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January 15, 2024

Palestine Open Thread 2024-016

Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

Posted by b on January 15, 2024 at 18:50 UTC | Permalink

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Everybody has the right for self-defense - Lamech, too (Genesis 4).

Posted by: brich | Jan 15 2024 19:13 utc | 1

I knew someone would get down to this

The national post has an opinion article saying it's not genocide enough to be a proper genocide

100 days Gaza only 24.000, 1% population, Rwanda did 800.000, 10%, without proper weapons...

As far as arguments are concerned we should be hitting the "no gas or ovens so we're good!" level pretty soon

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 15 2024 19:33 utc | 2

A good Karen on Palestine and a little ukraine

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/01/karen-kwiatkowski/dark-brandon-democratic-humanitarian/

Posted by: jo6pac | Jan 15 2024 19:34 utc | 3

@ Newbie | Jan 15 2024 19:33 utc | 2

the national post - canuck paper - ain't worth looking at.. right wing ideology, bordering on fascist.. does the asper family still own it after conrad blacks fall from grace?? jewish winnipeg family.. that is who used to own it..

Posted by: james | Jan 15 2024 19:53 utc | 4

I just got to reading an interview with military spokesman for the Iraqi Hezbollah Brigades, Sayyed Jaafar Al-Husseini on Al Mayadeen. The article is dated January 9, 2024.

Very good review of the Axis of Resistance in MENA and their current and future goals, strategies and solidarity.


Since the early days of the Al-Aqsa Flood battle and the criminal aggression against the Palestinian people in Gaza or other areas of occupied Palestine, lines of communication have persisted. This communication was not born [now] at this stage but existed prior. However, after the Al-Aqsa Flood, this communication deepened and became a continuous and daily affair, both directly and in liaison with other brothers present in different places. This communication and these connections have become more cohesive than ever before.
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On all levels. We are talking about the military aspect, the political level, and even at the popular level. We are present and engaged in this communication, and we also aspire to be more proximate to Gaza in the coming stage.

He goes on to discuss specific targets and goals.

The battle has erupted, and there is significant potential in it. Geography is open to us, and all American sites are [legitimate] targets for the Islamic resistance. We are talking about the American presence in the entirety of West Asia. The resistance is capable of reaching any point where Americans are present in West Asia, and this is by the grace of God. We are committed to that so long that the Zionist-American war machine persists in its crimes. We will persist in targeting Americans and those that coat-tail them.

... [coat-tailing the Americans?] ...

To speak blatantly, there are some who support the Zionist Occupation subliminally [in our region]. Specifically, there are some Gulf Arabist [regimes], namely the [United Arab] Emirates which plays a very malicious role. We have heard of some reports about the UAE paving the way for a route into the Israeli occupation (as an alternative to the blockaded Red Sea route). From the UAE to Saudi Arabia through Jordan to reach the Israeli occupation.

If they choose to go through with this initiative, the [Iraqi] resistance will be faced with new options. Other options will be up on the table for the resistance to contend this form of support for the Israeli Occupation.

These countries will be subjected to whatever the resistance surmounts if they choose to go through with this initiative.

This is not to say that they [the aforementioned countries] do not currently play any malicious role: no. They do.

The days ahead of us may involve countries like those we have mentioned, Gulf countries. We are talking about the American bases in the Gulf, and we are talking about other regions. There will be a word for the resistance [regarding these bases] in due time.

... [American retaliation?] ...

To be clear and direct with you, anything might befall us now, talking about costs, retaliation, [vengeful] attacks whether targeting individuals, sites, or any party, we do not hyper fixate on these matters [currently].

We do not look at these matters. Before us, currently, there is one primary concern: that the occupation ceases committing massacres against our people in Palestine, that the siege on our people in Palestine is lifted, and that the prospect of displacing Palestinians is devoid [and extracted from political discourse].

This is what is before us now, all other considerations, threats, promises, statements, and discussions, internal and external pressures regionally, all of this has no significance except one consideration: that the [zionist-American] war machine stops, and the complete siege on Gaza is lifted.

We do not speak of sporadic aid as if we are begging for them to allow the entry of a couple dozen trucks. No, the complete lifting of the blockade on Gaza. After that is done then we can listen to the rest of the discussion and consider other matters.

But today, the resistance continues to target the enemy's strongholds, bases, and interests in the entire region, and this will not stop until the primary and ultimate goal is achieved, which is for the war on Gaza to stop.
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Today, this axis has become strongly cohesive, with a clear vision, and clear goals, and it is firmly rooted in the field. This has become clear to everyone: the multitude of roles coupled with the unity of purpose in confronting this enemy will not allow the enemy to single out any country to aggress against it.

As for the specific case of Lebanon, we, as Iraqis, have a presence now that the how and where of which cannot be specified.

If the enemy considers such folly in Lebanon, Iraqis will be present in the field, in large numbers, and we will defend and stand shoulder to shoulder with the Lebanese people until the last breath.

Lebanon cannot be abandoned; the Lebanese resistance cannot be abandoned. We will not allow an enemy like "Israel" or the United States to touch any countries in the Axis [of resistance] or any Islamic country. [In the case of aggression against Lebanon], we, as Iraqis, are ready in various means to be at the right time and in the right place, shoulder to shoulder with our brothers in the Lebanese resistance.
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When we discuss Yemen, we need to have red lines in mind, three red lines. Once they cross them, and this is something the Americans and those who support them and coat-tail them on the issue of Yemen must know: The issue of Yemen will be quite different. Then the options would be wide open to us, and the Americans would come to see sights that would forever haunt them. This cannot be taken lightly, as there is no room for miscalculation here.

There are no calculations in Yemen. Any aggression on Yemen would leave all calculations aside and all options would be open to us, and at that point, the Resistance would deliberate on the suitable retaliation. The Islamic Resistance in Iraq will be present there with great effectiveness, alongside other forces. But in Yemen, our contribution would be much more weighty than it would be elsewhere.
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It’s clear now that the Resistance in Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, and Iraq. The resistance in all these countries is present, coordinating its efforts in resisting this enemy. There's also the Bahraini and Hijazi Resistance...
Yes, they’re present, even if this presence is unannounced so far, but its features will grow more prominent in the years to come and in future confrontations. They might not have the opportunity now to act up because of their own considerations. Their presence might have not been [officially] announced but they are there and they are present.

However, what we see today are hints of the future expansion of the resistance axis in the next decade which is expected to reach East Asia and some states in the Caucasus.
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Palestine is for the Palestinians. These are dreams and delusions that the Israeli regime and some supporters from the Gulf spew. Palestine is for the Palestinians. There is no such thing as "Isreal". We will liberate all of the Palestinian territories, and anyone talking about displacing Palestinians should not even consider it.

The narrative of there being a state for the Zionist entity without a place for the Palestinians. Let them talk about their own fate, the fate of the Zionists on this soil, and not talk about expelling the Palestinians. Palestine is for the Palestinian people. It is coming closer to complete liberation by the day.
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We, as Iraqi Resistance, will continue to make efforts to expel all the US forces from Iraq and some other regional countries, if not the region as a whole. However, today, we are only thinking of Gaza, and our eyes are only set on Gaza. Our battle with the Americans is still ongoing, and though our operations were launched in conjunction with Operation al-Aqsa Flood, they will not stop with it. They will continue for the Americans.

