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January 28, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-033

Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

Comments

Posted by: turd | Jan 29 2024 1:30 utc | 99
You know I couldn’t be fucked continuing this conversation. I’ve made contributions to this site for years and many (though not all) find them useful contributions. I’ve made no secret about the position from which I speak: I teach Ancient Greek and Greek history. I made it known only to put my comments in context. I’ve never once claimed that position entitles what I say to be more valid than anyone else. I simply made the mistake of suggesting to Mark2 that improving the form of his posts might improve the reception of his content. It triggered an avalanche of hate. I love all the trad posters on this site, and I even like Gruff’s posts though he feels the license to attack me with such ferocity (I must have hit a nerve, sorry) and Canuck with his Kierkegaard and Nietzsche (humanities snob!!). So fuck it, I don’t need the grief. Adios.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 29 2024 1:40 utc | 101

Good point. Makes me feel dull-witted for not thinking of it first.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 28 2024 19:37 utc | 36
Now that’s exactly why enjoy the bar at MoA, 90% enlightenment, 10% bickering, the reverse of all other social media, (save the recent grammar idiocy that drives me nuts. Just shutup already)!

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jan 29 2024 1:41 utc | 102

Patroklos | Jan 29 2024 0:03 utc | 90
I didn’t realise it at the time, but it was a good community where I grew up. Small farming community – very wide range of Europeans who emigrated after WWII. Family next door was Polish. One son a bit older than me still runs the farm there. A very outgoing type.
I left the area at seventeen and ended up working my way across the north taking on whatever job was going. I returned for a bit a year or eighteen months later and went out the the farm for new years eve. He asked me what I had been doing so I tell him the jobs I’d and he said – ah, a shitkicker. I thought about it a bit and thought yeah, that’s correct.
For whatever reason most of my formal schooling stopped around year seven eight.
The vast majority of those with qualifications and so forth are locked within the box of that education. Ask them a question they don’t know the answer to and they say you won’t understand or similar crap.
Then there are those tiny few that use their education as a foundation to look further rather than a boundary they must stay within. Ex-spurts and experts.
So many times, from all trades and professions I have run into that. Absolute dumbfucks. Qualified dumbfucks. Group thinkers. Those that are not stand out like cut gems in a gravel bed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 29 2024 1:44 utc | 103

Those US troops at Al Tanf are there to act as a sacrificial lamb, so the neo con’s can justify a much wider ME war, and aid Israel directly by bombing Iran (Israel does not have the long range capacity to hit the Iranian targets they desire). Both Syria and Iraq have demanded that all US bases be closed and evacuated, in fact DJT ordered all such bases closed, and then his order was ignored by General Mark Milley and SDOD Esper, two died in the wool neo con deep state operatives.
Attacking Iran is no cakewalk, they have a beefed up ADS, with multiple coverages of all vital facilities with S300 and S400 systems………..and they can hit Hormuz chokepoints at any time with cruise and ballistic missle fire……Lyndsay Graham needs to be careful what he wishes for……..expect many lost aircraft and captured pilots……

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jan 29 2024 1:45 utc | 104

Acco Hengst | Jan 29 2024 1:28 utc | 98
Ever heard of the school of life?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 29 2024 1:51 utc | 105

“I teach Classics and students fail it frequently…”
Attendance failures, right? Because you’re boring and they stop coming to class. The important point is that failing your class has no impact on any other classes students might choose to entertain themselves with. Nothing they might learn in your classes has any significance. It is disposable… entertainment.
If kids fail my classes, on the other hand, then they don’t become engineers or hard scientists. Then they have to take your classes and become journalists or business majors… you know, the university equivalent of Special Education.
“Steer clear of bullies who want to shut you down.”
Oh, you mean Classics majors who are certain that men can give birth and women can have penises? Freaks who wail they feel threatened if anyone doesn’t actively support their delusions? Don’t worry, those kind cannot handle real education and stay well away from math and engineering programs.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 29 2024 1:56 utc | 106

I had several non-engineering professors in college that I still remember and appreciate for helping me open my mind to things and ways of thought. Would never have read the book “Atlas Shrugged” if some wannabe libertarian right wing literature prof didn’t put it on the syllabus.
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year* old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”
* I’d never even heard of it when I was 14. Wish I’d gotten it over with then.
But also philosophy; likely wouldn’t have had a reason or inclination to read much Tolstoy (Philosophy of Art) or other similar stuff.
And linguistics, history, etc.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 29 2024 1:56 utc | 107

Wouldn’t an attack on Iran shut down the Persian Gulf? Or at least hinder oil supplies?

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jan 29 2024 1:58 utc | 108

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 29 2024 1:44 utc | 103
Just for the record: I spent 16 years (1994-2010) as a contract academic which meant I had no job between semesters, i.e. a third of the year (all July, and all Dec-Feb). Since you’re from Australia like me you’ll know what an RSL is. I worked in one alongside my academic job for that same period. I worked in the gaming side of the club starting at 5am to clear pokies and working the floor till 2pm. They were great when uni started and rostered me around my teaching. I made long-lasting friends there who never knew about my other job. So anyone here who thinks they can just pigeonhole me as a boxed-in professor is just wrong. I worked in ‘clubland’ and had a great time, met great people. I didn’t get tenure till I was 46. The assumptions people make here are just full of shit.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 29 2024 2:01 utc | 109

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 29 2024 1:56 utc | 106
Unfortunately with the way tenure and professorships go in the USA for the last 30 years, everything being homogenized and corporatized, journalism school is only good for getting a job at USA Today or if you’re “lucky” a gig at one of the establishment “legacy” media rags like NYT or WaPo. Or of course just generating “content” to drive page views and view time for ads. Prior to the mid-90s you could still get a really good start into investigative journalism and critical thinking; now it’s all pro-Empire bullshit and “networking opportunities” as far as I’ve been told.
And it should be noted that there isn’t a single school of business that even mentions Marxist economic theory.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 29 2024 2:01 utc | 110

