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January 14, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-015

Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

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An oft overlooked reason that Ansar Allah supports the Gazans in Palestine ==> https://www.wfp.org/emergencies/yemen-emergency

Posted by: too scents | Jan 14 2024 14:15 utc | 1

One of the central claims of Israel’s advocates is that supporting Israel is in the U.S. interest. There can be no greater farce today, when our country has bombed yet another Arab country to support Israel’s war on Gaza, and people are burning the American flag at demonstrations.
Our support for Israel is plainly isolating the U.S. World opinion despises the Israeli genocide and wants it to end. South Africa’s argument at the Hague that never before have people live-streamed their own extermination resonates with anybody of conscience anywhere. Yemen’s Ansar Allah (commonly known as the “Houthis”) speak for a great swath of humanity when they demand: End the assault on Gaza and deliver medicine to Palestinians.
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/01/there-is-no-u-s-interest-in-backing-a-genocide-and-bombing-yemen/

Posted by: ld | Jan 14 2024 14:56 utc | 2

Al Manar confirms what seemed earlier to have been too good to be true:

16:15 Sayyed Nasrallah on the Islamic Resistance in Iraq’s announcement that it struck Haifa: Our information confirms that a sensitive Israeli target was hit and the enemy kept it secret

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 14 2024 15:05 utc | 3

A few rumors have started to surface that the US’s Red Sea crusade is a Joe Biden joint and that military and administration people were against it. Now nobody likes a loser and we may be seeing the Seymour Hersh effect of airing administration politics via the media. On the other hand, it’s believable. I understand that the “Hoe Biden is a puppet” crowd might find this impossible, but Biden has a long, long track record of being a hawk that has mostly criticized the US government for not being violent enough. He’s also off his rocker and apparently believes that it is still circa 2000 when essentially no one could really challenge the US military.
Add in his personal commitment to Israel (even if he’s not a fan of Bibi) and his famous personality trait of anger if anyone dares to question him and you do end up with a recipe for everyone sane advising to not over escalate in the Red Sea, but Biden demanding that the US “do something”.
Remember Obama’s quip about Joe’s ability to fuck things up. Joe is just the guy to turn problems with an Israeli and/or Israeli bound shipping blockade into closing down the Red Sea while managing to get the US into a conflict it can’t win, too far away to reliably supply it and using scarce resources it might need for other events. He’s a genius and a conquerer of n his own mind and nobody’s going to tell him differently.

Posted by: Lex | Jan 14 2024 15:19 utc | 4

“One of the central claims of Israel’s advocates is that supporting Israel is in the U.S. interest. There can be no greater farce today,..”
Posted by: ld | Jan 14 2024 14:56 utc | 9
No, that’s not the case in my opinion: the City through the US is using Israel as a proxy to keep a toe hold in the Middle East. Why?
Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the Wolfowitz (1998?) doctrine:
“Middle East and Southwest Asia
The doctrine clarified the overall objectives in the Middle East and Southwest Asia.
In the Middle East and Southwest Asia, our overall objective is to remain the predominant outside power in the region and preserve U.S. and Western access to the region’s oil. We also seek to deter further aggression in the region, foster regional stability, protect U.S. nationals and property, and safeguard our access to international air and seaways. As demonstrated by Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait, it remains fundamentally important to prevent a hegemon or alignment of powers from dominating the region. This pertains especially to the Arabian peninsula. Therefore, we must continue to play a role through enhanced deterrence and improved cooperative security.
In the Middle East and Persian Gulf, we seek to foster regional stability, deter aggression against our friends and interests in the region, protect U.S. nationals and property, and safeguard our access to international air and seaways and to the region’s oil. The United States is committed to the security of Israel and to maintaining the qualitative edge that is critical to Israel’s security. Israel’s confidence in its security and U.S.-Israel strategic cooperation contribute to the stability of the entire region, as demonstrated once again during the Persian Gulf War. At the same time, our assistance to our Arab friends to defend themselves against aggression also strengthens security throughout the region, including for Israel.”
Yes, you are correct that these actions ‘isolate ‘ America but it is the neo con Crusade and it doesn’t look like they are retreating from the above doctrine any time soon.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 14 2024 15:19 utc | 5

@8
Hey watch the racism, it’s not cracker, it’s saltine American.

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Jan 14 2024 15:20 utc | 6

Oho. A falling-out amongst the brigands, pirates and thieves.
Seems like the Talmudist dominated regime In the U$$A is all butt-sore about someone in the British government tattling to the “Times of London” that the Murikkan and Brit air farces would be assaulting selected targets in Yemen in a matter of hours. The details are to be found in today’s R.T.
What must really have pissed off those creeps in the Di$trict of Corruption was that the AnserAllah/Houtis would have a chance of getting out of the way before those airstrikes and missile hits…thus far fewer casualties than the enemies of humanity would have preferred. Somehow, the bloodlust was not quenched. Blood-rituals are so essential to the Archonic masters.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 15:30 utc | 7

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 15:30 utc | 14
Smoke and Mirrors. Good Clown, Bad Clown. Don’t believe a word of that hogwash.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 14 2024 15:34 utc | 8

Lebanese TV reports;
11:23 Al-Qassam Brigades successfully targeted an Israeli Merkava tank with “Al-Yassin 105” shell and engaged in clashes with a special Zionist force equipped with machine guns in the city of Khan Yunis, southern Gaza Strip: reports
Comment : tally now 146 Merkavas claimed since start of hostilities on 2.Oct

Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 15:39 utc | 9

Arch Bungle @1505
So far, the Hezbollah strikes around Haifa have remained naught but shots across the bow. Seems that they are currently holding off on the ball-cutting possibility of targeting the enormous oil infrastructure in that urban area with its port facilities, holding-tanks and refinery capacity. Such a move by the Lebanon-based resistance would grind the Israeli military to a screeching halt within a week or so.
If the enemies of common humanity persist in their genocidal assaults on the people of Gaza; it is almost a given that Hezbollah will cease pulling their punches…in spite of an almost absolutely certainty that the Occupation forces would immediately take it out on ever-suffering Lebanon. The situation reminds me of the now dated American hot-rod game of “Chicken”.
Escalation is a tricky tool…it is almost inevitably double-edged.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 15:40 utc | 10

