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January 23, 2024

Palestine Open Thread 2024-026

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After Izzzy intelligence obtained Hamas' detailed plan for Oct 7th they analyzed it.

Important for analysis would be continuous monitoring of whether the reality on the ground - Hamas' current activities - matched the detailed plans.

So that is what they did. Unit 8200 "the Central Collection Unit of the Intelligence Corps" made the decision to stand-down and cease the real-time monitoring of the tactical communication of Hamas operatives on their radios.

Wait! Did I really mean "stand-down and cease monitoring"? They instead increased their diligence in monitoring. Right?

Nope. Unit 8200 claims that everyone up and down the military/intelligence chain of command approved the ceasing of monitoring.

So what is going on here?

It couldn't be a false-flag in progress as there are thousands of IDF troops surrounding the Gaza border, a false-flag could never work. Oh, there **were** thousands of troops until just before Oct 7th when they withdrew for temporary duty in the West Bank.

But a false-flag still wouldn't work. Hamas could be dispelled by the quick arrival of support troops.

Oh no, the troops didn't arrive in force for hours. What gives?

Still, a false-flag doesn't make sense unless there is a purpose. What good would the death of Izzzy civlians do? Oh, but it created blood lust which was then harnessed to "justify" the cleansing of Gaza and subsequently, the West Bank.

But, there would be no blood lust if the casualties were light. The Hannibal Directive wasn't implemented for that purpose was it? They didn't implement the Hannibal Directive for ulterior motives?

Or did they?

Posted by: librul | Jan 23 2024 14:20 utc | 1

It matters. If the Oct 7th treachery and betrayal on the part of the Zionist leadership is generally recognized
then they lose power.

Posted by: librul | Jan 23 2024 14:22 utc | 2

Those promoting the excuse that it was "hubris and incompetence" that explains the IDF failures on Oct 7th
are playing into the hands of the Zionist perps.

Posted by: librul | Jan 23 2024 14:25 utc | 3

Khan Younis now under siege from Israel. If you click on the "live" link on the homepage, you can scroll and read the updates as they come in (latest first). Just in case the link below does not automatically take you to the live reporting.


https://www.middleeasteye.net/live/israel-palestine-gaza-live-war-hamas-conflict

Posted by: teri | Jan 23 2024 14:42 utc | 4

From https://t.me/s/DDGeopolitics

21 IOF soldiers were killed in a single attack, according to Jerusalem Post. The IOF was using the building as an explosives dump and Hamas got them with RPGs through the windows. It collapsed the entire building and killed everyone inside. Hamas shows us yet again how they are clever and adaptable. When you have rocket teams hiding everywhere, you can quickly seize opportunities like this. https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-783287

confirmed here https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-783287

Posted by: ctiger | Jan 23 2024 14:55 utc | 5

two different perspectives from the Zionist government (from the Jerusalem Post article). Maybe this disaster will mobilize Israelis against this genocide of the Palestinians.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said "Precisely now it is clearer than ever - the war must not be stopped, the fighting must not be reduced. We must continue to subdue, crush and mow down the Nazi enemy in Gaza with all our might. " This guy is nothing short of a war criminal...

I like this guy:
Far-left Hadash MK Ofer Cassif gives his "condolences to the families affected and best wishes for a speedy and full recovery to the injured.

"Their blood is on the hands of this atrocious government that sacrifices masses just for its own survival. They led us into the abyss, and they have no one to blame but themselves! They, in a messianic nightmare, ask for houses on the beach to be built on the corpses of soldiers, hostages, and thousands of Palestinians.

"There must be an uncompromising and fearless alternative in front of them that will stop the rivers of blood! A Jewish-Arab alternative of justice, equality, and peace. These criminals must leave already! Elections now!"

Posted by: ctiger | Jan 23 2024 15:03 utc | 6

Can you give us a link to your debunking? I'd be interested to know how this fantasy worked. I couldn't imagine how 1800 km of unsecured road could ever work; the risk of attack would be too great.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 23 2024 9:40 utc | 154

Around Christmas “independent” and “reputable” news sites kept posting a story about evil GCC Arabs creating "a trucking land bridge from UAE to Israel". Everyone loves to hate on rich Arabs. One can create fantastic rumours from thin air and have them go viral without verification.

Backstory:

Hanan Fridman is CEO of a small Israeli company Trucknet. Trucknet.io

It’s a digital platform, basically a trucking app where one places bids, tracks real time.

In September 2023 they signed an MOU with Cox Logistics a Bahrain company founded in 2016 by a US Army Logistics Officer which services US military vehicle in KSA and Bahrain. They were very proud that Israeli tech would “infiltrate KSA” in this way.
https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/all-news/article-757844

In a November blog post in which Fridman equates Hamas with ISIS he quotes Churchill, "“Never let a good crisis go to waste”

So Fridman, whose company stock price is nosediving, gets to work.

In December Fridman gives interviews to Israeli media claiming there is a land corridor to subvert Yemen blockade, implying there is “official involvement”.

To Jewish News Syndicate Fridman declined to specify how many trucks were now running the land route daily, but noted that the maximum capacity is 300 trucks a day.

https://www.jns.org/uae-israel-land-corridor-operating-despite-war/

The UAE company that Trucknet claims to have partnered with is only one web page exactly the same as to Trucknet itself, an incomplete address and a twitter account opened this December with no content. Does this company even exist? And even if it does, for those who don’t know, the Jebel Ali Free Trade Zone rub by Dubai Ports has hundreds of companies from around the world.

Another interview: https://cars.walla.co.il/item/3629150
Fridman claims that 10 trucks made the journey. TEN. He CLAIMS.

In conclusion: “ Following the success of the pilot, Trucknet received first transport orders from spice importers in the country, and exporters of plastic and quarry products. Trucknet connects to truck owners' operating systems and locates trips where they are not fully utilized or empty. On the other hand, it presents the transport options to cargo owners looking for available freight, and carries out a tender for the cost of transport, in accordance with the minimum prices set by the truck owner. Once the winner and transport is found, the driver's app plans an optimal route according to the size of the truck and the loading and unloading points, so as not to put a long truck into a crowded urban area, and a high truck to a road where bridges are lower.”

And so, Fridman concludes “the Gulf states, Saudi Arabia and Jordan are helping Israel break through the Houthi siege.” (machine translation).

Perhaps he has found a few clients to use his app and send a few more trucks. It does not seem so because his stock price has tanked again after increasing a bit when he gave the interviews.

Israel can push outlandish stories about Palestinians and bigoted people believe them. The same mechanism is at work here. People like to hate rich Arabs and think the worst of them, fine. But at least use some common sense first. How would a couple of hundred trucks ever replace a container ship?

Posted by: pq | Jan 23 2024 15:36 utc | 7

palestinian refugees by the millions are coming to the West…Israel is reclaiming its territory…

MOA tears are delicious!

Posted by: Bye Bye palestine! | Jan 23 2024 16:08 utc | 8

RE: Posted by: Bye Bye palestine! | Jan 23 2024 16:08 utc | 8

“Millions”? … usual Western hyperbolic non-sensical drama.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 23 2024 16:24 utc | 9

MOA tears are delicious!

Posted by: Bye Bye palestine! | Jan 23 2024 16:08 utc | 8

Those aren't tears, it's piss. Drink up!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 23 2024 16:25 utc | 10

Looks like the Khazars got Elon over a barrel and are enthusiastically getting him in touch with his feminine side:

Elon Musk looks to ‘atone’ for Twitter debacle surrounding anti-Semitism

Time to get rid of that foreskin, Elon!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 23 2024 16:28 utc | 11

Posted by: pq | Jan 23 2024 15:36 utc | 7

Thanks very much for the detail and links. I always thought the idea of a trans-desert freight corridor was difficult to believe. More than the very occasional truck would be difficult to get through. The locals are hostile, and however dim they are, a large number of trucks would be noticed, and vulnerable to attack by jihadis of various attachments.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 23 2024 16:33 utc | 12

Meditation #13

The day will come when not only will "anti-semitism" be considered an unforgivable crime but "anti-zionism" will also be considered legally punishable.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 23 2024 16:38 utc | 13

Well done pq- another imperialist myth debunked under the sign of the Moon of Alabama.

