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January 18, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-020
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Just to note that I was erroneous in my previous post.
The Siege of Leningrad ended on the 27th of January, 1944. The 80th anniversary of the end of the siege is 8 days away.
Hitler decided to starve the populace to death. As Zionists have designed for Gaza. The Zionists were terrorists prior to 1948 having committed many atrocities against the local population, including the King David Hotel Bombing in 1946. Continuing to commit massacres afterwards.
The Zionists dream of recovering all lands of ancient Israel by any means necessary including ethnic cleansing (i.e. Nabka).
Posted by: Veri1138 | Jan 19 2024 8:54 utc | 101
@ whirlX | Jan 19 2024 0:30 utc | 63
I was always drawn to Tulsi. Everything about her was great. Then I discovered she was a raving Zionist lover, where Israel could do not wrong and she was rabidly anti-Palestinians and anti0Muslim. I had no idea before.
So I wiped her from my memory. Will never believe another word out of her mouth. Never again.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 19 2024 9:00 utc | 102
I noted again that Western media (mostly france24 and DW) tried the raise the memory of Mahsa Amini again around the time Iran struck Iraq.
However it seems to have sunk like a lead anchor into the bottomless pit of media almost immediately.
Nobody cares anymore, not with atrocities on the scale of Gaza going on.
The West has scuttled every future attempt it will make to turn single individuals into a martyrs for their “colour revolutions”, by simply demonstrating to the world that entire genocides are tolerable and one particular society on earth is permitted any kind of evil under the sun.
Izzrael has raised the collective human tolerance for atrocity to a level beyond what the West can exploit (at least in this particular sense).
For better or for worse.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 19 2024 9:02 utc | 103
The Zionists were terrorists prior to 1948 having committed many atrocities against the local population,
Posted by: Veri1138 | Jan 19 2024 8:54 utc | 102
The Zionists were terrorists from the day they arrived in 1922
Britain in Palestine 1917-1948
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOJqLTc6RkU
The Origins of the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict – Part 1 (1897 – 1947)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpJ9ICMxA-I
The 100 year war on Palestine w/Rashid Khalidi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ55JmOlSdg
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 19 2024 9:07 utc | 104
Honzo and Tom Q Collins , sorry on delayed reply the Iraq claims of the Reaper shoot down were from Dd geopolitics on Telegram. Sorry my post was caught bit rushed I should have elaborated more on the post as it was claims only. Looking at the video it could have been anything and the nose section does not look like a MQ9 on reflection. So think it was not accurate.
Posted by: Scot1and | Jan 19 2024 9:12 utc | 105
For all the LIHOP supporters:
When Satanyahoo says Oct 7 is our 9/11, I interpet that to mean: we killed most of the civilians on Oct 7 with our Hannibal directive (helicopter gunships, tank shelling at kibbutzim) but we’re going to blame it on Hamas and create a few extra atrocities for shock value.
Number one takeway from 9/11: the people who did it (Israel with some US neocon help) were not blamed for it. Instead the blame was heaped on a whole host of characters: Osama, KSA, dead KSA pilots who later turned up alive and well but had had their IDs stolen previously, Afghanistan, Muslims in general, Wesley Clarks’ 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Iran, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Lebanon.
Number two takeway from 9/11: it was used as an excuse to change US legislation both domestically to imprison anyone who might be a “terrorist”, create a terror narrative, enable the US UK EU IS to bomb wherever they want.
This is what we see from Israel: they caused most of the civilian deaths on Oct 7 and they are using it as an excuse to obliterate Palestinians.
I caution against either/or scenarios. There is a huge difference between actionable info with date, time, place, method etc. and general observations that something might happen. I don’t see LIHOP as a yes / no thing but a question of degree on a scale from 1 to 100.
One thing I have learned over the years is that organizations present facades of rationality, efficiency etc. The messy reality is that they look at events and then put out a carefully crafted version for public consumption that makes it seem as if they knew what they were doing.
Right now there is a huge battle going on in Israel: nobody wants the blame for the deaths so you see the steady drip feeding of articles into MSM saying we knew this but the other party did not act.
I posted a link above to a photo of IOF in the West Bank dragging the body of a young man through the street after he has been killed. He has been tied with rope.