Those texted words are/were perfectly composed. My heart was seriously impacted.
Posted by: Darkness | Jan 28 2024 22:10 utc | 66

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jan 29 2024 2:03 utc | 111

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 29 2024 1:56 utc | 106
Mate, we get it. Hard science is real. You teach it, therefore you’re real. A real piece of work.
Classicists are also about the most unwoke people you’ll ever meet. But I can see arguing with you is futile.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 29 2024 2:05 utc | 112

Attacking Iran is no cakewalk, they have a beefed up ADS, with multiple coverages of all vital facilities with S300 and S400 systems
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jan 29 2024 1:45 utc | 104
The biggest problems with attacking (perhaps even destroying!) Iran is that it would swing the global dynamic wildly in a direction the US would have no control over whatsoever:
– Iran exerts a moderating influence over resistance groups all over the middle east, including it’s own internal military factions that would run wild once the leash of the Ayatollah is removed (Basij, factions of the IRGC). The US would see a sudden flare up as these groups start attacking with no restraint.
– World Powers like China and Russia would immediately feel threatened and begin to make drastic military-political moves in central Asia. Russia because the Americans would now have a direct corridor to funnel ISIS and other extremists backed by U.S forces and their PKK terrorist buddies right into the vulnerable underbelly of the Russian Federation. China, for pretty much the same reasons – ISIS in Afghanistan would now have all the backing to funnel terror into Xinjiang down the Wakan corridor.
– The control of Iranian oil by the west would seriously dent OPEC+’s capability to influence the global energy markets. It’s in the interest of the Cartel to make sure Iran prevails for only this reason.
Basically, both China and Russia would see Iran as too big to fail even with the remote possibility that the Iranian Armed forces were not able to prevail against the West.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 2:07 utc | 113

Can we get back to discussing the ongoing genocide, resistance efforts, and potential start to a major war in the Middle East?
Just to be clear, I love hearing from academics and shitkickers that bring the insights and discussions and questions that make this site great!

Posted by: mtw | Jan 29 2024 2:10 utc | 114

Posted by: mtw | Jan 29 2024 2:10 utc | 114
What about shitkicking academics? Sorry, couldn’t resist, but they do exist.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 29 2024 2:13 utc | 115

Tom_Q_Collins @107
Believe it or not, I completely agree. People should be well read, and sadly most won’t bother unless someone is holding their hand. I also think it can be a lot of fun discussing such monsters of literature as L Ron Hubbard’s “Atlas Shrugged”… or was it Ayn Rand’s “Battlefield Earth”? I always mix up those religious texts. Anyway, that stuff is a lot of fun, but actually getting college credits for it? I dunno…

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 29 2024 2:15 utc | 116

but actually getting college credits for it? I dunno…
Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 29 2024 2:15 utc | 116
I suppose if one looks at it from the other perspective it’d be “…but being made to pay for the credit hours when I’m trying to get an engineering degree?”
Either way, I agree and think of it as a break from the rigors and often boring monotony of pure STEM classes. Mine was a state school, so I’m not sure if the private ones only make STEM majors take those classes to keep the money flowing and justify humanities budgets/jobs, but clearly someone in the engineering department saw the benefit of subjecting us to those courses. You are correct that most Americans, including those in STEM school, rarely open a book and read it unless they’re forced to, much less spend any time analyzing them unless their hands are being held. Ever tried to have a conversation about anything but “tech” with most engineers? It gets awkward quickly. LOL

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 29 2024 2:22 utc | 117

William can it
Many of us have had professors who have had a large impact on our lives. I had 2. One who totally freed me from the current mode of learning art. The class was doing portraits in a way like Chuck Close, the works came out perfect they were self portraits. The professor then had us trade with someone else eras it and draw our own portrait on top of the erased one. The result was 1/3 of the class left and the rest of us learned that change is good and necessary . This professor also introduced me to Leon Golub. Who showed the world who and what the US wars were. My other amazing professor was a nun who after almost flunking modern art survey taught me to love art history. Taught me that sitting in a dark room looking at slides then being tested on those slides ,was not art history. She walked us through the lives of artists then expected us to walk her through our own favorite artists I received A s in her classes!
Are their corporate owned schools and professors? Of course these people tend to be in a lot of places not just education and not all professors are like that.

Posted by: Susan | Jan 29 2024 2:23 utc | 118

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Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 29 2024 2:27 utc | 119

Tom_Q_Collins@100….nah, they’re just pissin’ up wind….do mind where you step.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 29 2024 2:28 utc | 120

Patroklos | Jan 29 2024 2:01 utc | 109
I don’t make assumptions about you nor pigeonhole you. You are in the same group of us here who do not blame the victims/targets of choice of the ’empire of lies’ for being that.
But take a look at a complete society. People from all walks of life. This goes back to the disagreement we had a few years back, culture as related to fine arts and culture as related to a people.
The sudden change in rock art at that site in the Kimberly’s is interesting. A sudden change from fine art to rough daubed art. When time got tough, in a time of great turbulence, culture as related to fine arts did not survive whereas culture as in the culture of a people did.
Fine arts are good but superfluous to survival.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 29 2024 2:29 utc | 121