To turn to a more general matter, Steel City Scribblings today has a quotation from Jon Schwartz that is so pertinent it's worth repeating

"Zionists from Herzl to Jabotinsky to Ben Gurion were clear they were engaged in settler colonialism; in an effort to permanently take land from its occupants as had the United States of America.
Everyone has to face this. The question of Israel is now whether a settler colonialism can make peace with the rest of the world without obliterating it. "

People are inclined to forget, in part because only the older generations can recall the extent to which it was believed, the power of the imperial idea- the Victorian belief in the hierarchy of races with the Amglo Saxons at the top, the Celts (impractical, romantic etc) below and, right at the bottom barely out of the ranks of brute animals, the indigenous peoples.

It was a philosphy which was all the more widely believed (in the face of mountains of contrary evidence) because so much depended on it. Every one of the setler colonies, which included both American continents. But that was only the start.

The entire pattern of Europe's predatory relationships with the rest of the world- the non-settler colonies such as India, Indonesia and Indo China but also including the entire world east of say the Elbe and west of Galway (though that is to forget the treatment of the 'inferior' Irish) were all held to be not plunder but assistance. By enslaving Africa Europeans were giving them a hand up, they were being exploited as part of a harsh, but justifiable, education.

Such are the bases of Israel. It is nothing to do with the Bible or archaeological evidence or the return of victims of persecution. It is an entirely anomalous, historically, imperial project- like the last child of a woman who suddenly gives birth on the brink of menopause.
A child destined to watch its parents slipping into decline from the beginning.

De Gaulle understood what the position of Israel was- like French Algeria it was doomed to destruction.

It is no accident that the most enthusiastic defenders of Israel, those who have placed themselves, morally and politically, in the 'last ditch' along with Netanyahu and the fascists, are the settler colonial regimes themselves (the US, Canada, Australia etc) who instinctively defend a country which is modelled in every detail on their own, historically illegitimate, societies. And, in the persons of the British and French, countries which have never disavowed in their state traditions, pageantry and ideology, the roles they played in setting up the settler colonies, justifying colonialism and retaining their immoral earnings.

Israel and its supporters are like men who justify rape on the grounds that women like it. Or, if they don't, benefit from it.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 23 2024 16:38 utc | 14

It will come down to the Zionazis offering to make peace if their Natzios minions are allowed to keep their stolen lands. That’s how their minds work - the khazars.

All such thousand cuts are connected - the Palestinians and Donbassians are the unfortunate innocents. Horrific.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 23 2024 16:41 utc | 15

Israel and its supporters are like men who justify rape on the grounds that women like it. Or, if they don't, benefit from it.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 23 2024 16:38 utc | 14

Or, on the grounds that it is better than being murdered ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 23 2024 16:56 utc | 16

@bevin #14

The landed English view of The Irish -19thC in Darwin

A most important obstacle in civilised countries to an increase in the number of men of a superior class has been strongly urged by Mr. Greg and Mr. Galton,18 namely, the fact that the very poor and reckless, who are often degraded by vice, almost invariably marry early, whilst the careful and frugal, who are generally otherwise virtuous, marry late in life, so that they may be able to support themselves and their children in comfort. Those who marry early produce within a given period not only a greater number of generations, but, as shewn by Dr. Duncan,19 they produce many more children. The children, moreover, that are born by mothers during the prime of life are heavier and larger, and therefore probably more vigorous, than those born at other periods. Thus the reckless, degraded, and often vicious members of society, tend to increase at a quicker rate than the provident and generally virtuous members.

Or as Mr. Greg puts the case: "The careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies like rabbits: the frugal, foreseeing, self-respecting, ambitious Scot, stern in his morality, spiritual in his faith, sagacious and disciplined in his intelligence, passes his best years in struggle and in celibacy, marries late, and leaves few behind him. Given a land originally peopled by a thousand Saxons and a thousand Celts—and in a dozen generations five-sixths of the population would be Celts, but five-sixths of the property, of the power, of the intellect, would belong to the one-sixth of Saxons that remained. In the eternal 'struggle for existence,' it would be the inferior and less favoured race that had prevailed—and prevailed by virtue not of its good qualities but of its faults."

https://scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts/2007/03/24/darwin-on-the-irish

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 23 2024 16:56 utc | 17

I don't know whether anybody's yet mentioned it, but I very much liked this 12 minute analysis from David Hearst of Middle East Eye: How Netanyahu's War could DESTROY Israel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61MjES_3iNE. Rather on the lines of Alastair Crooke's warnings.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 23 2024 17:02 utc | 18

Lots of details on the IDF debacle yesterday:

https://southfront.press/israeli-army-lost-21-servicemen-in-single-attack-in-gaza-strip/

Apparently - the IDF is trying to establish a 800 meter cleared zone inside the old Gaza Fence line. A tunnel entrance was also booby trapped, plus a escorting tank was wrecked.

Also note - last week 30 IDF weekend warriors were killed in a building demo. Al-Qassem lured the IDF into a pre-wired building and then let loose. It seems that these 2 incidents are being lumped together.

Posted by: Exile | Jan 23 2024 17:05 utc | 19

Don Firineach | Jan 23 2024 16:56 utc | 17

Sickening stuff. Not that, in practical terms, it meant that the Imperial ruling class was not staffed from top to bottom by Irishmen and Scottish Highlanders or that most of the routine and important decision making in places like Malaya, India and eg Nigeria was not in the capable hands of Malays, Indians and Nigerians, who among other things 'spoke the language.'

Victorian racial theories were transparently self serving ideologies and nowhere more than in Ireland. I am sure that Mr Greg, like Galton, was greatly esteemed in pre-war Germany's governing circles.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 23 2024 17:21 utc | 20

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 23 2024 16:33 utc | 12

You are welcome but I do not think it it has anything to do with jihadis.

There used to be a LOT of trucking from Jordan to UAE through Saudi, especially fruit and veg, food. Probably from Jordan to Saudi as well. I don't know about recent statistics.

There are good highways through Saudi I don't know of any terrorist issue.

Rather the falsehood was that the news tried to imply that

1. the governments were involved. They are not.

2. Even if an Israeli trucking agent did business using a UAE company (through nnormalisation agreement) that then transited through KSA and Jordan, htat this would be able to replace container shipping.


Posted by: Pq | Jan 23 2024 17:24 utc | 21

Australian police attack pro-Palestine protests blockading Israeli ships
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-australia-pro-palestine-protesters-blockading-israeli-ships-police-attack

“Legal observers from the Melbourne Activist Legal Support reported a case of a nurse being sprayed while attending to a sprayed person on the ground; they also reported a person in a wheelchair being manhandled and removed from his chair. He was then ordered to move while on the ground and pepper spray was used multiple times,”

One can only salute the protesters and their vow to continue despite this official intimidation. Hope there is a paper trail from the suspected CEO of the port.

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Jan 23 2024 17:24 utc | 22

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 23 2024 16:28 utc | 11

Looks like the Khazars got Elon over a barrel and are enthusiastically getting him in touch with his feminine side:

I am most interested in finding out just what they have on a man who is obscenely wealthy. Anybody have a guess or theory?

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 23 2024 17:30 utc | 23

As you can see from the photos here, THIS is what the Ocean Jazz, struck by Ansarullah earlier on today, routinely transports across the high seas: Death machinery, utilized by the US-'Israeli' Empire to slaughter Muslims in Palestine, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia and Afghanistan. source: Flobal Resistance Channel, Telegram.