Lex @1519
Do please bear in mind that the metastasizing senility of Biden has long rendered him incapable perhaps of even changing his Depends. Biden is but a tool of his Talmudist “advisers”, Department of $tate honchos and Department of Homeland Insecurity. Even the top dogs in the Pentagram features a raft of four and three stars who are basically in the game with their thoroughly browned-noses in order to gobble up all those contracts and commissions with the WarDefense Industry upon their retirements.
One can only hope that there are middle-ranking officers in that five-sided monstrosity who retain some elements of common sense and personal integrity. Could that also be true amongst various analysts in the Agency? Maybe so, but the Operations clique includes some bloody-minded psychos.
The regime in the Di$trict of Corruption, including Administration, Congre$$, the Court$ and most definitively, the Deep $tate administrative bureaucraps; are the acme of “go along to get along” interspersed with out and out psychopaths and sociopaths who have wormed their ways into positions of influence and power. That entire scene can be described as a can of worms who have succeeded in rotting away the sinews of our ruptured republic.
Once again, Biden is but a puppet and a tool. He has no agency, just a face-man, an actor on the stage of national devolution.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 15:51 utc | 11

aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 15:30 utc | 14
In the last decade or so of the Soviet Union, US found it increasingly easy to enlist assets. Now the boot is I suspect on the other foot. All whistle blowers of the past decades have been prosecuted with no effect on the corrupt government. Honest men that enlisted to serve their country and people. Many will now be sending information to the likes of Russia and others.
That information will filter through to the non state actors that are filling the kinetic role in the Russia, China, Iran strategy. Highly mobile non state actors with state level intel. Hard to beat to the point the non state actors will run rings around the empire.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 15:54 utc | 12

“Remember Obama’s quip about Joe’s ability to fuck things up. Joe is just the guy to turn problems with an Israeli and/or Israeli bound shipping blockade into closing down the Red Sea while managing to get the US into a conflict it can’t win, too far away to reliably supply it and using scarce resources it might need for other events. He’s a genius and a conqueror of his own mind and nobody’s going to tell him differently.”
Posted by: Lex | Jan 14 2024 15:19 utc | 11
With all due respect Joe Biden is a creature of the Delaware Anglo/Zionists Dupont (2) family .Their main business historically was explosives. They got him elected in 73 and he does whatever they tell him.
Biden was so broke that the Dupont family bought him a house (that they built) and a country club membership,(1)he couldn’t afford.
Joe Biden does nothing himself. The City through Dupont tell Joe what to do. Joe can’t control his bowels let alone manage a war.
Joe Biden reminds me of an old Star Trek Episode when Kirk and Spock are on a planet that resembled Nazi Germany and they saw the leader/Fuher on TV but he was obviously seriously drugged and evil neo cons were ruling through him doing the Final Solution-he was also a fellow Star trek officer-called the “Patterns of Force” is the episode https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterns_of_Force_(Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series);
Of course the episode ended on a happy note where Spock and Kirk rescued the officer who then immediately called off the ‘Final Solution’ and everyone lived happily ever after-with Joe I’m not so sure.
1. At the time, Biden walked a delicate line. On one hand, he campaigned as an Amtrak-riding “Middle-Class Joe” striving to make ends meet, and accurately described himself as “one of the poorest members of Congress” — reporting $221,000 in combined income with his wife that year and $360 in charitable contributions.
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Yet at the same time in Delaware, Biden had deep ties with one of the wealthiest families in his small home state: the du Pont clan, founders of the international chemical company headquartered in Wilmington. Biden had recruited top staffers from the firm, served in Congress alongside a du Pont, and even bought a mansion built by the family.
Then came a new opportunity: a membership at the new golf club, which was founded by a du Pont heiress, which offered Biden access to a highflying part of Delaware society that otherwise may have been closed off to him — one that he’s continued enjoying to this day, with records showing he has visited Fieldstone at least 22 times as president, most recently playing a round and dining there in August.”
2. https://www.britannica.com/topic/du-Pont-family

Posted by: canuck | Jan 14 2024 16:03 utc | 13

@Biswapriya Purkayast –
I unwittingly deleted your link to your picture (and follow up comments). Please repost it.
Sorry
b.

Posted by: b | Jan 14 2024 16:07 utc | 14

Hard to beat to the point the non state actors will run rings around the empire.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 15:54 utc | 19
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Clio must be laughing (while enjoying her popcorn)!
Enter right, nonstate actors (international finance/int’l NGOs, finance, corporations, intel, Deep State).
Enter left, nonstate actors (Hezbollah, AnwarAllah, other paramilitaries and mercenaries, Dark Web munitions trade, more . . .)
Exit right, pursued by a bear . . .

Posted by: Jane | Jan 14 2024 16:13 utc | 16

Repost from prior thread:
How Israel indoctrinates its people w/Miko Peled | The Chris Hedges Report 40 mins video
IDF Special Forces soldier and son of IDF General comes clean about how Israelis are taught from the earliest age. He also talks about casual atrocities that his unit committed as a daily routine – mostly for sadistic entertainment . Please pass it on, deserves to go viral
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CU0Uc-PKe9Y

Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 16:14 utc | 17

Canuck @ 13
Biden is also the credit-card industry’s friend and protector.
Usury has a friend in Delaware.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 14 2024 16:16 utc | 18

I just wish the Houthis had a handful of kinzhals to sink a few NATO ships. What would the Alliance do then?

Posted by: thorn | Jan 14 2024 16:17 utc | 19

Irish Barrister Blinne Ní Ghrálaigh’s compelling summary of South Africa’s case (32-min video & transcript):
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/01/on-the-urgent-need-for-provisional-measures-to-protect-palestinians-in-gaza-blinne-ni-ghralaighs-presentation-to-the-international-court-of-justice/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 14 2024 16:18 utc | 20

I typed kinzhals when it should be zircon missiles, either way it would be great to see them using a weapon that the West cannot intercept.

Posted by: thorn | Jan 14 2024 16:20 utc | 21

Canuck @ 13
Biden is also the credit-card industry’s friend and protector.
Usury has a friend in Delaware.
Posted by: Jane | Jan 14 2024 16:16 utc | 18
Yes, of course- as well Delaware is a coveted jurisdiction for companies as the corporate laws protect the wealthy.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 14 2024 16:25 utc | 22

Posted by: b | Jan 14 2024 16:12 utc | 15
‘Ti’s but a scratch. Mild brain trauma all round …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 14 2024 16:31 utc | 23

peterAU@1554
Just in case you have yet to access the news Down Under. In Sydney Harbour, a group of Palestine supporters have driven their jet-skis into a cluster in order to keep an Israeli vessel from docking. Well done! The people’s resistance movement is growing apace.
Demotic Greek meaning of “Revelation” is that at the turning of the ages, the Great Awakening eventuates as the veil is removed and everyday people take action. Toto has yanked the curtain after the trek down the yellow brick road (gold bars etc) and with the drapery undone, the little man sitting at the microphone has been revealed in all his senile cupidity.
Reminds me of the situation here in the ruptured republic, whose current face-man on the stage is the moonheaded Joe Biden, the doddering creep.
Irony can be so sweet as the shoe transfers to the other foot.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 16:31 utc | 24

I think the source of Jewish rage against the Palestinians lies in a deep sense of shame they harbor because their parents and grandparents were passive in the face of their genocide. They hardly put up any fight and went like lambs to their slaughter.
Now the Jews are infuriated because the Palestinians are putting up the heroic resistance to genocide that Jews couldn’t bring themselves to do. So now a live Palestinian is a symbol of Jewish cowardice and shame.
What really enrages the Jews is that the Palestinians are courageous and have such an ability to sacrifice and to cooperate that they have built tunnels deep underground for a safe haven to build and train their resistance army. The Jews of the 1930s and 40s in Europe didn’t do anything even close to that.
Those tunnels are to the Palestinians what the Sierra Maestra was to the Cuban revolutionaries and one day Hamas and its sister militias will pour out of those tunnels as ruthlessly and swiftly as did the Cuban Rebel Army.