William Gruff 96
Patroklus 97
Can we agree that education in the modern world involves the use and examination of language so that it is a tool of critical thinking? Like the use of any tool or instrument, it must be challenged and practiced—like learning to play the piano, or learning a foreign language.
A discussion of rhetorical manipulation certainly is facilitated by an understanding of rhetorical terms.
It is just more efficient to know special terms.
How would you recognize, not to mention explain, gaslighting if we didn’t have a term for that?
How do you recognize and call out straw-man arguments if you don’t have a name for that? Knowing what a straw-man argument is helps one recognize one.
The fault lies not with education per se if it is poorly done, or if educational settings or pedagogical approaches are subverted for superficial goals (such as getting by with a passing C).
There are a couple of commenters here who vacillate between stream-of-thought incoherent jumbles of ideas and very clearly presented points. It is weird. I wonder whether this commenter is high half of the time.
I would skip most of his stuff until I read a very clear comment and realized it was from the jumbled guy. Got his act together, I guess.
Clear language is fundamental to clear argumentation.
Nathanial Philbrick’s book Valiant Ambition includes many excerpts of Washington’s letters. Boy, could he write, clearly and expressively. All of the Founders could write clearly and often brilliantly. They could observe and analyze and deploy the language to describe and explain complicated situations.
Even set up a government.
They were educated, no doubt about that.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 29 2024 2:31 utc | 122

Posted by: Jane | Jan 29 2024 2:31 utc | 122
Posted by: Susan | Jan 29 2024 2:23 utc | 118
Agreed. Apologies to all. Great site, I listen to everyone, always learn a lot (especially shitkickers 😉).

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 29 2024 2:37 utc | 123

Jane | Jan 29 2024 2:31 utc | 122 “Can we agree that education in the modern world involves the use and examination of language so that it is a tool of critical thinking?”
Language is communication. Critical thinking is altogether another arena. Each can exist without the other.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 29 2024 2:38 utc | 124

I accidentally posted before in the wrong thread . There’s been reporting that an Australian flagged ship carrying 2 million litres of diesel was captured by Iran last few hours
https://twitter.com/CadeLussenden/status/1751626642609389733?t=iCp53dWr6s0eTNi8Jlxc3w&s=19
And here
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/20/iranian-guards-say-they-have-seized-foreign-ship-smuggling-diesel
With no mention of where it was headed or came from

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 29 2024 2:39 utc | 125

True. I will avoid get cranky will bad spelling too.
It does remind me of an old gag:
“Spike Milligna, the well-known typing error”.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 29 2024 2:40 utc | 126

Tom @ 110
” journalism school is only good for getting a job at USA Today or if you’re “lucky” a gig at one of the establishment “legacy” media rags like NYT or WaPo.”
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People didn’t used to go to “journalism school” to become journalists.
They just did it.
Got out on the street and wrote about it.
Fast.
Rookie reporters. Shoe leather. No iPhones.
File stories from the world’s hot spots into the head office via Telex or something.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 29 2024 2:40 utc | 127

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ZH has a posting up with the title
Congressional Hawks Urge ‘Hit Iran Hard’ After 3 US Troops Killed By Tehran-Aligned Militants
It is fascinating in that they keep saying all the “In Jordan” and the “Its Iran” things but the map and quoted facts keep contradicting their spiel…..LOL!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 29 2024 2:41 utc | 128

Posted by: Jane | Jan 29 2024 2:40 utc | 127
Makes me think of Michael Herr’s Dispatches (also mentioned a few weeks back by Scorpion I think).

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 29 2024 2:42 utc | 129

2024 is a year that has a serious nuclear prescient. Those who spent time studying and transliterating the ancient clay tablet records, which were buried under sand in Mesopotamia for approximately 4000 years, have detailed the destruction of five cities including Sodom and Gomorrah. An instant obliteration. Nuclear residue (U237) has been identified in the region and all pottery remains turned to glass from the heat. A “pillar of salt” is transliterated to a pillar of vapour as salt was recovered by vapourizing the water. This has been clearly date constructed through all historical manuscripts to a specific date, 2024 BC.
The Judaic people are all biblical. So is Catholicism, whos Pope Gregory modified the calendar so today we find ourselves in 2024 AD.
And to further elucidate on the impending political struggle, and the seriousness of the consequences, is the processional shift/change. in 2024BC we left the age of Taurus (note Moses first smashed the Bull when he returned with his tablets) entering the age of the Ram/Aries. 2000 years later we began the Jesus cult with him feeding the masses with two fish and a loaf of bread. The clear sign of Pisces, twin fish and a shaft of wheat.
2000 plus years later we end that cult and enter Aquarius.
As difficult and outrageous our obviously superior intellect and civilization appears to be in our cognitive dissonant conceited lives, it’s difficult to argue with 4000 year old documents recorded in a language no one could read until the discover of the Rosetta Stone by Napoleons men.
I despise the atrocities humanity performs in the name of their own particular God, Enlil or Enki offspring, but we do it. Troy was not some myth.
So grab your popcorn and enjoy the show. The power struggle is at a much higher level than Israel/USA etc vs China/Russia/Iran etc, its the Enki families turn to rule and they’ll have it. The Enlil side tried to hang onto the Bull era by resorting to nukes in 2024BC. Hopefully they don’t pull that desperate trick again.
Personally I’m disgusted to be Canadian witnessing our governments failure to protect the innocent people everywhere, and supplying the weaponry used to terrorize worldwide.
The “Gods” were pissed at the use of nukes, and when they did use them they backfired, winds carried the fallout over themselves. Enki got his Babylon rule as Marduk. The next transition, (Aries to Pisces) though not peaceful, wasn’t nuclear enhanced. Hopefully they/we learned. Lol

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jan 29 2024 2:59 utc | 130

Where’s robinthehood by the way? I’d have assumed at the mention of Iran he’d be all over this forum like a fat kid on a cupcake …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 3:07 utc | 131

ten years and I rarely missed reading a thread.
Garbage now
how sad

Posted by: ld | Jan 29 2024 3:08 utc | 132

Language is communication. Critical thinking is altogether another arena. Each can exist without the other.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 29 2024 2:38 utc | 124
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Well, this is some kind of truism that doesn’t actually seem relevant to the theme of education.
One point of which, I posited, is to develop critical thinking. j
Not via “flowery language” but via the acquisition of a vocabulary for concepts that support and enable the faculty of critical thinking.
I certainly am advocate of genuine education, but there is always the “smart but stupid” problem.
Of which we are currently witnessing a hell of a lot.
But I am a late-comer to this OT discussion.
So I’ll shut up.
P.S. Some people are just smarter than others.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 29 2024 3:10 utc | 133

130 merv a meteorite can explain the same scenario. Even the background radiation. One of the mysteries of magic , is that it only works if you believe it, one form being witch doctor magic where they say your gods must be more powerful to negate mine, or card tricks where one only has to look to see the switch.