And who owns the Ocean Jazz? There are two players: The first is the Harren Group, located in Germany. The owner is a Jew, Dr. Martin Harren. Yes, Harren is Jewish, a Hebrew simplification of "Aharon", and it means "high mountain". The German town of Haren is also home to many Jews, mostly Polish refugees, which was the site of a "Hey Rabbi, Whatcha Doing?!" type false flag in 2020.

And the second player behind the Ocean Jazz is Seabulk Fleet Management, a subsidiary of SEACOR, chaired by Eric Fabrikant and Bruce Weins... Two more Jews.

If there is war... death... massacres... and Gentile blood to drink... You are 99.9 times out of 100 guaranteed to find the Yahoud, particularly when it is related to Yemen, who they hate more than any other Islamic nation.

We note this because the moujahideen of the Yemeni Islamic Resistance didn't just have the right to HIT the Ocean Jazz... But to SINK the accursed thing if they so chose. Their maneuver was entirely, perfectly justified. On anti-imperialist grounds; on Anti-Zionist grounds; and most critically of all, on Islamic Anti-Parasitic grounds.

The age of Jewish free passage in the Red Sea is over. It's Ansarullah's rules... And Ansarullah's world now, Shlomo!

Posted by: End Jewish supremaci | Jan 23 2024 17:31 utc | 24

Don [email protected] all their 'faults' might I suggest you lend an ear to a Belfast trio aptly named Kneecap. They will air the first Irish language film at Sundance this year. Now it's a genre that some might turn a nose to, but sung in Gaelic.....well, it takes on an entirely new form. Such a beautiful soft flowing language.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 23 2024 17:33 utc | 25

....and before I get ripped for being OT, they are strong supporters of the Palestinian cause.....

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 23 2024 17:40 utc | 26

Excerpt Saudi FM interview with CNN:

CNN: Saudis are rich, are you going to pay to rebuild Gaza?

Saudi FM is quite sharp. He said no way normalisation if we are just going back to Oct 6 status quo.

He said it's not only about Gaza, but that we need stability in the region and that means statehood for Palestine. The day after can only be discussed after the current catastrophe is resolved.

If I were Saudi prince man, I would be rather pissed off. Nobody says a good word about me but expects me to pay for everything!!

What does any Arab country get from normalizing with Israel who considers them all Amaleks anyway??

If I made an agreement with Israel in exchange for my own security, how could I ever trust them?

If I were KSA or Kuwait I would be extra suspicious because a huge chunk of Saudi and most of Kuwait is in "Greater Israel".

While Israelis go to Dubai, almost no Arabs have visited Israel post normalisation. If they went to Al Aqsa, they'll be treated like Palestinians and beaten up by settlers and police.

I read that KSA wants from US civilian nuclear technology and crappy US weapons ...so US pressures them to accept Israel.

In exchange they would get bonus Mossad all over the country planning regime change.

Even if they are stooges, there should be low risks and some benefit to them.

Posted by: Pq | Jan 23 2024 17:41 utc | 27

There used to be a LOT of trucking from Jordan to UAE through Saudi, especially fruit and veg, food. Probably from Jordan to Saudi as well. I don't know about recent statistics. There are good highways through Saudi I don't know of any terrorist issue.

Posted by: Pq | Jan 23 2024 17:24 utc | 21

No, I wasn't suggesting you had the explanation wrong; you're certainly right. I'm aware that there was a lot of trucking. In the 80s, all the two-lane roads were rebuilt as dual highways. The change since 7th October is the massive resentment in the Arab world over what is happening to Palestine; the old quietude, which Israel relied on, has completely disappeared. Jordan is trying to keep the lid on the pressure, and succeeding to a degree, though Abdullah must be living in terror from day to day. Do not forget that Saudi is a state that was built on jihadism, and then, when Ibn Saud had finished conquering the country, had the jihadis massacred in 1937. But Saudi has continued to support jihadism abroad, as in 911, Syria, etc., but not allowed it at home. Openly flaunting Israeli trucks in columns on the highways across Saudi, would provoke very great resentment, and I'm sure MbS has enough sense not to allow it.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 23 2024 17:46 utc | 28

Credible reports Israel is dropping munitions disguised as food cans. Starvation being inflicted on a captive population by Israel, America and her lackeys. I am ashamed and disgusted by this. I'm at a loss for words.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 23 2024 17:49 utc | 29

It's been too rainy (or snowy) and windy for kite flying weather. We might have to resort to symbolic white kites as bumper stickers, or window decals. :) Ideally do-it-yourself projects involving printer paper, markers, and sticky tape for the cars' inside windows.

And if anyone asks who doesn't know, just say the white kites represents angels of love looking back at us smiling. :) Anyone who knows knows, and anyone who conspires to call that a hate symbol looks rightfully like a lunatic. (:

Posted by: titmouse | Jan 23 2024 17:52 utc | 30

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 23 2024 16:28 utc | 11

Looks like the Khazars got Elon over a barrel and are enthusiastically getting him in touch with his feminine side:

I am most interested in finding out just what they have on a man who is obscenely wealthy. Anybody have a guess or theory?

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 23 2024 17:30 utc | 23

Elon is a billionaire defense contractor ffs! He's in the club, even if he doesn't agree with every iota of policy from the current directors.

What do they 'have' on him? They have his rise to wealth and power. Do you think that just being an autistic genius is enough to become one of the richest people on earth? He was given access to capital, just like Ramaswamy, just like Epstein, like pharmabro, and so on. He was created by the inner circle of power for a purpose, and they can uncreate him. Epstein had a different purpose, no need to make him a billionaire. Vivek is slated to be the next Harvard/Yale president, the controlled Trump, a billionaire 'populist.'

Elon's main mission was to get the US military technology up to speed again- space craft, satellites, communications tech, because the people with brains at the heart of the system know that Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Yoyodine, etc are too corrupt to actually get anything done.

Elon's autism gives him a powerful attraction to sensible rules and equal enforcement, so he gets out of line sometimes, but he is not a free agent, not an independent actor, and once in a while someone reminds him of that.

While I have no trust in any billionaire, Elon is a legit genius, unlike Gates, etc. and his autism gives him a rigidity of thought that makes it hard for him to bend or dissemble. That combination has already proven to be a pain in the ass for the PTB, and may well cause all kinds of chaos down the road as Elon learns how things really work, and why. So, even though he is, objectively, a scumbag billionaire military contractor who controls in not always positive ways a big chunk of social media, I am a fan. I think he will do interesting things that people I hate don't like.

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 23 2024 18:05 utc | 31

I am most interested in finding out just what they have on a man who is obscenely wealthy. Anybody have a guess or theory?

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 23 2024 17:30 utc | 23

I'm pretty sure about the following:

1. Elon's entire life has a construct of rich, Jewish oligarchic interests pushing forward as the frontman of their investments.
2. His entire wealth is in actual fact not due to his own brilliance and hard work but in fact the result of funding by the American MIC obtained through influence of a circle of Jewish oligarchic interests to which he must have sworn allegiance to or indebted himself to at an early age - I'd estimate around the time his brother founded PayPal.
3. Having somehow inserted himself into a circle of Jewish oligarchs, of which of course the majority of them would have been die hard Zionists (name a Jewish oligarch who is not a Zionist?) he would have acted as a money mule for laundering wealth in various schemes masquerading as venture capital investments.

At this point, the threat could be made to reveal that he really achieved nothing on his own and is entirely a creation of the US MIC-Zionist-Complex or the threat could be made to simply remove him from his role as the administrator of the very large MIC venture capital fund masquerading as a business empire.

4. During Musk's long and intimate association with the Jewish oligarch class he would have certainly been forced to participate in certain "rites of passage" to remain within the circles of power: Orgies, illegal financial transfers and investments, association with wanted persons, acquisition and trade in illegal items etc ... All of this would have been recorded as "kompromat", to be used at a future time.

Fundamentally, Musk's apparently obscene wealth is a facade. He is in fact merely an administrator for the venture capital of the American MIC, mediated by the American Jewish Oligarchical class.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 23 2024 18:05 utc | 32

While I have no trust in any billionaire, Elon is a legit genius,

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 23 2024 18:05 utc | 31

While I agree with the rest of your post I would disagree here.

