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January 14, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-015
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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An oft overlooked reason that Ansar Allah supports the Gazans in Palestine ==> https://www.wfp.org/emergencies/yemen-emergency Posted by: too scents | Jan 14 2024 14:15 utc | 1 One of the central claims of Israel’s advocates is that supporting Israel is in the U.S. interest. There can be no greater farce today, when our country has bombed yet another Arab country to support Israel’s war on Gaza, and people are burning the American flag at demonstrations. Posted by: ld | Jan 14 2024 14:56 utc | 2 Al Manar confirms what seemed earlier to have been too good to be true:
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 14 2024 15:05 utc | 3 A few rumors have started to surface that the US’s Red Sea crusade is a Joe Biden joint and that military and administration people were against it. Now nobody likes a loser and we may be seeing the Seymour Hersh effect of airing administration politics via the media. On the other hand, it’s believable. I understand that the “Hoe Biden is a puppet” crowd might find this impossible, but Biden has a long, long track record of being a hawk that has mostly criticized the US government for not being violent enough. He’s also off his rocker and apparently believes that it is still circa 2000 when essentially no one could really challenge the US military. Posted by: Lex | Jan 14 2024 15:19 utc | 4 “One of the central claims of Israel’s advocates is that supporting Israel is in the U.S. interest. There can be no greater farce today,..” @8 Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Jan 14 2024 15:20 utc | 6 Oho. A falling-out amongst the brigands, pirates and thieves. Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 15:30 utc | 7 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 15:30 utc | 14 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 14 2024 15:34 utc | 8 Lebanese TV reports; Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 15:39 utc | 9 Arch Bungle @1505 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 15:40 utc | 10 Lex @1519 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 15:51 utc | 11 aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 15:30 utc | 14 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 15:54 utc | 12 “Remember Obama’s quip about Joe’s ability to fuck things up. Joe is just the guy to turn problems with an Israeli and/or Israeli bound shipping blockade into closing down the Red Sea while managing to get the US into a conflict it can’t win, too far away to reliably supply it and using scarce resources it might need for other events. He’s a genius and a conqueror of his own mind and nobody’s going to tell him differently.” @Biswapriya Purkayast – Hard to beat to the point the non state actors will run rings around the empire. Posted by: Jane | Jan 14 2024 16:13 utc | 16 Repost from prior thread: Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 16:14 utc | 17 Canuck @ 13 Posted by: Jane | Jan 14 2024 16:16 utc | 18 I just wish the Houthis had a handful of kinzhals to sink a few NATO ships. What would the Alliance do then? Posted by: thorn | Jan 14 2024 16:17 utc | 19 Irish Barrister Blinne Ní Ghrálaigh’s compelling summary of South Africa’s case (32-min video & transcript): Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 14 2024 16:18 utc | 20 I typed kinzhals when it should be zircon missiles, either way it would be great to see them using a weapon that the West cannot intercept. Posted by: thorn | Jan 14 2024 16:20 utc | 21 Canuck @ 13 Posted by: b | Jan 14 2024 16:12 utc | 15 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 14 2024 16:31 utc | 23 peterAU@1554 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 16:31 utc | 24 I think the source of Jewish rage against the Palestinians lies in a deep sense of shame they harbor because their parents and grandparents were passive in the face of their genocide. They hardly put up any fight and went like lambs to their slaughter. Posted by: Chas | Jan 14 2024 16:34 utc | 25 from the old thread (Posted by: unimperator | Jan 14 2024 11:01 utc | 147) Posted by: Gonzo | Jan 14 2024 16:41 utc | 26 Just when you thought these pathetic excuses for humanity could not resemble the NAZIs more : Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 14 2024 16:49 utc | 28 canuck@1603 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 16:50 utc | 29 Canuck @ 13 Posted by: Hunsdon | Jan 14 2024 16:56 utc | 30 b.@16:12 utc Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 16:57 utc | 31 Jane@1613 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 16:59 utc | 32 @ Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 14 2024 16:18 utc | 20 Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 14 2024 17:00 utc | 33 Exile@1614 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 17:06 utc | 34 From Marwa’s tg Posted by: liveload | Jan 14 2024 17:12 utc | 35 thorn @1617/20 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 17:15 utc | 36 If the deep conspiracy is so powerful and competent, why does it continually shoot itself in the foot? Posted by: Lex | Jan 14 2024 17:24 utc | 37 Canuck@1625 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 17:25 utc | 38 Canuck @ 13 Re: Haifa Refinery Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 17:27 utc | 40 https://www.southfront.press/ukrainian-cargo-aircraft-transfer-military-equipment-to-djibouti/ Posted by: snake | Jan 14 2024 17:30 utc | 41 Arch @ 28.