Posted by: Chas | Jan 14 2024 16:34 utc | 25

from the old thread (Posted by: unimperator | Jan 14 2024 11:01 utc | 147)
“-Task is to attract AFU manpower and equipment close to the line and destroy them
-‘Capturing’ cities is the most complex type of warfare – two approaches: either like Israel, destroy the city completely, or blockade and starve it out (could take up to 9 months)”

Yes, finally someone said it. All those talks about “Russia absolutely needs to conquer territory” or “big arrow movements” is wishfull thinking. Let’s imaging Russia advancing, sacrifing loads of soldiers as well as material, until the next big city looms ahead. And then what? Remember how Mariupol looked like after the front walzed over it? Do you really want Odessa/Nikolaev/Charkov look like Gaza? With hundreds of thousands of Russians dead on both sides? The West would have a field day.
No, the front will stick at the current location. All Russia needs to do is “attrack AFU manpower” by looking weak when they appear to strong. The options of the West are limited, they will take potshots at anything too static (e.g. ships in docks or cities in arty range) and they will ambush anything too bold (e.g. SU34), as long as Russia does not take the bait and escalates, this will go on as long as there is something to shoot with and somebody there to pull the trigger.
On the topic of censoring fellow posters: I do not mind other opinions, better than sit in a comfy self-affirmation bubble.

Posted by: Gonzo | Jan 14 2024 16:41 utc | 26

argh, sorry, wrong thread.

Posted by: Gonzo | Jan 14 2024 16:46 utc | 27

Just when you thought these pathetic excuses for humanity could not resemble the NAZIs more :

CNN

The border between Egypt and Gaza “must” be closed, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Saturday – a move that would give Israel complete control over the Palestinian enclave’s access to the world.

This is what psycopathy looks like on a national scale.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 14 2024 16:49 utc | 28

canuck@1603
Thanks for the update on the Dupont Crime Clan and its role in maintaining the $enile One whom they elevated into several positions for which he was already unqualified and thence the $tate of Dupont’s fixture decorating the Offal Orfice.
That particular Crime Clan has virtually the same status as the Rottenfeller one as from its inception; those blood-money heirs have had shareholding operative control over General Motors. They were also instrumental in the ultimate arrests and convictions of over a million “fellow citizens” for “violations” of unlawful legislation which outlawed the kindest herbal medicine of them all.
Sooner or later the godfathers of that criminal bunch of coupon-clippers will get their just desserts.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 16:50 utc | 29

Canuck @ 13
That’s what Biden has reminded me of (The TOS “Patterns of Force” episode) since he resurfaced. I’m amazed that I don’t see it referenced more often.

Posted by: Hunsdon | Jan 14 2024 16:56 utc | 30

b.@16:12 utc
Thanks for the link and info. From that it would appear that the “shot across the bow” I suggested ,may have been more in the manner of a shot AT the bow. Betcha there are some soiled diapers in and around the Tel Aviv/Haifa metroplex.
Though accelerating developments are revolutionary in scope…evolutionary in fact, so long as a whole lot of actors are able to maintain their cool and capable of not opening Pandora’s Box. Nuke-Puke is anything but a false-flag.
Calm, cool and collective are the watch-words.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 16:57 utc | 31

Jane@1613
Maintaining one’s sense of humor in trying times is a much needed blessing for all. Thanks.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 16:59 utc | 32

@ Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 14 2024 16:18 utc | 20
Thanks for that link. I watched it live. She can defend me anytime. V. impressive.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 14 2024 17:00 utc | 33

Exile@1614
The Hedges/Peled interview gives us valuable insights into the second most critical psychological devolution of the Israeli mindset…an essential follow-up for the fear-meme initiatory imposition of the Bris. Israelis are surely not born as paranoid psychopaths. They have been re-engineered by psychopaths.
Yes, the link is well worth sharing. Watched it last night, but delighted that you took the time to share for all. Thanks.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 17:06 utc | 34

From Marwa’s tg
100 days of #Genocide in #Gaza.
(2000) massacre committed by the occupation army.
(31,000) martyrs and missing.
(23,968) martyrs who reached hospitals.
(10,600) child martyrs.
(7,200) female martyrs.
(337) martyrs from medical crews.
(45) martyrs from civil defense.
(117) martyrs from journalists.
(7,000) missing, 70% of them are children and women.
(60,582) wounded.
(11,000) injured in need of travel for treatment “life-saving and critical.”
(10,000) cancer patients facing the risk of death.
(99) arrests of healthcare personnel.
(9) journalists detained whose names are known.
(2) million displaced in the Gaza Strip.
(400,000) infected with infectious diseases due to displacement.
(134) government buildings destroyed by the occupation.
(95) schools and universities completely destroyed by the occupation.
(295) schools and universities partially destroyed by the occupation.
(150) mosques completely destroyed by the occupation.
(245) mosques partially destroyed by the occupation.
(3) churches targeted and destroyed by the occupation.
(70,000) housing units completely destroyed by the occupation.
(290,000) housing units partially destroyed by the occupation, unfit for habitation.
(65,000) tons of explosives thrown by the occupation on Gaza.
(30) hospitals taken out of service by the occupation.
(53) health centers taken out of service by the occupation.
(150) health institutions partially targeted by the occupation.
(121) ambulances destroyed by the occupation.
(200) archaeological and heritage sites destroyed by the occupation.

Posted by: liveload | Jan 14 2024 17:12 utc | 35

thorn @1617/20
Perhaps the AnserAllah/houtis are following the wiser course of a more gradual acceleration of the action. If a warship is damaged, with relatively minimal casualties…rather than out and out sunk, which would be the outcome from the more powerful missiles…then the unintended consequences of a self-goal equivalent of a “false flag” attack could not have the impact upon totally propagandized populations in (guess where) who “Remember the Maine; Remember the Lusitania; Remember Pearl Harbor; Remember the Gulf of Tonkin “incident” and ultimately Remember the 911 (inside job)”.
Sometimes the more mature course of action would be gradualist rather than slam-dunks rife with those unanticipated and unintended consequences.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 17:15 utc | 36

If the deep conspiracy is so powerful and competent, why does it continually shoot itself in the foot?
And the consistent claim that Biden is but an agent of higher powers essentially relieves him of guilt. Of course he’s been bought for his whole career, he’s admitted as much on multiple occasions. But he was bought because he was for sale. A puppet has no mind of its own. Biden actually believes in all the things he’s said and done over his long career, not because he was told to say them and do them.
In any case, if Joe Biden is the best that this nefarious conspiracy to rule the world can put forward to operate in the open, what exactly does it say about the puppet masters?

