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January 27, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-030
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@ Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 27 2024 22:19 utc | 66
Nearly two thousand years ago someone wrote, and I paraphrase: When going to the public bath don’t ve offended if you get splashed or if you hear rude language. Just ask yourself the question — Why I am here? What do I want to achieve? Then do it 😉 .
Posted by: Richard L | Jan 28 2024 0:31 utc | 101
Can anyone point me towards ANY EVIDENCE that UNRWA employees may have taken part in the October 7 attacks?
I’ve searched.
Posted by: Menz | Jan 27 2024 22:50 utc | 78
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This is a shit story promoted by Israel and picked up by its western poodles (like the US, UK, and Germany). I think (but I have no proof, just logic) that this is (1), revenge by the Netanyahu’s government because UNRWA employees probably provide evidence to the South African goverment to help them build their case for Israeli genocide in Gaza.
(2), I would not be surprised if some of these UNRWA employees are slated to be eyewitnesses for South Africa when the real trial to factually expose Israeli war crimes and genocide takes place at the ICJ. This attempt by Israel and the US to smear them now may well be an effort to discredit them at the trial later.
Also, there has been a lot of debate about why the ICJ did not make a stronger connection to Israel and its obvious genocide campaign after Oct. Seventh, and why not just end the genocide now by demanding a full cease fire on both sides? I have read or heard many theories, some are quite reasonable, but considering the ICJ’s quick and decisive decision against Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February of 2022, I do not find them convincing. Why must more Palestinian civilians die while the ICJ sorts things out for the next three or four months? Half of the people of Gaza could be dead by that time.
I say, look no further than US Judge Joan Donoghue, the president of the International Court of Justice, who read the ruling. She is a former top legal advisor under Hillary Clinton at the U.S. State Department during the Obama Administration. Before that, she previously was the lawyer for the United States in its unsuccessful defense before the ICJ against charges by Nicaragua that the US was illegally mining its harbor.
I think that we can all assume that the Judge, and the Genocide Joe’s State Department, discussed in detail how to best present the case at this early stage in the process, in a way that is acceptable to the Biden Administration but is also satisfactory to the South African delegation as well. All the Western MSM have put forward basically the same Headlines and spin on the story, for example this one by the WP: “The International Court of Justice on Friday ordered Israel to do more to prevent the killing of civilians in Gaza BUT [Ed] did not call for a cease-fire, disappointing Palestinians who had hoped the court would endorse their pleas for immediate relief from the violence.” In other words, the genocide: How does a textbook case of genocide get put on hold for a few months?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/26/israel-icj-ruling-decision-south-africa-gaza/
Posted by: Ed | Jan 28 2024 0:32 utc | 102
Posted by: Hankster | Jan 27 2024 21:50 utc | 57
They are kicking the UNRW people out in case they are called to testify about Israeli acts of genocide after the ICJ’s Ruling.
Mark2, thanks for your comments. I look for the name at the end of the post before reading, and, when I see yours, I immediately read.
Petroklos demonstrated a regrettable lack of good manners in his choice of words, especially when b constantly exhorts us, “Do not attack other commentators.”
Considering Petroklos’s strong academic background in language and literature, which he has not hesitated to lay out before us (in detail moreover), pointedly not mobilizing that background to compose a comment to you is deplorable. Given his claim to academic distinction, he owes you an apology for addressing you as he did,
Posted by: RJPJR | Jan 28 2024 0:45 utc | 104
Has anyone else posted a link to this Bob Moran cartoon?
I hope this works
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_SLXSHcCwK2RSZTXVL26SA/community?lb=UgkxHZBFlWPBLZk41hJTrmiwQtTnaqN_pn12
Posted by: bevin | Jan 28 2024 0:52 utc | 105
Regarding the story of the UNRWA employees being in on the incursion into “Israel”, there was a similar attack on the previous High Commissioner for the Occupied Territory, Pierre Krähenbühl, an accusation of sexually inappropriate conduct etc. He was forced to resign. The United Nations conducted a proper investigation and cleared him. French Swiss television did an investigation into the affair for their program “Temps présent” (Present Tense) and found that a Certain Intelligence Agency was behind the story and had organized the spreading of it. Lazzarini, the current High Commissioner should have thought of that before he fired anybody and should have called for an investigation. I expected better of him.
Posted by: RJPJR | Jan 28 2024 0:52 utc | 106
Posted by: Pq | Jan 27 2024 22:10 utc | 64
There is a difference between a two sided ceasefire and ordering the ONE party under the ICJ jurisdiction to halt military ops. Especially as it was the uber-armed side.
This is very true, but there seems to be a slight confusion here. b rightly pointed out that the ICJ didn’t have the mandate or jurisdiction to enforce a ceasefire. But the people on the ground badly need exactly that. Whether it’s called a ceasefire, or Israel stopping, or peace, no matter the terms used, they urgently need the slaughter to stop now. Although the ICJ was never in a position to stop it, the fact of the dispute about Israel committing genocide in Gaza took place in their Court was bound to arouse hope in the hearts of those daily facing death from US and Israeli-made bombs and bullets. Hope which has been dashed as today’s casualty figures prove in spades. As such it is extremely disappointing even though entirely in accord with their mandate as you and others point out.
The fact is that the current world order in so many ways lacks the ability to solve problems that it keeps making, problems which involve suffering and death for millions. I don’t care if it’s the wicked US Empire, the Rothschilds, the City, materialism, marxism, Europe, Russia, China, Islam, BRICS or whatever: they all need to do a much better job.
Human beings are much better than their current leadership class who need to step up their game. Like yesterday.
This is forcing west Asia/Arab world to deal with making advances to their own nation’s forms of governance and work together with other nations in ways not necessary under the empire jackboot.
Now that the empire jackboot is being globally challenged and given the regional history of Occupied Palestine, much change is to be expected from the Gaza/West Bank situation.
We are reading about various meetings of regional/national leaders and can only hope that the global private financial jackboot of the past centuries disintegrates safely.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 28 2024 1:01 utc | 108
@ Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 27 2024 22:26 utc | 70
Greetings and felicitations, Patroklos.
You wrote: “If I want someone to read me and take me seriously I proof-read for readability.”
May I point out that you failed to put a comma after the introductory clause ending with “seriously” and also that proofread is not a hyphenated word?
Oh, never mind. Good day.
