Still no Lloyd? Mysteiouser and mysteiouser!

Posted by: G wiltek | Jan 12 2024 15:42 utc | 3

Israel’s response to ICJ has finished, and just like that, the internet and phone systems are down in Gaza again.
————————–
The Palestine Telecommunications Company (Paltel) has reported a blackout in Gaza, with all internet and telecom services cut as a result of Israeli strikes on the enclave.
“We regret to announce that all telecom services in Gaza Strip have been lost due to the ongoing aggression. Gaza is blacked out again,” said Paltel in a post on X.

Posted by: teri | Jan 12 2024 15:58 utc | 5

Denegation
MARCO D’ERAMO:
“For three months now, I have had my breakfast amid the rubble. I sip my coffee as the agony of the injured blares from the TV. At supper, I take a forkful of greens as the bombs rip children to pieces. I peel my apple to the sound of women’s desperate cries. Perhaps all these horrors will make us put on weight – for we are becoming, unawares, followers of Dolmancé, the master of ceremonies whom de Sade puts in charge of Justine’s immoral education, and who closes La philosophie dans le boudoir (1795) with the immortal words: ‘It’s been a good day; I never dine better, I never sleep so peacefully, as when I have sullied myself sufficiently with what idiots call crimes.’….
“… Palestinians will never forget this ongoing attempt to wipe an entire people off the face of the earth. For diaspora Jews and Israelis alike, it will now be difficult to see themselves as the descendants of the ‘righteous’. I remember how moved I was by André Schwarz-Bart’s novel The Last of the Righteous (1959), all the more so because my mother had been interned in Dachau. But today, the Israeli reaction has challenged the legitimacy of this kind of defence of Israel. Germans are forced to question whether the thesis, enunciated by Angela Merkel, that Israel’s existence constitutes the Staatraison of the German federal state still holds up under the bombs of Gaza. And perhaps today Westerners, and not only Germans, should start asking themselves why on earth, almost 80 years later, it is the Palestinians who have to pay for Hitler’s crimes.”
https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/denegation?pc=1572

Posted by: bevin | Jan 12 2024 16:01 utc | 7

Posted by: bevin | Jan 12 2024 16:01 utc | 7
Just keep asking yourself, bevin, cui bono? Who profits? (I guess my four years of Latin in high school was good for something.)
Do nothing to support the profiteers — nothing.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 12 2024 16:32 utc | 9

…and perhaps today Westerners, and not only Germans, should start asking themselves why on earth, almost 80 years later, it is the Palestinians who have to pay for Hitler’s crimes.”
Posted by: bevin | Jan 12 2024 16:01 utc | 7
The Palestinians are not paying for Hitler’s crimes. They are victims to a supremacist, eliminationist ideology and of settler colonialism that serves the interest of capital and empire.
The world owes nothing to the Jews (of today). The crimes committed against them in WWII have been firmly established, some of the main war criminals have been punished, the memory of the Nazi crimes and of the victims is honored and will be honored in the future, as it should be.
The Jews are people and citizens like all other citizens. The world owes them what it owes to all, a peaceful world in which the rights of every human being are protected, respected and can effectively be exercised. Freedom and responsibility that goes with it is due to everyone equally, the Jews,too. Nothing else, nothing more and nothing less.
It makes no sense at all to treat the Jews of today as if they are victims,as if they have with some kind of special entitlements.They are not victims, nor are they the only human group that has been and is subjected to prejudices.
There is nothing special about the Jews, with all due respect to their proven capabilities.
The abuse of the fact of their victimisation by the Nazis is immoral and deplorable and should be condemned and rejected.
Because of the past victimisation the Jews should be in the forefront of the struggle for freedom and mutual respect between all human beings, they should lead by example.
They do not, so they should take a good critical look at themselves and become a positive force for a humanistic future for all.

