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January 27, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-030
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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It appears to me that Hamas has lit the fuse of the smoldering conflict between the RoW and the USUKIS and brought the underlying conflict to the forefront. Posted by: mtw | Jan 27 2024 17:02 utc | 1 Indeed, Exile. Angels in the form of white kites looking down at us radiating love. A point of relaxed focus as the band-aid is ripped off. Thanks, Refaat. Posted by: titmouse | Jan 27 2024 17:37 utc | 3 power madness isnt new and is probably a genetic fault in the human condition, but there is something remarkable in the extent to which anglo-norman-zionist civilization postures as a moral actor while, infact, implementing a might-is-right legal reality. that was on display in Israel’s defense at the ICJ: “consciousness of genocide is in our DNA, therefore we are not capable of committing it.” But Israel (and Posted by: ZT | Jan 27 2024 17:39 utc | 4 So the the ICJ ruling in less than 2 days has been met with scorn by the west, thats clear from the wests actions and words. Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 27 2024 17:39 utc | 5 The World Court has put Israel and its allies on trial for genocide by Jonathan Cook: Posted by: Vortex | Jan 27 2024 17:58 utc | 6 American and englands public will be the next cannon fodder. Posted by: rk | Jan 27 2024 18:02 utc | 7 i highly recommend this 23 minute interview with the houthi spokesman… apologies if it has already been shared… Posted by: james | Jan 27 2024 18:06 utc | 8 rk @ 7 Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 27 2024 18:17 utc | 9 Palestinians brought a lawsuit yesterday in Oakland federal court (Dellums bldg) against Biden, Blinken and Austin for complicity in genocide. Bolstered by ICJ ruling. Livestreamed to crowd of several thousand surrounding the building. Like the ICJ, I know it will be toothless until nations besides Yemen join in solidarity, nevertheless another symptom of change, like in the rally people no longer feel the need to qualify their public statements to prove one isn’t “anti-semitic”. I don’t have enough legal understanding to explain the legalities, other than it was heartbreaking when one of the Palestinian witnesses who were testifying was notified of the loss of a family member the day before. Posted by: Osori | Jan 27 2024 18:31 utc | 10 regarding my post above, some further details. Posted by: Osori | Jan 27 2024 18:39 utc | 11 @james | Jan 27 2024 18:06 utc | 8 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 27 2024 18:44 utc | 12 With 4,000,000+ unique visitors per month – MoA is one of the most read independent media platforms. The authorities have been aware of MoA for a very long time. 😀 Posted by: Exile | Jan 27 2024 19:13 utc | 13 it reminds me of the Biblical command issued to Abraham to kill Isaac as a sacrifice…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lerner_(rabbi)#Positive_Judaism Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 27 2024 19:20 utc | 15 Posted by: Exile | Jan 27 2024 19:13 utc | 16 Well you were caught with your hands in the till Posted by: Dogtired | Jan 27 2024 19:25 utc | 17 I would be even more ashamed of Americans if I thought they knew truly what the sociopaths in power were doing. Posted by: Dogtired | Jan 27 2024 19:35 utc | 18 Posted by: JewsUberAlles | Jan 27 2024 18:58 utc | 15 Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Jan 27 2024 19:47 utc | 19 and now for something completely worth reading: Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 27 2024 19:49 utc | 20 Now also in the West Bank
Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 27 2024 19:50 utc | 21 @ Norwegian | Jan 27 2024 18:44 utc | 12 Posted by: james | Jan 27 2024 19:55 utc | 22 Exiled – With 4,000,000+ unique visitors per month – MoA is one of the most read independent media platforms. The authorities have been aware of MoA for a very long time. 😀 rk | Jan 27 2024 18:02 utc | 7 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 27 2024 20:16 utc | 24 @ b | Jan 27 2024 19:56 utc | 23 with the web stats update/perspective….thanks for that
What do they expect people to think when they say things like “Friday’s attack was the third in the vicinity of a vessel that had previously called on a Russian port.” Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 27 2024 20:22 utc | 25 thanks norwegian! i am glad you liked it and thought of it much the same as i! Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 27 2024 20:28 utc | 26
I personally never expected the Court to effect a ceasefire, however I do feel that doing so is the single greatest, and urgent, priority the situation clearly demands of the world community. Any Palestinians who hoped that the ICJ would help them in this regard must be deeply disappointed. What do they expect people to think when they say things like “Friday’s attack was the third in the vicinity of a vessel that had previously called on a Russian port.” Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 27 2024 20:34 utc | 28 Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 27 2024 20:22 utc | 26 Posted by: Dogtired | Jan 27 2024 20:36 utc | 29 The reality of zionist mass-murder in Gaza has still not sufficiently cleared the blinkers from the eyes of the Western public. What would it take to do so? Gaza is just one localised stage on a wider attack which will involve the WEF, WHO and related organisations. Posted by: Cynic | Jan 27 2024 20:38 utc | 30 Anyway, the authorities are certainly aware of it. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 27 2024 20:39 utc | 31 Then he goes on to what can be done despite this disappointment:
The bifurcation continues. This ruling does provide justification / talking points for the Global South to start cutting ties and further consolidating their own bloc which is free and able to chart its own course. The greatest resistance to the so-called Hegemonic World Order is simply to make a different one leaving the played-out older one in their wake. Anyway, the authorities are certainly aware of it. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 27 2024 20:42 utc | 33 To hell — or whatever is worse — with the deluded, lying, gangrenous lot of them.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 27 2024 20:45 utc | 34 @ waynorinorway | Jan 27 2024 20:28 utc | 26 Posted by: james | Jan 27 2024 20:46 utc | 35 The members of Ansar Allah have done more for the good of the world in the last two months than the United Nations (as an organization) has done in 78 years, the entirety of its existence. Posted by: Matthew | Jan 27 2024 20:54 utc | 36 NICE TIMING FOR THE UNRWA ALLEGATIONS (!) AS THE FT ITSELF SPELLS OUT ALTHOUGH I DOUBT THE MISDIRECTION PLAY WILL WORK: Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 27 2024 20:56 utc | 37 THIS IS FROM NOVEMBER: Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 27 2024 20:59 utc | 38 There’s been rumors that an invasion of South Lebanon is to be expected very soon. Posted by: liveload | Jan 27 2024 21:02 utc | 39 Analysis by Patrick Wintour Diplomatic editor of The Guardian: Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 27 2024 21:02 utc | 40 Posted by: liveload | Jan 27 2024 21:02 utc | 38 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 27 2024 21:06 utc | 41 Australia, Canada, Finland, Italy, and the U.K. have followed the lead of the United States in announcing a Total Halt in Funding for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), the U.N. Organization which is Responsible for Humanitarian Work in the Palestinian Territories, following reports yesterday from Israeli Officials that at least 12 of its Staff Members had Participated in the October 7th Massacre against Southern Israel. I don’t see how an Israeli invasion of Lebanon will end well. Not at all. Did they not learn anything from their previous failure? Posted by: mtw | Jan 27 2024 21:06 utc | 43 This guy is a whack job. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 27 2024 21:09 utc | 44
An accusation based on testimony from imprisoned Palestinians who (according to released incarcerated Palestinians) are subject to abuse and torture, and an allegation not proven in ANY court of law. Posted by: mtw | Jan 27 2024 21:09 utc | 45
I think you nailed it. If you believed Zionists were behind the assassinations of your uncle and your father, what would you say? Posted by: mtw | Jan 27 2024 21:12 utc | 46 Posted by: liveload | Jan 27 2024 21:02 utc | 38 Posted by: liveload | Jan 27 2024 21:12 utc | 47 liveload, Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 27 2024 21:15 utc | 48 Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 27 2024 21:06 utc | 40 Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 27 2024 21:06 utc | 41 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 27 2024 21:18 utc | 50 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 27 2024 21:18 utc | 49 Link to Tel Aviv post Posted by: mtw | Jan 27 2024 21:28 utc | 52 Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 27 2024 20:42 utc | 32 Posted by: Cynic | Jan 27 2024 21:35 utc | 53 Suppose with using AI they will now have capacity to deal with lesser irritants as well. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 27 2024 21:37 utc | 54 Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 27 2024 19:18 utc | 14 Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 27 2024 21:38 utc | 55 GAZA Posted by: Jaime | Jan 27 2024 21:38 utc | 56 But that’s not what Gaza wanted. Gaza wanted an immediate halt to the genocide, which has, sadly, not been achieved. Posted by: pq | Jan 27 2024 21:44 utc | 57 So an allegation that 7 people from 30,000 employees derived from intelligence ( confessions) made under torture from prisoners and without any court ruling or evidence presented is now acted upon by western nations. Hypocrites to the procedures of law. As the west always says wait for a court to prove allegations especially when its against politicians for corruption etc. All this the day after an adverse IJC finding against Israel. Posted by: Hankster | Jan 27 2024 21:50 utc | 58 @liveload | Jan 27 2024 21:02 utc | 38