The situation can be discussed at a later date after the war on Gaza is over. But for now, our eyes are fixed on Gaza, and the reasoning behind our operations and all the pressure we are exerting on the Americans through our strikes is for the lifting of the blockade. When all is said and done, we can talk about this issue in more detail.
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I told you about a pivotal cause that cannot be laid down: If the Americans simply left Iraq and violated or attacked another country in the Axis of Resistance, should the Iraqi Resistance stand idle and say there is no US presence here anymore? No. We are for a complete eradication of US military presence in the region so that we can rid it of Wahsington's evil.

US presence in any of these countries is pure evil, an evil that can spread from one country to another. Even if they were not in Iraq anymore, their malicious actions could still affect the Republic. Removing them from the entire region restores stability, and what we seek is the stability of the region away from the US forces and all those backing them.


Al-Husseini is adamant, I recommend this interview. Thanks to the original poster who linked it.

The Iraqi Islamic resistance has a lot up its sleeve to stop and force the Americans to halt the battle there in Gaza and exit Iraq. We are not talking here about American withdrawals, negotiation, or scheduling. No, the Americans will leave humiliated, under the missiles of the resistance. They will be forced to leave. They will leave behind their own soldiers' corpses and many of their collaborators who supported them over the past two decades.

The scene seen in Afghanistan may repeat itself when they left, leaving their collaborators who had praised them day and night as advisers, a force that came to fight against ISIS, and so on. No, the Americans will leave humiliated, and those who defended the Americans throughout the past period will be humiliated.

Posted by: jonku | Jan 15 2024 19:54 utc | 5

See; Its NOT a genocide -

Just mass murder

Posted by: Exile | Jan 15 2024 19:55 utc | 6

Al manaar has a report that some brigades of the zionist diaper troops are pulling out of Gaza.
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2026851

Posted by: Crouchingtiger | Jan 15 2024 19:57 utc | 7

This documentary covering the Tantura massacre is hard to watch but it is essential to understanding the current crisis created by the zionist colony: https://www.tantura-film.com/

Posted by: liveload | Jan 15 2024 19:59 utc | 8

the national post - canuck paper - ain't worth looking at.. right wing ideology, bordering on fascist.. does the asper family still own it after conrad blacks fall from grace?? jewish winnipeg family.. that is who used to own it..

Posted by: james | Jan 15 2024 19:53 utc | 4

Guessed as much, that's why I didn't put a link, just happened to be the ONLY result for news last 24 hours "icj hearing israel"

Now google is really hitting new lows on search censuring

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 15 2024 20:00 utc | 9

must read
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/13/it-is-a-time-of-witch-hunts-in-israel-teacher-held-in-solitary-confinement-for-posting-concern-about-gaza-deaths

the best move gulf countries can do, before the embargo, is to call antiwar Israelis to emigrate en masse, NOW, and welcome them.

Posted by: Minaa | Jan 15 2024 20:10 utc | 10

RE: Posted by: jonku | Jan 15 2024 19:54 utc | 5

I appreciate the full post. I personally don’t think the “Iraqi Resistance” has that much up their sleeve. They’ve been resisting their close to 20 years, and there are still 3-4 US Bases with the glorious Kurds they’re doing Israeli’s bidding of settlements for them.

As for UAE, UAE is all over the board, they’re like Turkey, they’ll do business with anyone, even Iran, they are fickle, and serve their own monied interests above all. If a shift happens, they’ll flee to the “winning” side, even if it’s the “resistance” side. They don’t have a populace to deal with like Saudi Arabia. Their populace cares little what the governance does.

Anyways, the only “hurt” I see for US/Israel interest would be a ME wide resistance response and an actual 3 Intifada with an Israeli ground and Sea invasion.
Other than a region wide attack, status quo will remain the same after the dust settles and a “ceasefire” starts, which looks more probable that a region wide war.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 15 2024 20:15 utc | 11

I'm amazed that the Brits are allowed to do this.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/uk-alleged-use-cyprus-bases-arm-israel-hit-yemen-draw-protests/5846344

Posted by: jpc | Jan 15 2024 20:48 utc | 12

Grant Shapps gave a speech today at langcaster house in london.

I didnt hear it or see it, to protect my mental well being.

Apparently he said the uk needs to spend more money on miltary defence, much much more money on milatary.

He said pretty much most of the rest of the world hates us an were gunna have to fight everyone.

Basicly were all right its every one else is the bad guys. Snigger.

The mans got no insight or self awarness.
No sense of the rediculess .
No moral compass or foresight.

Dam who the hell wants to buy world war three.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 15 2024 20:48 utc | 13

These people live in a different reality to us Mark2

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 15 2024 20:48 utc | 13

Posted by: jpc | Jan 15 2024 20:51 utc | 14

- Missile attack on the refinery in Haifa, Israel ??????????

Who did this ? Hezbollah ? Iraq ? .......... ?

Posted by: WMG | Jan 15 2024 20:53 utc | 15

james | Jan 15 2024 19:53 utc | 4

The Aspers are an ultra Zionist family.
So is Paul Godfrey-a former Toronto Alderman- who runs the entire chain.
As to ownership I believe that they are owned by a US based Hedge Fund. The business model involves cashing in on the Canadian government's generous subsidies, shaking down places like Google (which pays $100 million annually to the news industry in Canada) and servicing the debt. Up to, I believe, $30,000 per annum of a 'journalist's salary is provided by Ottawa.
Palestine coverage, across the media, reflects this dependence on government. Whether or not the 'proprietor' is a Zionist or a Christan Socialist no longer makes a difference.
"He who pays the piper calls the tune."
It is a totally surreal situation,

Posted by: bevin | Jan 15 2024 20:57 utc | 16

Jpc @ 14
Yes indeed..
Half a million go on a protest march through london, two days later he spouts that nonsence, in an election year.
Next we get the MI5-6 false flag london terrorist attacks jus to whip up the hatred level, of the grunts.
So prdictable, set your watch by it.
Rsspect.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 15 2024 21:04 utc | 17

On a more general point, it was obviously becoming clear to the US that the restrictions on passage through the Red Sea were only having a minor effect on the World but a major one on their buddies the Israelis. Leading to very little pressure from the RoW to do something about it. In particular, whilst Eilat had suffered a drop of 80%, there was only a 30% reduction in ships going through the Suez Canal. This was just not fair. Everyone had to suffer if Yemen was to be forced somehow into conceding that Israel cargoes could restart.

What to do about it? Well now we know, make the passage unsafe for more ships and/or increase dramatically insurance costs. Yup by a 'flash war' on Yemen.

The result is that in addition to Israel ships now US/UK ships run a risk in entering the Red Sea or seemingly getting too close to Yemen. In their minds, misreading the Houtis, its a start.