A part of me hopes he was killed before this happened and felt no further pain. How awful is that: to hope someone might be already dead as an alternative to knowing he might die even more painfully. There are several such needless atrocities EVERY SINGLE DAY.
That is the true face of Israel today. A bunch of degraded psychopathic institutions that would not last one week without money from the American printing press and taxpayer. These clowns are not even competent to manage a LIHOP had they known.
Have you read all the accounts in Israel media? LIHOP or not, the response was total chaos.
Nothing against Larry Johnson but he brings no new info to the table, we know what he does.
These guys: Sachs, Mearsheimer, Finklestein, Crooke make the rounds of “indy media” to push certain narratives. A young guy like Mahmood Od (see his youtube) who speaks both Hebrew and Arabic can provide better summaries than all of these establishment voices.
I have a lot of respect for Phil Giraldi and Ray McGovern who is a font of historical anecdotes that helps to provide context.
Posted by: pq | Jan 19 2024 9:48 utc | 106
Posted by @ RLTW | Jan 19 2024 1:09 utc | 72
Interesting on the ground perspective, thanks for sharing.
I read carefully to see how you arrived at the conclusion Faiq was “linked to Iran”:
“this is the man who has been running Iraq since 2003, obviously as a proxy of the US and I believe also Iran”.
If he’s a US proxy, he is clearly more likely to be acting in Israeli interests. Maybe you have overestimated the sectarian aspect, ie that just because targeting Shias was denied, you draw a conclusion.
When I put together your info with everything else we know about “ISIS” over the years along with regime change plans for Syria etc. from Wikileaks, it’s clear to me that this person would be more an Israeli agent than Iranian.
As a third party reading this comment, your whole post sounds immoral and illegal beyond comprehension: the US invader randomly deciding whom to target and so on. Sending “sons of Iraq” to their death. Where there’s war and poverty and people are struggling to survive, they have to make awful choices and compromises.
I’ve read a few of your posts on MoA and the best conclusion that you yourself have drawn previously is: what the hell was the US doing there anyway???
Posted by: pq | Jan 19 2024 10:00 utc | 107
Aljazeera lauding the destruction of a mosque…when it comes to money and power the MB and Qatar are really flexible.
They are training for the articles they will write in praise of the construction of the temple in jerusalem as an achievement of the theocratic state?
Angry at MbS for taking the path of secularism?
Posted by: Minaa | Jan 19 2024 10:20 utc | 108
Thanks Tom and james.
I just started reading the article and something struck me. The Pak return strike into Iran targeted Baluchi… What did Iran target in Pakistan? The Baluchi are tight with India and inhabit Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran. US got back into Pakistan when they outed Khan.
There is the possibility Iran and Pakistan are doing each other a favor rather than hostilities.
Back to reading the article now.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2024 21:12 utc | 27
I also thought that Pakistan and Iran are ‘faking’ a division to wrong foot the Empire and scratch each other’s backs, cause otherwise it looks ‘silly’ for both Sovereigns.
“I would like to posit this…the source of so much evil & warmongering emanates from Britain. Can we put forth the idea that the world should boycott Britain until is ceases planning wars, financing wars, implements wars, advocates for wars, propagandizing for wars, creates alliances for wars, this country must not be a pariah state until this is effectuated…also is there any brilliant barfly that can post all the wars this nation has implemented since say…1776…also…I think the Palestinians should sue Britain for a minimum of 30 trillion dollars for reparations…none of this genocide would be happening without this nation…and I insist on buying Jane a drink…”
Posted by: Prometheus1200BC | Jan 19 2024 3:08 utc | 78
Not England, but close: the City of London, a supranational entity, is the ultimate source of warmongering and has been since in the West since 1694.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 19 2024 4:04 utc | 85
“France has always pretended to be civilized while acting in the most barbaric manner. South East Asian rubber plantations are a classic example.”
Posted by: Menz | Jan 19 2024 4:10 utc | 87
Not to mention Algeria where 1.5 million Algerian deaths during the 1954-1962 war. The economic repression of Mali where France bought their uranium for their nuclear power stations for pennies on the dollar.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 19 2024 8:34 utc | 96
Just ignore Pi(SS) [SS for Nazi stormtroopers, editor] as he is certainly searching for attention while imagining a POV that doesn’t exist
Posted by: Antonym | Jan 19 2024 8:51 utc | 100
>How both Shia Iran and Sunni Pakistan suppress a free (mostly Sunni) Baluchistan
Oh, so Iran and Pakistan ‘suppress’ free speech in Baluchistan but Izzrael shutting down communications in Gaza so it can destroy hospitals and commit massacres in secret is being ‘fed up’ ?