Posted by: JB | Jan 12 2024 16:32 utc | 11

Which Holocaust ?
60 million Chinese by Tojo – Mao

30 million Russians by Bolsheviks

25 million Russians by Fascists
10 million Congolese by Belgians – Leopold II

9 million Koreans by the Pentagon – MacArthur
9 million Chinese by the English – Sassoons
8 million Iranians by the English – Churchill

6 million Southeast Asians by the Pentagon-Kissinger

5 million Bengalis by the English – Churchill
4 million Philippinos by the Americans
3 million Irish by the English
3 million Indonesians by CIA – AntiCommunists

Posted by: Exile | Jan 12 2024 16:53 utc | 13

@jayc | Jan 12 2024 16:59 utc | 13
In the link you posted, the end is already provided: “argued that the World Court did not have jurisdiction to hear South Africa’s case because South Africa did not establish that there was a dispute between two states (…) The jurisdiction for any question of war crimes needed to be in Israel”. So Israel will evaluate Israel and SA can relax and focus on their main quest: arrest Putin for ICC.

Posted by: rk | Jan 12 2024 17:36 utc | 15

Someone here asked for more dope regarding the Pritzker family.
So I went out looking for gold, but what did I find instead, well,
dynamite.
So to start with, Penny Pritzker was sent to Ukraine by Biden as part
of the sell out team and visited Pritzky and some other village next
door, south of Kiev, where Jacob Nicholas Pritzker and his wife, a
Schwarzman presumetly came from.
Then I got sidetracked…
And the final result is, well, Karl Marx is from where? Yeah right,
we are back to Ukraine, namely Lviv, Lemberg, Lwow.
His direct anchestors are several Moses Lwows. Ah, in case it is new to
you, yes Marx is also jewish. He should use the name Levi/Levy actually.
http://fabpedigree.com/s012/f010269.htm
There are other (more) interesting things I learned, but that is maybe
something for another thread, Palestina.
Oh, I am already in the Palestina thread. Strange, I thought I was in the
Ukraine thread *shakes head*.
So what does this have to do with Palestina again? Ah ja, the Pritzker
family financing the Israel state.

Posted by: C | Jan 12 2024 17:37 utc | 17

Indeed, juliana, cui bono? And do nothing that supports those profiteers. Hence why the AnsarAllah (in deference to how they want to be called, versus how they are often known as Houthis) is doing a wise thing in a selective and conditional blockade of Israel shipping.
In being selective canal money still flows to Egypt, helping them resist pressure to aid and abet ethnic cleansing in accepting Israel’s bribe money to take in the Gaza people as refugees. In being conditional it means the responsibility lies in Israel to do its Occupier Obliged Responsibility to provide humanitarian aid and allow it unimpeded. Since Israel’s pride would rather call in all flunkies to do their dirty work instead of being humane, let alone negotiate in good faith, the blockade remains.
And since Yemen has already been bombed of any and all useful targets, naught but shifting the sand and rocks will occur from all these pyrotechnics. A self-made strangulation upon the profiteer alone, tightened as a vise by their own vice, hubris. Only upon regaining their humanity shall Israel’s Eilat port return to profitability, so the wait shall be long indeed.

Posted by: titmouse | Jan 12 2024 17:38 utc | 19

yes, well, mmmm, uh huh…
ATTN: Evelyn Wood C.V. Speed Readers
IN RE: South Africa v. Israel, Oral arguments and transcripts (EN, FR)
ICJ, Public sitting held on Thursday 11 January 2024, at 10 a.m., at the Peace Palace, President Donoghue presiding, in the case concerning Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel)
Verbatim record 2024/1 (pdf, 85 p)

(pp 4-8, 36 named individuals) The Government of the Republic of South Africa is represented by, as National Authorities …, as Counsel and Advocates …, as Counsel …, as Assistant Counsel …, as Advisers …, as Members of the Delegation …, as Assistants to the Delegation …, as Security Officers …

ICJ, Public sitting held on Friday 12 January 2024, at 10 a.m., at the Peace Palace, President Donoghue presiding, in the case concerning Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel)
Verbatim record 2024/2 (TBD)

(pp 8-11, 20 named individuals) The Government of the State of Israel is represented by …, as Co-Agents …, as Deputy Agent …, as National Authorities …, as Counsel and Advocates …, as Counsel …, as Assistant Counsel …, as Advisers …

Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 12 2024 17:45 utc | 21

Angela Merkel
Posted by: bevin | Jan 12 2024 16:01 utc | 7
That satanist who destroyed Europe for her jewish masters.