Meanwhile we are in the middle of a really cold spell in Northern Europe and a short one in the UK. The 21 day Cape of Good Hope delay on Qatari LNG ships reaching Europe threatened today could have everyone digging deeper into their reserves than they planned. Whilst the US LPG traders rub their hands with glee as the value of their cargoes crossing the Atlantic could be increasing with ever hour. Imagine the pleading now going on by the Euros trying to persuade the Yemenis that theirs are a 'clean' cargo.

Posted by: JohninMK | Jan 15 2024 21:11 utc | 18

IRCG just hammered a US base in Iraq. I mean hammered

Posted by: liveload | Jan 15 2024 21:15 utc | 19

[BLOCKQUOTE]- Missile attack on the refinery in Haifa, Israel ??????????

Who did this ? Hezbollah ? Iraq ? .......... ?

Posted by: WMG | Jan 15 2024 20:53 utc | 15 [/BLOCKQUOTE]

As per Israel's answer for the "manageable" anomaly, it was merely "atmospheric pressure." ;)

Jah will provide, it seems.

Posted by: titmouse | Jan 15 2024 21:15 utc | 20

Today is Martin Luther King Day in the U.S.A. “ Because of our involvement in humanity, we must be concerned about every human being” is the quote from Martin Luther King which all our elected officials here in the States are honoring. "Happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day! Today, we honor Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s legacy by recommitting to his work: fighting racism, promoting economic opportunity for all, and combating injustice and discrimination." emails my Senator Mark Warner of Virginia. All the while all these elected officials up there in Washington are "gung-ho" on Israel and its genocide in progress of the Palestinian people whose only fault it is to be "Palestinian." So, much for combating injustice and discrimination, so much for concern for "every" human being. Washington! WHat gives?

Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Jan 15 2024 21:18 utc | 21

Oops! Ha ha ha, sorry for the formatting everyone! I assumed standard brackets for HTML tags. :@)

Posted by: titmouse | Jan 15 2024 21:20 utc | 22

IRCG just hammered a US base in Iraq. I mean hammered

Posted by: liveload | Jan 15 2024 21:15 utc | 19

Sources?

Posted by: WMG | Jan 15 2024 21:24 utc | 23

Here's a source on the IRCG attack on the US base: https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1747004477645656521

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jan 15 2024 21:36 utc | 24

James@1953

The highest level of usefulness for all those Tribal owned doilies, is as emergency buttwiper.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 15 2024 21:37 utc | 25

Posted by: jo6pac | Jan 15 2024 19:34 utc | 3

Speaking of Gonzalo Lira, a journalist by any rational account, the US and its allies care nothing for "press freedom" - despite their constant yammering about it when it's convenient to smearing the du jour "hostile foreign power" or "dictator" of a country that doesn't kowtow to Wall Street, DC, Israel and The City. In fact they actually hate honest journalism and that's precisely why Julian Assange rots in a cell, not having been convicted of anything, let alone an act of violence or "terrorism" but all we hear about is the WSJ's reporter in jail in Russia where he was almost assuredly gathering intelligence for NATO and Ukrainian use. Then we have Gaza, where the Israelis - with full American backing - have targeted and murdered countless journalists, including American citizens like Lira.

And the US DoS didn't just do nothing to ensure his safety; they actively encouraged the Ukros to abuse him and keep him imprisoned. Just like they do with Assange in Belmarsh. These people really are sociopaths and psychos. I hesitated to even call them people with how they encourage and stand idle when the Ukros and Israelis both characterize the Russians as "orcs" and the Palestinians as "animals" - or worse. And our corporate, captured media only pretends to care about their own when it's a non-dissenting American or Brit being held or persecuted abroad. IOW, to use one of Lira's frequent terms: the US, UK and Israel (and of course others like the Saudis) only care for journos when they're "system pigs."

RIP Lira and I fear we'll soon be saying the same for Assange.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 15 2024 21:43 utc | 26

Total number of hostages/prisoners of war freed by milatary action in Gaza by Israelie milatary..... 1
Yep thats right, one.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 15 2024 21:46 utc | 27

Jonku@1954

It would not surprise me one iota if the primary Gulf target for the Iraqi resistance forces with their alleged myriad of missiles is, indeed, the UAE. Their Quisling like role against Muslim resistance forces, those heroes in support of those suffering in Gaza; makes the ruling regime and its minions in the Emirates into the enemies of faithful Muslims.

A small federation of Sheikdoms, the UAE presents a luxurious face in Dubai...a playground in pleasant waters for the elite of the planet....all those shining towers, gulf-courses, tennis courts, swimming pools and basking areas...most particularly those towers of pride and faux magnificence would make the most tempting and tasty of targets.

Perhaps that is the plan.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 15 2024 21:47 utc | 28

As per Israel's answer for the "manageable" anomaly, it was merely "atmospheric pressure." ;)

Jah will provide, it seems.

Posted by: titmouse | Jan 15 2024 21:15 utc | 20

High explosives have a way of generating million PSI levels of atmospheric pressure just as they explode...

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 15 2024 21:49 utc | 29

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 15 2024 21:43 utc | 26

And to be clear, anticipating any "purity" or "historian" replies to my above comment re: Lira, my only mild criticisms of him were due to his initial seeming refusal to GTFO of Ukraine (prior to being detained the first time) and his early days of trying to become an "influencer" in the so-called Pickup Artist scene online. He obviously settled in very nicely over time as an accurate chronicler of Ukro-Nazi abuses and FUKUSNATO skullduggery in Ukraine, and - in part due to his early "influencer" status - he educated a wide swathe of people who normally might not have ever even cared about what is happening there. That said, IIRC, he did once praise Pinochet, which did not provide for good optics, even if it was (to a tiny degree) understandable given that his forebears were probably among the class of people in Chile who supported him.

He died a courageous journalist, a dissenter, and a valuable source of information; and in a lot of peoples' minds (rightly so), a flawed hero.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 15 2024 21:50 utc | 30

🇮🇱❌🇪🇬❗️ — Israeli Channel reports that Egyptian Army soldiers crossed the Israeli border and opened fire against Israeli Border Guards forces!
https://t.me/intelslava/54714

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 15 2024 21:51 utc | 31

There were two attacks at Erbil: one at the Harir air base and a second at the US consulate.

The target was "“spy headquarters” of anti-Iran groups in the Region":

“In response to the recent terrorist crimes of the enemies of the Islamic Republic of Iran, the spy headquarters and gatherings of anti-Iran groups in parts of the Region were targeted by IRGC ballistic missiles in the middle of the night,” IRGC-affiliated Tasnim news agency cited a statement by the group as saying.

It's one of those nights again.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jan 15 2024 21:51 utc | 32

Here's a source on the IRCG attack on the US base: https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1747004477645656521

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jan 15 2024 21:36 utc | 24

IRCG?!? Well... some more details

https://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/150120241

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 15 2024 21:53 utc | 33

Telegram is loaded with footage on many channels, here's one: https://t.me/ResistanceTrench2/2492

Posted by: liveload | Jan 15 2024 21:55 utc | 34

🇮🇷⚡️🇮🇱🇺🇸 The moment ballistic missiles landed on Mossad headquarters in Erbil.
https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/23393


🇮🇷🇮🇶🇵🇸🚀🏴‍☠️🇺🇸 Khalil Nasrallah - Regional Affairs Specialist:

If the espionage headquarters targeted by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards in #Erbil are affiliated with the Israeli Mossad, this would be the second strike within two years.