Posted by: Lex | Jan 14 2024 17:24 utc | 37

Canuck@1625
Additional for the corporate laws of the state of Dupont (aka Delaware) would be inclusion of a filing by the “United States of America Corporation”. This entity, needing for further research for confirmation purposes, was allegedly created by the 65 wealthiest (read filthy-rich) crime clans in the ruptured republic in 1938.
Word on the street regarding the aforesaid entity is that such corporate law (legal but hardly lawful) has effectually replaced the Constitution and the Bill of Rights…as most clearly evidenced by that yellow-fringed Admiralty flag proudly displayed in all American courtrooms. Under Admiralty law, those accused and standing before the bench are legalistically considered as vessels/strawmen entering the dock.
If this chicanery is verifiable via diligent research and broadly shared ,it is indicative that the lawful order in this ruptured republic has been subtly overthrown and is a matter of High Treason.
“Power to the People”. The Black Panthers were right.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 17:25 utc | 38

Canuck @ 13
That’s what Biden has reminded me of (The TOS “Patterns of Force” episode) since he resurfaced. I’m amazed that I don’t see it referenced more often.
Posted by: Hunsdon | Jan 14 2024 16:56 utc | 30
Its probably not referenced cause only old fogies (I assume you are one too)like me can remember that show 55 years ago…

Posted by: canuck | Jan 14 2024 17:26 utc | 39

Re: Haifa Refinery
If the Haifa Refinery is taken out, my wild guess is the IDF would experience fuel shortages in 3-6 weeks – maybe with severe rationing by civilian sector, stretch out to 8-12 weeks. Why ? Because, generally there is a lot of fuel in the inventory system.
If any Barfly has a better handle on the topic please chime in.

Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 17:27 utc | 40

https://www.southfront.press/ukrainian-cargo-aircraft-transfer-military-equipment-to-djibouti/
For what it is worth i quote the following from the article “The ongoing military buildup in Djibouti signals ..prepar[ation] for further escalation in the region. The reinforcement of Western forces there also likely prevents forces of Yemeni Ansar Allah mouvement from launching attacks on foreign forces on the ground across the Bab-el-Mandeb strait.”

Posted by: snake | Jan 14 2024 17:30 utc | 41

Arch @ 28.
==================
More psychopathy and Samson-like delusions—Net really needs a haircut!!
The following sent by a friend:

“”No one will stop us, not The Hague, not the axis of evil and not anyone else.”
Publicly announcing before a court issues its verdict that you have no intention of complying with the court’s verdict is not a classic litigation strategy utilized by defendants who think that they have any chance of “winning” their case.
See the article at the link transmitted below for Bibi Netanyahu’s latest contempt of court:
https://www.euronews.com/2024/01/14/100-days-into-the-war-netanyahu-says-no-one-will-stop-us
Of course, Bibi may have been seeking simultaneously to send a message to a particular “anyone else”, the executive branch of the government of Israel’s wholly-owned subsidiary: “Stop annoying me with your stupid, cover-your-ass ‘advice’ and speed up your deliveries of armaments and money.”

Bibi is daring someone to stop him/them. Like the deranged bully he always was.
I pray that the ICJ will deliver a decision that includes actionable directives to stop this mayhem.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 14 2024 17:33 utc | 42

“I pray that the ICJ will deliver a decision that includes actionable directives to stop this mayhem.”
Posted by: Jane | Jan 14 2024 17:33 utc | 42
I’m with you on your statement 100% , but, excuse my ignorance, what sanctions, penalties, bans can the ICG enforce if they rule with South in favour of South Africa’s and if so what mechanism do they have to enforce the ruling?

Posted by: canuck | Jan 14 2024 17:39 utc | 43

Over the last few days a ‘private letter’ was given to the Iram govenment by the white house. Anyone with speculation on what that letter may contain.
Threat’s ?
Reasurance as to limatations of us actions in Red Sea ?
Bribary ?
I would love Iran to make that letter public, why not.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 14 2024 17:40 utc | 44

gonzo@1641
Thanks for reposting that excerpt from Unimperators posting from yesterday regarding “capturing cities”. It reminded me of a photo-caption I read just yesterday in the April 10,1944, page 32 photo caption as part of their coverage of the Battle for Cassino in the Italian campaign:
“German shell bursts amidst Cassino wreckage. Here Allies learned what the Germans learned at Stalingrad: that a wrecked town is harder to capture than one untouched by bombardment”.
As a mere military history buff, and possessing a mass of now antique magazines; it amazes me that the bloodthirsty and heavily indoctrinated Isreali general staff (and those from whom they get their orders) did not have the sense to keep in mind that now commonplace military doctrine that if you intend to take a city, please do not reduce it into a Stalingrad level of rubble…the worst possible environment for an attacking army.
Israel and even somewhat legitimate sites such as South Front, who tend to habitually publish the Israeli casualty figures; are most wary of public reaction to high “butchers bills”. One can only access speculations by various sources to come to some approximation of the Zionist State’s losses. From those sources I’ve accessed, probable KIA’s may well be at or maybe even exceed 6,000 men…and women as well. This assessment is based upon the number of vehicles which the resistance forces have destroyed, as infantry deployment is generally eschewed by the casualty-averse IDF.
Wounded losses…some permanent due to missing limbs, et al, could well be in the range of 20,000. PTSD incidents amongst those non-battle-hardened deckchair “warriors” might be virtually uncountable. When will we see and hear accurate accounts of weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth and rending of garments throughout Occupied Palestine?
Question is whether those Nuts and Yahoos go all postal and resort to their much touted “Samson Option”. Maintaining the legendary frog-boiling approach is fast becoming mandatory for all resistance forces. Sometimes actions of outrage can be trumped by the swamps of despair.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 17:46 utc | 45

Mea Culpa. Not easy to do proper editing before posting on b’s amazing one man show site. The source I referenced did not
specifically note the source being LIFE magazine.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 17:50 utc | 46

liveload@1712
Wishing I had the tech smarts to be able to post that utterly horrific listing of genocidal realism which you presented for us. Such a reposting would be introjected into every boobtoob noose screening on all wi-fi and cable sources right across the fruited plain. The terminally deluded would tend to reject it, while many would soak it up and gasp as they would perceive it as “official” and “authorized by proper authorities”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 17:55 utc | 47

Re: ICJ judgement enforcement :
Washington and its vassals will ignore. However, it’s likely the BRICs+ (87% of the world) will impose a variety of sanctions.

Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 17:59 utc | 48

Snake@1730
Could it be that the buildup in Djibouti you posted is being run by people who have already taken account of the nearby Chinese base in that postage-stamp of a country? For the life of me, I cannot comprehend how a buildup in Djibouti could have the effect of shutting down the efforts of the AnserAllah/Houthi resistance forces. Those hard-cases are well dug into caves and tunnels in their mountainous land. No possible way that the “allies” have generals so stoopid that they would even pretend to begin to consider a land assault on Yemen

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 18:04 utc | 49

5 11 13
#45
“German shell bursts amidst Cassino wreckage. Here Allies learned what the Germans learned at Stalingrad: that a wrecked town is harder to capture than one untouched by bombardment”.
As a mere military history buff, and possessing a mass of now antique magazines; it amazes me that the bloodthirsty and heavily indoctrinated Isreali general staff (and those from whom they get their orders) did not have the sense to keep in mind that now commonplace military doctrine that if you intend to take a city, please do not reduce it into a Stalingrad level of rubble…the worst possible environment for an attacking army.
Nothing new about military stupidity. As you may already know, during the American Civil War the improvements in the rifle (or musket) were great enough that a mass infantry charge was no longer workable. War had already become trench warfare. None the less, nobody wrote it down as doctrine and in World War I the British got thousands of their troops killed because they were willing to attempt an unsupported mass infantry charge into the Germans, all of whom had repeating rifles and some had machine guns.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jan 14 2024 18:05 utc | 50

Netanyahu is apparently getting ready for a negative decision from the ICJ. According to the Financial Times today, Netanyahu said nobody is going to stop him, not even the Hague court.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 14 2024 18:08 utc | 51

Hezbollah claims a Merkava
https://southfront.press/hezbollah-shells-israeli-sites-blows-up-tank-in-new-series-of-attacks-photos/
Comment – tally now 147 Merkavas claimed since hostilities started 2.oct (147 represents 30% of the 490 active duty Merkava’s in IDF )

Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 18:10 utc | 52

(3) churches targeted and destroyed by the occupation.
So Few Church’s – Because The Church’s Support Zionist Israel – Their Last Bastion of Support.

Posted by: JohnF | Jan 14 2024 18:13 utc | 53

Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 17:59 utc | 48
yes. You get it.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 14 2024 18:26 utc | 54

News:
1) Another strike on Yemen: Saba News Agency in Sanaa: American-British aggression targets Jabal Jida in al-Luhayyah District in the coastal province of Hodeidah, western Yemen.
TASS also reported this: https://tass.com/world/1732129
2)Hamas political leader Ismail Haneyya – “Now is the time to engage together in the decisive battle of liberation.”
“He called for the establishment of an Arab front to support the resistance, and the formation of the Freedom and Justice Alliance for Palestine within the framework of expanding international solidarity with Palestine, as well as a path of healing the wounds of the Palestinian people.”
Haneyya’s proposals: https://english.palinfo.com/news/2024/01/14/312787/
3) In the West Bank The Zionists arrested the sisters of the recently in Lebanon assassinated Hamas leader Saleh Al-Arouri.
4) The Zionists killed two members of the telecommunications company’s crew in Khan Yunis working to repair communication lines in Gaza. They targeted the crew even though their mission was coordinated through the International Committee of the Red Cross,
https://english.palinfo.com/news/2024/01/14/312766/

Posted by: JB | Jan 14 2024 18:31 utc | 55

I just wish the Houthis had a handful of kinzhals to sink a few NATO ships. What would the Alliance do then?

Posted by: thorn | Jan 14 2024 16:17 utc | 19
You can be 100 percent sure that Putin keeps his advanced weapons to himself and will not give any to Israel’s enemies. He understands that the collective West is the equivalent of a dangerous and violent psychopath with no impulse control whatsoever, so he will do nothing to attract more of their evil projections onto Russia. He is a careful player, and his apparent disinterest in further territorial gains, such as Odessa or Charkow, is part of this approach, an attempt to keep the door open for a negotiated solution.
He may also be waiting for the US-elections. However, there seems to be little hope that a new president will bring policy change on the Palestine issue. RFK junior, and even Tulsi Gabbard, have lately communicated that they are standing with Israel. Both of them know that it is hopeless to run for the US presidency without the blessing of AIPAC, and without and against the money donated by America’s Jewish billionairs. The US Jewish establishment appears to have the White House, and Congress and Senate, firmly by the balls. In the land of the free, politics are for sale to the highest bidder, even more so than in other countries.
Donald Trump may still be the least of the evils. While his close friendship to Netayahu (who spent much of his early life in the US) is well known, Israel could not bring him to attack Iran in any meaningful way, as they probably had hoped. This is why Biden, rather than Trump, is now their first choice, a useful puppet of Netanyahu’s.

Posted by: grunzt | Jan 14 2024 18:37 utc | 56

Sanctions ?
Imagine the BRICs+ imposing a travel bans on anyone who was in the IDF or Settler Paramilitary. Because the IDF is (provisionally) implementing (something akin to) genocide.
Ponder the implications because nearly every Israeli older than 18 is or was IDF. That would effectively be a travel ban on any Israeli to any BRICs+ country (including airport transfer)
Ponder the PR disaster of the Likud complaining that X pretty young girl can’t go to Brazil for a international sports competition, because of the travel ban. The rest of the world then learns pretty young girl was a IDF occupation goon in West Bank but-had-nothing-to-do-with-Gaza.

Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 18:38 utc | 57

I don’t think Hamas possibly intends to destroy the IDF occupation force.
“You will kill ten of us, we will kill one of you, but in the end, you will tire of it first.”
Ho Chi Minh

Posted by: Pym of Nantucket | Jan 14 2024 18:54 utc | 58

On January 11, The Times published an account of the duel between HMS Diamond and the 7 Houthi launched low cost drones. HMS Diamond is one of 6 Type 45 destroyers of the British Navy.
Wiki: Type 45 destroyer ; Cost, Over £1.050 billion per ship incl. Research and development, £650 million per ship excl. R&D ; Built, 2003–2012
“They were identified as such due to their speed and height. Evans did not have long to consider the threat before giving the order to fire. The Sea Viper missile system swung into action, firing its Aster missiles, known for their precision and ability to hit targets at long range.
However, some of the drones got closer to the ship, forcing HMS Diamond to use its 30mm Oerlikon machineguns, which can fire 200 rounds per minute at a maximum range of only 2.5 miles.”
https://archive.is/E6B84
Is the article implying the HMS Diamond missed? Seven drones were shot down by the HMS Diamond using missiles and guns. So the air defense system missed hitting at least 2 of the 7 low cost drones? That would be really awful because air defense is the one job given to the Type 45 destroyer. If the swarm of drones was instead a salvo of anti-ship missiles how would the air defense system perform?