Sincerely,
Patrick
cc: @ Posted by: Pq | Jan 27 2024 22:20 utc | 67
Posted by: Patrick al-Henrygazh | Jan 28 2024 1:03 utc | 109
mtw @92
Unfortunately it can not happen as the wast majority (as in 98-99%) of Congress is owned by the foreign entity actually committing the genocide.
Posted by: AJ | Jan 28 2024 1:12 utc | 110
@ bevin | Jan 27 2024 23:30 utc | 90
Western higher education has suffered from two things. First, hyper-specialization, which is somewhat naturally emergent from the accumulation more knowledge such that expertise in a given field just takes more time an depth. Second, post-modernism, which is a corrupting ideology averse to the very idea of facts and truth.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jan 28 2024 1:14 utc | 111
The Cradle has a posting up
https://thecradle.co/articles/pentagon-contradicts-white-house-about-us-troop-presence-in-yemen
the quote
But as the US bombing campaign in Yemen began, “defense officials suddenly became more reticent about the American military presence in Yemen,” The Intercept noted.
Though US officials claim their forces are in Yemen to fight Al-Qaeda-linked groups, a BBC investigation released on 22 January revealed that the UAE, a close US ally, has hired Al-Qaeda militants to fight for the Southern Transitional Council (STC), the Emirati-backed government in sparsely populated eastern Yemen.
A whistleblower cited in the investigation provided the BBC with “a document with 11 names of former Al-Qaeda members now working in the STC,” among them former high-ranking operatives of the extremist group.
Nasser al-Shiba, a former high-ranking Al-Qaeda member, is now the commander of the of the STC’s armed units, several sources told the BBC.
Think about all the economic welfare supported by this terrorist employment and logistics……we really are going to have to guarantee some base level of support for all humans when this is over during the reset period…..
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 28 2024 1:16 utc | 112
Posted by: bevin | Jan 27 2024 23:30 utc | 90
This is not the appropriate forum to discuss the matter but I sincerely hope that Mark2 is not offended by Patroklos’s comments.
I value the contributions of both of them, and I sympathise not only with Patroklos’s impatience with Mark’s ‘typos’ but with Mark’s contempt for ‘University types’.
Very sensitive post (leading into an interesting issue that could well become a good book).
I think Mark2 might benefit from using a spell checker which most people have as a matter of course in a word processor program, but also as I am typing now in this web-page box it checks the spelling so when I type speelling it shows me that’s wrong. It is harder to read and understand posts with a high quotient of misspelled words. (Perhaps my browser ‘knows’ I write in English and perhaps Mark2’s does not?)
I have been assuming that either Mark2’s computer is not checking English spelling because he speaks a different language or he is doing it on purpose to make a point. Either way, his posts are sometimes hard to follow because of the poor spelling which could be easily corrected.
I’m with Patrokles here…I know now to scroll from the bottom up. The lowest common denominator everywhere…
Posted by: furies | Jan 28 2024 1:20 utc | 114
Hi Patroklos, you wrote:
Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 27 2024 22:14 utc | 65
“typical off a weak mind to resort to ‘troll’ ….”
Off course that was incorrect usage? Your the expert, let us know!
Posted by: Off course | Jan 28 2024 1:28 utc | 115
Posted by: furies | Jan 28 2024 1:20 utc | 113
I’m with Patrokles here…I know now to scroll from the bottom up. The lowest common denominator everywhere…
If you install Tampermonkey extension into your browser, you can then add the following script which brings the poster’s name to the top of the post instead of the bottom:
https://gist.github.com/tomdmr/1754a5d31cc970240b993559b1734ed2
This one lets you filter out certain posters if you find yourself being childishly and continuously ad hominem’d:
https://pastebin.com/raw/htQe7FHM
(the author titles it: ‘the idiot filter’)
Thanks for all the posative responces.
I’m pretty thick skinned so any negativity is water of a ducks back. I may not know what petroklos knows, but then again he dose’nt know what i know i expect. Im just more modest about my many achevments.
But i do note when ever i critisise trump all hell breaks loose.
If trump the rapeist and biden the vegtable is the best america has to offer, well its not much of an advert for the educational system. 300,000,000 people and thats the pick of the bunch, i’m under welmend.
I sence an ancreasing amount of pent up frustration in the west… predictable cognative disonance. Its about ready to blow up.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 28 2024 1:31 utc | 117
The story of Abraham’s abortive sacrifice of Isaac (“he will laugh”) is central to the “Jewish Renewal” teaching of Oakland’s Michael Lerner:
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 27 2024 19:20 utc | 15
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Sorry Aleph, but the “sacrifice” was not aborted. Abraham (Abram) murdered Isaac because he was not his seed. Go back a few chapters in Genesis and you see that an Egyptian Pharoah (the story is told twice indicating two different author’s) took Sarah (Sarai) for his wife because Abraham said she was his sister (which she was his half-sister). When the Pharoah found out Sarai was Abram’s wife, he sent her back. The next thing you know Sarah (Sarai) is pregnant with Isaac, so it appears that it was Abram who was shooting blanks and Sarai was quite fertile. Abram was alleged to be 100 years old when Isaac was born, and Sarai was 90.
This story was apperently written by priest in the Northern Kingdom to poo poo the alleged kingship claims of David and Solomon. Later, long after Northern Israel was defeated by the Assyrians and carried away as captives, Judaic redactors rewrote the story as it exists in the bible today.
Posted by: Ed | Jan 28 2024 1:31 utc | 118
Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 28 2024 1:31 utc | 116
Thanks for all the posative responces.
I’m pretty thick skinned so any negativity is water of a ducks back. I may not know what petroklos knows, but then again he dose’nt know what i know i expect. Im just more modest about my many achevments.
But i do note when ever i critisise trump all hell breaks loose.
If trump the rapeist and biden the vegtable is the best america has to offer, well its not much of an advert for the educational system. 300,000,000 people and thats the pick of the bunch, i’m under welmend.
I sence an ancreasing amount of pent up frustration in the west… predictable cognative disonance. Its about ready to blow up.
Ha, ha, ha. I think I get it: youer dowin eet on poipors.
(Slipped up with predictable though – got it right!)
People will take you more seriously if you stop writing like a seven year old.
Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 27 2024 21:38 utc | 54
I think mark2’s spelling habits will be reason he gets to be the only one slipping through the CIA dragnet described in post 53 by Tom Q …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 1:43 utc | 120
Posted by: bevin | Jan 27 2024 23:30 utc | 90
Well said.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 1:47 utc | 121
Thanks ED. Much of what you say makes sense especially since 4 of the 5 Five Eyes countries that suspended funds to the UNRWA did so almost immediately. If it walks like a duck…
Posted by: Menz | Jan 28 2024 1:52 utc | 122
I think Arch Bungle just won the orthography subthread!