Previously, the Guards destroyed a Mossad headquarters in March 2022 in response to the martyrdom of two of its advisors in Syria.

The Guards' statement linked the recent attacks inside Iran with last night's strike.

Details are awaited, as announced in the statement, to be revealed later for a better understanding of the nature of the incident.

However, undoubtedly, the timing of the strike puts pressure on the Americans and Israelis, and is not separate from the American escalation in the region through support for the war on #Gaza.

https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/23394

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 15 2024 21:56 utc | 35

james | Jan 15 2024 19:53 utc | 4

The Aspers are an ultra Zionist family.
"So is Paul Godfrey-a former Toronto Alderman- who runs the entire chain.
As to ownership I believe that they are owned by a US based Hedge Fund. The business model involves cashing in on the Canadian government's generous subsidies, shaking down places like Google (which pays $100 million annually to the news industry in Canada) and servicing the debt. Up to, I believe, $30,000 per annum of a 'journalist's salary is provided by Ottawa.
Palestine coverage, across the media, reflects this dependence on government. Whether or not the 'proprietor' is a Zionist or a Christan Socialist no longer makes a difference.
"He who pays the piper calls the tune."
It is a totally surreal situation,"

Posted by: bevin | Jan 15 2024 20:57 utc | 16

As a Canadian I can't refute any of above statement-strange in that Pierre Trudeau a Leftist made Canada more independent of the Crown yet his son who only got the position because of the name is a Fascist commanded by the City.

Oh, well...

Posted by: canuck | Jan 15 2024 21:57 utc | 36

Npt confirmed, but both Arabic and israeli news are mentioning Egyptian troops crossed border and attacked israeli forces . There have been isolated incidents over time so gather its a similar event.

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 15 2024 22:01 utc | 37

— 🇮🇷 🇮🇷 The IRGC's Ballistic Missiles targeted the following sites:

- 🏴 ISIS gatherings & command points in Syria.

- 🇺🇸 U.S. Consulate in Erbil, Iraqi Kurdistan.

- 🇮🇱 A Mossad spy-headquarters / fortified safehouse near Erbil in Iraqi Kurdistan.

Posted by: liveload | Jan 15 2024 22:05 utc | 38

Don't seem to remember seeing this one from the end of November, HUMINT severely impacted?

The representative of the Islamic Jihad movement in Tehran said the identity of many spies working for Israel, even those inside Iran, were disclosed when the resistance forces obtained information from the Israeli data servers after the Al-Aqsa Storm operation on October 7.

Nasser Abu-Sharif, the Islamic Jihad's representative in Iran, made the remarks during an event held in Tehran on Wednesday. His remarks concerned the Al-Aqsa Storm operation of October 7 that was waged by the Islamic Jihad and its fellow Palestinian resistance movement Hamas.

During the operation, "the resistance managed to take the Israeli regime's intelligence servers to Gaza," he said.

"The servers contained the names of many spies even those who were inside the Islamic Republic," Abu-Sharif added, Press TV reported.
He said the operation's "achievements beggar belief" since it caught "the entire world's intelligence apparatuses" by surprise.

As many as 50 Israeli bases were seized by the resistance during the operation, which also resulted in many fatalities within the Israeli regime's military, the envoy noted.

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 15 2024 22:05 utc | 39

Got this from Twitter:

U.S. CONFIRMS IRGC MISSILE ATTACK IN IRAQ

U.S. officials have confirmed IRGC directly launched a ballistic missile attack near the U.S. Consulate in Erbil, Northern Iraq, from Iranian territory.

Source: Al Jazeera

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jan 15 2024 22:06 utc | 40

Reports of Egyptian troops in a skirmish with Zionist troops on the Gaza border. Israeli and Arab media are reporting casualties on the Israeli side after the Egyptians crossed over. It's unclear atm if this is some kind of operation or not

Posted by: liveload | Jan 15 2024 22:07 utc | 41

‼️🇮🇶💥🇺🇸🏴‍☠️ In Erbil, according to preliminary information, the building of the American embassy and the barracks of the US army were destroyed.

We are waiting for confirmation or refutation of the information.

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/96273

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 15 2024 22:09 utc | 42

Trubind1@ nine years ago

Churchill wrote a series of books about WWII. One of them was titled: "The Gathering Storm".

That title precisely depicts the situation on the Arab...and Muslim...portion of the world.

Oh, many of the regimes are both corrupted and corruptive. But, as in the Western world...half a billion on the streets for Palestine in London and around 200,000 protesters of the genocide upon the people of Gaza, demonstrating in the Di$trict of Corruption...the numbers in the nearly one-fifth of the planetary population who happen to be Muslims...are overwhelming and virtually incomprehensible.

No doubt, that military-minded activists in the Middle East are preparing for a genuine Jihad, one in support of their ever suffering Palestinian neighbors, who in Gaza, with open support by Hezbollah and AnserAllah, present the first wave of protection for the starving, dehydrated and medically challenged Gazans. Can we expect a wave of volunteers from that mass of Muslims to travel that they may directly join the resistance?

Pressure is rapidly increasing in Sisi's Egypt, with it's population of a hundred million enraged citizens. Likewise in Jordan, with its Western-owned king tap-dancing on a tightrope, so to speak, doing what he can to maintain balance between his financier masters and his more than half demographic made up of Palestinians. It may soon be an obligation to shit or get off the pot for those two.

Longer the war drags on...essential for the psychopathic Nuts n' Yahoos to stay IN power and OUT of court...the more the concentration of pressure in all Muslim nations...and in growing resonance...the common people of the rest of the planet. Here, the first law of physics...and of metaphysics...comes into play: "For each action, there is an equal but opposite reaction".

Only long-term solution is for the Zionist regime in Occupied Palestine to become utterly dissolved and for its stalwarts in "Chosenite", Talmudic supremacism, to become scattered among many non-Muslim nations and perhaps to their own perverse paradise in some remote location, far away from decent and civilized people. Some modest numbers of those righteous among Judaics to be forgiven and accepted, to remain in New Palestine.

Forgiveness of one's enemies was one of the central messages from Jesus, the Great Spiritual Teacher for the Western and westernized lands.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 15 2024 22:12 utc | 43

jpc@2028

One can rest assured that Hezbollah is calmly assessing their possible timing for a massive missile strike upon that British-Occupied airbase in Cyprus. THAT would put paid upon any further colonialist/imperialist pretensions on the part of the mangy old lion.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 15 2024 22:15 utc | 44

@ bevin | Jan 15 2024 20:57 utc | 16

i don't understand how that works.. google pays canada money to pay reporters? is that sort of what you are saying? thanks..