>just like Israel is fed up with Hamas-Gaza:
So Izzrael imprisoning Palestinians for Facebook posts is fine with you, but unspecified, undocumented and speculative claims of suppression in Baluchistan get’s you pissing your bed?
Are you high on your own hypocrisy?
Do you know Izzrael suppresses free speech on a scale and intensity Pakistan and Iran combined cannot match?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 19 2024 11:42 utc | 113
@ whirlX | Jan 19 2024 0:30 utc | 63
I was always drawn to Tulsi. Everything about her was great. Then I discovered she was a raving Zionist lover, where Israel could do not wrong and she was rabidly anti-Palestinians and anti0Muslim. I had no idea before.
So I wiped her from my memory. Will never believe another word out of her mouth. Never again.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 19 2024 9:00 utc | 103
I liked her too till I found out about her pro Zionist stance; I was always a bit wary as she was a WEFer-now she is but controlled opposition.
Zionism values as seen through the Old Testament.
When one reads the Old Testicles(1)one sees the perniciousness of Judaism, and Christianity, for that matter.
Abraham with God’s blessing enters what is now the Negreb as Palestine had a drought. God tells Abraham he will ‘watch over them” but as soon as Abraham enters the Kingdom he tells the King, Abimelech, that Sarah is his sister not his wife. The faithful one lied. Abraham didn’t have much faith in God then did he?
Abraham isn’t the only one lying , God lies too when he commands Abraham to sacrifice Issac-and Abraham obeys the sick command only to be stopped by Yahweh just before he does the dirty deed. If God can ‘lie’ for a wanted ‘end'(testing Abraham’s faith) why cannot ordinary Jews?
Issac has two sons Esau and Jacob, Esau was the first born such that he would inherit the majority of Issac’s property. But Jacob was the Rachel’s favourite and so she outwitted old Issac and had him bless Jacob rather than Esau. Lying, cheating paid off once more.
I could go on but it is quite insightful that perfidy, self promotion, cheating is a fundamental touchstone such that the Zionist tradition to reach the proper ‘endpoint’ invented in the late 19th century and now it is anathema to modern civilized values.
1. What is the oath under the thigh? In Genesis 24:2–9 Abraham has his servant Eliezer put his hand under the Patriarch’s thigh to swear “by the Lord, the God of heaven and earth” that the servant will not arrange a marriage for Abraham’s son Isaac with a Canaanite woman.”
“Under the thigh”- don’t kid yourself it means balls, testicles which matches aristodemus’ phrase on the subject.
2.Genesis 20:1–16 narrates the story of Abraham emigrating to the southern region of Gerar, whose king is named Abimelech. Abraham states that Sarah, his wife, is really his sister, leading Abimelech to try to take Sarah as a wife; however, God intervened before Abimelech touched Sarah.
The Jewish God Demands Virgin Sacrifice:
40 and 16,000 virgin girls, of whom 32 were the Lord’s share. 41 Moses gave all the Lord’s share to Eleazar the priest, just as the Lord had directed him.
42 Half of the plunder belonged to the people of Israel, and Moses separated it from the half belonging to the fighting men.
At least the Muslim Jihadi only gets his virgins in the Afterlife.
The god of the Jews demands his virgins (all 32 of them) in THIS LIFE!
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 19 2024 12:20 utc | 116
… the nose section does not look like a MQ9 on reflection. So think it was not accurate.
Posted by: Scot1and | Jan 19 2024 9:12 utc | 106
Agreed, here’s a repost of public links and a video that is claimed to be a US Chinook on a mission to retrieve the wreckage so perhaps it’s worth identifying the wreckage. Wild suggestion from me that it looks a bit like Anduril’s Fury drone.
Shoot down and crash site: https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/98970
Chinook recovery mission: https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/98979
Fury drone: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/the-rise-of-fury
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 19 2024 13:26 utc | 117
Netanyahu doesn’t want Izzy hostages back unless they are dead (silenced).