Elon has never, not once in his publicly recorded life, carried out an act of genius.

In fact, the bulk of what he has demonstrated is mere midwittery supported by tons of money and I hype.

I hold as Exhibit A, The Hyperloop ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 23 2024 18:09 utc | 33

@ bevin | Jan 23 2024 16:38 utc | 14
It was good to read you mentioning De Gaulle and Algeria – this reminds me very much of the German/French writer Peter Scholl-Latour. He described how he was witnessing the end of French Algeria in 1950s; I do not know if you can read German, but if you do, I recommend his books. In one of them he quotes the French General Massu – who admitted that the French ended up in the blood and shit (‘nous avons glissé dans le sang et dans la merde’) while fighting the Arabs in kasbah. (Kampf dem Terror - Kampf dem Islam?, 2002 ).

De Gaulle was a statesman and had the judgment to leave Algeria, and took the risk of being assassinated by the French colonists, who felt betrayed by him. Peter Scholl Latour suspects (in my interpretation) that the situation in Israel would end similarly, if the Jews in Israel will not learn to live in peace with their Palestinian cousins.

I am awe struck by some observers like Scholl – Latour, and some statesmen, like De Gaulle and Nasrallah, who have predicted the future events – they all have seen the beginning of the end of Pax Americana, the end of colonialism, the end of NATO. Needless to say, they all became ‘enemies of USA’

Posted by: fanto | Jan 23 2024 18:09 utc | 34

Re: booby trapping food cans..from Quds news originally found on telegram:

Link to quds news here

Words fail me. Mainstream journalists are actively aiding and abetting a genocide.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 23 2024 18:16 utc | 35

Reading the list of the 21 reservists killed in the bomb blast, I was struck by the fact that not one of them was lower ranked than Sergeant. Are there no ordinary soldiers in the IDF?

Posted by: Kane | Jan 23 2024 18:17 utc | 36

@ Sean #25,26

Irish hip-hop trio Kneecap and Dublin-based creative agency The Tenth Man have teamed up on a stunt to celebrate the premiere of the band’s first film, ‘Kneecap’. Last night, the band arrived on the red carpet at the Sundance Film Festival in a fully kitted-out Northern Irish PSNI Land Rover, complete with the band’s name spray-painted across the vehicle.


https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/video-news/watch-kneecap-arrive-at-sundance-film-premiere-in-psni-land-rover/a390549200.html

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 23 2024 18:20 utc | 37

"What does any Arab country get from normalizing with Israel who considers them all Amaleks anyway??

If I made an agreement with Israel in exchange for my own security, how could I ever trust them?

If I were KSA or Kuwait I would be extra suspicious because a huge chunk of Saudi and most of Kuwait is in "Greater Israel".

Posted by: Pq | Jan 23 2024 17:41 utc | 27

The problem is that KSA and other rich Arab states and , more importantly their Elites, have huge investments with the West and are quite confident if they much more 'get out of line' the West will sanction their assets faster than you can say 'Jackie Robinson' as they did to Russia.

Not to mention KSA American military technology cannot be used on the Empire and KSA's army is crap anyways so as much as these countries would like to 'give it to the Empire' they do have these tremendous constraints.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 23 2024 18:22 utc | 38

Posted by: Kane | Jan 23 2024 18:17 utc | 36
Reading the list of the 21 reservists killed in the bomb blast, I was struck by the fact that not one of them was lower ranked than Sergeant. Are there no ordinary soldiers in the IDF?

I noticed that, maybe money from the US taxpayers pays their salary so their rank is artificially inflated....

Posted by: ctiger | Jan 23 2024 18:23 utc | 39

Elon has never, not once in his publicly recorded life, carried out an act of genius.

In fact, the bulk of what he has demonstrated is mere midwittery supported by tons of money and I hype.

I hold as Exhibit A, The Hyperloop ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 23 2024 18:09 utc | 33

Yes, access to other people's money is the key to his success, but that's irrelevant. Success is not the measure of genius, and MOST geniuses are failures by the measures of contemporary society. Elon would be too, without other people's money, and of course, those other people have something to say about what he does with it. I don't believe that he is the one who chooses what needs to be done, but we can see in the way he goes about it that he is by no means a midwit like the upper echelons of the rest of the MIC. Just the fact that he hires on the basis of ability instead of certifications sets him apart.

There are good reasons for not putting geniuses in charge of things, but Elon is not really in control. The problem is that his abilities and proclivities may well him to find an 'outside the box' solution to that, in the impending chaos, and take control into his own hands, as barons often do. What happens if Elon does get into a position to make his own decisions is anybody's guess, but I think that when he attempts to, it will cause all sorts of unanticipated shocks to the system.

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 23 2024 18:25 utc | 40

Re: Paying to Rebuild Gaza;

Israel, in accordance with UNR 194 and UNSC 2334 as well as ICJ Opinion (2004) is responsible for paying for damages it causes to Palestine property.

Posted by: Exile | Jan 23 2024 18:27 utc | 41

Re: Elon Musk

Arch‘s analysis is mostly correct. BTW -Musk is likely ethnically Jewish.

Posted by: Exile | Jan 23 2024 18:28 utc | 42

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 23 2024 16:56 utc | 17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 23 2024 18:56 utc | 43

More Elon Musk courtesy Caitlin Johnstone:
Elon Musk has named his newborn son “X Æ A-1”, which is pronounced “Elon Musk is an insufferable wanker”.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 23 2024 18:56 utc | 44

Doctor Eleven | Jan 23 2024 18:16 utc | 35

In Mariupol, one of the booby traps there was a grenade placed in a glass to hold the lever in. This was then tied to the cupboard or fridge door so that when the door was opened the glass would smash on the floor and alow the lever to pop out.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 18:58 utc | 45

Musk is a stalking horse. A made man with invisible support.

So many well documented obvious scams were swept under the rug.

. cave rescue mini-sub pedo slander
. giant NV giga-factory copper theft and cover up.
. NV giga-factory cartel drug dealing.
. solar shingles solar city inside dealing.
. billion dollar NY development that was spent elsewhere.
. robotaxis built in a tent.
. TSLA magically qualifies for irregular S&P 500 listing.

https://www.google.com/search?q=karl+hansen+musk+whistleblower

Musk's brand of mediocrity and magical thinking is a literal car crash.

Posted by: too scents | Jan 23 2024 18:59 utc | 46

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 23 2024 18:56 utc | 44

One wonders if he bribes these women who will actually be raising the kids. Thing is the mother of that one doesn't need Elon's money but she's as weird as he is.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 23 2024 19:03 utc | 47

Hamas refused the offer of releasing all hostages in exchange for genocide restarting in 60 days

Smh

Posted by: Pq | Jan 23 2024 19:15 utc | 48

The genocide in Gaza continues with no let up, and now half a million Gazans are facing death from starvation.

The genocide, and the starvation imposed by Israel, are met with - a flood - of words from the rest of the world. Not food, not water, not medicine, not fuel, not PROTECTION. Just words.

NOTHING has been done, out of so much that could be done, regardless of, and despite the Zionist violence and crimes. The cowardice of the allegedly potent states, and all the others, is simply appalling. Unforgivable. There is no excuse.

I attach a Hamas appeal to prevent death from starvation in Gaza, one of numerous such appeals in the last days.

These appeals TO INTEREVENE to stop the deliberate starvation of Gazans will end with - no one intervening.

The world is letting the Palestinians die every possible type of death because it does not REALLY care, just as it hasn't cared for a century. The US criminal regime certainly does not care, but neither does anyone else. All are just looking after their own interests.

There is no humanity left, it is one of the grand illusions.

https://english.palinfo.com/reports/2024/01/23/313253/


Posted by: JB | Jan 23 2024 19:16 utc | 49

Last night Lavrov was interviewed by CBS with the transcript being published today. All manner of topics were mentioned with the CBS presstitute behaving as expected. The translation and some short commentary is available here, "Lavrov Interviewed by CBS".