Bibi is daring someone to stop him/them. Like the deranged bully he always was. Posted by: Jane | Jan 14 2024 17:33 utc | 42 “I pray that the ICJ will deliver a decision that includes actionable directives to stop this mayhem.” Over the last few days a ‘private letter’ was given to the Iram govenment by the white house. Anyone with speculation on what that letter may contain. Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 14 2024 17:40 utc | 44 gonzo@1641 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 17:46 utc | 45 Mea Culpa. Not easy to do proper editing before posting on b’s amazing one man show site. The source I referenced did not Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 17:50 utc | 46 liveload@1712 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 17:55 utc | 47 Re: ICJ judgement enforcement : Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 17:59 utc | 48 Snake@1730 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 18:04 utc | 49 5 11 13 Posted by: Jmaas | Jan 14 2024 18:05 utc | 50 Netanyahu is apparently getting ready for a negative decision from the ICJ. According to the Financial Times today, Netanyahu said nobody is going to stop him, not even the Hague court. Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 14 2024 18:08 utc | 51 Hezbollah claims a Merkava Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 18:10 utc | 52 (3) churches targeted and destroyed by the occupation. Posted by: JohnF | Jan 14 2024 18:13 utc | 53 Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 17:59 utc | 48 Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 14 2024 18:26 utc | 54 News: Posted by: JB | Jan 14 2024 18:31 utc | 55
Posted by: thorn | Jan 14 2024 16:17 utc | 19 Posted by: grunzt | Jan 14 2024 18:37 utc | 56 Sanctions ? Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 18:38 utc | 57 I don’t think Hamas possibly intends to destroy the IDF occupation force. Posted by: Pym of Nantucket | Jan 14 2024 18:54 utc | 58 On January 11, The Times published an account of the duel between HMS Diamond and the 7 Houthi launched low cost drones. HMS Diamond is one of 6 Type 45 destroyers of the British Navy. Posted by: britishnavysubpar | Jan 14 2024 18:57 utc | 59 @ Arch Bungle | Jan 14 2024 16:49 utc | 28 Posted by: robin | Jan 14 2024 19:01 utc | 60 Former British Navy surface combatant captain claims the machine guns were used by the HMS Diamond deliberately to down one drone. But according to The Times there were at least two drones that leaked through and the account doesn’t at all mention deliberately allowing some drones to get close to save missiles (Diamond only carries 48). Posted by: britishnavysubpar | Jan 14 2024 19:20 utc | 61 This seems to have been a probe, not an attack. Iran obviously received priceless data about naval drone performance against UK ships. That data would include which defensive measures were most effective, potential weak spots in the defensive envelope, response times, interception ranges, ship evasive maneuvering, radar tracking, radio communications, etc. I would assume this information was provided to Russian and Chinese analysts within hours. Posted by: Tantor | Jan 14 2024 19:49 utc | 62 The second part of Posted by: Cynic | Jan 14 2024 19:49 utc | 63 Unit 8200 could have saved Israel from Oct. 7; why hasn’t it owned up to its failure?