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 29 2024 3:14 utc | 134

P.S. Some people are just smarter than others.
Posted by: Jane | Jan 29 2024 3:10 utc | 133
Some people have better communication skills than others. For an instructor, a teacher, communication skills is amongst others critical.
I don’t see a sign on the door of b’s bar a sign up saying this is a gentlemans bar nor a sign saying this space is reserved for the fine arts.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 29 2024 3:17 utc | 135

Hankster, yes, when cognitive dissonance rules with greater authority than 4000 year old records written on stone, of course one can come up with magical fantasies such as a meteor without evidence. I wonder if we can discuss intelligence and knowledge rather than grammar. Perhaps not. I love the bar as 1d states, and I know this is a bit of a diversionary thought bubble, yet if one considers 4000 yr old records as facts to debate the cause of today’s events, one might see I’m right on topic.

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jan 29 2024 3:26 utc | 136

Merv Ritchie | Jan 29 2024 3:26 utc | 136
Are you in the market for tin foil hats? Perhaps CIA ray resistant sheets pillow cases and nappies?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 29 2024 3:34 utc | 137

A thought:
The destabilisation of Jordan works to the benefit of the Palestinian Resistance as it will disrupt the matrix of control held by the Western Satrapy run by King Abdullah over the majority Palestinian population of that regime.
Could it be that this attack on a U.S base in Jordan (if indeed it is in Jordan) could be the start of an attempt to draw Jordan into the maelstrom of Resistance?
If the Jordanian regime’ decides to view this attack on it’s soil as an attack on it’s sovereignty requiring a kinetic or political response (perhaps egged on by the Americans) it could lead to a destabilising series of tit-for-tat actions directly involving Jordan in the escalating conflict between the Empire and the Resistance.
(Yes, I am aware of the uncertainty around whether this strike took place in Syria, Jordan or along the border of both …)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 3:37 utc | 138

Peter AU1, you’re better than that. Insults like these are commonplace on Facebook. I accept understanding these issues are difficult. Rather than insulting maybe do some research like reading up in the Enuma Elish, and extensive deciphered clay tablet record. There are tens of thousands.
The reason they are not discussed widely is because they put the lie to Judaism and Catholicism. As was previously discussed, “ the true Judaic homeland”. All this is relevant.
It is just so damn difficult to accept. It’s all about resource control and the security of the gold. The oldest mined substance. Since long before Sumer. I strive to find the source, not the theatre of distraction.

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jan 29 2024 3:44 utc | 139

People didn’t used to go to “journalism school” to become journalists.
They just did it.
Got out on the street and wrote about it.
Fast.
Posted by: Jane | Jan 29 2024 2:40 utc | 127
But if they don’t have a degree in journalism, how can we be sure they have been adequately indoctrinated?

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 29 2024 3:52 utc | 140

Merv Ritchie | Jan 29 2024 3:44 utc | 139 “Peter AU1, you’re better than that.”

“An instant obliteration. Nuclear residue (U237) has been identified in the region…”
“And to further elucidate on the impending political struggle, and the seriousness of the consequences, is the processional shift/change. in 2024BC we left the age of Taurus (note Moses first smashed the Bull when he returned with his tablets) entering the age of the Ram/Aries. 2000 years later we began the Jesus cult with him feeding the masses with two fish and a loaf of bread. The clear sign of Pisces, twin fish and a shaft of wheat.”
“The “Gods” were pissed at the use of nukes, and when they did use them they backfired, winds carried the fallout over themselves. Enki got his Babylon rule as Marduk. The next transition, (Aries to Pisces) though not peaceful, wasn’t nuclear enhanced. Hopefully they/we learned. Lol”
2000 plus years later we end that cult and enter Aquarius.”

What to say…

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 29 2024 3:56 utc | 141

@ ld | Jan 29 2024 3:08 utc | 132
the threads are much harder to follow now.. i don’t try… too many people here now.
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does anyone know where this spot is that the usa is claiming the drone hit?? i can’t find it on a map..
…”a military base known as Tower 22 in northeastern Jordan”

Posted by: james | Jan 29 2024 3:58 utc | 142

this place isn’t far away.. i figured they would have hit this place………..
Al-Tanf is a U.S. military base in an American occupied part of the Homs Governorate, Syria. It is located 24km west of the al-Walid border crossing in the Syrian Desert. The surrounding deconfliction zone is located along the Iraq–Syria border and the Jordan–Syria border.

Posted by: james | Jan 29 2024 4:00 utc | 143

At Tanf ISIS training and supply center.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@33.4815632,38.6413931,17089m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu
US recruitment center and raw material resource here.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@33.3178946,38.675684,4280m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 29 2024 4:07 utc | 144

Israeli military and intelligence officials have concluded that a significant number of weapons used by Hamas in the Oct. 7 attacks and in the war in Gaza came from an unlikely source: the Israeli military. (New York Times)

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 29 2024 4:12 utc | 145

@ Peter AU1 | Jan 29 2024 4:07 utc | 144
thanks peter… rukban appears to be the name on the name.. it is very close to the syrian border.. i suspect it works in collaboration with the al tanf site..
@ Jonathan W | Jan 29 2024 4:12 utc | 145
interesting conclusion!