Myself, I’ve taught (and taught in) two languages and have graded mercilessly when circumstances warranted. On the other hand, I’ve known brilliant people who can’t spell to save their souls. So I make allowances, especially in a forum like this, if the content is solid.
Posted by: malenkov | Jan 28 2024 1:54 utc | 123
Their trained mass response, sure as that of performing seals, has, for the first time ever, failed in regard to the Gaza genocide.” …
Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 27 2024 22:48 utc | 77
Agree, good article, as it targets the root cause of the problem rather than merely the symptoms. Therein lies the problem with Trump, he is elected as promises to resolve the multitude of problems stemming from the Swamp. However as the root cause is Zionism, how could he possibly make any real difference when he fully embraces Zionism and bows before it? At best he could band aid a couple of issues, even despite failing last time, but there is no cure there, just redirection.
Posted by: Organic | Jan 28 2024 1:56 utc | 124
Anyone notice how Hamas fighters “shoot and scoot” really quickly?
These guys don’t hang around after taking the shot they just do it and get moving!
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 1:58 utc | 125
Thanks ED. Much of what you say makes sense especially since 4 of the 5 Five Eyes countries that suspended funds to the UNRWA did so almost immediately. If it walks like a duck…
Posted by: Menz | Jan 28 2024 1:52 utc | 121
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Thanks for your reply.
Posted by: Ed | Jan 28 2024 1:58 utc | 126
psychohistorian | Jan 28 2024 1:16 utc | 111 & 107–
The ICJ verdict and the Genocide Convention combined will become the new benchmark for being a Civilized or Barbarian/Outlaw Nation. As I reported last night, Algeria is already going to push the UNSC to do its duty and follow up on the verdict. It will be joined by many nations. And those many nations that are signatories of the Genocide Convention that aren’t outlaws will rally to join in what it says are their duties.
Yes, there’re many cynics here thinking nothing will happen, that the criminals are going to get away yet again. That’s not going to happen–the NAM’s Declaration charges its members to their duty, and that’s 120 nations. There’s an entirely new focus and associated energy in the drive to eliminate all aspects of Colonialism whose ground zero is Palestine.
I look forward to some great happenings in 2024 rising from the ongoing tragedies caused by the West as it further swirls the drain.
I’m flatered by all this un asked for atention, just to set the recored straight…
I have never owened any sort of computer in my life, nor had lessons on their use.
I use an anceint secound had samsung mobile phone for following this blog. I switched off the spell check becouse it was a pain in the arse as many will agree.
I do feel i add an original kind of lateral thinking aspect that our brillant acadwmics may miss, and look for original points that i feel contribute and stimulate worthwhile debate.
One mans meat is an other mans poisen when it comes to personal views.
But i have something to say and at the momment my priority is my conern for the poor people of Gaza, suffering hourly, while people nit pick about spelling. That to me is true ilitracy.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 28 2024 2:02 utc | 128
Several must read articles at Covert Action Magazine right now. This is one of them:
“But Now, More and More Young Jews Are Waking Up and Learning to Think for Themselves”
“If you talk to an ordinary American, or, in my experience, if you talk to an average Israeli, for that matter, they don’t know anything about who the Palestinians are. They don’t know where they come from, they don’t know how they live, what they believe, and they don’t want to. Right? Because that just complicates things… – historian Sam Biagetti.”
“Last month, The New York Times conducted a series of interviews with a number of American Jewish families and the way they have been dealing with what the paper calls a “generational divide over Israel.”
“The Times notes a trend that has been developing for a long time—younger American Jews becoming markedly more critical of, sometimes downright hostile to, Israel than their elders. The piece looks at “more than a dozen young people…[who] described feeling estranged from the version of Jewish identity they were raised with, which was often anchored in pro-Israel education.”…
https://covertactionmagazine.com/
Posted by: bevin | Jan 28 2024 2:03 utc | 129
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 1:58 utc | 124
I don’t think them folk in Utah or Fairfax County will be after me either with my old problem cerebrum; in my left hemisphere, nothing’s right and in my right hemisphere nothing’s left.
(a very old Dad joke)
Posted by: Menz | Jan 28 2024 2:16 utc | 130
i think there is room for many different types of personalities and temperaments in this forum.. i appreciate both posters under the spotlight here, for very different reasons… i think this is the way forward, as opposed to getting stuck on things..
meanwhile, the thread is about palestine.. the topic on the question of the integrity of the UNRW people sounds like a wonderful smear on the part of israel and its media toadies to accomplish two things… first – keep the topic away from the ICJs decision and 2- cast a negative light on an organization that has had a wonderful track record historically.. i think most people who give this half a moments thought, can see how this is the general mode of operation of a particular agency and agenda we know all too well..
during a time of war, deception is the main tactic to steer the outcome in a particular direction… let’s not be deceived so easily…
Posted by: james | Jan 28 2024 2:21 utc | 131
Some comments about the ICJ ruling and related UN issues, mainly academic or no consequence but some may appreciate his pov and few details he shares.
Shahid Bolsen (US Muslim) from Middle Nation short vids
The ICJ just indicted itself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsiGmOUQdj4
The UN is just an instrument of American policy #ExpelUSfromUN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3qfEXFRXaM
The ICJ follow-up was always the point (Brics?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDuPmhGoNrk
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 28 2024 2:25 utc | 132
Forsight is a wonderfull thing, over the next months of slow aganising death of the people of Gaza how can the pschopaths in israel america and england spin the sheer inhumanity of what the world will witness. It seems to me they will continue to try and normalise it. Dragging at least the western world with them into the pits of depravty and distopia.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 28 2024 2:34 utc | 133
So, the ICJ calls for food and relief aid to prevent genocide. Israel immediately publicly accuses the group providing that service of complicity in the Oct 7 event. (Note: Israel has always accused this group and the UN of anti Semitic actions – not a new charge.)
And within hours Countries across the globe (mine included) demonstrate their unwavering support for Israel by removing their funding to provide the food and relief aid to those facing a genocide.
“Mr Prime Minister, were you aware Israel has always made allegations against UNRWA and before the ICJ rulings you took no action to reduce their funding? Is that a true statement sir?! Yes? Well then I find you guilty of genocide complicity when the court demanded food and relief aid to be increased and you took immediate action to decrease it, off with your head!”
Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jan 28 2024 2:41 utc | 134
“Mr Prime Minister, were you aware Israel has always made allegations against UNRWA and before the ICJ rulings you took no action to reduce their funding? Is that a true statement sir?! Yes? Well then I find you guilty of genocide complicity when the court demanded food and relief aid to be increased and you took immediate action to decrease it, off with your head!”
Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jan 28 2024 2:41 utc | 133
Exactly this.
I have been hearing these allegations for a decade or more. Funny that it should suddenly become material only now.
This is literally a pretext for genocide as millions will starve in Gaza under the current heavy rains.
Time for the so called Muslim “Ummah” to step in and prove they really are an “Ummah”.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 2:47 utc | 135
it has been noted many time here @ MoA that we don’t consider that a problem.
..
I’ll recommend another. Finian Cunningham has a very nice interview with the eminently wise
Iranian Professor Mirandi. Mirandi gives a very believable analysis of the US/Israeli position.
It’s encouraging despite the horrors taking place at the moment.
Mirandi 25 min.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 27 2024 20:28 utc | 26
waynorinorway,
Of course we don’t mind — eg multile posting — do we?
You may recall, I posted this — @Jan 26 2024 4:28 utc | 145 ,
but was disappointed that it did not get traction here. Thanks for reposting it. I agree, Professor Marandi, has always been an astute observer of regional affairs, and was an adviser to the JCPOA recent negotiation, much to his dislike, but the desire to serve the country obliged him.
An American born, he served in Iran/Iraq war, and suffers from gas poisoning during the war.
I second, and third what you say about the interview.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 28 2024 2:48 utc | 136
You can tell who the perpatrators are by all the govenments and their oposition partys who voted not to have a ceasefire, the same people claiming to be the victems.
The perps are america and england using israel as their proxy.
Same as ukraine.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 28 2024 2:51 utc | 137
Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 28 2024 2:02 utc | 126
The ICJ verdict and the Genocide Convention combined will become the new benchmark for being a Civilized or Barbarian/Outlaw Nation.
Can’t remember the wording, but in the Judgment yesterday they mentioned that the Court’s inability to conduct investigations limited the scope of their Judgment. In other words, they couldn’t establish that genocide was happening absent actual investigation but based on what they were presented clearly genocide was likely if hostilities continued and therefore Israel should do whatever it can to ‘prevent’ it from happening. If when they report back in one month it can be established that they haven’t done everything possible to prevent it, that will be a legal hook to hang them on using the Law established in this first Judgment.
Indeed, though at this stage it may be only a relatively small legal step in a faraway Court later it may well prove a giant geopolitical LEAP in that for the first time Israel has been put on notice that the world doesn’t buy its mendacious, self-serving narratives, roundly disapproves of its shameless predilection for mass murder and has found a Law with which to both condemn and unequivocally outlaw their inhuman treatment of Palestinians as untermenschen to be ausrotten.
Many things will come from this Judgment, not least of which damaging losses on the battlefield of Mind, the highest Court wherein wars are ultimately won and lost and wherein also it shall be determined whether or not Israeli Statehood can continue in the Middle East.
The ICJ just indicted itself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsiGmOUQdj4
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 28 2024 2:25 utc | 131
I’m with Bolsen on this one. He is bang on.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 2:55 utc | 139
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 28 2024 2:25 utc | 131
I’m with Bolsen on this one. He is bang on.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 2:55 utc | 138
And he’s correct in his other two videos as well.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 3:03 utc | 140
Time for the so called Muslim “Ummah” to step in and prove they really are an “Ummah”.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 2:47 utc | 134
Sorry to remind you Arch: The “Ummah” is not rapturist.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 28 2024 3:19 utc | 141
Sorry to remind you Arch: The “Ummah” is not rapturist.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 28 2024 3:19 utc | 140
I never claimed it was.
I’m simply saying that this “Ummah” Muslims speak of should make it unnecessary that any Gaza aid is required from the West.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 3:23 utc | 142
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 2:55 utc | 138
I’m with Bolsen on this one. He is bang on.
Solid take. Bifurcation of Global South and the Collective Waste. But here’s the same take from an entirely different perspective, namely how the US is being deliberately steered into separation from the Global South by its own leaders.
Whether by accident or design, all events further the ongoing geopolitical bifurcation which started with the SMO (immediately after the whole world operated in lockstep with nationwide lock downs).
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/01/26/big-picture-ed-dowd-is-correct-in-this-review-every-opaque-action-in-western-government-is-aligned-toward-a-dollar-based-cbdc/
Warning: the interviewee in the 1.5 min video is an ex BlackRock exec who frequently appears on patriot channels but the article is written by the blog host Sundance.
Here’s how it really looks from the outside looking at the USA. The same way the Patriot Act was not designed to stop terrorism but rather to create a domestic surveillance system. So too were the “Russian Sanctions” not designed to sanction Russia, but rather to create the financial control system that will lead to a USA digital currency.
The Western sanctions created a financial wall around the USA, not to keep Russia out, but to keep us in. The Western sanction regime, the financial mechanisms they created and authorized, creates the control gate that leads to a U.S. digital currency.
Now, does the exploding debt and seeming govt ambivalence, the stuff Ed Dowd is talking about, take on a new perspective? It should, because that unspoken motive explains everything. It all just makes sense when reviewed through this prism of motive and intent. Again, the western sanctions against Russia are not having an impact against Russia; they are having a quiet impact in the USA and western dollar-based economic system that no one is permitted to talk about.
Possibly the ‘deal’ that I keep suspecting may have been made is simply that of bifurcation, that the West will all be behind one Great Wall and the RoW can be everything outside. If we know anything about high finance Jewish networks it’s that they like to play both sides. Interestingly, they run the two hottest spots in the world right now, Ukraine and Israel. Maybe they are not fully on board with the deal or, more likely, are trying to finagle the best terms possible by injecting a little chaos and drama.
I highly recommend the Electronic Intifada analyses of the on the ground events in Gaza, specifically their review of the tactical progress of the fighting:
https://youtu.be/F1G55GC_2cM?si=7KQmAtHUMpOpBynm
Unlike many high level analysts these guys provide a view of how the Hamas and IDF soldiers are interacting in the ground.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 3:30 utc | 144
“…I posted this — @Jan 26 2024 4:28 utc | 145 ,but was disappointed that it did not get traction here. ..” Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 28 2024 2:48 utc | 135
It happens a lot. Time differences are part of the problem. I sometimes get irritated when a link I posted a week ago gets picked up when someone else posts it…but that is just me being silly.