Posted by: Michael A | Jan 12 2024 17:59 utc | 23

MK Bhadrakumar analyses of one of the important results of October 7th.
The ending of India’s kneejerk support for Israel and, by extension, the undermining of the constant attempts by Washington to seduce India away from BRICS and back into the Empire from which it came.
It is at moments like these that the great Indian Army becomes crucial to the preservation of the imperial system, which is running very short of sepoys.
Those Palestinian militiamen- including many groups and parties besides Hamas- moved mountains. And the tectonic plates beneath them.
“…From a strategic asset, the Israeli connection is becoming a liability for the Indian government. Delhi spurned Netanyahu’s repeated entreaties to brand Hamas as a terrorist organisation — by the way, India never pointed finger at Hamas for the October 7 attack. It has resumed the traditional stance of voting against Israel in the UN General Assembly resolutions on the Palestine problem. The Netanyahu-Modi pow-vows have become infrequent.
“This is a far cry from the controversial gesture by PM Modi during his ‘historic’ five-day visit to Israel in 2017 to pay homage at the tomb of the founding father of Zionism Theodor Herzl in Haifa . It is doubtful if any Indian prime minister would repeat Modi’s feat in future. With reasonable certainty, it can be said that the future of Zionism in West Asia itself looks rather bleak…”
https://www.indianpunchline.com/india-gets-a-rude-awakening-in-west-asia/

Posted by: bevin | Jan 12 2024 18:07 utc | 25

RE: Posted by: bevin | Jan 12 2024 16:01 utc | 7
Denegation
MARCO D’ERAMO:
Thx. Good read and post.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 12 2024 18:31 utc | 27

from the crypt
Finkelstein is one crusty guy….Evidentiary standard and the urgency of the petition is gonna rack up 2/3 of the tribunal to grant relief precisely BECAUSE it’s a totally low-to-no risk vote, not a final judgment, opinion or order….I also mentioned the ICJ composition here last week before the ChatGPT press corpse larded Israel’s “blood libel” Dershowitz defense with “serious” legal minds. ( Note the curious 2004 case of Israel “separation barrier”.)
Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 11 2024 3:34 utc | 127
IN RE: ICJ, “Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory”
OVERVIEW OF THE CASE,

By resolution ES-10/14, adopted on 8 December 2003 at its Tenth Emergency Special Session, the General Assembly decided to request the Court for an advisory opinion on the following question:
“What are the legal consequences arising from the construction of the wall being built by Israel, the occupying Power, in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, as described in the Report of the Secretary-General, considering the rules and principles of international law, including the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, and relevant Security Council and General Assembly resolutions ?”

SUMMARIES OF JUDGMENTS AND ORDERS 9 July 2004, 21 pp (EN, FR)

The full text of the final paragraph (para. 163) reads as follows:
For these reasons, THE COURT,
(1) Unanimously,
Finds that it has jurisdiction to give the advisory opinion requested;
(2) By fourteen votes to one,
Decides to comply with the request for an advisory opinion;
(3) Replies in the following manner to the question put by the General Assembly:
A. By fourteen votes to one,
The construction of the wall being built by Israel, the occupying Power, in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, and its associated régime, are contrary to international law;
B. By fourteen votes to one, Israel is under an obligation to terminate its breaches of international law; it is under an obligation to cease forthwith the works of construction of the wall being built in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, to dismantle forthwith the structure therein situated, and to repeal or render ineffective forthwith all legislative and regulatory acts relating thereto, in accordance with paragraph 151 of this Opinion;
[…]
D. By thirteen votes to two,
All States are under an obligation not to recognize the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall and not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by such construction; all States parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949 have in addition the obligation, while respecting the United Nations Charter and international law, to ensure compliance by Israel with international humanitarian law as embodied in that Convention;
[…]

Then what happened?

Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 12 2024 18:41 utc | 29

thecelticwithinme @ 1
Multiple choice question re Nikki Haley:
A. She is John McCain with tits.
B. She is Hillary with a tan.
C. She is Kali, the Hindu goddess of death and destruction.
D. All of the above.
Posted by: AJ | Jan 12 2024 18:32 utc | 28
E. Tanned Glenn Close without the boiled rabbit.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 12 2024 18:50 utc | 31

Yup, with the exception of pending dismissal charges of our Defense Secretary. Personally, after dissing Netanyahu in their last meeting, I think he was carted off to a re-education camp to get his mind right.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 12 2024 18:44 utc | 30
tee hee. is our latest “operation re-supply comedians with ammo”?