Posted by: james | Jan 29 2024 4:16 utc | 146

name – map.. about the conclusion… some of those who the hannibal doctrine put into practice with israelis killing israelis..

Posted by: james | Jan 29 2024 4:17 utc | 147

Peter AU1 “wow, his grammar and punctuation was pretty good actually!”
There are two sides to this conflict. Always two sides. Interesting eh? Been going on for thousands of years. Wave your personal flag of choice and join in, or drop the flags of patriotism and educate in peace and harmony. If I could I’d order my Canadian government to stop supply weaponry to all the “Allied” inspired conflict areas, Israel, Trudeaus greatest pal.
But the best I can do is find intelligent people to share thoughts with.

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jan 29 2024 4:17 utc | 148

who – were…. geez, i need to look at what i write before i post..

Posted by: james | Jan 29 2024 4:18 utc | 149

@ merv – just wait til that loser con gets in power…………. canucks are tired of trudeau and will definitely vote this loser in..
“Poilievre calls UNRWA ‘terrorist’ organization, after Canada pauses funding following allegations

Posted by: james | Jan 29 2024 4:19 utc | 150

here is simplicius talking about it.. with map inside..
SITREP 1/28/24: US Troops Suffer Fatalities in Strikes as Escalation Grows

Posted by: james | Jan 29 2024 4:22 utc | 151

simplicius – exactly..
“It’s understandable how things could get so confusing, what with so many illegal American bases strewn about like candy wrappers, and all. But in reality, this is likely an attempt to downplay and conceal US’ al-Tanf activity and give the appearance of legality by misdirecting everyone to the Jordanian base which US actually has legal permission to be in—unlike al-Tanf.”
divert and obfuscate..

Posted by: james | Jan 29 2024 4:24 utc | 152

James, yes, what a piece of work. Claims he isn’t a WEF member yet we have the documents. These “leaders” are in their respective positions due to the ability to control their mouth, through threats or even better, ego.
I’ve been watching and studying this show since I sat with former PM John Diefenbaker as a child in 1967 Saskatoon. No western politician acts on his own. Likely no eastern, southern or northern either.
Polliver is just another puffed up smidgeon of blowfish shit.

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jan 29 2024 4:26 utc | 153

Posted by: ld | Jan 29 2024 3:08 utc | 132
Yeah, I’m partly to blame for this one going off the rails. Mea culpa.
I promise I’ll offer something constructive next.
In the meantime, if waynorinnorway is reading:
They say it’s a virtue to spell:
and ‘shitkicker’ should not have an L
But in the case of old Gruff
I’ll just spell in the rough
Shitlicker goes well with the smell.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 29 2024 4:34 utc | 154

Thanks so much thecelticwithinme at 15 for the link to the Consortium News discussion of the Court (my son says there are a host of coyotes outside tonight – haven’t heard them in a while) I will save that to follow in the morning.
Some lively comments here – I’m gonna grab one and head over to the Open Forum.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 29 2024 4:35 utc | 155

Israeli military and intelligence officials have concluded that a significant number of weapons used by Hamas in the Oct. 7 attacks and in the war in Gaza came from an unlikely source: the Israeli military. (New York Times)
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 29 2024 4:12 utc | 145
Just a few days ago they were accusing China for supplying the bulk of Hamas weapons.
Then again, too many weasel words, the kind of weasel words the Zionists use to deflect and obfuscate:
– “unlikely source” … why would the IDF be an unlikely source? They’re the closest in proximity to Gaza!
– “significant number” … what, to them is “significant”? Ten Galils?
Remember: The Zionists are always lying, even when they are telling the truth.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 4:39 utc | 156

Garbage now
how sad
Posted by: ld | Jan 29 2024 3:08 utc | 132
The world has become a crappier place since you started reading.
Expect the threads to reflect that …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 4:41 utc | 157

@ Merv Ritchie | Jan 29 2024 4:26 utc | 153
we must be a similar age…

Posted by: james | Jan 29 2024 4:45 utc | 158

The destabilisation of Jordan works to the benefit of the Palestinian Resistance as it will disrupt the matrix of control held by the Western Satrapy run by King Abdullah over the majority Palestinian population of that regime.
. . .
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 3:37 utc | 138
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I don’t know much about Jordan, but could it be relevant to something that Queen Rania is of Palestinian heritage? I heard the address she gave maybe a couple of months ago, a plea for mercy and help for the Palestinians in Gaza. She identified herself as Palestinian. She sounded and looked like a very effective advocate for Palestinians. I was impressed.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 29 2024 5:11 utc | 159

The veil is being torn: the hidden truths of Jabotinsky and Netanyahu
by Thierry Meyssan
…From 1955 to 1965, Yitzhak Shamir headed a department of Mossad, the foreign secret service of the new state. Without informing his superiors, he organized the secret police of the Shah of Iran, the Savak. Some two hundred of his men came to teach torture alongside former Nazis [2].