Well. Hezbollah in Lebanon is far more powerful than Hamas in Gaza. We have seen how the Israeli forces have been unable to defeat Hamas in their drive for genocide on the Palestinian people. I do not believe they will be any more successful against Hezbollah, to put it that way. Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 27 2024 21:50 utc | 59 @ Aleph_Null | Jan 27 2024 19:20 utc | 15 Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jan 27 2024 21:54 utc | 60 hmmm Netyanhu complains about the ICJ findings just before Israel Holicaust observation Day.. great deliberate timing by South Africa????? Posted by: Jo | Jan 27 2024 21:58 utc | 61 @Posted by: mtw | Jan 27 2024 21:28 utc | 51 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 27 2024 21:59 utc | 62 b…should you head each Palestine thread with your previous ones..I sem to recall eg that ICJ is not ICC …and as Hamas is not a state it cannot be ordered a ceasefire . it is the action between Isr.and S A.that is ICJ jurisdiction….people still quoting Russia as ICJ .. new people now posting not read previous legal points ..etc… Posted by: Jo | Jan 27 2024 22:03 utc | 63 Patroklos @ 54 Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 27 2024 22:05 utc | 64 as Hamas is not a state it cannot be ordered a ceasefire. Posted by: Pq | Jan 27 2024 22:10 utc | 65 Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 27 2024 22:05 utc | 63 Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 27 2024 22:14 utc | 66 Aah yes thats the common denominator, the link. Superority complex. Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 27 2024 22:19 utc | 67 Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 27 2024 22:14 utc | 65 Posted by: Pq | Jan 27 2024 22:20 utc | 68 The real villain here is corporate media, MSM (Main Stream Media). Their silence, obfuscation and outright lies have been treasonous. Treason deserves execution. Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jan 27 2024 22:20 utc | 69 Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 27 2024 22:19 utc | 66 Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 27 2024 22:22 utc | 70 Posted by: Pq | Jan 27 2024 22:20 utc | 67 Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 27 2024 22:26 utc | 71 “But that’s not what Gaza wanted. Gaza wanted an immediate halt to the genocide, which has, sadly, not been achieved.” Posted by: Menz | Jan 27 2024 22:27 utc | 72 This article may be better than others about Biden on trial. I’m hoping this judge doesn’t take long to issue decision: Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 27 2024 22:29 utc | 73
Post of the year. Pass me some Qat Posted by: liveload | Jan 27 2024 22:32 utc | 74 Post of the year. Pass me some Qat Posted by: menz | Jan 27 2024 22:36 utc | 75 IFJ to take Israel to court if journalists are targeted Posted by: Menz | Jan 27 2024 22:44 utc | 76 Patroklos @ 69 Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 27 2024 22:44 utc | 77 https://informationclearinghouse.blog/2024/01/27/paradigm-shift/10/ Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 27 2024 22:48 utc | 78 Can anyone point me towards ANY EVIDENCE that UNRWA employees may have taken part in the October 7 attacks? Posted by: Menz | Jan 27 2024 22:50 utc | 79 Arya – آریا 🇮🇷 Posted by: Menz | Jan 27 2024 22:54 utc | 80 It seems that across Italy weekly Saturday Palestine protests that have been ongoing and had received permission were cancelled by the authorities THIS Saturday at the request of the Jewish community. Posted by: Pq | Jan 27 2024 22:56 utc | 81 “….But as starvation (etc) is a part of genocide, then I wonder if those seven countries really realise they are now included in the recent ruling at the Hague.” Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 27 2024 22:58 utc | 82 Alonso Gurmendi Posted by: Menz | Jan 27 2024 23:02 utc | 83 Can anyone point me towards ANY EVIDENCE that UNRWA employees may have taken part in the October 7 attacks? Posted by: Pq | Jan 27 2024 23:02 utc | 84 Here is the proof but allow me to translate: Posted by: Menz | Jan 27 2024 23:12 utc | 85 It’s like RFK Jr. Can’t seem to get a politician who is reasonable about other issues that also sees through the Zionist propaganda (or doesn’t fear for their life if they cross the Zionists). Posted by: malenkov | Jan 27 2024 23:14 utc | 86 which, nothing from The Times of Israel is admissible evidence in a Court of law. Posted by: Pq | Jan 27 2024 23:20 utc | 87 Seems likely that they’ll sacrifice Poland next. The E.U. is already over. Posted by: Robert Hope | Jan 27 2024 23:24 utc | 88 Here is the link to the US Federal Statute adopting the UN Convention Against Genocide. Its a simple quick read. Posted by: wilsonK | Jan 27 2024 23:28 utc | 89 According to the Egyptian Arabi 21 news website, Fayyad was asked by the US administration to “feel the pulse” of Hamas and other Palestinian factions in the Gaza Strip about the possibility that he would head the next Palestinian government. Posted by: Menz | Jan 27 2024 23:29 utc | 90 This is not the appropriate forum to discuss the matter but I sincerely hope that Mark2 is not offended by Patroklos’s comments. Posted by: bevin | Jan 27 2024 23:30 utc | 91 @DuchessAndBob #72 Posted by: Osori | Jan 27 2024 23:30 utc | 92 Would violation of the Genocide statute be grounds for Articles of Impeachment against sitting federal officials? Posted by: mtw | Jan 27 2024 23:33 utc | 93 Tameem | تميم Posted by: Menz | Jan 27 2024 23:35 utc | 94 Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 27 2024 22:14 utc | 65 Posted by: Siddhartha | Jan 27 2024 23:36 utc | 95 Posted by: Siddhartha | Jan 27 2024 23:36 utc | 94 Posted by: Siddhartha | Jan 27 2024 23:42 utc | 96 Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 27 2024 22:48 utc | 77 Posted by: Menz | Jan 27 2024 23:45 utc | 97 The decision to withhold funds from UNRWA based on allegations derived from “interrogations”, is rather pathetic, and appears orchestrated to create a propaganda meme of equivalency in response to the ICJ’s initial findings. Posted by: jayc | Jan 27 2024 23:47 utc | 98 Bevin @ 90 Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 28 2024 0:02 utc | 99 Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 27 2024 22:14 utc | 65 Posted by: Siddhartha | Jan 28 2024 0:12 utc | 100 |
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