Posted by: james | Jan 15 2024 22:18 utc | 45

Lathe Biosas | Jan 15 2024 22:06 utc | 40

We have heard nothing of the ship the US seals tried to board a few days ago. I had assumed it to be an Iranian ship. The ballistic missile strike makes it quite likely the US have been targeting Iran shipping in the area with their pirate attacks.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2024 22:19 utc | 46

I don't know which was the target here, but it was really hammered.

Looks like the time is approaching when this will be a "West Asia" open thread.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jan 15 2024 22:19 utc | 47

After thirty years and three wars of fighting the Muslim whom my government taught me to hate, I have come to know the Muslim. And I have arrived at a very simple truth.

The night before battle the Christian warrior prays to God and asks that God grant him the strength to overcome the enemy.

The night before battle the Muslim warrior simply says Inshallah. God willing, we will win the battle.

I have come to understand that the Muslim concept of God is much more advanced. The Muslim understands that we live within God. Everything is God’s will and you cannot influence it.

Christians are an affront to God. The idea that us mortal simians could influence a perfect and infinite entity through our pleading prayers is perverse.

And indeed the true Christ preached against this. Read the Gospel of Thomas. Which of course, the church and clergy disavows.

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 15 2024 22:22 utc | 48

Mark2@2048

"Who the hell wants to buy WWIII?"

That possibility is not so far away for most denizens of the Sceptred Isle. Simply consider the commanding position in financial, insurance, maritime affairs, mining and metals, mass-media presented in the "Square Mile"/The City.

All those commanding vested interests fear that their commanding heights are in danger of avalanche conditions disturbing their comfortable roosts. Wall $treet is in full accord and compliance.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 15 2024 22:22 utc | 49

No doubt, that military-minded activists in the Middle East are preparing for a genuine Jihad, one in support of their ever suffering Palestinian neighbors, who in Gaza, with open support by Hezbollah and AnserAllah, present the first wave of protection for the starving, dehydrated and medically challenged Gazans. Can we expect a wave of volunteers from that mass of Muslims to travel that they may directly join the resistance?

Computer says no...unlikely at best, who would let them pass? Egypt?

Pressure is rapidly increasing in Sisi's Egypt, with it's population of a hundred million enraged citizens. Likewise in Jordan, with its Western-owned king tap-dancing on a tightrope, so to speak, doing what he can to maintain balance between his financier masters and his more than half demographic made up of Palestinians. It may soon be an obligation to shit or get off the pot for those two.

Palestinians in Egypt may be 110.000 , AROUND 1 IN A THOUSAND, Egypt has 110 M

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 15 2024 22:12 utc | 43

As above, so below

Sorry but unlikely short of any major change.

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 15 2024 22:25 utc | 50

A year or two back, maybe longer, I read something about an arrangement where the Brits would run the show against Russia and the US would concentrate on the war against China. US and UK have been equal allies since Briton detonated its first hydrogen bomb. This appears to be occurring now. China is likely to be the country most affected by closure of the red sea and conflict around the Persian gulf oil zone.
The Brits are escalating against Russia and the American are escalating in the middle east. Soon the American front will move to the Chinese coast/Asia pacific region.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2024 22:28 utc | 51

The Brits are escalating against Russia and the American are escalating in the middle east. Soon the American front will move to the Chinese coast/Asia pacific region.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2024 22:28 utc | 51

Unlikely that UK could hold its end of the game.

US might want to force china into a conflict before 2033 (when china would be likely ready for it) but it has to sell it internally and not have prior engagements in Europe and ME

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 15 2024 22:31 utc | 52

The Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) says it has fired barrages of ballistic missiles at Syrian bases of terrorists who were involved in recent terror attacks in Iranian cities of Kerman and Rask, as well as an Israeli espionage base in the Iraqi Kurdistan region.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/01/15/718304/IRGC%E2%80%99s-missiles-hit-Syrian-bases-of-terrorists-involved-in-Iran-terror-attacks

Posted by: JB | Jan 15 2024 22:36 utc | 53

asistodemos @ 49
I agree with your view on this.

How ever i'm an optamist.

Perhaps what we see is the last desperate throws and actions of a fast demising ofinstution, financaly bankrupt and moraly bankrupt.
Is this the begining of the end for blighty ?

Who the gods wish to distroy they first make mad.
Gen interested in your view here.
Repect.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 15 2024 22:38 utc | 54

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2024 22:19 utc | 46

I wouldn't be surprised. This is not the first time the IRCG has attacked the Empire at Erbil, it also happened in 2022, but the framework is totally different now.

Preliminary info, TBC, say 5 US civilians have been killed.

This is a major make or break point. There are already calls for immediate and urgent international attention.

Perhaps the crazies will finally get the war they're longing for all this time. It won't serve them well.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jan 15 2024 22:39 utc | 55

🇮🇷💥🇮🇱☠️Preliminary reports that Kurdish oil tycoon associated with Mossad - Peshraw Dizayee, owner of Empire and Falcon Group, has been liquidated in IRGC attacks.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/98702

Posted by: liveload | Jan 15 2024 22:44 utc | 56

Sorry for typos
Time to get some sleep.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 15 2024 22:44 utc | 57

@RLTW (and Aristodemos)

I've read the Gospel of Thomas. Thank you for the suggestion. Fascinating and needs further delving. But not for discussion at the moment, hopefully in more peaceful times.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jan 15 2024 22:44 utc | 58

Some more on Iran's strikes:

https://english.almayadeen.net/shortnews

Posted by: JB | Jan 15 2024 22:46 utc | 59

Interestingly when the Iran missiles hit the usa base. Media attention is drawn to point out shock waves damaging homes in the vicinity and rescue teams cited as working on civilian casualties . Civilian lives matter when its Iran

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 15 2024 22:46 utc | 60

https://t.me/ResistanceTrench2/2534
"Moment of precise strike on Mossad HQ in Erbil"

Posted by: liveload | Jan 15 2024 22:51 utc | 61

🇮🇱❌🇪🇬❗️ — Israeli Channel reports that Egyptian Army soldiers crossed the Israeli border and opened fire against Israeli Border Guards forces!
https://t.me/intelslava/54714
Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 15 2024 21:51 utc | 31

Could be a false flag?
Given the revelations about the Israeli's killing a lot more of their own citizens than first realised.
Plus they were informed by the Egyptian team that something was going to happen.

Posted by: jpc | Jan 15 2024 22:54 utc | 62

Posted by: JB | Jan 15 2024 22:46 utc | 59

Thanks, JB. This from the feed shows we're not there yet:

Two US officials to Reuters: Missile strikes in Iraq did not affect any US facilities and there were no US casualties.