Then, in 1979, while negotiating the Camp David Accords with Egypt, he moved the men he had sent to Iran to the Congo. Probably with the support of the US CIA, they now supervised Mobotu Sese Seko’s secret police. He went there to check them out.
As part of the Cold War, Yitzhak Shamir also helped the Taiwanese dictatorship [3].
This time, unbeknownst to the United States, he set up a terrorist group in New York, Rabbi Meir Kahane’s Jewish Defense League [4]. He supervised a campaign for the emigration of Soviet Jews to Israel, attacks on the Soviet delegation to the UN and, finally, on the legation of the Palestine Liberation Organization.
He forged alliances with South Africa [5]. He took part in the creation of “Bantustans”, false African states that enabled South Africa to treat its black population not as nationals, but as emigrants; a model that “revisionist Zionists” would later apply to the Palestinians.
In this vein, he had Israel finance the research of President Pieter Botha’s personal physician, Dr. Wouter Basson. Basson, at the head of 200 scientists, intended to create diseases that would affect only blacks and Arabs (Project Coast [6]) [7].
One crime leading to another, he also supported Rhodesia [8] and the fight against the independence of the Portuguese colonies of Mozambique and Angola.
In Guatemala, Yitzhak Shamir became close to the dictatorship of General Rios Montt. He not only supplied him with weapons, but also supervised his secret police. He set up a computer institute to monitor water and electricity consumption, enabling him to detect and locate clandestine activities. He organized the Mayan population into kibbutzim so as to make them work and keep an eye on them without having to carry out agrarian reform. Thus protected, Rios Montt murdered 250,000 people. [9]; a model that revisionist Zionists wish to apply to the Palestinians. Relations between Israel and the United States regarding the Guatemalan experiment were channeled through the Straussian Elliott Abrams.
Throughout the Cold War, the “revisionist Zionists” did not act in the interests of the Western camp; they used the opportunities presented to them to do what Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky had always done: exercise power by force with no regard for anyone.
At the end of the Cold War, President Bush Sr. convened the Madrid Conference to finally resolve the Israeli-Palestinian question. During the conference, the Israeli delegation, chaired by Yitzhak Shamir, now Prime Minister, demanded the repeal of UN General Assembly resolution 3379 [10] before any further discussions could take place. This states that “Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination”. “With an open heart, we call on Arab leaders to take the courageous step and respond to our outstretched hand in peace”, declaims Shamir, grandiloquently. Anxious to reach an agreement, the General Assembly complied. But, deceiving its interlocutors, Israel made no commitments and even did everything in its power to defeat George H. Bush’s bid for a second term.
Before concluding, I’d like to say a few words about today’s personalities…
This brief historical summary shows us that there is no Arab-Israeli problem any more than there is a Ukrainian-Russian problem, but a huge problem of all of us with an ideology which, in different places and times, has done nothing but sow suffering and death. We must open our eyes and no longer accept to mobilize with false-flag actions and other lies.
“>https://www.voltairenet.org/article220334.html

Posted by: suzan | Jan 29 2024 5:15 utc | 160

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 29 2024 2:15 utc | 116
You couldn’t pay me to read Ron Hubbard or Battlefield Earth.
Your recommendation of these pieces of “literature” perhaps explains why you chose to be an engineer!

Posted by: Jane | Jan 29 2024 5:17 utc | 161

@ Patroklos | Jan 29 2024 1:40 utc | 101
patroklos… just seeing your post now.. i admire and respect you as a poster here at moa.. you are smart, knowledgeable and informative.. please stick around.. thanks..
@ suzan | Jan 29 2024 5:15 utc | 160
thanks.. very informative quote!

Posted by: james | Jan 29 2024 5:30 utc | 162

@ William Gruff | Jan 29 2024 1:14 utc | 96
hey william.. no one is perfect, but that is one bullshit post from you.. even if you think it is warranted…

Posted by: james | Jan 29 2024 5:33 utc | 163

….. Israeli military and intelligence officials have concluded that a significant number of weapons used by Hamas in the war in Gaza came from an unlikely source: the Israeli military. (New York Times)
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 29 2024 4:12 utc……
No shit Sherlock : given the deep divides within Israeli society, the open corruption of the Likud – it’s a given that IDF supply Sargents as well as others in the supply chain make a few bucks on the side selling weapons to Al-Qassem.

Posted by: Exile | Jan 29 2024 5:38 utc | 164

What Pepe Escobar ‘s cynicism overlooks is that what’s good for the goose is also good for the gander . If there were no Palestinians now , there would be no restraint on khinzaling Israel. The Amelek- killers find the modern world of international law annoying, but the law takes no notice of what criminals like or don’t like.
It will find a way to eradicate Israel if Israel continues to genocide Palestinians.
The ICJ was merely a warning shot.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 29 2024 5:39 utc | 165

patroklos – stay my friend

Posted by: Exile | Jan 29 2024 5:42 utc | 166

Posted by: Exile | Jan 29 2024 5:38 utc | 164
The point is: UNRWA gets the blame

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 29 2024 6:01 utc | 167

Exile 164
But, but Israel is the only democracy in the ME, governed independently and not subjected to any external pressures or influence.
Alistair Crooke has told , had he not , that Liberal American Jews are pitched against darker-skinned Mizeratis. How could the light of Liberal ism that shines so brightly suddenly go so dark?
The change is external to Israel, as the West turns Fascist against the collective wisdoms of Socialism, Islam and China. This is the USUK genocide with Israeli monkeys in the Israeli war cabinet obeying orders from USUK.
It cannot be dissident IDF selling arms to Hamas, but rather Biden’s neocons itching for world war. The ones who created Covid and biolabs. The ones whose Five Eye, 5G, lust for control over all human existence can tolerate neither Liberalism nor Judaism nor Christianity nor any other brand of ethic ever to exist.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 29 2024 6:04 utc | 168

Whoa. I was looking for the MOA bar and accidentally wandered into a royal divorsion goan on in The Molotov Cocktail Lounge!
Less heat more light tomorrow maybe?
Hope everyone returns feeling more at peace and at ease.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 29 2024 6:10 utc | 169

The madman has armed the goldfish because his projected rage can no.longer tolerate the goldfish’s diffidence.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 29 2024 6:15 utc | 170