Posted by: britishnavysubpar | Jan 14 2024 18:57 utc | 59

@ Arch Bungle | Jan 14 2024 16:49 utc | 28
In my opinion, portraying the Egyptian border as independent is mischaracterizing the actual situation.
On a few occasions, listening to radio news reports, I was surprised to hear humanitarian workers describing the situation at the Rafah border crossing and, particularly, the reason for the long delays. It would appear that Israeli agents are in fact present on the Egyptian side, thoroughly checking each and every Gaza bound container.

Posted by: robin | Jan 14 2024 19:01 utc | 60

Former British Navy surface combatant captain claims the machine guns were used by the HMS Diamond deliberately to down one drone. But according to The Times there were at least two drones that leaked through and the account doesn’t at all mention deliberately allowing some drones to get close to save missiles (Diamond only carries 48).
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/11/us-royal-navy-warships-missiles-guns-red-sea-houthis/
“And then there are other kinds of cost. Once Diamond’s 48 missiles start to run low, rearming her will involve a long journey to – at minimum – a safe harbour with cranes and a complex logistic operation to get more missiles there. Such rearming is normally done at a specialist ammunitioning jetty. The UK doesn’t have another Type 45 destroyer which could replace Diamond on task while she went off to rearm.
So, rather than a desperate last ditch effort to knock down a drone which had somehow got through the outer defences, Diamond’s 30mm engagement is likely to have been a deliberate move, designed to preserve her missiles and endurance on task. The drone in question may have been one that didn’t appear to be on course to hit Diamond herself.
The close-in guns kill does also illustrate just how daft it was to remove the anti-air capability from the ship’s 4.5-inch main gun – that’s the big one on the front – 20-plus years ago to save a tiny amount of money. Against simple targets like one-way-attack propeller drones, a radar-directed 4.5 firing shells with proximity fuses could be expected to do very well at much longer ranges, with correspondingly less pucker factor.”

Posted by: britishnavysubpar | Jan 14 2024 19:20 utc | 61

This seems to have been a probe, not an attack. Iran obviously received priceless data about naval drone performance against UK ships. That data would include which defensive measures were most effective, potential weak spots in the defensive envelope, response times, interception ranges, ship evasive maneuvering, radar tracking, radio communications, etc. I would assume this information was provided to Russian and Chinese analysts within hours.

Posted by: Tantor | Jan 14 2024 19:49 utc | 62

The second part of
Craig Murray’s report on the genocide case against Israel at the Hague
Posted by: Cynic | Jan 14 2024 19:44 utc | 46

Posted by: Cynic | Jan 14 2024 19:49 utc | 63

Unit 8200 could have saved Israel from Oct. 7; why hasn’t it owned up to its failure?
[Librul note: This article is Izzy sourced so consider it a Limited Hangout. Still worth reading, though.]
https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/11/23/unit-8200-could-have-save-israel-from-oct-7-why-hasnt-it-owned-up-to-its-failure/

The responsibility of Unit 8200 does not end here. In the months leading up to the attack, real-time monitoring of the tactical communication of Hamas operatives on their radios was halted. Had they been monitored, at the very least Israeli intelligence would have had time to deploy forces and mitigate the scale of the invasion.
The decision to cease real-time monitoring was made with approval from all levels,

Real-time monitoring of the tactical communication of Hamas operatives on their radios was halted.
The decision to do this was made about the same time that they were analyzing Hamas’ detailed plan for Oct 7th.
The opportunity for a false-flag presented itself with the halting of real-time monitoring being an early step
for creating a false-flag.
So I will amend my posting regarding the false-flag that was Oct 7th.
I will add this line:
*They halted real-time monitoring of the tactical communication of Hamas operatives on their radios.*
But, more likely, they opportunistically limited the sharing of intelligence gathered through real-time monitoring.
——-
The NYT revealed that the Zionist leadership, including Mossad and the IDF, had the Hamas Oct 7th plans months in advance. They knew.
The IDF border watchers reported unusual activity. They witnessed Hamas training for Oct 7th. This activity was reported for weeks in advance. And Mossad had spooks crawling all over Gaza. They knew.
They knew.
So what did the IDF do?
In the months before Oct 7th they halted real-time monitoring of the tactical communication of Hamas operatives on their radios.
They withdrew the majority of their forces at the Gaza border just prior to Oct 7th.
They inexplicably delayed their response to the Hamas jail break **for hours***.
They **multiplied** the number of their own casualties by implementing the Hannibal Doctrine.
They used their own citizens like sheep to the slaughter in order to create blood lust and enable the slaughter of Palestinian women and children. The real target of Netanyahu is not Hamas it is the Palestinian people and their land and their offshore gas fields.
Treachery, betrayal, genocide and theft. You take that sin onto yourself if you bury your head in the sand.

Posted by: librul | Jan 14 2024 20:00 utc | 64

This photessay gives a real flavour of the London demonstration yesterday.
https://steelcityscribblings.uk/wp/2024/01/14/gaza-genocide-london-protests/
Evidently there were half a million taking part.
The one that I was on, in Barrie, Ontario, had far fewer (about 50) but very enthusiastic participants. And the public reception was almost uniformly positive.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 14 2024 20:03 utc | 65

exile@1838
Fascinating speculation of BRICS sanctioning those who have been part of the IDF. Won’t happen anytime soon as internal cohesion amongst that quasi-alliance has yet to jell…too much current centripetal force involved. Yet, if recent trends keep the genocide going, death totals reach into the hundreds of thousands, mostly due to starvation, lack of hydration, virtually no medicines and most doctors and medical personnel targeted and dead…then perhaps someone will realize that the whole matter has gone beyond any possible residuals of humanity remaining within the Zionist Entity…then? Who knows?