Now, most probably they can't know yet if there were any casualties, and there's conflicting info, but this is the way they've decided to play it out.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jan 15 2024 22:56 utc | 63

Mark2 | Jan 15 2024 22:44 utc | 57

I have never been good at writing/typing. When I was getting very unwell and particularly when I was very tired, there were times when my typos got so bad that when I saw them the next day, even I could not decipher them. When my health was at its worst and could no longer participate here, I had a bit of a breakthrough and picked up somewhat and the worst of my typos seem to have disappeared though still get a few when I am tired. I guess that is why your typos have never bothered me.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2024 22:59 utc | 64

Lathe Biosas | Jan 15 2024 22:56 utc | 63

American sheeple voters do not like boots in bodybags. Therefore blind them with bullshit.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2024 23:03 utc | 65

RE: Posted by: jpc | Jan 15 2024 22:54 utc | 62

Well, Israel did proclaim they’d take the Philadelphia Line by force if needed. Guessing it was a “response” to Israel’s force, not an assault. if happened, if real…

Egypt is not going to let Israel control border.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 15 2024 23:08 utc | 66

Russia must stand with Iran that helped Russia when all other 200 nations turned away.

NATO should not be allowed to turn Iran into another Libya without paying a very hefty price.

Posted by: Jason | Jan 15 2024 23:12 utc | 67

This post is doing the rounds

An Iranian strike kills Peshraw Dzeyi, a Kurdish billionaire with ties to the Mossad, who owns the Empire and Falcon Group companies. His wife was killed along with him.
Four missiles were fired into his house.

Falcon was founded in 2003 after the occupation of Iraq. Main areas of activity: oil, construction, security.
Received a licence to work in Iraq almost immediately after the overthrow of Saddam from the occupation administration. In its security service works a large number of former military men of the U.S. Army.

The importance of the figure is confirmed by the fact that as many as 4 ballistic missiles were not spared on him.

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 15 2024 23:14 utc | 68

RE: “During the incident six drug smugglers were arrested in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula south of Al-Awja border crossing - known in Israel as the Nitzana crossing - the security sources added.

The Israeli army's Arabic spokesperson, Avichay Adraee, said 20 "suspects," including gunmen, approached the border near Nitzana before being fired at by soldiers operating in the area.”

Apparently “armed drug smugglers opened fire” from the Israeli side of border … lol …
Who buys this garbage? The UN or Red Cross can’t even get near the place with all the Israeli IDF gangsters there, but “20 armed drug dealers” managed… lol

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 15 2024 23:20 utc | 69

The importance of the figure is confirmed by the fact that as many as 4 ballistic missiles were not spared on him.

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 15 2024 23:14 utc | 68

Seen the news, not the context, thanks.

Always a good idea going after the comprador, but the master would be better

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 15 2024 23:21 utc | 70

American sheeple voters do not like boots in bodybags. Therefore blind them with bullshit.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2024 23:03 utc | 65

Perhaps we'll see an announcement in a few days that X American soldiers died in an exercise or from prostate cancer.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jan 15 2024 23:21 utc | 71

China is likely to be the country most affected by closure of the red sea and conflict around the Persian gulf oil zone.
The Brits are escalating against Russia and the American are escalating in the middle east. Soon the American front will move to the Chinese coast/Asia pacific region.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2024 22:28 utc | 51

First of all, the most likely countries to affected by closure of the Red Sea are European. China's economy does not need to acquire useless Euros in exchange for material goods in order to keep running. It doesn't even need all that much oil, assuming the Persian Gulf is also closed, because it gets adequate energy from Russia for domestic needs- imports from the ME fuel the export trade which is non-essential to China.

US may possibly prosper from this if it is able to take up some of the manufacturing slack for the European market, but I think that will take quite a while to achieve. Europe is screwed.

If USUK wants to cut off China from ME oil without completely sinking the western economies, they have to do it in the Malay straits. We may well see some color revolutions or 'insurgencies' in that region soon.

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 15 2024 23:22 utc | 72

RE: Posted by: liveload | Jan 15 2024 22:44 utc | 56

Good choice for resistance forces. The glorious Kurds and their Israeli overlords that steal the gas and more for glorious Israel. Excellent target. Message sent… assassinations have consequences…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 15 2024 23:28 utc | 73

james | Jan 15 2024 22:18 utc | 45

Amazing isn't it. $100 million this year, another $100 million next year... and pretty soon you're talking money.
https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/googles-promised-100-million-a-year-brings-hope-for-canadian-news

Posted by: bevin | Jan 15 2024 23:32 utc | 74

Honzo | Jan 15 2024 23:22 utc | 72

There is also the northern sea route for China Europe trade plus the rail which is well established. Russia China has seen this coming. Not so difficult, like the Rand corp and over stretching Russia and Thinking through the unthinkable - war with China.

The sanctions from hell and the ruble is rubble neanderthal intelligence.

Appreciate your input here honzo. your comments are always worth reading.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2024 23:34 utc | 75

More Israel/Germany related than Palestine, per se:

https://fair.org/home/at-springer-accurate-reporting-can-get-you-investigated/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 15 2024 23:37 utc | 76

Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 15 2024 23:37 utc | 76

More than investigated as per Alina Lipp. She faces jail time if she returns to Germany.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2024 23:44 utc | 77

ZH article about drones versus missile costs for French frigate:
http://tinyurl.com/yvqslunz

A key reason that Yemen's Houthis are unlikely to halt their attacks on Red Sea shipping as well as Western warships parked there is because immense pressure on the global transit waterway can be kept up, while it costs little to persist with such launches.

Many of the Houthis drones which are capable of reaching vessels far off the Yemeni coast have been estimated at not more than $20,000. Some of them are as low as a few thousand dollars to build. They can easily be intercepted by US and UK coalition warships, but at an immense cost for these Western militaries.


Anti-air missiles fired from coalition ships are commonly estimated at over $1 million each. This means the Houthis can keep the attacks coming, and on the cheap while watching Western warships blow through expensive arsenals.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 15 2024 23:49 utc | 78

Hankster | Jan 15 2024 23:14 utc | 68--

The precision of the strikes is impressive; the safe house was thought to be safe so close to the Outlaw US Empire's consulate. The strike also sends a message to all other collaborators that they aren't safe anywhere. Whoever was within the consulate probably needed to change their clothes.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 15 2024 23:50 utc | 79

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2024 23:34 utc | 75

I would add that AnsarAllah have not targeted any tankers yet.

As Peter mentioned, the rail is well established and rail cargo traffic may even double:

With the shipping situation in disarray, some Chinese exporters have now turned to the China-Europe Railway Express, which connects China and Europe through an extensive network of rail services.

Forgione said there has been a significant increase in requests for information about the railway. It runs through more than 100 cities in 11 Asian countries and regions and reaches 217 cities across 25 European nations.

“The railway to Europe is a viable alternative and we are seeing increased demand for that route. The railway is more feasible for containerised traffic,” Forgione said.

“The expectation is that the use of rail could even double in the next few weeks as an alternative to sea freight.”

This is a great favor to China:

In a way, the Houthis have inadvertently done China a big favor," Xiao Yunhua, a professor at the Asian giant's National Defense University in the country's capital said on social media.

Yunhua noted that the disturbance caused by the targeting of civilian ships in the region would force more businesses to shift to railways, giving a renewed push to Chinese President Xi Jinping's prime infrastructure project, the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI)


Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jan 15 2024 23:51 utc | 80

I have come to understand that the Muslim concept of God is much more advanced. The Muslim understands that we live within God. Everything is God’s will and you cannot influence it.