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/01/18/israeli-army-gassed-auschwitz-soldier/
Posted by: librul | Jan 19 2024 13:45 utc | 118
Abraham states that Sarah, his wife, is really his sister, leading Abimelech to try to take Sarah as a wife; however, God intervened before Abimelech touched Sarah.
Posted by: canuck | Jan 19 2024 12:15 utc | 116
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So, Abraham did this . . . why?
To have a pretext to attack Abimelech?
Or perhaps to make some kind of an alliance with Abimelech based on sharing the same woman?
Both? Depending . . . ?
Posted by: Jane | Jan 19 2024 13:57 utc | 119
@Arch Bungle | Jan 19 2024 11:42 utc | 114
“Do you know Izzrael suppresses free speech on a scale and intensity Pakistan and Iran combined cannot match?”
Well, Pakistan’s Kech district in Baluchistan – bigger than Gaza – had no Internet for 2 whole years: https://thediplomat.com/2019/03/balochistans-great-internet-shutdown/
The Iranian side is “freer”, only every Friday for 3 months: https://www.miaan.org/publication/the-crackdown-on-irans-people-of-sistan-and-baluchestan-through-targeted-internet-shutdowns-must-stop-now/
For whole Pakistan this January 2024: https://techinformed.com/pakistan-internet-shutdown-as-opposition-campaign-launches/
But that is all done by brown people, of Muslim faith on top, so that doesn’t count – ex victims, BLM etc.
Israelis are all white male supremacists, the worlds biggest colonialists – look Israel’s their vast acreage!- women, homosexuals and trans suppressors, CO2 spreaders like no other, anti-vaxxers, biggest fossil fuel pumpers on the globe etc.
you can fool the woke once, twice, thrice etc. but at a certain number even sheepish donkeys will wake up, Democrats, Republicans, Green or even Communists, specially when their expendable income gets halved.
Posted by: Antonym | Jan 19 2024 13:57 utc | 120
AJE article about good business in Ayodhya, sorry for missing link up
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/1/19/upcoming-ram-temple-is-good-for-business-in-indias-ayodhya
Posted by: Minaa | Jan 19 2024 14:04 utc | 121
Abraham states that Sarah, his wife, is really his sister, leading Abimelech to try to take Sarah as a wife; however, God intervened before Abimelech touched Sarah.
Posted by: canuck | Jan 19 2024 12:15 utc | 116
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So, Abraham did this . . . why?
To have a pretext to attack Abimelech?
Or perhaps to make some kind of an alliance with Abimelech based on sharing the same woman?
Both? Depending . . . ?
Posted by: Jane | Jan 19 2024 13:57 utc | 120
I am not qualified to give an exegesis on biblical scripture but, in my opinion, according to the scripture Abraham lied to save his own skin as Sarah was beautiful Abraham was terrified that Abimelech would kill him to possess Sarah.
However, your idea might work as well: perhaps, someone more familiar with the text can aid us in this exegesis.
Oh fuck…..Bible Class for the mindless ….it’s a fucking fake, it’s all fakery, choosen specifically to challenge small minds….holy fuck, Bob had it right….Emancipate Yourself ffs.
Throw the thing into the dustbin of history. Dead, bodies piled high, End.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 19 2024 14:49 utc | 123
“MSM admits US is breaking domestic law for Israel!!”
(MSM stands for “Main Strem Media”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twl4rffTfG8
The video refers to an article in Foreign Affairs:
“The Greater Goal in Gaza. For Lasting Peace, Israel Must End Its Occupation of Palestinian Land”.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/greater-goal-gaza
and
“‘Different rules’: special policies keep US supplying weapons to Israel despite alleged abuses”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/18/us-supply-weapons-israel-alleged-abuses-human-rights
Seems the US State department is making / is starting to make a big U-turn when it comes to its policies towards Israel.
I assume that South Africa’s case before the Internation court of Justice in The Hague has made the US (or the guys at Foreign Affairs) a MAJOR dent in the thinking in Washington DC. So, even here there is a MAJOR shift in thinking going on.
Pass me the popcorn ………………………….
Posted by: WMG | Jan 19 2024 14:52 utc | 124
Arch Bungle@101…..Shebrew…..you win!