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 20:09 utc | 66

Robin@1901
On a practical basis, all those Israeli “checkers” at the Rafah crossing need to do is positively determine whether any anti-aircraft missiles are on board those trucks. The resistance already has a sufficiently of anti-armor weaponry of their own production. The “hot-stuff” whatever it may be, is already seeping through international boundaries via the tunnel systems.
So the evident aim of those inspectigators is to slow down the rescue work to a mere trickle, thus exacerbating the thirst, hunger and lack of medical assistance as central to their genocidal intentions.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 20:17 utc | 67

tantor@1949
Nice educated insights. High probability factory.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 20:19 utc | 68

One of the BRICs might, after ICJ approves certain measures, declare the IDF a joint criminal enterprise which has a host of ramifications

Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 20:21 utc | 69

Librul@2000
Thoroughgoing exposition, hitting most all the marks and a good wrap. You do appear to be on top of events.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 20:23 utc | 70

Israeli team banned from Ice Hockey world competition
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/sports/ice-hockey-fed–bans–israel–from-competing-for–security-c

Posted by: Exile | Jan 14 2024 20:32 utc | 71

I’m with you on your statement 100% , but, excuse my ignorance, what sanctions, penalties, bans can the ICG enforce if they rule with South in favour of South Africa’s and if so what mechanism do they have to enforce the ruling?
Posted by: canuck | Jan 14 2024 17:39 utc | 43
==========================
I don’t know the answer and I did not imply that I have any answer.
I am not the expert.
Time to get creative.
Where there’s a will, there’s a way.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 14 2024 20:36 utc | 72

“Report: 4,000 Israeli Soldiers Disabled in Ongoing Gaza War”
https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14021023000177/Repr-4-000-Israeli-Sldiers-Disabled-in-Onging-Gaza-War

Posted by: WMG | Jan 14 2024 20:42 utc | 73

aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 20:23 utc | 70
Dear Sir or Madam, aristodemos:
Since you regularly respond to other participants in this blog, would you be so kind as to explain why you do not use the simple reference protocol, i.e.: “name | date time | comment number” ?
Is it the result of a technical impossibility of your communication device? For example: are you using a mobile phone not suitable for copy and paste?
Other motives?
Sincerely
Dado

Posted by: Dado | Jan 14 2024 20:51 utc | 74

“Report: 4,000 Israeli Soldiers Disabled in Ongoing Gaza War”
https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14021023000177/Repr-4-000-Israeli-Sldiers-Disabled-in-Onging-Gaza-War
Posted by: WMG | Jan 14 2024 20:42 utc | 73
I think someone already posted this information some days ago, and I even took some ratios from previous wars to give a 2.900-7.800 IDF KIA (, or was it 2.800-7.900?)

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 14 2024 20:54 utc | 75

labor slowdowns. mass monkeywrenching–for instance a number of driverless cabs in SF were stopped by putting a traffic cone over a sensor iirc.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 14 2024 20:59 utc | 76

Bevin @2003
If those in Parliament, Whitehall, Downing Street et all could/would peruse the faces of multitudes of people of every known color, ethnicity, social classes…and prior states of servitude, peacefully protesting on that chilly January day…a sense of trepidation, an awakening of their roles in aiding and abetting the genocidal outrages and a realization that they might find themselves to be on the wrong side of this historical unveiling of the Great Awakening amongst the worldwide commons will rattle the timbers and shake the walls.
The longtime rule of the few over the many is being called to the highest of all courts…worldwide public opinion.
History is unfolding right before all those cameras and video presentations for all the world to witness. Never before in recorded history has there been such an open-ended revelation expressed by the people of the world.
Ultimately, this cannot end well for the oppressors. A fully enlightened public opinion grows spontaneously and unstoppably, inexorably, on a daily basis. The dam is about to burst from the accumulated pressure of millions of souls.
In an arcane sense, this is a most telling time for the human race.
“The times they are a changin.” To all those with ears to hear, have a listen to the 20th Century’s greatest Jewish prophet, Bob Dylan. Absorb all the lyrics composed/channeled from Universal Unconscious. Then have a listen to a mass chorus singing “We Shall Overcome”.
One’s day is not complete without music which stirs the soul and quickens the spirit.
Prophecies are unfolding. Indeed, these are the times of Revelation. The veil is lifting. Life recognizes and respects life. That all are One and that One is All becomes evident and ubiquitous.
Blessed be. Thanks for sharing the images, Bevin.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 20:59 utc | 77

if the ICJ finds against Israel, it could provide a big impetus to the BDS movement, and may kneecap anti BDS laws.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 14 2024 21:00 utc | 78

Haifa …
Carmel Olefins reactor explosion blamed on atmospheric pressure, declared no danger
Posted by: b | Jan 14 2024 16:12 utc | 15
Yes, atmospheric pressure from 2,700,000 – 4,900,000 psi just behind the detonation front 😀
I do enjoy when people at least try to lie without saying anything strictly false, I thought it was a lost art form (nowadays most of thee time they don’t even bother to try)

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 14 2024 21:01 utc | 79

Posted by: Tantor | Jan 14 2024 19:49 utc | 62
Yes, that’s how it’s done. The west is certainly doing the same in Ukraine, as it has been in Syria. However, in this particular case, the British have to expose their defensive system to analysis, while the Houthi can hold back the weapons that the west would really like to evaluate. Very poor exchange from the western POV. As you say, there are probably thousands of techheads and scientists in Iran right now, poring over the data and developing countermeasures. In the west- still guessing.

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 14 2024 21:02 utc | 80

This photessay gives a real flavour of the London demonstration yesterday.
https://steelcityscribblings.uk/wp/2024/01/14/gaza-genocide-london-protests/
Evidently there were half a million taking part.
. . .
Posted by: bevin | Jan 14 2024 20:03 utc | 65
===============
Great photos!
A wonderful cross-section of humanity, plus lots of ideas for creating signs, etc.
Out own tiny group (ca. 10) continues to get a lot of “support honking” from cars passing by.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 14 2024 21:09 utc | 81

Khalissee
@Kahlissee
Do you condemn Hamas?
Masterclass response 👏
https://twitter.com/Kahlissee/status/1746472230836379997

Posted by: Menz | Jan 14 2024 21:22 utc | 82

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2024 16:31 utc | 24
A twitter post on the jetski protest in Sydney:
Muhammad Rafay
@rafayjalil
·
19h
Australians use boats with Palestinian flags to stop a ship going to Israel.
Well done! 🇦🇺♥️🇵🇸
https://twitter.com/rafayjalil/status/1746343569709990364

Posted by: Menz | Jan 14 2024 21:26 utc | 83

Muhammad Rafay
@rafayjalil
·
19h
İn London, the march for Palestine is so huge that we’ve been barely able to move down the street for an hour!
“İn our thousands, in our millions, we are all Palestinians”
https://twitter.com/rafayjalil/status/1746343682029277563

Posted by: Menz | Jan 14 2024 21:27 utc | 84

Jackson Hinkle 🇺🇸
@jacksonhinklle
🚨🇺🇸🇵🇸 The White House has been EVACUATED of non-essential staff due to a LARGE pro-Palestinian protest across the street.
I personally witnessed several snipers on the roof of the White House.
https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1746342450384322714