She identified herself as Palestinian. She sounded and looked like a very effective advocate for Palestinians. I was impressed.
Posted by: Jane | Jan 29 2024 5:11 utc | 159
The sad truth of a queen is that, with few exceptions, she is merely the highest paid courtesan in the king’s court.
Pretty and polite, she wraps the diplomatic velvet glove over the brutal iron fist of monarchy.
She is, in fact, merely one of many palliatives for the suffering of the Palestinians in the Jordanian refugee camps sustaining the illusion they somehow have the ear of monarchy …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 6:32 utc | 171

/cheep cheep
Palestine Thread needs more Palestine and more Kumbaya. Take it outside, boys.
/warble warble

Posted by: titmouse | Jan 29 2024 6:43 utc | 172

Posted by: Jane | Jan 29 2024 5:17 utc | 161
FWIW it was a joke mixing up Rand w Hubbard and both are viewed as religious figures in the USA.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 29 2024 6:50 utc | 173

Here from Middle East Eye (“Live: Tensions flare as U.S. troops attacked near Jordan-Syria border”) is today’s result on negotiation for a possible Hamas/Israel temporary ceasefire-prisoner-exchange deal:
“Talks initiated by Qatar, the United States and Egypt to broker a deal between Israel and Hamas were “constructive” but meaningful gaps remain, a statement from the Israeli prime minister’s office said.”
Almayadeen.net had reported on this deal on Jan. 25: “Israeli Channel 12:The war cabinet is discussing Hamas’ proposal for the exchange deal.
” ‘Israel’ considers the meeting crucial to unify the path of Qatari and Egyptian mediation in order to exert joint pressure on Hamas
“The director of the CIA, the head of the Qatari government, the head of Egyptian intelligence, the head of the Mossad, and the head of the Shin Bet will meet in Europe.
“Hamas’ proposal includes ceasefire periods between stages extending for approximately two months.
“ Hamas’ proposal includes a complete Israeli withdrawal from the Strip and a complete ceasefire.
“Hamas’ proposal involves a humanitarian release ratio of 100 prisoners for each captive.
“Hamas’ proposal includes ceasefire periods between stages extending for approximately two months.
“Hamas’ proposal for the exchange deal includes a ceasefire ranging from 10 to 14 days before the release of the captives.
“Hamas’ proposal for the exchange deal includes a ceasefire ranging from 10 to 14 days before the release of the captive.”
I still think that Hamas is NOT dealing from weakness, but maybe this deal is simply dead.

Posted by: Lavieja | Jan 29 2024 6:52 utc | 174

Karlof1 61. Business as usual for China. They can trade with the ROW, but that’s all they do. China doesn’t seem to have any other goal at this point in time.

Posted by: Lavieja | Jan 29 2024 7:05 utc | 175

Do any flies or fleas have predictions as to how the Western forces will respond to the Al Tanf outrage?
Any ideas of timrframe?

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 29 2024 7:12 utc | 176

72 Lathe Biosas. “unmanned officials” — maybe they are AI’ers in R2d2 bodies.

Posted by: Lavieja | Jan 29 2024 7:26 utc | 177

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 29 2024 7:12 utc | 176
Do any flies or fleas have predictions as to how the Western forces will respond to the Al Tanf outrage?
Any ideas of timrframe?
outrage, about what, what kind of buffoon are you ,they been occupying and terrorizing the whole region, their presence is a total outrage time to get the f out.

Posted by: Grishka | Jan 29 2024 7:38 utc | 178

US navy logistics ship LEWIS B PULLER has been hit by a missile in the gulf of Aden. It is supposed to give support to US navy ships. Other claims say it is crewed by navy SEALs and delivering weapons to Israel.
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1751862917832532266

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 29 2024 7:43 utc | 179

Dick measuring contest thread, I see.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 29 2024 1:36 utc | 100
Minus actual dicks.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 7:43 utc | 180

Any ideas of timrframe?
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 29 2024 7:12 utc | 176
24 – 48 hours. The American attention span doesn’t stretch beyond one or two news cycles.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 7:48 utc | 181

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 29 2024 7:43 utc | 179
‘We’re a powerful resistance movement now, and when we act, we create a new challenge in the Red Sea. And while you’re preoccupied with that challenge —judiciously, as you will—we’ll hit more ships again, creating other new challenges, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study the strikes we do’
— Ansarhalla, East Asia Office

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 7:56 utc | 182

Posted by: Grishka | Jan 29 2024 7:38 utc | 178
I’m a very sarcastic (at times) buffoon, so agree totally with your take on my post. In reality I’m outraged that the interlopers are there at all. Hope the SAA and RF expel the whole crew with extreme prejudice.
outrage, about what, what kind of buffoon are you ,they been occupying and terrorizing the whole region, their presence is a total outrage time to get the f out.
Posted by: Grishka | Jan 29 2024 7:38 utc | 178

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 29 2024 7:58 utc | 183

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 7:48 utc | 181
Thanks. You are probably correct, but I won’t hold you to that estimate.But
24 – 48 hours. The American attention span doesn’t stretch beyond one or two news cycles.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 29 2024 8:04 utc | 184

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 7:56 utc | 182
Apparently this ship was also involved in operating the SEALs to inspect fishing boats off Yemen. I guess they won’t be there anymore for a while, maybe clearing the path for more stuff going to Yemen.
Of course, US navy might simply start randomly sinking ships, marking its transition to a Somali pirate navy equivalent.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 29 2024 8:09 utc | 185

I still think that Hamas is NOT dealing from weakness, but maybe this deal is simply dead.
Posted by: Lavieja | Jan 29 2024 6:52 utc | 174
I don’t think Hamas is involved in this particular communication at all.
I think the u.s and Izzrael are doing what they usually do:
Negotiate amongst themselves towards some fantasy scenario they imagine would suit them and their opponent and then dump it on the table to be signed.
Only to be shocked and outraged when the deal is publicly and humiliatingly flipped off by the other side.
The last public communication from Hamas (Abu “The Djinn” Obaida) said nothing about a deal and everything about fighting until Gaza is liberated.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 8:13 utc | 186

asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل
@asadabukhalil
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2h
UN peacekeepers around Africa have been convicted of rape and sexual assault, and that did not prompt Western government to suspend donations to peacekeeping.
https://twitter.com/asadabukhalil/status/1751839049374196198