As it happens I didn’t see the link to the Cunnningham interview until waynorinnorway’s post. I agree that it is very good and to be recommended.
Posted by: bevin | Jan 28 2024 3:59 utc | 145
by Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 3:30 utc | 143
Thanks for a reminder. Those guys were cool with Roger Waters interview and a smart discussion ensured.
Posted by: whirlX | Jan 28 2024 4:01 utc | 146
Aleph-Null 15
Fortunately the actual conversation between Allah and Ibraheem Alaihi Salam is recorded in the Qur’an. These Joos do love treating God as a figment of their creative imaginations, like the run Hollywood , so why not run RELIGION?
Religion is child’s play compared to Hollywood because they can make it up as they go along.
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 28 2024 4:12 utc | 147
@ Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 28 2024 2:48 utc | 135
thanks either way sakineh.. i appreciate your generousity in sharing what you think is of value..
Posted by: james | Jan 28 2024 4:14 utc | 148
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 1:43 utc | 119
Interesting point. Can’t say I entirely disagree either.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 28 2024 4:23 utc | 149
South Africa preparing to file ICJ case against USA and UK for complicity in Gaza genocide.
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/the-world-v—israel—is-justice-really-blind
Posted by: Patrick al-Henrygazh | Jan 28 2024 4:26 utc | 150
Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 28 2024 1:31 utc | 116
I hate to prolong this thread of conversation, and see Arch and my comments on it above, but since it’s become “a thing”, if you don’t mind me asking, I have seen (and agreed with most of) your comments and found the spelling and punctuation a little strange and potentially, for some, off-putting. I usually follow the guidance of whatever built-in spell checker my browser (or phone, which has its own KB software and its own spell check, so that’s 2 spell checks per word), and I imagine if I spelled things the way you often do, my comments would be unreadable to myself will all the red markings and stuff. Is there any reason you type like that? Seems intentional. Feel free to ignore if you want. Just curious.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 28 2024 4:28 utc | 151
Mark2 132
I listened to the BBC for the first time since February 2022 to hear their take on the ICJ decision. Jeremy Bowen was saying ‘ as we all know, the ICJ decision makes it very hard for Israel…. ‘
Israel , ever the victim ..
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 28 2024 4:30 utc | 152
@113 furies
Yes, many posters have said they start from the last comment and work backwards. I do this as well.
Perhaps it is a sign of the doom-scrolling mentality that has come with www: we are constantly looking for the newest event thinking we have missed something and have to get caught up. It’s a cruddy thing to admit, but is there a “keeping up with the Jones’s” aspect to geopolitics?
I’m not thrilled to admit that for years I started the day at that libertarian news-aggregator hedge de zero, starting around 2014 when Russia went into Syria. I thought I would wake up any day to tsar-bombas on the horizon. I don’t think the fiber optics would have survived an event like that, so I was always tickled to find the doom-purveyors at that site telling us that the economy will collapse any day now. Still waiting patiently and hopefully for that to happen.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 28 2024 4:42 utc | 153
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 3:23 utc | 141
Thanks for the reply Arch. Ok, understood. You are talking about this particular case vs. the total. I agree. The “Ummah” should step in.
The dispensation channel of the funds may still be an issue.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 28 2024 5:40 utc | 154
The “Ummah” should step in. The dispensation channel of the funds may still be an issue.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 28 2024 5:40 utc | 153
Moreover, I’m saying:
– The Ummah may have no choice but to step in if indeed the Palestinian cause matters to the broader global Muslim community, for the simple fact that there will be nobody other than a few capable global South Countries.
– The West will now literally begin executing the genocide on behalf of ‘Israel’ with *intent* – as that is what the withdrawal of aid amounts to.
The Ummah is literally the last resort and hope of the Palestinian people right now. The entirety of Western Civilization with all their centuries of lofty rhetoric on human rights and morality have been exposed as utterly bankrupt of any morality whatsoever …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 5:48 utc | 155
As some may be aware January 27 2024 marks the 80th anniversary of the lifting of the siege of Leningrad (St Petersburg).
If we look at a map of Leningrad Oblast which contains the city now named St Petersburg we see that it borders Finland in the North. The siege began when red army troops who had been defending that border until german and other nazi armies began moving up towards Leningrad from the South West.
After the Red Army moved from the border region, Finland’s army invaded from behind their border to establish a line of control across Leningrad’s North. This placed the city under siege trapped between two fascist forces. Both armies stayed in place, rather like Gaza under the zionists, nothing especially not food, was let in and no one was let out.
A million people living in Leningrad died, the vast majority from starvation during that time.
finland which has refused along with germany to pay reparations to the families of those slaughtered in the siege. Now they back israeli zionists?
The sickest thing about the entire attitude of these two fascist nations towards this episode in contemporary times is best said by Maria Zakharova in 2021 after the german fascists offered to pay reparations but only to the families of Jewish siege victims.
So now german fascists believe that only jews count? As far as they are concerned Russian slavs are worthless, their lives simply don’t count.
We now see finland adopting the same fascist reasoning, that Palestinian lives mean nothing in comparison the the lives of jewish squatters.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 28 2024 5:50 utc | 156
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 28 2024 4:42 utc | 152
“hedge de zero” would have saved me several long comments being automatically flushed.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 28 2024 6:12 utc | 157
Hezbollah targets izzraeli military infrastructure (precisely) using Iranian falaq missiles:
https://youtu.be/VUJLzP4tTzU?si=6UYAF-j7Sr5hxxwS
What strikes me (no pun) is the highly effective concealment of the missile launchers in the video.
All one can see are the missiles belting out from among the dense foliage.
Hezbollah cells then move their gig quickly off to another location (if this is not an automated rig to begin with) so that any retaliation on that spot really just hits when nobody’s home.
Looking at the firing rate of this one system in the video I can imagine all hell will break loose if the IDF (with or without American help) are stupid enough to try and invasion of South Lebanon.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 6:29 utc | 158
Arch Bungle 154
When you say the Ummah, the leaders of the Umnah are 100% sold to Israel, and its compromat spying technology which gives the oppressed Ummah a false sense of agency by in turn spying on others.