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 19 2024 14:53 utc | 125
“GENEVA, 19 January 2024 – “In the 105 days of this escalation in the Gaza Strip, nearly 20,000 babies have been born into war. That’s a baby born into this horrendous war every 10 minutes.”
https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/born-hell
Fake genocide, as planned by Hamas and gobbled up by the woke West.
Posted by: Antonym | Jan 19 2024 14:56 utc | 126
Arch Bungle@101…..Shebrew…..you win!
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 19 2024 14:53 utc | 126
Just observing the correct pronouns, y’know …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 19 2024 14:58 utc | 127
Fake genocide, as planned by Hamas and gobbled up by the woke West.
Posted by: Antonym | Jan 19 2024 14:56 utc | 127
You imbecile. Don’t you know genocide is about how many are KILLED not about how many are BORN??
twit.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 19 2024 14:59 utc | 128
Posted by: Antonym | Jan 19 2024 13:57 utc | 121
So you’re saying Izzrael is an authoritarian regime fearful of free speech and a genocidal colonial occupier to boot.
Glad we agree on something.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 19 2024 15:02 utc | 129
WMG@125….should Palestine get any kind of favorable decision from South Africa’s Genocide complaint against the Occupiers, it then opens the legal door to take on all the enablers of Palestinian Genocide.
Regardless of the ruling, it will be incumbent upon the sane people of the world to use economic means to put the rabid dog down.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 19 2024 15:16 utc | 130
Indonesia takes Israel to ICJ for the illegal 70 year occupation of Palestine (DD Geopolitics – TG Channel)
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/99012
Indonesia enlists help of experts for ICJ Israel Case
The Foreign Ministry has assembled a team of experts to help formulate Indonesia’s arguments in an International Court of Justice (ICJ) advisory case that seeks to hold Israel accountable for its “policies and practices” in the occupied Palestinian territories.
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Jan 19 2024 18:00 utc | 131
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Jan 19 2024 18:00 utc | 132
Only a single, unified territory and state of Palestine will bring peace. The Jewish population would probably end up owning and running the place eventually anyway, and that might be for the better, but there should be no more WMD and terror-state agencies.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 19 2024 18:13 utc | 132
“Israel is rushing troops to the lebanese border” ????
Alistair Crooke:
– Israel wants to continue their operations in Gaza and Lebanon is next.
– The fire/explosion in the refinery in Haifa was the result of a missile lauched by Iraq.
– Ehud Barak thinks that the “window of opportunity” to attack Iran has closed.
Posted by: WMG | Jan 19 2024 18:36 utc | 133
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Jan 19 2024 18:00 utc | 132
Only a single, unified territory and state of Palestine will bring peace. The Jewish population would probably end up owning and running the place eventually anyway, and that might be for the better, but there should be no more WMD and terror-state agencies.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 19 2024 18:13 utc | 133
I suspect that you are right in your assertions regarding a single state but I think I disagree that the Jewish population would end up running it, especially considering the history of the region, and if they did I doubt very much it would be for the better.
For any group of people to end up running any state (especially a group alien to that region) they have to first get their hands on the levers of power and the institutions within that state.
Currently from a political point of view they undoubtedly possess those levers, but would they retain them after the hypothetical creation of that single state? I think not (especially given the Israeli right’s bitter opposition to it), therefore I can see no path to a single state that doesn’t include much more blood than is at present being spilled.
If they did some how manage to retain those levers I cannot believe that they would suddenly become benign and fair minded. As long as that group believes itself “Chosen” by non other that the “Almighty Himself” (or the Lord of Hosts as Samuel states it) they would seek to re-institute what they consider the rightful status quo befitting a chosen people, and to be clear that does not include anyone other than themselves running it for their own (and no one else’s) benefit.
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Jan 19 2024 19:52 utc | 134
RE: -“ Ehud Barak thinks that the “window of opportunity” to attack Iran has closed. “
Posted by: WMG | Jan 19 2024 18:36 utc | 134
There never was or will be “a window of opportunity” for Israel. Strike Iran, and Israel will be totally destroyed.
This they have always feared and now are certain, beyond any doubt, will happen.
Now it’s about surrounding Iran. A Syrian redux, and the taking if Lebanon. Get Russia on 2 fronts, 3 if possible (Africa) Stretch Russia.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 19 2024 20:25 utc | 135
RE: Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Jan 19 2024 18:00 utc | 132
Interesting. Hitting secondary (actually “origin” of issue) regarding occupation.