Posted by: Menz | Jan 29 2024 8:15 utc | 187

Of course, US navy might simply start randomly sinking ships, marking its transition to a Somali pirate navy equivalent.
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 29 2024 8:09 utc | 185
If they do they’ll be saving the Houthi some work and generating an even more fearsome reputation for them.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 8:18 utc | 188

Barrel Brown | Jan 29 2024 7:12 utc | 176
Larry Johnson has just put out a video. I assume it will be at Sonar21 but Matyanov has it up at his site.
Rather than just the usual suspects like Lindsay Graham, all are calling for war on Iran. Johnson believes US will launch a war on Iran.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 29 2024 8:21 utc | 189

Megatron
@Megatron_ron
BREAKING:
⚡ 🇯🇴 The government of Jordan:
“The attack that targeted American forces near the Syrian border did not occur inside Jordan”
This means that the attack is on an illegal US base in Syria, right on the border with Jordan.
https://twitter.com/Megatron_ron/status/1751655585731264750

Posted by: Menz | Jan 29 2024 8:22 utc | 190

UN peacekeepers around Africa have been convicted of rape and sexual assault,
Posted by: Menz | Jan 29 2024 8:15 utc | 187
Well noted. Not to mention Haiti and Bosnia.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 8:27 utc | 191

Larry Johnson’s latest video on the Jordan strike is not showing at his site but can be3 found here.
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2024/01/larrys-warning.html

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 29 2024 8:38 utc | 192

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 7:56 utc | 182
Haha who knew ansarallah can channel their inner Karl Rove.
Just need to add a bushism like … I’m not an apologize-for-Ansarallah kind of guy.”
Enjoy the glorious siege

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 29 2024 8:39 utc | 193

About 90% of the container ships sailing through the Red Sea have been forced to divert from the crucial trade route since mid-December, according to shipping services and data provider Clarksons. (Nikkei Asia)

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 29 2024 8:46 utc | 194

Nice to see this thread back on the rails.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 29 2024 9:10 utc | 195

james | Jan 29 2024 3:58 utc | 142
The Tower 22 is 600 meters from the frontier, inside Jordan. Political expediency is making the US push the minimal difference as this is supposed to “justify” UK and US air strikes FROM Jordan into Syria, as the planes will theoretically be “safer” from any drones from resistance members. (Flying from airfields further away)
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The main use of the Al-Tanf area is the production and training of (real) terrorists for use against the Syrians. There is a refugee camp, where the food etc is supplied – mainly on condition that those who will accept it, will also become terrorists in the desert area between Palmyra and Deir Ezzor. They are then trained by the US.
*****
UNWRA is also supporting at least 3 million refugees from the earlier Nakba. ie. for 75 years, who still find themselves in camps in neighbouring countries (Lebanon, Jordan, Syria). If they lose support, and hope of an eventual right of return, what is to stop them arming themselves with drones and other modern simple systems of warfare, and TAKING their possesions back? Do they now have any other alternative?
Blowback?

Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 29 2024 9:13 utc | 196

186 Arch Bungle. Around the time of the ICJ ruling this summit was initiated by Israel for 2 months’ ceasefire. “Israel considers this meeting crucial…”Not Blinken, but CIA director Burns in attendance for US. Hamas doesn’t attend. Hamas had said previously no more prisoner ( hostage) exchange without ceasefire. 2 months a small amount of time, but Hamas responds anyway, sending explicit non-negotiable requirements (through Qatar) that 100 to 1 prisoner exchange would be considered with a complete withdrawal of Israel from Gaza. Hamas also proposes from 10 to 14 days before prisoner exchange begins (making sure Israel out of the strip and no bombing imo – also imo, this withdrawal of Israel from the strip must be more beneficial to Hamas since Israel has to undertake all the re-positioning logistics. Regarding flow of weapons to Israel, this is happening whether or not there is a ceasefire (some hopefully interdicted by Houthis).
Israel has been reacting wildly to ICJ ruling – its Gaza real -estate projections, its attack on UNRWA, maybe its entertaining an embarrassing ratio of 100 Palestinian prisoners for 1 Israeli. Or is this not such a great achievement for Hamas, considering someone said Israel holds 10,000 Palestinian prisoners? I don’t know, but still speculate this sounds like Hamas exhibits strength in such a negotiation if it happens. The list of attendees indicates the summit is serious.

Posted by: Lavieja | Jan 29 2024 9:26 utc | 197

The fallen US soldiers have the same function for the US as the hostages do for Israel: to justify genocide. And many more will undoubtedly die. Sure, it, too, will be packaged as the “right to defend itself” never mind they should never have been there in the first place.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 29 2024 9:30 utc | 198

https://johnhelmer.org/the-tower-22-strike-in-jordan-triggers-us-israel-into-all-front-war-the-arabs-and-iran-are-ready-the-russians-too/
Helmer joins the dots on possible Iranian and Russian cooperation behind the successful attack on US base in Al-Tanf area.
It’s almost as if Trump and Biden never understood that murdering Suleimani and blowing up Nordstream would come with severe consequences…

Posted by: Rubiconned | Jan 29 2024 9:37 utc | 199

Truer words…
Member of the Supreme Political Council of Yemen Muhammad Ali al-Houthi: We say to the Americans: If today in Texas you do not accept an immigrant who is trying to come to work for you, then how can you expect the whole world to accept your troops who come, colonize and kill of people?
https://t.me/vicktop55/20743

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 29 2024 9:42 utc | 200