I said 100% sold to Israel, because that’s an easier concept for barflies than selling their souls to the devil. London is a nest of spies, some of them Jews who detest the West for its Christian antisemitism, and some of them Muslims who detest the Muslim dictators who ere created by Usuk to torture them.
Muslims are asking why we’re shouting Free Free Palestine when all our Muslim rulers are enslaved by Western Power and Zionist magic, the satanic spying technology. We’re thinking ‘ free us first from Political conniving Islam . Only then will we be able to Free Palestinr.
.it is indeed the corruption of Political Islam that is preventing the Ummah from responding to the Israeli Genocide.
Political Islam serves the Jews, and whoever serves the Jews serves Satan. Only the Afghsns have kicked Zionism out of their country, and only Afghanistan will save Palestine. Allahu Akbar. One corner of the Ummah is free.
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 28 2024 6:43 utc | 159
Political Islam serves the Jews, and whoever serves the Jews serves Satan. Only the Afghsns have kicked Zionism out of their country, and only Afghanistan will save Palestine. Allahu Akbar. One corner of the Ummah is free.
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 28 2024 6:43 utc | 158
If your prophecies are to be believed it is the black flagged armies of the Dajjal who will emerge from Khorasan (Afghanistan?) to sit upon the throne in Jerusalem …
It is clear to me, from an eschatological point of view, that the salvation will come out of Yemen.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 7:00 utc | 160
The Daily Mail accidentally posted some pretty good video of the Houthi hit on the British oil tanker.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13014133/pictured-inferno-british-oil-tanker-marlin-luanda-houthi-strike-gulf-aden.html
Posted by: Patrick al-Henrygazh | Jan 28 2024 7:03 utc | 161
For the record: my original post was really a kind of joke (‘the real crime is your spelling, haha’). It was Mark2 who made it ad hominem.
I’ve never once claimed that my academic background gives me more right to speak here, just that I tend to take more heed of well-crafted posts, and less heed of keyboard mashing.
I am reserved in my posting yet get more flak for being edumecated than Mark2 does for braying. Riddle me that.
And it’s Patroklos, not Petroklos (for reasons that I really can’t be bothered explaining).
but i apoljisee Marktoo ef I hert youree feelingz.
Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 28 2024 7:07 utc | 162
Hey barflies. I am headed to sleep land but want to ask for confirmation of the UK ship being hit in Red Sea that I read somewhere in passing….sigh/no link
Not that there won’t be plenty of other news about our civilization war by the time I rise and shine.
Peace to all!
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 28 2024 7:10 utc | 163
…… Here is the link to the US Federal Statute adopting the UN Convention Against Genocide. Its a simple quick read.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1091.
You will note that complicity in genocide by anyone carries the same penalties as the grounding offences, namely: potential death, or life imprisonment.……
This is a profound truth. Also note that war crimes have no statute of limitations. A 20 something State Department or Pentagon junior Staffer helping arms shipments will still be liable for prosecution in 2085 or so.
Posted by: Exile | Jan 28 2024 7:11 utc | 164
That said, I’ll go back into my box. I’d rather offer one thoughtful and considered reflection every 3 months than dross everyday.
And in the spirit of Bevin (who still ended up insulting me, but whatever), I do withdraw my complaint against Mark2 and sorry if came across a snob. I just really like the English language and love reading well-composed prose.
Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 28 2024 7:12 utc | 165
Interesting insight into “Israeli officials'” take on the IOF’s chances against Hezbollah.
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israeli-officials–hezbollah-overtook-the-north-in–simple-e
Snippet:
Barr described the published footage by Hezbollah as frightening, considering Hezbollah has missiles “like Burkan.”
Posted by: Patrick al-Henrygazh | Jan 28 2024 7:21 utc | 166
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 28 2024 4:28 utc | 150
I guess that was my point too. You put it politely, I put it sarcastically, which I regret (the sarcasm that is, not the view).
Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 28 2024 7:23 utc | 167
@ Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 28 2024 7:12 utc | 164
Okay, I take it all back! Forgiven, and please don’t be a stranger.
By the way, I think Arch is right: mark2 is likely a genius in terms of flying under the big bad radar. There was a time on that eLan mUsk thang whEr pe0ple typed liik thhis cuz itwas saed to mache theyre p0ssts es cApe the sensore shIp algoo rith ems.
Just sayin’.
Posted by: Patrick al-Henrygazh | Jan 28 2024 7:26 utc | 168
@ Posted by: Exile | Jan 28 2024 7:11 utc | 163
On complicity with genocide, i posted this upthread @ 148, but it’s worth repeating:
South Africa preparing to file ICJ case against USA and UK for complicity in Gaza genocide.
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/the-world-v—israel—is-justice-really-blind
Posted by: Patrick al-Henrygazh | Jan 28 2024 7:34 utc | 169
@ Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 28 2024 7:07 utc | 161
Glad you wrote that.
A man down under found it vexing
How the man up over was texting
They kicked it around
And then it was found
It’s best to move on to the next thing.
Knowing your fondness for limericks, here’s a flashback to a funny scene
from the movie Getting Straight. Pick it up at the 5:00 min. mark.
Elliott Gould
Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 28 2024 7:36 utc | 170
It is clear to me, from an eschatological point of view, that the salvation will come out of Yemen.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 7:00 utc | 159
Arch, I always wondered what is it about Yemen that makes it such an attractive bomb destination. Recent events make it more clear as to why.
I think the expression is “bombed to stone age.” What people don’t realize is that Yemen is already there. Tried and true for multiple year war on the poorest people on the planet. But they are here to show us the way with their courage.
May you be right in your assessment.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 28 2024 7:37 utc | 171
So UNRWA employees were involved in Oct 7 , if that is plausible , well the 1500, plus , South Sudanese , 1500, Ethiopians , 800 from Honduras , 900 from El Salvador , 1700 Indians from Asia , those Kurds as well (?) so they’re converts or Mercenaries ? Oh ? Forgot about the Ugandan Female General on the Emperor’s Tantra Bench . Great skill sets in killing . Gruel World Order . Outsource your guilt !
Posted by: Paleologos | Jan 28 2024 7:58 utc | 172
So UNRWA employees were involved in Oct 7 , if that is plausible
Posted by: Paleologos | Jan 28 2024 7:58 utc | 171
A whole lot of U.S government employees were involved in the My Lai massacre but I’ve yet to see funding withdrawn from the U.S military.