Christians are an affront to God. The idea that us mortal simians could influence a perfect and infinite entity through our pleading prayers is perverse.

And indeed the true Christ preached against this. Read the Gospel of Thomas. Which of course, the church and clergy disavows.

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 15 2024 22:22 utc | 48

[sorry for OT - just to address 48]

The first Sura of Qur’an is prayer. The last two are prayers. Servants of God are recorded as praying in Qur’an. The Prophet (SAWS) told us to pray forgiveness for our past deeds. There is an entire book of prayers taught by the Prophet (SAWS). The essence of the matter is “Trust in We don’t live “in” Allah. Allah is “Holy and Exalted” (but not a sky god - see Thomas 22 for precise explanation...) Jesus (AS) in Thomas is addressing disciple/initiates not lay followers, meaning those who actually live like he did: heart of love and _zero_ attachment; none. Fasting is bad for them, giving alms is bad for them, because they are “drunk”, and they can eat whatever is placed in front of them. In return, they are to “heal the sick”.

For Spiritual Warriors, the Prophet has left us this Gift:

Dua Al-Jawshan Al-Kabeer / The Supplication of the Major Chain-Armour

It has been mentioned in the book, Balad al-Amin and the Misbah of Kafa`mi that Imam `Ali ibn al-Husain Sayyid as-Sajjidin related from his father from his grandfather the Prophet of Allah that this supplication was taught by the Angel Jibra’il to the Prophet during one of the battles.

It was in one of the wars that the Prophet had taken part in which he had a very heavy and expensive coat of armor on to protect himself.

It is related that the coat was so heavy that it was hurting the body of the Prophet. In this state, the Angel Jibra’il came to the Prophet and said:

“O’ Muhammad! Your Lord conveys his salutations to you and has said to take this coat of armor (Jawshan) and to recite it as this is a protection for you and your Ummah.”

http://www.qul.org.au/library/duas-supplications/405-dua-al-jawshan-al-kabeer-the-supplication-of-the-major-chain-armour

wa Salaam!

Posted by: robinthehood | Jan 15 2024 23:53 utc | 81

Question: If it were you, these are the people the "Two State Solution" would have you living next to?
WARNING EXTREMELY SENSITIVE VIDEO: https://t.me/QudsNen/93480

Posted by: liveload | Jan 15 2024 23:58 utc | 82


Russia must stand with Iran that helped Russia when all other 200 nations turned away.

NATO should not be allowed to turn Iran into another Libya without paying a very hefty price.

Posted by: Jason | Jan 15 2024 23:12 utc | 67

Today's strike in Erbil and Mossad HQ with ballistic missiles, Fateh-110 among other demonstrate that US has no functional air defense against them. It also demonstrates the superb accuracy, and extensive Iran's intelligent network.

That means, Iran could destroy all US airports (maybe even aircraft on the ground), and port facilities used to rearm the US navy in the Persian Gulf. Iran can probably do that because they have large enough quantity of launch ready missiles.

If that were to happen, US ground forces in Syria and Iraq would quickly find themselves merely in a large open air POW camp, which Iran could pick off at will.

US in the Middle East is done one way or the other.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 16 2024 0:00 utc | 83

RE: Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 15 2024 22:12 utc | 43

Yup, though even if Nutty is gone and behind bars, it would change nothing. It appears “civilizational” perhaps, not sure, as Alstair Crooke seems to think.

More than Iran, I’ve held the ME to be more about Syria than anything. US unfinished business and a desire to open and stretch Russia.
If they could cause a problem for China with Iranian oil, that would be a bonus. They would like to do all this, without a hardship to themselves, but as we see, they are currently, on record increasing “boots on the ground” to 1500 between Syria and Iraq because of ISIS .

What began with Israel, why it has not been reigned in, is Russia & China as the real aim. Inconvenience, stretching, creating chaos again for them. Something they don’t like or want, but that West thrives on.

Of course, all the guns and bombs are pointed in wrong direction. Only Yemen seems to have it right. No more Muslim against Muslim nation battles in this ME excursion, Iran/Russia and China need to get the enemy right this time.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 16 2024 0:02 utc | 84

@81 re: prayer

We do not ask God to win the lottery. We ask that his will be done always and that we live in accord with His Holy Will.

Iow, we can not help to change God's judgement on us, but we ask that prayer change US, that through prayer, we come to understand and dwell in Him better.

That we petition the Saints to intercede for us is nothing more than asking the Holy Spirit to come into our fallen friends and family and comfort them in their pain and lead them towards a Christly-life.

Typical pile-on against Christianity without understanding it.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 16 2024 0:04 utc | 85

The first U.S. response is to deny the consulate was struck or any Americans injured. Right-wing media demanding "disproportionate" attack on Iran.

Also, reports on the two missing Navy Seals are odd because the story - whereby one slipped and fell in the water and the other dived in to rescue - features a "ladder" but does not describe where the ladder came from or, similarly, what delivered the Seals to the vessel they were supposedly boarding.

Posted by: jayc | Jan 16 2024 0:04 utc | 86

b has written before that the Palestine threads encompass what he said was the axis of resistance and The Cradle is now using the Resistance Axis to refer to all the active players in the ME part of the civilization war we are in.

The Cradle has a posting up documenting more US boots-on-the-ground in Syria and Iraq, supposedly to fight ISIS.

https://new.thecradle.co/articles/us-to-send-1500-troops-to-syria-and-iraq

The quote that refutes

According to Axios, the US military presence in the region reached about 45,400 as of October 2023. The majority is in Kuwait, with 13,500; followed by Bahrain at 9,000; and Qatar at 8,000.

The US deployment into Syria and Iraq to combat ISIS raises questions. According to the US State Department, ISIS attacks in Syria have decreased by 68 percent and 80 percent in Iraq when comparing 2023 to 2022.

The Cradle has another posting up about two men from the West Bank who went to Tel Aviv for revenge.

https://new.thecradle.co/articles/multiple-casualties-in-tel-aviv-following-palestinian-car-ramming-attack

Let me just repeat my one note samba......our civilization war is all about social control over the planet which has been held for the past few centuries by an inherited cult of humans who deem themselves better than the rest of our species. Their tools are private property, finance and ongoing inheritance to keep it "within the family". The Axis of Resistance is part of the China/Russia axis in the sense of having same enemy.
I believe that humanity can live peacefully in multi-cultural, mutually supportive ways given a chance to try. I am happy to see this civilization war happen in my lifetime and commend the China/Russia axis for their patient and measured approach....I live within America and it is highly conflicted with ongoing barrage of propaganda....sure hope suffering ends soon.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 16 2024 0:06 utc | 87

The push for war with Iran is coming from both arms of the uniparty, not just a few rightwingers.

Posted by: morongobill | Jan 16 2024 0:07 utc | 88

The first U.S. response is to deny the consulate was struck or any Americans injured. Right-wing media demanding "disproportionate" attack on Iran.

Also, reports on the two missing Navy Seals are odd because the story - whereby one slipped and fell in the water and the other dived in to rescue - features a "ladder" but does not describe where the ladder came from or, similarly, what delivered the Seals to the vessel they were supposedly boarding.