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 23 2024 19:34 utc | 50

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 23 2024 18:05 utc | 31

He must have turned starlink back on for the ukros or we'd never have heard the end of it.

Let us know when he does something you like. I wouldn't hold your breath. Mean tweets don't count.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 23 2024 19:57 utc | 51

Bodycam footage of IDF weekend warriors hopelessly befuddled in close combat. Poorly trained utterly confused. No wonder all they can do is Blind Rage atrocities against women and children Tragic


https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1749821844838924501?s=20

Posted by: Exile | Jan 23 2024 19:57 utc | 52

Pxx,

About halfway through, I finally realized they were all dead men walking.

Posted by: Exile | Jan 23 2024 20:33 utc | 53

Hezbollah has hit Meron air control center in north Israel, which has drastically reduce combat sorties.

https://t.me/Anlystintel/15129

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 23 2024 20:55 utc | 54

fanto | Jan 23 2024 18:09 utc | 34
Alas I cannot read or speak German. My father could, as could my father in law. Both spoke several languages, my father was fluent in Arabic from one end of Arabia to the other. My father in law Russian Finnish and Hungarian as well as the western European languages.
I can barely read English. I blame rock 'n' roll.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 23 2024 21:07 utc | 55

Israel Supreme | Jan 23 2024 21:10 utc | 57
Seek help. NATO will not save you

Posted by: bevin | Jan 23 2024 21:13 utc | 56

Keep crying MOA losers!

Posted by: Israel Supreme | Jan 23 2024 21:10 utc | 57

Keeping sheeting where you eat. Brilliant Strategy.

Posted by: kupkee | Jan 23 2024 21:21 utc | 57

Take you 1 minute, 15 minutes, 4 - 16 times per day, to make an internal reflection about all you have read in your life.

And, think:

Why the humans are prone to conflict between themselves?

Why the humans are prone to genocide other humans?

Is it nature or culture?

The thing is that we are contempleting the death of our human brothers in a massive sacrifice: with what purpose?

The 7 basic qualities of the human consciousness:

Under the diafhragm

1. Lust: gonades
2. Sloth: kidneys and spleen.
3. Gluttonity: stomach and guts.
4. Wrath: liver.

Beetween the diaphragm and the head:

5. Envy: laringe.
6. Greed: heart.

Between the neck and the head:

7. Pride: head.

The thing is that we are sacrificing millions for nothing, just blood: under the collective diafhargm, the same archetypes are strugling with we are: before any fucking intent to be more, we must be humble, and, for the sake, the same, as humans.

This bloody sacrifice, this human mess between humans who try to be Ants.

BtW: We are "sapiens". The best manifestation of the self-consciouss-ness in this area of the known Universe.


Posted by: David | Jan 23 2024 21:38 utc | 58

Ireland and the ICJ

South Africa’s case against Israel in International Court of Justice is valid, Taoiseach (Prime Minister] says

Varadkar says Attorney General will travel to The Hague next month to make a submission on Ireland’s behalf

The Government agrees that South Africa’s case against Israel under the Genocide Convention in the International Court of Justice (ICJ) is “valid”, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said.

Mr Varadkar said the Government will wait until South Africa files its main case and then decide “on the nature of any intervention”. He said the Government was committed to supporting any decision of the ICJ on preliminary measures.

“We will wait until South Africa files its memorial, its main case, we will consider it and, at that point, we’ll decide on the nature of any intervention,” he said. “But we do agree that South Africa’s case is valid.”

The Taoiseach was speaking on Tuesday, as the Government put forward a motion in the Dáil condemning the ongoing bombardment of Gaza.

The motion also said it would “strongly consider” an intervention in the South Africa v Israel case at the ICJ, “as a matter of urgency” after the Court has made its order on preliminary measures and the filing by South Africa of its memorial in the case.

Separately, the Taoiseach also said the Attorney General will travel to The Hague next month to make a submission on Ireland’s behalf, in person, in an existing case involving Israel’s actions in Palestine and the West Bank.

Mr Varadkar said the AG will travel to the ICJ on February 22nd and this demonstrated the Government “take these things seriously”.

“That relates to an existing case before the ICJ in relation to Israel’s actions in Palestine and the West Bank,” he said.

“So I hope that proves that we’re taking this seriously, that we take the ICJ seriously, we want to do this properly, just as we have with that case, and just as we did in relation to Ukraine.”

Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs Micheál Martin said the Government would have to see South Africa’s memorial, its “substantive presentation” to the ICJ on the issue of genocide, before making a decision.

“We would make a decision not just if we decide to join, but on what basis would we join and what are the arguments we would make in the context of the convention itself which is important.” he said.

“We must have a strong legal basis to do this. Interventions by states are not about joining one side or the other. They aim to assert a legal interpretation of the issue at hand.”

The Social Democrats will introduce a Dáil motion on Wednesday morning calling on the Government to support South Africa’s case against Israel under the Genocide Convention.

Social Democrats leader Holly Cairns said the Government’s approach “lacks courage” and while it was “faffing around”, other countries were making their intentions clear.

“Germany has already announced they will intervene in the case on the side of Israel, saying they firmly and explicitly reject the accusation of genocide. The US and the UK have also made their views clear,” she said.

“They have rubbished South Africa’s case as meritless and unjustified. Western countries are lining up to support Israel. There could not be more of a pressing need for countries like Ireland to signal their support for South Africa now.”

Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald said the “apartheid Israeli regime” was “hell-bent” on erasing the Palestinian nation from “the face of the earth”.

Ms McDonald said the people of Gaza were “threatened with annihilation” while Israel had been given “free rein to commit its war crimes against the Palestinian people with impunity”.

She said the people of Gaza were running out of time and Ireland needed to act and be clear and to take a case against Israel and join with South Africa in the ICJ.

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/01/23/government-agrees-that-south-africas-case-against-israel-in-international-court-of-justice-is-valid/

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 23 2024 21:51 utc | 59

Let us know when he does something you like. I wouldn't hold your breath. Mean tweets don't count.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 23 2024 19:57 utc | 51

He's already done something I like: whipsawed the right on free speech absolutism. He's a billionaire, I'm not expecting him to make anything better, but he has so much potential for creating little shit storms that rattle people's understanding of how things work he's fun to have around. Much like Trump in that respect, although Trump probably has more genuine empathy for the working class than Elon. Not enough for him to reform the banking system, let alone jettison capitalism, but Elon isn't going to do those things either. They're both destabilizers, though, even when they're doing what the elite want them to do.

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 23 2024 21:52 utc | 60

Posted by: bevin | Jan 23 2024 16:38 utc | 14

You are talking about "WEOG".

It was Craig Mokhiber the UN HRC head guy who resigned who brought it to my attention. He talked about the undue influence of WEOG at the UN in ensuring that Israel has been able to evade international law.

WEOG is the only non geographical dialogue grouping at the UN and it is basically mostly all the settler colonialists who have closed ranks behind Israel.

Western Europe and Others Group. So it includes the European countries that were the number one source of emigraants for hundreds of year to the settler colonies; and the settler colonies themselves:USA, Can, AUs, NZ and of course Israel.

It does not include all settler colonies eg Chile and Argentina but it is a pretty close approximation of the source of settler colonialism and the destination countries.

Posted by: pq | Jan 23 2024 21:57 utc | 61

Posted by: Exile | Jan 23 2024 19:57 utc | 52

Dude is clutching his blankie to his face and rocking...

No wonder they issue these guys diapers.

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 23 2024 21:58 utc | 62

I am struck by the very short term thinking that is currently taking place by the leadership of the US and its western "partners".

The US has quickly lost all "moral" authority to the average global citizen which it had carefully built up since the end of WW2. Whether this authority was "real" is of course very much up for debate as it can easily be demolished by examples such as Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan and other very clear examples of this "moral" authority being violated, but however it was not clear to the average person in the world.