Just sayin’ …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 8:15 utc | 173
… but want to ask for confirmation of the UK ship being hit in Red Sea that I read somewhere in passing
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 28 2024 7:10 utc | 162
This is well documented by Hindustan Times (they seem good at grubbing the best on the ground footage of events in the m.e these days):
Houthi Attack: Ship Captain Describes Missile Strike, Fire Panic; Praises Indian Navy For Rescue
Houthi Attack | Red Sea Crisis | Indian Navy Helps Extinguish Fire On British Tanker| N18V
Houthis’ Big Allegation Against USA, UK After Missile Attack Burns Indian Crew Ship: ‘Key Oil Site …’
Houthi Rebels’ New Chilling Threat To U.S. & Israel After Back-To-Back Attacks; ‘Can Sink Enemy…’
Apparently Yemen’s main oil export port was struck by U.S/U.K yesterday in retaliation. This is a severe blow against the Yemeni people themselves so I hope Ansarallah prepared for this contingency but I am sure this will cause oil prices to spike to the detriment of the Western oil market as well.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 8:31 utc | 174
Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 28 2024 7:36 utc | 169
I love you man! ✊
Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 28 2024 9:18 utc | 175
I’m with Patroklos on this…many times Mark makes interesting, articulate and lucid comments and yet other times he is completely incoherent and unreadable….I was even wondering if he is two people working under the same name so rather than try to decipher his word salad I just scroll past his name and don’t read his comments anymore.
Posted by: Honeyeater | Jan 28 2024 9:49 utc | 176
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 1:43 utc | 120
I think mark2’s spelling habits will be reason he gets to be the only one slipping through the CIA dragnet described in post 53 by Tom Q …
Very good observation. Perhaps MOA could collectively develop a “Moon Write” lingo specially developed to discombobulate the spooks. Might be a big ask but I can dream.
Posted by: B | Jan 28 2024 10:05 utc | 177
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 28 2024 6:43 utc | 158
I don’t understand why you have such a negative view of Muslim leaders. You live in the UK. You don’t run the risk of your country being reduced to rubble in 30 days which is an absolute reality for any Muslim country in West Asia. You don’t run the risk of being assassinated for standing up and showing courage. Have you studied the history of each country individually before you lecture them on what to do?
Who are we to demand those risks from others if we would not take them on ourselves?
Let me reply here to your considered reply to me of Jan 27 #263.
“Islam is a system for deciding what is right and wrong and then doing it.” I agree. Surely you agree there could be more than one system? And even if someone is within that system, there could be a corrupt individual within the system.
I was not reducing Islam to a “label” but saying that it had been turned into a label as a geopolitical strategy of NATO.
I don’t know much about religion but I admire and respect people of genuine faith and those who live their lives with integrity even if they are not religious.
I get slammed on MoA for being a “defender of Arab dictators” when my point is so simple: don’t make sweeping generalizations when you know F** all.
99.99% of what is written about the Arab world whether in MSM or indy media is negative. We only say something positive when they are being slaughtered to death. Without speaking Arabic what can we possibly know about the nuances of Wahabi whatnot or Muslim Brotherhood?
Morsi of MB did a lot to help Gaza and was essentially arrested and slow murdered in prison.
“Hamas , whatever its roots , has been run by mafia style honchos in big cars and suitcases of Gulf loot.”…. you know this how? From BBC?
My impression is that your repeated accusations are based on superficial (lack of) knowledge.
There is no person on this site who, in defending “real Islam” does more to trash Islam than you if I may say so. Why is that even necessary when we all know there has been a war on Islam for 30 years?
Here you are. I looked this up for you. I think you should go through the whole list.
https://www.islamicity.org/14618/good-manners-in-the-quran/
Think good of others (24:12)
Don’t call others with bad names (49:11)
Don’t claim yourselves to be pure (53:32)
Verify information from a dubious source before acting upon it (49:6)
Posted by: pq | Jan 28 2024 10:11 utc | 178
I’m simply saying that this “Ummah” Muslims speak of should make it unnecessary that any Gaza aid is required from the West.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 3:23 utc | 142
1. The Muslim Ummah has already paid several times over for what Israel keeps destroying.
2. If only Muslim countries fund aid to Gaza, the screams that they are supporting “terrorism” will be amplified.
3. Muslim countries cannot be “trusted” to not fund terroris,
4. Only Western countries are capable of “transparency.
How do you resolve this?
Posted by: pq | Jan 28 2024 10:17 utc | 179
@Arch Bungle | Jan 28 2024 2:55 utc | 138
I’m with Bolsen on this one. He is bang on.
After some consideration, I have to agree.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 28 2024 10:27 utc | 181
Honeyeater | Jan 28 2024 9:49 utc | 176
Posted by: B | Jan 28 2024 10:05 utc | 177
Two new name no name clowns.
Arch, Mark’s okay. But your comment did draw the attention of a couple of troll types.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 28 2024 10:32 utc | 182
90 Bevin etc. Maybe Mark2’s problem is not enought time to correct typos. I lose many posts due to “your time has expired”
@Lavieja | Jan 28 2024 10:51 utc | 183
I lose many posts due to “your time has expired”
This is off topic, but losing posts is not necessary. If you get that message
1. Press the browser “back” button and copy the text you wrote into the system clipboard (select + ctrl-c).
2. Refresh the page and navigate down to the edit box
3. Paste (ctrl-v) your text from the clipboard into the edit box
4. Press “Preview”, if ok press “Post”
done.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 28 2024 11:01 utc | 184
RJPJR. I much value reading Patroklus clearly expressed and educational posts and do not have to struggle figuring out what he is saying.
Lavieja | Jan 28 2024 10:51 utc | 183
Too many word nazi’s that place more importance on pretty words that look like a nice flower arrangement rather than what is behind the words.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 28 2024 11:04 utc | 186
This is a shit story promoted by Israel
Posted by: Ed | Jan 28 2024 0:32 utc | 102
One of many parroted by Genocide Joe, Anglo-Irish-American or -zionist, depending on phase of the US election campaign battle for the soul of the nation.
Statement from President Joe Biden on International Holocaust Remembrance Day
Tomorrow [Jan 27], on International Holocaust Remembrance Day, we join nations around the world and pause to mourn one of the darkest chapters in human history, when six million Jews were systematically targeted and murdered by the Nazis and their collaborators in the Holocaust during the 1930s and 1940s. We also grieve the Roma, Sinti, Slavs, people with disabilities, LGBTQI+ individuals, racial minorities, and political dissidents who were abused or killed. And we honor the courage of survivors and the heroism of people who bravely stood up to the Nazis, risking everything to save innocent lives.