Makes one wonder, if this moves around in the court for 2-4 years, and Israel (US/UK/NATO) did expel & have reign of all of Palestine… and ICJ voted favorably in this case… what would the legal ramifications of settlements become?
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 19 2024 20:33 utc | 136
Alastair Crooke:
– Israel wants to draw the US into the war.
– The israeli government is in trouble. the army wanted to investigate the event on october 7, 2023 and was meant as an attack on Netanyahu.
– Israel wants to divert attention from the events happening in Gaza and therefore is seeking a diversion. And that diversion seems to be an attack on Lebanon & Hezbollah.
– The war in the Middle East is widening.
Alastair Crooke speaks every week with Judge Andrew Napolitano on Napolitano’s podcast.
Posted by: WMG | Jan 19 2024 21:15 utc | 137
@Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 18 2024 22:04 utc | 42
Thanks for the article!
Great qoute:
„Ultimately, in my view, Habermas has not said or done anything surprising or contradictory; quite the contrary. He has been entirely consistent with the incurable tribalism of his philosophical pedigree, which had falsely assumed a universal posture.“
…universal posture! Am deutsche Wesen…
To paraphrase Adorno „there is no (german) philosophie after Auschwitz.“
His and Horkheimer‘s „Dialectics of Enlightenment“ being the exception to the rule.
Posted by: El Lissitzky | Jan 19 2024 21:32 utc | 138
fyi,
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/mexico–chile-submit-case-to-icc-against-israeli-crimes-in-g
Mexico, Chile submit case to ICC against Israeli crimes in Gaza
The two countries say the action comes after “growing concern” regarding the civilian casualties in Gaza.
“Mexico and Chile filed a lawsuit with the International Criminal Court (ICC) on Thursday, requesting that it probe crimes committed against Palestinians.
According to Anadolu Agency, Mexico’s Foreign Ministry called the ICC the best platform for investigating the ongoing war on Gaza, citing it as the most appropriate entity to potentially establish criminal culpability for any offending party…..
The most recent data revealed by the Palestinian Health Ministry in Gaza that over 2,000 massacres have been committed since October 7, while the civilian death toll has risen due to the Israeli war to 24,762 and the number of injured rose to 62,108…..”
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 19 2024 21:49 utc | 139
RE: Posted by: WMG | Jan 19 2024 21:15 utc | 138
BS … the Americans aren’t “drawn into” crap. The U.S./UK stands afar, orchestrating, assisting & initiating all. They’re stupid enough to think a ME blow up will save them from Russia, China, BRICs swallowing them whole in the next 5 years.
Instead, guess they’ll hurry it along.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 19 2024 21:58 utc | 140
Telecom blackout in Gaza continues for eighth day in a row, affecting news coming out of Gaza.
Israel continues to wage a merciless campaign of destruction in Gaza, killing scores of Palestinians in the past day and wiping out civilian institutions off the map. The Israeli-engineered telecommunications blackout in the decimated Palestinian
Israel continues to pummel Gaza, destroying key buildings at al-Isra University, the last institution of higher learning left standing in Gaza.
Netanyahu vows there won’t be a Palestinian state so long as he’s in office, while Joe Biden admits strikes against Yemen’s Ansar Allah aren’t working.
24,762 killed* and at least 62,108 wounded in the Gaza Strip.
388+ Palestinians killed in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem
Israel revises its estimated October 7 death toll down from 1,400 to 1,147.
550 Israeli soldiers killed since October 7, including 194 since the beginning of the ground invasion, and at least 3,221 injured.**
*This figure was confirmed by Gaza’s Ministry of Health on January 16. Some rights groups put the death toll at more than 31,000 when accounting for those presumed dead
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/01/operation-al-aqsa-flood-day-105-israel-destroys-gazas-last-university-as-netanyahu-doubles-down-on-rejection-of-a-palestinian-state/
Posted by: ld | Jan 19 2024 22:05 utc | 141
canuck 116
You will tie yourself in knots trying to untangle the knots inserted by humans into the Bible.
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2024 23:56 utc | 142
WMG 134
People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Ehud Barack’s window of opportunity is a window Israel wishes for the US to attack Iran. The same window can be used by the US to attack Israel for trying to provoke it into an unwinnable war. Netanyahu is an insufferable pain in the bum trying to get the US to attack Iran.