Posted by: Menz | Jan 14 2024 21:30 utc | 85

fyi,
https://twitter.com/GoodVibePolitik/status/1745962723039453448
James Ray🔻 @GoodVibePolitik
The U.S. can have a multi-decade long blockade on Cuba and it’s normalized.
Israel can have a decade and a half long total air, land, and sea blockade on Gaza and it’s normalized.
But Yemenis block some ships to stop a genocide and all the sudden it’s indefensible.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 14 2024 21:42 utc | 86

BBC Interview with ex-Australian-Israeli diplomat, government advisor and civil servant now seemingly, Israeli spokesman:
Khalissee
@Kahlissee
Netanyahu advisor, Mark Regev squirms his way through a very painful interview. Brilliant journalism.
https://twitter.com/Kahlissee/status/1746449572342427875

Posted by: Menz | Jan 14 2024 21:44 utc | 87

Meanwhile as Gaza is reduced to rubble and two million Palestinian civilians, most of whom are women and children, face imminent famine and epidemics are sweeping across the enclave. In Canada Members of Parliament, the proud representatives of Social Democratic tradition are up in arms about the peaceful picketing of the Minister of Foreign Affairs, who approves of Israel’s every action in Gaza.
Yves Engler has the details:
https://yvesengler.com/2024/01/14/pointing-out-the-horrors-of-gaza-at-politicians-doorsteps/
So it’s OK for Israel to bomb hospitals, and even to confiscate the anaesthetics necessary to amputate the limbs of the babies which miraculously survive the bombs, but it is horrifying that Canadians should stand silently outside the houses of the financiers and cheerleaders, the real enablers of Israel’s murderous actions.
(None of this is made up. It actually happened in Ottawa, yesterday. )

Posted by: bevin | Jan 14 2024 21:57 utc | 88

Didn’t the Nuremberg international tribunal declare the SS and the Wehrmacht General Staff criminal organizations? That would be a precedent for doing the same to the IDF.

Posted by: Lysias | Jan 14 2024 21:59 utc | 89

Chas 25
I’ve been to Israel and North London Jewish districts. I’ve been married to and encountered responsible Jewish friends. I’ve bought property from a Jewish charity and seen Jewish communal property developments being built in my local community.
With respect, the genocide of Palestinians has no connection whatsoever to the current situation of the Jewish people in the world. Your comments imho are a weird piece of conjecture that had no connection to reality.
Nowhere in the world that I have seen where Jews have a large presence , in Manchester, in Kurdistan, in London, in Israel , is there any trace of the rage you describe.
The rage is a purely political construct by a tiny group of Neocon politicians in the US and UK who are determined to vent their frustration at being unable to defeat Islam after 24 years of continual bombing and provocation called the War on Terror.
They have chosen to vent their rage on the most vulnerable of all Muslim communities, the besieged Palestians of Gaza and the West Bank. The provocation of hostage taking on October 7 was fully pre-known for more than a year before the event, and it was transformed into an excuse for genocide without provocation or justification.
If everybody used padt grievances to initiate campaigns of genocide against a collective population on account of events nesrly a century ago, where would they world be now?
This is utterly spurious reasoning. Governments are there to NOT react to ancient grievances, but to lead the way to better relations as Britain did to
the populations of South Asia and the Caribbean that it once genocided.
There is no justification whatsoever for this genocide.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 14 2024 21:59 utc | 90

Menz 87
Thanks but no thanks. Mark Regev squirming in orgasm at the genocide of Palestinians on the BBC is neither legal, decent , honest or truthful and should not be seen on either side of the 9 o’clock schedule. The word diplomat is inappropriate to Regev.
He is a proselytiser of racism and genocide.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 14 2024 22:15 utc | 91

This is monumental. People are listening. Tear in the eye, lump in throat good emotion.
“In Context
@incontextmedia
20h
Game of Thrones stars and other actors read South Africa’s case file charging Israel with genocide at the #ICJ”
https://nitter.net/incontextmedia/status/1746343873612226953#m

Posted by: V123ren@gmail.com | Jan 14 2024 22:19 utc | 92

Dado 74
Walrusing

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 14 2024 22:24 utc | 93

If the ICJ finds the Occupational regime guilty of genocide, it doesn’t need to enforce anything.
Countries can decide for themselves to ignore or take steps in line with the ICJ’s findings and the UN’s “Responsibility to Protect”.
This may be limited to cutting diplomatic and economic ties with the Occupational regime and its state or corporate foreign supporters, to arming one or all groups in active resistance to the Occupational entity and more.
It’s what the UNSC was hampered from doing earlier and why the ICJ efforts are important.

Posted by: Suresh | Jan 14 2024 22:32 utc | 94

Dado 74
Sealioning , sorry.
Perhaps copying and pasting can enable trolls to find IP addresses?

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 14 2024 22:40 utc | 95

Surest 94
Any country not complying with a decision of the ICJ could find itself ostracised diplomatically. That would cause massive embarrassment to USUKIS and lead to the opening of a different world forum, one to which the ICJ could refer in future in support of its future decisions.
This will be the end of USUKIS authority.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 14 2024 22:51 utc | 96

Suresh, sorry

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 14 2024 22:52 utc | 97

Cutting to the gist of it, from Craig Murray’s ICJ report:

It is important to realise this. Israel is hoping to win on their procedural points about existence of dispute, unilateral assurances and jurisdiction. The obvious nonsense they spoke about the damage to homes and infrastructure being caused by Hamas, trucks entering Gaza and casualty figures, was not serious. They did not expect the judges to believe any of this. The procedural points were for the court. The rest was mass propaganda for the media.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/01/your-man-in-the-hague-in-a-good-way-part-2/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 14 2024 22:55 utc | 98

Perhaps copying and pasting can enable trolls to find IP addresses?
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 14 2024 22:40 utc | 95
No, it can’t.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 14 2024 23:16 utc | 99

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 14 2024 22:55 utc | 98
I acknowledge I may be wrong (after all I’m not a lawyer) but I think Murray is getting ahead of the Court and himself.
It seems to me, a layman, that there is in fact a dispute between S.A and Izzrael:
1. S.A states that a genocide, or potential genocide, or scenario capable of expanding into a genocide is in progress in Gaza and that Izzrael is the prime actor driving the event or potential event.
2. Izzrael disputes that a genocide, or potential genocide, or scenario capable of expanding into a genocide is in progress in Gaza.
For some reason, some commentators claim that the “dispute” is over the definition of “genocide”.
However, there doesn’t appear to be a dispute over the definition of genocide,instead here appears to be a dispute over the nature of actual events on the ground.
Given this, it seems very clear to me there is in fact a dispute: That S.A is indeed claiming one thing about the nature of events in Gaza, that Izzrael is claiming the opposite, including the denial of actual events which S.A has provided documentary evidence for and therefore the court must acknowledge the opposition of claims.
I can’t see how, even on a procedural level, S.A’s case can fail.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 14 2024 23:25 utc | 100