This more than anything turbocharges the US decline, especially domestically. We may say who cares about moral authority? Moral authority is very important in actually getting people motivated enough to care the direction of a country and participate in civic life including joining the military.

I see short/medium term the US having to pull out the middle east if any actor calls the "ground troops" bluff by seriously hitting US assets, yes there will be an air/missile attack by the US but we see the futility and limited success of said efforts against hardened targets in all the conflicts currently. I see very little to no appetite internally in the United States for any ground action which is what would be needed to seriously change the dynamics in the favor of the US in the middle east.

In fact the media/politicians/neocons/etc, studiously avoid even implying the fact that ground troops would be needed in any of the current conflicts. It goes to show how disciplined all the actors are at the moment that only the Houthis have called this bluff indirectly and the US has declined to engage on the ground.

Posted by: silverdog | Jan 23 2024 22:12 utc | 63

Bellwether for decline of usa hegemony is TEXIT. Texas has long debated separation from the union like California, but Texas is at least at a voting stage. If it succeeds that's a very powerful internal disintegration move.

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 23 2024 22:27 utc | 64

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/historic-victory-in-doha-palestine-punched-ticket-to-afc-asian-cup-round-of-16/

Amid all the bad news, Palestine has made it to the Round of 16 in the Asian cup.

Some may say why are we talking about football when Israel is shelling hospitals in Southern Gaza as I write this.

I think from the player's perspective, it's a huge deal. For them life must go on. At least they're not in Gaza getting killed and reminding everyone about Palestine.

"Their victory however would have not been possible if it were for the massive support they received in Doha, as they were cheered on by tens of thousands of Palestinian, Arab and Asian fans.

“Thank you to the fans who are coming to support Palestine,” captain Musab al-Battat told beIN SPORTS after the game."

Just ridiculous how hard it is to simply survive in Gaza and West Bank.

https://sarajevotimes.com/palestinian-sports-will-never-be-the-same-again-as-many-as-55-football-players-were-killed/

https://www.aljazeera.com/sports/2023/10/30/israelis-war-on-gaza-hits-palestinian-football

"With football on an indefinite hiatus, Palestine national team players tried to leave for other countries. The deteriorating security situation in the occupied West Bank meant many of them were unable to travel between cities due to violence by Israeli settlers on the roads.

“Our team doctor tried to travel from his village to Ramallah but had to turn back because settlers attacked his car. They threw a big boulder at him, which smashed his windshield,” a current national team player, who wished to remain anonymous, told Al Jazeera. “He was lucky to escape alive.”

With the land crossing with Jordan closed for hours on end, Palestine were forced to withdraw from a tournament in Malaysia held from October 13 to 17.

All of the national team did eventually make it out of the country on Monday but were able to do so only after security was provided by the PA. Coordination with Jordan’s Prince Ali bin Al Hussein, who is also the president of the Jordan Football Association, was required to open the border and ensure the team’s safe passage."

Posted by: pq | Jan 23 2024 22:34 utc | 65

Second Phase started after US attacked PMU forces in Iraq

Iraqi Resistance leader Abu Alaa al-Walai:

“At a time when the criminal American occupation is again blatantly targeting our security forces and our sacred PMF/PMU in a number of areas of Iraq, we urge the Mujahideen of the Islamic Resistance in Iraq to begin the second phase of their blessed operations, which includes enforcing the blockade on Zionist maritime navigation in the Mediterranean Sea, and removing the entity’s ports until the Zionist usurper is out of service, and this will continue until the unjust siege on Gaza is lifted, and the horrific Zionist massacres against its people are stopped.”

TLDR: Mediterrane Sea Blockade started

Posted by: AntiZion | Jan 23 2024 22:37 utc | 66

Dan of Steel # 23
"I am most interested in finding out just what they have on a man who is obscenely wealthy. Anybody have a guess or theory?"

I found this: Witney Webb has extensively researched Jeffrey Epstein and authored "One Nation Under Blackmail" At about the 1:40 minute mark she discusses Elon Musk and his brother in connection to Epstein.
https://youtu.be/P_E7H45cXZo?si=jJ3Cl-wOAlMi_8IK

Posted by: Willow | Jan 23 2024 22:41 utc | 67

Arch Bungle #33
"Musk has never once in his life carried out an act of genius."
In 2010 3 senior Tesla engineers die in plane crash. Were they the real brains behind Tesla?
https://spectrum.ieee.org/mourning-a-few-notsoordinary-ees

Posted by: Willow | Jan 23 2024 22:58 utc | 68

ctiger @5
"However, IDF sources brushed off these objections, saying that the air force cannot be everywhere and it is prioritized to attacking active Hamas units, not for just blowing up structures " (quote)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Obviously, this group was tasked with "just blowing up structures."
Domicide.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 23 2024 23:00 utc | 69

"Fundamentally, Musk's apparently obscene wealth is a facade. He is in fact merely an administrator for the venture capital of the American MIC, mediated by the American Jewish Oligarchical class."

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 23 2024 18:05 utc | 32

I, for a long time really thought (and hoped) Elon was the real deal.

Now after a few years I agree with you, Arch. He is controlled opposition given his marching orders/financings by the City. It looks like he is saving 'freedom of speech' on X yet it/Elon could be essentially be the Pied Piper.

JP Morgan was a huge American financier, he saved Wall Street from a crash in 1907 which paved the way, the excuse for the City, to install the Federal Reserve on December 24, 1913 to 'prevent future market distortions'.

Morgan died in March of 1913 and guess what his estate was worth?-just over a million dollars. Even 100 years ago that isn't much for a big financier.

Because JP Morgan was nothing more than a well paid agent for the City disguising the source of his capital..

Elon is much the same creature in my opinion.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 23 2024 23:01 utc | 70

RIA Novosti reports on Lavrov's statement at today's UN Security Council open meeting on Palestine. (Machine translation):

Russia proposes to convene consultations at the ministerial level to work out steps to promote the restoration of Palestinian unity, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said.

"After stopping the acute phase of the current crisis, which should be facilitated by the Security Council's joint call for a ceasefire, we propose to convene consultations at the ministerial level to consolidate the positions of key regional players and develop practical steps on this basis to promote the restoration of Palestinian unity," the minister said at an open debate of the UN Security Council on the Palestinian issue.

At the next stage, the format of the international conference on the Middle East settlement will be in demand, he noted.

"The purpose of such a conference is the proclamation of a Palestinian state, the elaboration of measures to ensure reliable security for Israel and to normalize its relations with Arab and, in general, with all Muslim countries," Lavrov stressed.

Lavrov called on members of the UN Security Council "not to postpone until better times" the creation of a Palestinian state, calling this issue a "moral duty of the international community."

"I would like to once again urge the members of the (UN Security Council - ed.) not to succumb to exhortations that Washington supposedly has everything under control, that the United States is solving issues "on the ground", and not to postpone once again until better times the issue of creating a Palestinian state," Lavrov said at a meeting of the Security Council The United Nations in New York.
The Minister noted the importance of the Security Council "not only reconfirming the lack of alternative to the existing international legal framework on this issue, but also outlining further ways and deadlines for its implementation."

"This is a moral duty of the international community, and we urge it to be fulfilled," Lavrov concluded.

Posted by: JB | Jan 23 2024 23:01 utc | 71

Re: Lavrov

I am unimpressed and frankly disgusted by Russia. All they care about is Israeli security.

Russia has been part of the Quartet BLOCKING Palestine statehood and supporting Israel for the last 20 years from 2002 to 2021.

Along with US, UK, UN.

Russia is again trying to subvert international law in favour of a political process.

Just apply the freaking law to Israel. Arrest the war criminals, vacate enough houses in Israel for Palestinians to live in while Israel pays for Gaza to be rebuilt.

Why the F is he bringing in normalisation of Israel? Who wants to normalize with a genocidal psychopath???????