The US wants a two state solution in Israel and why would it accept a Khazarian piracy that would eventually lead to a Khazar empire blocking its access to everywhere else?
Netanyahu is burnt toast, trying to set the kitchen on fire and burn the house down. Not going to happen.
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 20 2024 0:12 utc | 143
I’ve been getting news here in the U.S.A from Haaretz for years. Now, I can no longer access the website to read it.
I think the media powers have nixed U.S. access. Censorship? Anybody else having similar experience?
So much for freedom of the press right here in the very country the world should have freedoms.
So much for the first amendment.
Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Jan 20 2024 1:15 utc | 144
States’ and non-state (eg. Al Jazeera @IntlCrimCourt) legal proceedings against Israel.gov have been piling up behind the scenes of South Africa’s emergency application this month to jump the line.
• Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (a conspicuous omission by Mr Shaw.)
decision: 9 July 2004
• Relocation of the United States Embassy to Jerusalem (Palestine v. United States of America (2018)
application: submitted and inexplicably suspended
• Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem UN res. A/RES/77/247 (2023)
hearing: 19 Feb 2024
In this resolution, the General Assembly decided, in accordance with Article 96 of the Charter of the United Nations, to request the International Court of Justice to render an advisory opinion pursuant to Article 65 of the Statute of the Court, on the following questions:
“considering the rules and principles of international law, including the Charter of the United Nations, international humanitarian law, international human rights law, relevant resolutions of the Security Council, the General Assembly and the Human Rights Council, and the advisory opinion of the Court of 9 July 2004:
(a) What are the legal consequences arising from the ongoing violation by
Israel of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination, from its prolonged occupation, settlement and annexation of the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including measures aimed at altering the demographic composition, character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem, and from its adoption of related discriminatory legislation and
measures?
(b) How do the policies and practices of Israel referred to in paragraph 18(a) above affect the legal status of the occupation, and what are the legal consequences that arise for all States and the United Nations from this status?”
Save the date. This ICJ hearing is an important procedural step. ICJ review findings of law. The UNGA 2-part question bundles causes of action vested in civil, “humanitarian,” and LOC conventions which Israel has flouted and on which past, present, and future litigation of facts at trial (@IntlCrimCourt) rely.
Accordingly, ICJ’s imminent decision whether or not to accept South Africa’s application for a preliminary measure (compelling “ceasefire”) most certainly will telegraph the court’s opinion about the legitimacy of Israel’s “policies and practices” including elements of genocide—before issuing final judgment for either case.
FWIW, I don’t expect ICJ to decide South Africa before, say, April 1. It would be gratifying were it delivered earlier, but, as I suggest, they’ve got work to do straightening “landmark” reasoning and the court’s reputation.
Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 20 2024 1:23 utc | 145
Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Jan 20 2024 1:15 utc | 145
Considering the circumstances, the probability that IL just pulled the plug is greater than fiddling with DNS fire walls.
Haaretz threatened with sanctions by Israeli comms minister over Gaza war coverage, Nov 24
Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 20 2024 1:39 utc | 146
Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 20 2024 1:23 utc | 146
Interesting, and I wasn’t aware that there was pending legal action regarding Trump’s relocation of the US embassy to Jerusalem. One thing I am sure of, nothing happening in Gaza right now would be any different under a Trump presidency, but he also wouldn’t be trying to have it both ways like the other senile geriatric idiot Biden.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 20 2024 2:43 utc | 147
Anyone here wants to take the Hague ICJ serious?
Fine, than flight MH17 was shot down on 17 July 2014 over Donbass by Russia, not CIA/ Ukrainazi.
Posted by: Antonym | Jan 20 2024 2:59 utc | 148
“Russian diplomat Mikhail Bogdanov “stressed the need for the speedy release of civilians captured during the attacks of 7 October” in talks with Hamas politburo member Musa Abu Marzouk, the Russian foreign ministry said.”
https://www.arabnews.com/node/2444561/world
Posted by: Antonym | Jan 20 2024 3:14 utc | 149
” canuck 116
You will tie yourself in knots trying to untangle the knots inserted by humans into the Bible.
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 19 2024 23:56 utc | 143 ”
I’m sure the Koran is pure divine inspiration with no ambiguity, contradictions, and multiple interpretations
.