Posted by: jayc | Jan 16 2024 0:04 utc | 86

It's doubtful US would react against Iran... because they are really in a weak position if Iran decides to hit some more, critical stuff as an answer. That could quickly start degrading US ability to do anything at all.

They might bomb an Iran trained 'sand dune' in Iraq and call it a victory in the western propaganda network.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 16 2024 0:08 utc | 89

@81 re: prayer

Since the topic is catching on, I'd add as a suggestion Archbishop Anastasios' marvelous book Islam, which puts side by side prayers from Christian ascetics and Sufis, showing that they are essentially praying in the same way.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jan 16 2024 0:09 utc | 90

The number one thing that USUKIS want right now is discord in what they call "THE" Arab / Muslim world. I see endless whingeing about GCC but KSA and UAE in particular.

The number of nationals in KSA is about 18m and in the UAE a little over 1 m. To say KSA and UAE should grow a pair and face up to Empire in the name of common sense and "Islamic unity" is like saying the Netherlands (about 18 m population) and Estonia (1.3 million) should be responsible for preventing the decline of Empire by defending common sense and "Christian unity". They should stand up to NATO and tell them to stop fighting Russia and sacrificing Ukraine.

Does that sound remotely realistic?

I am 100% sure that no barfly has more information available about GCC countries than I do. There seem to be few Arabic speakers on this board. We're all going by the tip of the iceberg from a rabidly anti-GCC indy media, a rabidly anti-GCC MSM and popular stereotypes: rich Sheikhs by definition must be repressive dictators and grovelling stooges. At best they're unreliable wily self serving opportunists. The horror.

I prefer to assume GCC leaders are rational and self interested agents who are more accountable to their populations than free world puppets who read from scripts and are replaced by new robots at elections.

GCC countries have accomplished the following even if most (except KSA) have been independent for about 50 to 60 years:

1. providing for the economic wellbeing of all nationals (jobs, housing, healthcare, education)
2. diversifying economy away from oil and gas
3. providing stability and building prosperous functional nations with increasing public transport, protecting cultural heritage, etc.

Would USUKIS feel good about this? Or would they feel jealous?

"a playground in pleasant waters for the elite of the planet....all those shining towers, gulf-courses, tennis courts....most particularly those towers of pride and faux magnificence would make the most tempting and tasty of targets." Comment #28

Let's follow the argument:

Someone thinks hitting civilian luxury targets is a good military strategy: "yeah we'll show them. Who do these freaking Moooslims think they are." Would that not be "terrorism" if it targeted luxury towers in LA or Miami, or French chateaus or Italian villas?

As long as US bases exist, the GCC countries have their wealthy stable countries and a degree of protection from Israeli attacks. They retain soft power. If Resistance takes out those bases, USUKIS can easily ruin the GCC countries. Making it easier for Israel to get "Greater Israel."

These are psychopaths who will burn something down if they can't have it.

a) how to defend Palestine? b) how to kick Empire out of West Asia? c) how to do it without burning down West Asia?

A Palestinian resistance fighter in Gaza who saw his parents killed as a child has a totally different mindset from a man his age in KSA or UAE. Or even one in Egypt or Jordan. Not everyone in those countries wants to risk their stability. I don't mean to take away from the former's courage. The more you have to lose, the less risk you want to take.

Without their wealth, the GCC have no power. Advocating for destroying and destabilizing the GCC means that the "Islamic world" loses its only symbolic soft power.

I think the combination of symbolic soft power and the military courage of non-state resistance would be a much stronger combination.

Even if there are bad / duplicitous actors, e.g. MbZ in the UAE, is it more strategic to just warn them to STFU and not take stupid actions or to undermine them and risk destroying the soft power of the "Islamic world"?

Posted by: pq | Jan 16 2024 0:09 utc | 91

Can’t wait for the next UNSC useless meet up. I can already hear US screeching about “Erbil terrorist attack”…

More of Gutierrez CYA blathering about “ME spreading”.

China keeping mum, or generalized statements.
Russia … it’s all US, rather than hold Israel, at least equally accountable.
The rest of the UN yawns…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 16 2024 0:21 utc | 92

Well, so much for the US to Iran “warning”.

Now, let’s see the Nikki Haley’s and Lindsay Grahams get down and dirty. Let’s see these US guns-a-blazing campaign on Iran we’ve heard 30 about…

Meh… back to Iraq and Syria it is… to defeat “ISIS”…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 16 2024 0:29 utc | 93

I am wondering how soon we will see "Yemen Open Thread", "Iran Open Thread" and "Taiwan Open Thread" here...

Posted by: whirlaway | Jan 16 2024 0:34 utc | 94

Legit question as to whether our Minuteman III missiles will even fire. These are 60 year old missiles. The engineers and technicians who built them are dead. The DEI women, blacks and trannies have no idea of how to build a viable rocket, none the less how to upgrade and maintain those ICBMs that are 60 years old.

Any of those old rockets that do fire will be shot out of the sky by Russian S500 and S550 AA. Its no longer mutual assured destruction.

We will be nuked into oblivion and the rest of the world will move on.

Maybe its time we shut the fuck up and make peace.

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 16 2024 0:35 utc | 95

Russia … it’s all US, rather than hold Israel, at least equally accountable.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 16 2024 0:21 utc | 92

Apart from Leningrad.
Russia are after the enabler and controller, not the tool. As RFK junior stated - Israel is our unsinkable aircraft carrier. We cannot have Russia and China controlling Persian gulf oil.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 16 2024 0:38 utc | 96

RLTW | Jan 16 2024 0:35 utc | 95

We are looking at collapsing empire. Rationality does not exist. Hitler in the bunker commanding no longer existing armies.
Hubris, Epstein style debauchery and delusion prevail.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 16 2024 0:44 utc | 97

RLTW | Jan 16 2024 0:35 utc | 95

Collapse of empire. A spectacular only occasional generations through history get to see and here we are watching it in real time right here on our computer screen.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 16 2024 0:47 utc | 98

I am wondering how soon we will see "Yemen Open Thread", "Iran Open Thread" and "Taiwan Open Thread" here...

Posted by: whirlaway | Jan 16 2024 0:34 utc | 94

Korea open-thread or Colombia open-thread might come sooner than most of those. Axis of Resistance strategy seems to be to keep spreading out US/western assets and attention, upsetting plans as soon as they are made, forcing recalculation, and generally freezing western action to the kinds of symbolic displays we've just witnessed vs Yemen. Another place a new front could open up at any moment is Niger, who are demanding that 'foreign forces' (the US) 'justify their presence,' as a prelude to ousting them.

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 16 2024 0:52 utc | 99

RE: Posted by: whirlaway | Jan 16 2024 0:34 utc | 94


Lol… may I add?? “Lebanon Open Thread” “Syria Open Thread” “Iraq Open Thread” oh heck with it …”ME Open Thread”…
Followed with “Taiwan Open Thread” “Belarus Open Thread”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 16 2024 0:56 utc | 100

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