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 12 2024 18:55 utc | 33

American politics has been utterly corrupted by the donors Mrs Adelson on the Republican side, and Chaim Saban on the Democratic. There are others but these are the biggest donors
Those who actually still think about politics should Google these two. They are both best friends since they are in complete agreement on their overarching goal – supporting Israeli interests in the US.
While Dems and Repubs are duking it out those in the driver seat are content with the illusion of conflict while on the issues that matter to them both parties are in complete agreement.
Google image search is your friend…

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 12 2024 19:06 utc | 35

Ouch:
In a recent phone call, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu asked Emirati President Mohammed bin Zayed (MbZ) to provide unemployment benefits to Palestinian laborers in the occupied West Bank. Instead, MbZ told his ally to “ask Zelensky” for money, according to knowledgeable sources who spoke with Axios.
https://greatgameindia.com/ask-zelensky-for-money-mbz-tells-netanyahu/

Posted by: Noah Nehm | Jan 12 2024 19:29 utc | 37

I would be very suprised if the ICJ would rule against Israel.
Maybe some mildish critique but not genozide.
And what do we do then?

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Jan 12 2024 19:45 utc | 39

“Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Canada does not support the premise of South Africa’s case before the International Court of Justice in the Hague that Israel’s military action in Gaza is genocide.
 
Trudeau stated that view today when asked about the issue during a news conference in Guelph, Ont. He also said that further details on the Canadian position would be released within hours in a ministerial statement.
 
“We do not support the premise of the question raised by South Africa,” Trudeau said.
The Prime Minister did not elaborate on Canada’s specific concerns. He noted that Canada supports the international rules-based order of which he said the court is a key part.”

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 12 2024 20:07 utc | 41

please bear with me – this is a test to see if i can get a link to a must-see photo to post:
https://globalsouth.co/wp-content/uploads/hm_bbpui/24308/j96enuxpkcimaeyr0722yu6x1m289wxb.jpg
i am over reading at global south and well, do you see the words i’m looking at?

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 12 2024 20:20 utc | 43

DuchessandAndBob @ 43
Yep i see what you see.
403
Im in UK freedom of speech just gone down the drain.
Respect.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 12 2024 20:33 utc | 45

Nice turn of phrase, mega, ultra and hyper to follow?
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/95909

Video in English
🇮🇱🏴‍☠️👉🇵🇸 The Israeli representative in The Hague Court demonstrates super-lies and super-hypocrisy.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 12 2024 20:36 utc | 47

DuchessAndBob | Jan 12 2024 20:20 utc | 43
Here in central Italy I get…
403
Forbidden
Access to this resource on the server is denied!

Posted by: john | Jan 12 2024 20:43 utc | 49

RE: Posted by: Paul from Norway | Jan 12 2024 19:45 utc | 39
Prolly same as now. Posting on MOA, calling and writing the selected in the DC Blob, joining a protest here and there. Waiting for the bombs to fall or the economy to implode, although the order of that is uncertain.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 12 2024 20:49 utc | 51