This year, the charge to remember the Holocaust, the evil of the Nazis, and the scourge of antisemitism is more pressing than ever. On October 7 Hamas terrorists unleashed pure, unadulterated evil on the people of Israel, slaughtering approximately 1,200 innocent people and taking hundreds more hostage—including survivors of the Shoah. It was the worst atrocity committed against the Jewish people in a single day since the Holocaust.
In the aftermath of Hamas’s vicious massacre, we have witnessed an alarming rise of despicable antisemitism at home and abroad that has surfaced painful scars from millennia of hate and genocide of Jewish people. It is unacceptable. We cannot remember all that Jewish survivors of the Holocaust experienced and then stand silently by when Jews are attacked and targeted again today. Without equivocation or exception, we must also forcefully push back against attempts to ignore, deny, distort, and revise history. This includes Holocaust denialism and efforts to minimize the horrors that Hamas perpetrated on October 7, especially its appalling and unforgiveable use of rape and sexual violence to terrorize victims.
[…]
On this somber International Holocaust Remembrance Day, we hold the Jewish community and the people of Israel close in our hearts. We recommit to carrying forward the lessons of the Shoah
“shoah” lessons: “At its core, the term describes an animal sacrifice totally burnt on an altar in order to please a god”, haaretz 1, ἀνάθεμα,wikiwtf, חרם wikiwtf, sacrifice of the mass catholic.net
to fighting antisemitism and all forms of hate-fueled violence, and to bringing the hostages home. And we remember the enduring strength, spirit, and resilience of the Jewish people—even in the darkest of times.
###
Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 28 2024 11:09 utc | 187
2 days ago an academic/legal woman from Boston(I will find out her name and title) was interviewed on Electronic Intifada, and she was interpreted as saying the ICJ ruling (somehow) makes it legally availabe for states to take actions against Israel — economic, etc. even military.
shahidkingbolsen.
Professional services: Public Figure | Legal Consultant | PR Strategist
Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 28 2024 11:27 utc | 189
Peter AU1 @186
Not a troll but a long time MoA reader and it’s not pretty words that I want to read but often it is precisely because I cannot understand what is behind the words he is trying to say…..there are so many exceptionally intelligent comments to read but often it’s like panning for gold in a river of shit with the abundance of trolls clogging the threads and so I prefer not to read the cryptic comments that don’t make a lot of sense.
I get the best information here from b, yourself and the other commenters and for that I am indeed very grateful.
Cheers to you mate, stay well.
Posted by: Honeyeater | Jan 28 2024 11:28 utc | 190
Lavieja 188 PQ explains this EI discussion on the later thread “war on UN. The woman is Susak Akram.
Posted by: B | Jan 28 2024 10:05 utc | 177
Sorry, but that post was from me- not”B”. Some sort of glitch.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 28 2024 11:37 utc | 192
186 PeterAU1. Thank u for input, but I believe he is saying something worth considering which I have understood.
184 Norwegian thank you for your instruction. I will work on that. Also what I need is a different device. This is a minimal android phone. Trully off topic here
Honeyeater | Jan 28 2024 11:28 utc | 190
Many here can far better put into words what I am thinking at times. There is quite a range of opinions here on geo-politics. Those that I have the most regard for are the that don’t blame the victims of western imperialism for western imperialism.
I also like to read a comment by those with good written communication skills but not all have that.
Some years back, I had a bit of a deterrence with Patroklos, someone I do respect a great deal.
Culture? That is applied two different ways. There is the term culture as applied to fine arts and there is the culture of a people. Fine arts include writing music painting ect ect, but the culture of the people is the sum total of their history. Fine arts are limited to the few.
Every country needs or certainly has both I guess.
So I mostly judge usernames here by whether they tend to blame the geo-politic victims or not.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 28 2024 11:56 utc | 195
186 PeterAU1. Not referring to Mark2 in any way, but anti-intellectualism is very woke in the US — self-righteous ignorance considered a quality of American exceptionalism. So many people think they know it all
Honeyeater | Jan 28 2024 11:28 utc | 190
I should have clarified this a little more – “So I mostly judge usernames here by whether they tend to blame the geo-politic victims or not”.
Proxies are also victims, but I feel no empathy for them. Empire of Lies geopolitical targets, enemies of choice… would be more precise.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 28 2024 12:00 utc | 197
Lavieja | Jan 28 2024 11:59 utc | 196 “but anti-intellectualism is very woke in the US”
Don’t confuse that with those who are not intellectuals. From year seven through to year ten, I was always disqualified for cheating in science as I never wrote anything down. Tests were mostly just tick the right box type tests. I although I didn’t bother with other subjects after year eight, mostly going up the pines behind the school after getting off the school bus, I liked science and always went to those lessons.
The nerdy types – the bulk of the class with their folders full of writing didn’t have a clue even though science in those years was simple common sense type stuff. For me it was just a matter of running through and ticking the correct answer.
For me, it wasn’t a mater of anti intellectualism, rather some form of dyslexia when it came to communication skills. I’ve managed to improve my written skills a little in the close to fifty years since then, but though I’ve needed them all my working life, I can never remember maths equations.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 28 2024 12:21 utc | 198
While I got a good chuckle out of Arch’s proposal that misspellings might help one evade the CIA dragnet (and let’s not forget the NSA!), and while I *wish* this were possible, there are some scary good soundex algorithms out there, and the spooks might have better ones than we know of.
Posted by: malenkov | Jan 28 2024 13:15 utc | 199
Peter AU. Not sure I’m understanding what you’re saying here, your writing different from what I associate with your usual posting style, but no problem & thanks for sharing. I think it was your use of the word “flowery” to describe my take on Patroklos’ post, “flowery” being the last thing that would attract me to a person’s expression in this forum and not at all an aspect I’ve ever noticed in the articulations of P. I was once a copy editor. Do have prejudices myself about lack of good English as for example misspellings and misuses of words in even the most ‘venerable’ places, newspaper headlines, etc., overrated writers who use words in a slippery, subjective way, revolting trendy expressions like ‘pushing the envelope’, words that have been rendered useless so that one would never want to utter them like freedom, founding fathers,etc. a lot of hogwash. This has nothing to do with you. I defended Patroklos more from that perspective maybe than what he was saying. I have to admit myself as the years go by I forget how to spell more words. Off topic.