Palestinians don't need to be united. They can have 20 political parties like other countries if that's what they want.

Abolish the damn UN.

Russia: you were screaming about genocide in Donbas and you can't even endorse South Africa's application to the ICJ.

Posted by: Pq | Jan 23 2024 23:12 utc | 72

Posted by: canuck | Jan 23 2024 23:01 utc | 72

Morgan died in March of 1913 and guess what his estate was worth?-just over a million dollars.

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Not even close.

His estate was worth $68.3 million ($1.39 billion in today's dollars based on CPI, or $25.2 billion based on share of GDP), of which about $30 million represented his share in the New York and Philadelphia banks. The value of his art collection was estimated at $50 million.[100]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._P._Morgan

Posted by: john brewster | Jan 23 2024 23:17 utc | 73

War machine, more a war pram , dummy spits and stinky nappies. Firmly attached to the teat secure in the knowledge the parent colony will provide.

For the first time I support a israeli one state , if there's equal voting rights and services to all. For the one reason I know Israel never will allow that , and HAS to eradicate all Arabs from the state and its future lands. Demographics. Israel will be out bred in a few decades and out voted within their own country. There's not a dam thing they can do about it. No amount of jew hate all over the planet will draw enough to israel to balance the simple fact that Arabs will multiply faster and end up being the dominant voting block. So even the Zionist dream of submission and integration like the druze are paraded about as , will never be a reality. Israel simply can't have any variations of state that have Arabs included. That's why we are at the Jewish state for the jews only , it's on borrowed time and they know it.

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 23 2024 23:19 utc | 74

john brewster | Jan 23 2024 23:17 utc | 76
Thanks John.
The importance of JP Morgan and the rise of US finance is too important for it to become the sport of people, like canuck, trying to construct a theology around the idea of The City.
The City was and is of enormous importance in the world of haute finance. Which is all the more reason to treat it on the basis of historical facts rather than myths.

What you did was a small matter. But let it pass uncontradicted and soon enough an entire ideology will have been built around what is- though I don't think canuck and his fellows realise this- an ancient anti-masonic, anti-semitic mythology in which humanity's enemies are not classes of people with economic interests directly opposed to those of society as a whole, but secretly convened conspiracies of malicious agents acting, in the final analysis, like the old ladies in Salem, for the Evil One.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 23 2024 23:49 utc | 75

I can barely read English. I blame rock 'n' roll.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 23 2024 21:07 utc | 56
================

It's never too late to learn.
Try Duolingo. It's free.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 24 2024 0:03 utc | 76

bevin | Jan 23 2024 23:49 utc | 78
***... in which humanity's enemies are not classes of people with economic interests directly opposed to those of society as a whole, but secretly convened conspiracies of malicious agents ***

So these people -- that class -- don't connive in collaboration with each other ... don't buy the big political parties such that the State becomes their happy hunting ground and even a source of subsidisation ... don't act as cartels ... don't use their influence and wealth warp the laws ... etc.?

If they're not *malicious*, not *conspiratorial* and not inclined to act in both furtive and overt unison *contrary to the public good* -- why did Adam Smith find it necessary to warn in his writings against them and their conduct?

Posted by: Cynic | Jan 24 2024 0:08 utc | 77

Posted by: bevin | Jan 23 2024 23:49 utc | 78

----

I can't contribute much on this board. I have no inside info on foreign policy. But, I can call out historical BS from the LaRouche/Ehret-Kump faction.


BTW, J.P. Morgan earned his fortune the old-fashioned way. He inherited it.

Junius Spencer Morgan I (April 14, 1813 – April 8, 1890) was an American banker and financier, as well as the father of John Pierpont "J.P." Morgan and patriarch to the Morgan banking house.

In 1864, he established J. S. Morgan & Co. in London as the successor to George Peabody & Co., of which he was junior partner. With his son's aid, Morgan grew his banking house into a trans-Atlantic financial empire that included firms in London, New York City, Philadelphia, and Paris. By the time of his death in 1890, the Morgan banks were dominant forces in government and railroad finance, and his was the pre-eminent American banking house.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junius_Spencer_Morgan

He inherited it from one of the oldest families in America.

The Morgan name is traced to Carmarthen, Wales, with his earliest known ancestor being Hyfaidd ap Bleddri, third son of Bledri ap Cydifor of Wales. Miles Morgan, ancestor to the Morgan family in America, emigrated from Bristol, England to Boston in 1636.

The claim that Pierpont died "poor" is ludicrous on its face. He was a golden child. The claim that the Morgan's were a tool of the city is equally ludicrous. Junius actually rescued a big firm that went under in The City. The Morgan's weren't owned by The City. The Morgan's owned a big chunk of The City.

Posted by: john brewster | Jan 24 2024 0:32 utc | 78

This evening I came across the following book review from 2013 of "The Crescent and the Temple" by Pamela Berger. I found it really fascinating as a study of The Dome on the Rock in Jerusalam, and I'm sad that modern times have destroyed memories of the traditions associated with this holy place:

https://digitalcommons.unomaha.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1055&context=id-journal

Thanks to Michael Hudson for reminding us that the events of last October began October 2nd. Or rather, they began more than 1300 years ago when the building was first built.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 24 2024 0:34 utc | 79

In 2010 3 senior Tesla engineers die in plane crash. Were they the real brains behind Tesla?

Posted by: Willow | Jan 23 2024 22:58 utc | 70

Remember that musk didn't even start Tesla. He bought it from an actual genius and innovator:

"Tesla, Inc., American manufacturer of electric automobiles, solar panels, and batteries for cars and home power storage. It was founded in 2003 by American entrepreneurs Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning and was named after Serbian American inventor Nikola Tesla."

All musk did was show up with the moneybags.

These days all the innovation musk is doing is encrapulating a decent foundation for electric cars with dodgy a.i of minimal utility.

A game even BYD is handily beating him - and we hear nothing of the geniuses at BYD.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 24 2024 0:34 utc | 80

Russia: you were screaming about genocide in Donbas and you can't even endorse South Africa's application to the ICJ.
Posted by: Pq | Jan 23 2024 23:12 utc | 75

States are amoral entities.
Russia is no exception.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 24 2024 0:50 utc | 81

Good Grief

Somebody needs to invent a quick trendy popular phrase completely equivalent ( and opposite ) to "Anti- Semitic". Maybe "Ethnic Supremacy". Or expand 'anti-semitic' to include Palestinians, not just Jews.

And while we're at it, why don't conservatives insist on a proper definition/use of "racism"? If you hate white/black/brown whatever you're a racist, period. Seize the field of memes and discourse.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 24 2024 0:59 utc | 82

@ bevin | Jan 23 2024 21:07 utc | 56
bevin (with Big b)- you are too humble. But, being good in one language beats a waiter in a high class restaurant, who speaks 3 or 5 languages. Something similar is attributed to Adenauer, who allegedly could not speak any other language than German, and who was defending his handicap.

Posted by: fanto | Jan 24 2024 1:05 utc | 83

Posted by: silverdog | Jan 23 2024 22:12 utc | 65
I am struck by the very short term thinking that is currently taking place by the leadership of the US and its western "partners". …etc.
Very true and spot on.
Also, if the collective west do go “full retard” and engage on the ground on multiple fronts, where are the soldiers (meat) supposed to come from? A very large number (probably 1-3 million) would be needed for any long-lasting tangible results. The war in Ukraine has demonstrated that the KIA, WIA and MIA numbers would be unpalatable to the Western populations- unless perhaps their own home territories were under direct attack which would definitely not be the case (unless Ziostan itself was involved). I think such a scenario is unlikely since the world and the realities of ground warfare have qualitatively changed since the Iraq invasion of 2003.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 24 2024 1:38 utc | 84

Middle East Eye
@MiddleEastEye
"How dare we have a conversation about trade when there are children right now being treated without anaesthetic.”