Real-time monitoring of the tactical communication of Hamas operatives on their radios was halted. Posted by: librul | Jan 14 2024 20:00 utc | 64 This photessay gives a real flavour of the London demonstration yesterday. Posted by: bevin | Jan 14 2024 20:03 utc | 65 exile@1838 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 20:09 utc | 66 Robin@1901 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 20:17 utc | 67 tantor@1949 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 20:19 utc | 68 One of the BRICs might, after ICJ approves certain measures, declare the IDF a joint criminal enterprise which has a host of ramifications Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 20:21 utc | 69 Librul@2000 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 20:23 utc | 70 Israeli team banned from Ice Hockey world competition Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 20:32 utc | 71 I’m with you on your statement 100% , but, excuse my ignorance, what sanctions, penalties, bans can the ICG enforce if they rule with South in favour of South Africa’s and if so what mechanism do they have to enforce the ruling? Posted by: Jane | Jan 14 2024 20:36 utc | 72 “Report: 4,000 Israeli Soldiers Disabled in Ongoing Gaza War” Posted by: WMG | Jan 14 2024 20:42 utc | 73 aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 20:23 utc | 70 Posted by: Dado | Jan 14 2024 20:51 utc | 74 “Report: 4,000 Israeli Soldiers Disabled in Ongoing Gaza War” Posted by: Newbie | Jan 14 2024 20:54 utc | 75 labor slowdowns. mass monkeywrenching–for instance a number of driverless cabs in SF were stopped by putting a traffic cone over a sensor iirc. Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 14 2024 20:59 utc | 76 Bevin @2003 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 20:59 utc | 77 if the ICJ finds against Israel, it could provide a big impetus to the BDS movement, and may kneecap anti BDS laws. Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 14 2024 21:00 utc | 78 Haifa … Posted by: Newbie | Jan 14 2024 21:01 utc | 79 Posted by: Tantor | Jan 14 2024 19:49 utc | 62 Posted by: Honzo | Jan 14 2024 21:02 utc | 80 This photessay gives a real flavour of the London demonstration yesterday. Posted by: Jane | Jan 14 2024 21:09 utc | 81 Khalissee Posted by: Menz | Jan 14 2024 21:22 utc | 82 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 16:31 utc | 24 Posted by: Menz | Jan 14 2024 21:26 utc | 83 Muhammad Rafay Posted by: Menz | Jan 14 2024 21:27 utc | 84 Jackson Hinkle 🇺🇸 Posted by: Menz | Jan 14 2024 21:30 utc | 85 fyi, Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 14 2024 21:42 utc | 86 BBC Interview with ex-Australian-Israeli diplomat, government advisor and civil servant now seemingly, Israeli spokesman: Posted by: Menz | Jan 14 2024 21:44 utc | 87 Meanwhile as Gaza is reduced to rubble and two million Palestinian civilians, most of whom are women and children, face imminent famine and epidemics are sweeping across the enclave. In Canada Members of Parliament, the proud representatives of Social Democratic tradition are up in arms about the peaceful picketing of the Minister of Foreign Affairs, who approves of Israel’s every action in Gaza. Posted by: bevin | Jan 14 2024 21:57 utc | 88 Didn’t the Nuremberg international tribunal declare the SS and the Wehrmacht General Staff criminal organizations? That would be a precedent for doing the same to the IDF. Posted by: Lysias | Jan 14 2024 21:59 utc | 89 Chas 25 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 14 2024 21:59 utc | 90 Menz 87 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 14 2024 22:15 utc | 91 This is monumental. People are listening. Tear in the eye, lump in throat good emotion. Posted by: V123ren@gmail.com | Jan 14 2024 22:19 utc | 92 If the ICJ finds the Occupational regime guilty of genocide, it doesn’t need to enforce anything. Posted by: Suresh | Jan 14 2024 22:32 utc | 94 Dado 74 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 14 2024 22:40 utc | 95 Surest 94 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 14 2024 22:51 utc | 96 Cutting to the gist of it, from Craig Murray’s ICJ report:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/01/your-man-in-the-hague-in-a-good-way-part-2/ Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 14 2024 22:55 utc | 98 Perhaps copying and pasting can enable trolls to find IP addresses? Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 14 2024 23:16 utc | 99 Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 14 2024 22:55 utc | 98 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 14 2024 23:25 utc | 100 |
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