The ICJ already ruled against Israel in “Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory”, as cited by sln2002 (many thanks for bringing this into the discussion; it has long been absent). The ruling came despite huge pressure from the U.S. (behind the scenes).
The ICJ also ruled against the five nuclear power permanent members of the Security Council, despite huge pressure (behind the scenes) coming from all five, in 1996: “Legality of the use by a state of nuclear weapons in armed conflict”.
The ICJ also ruled against the U.S. in “The Republic of Nicaragua v. The United States of America (1986)” for arming the Contras and mining Nicaragua’s harbors, this despite huge pressure on the court (behind the scenes) from the U.S.
The (lack of) public reaction to these — and other — cases is due to the control of the narrative by the Western corporate media. This time around, however, there is a vast panoply of alternative sources of information even as the corporate media are steadily losing ground, especially among younger people. More important, the images emanating from Gaza are unique in history, as pointed out by the South African lawyers, and give a vividness to the crime — in real time, moreover! — never known before.
The ICJ has repeatedly demonstrated its independence. Those who refer to its politicization are confusing it with the International Criminal Court, an entirely other instance that has been badly abused by the U.S. since even before it became operational.
In the last case mentioned (Nicaragua), the response of the U.S. was to withdraw from the jurisdiction of the ICJ. This, to me, is the most likely outcome of an order to end the genocide, which would be, de facto, a guilty verdict. The verbiage (verbal diarrhea) from the mouths of the Israeli lawyers presages much more to come in order to justify the to-be-expected claim that no decent person could honestly abide by an ICJ ruling much less a country running the most moral army in the world. Such a withdrawal will further blacken the reputation of Israel (to the extent that further blackening is possible).
So, the bombing will continue, but…
The Biden regime is obviously becoming ever more apprehensive as the year progresses toward “election” time and the images from Gaza get worse and worse.
At the same time, a call for a halt in the attack owing to genocide means that a crime against humanity has been officially acknowledged. This legitimizes such movements and efforts as BDS and delegitimizes bans on Palestine support groups and their activities. Already the BDS movement has been growing exponentially. This can only continue and intensify.
It also makes it MUCH more difficult to equate support for Palestinians with “antisemitism”.
In passing, it is worth noting that South African apartheid was devised to control and exploit the native populations. Israeli apartheid was devised to physically contain them all the better to get rid of them in the long run, by making their life intolerable and steadily driving them out and by killing them outright (over 100,000 killed by Israelis since 1948), the latter course of action being the “final solution”, as numerous Israelis (including government ministers) don’t hesitate to designate it publicly.

Posted by: RJPJR | Jan 12 2024 20:56 utc | 53

Iraqi resistance hits US base in Syria, vital Israeli sites in occupied lands
🔹Iraqi resistance forces target a US-occupied military base in Syria’s eastern province of Dayr al-Zawr as well as strategic sites inside the 1948 Israeli-occupied territories in retaliation for Washington’s support for the bloody Israeli onslaught against the Gaza Strip.
@PressTV – #Iraq
also..something somewhere else about anonymousSudan cyber attacks????

Posted by: Jo | Jan 12 2024 20:58 utc | 55

RE: Posted by: bevin | Jan 12 2024 20:42 utc | 48
Well sure, who wouldn’t object to the “premise” of genocide…?
This is why we should have “Kings”… when they get stupid like this, you surround the Castle and toss them off the tower turret.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 12 2024 20:59 utc | 57

@ Pq | Jan 12 2024 15:58 utc | 6
Good comment; I have one “quibble’ with characterization of Norman Finkelstein – he might have been talking BDS down in 2012, but he has changed since, in my view.
There is a danger in the whole ethnic/religious solidarity of Jews – that this solidarity (others have placed it in the vicinity or like ‘mafia’) will become a form of ‘taqiyya’ – with wolves in sheep clothes, meaning they will deny their allegiance, changed names to sound like English or French names, become kind of chameleons in the society, they will listen what the ‘others’ say and silently act on that information.

Posted by: fanto | Jan 12 2024 21:24 utc | 59

For those who are getting the 403 forbidden on that photo thanks for trying (it works fine for me) and you can see it if you go here: https://globalsouth.co/globalsouthforum/topic/west-asia-front-thread-10-jan-2024/
and then scroll down to where AHH’s avatar shows they are at January 11, 2024 at 14:34 – it’s about half way down the page as of now. The pic is of a jew in a room full of surveillance screens and right across the top it says “Death to the goyim”
i seriously want that photo printed up on a thousand postcards to hand out to everybody i know who is unaware that they are the goyim and the genocidal jews have taken control of the usa government, media, banking system, foreign policy, … … …

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 12 2024 21:26 utc | 61

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 12 2024 21:26 utc | 61
Is there any proof that the “Death to Goyim” wasn’t photoshopped in?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 12 2024 21:42 utc | 63