Journalist Dr. Myriam Francois discusses the response to the Gaza war in an interview with Sky News, emphasising the need for a ceasefire.

https://twitter.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1749719738152808916

Posted by: Menz | Jan 24 2024 1:52 utc | 85

Once a thief, always a thief.

Jackson Hinkle 🇺🇸
@jacksonhinklle
🚨🇮🇱 ISRAELI soldiers record themselves attempting to break into a Palestinian family's safe in Gaza.

I thought they were just in Gaza to “fight Hama?”

https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1749702591678656627

Posted by: Menz | Jan 24 2024 1:54 utc | 86

john brewster | Jan 24 2024 0:32 utc | 81
Thank you for your contribution.
As to the Morgans William Cobbett named one of his sons after a Pennsylvania Morgan who I believe was both wealthy and a Quaker. He had helped bail Cobbett out of a legal persecution by his enemies-including Dr Banjamin Rush- in Philadephia.
I have always wondered whether these Pennsylvania Morgans were related to JP's family.
Incidentally another of Cobbett's enemies was the MP Bingham Baring, a Baring partner whose father had married one of the Philadelphia Binghams, when Bingham wass reputedly the richest man in the US.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 24 2024 2:26 utc | 87

@byebyepalestine,

you are in fantasy land like most Israelis and their supporters. The Palestinian Resistance/Hamas is demonstrating that the Israeli Occupation Forces are weak and both Syria and Lebanon also want to end Israeli occupation. More critical, it is absolutely impossible for Israel to exterminate or remove 6 million Christians and Muslims in Occupied Palestine and the 2 million who are second class citizens in Israel. Even if they could by some miracle achieve that without global outrage ending the Zionist State in a week, there would still be 8 million Palestinians in the Diaspora who would continue the fight to free Palestine. Zionist Israel is done and has destroyed itself in the name of stupidity, bigotry, rage and childish incompetence. The world will cheer, including many Jews when Zionist Israel disappears, just as they did the end of Nazi Germany, for the same reasons.

Posted by: rosross | Jan 24 2024 2:43 utc | 88

wide swaths of Muslims perform this objectional act on women.

Posted by: Test | Jan 24 2024 0:49 utc | 88

Yet another hasbarist come to poison the thread. Female circumcision has nothing to do with Islam. It's a geographically local tribal practice.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 24 2024 2:50 utc | 89

Posted by: fanto | Jan 24 2024 1:05 utc | 91

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You appear to have stated one of the characteristics of Anglos that annoys the rest of the world: Their refusal to bother to learn other languages and egotistical assumption that there is no need for them to do so. This translates also as a lack of basic intellectual curiosity. It also renders Anglos relatively "blind" to what RoW is thinking and feeling.

This blog would not even exist if its owner did not have an impressive command of English.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 24 2024 2:51 utc | 90

Ryan Dawson
@RyLiberty
·
14h
If you want ads back, bend the knee and get rid of free speech. It's ruining our genocide.

https://twitter.com/RyLiberty/status/1749770150860165612

Posted by: Menz | Jan 24 2024 2:51 utc | 91

Having lived through the fall of Apartheid South Africa I can't help but notice the very same patterns repeating for izzrael.

The trajectory is the same, even if the intensity is of a higher order in the case of Izzrael.

The same logical and cognitive contradictions exist, just of a more grotesque order.

The same upper and lower bounds exist to what the Zionist occupation can achieve over the long term in Palestine.

But whereas the Afrikaner, long mocked for a stereotypical stupidity,was enlightened enough to realize this could not continue, the Jew, long mythologised for a certain cunning and intelligence, seems incapable of making the same cognitive leap ...

And just like in South Africa where the Anglo Zionist Empire worked hard to preserve their White colony in Africa and their efforts collapsed under the weight of cognitive dissonance, so their efforts to preserve izzrael too are collapsing under it's contradictions:

The empire is forced to deny it's own proclamations of liberalism in place of a primitive colonialism.

The empire is forced to deny it's proclamations that all men are created equal by openly appending the qualifier: "Except these Jews who are above and beyond even our most sacred tenets".

The empire is forced to silence it's screams of "GENOCIDE!" the moment it casts it's eyes towards Gaza, and begin wailing again when looking at Xinjiang or Ukraine. The hypocrisy is blinding.

The empire is forced to cut of it's own arms and feet to feed the zionist parasite it has birthed. It grows slowly limbless even as it leaves children and women limbless with it's bombs ...

The oft repeated, oft fulfilled prophecy is coming to pass:


Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Yeats knew what the fall of empires looked like.

Izzrael is done. Stick a fork in it.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 24 2024 3:19 utc | 92

Test@88
Circumcision is like doing business with the Biden family. 10% for the big guy.

Posted by: AJ | Jan 24 2024 3:24 utc | 93

Fished out of the polluted stream of the internet commentariat:


When 21 IDF soldier are killed, their pictures are broadcast around the world. When 30,000 Gazans are killed by these same soldiers, we get a simple uptick in the overall number of the Gazan dead. But, as Israel says, they are just “animals.”

Truer words have rarely been spoken.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 24 2024 3:40 utc | 94

Western values impress Arab researcher:

"German police summoned Taqadum al-Khatib, a researcher affiliated with Princeton University and Berlin Free University, for questioning, following a post he published on his X account.

"On 10 November, Khatib wrote, “Please inform the people, intellectuals, professors, the political elite and the media in Germany: ‘Surviving a Holocaust doesn’t give you the right to enact another’. ​RETWEET if you agree”.

"On Tuesday, Khatib took to X and posted in Arabic that because of the tweet, the German police have summoned him to investigate “in a report filed against me by Zionist associations”.

“Welcome to the free world that supports and embraces freedom of opinion and expression. In this context, I welcome any legal support,” he added..."

https://www.middleeasteye.net/live/israel-palestine-gaza-live-war-hamas-conflict

Posted by: bevin | Jan 24 2024 3:40 utc | 95

Arch, "the zionist parasite it has birthed"

That's a keeper!!

Posted by: Jane | Jan 24 2024 4:10 utc | 96

Thought Crimes

Posted by: Exile | Jan 24 2024 4:14 utc | 97

JB | Jan 23 2024 23:01 utc | 73
Pq | Jan 23 2024 23:12 utc | 75

re Lavrov, Russia's position at the UNSC on Gaza etc.

I can't help but agree with Pq general thrust.

I can long counter this insidious notion of a two-state solution - there needs to be a one state called Palestine. and the war criminal genocidal zionist invaders given their marching orders.

Look I get the basic notion from Russia/China and others that the two-state solution is established in international politics and diplomacy as a given stemming back to Oslo .... and so to start "negotiations" from that point is the on;y way to start diplomatically speaking --- well sure --- yet at the same time it is utterly irrational ludicrous and defies reality.

Israel is a genocidal war criminal entity - fact. ICJ or not. There is no one, no group with integrity or the moral standing capable of negotiating on behalf of Israel and their zionist citizens. No one.

That being said, I agree Russia foolishly continues to default to the imperative of Israeli "security". Russia has done nothing for the Palestinian cause, or insisted upon UN standards of Justice or human rights for the Palestinians since Putin came to power - they have done nothing but given useless delusional speeches at the UNSC just like this one today.

There is a lot to like about Russia and it's leadership - it's stand on Palestine is not one of them.

Me saying so makes zero difference, still .....

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Jan 24 2024 4:18 utc | 98

bevin | Jan 24 2024 3:40 utc | 104

Germany appears to be the land of the unfree-est. Gestapo, Stasi? move over. (no idea about stasi but using western propaganda understanding)

Perhaps the Baltic chiwowows are worse, but difficult to pick the difference. Very little difference between between current and the past Hitler Germany.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 24 2024 4:41 utc | 99

Zionist treachery and betrayal committed against their own people
to create in them, through falsehoods, murderous blood lust.
In order to harness their worst nature and commit genocide
against Palestinians. All this for the grasping at a brass ring
of ancient psychopathic delusions.

Posted by: librul | Jan 24 2024 4:42 utc | 100

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