Posted by: Moonie | Jan 20 2024 4:43 utc | 150
” For any group of people to end up running any state (especially a group alien to that region) they have to first get their hands on the levers of power and the institutions within that state.
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Jan 19 2024 19:52 utc | 135 ”
I guess you missed what has happened in the Western world in the last couple hundred of years.
Posted by: Moonie | Jan 20 2024 4:48 utc | 151
@145 Gee Eye Joe
Was experiencing similar issues with accessing Haaretz from the US.
Have bypass paywalls extension installed on my browser (Brave). After going into bypass paywall settings and deselecting Haaretz was able to access Haaretz. Maybe Haaretz has an extra check for bypassing paywalls. Was going to try some newer versions of the bypass paywalls extension but have not yet tried them.
https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome
https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-chrome-clean
Posted by: Thurl | Jan 20 2024 5:33 utc | 152
ROTFLOL
Two British warships collide in Persian Gulf (VIDEO)
The smash-up inflicted significant damage on one ship, with a large hole seen punched into its hull
https://twitter.com/MilitaryBanter/status/1748429118792769912
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 20 2024 5:38 utc | 153
BREAKING:
⚡ 🇮🇱The Washington Post:
“Israel has targeted the end of January for escalation of military action against Hezbollah”.
Megatron: As I said, the war with Hezbollah will escalate in less than two weeks, unless Biden convinces Netanyahu not to in the meantime. AGREE?????
Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Jan 20 2024 8:26 utc | 154
Breaking rank?
https://t.me/milinfolive/114695
Amid Houthi attacks on commercial ships in the Red Sea, crews began indicating through the AIS (Automatic Identification System) that their ships were not interacting with Israel in any way.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 20 2024 8:53 utc | 155
Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 20 2024 1:23 utc | 146
You may be right but I sincerely hope you are wrong about not expecting an ICJ decision before April. The death rate in Gaza may increase exponentially now. In only 105 days 5% of the population is dead, missing or injured and that’s when the hospitals initially at least were functional, there were food stores etc.
In the case of Ukraine vs Russia, Ukraine went crying to ICJ on Feb 25 2022 THE DAY AFTER the SMO started. ICJ whipped out provisional measures on March 16 2022 ordering Russia to stop. That’s about 19 days. The order was based on “concern for Ukrainian civilians” very few of whom had been killed at that point.
There’s nothing controversial in what South Africa has asked for in terms of provisional measures. If we’re already at 22 days since the application was made on Dec 29 2023, it means some judges are being political and playing games, obstructing justice etc.
Clearly concern for civilians does not extend to Palestinians.
Posted by: pq | Jan 20 2024 9:12 utc | 156
“Government orders stranded live export ship MV Bahijah back to Australia amid deteriorating Middle East security”
Current headline at the ABC. Australia of corse is part of the current coalition of the Killing in the red sea even though it has not sent ships there. The livestock carrier supposedly heading to Jordan.
I don’t know what shipping is still going through the red sea, But the US look to have effectively shut it down to all western shipping with the western shipping companies telling all their ships to avoid the area.
Huge increase in shipping costs for many things now. More inflation.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 20 2024 9:13 utc | 157
Antonym | Jan 20 2024 2:59 utc | 149
A case on MH17 has never gone before the ICG. The ICC, a kangaroo court/sham court put together to criminalize targeted leaders was used
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 20 2024 9:22 utc | 158
Gee Eye Joe | Jan 20 2024 1:15 utc | 145
I can access it here in Australia. Will be interesting to see if it is blocked in the US or some states there.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 20 2024 9:27 utc | 159
Peter AU1 | Jan 20 2024 9:22 utc | 159
The MH17 case went to the Hague in 2018, seat of the ICJ: https://www.icj-cij.org/index.php/node/105804
Maybe that’s why the shot down a flight from the Netherlands……
Posted by: Antonym | Jan 20 2024 9:33 utc | 160
Afshin Rattansi interviewing Dr. Gabor Maté (Aaron’s father) on today’s “Going underground” on RT.
https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/587623-gabor-mate-israel-gaza-slaughter/
How can the world (media and politicians) ignore the atrocities that are happening in Gaza, right before our eyes? “It’s an especially dark time right now”
Posted by: grunzt | Jan 20 2024 10:12 utc | 161