Well sure, who wouldn’t object to the “premise” of genocide…?
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 12 2024 20:59 utc | 57
a whig!
Israel challenges-genocidal-intent-by-citing-policies-relief
Posted by: daffyDuct | Jan 12 2024 21:00 utc | 58
a wig!
Prester JohnB52s: What’s that on yer hed?
English law f/k/a Code Napoleon f/k/a Roman law
@ 01:03:36 – 01:57:42 Israel National Authority, Prof. Malcom Shaw, KC alias Prester John d/b/a The City: “pre-question of context”,”the start of the war”, “laws of armed combat”, “policies”

Posted by: slne2002 | Jan 12 2024 21:59 utc | 65

thecelticwithinme @ 1
Multiple choice question re Nikki Haley:
A. She is John McCain with tits.
B. She is Hillary with a tan.
C. She is Kali, the Hindu goddess of death and destruction.
D. All of the above.
Posted by: AJ | Jan 12 2024 18:32 utc | 28
Everything you need to know about Trump, Haley and Desantis
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/01/us/politics/haley-miriam-adelson-trump-gop.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/15/us/politics/nikki-haley-israel-trump.html
https://www.timesofisrael.com/desantis-dines-with-miriam-adelson-other-gop-megadonors-in-jerusalem/

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 12 2024 22:57 utc | 67

Just accept it. Most of the US legislative, executive and judiciary has an Epstein/Mossad child-rape blackmail video hanging over their head. On top of that, billions of US taxpayer’s money given to Israel is recycled back into bribing our “representatives.” Our own damn taxes are used to bribe our own damn politicians by the very people who crucified Christ. And we obediently refer to ourselves as “judeo” Christians aka “cucks” of the Jews. While we refer to the Jews as “Gods Chosen People.” All of Western Christianity are cucks to the Jews.
Not so with Orthodox Russian Christianity that swears the Christian Church as the only Church of God. Obviously a big reason why dominatrix Jewish Nuland is unrelenting in her efforts to send young white Christian Ukrainian boys to be slaughtered by young white Christian Russian boys by the hundreds of thousands. Who cares? They’re only white Christian boys. That fucking Talmudic demon is who is driving this shit.
My point being; the US government is wholly owned by the Israeli Jews. And the US government is going to do their bidding. No questions asked. And the US military will be slaughtered. I write this with tears in my eyes as an American and soldier. But this is exactly what is going to happen. We will be decisively defeated.

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 12 2024 23:59 utc | 69

I would be very suprised if the ICJ would rule against Israel.
Maybe some mildish critique but not genozide.
And what do we do then?
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Jan 12 2024 19:45 utc | 39
—————————————————————————–
I don’t know what WE will do, but I hope South Africa, and other African countries will declare that the ICJ is not a court, but rather a western political instrument and weapon, and cannot be trusted to serve the cause of justice: Then they should leave to ICJ and look towards BRIC’s for a new forum for justice. This will diminish the western control of the UN and the ICJ.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 13 2024 0:23 utc | 71

The Lemki Defense
1. a whig!
@ 01:03:36 – 01:57:42 Prof. Malcom Shaw

[…]
Israel’s actions in restriction its targeting practices to attack military personnel or objectives in accordance with international law in a proportionate manner in each case as well as its practice of mitigating civilian harm such as by forewarning civilians of impending action by the unprecedented and extensive use of telephone calls, leafleting and so forth, coupled with the facilitation of humanitarian assistance, all demonstrate the precise opposite of any possible genocidal intent. South Africa in seeking to discover the necessary intent presents a distorted picture. It misunderstands the nature an provenance of certain comments made by some Israeli politicians. Let me try to explain the big picture.
Israel possesses a clear and effective structure of authority with regard to governmental decision. The war against Hamas is managed on behalf of the government by two central organs, the Ministerial Committee on National Security Affairs and the War Cabinet. The latter established for the purpose of managing the war by the former. These bodies make the relevant decisions regarding the war’s conduct and, according to Israeli law, the decisions of the government and these committees obligate the ministers of the government in accordance with the principles of collective responsibility. It is the collective decisions of these bodies which are the binding the decisions in question. A prime minister stands at the head of these organs, decides on the agenda of these meetings, steers their activity, and summarizes the meetings and instructions issued therein. To make it clear, in order to determine the policy and intentions of the government of Israel it is necessary to examine the decisions of the Ministerial Committee on National Security Affairs and the War Cabinet and to examine whether the particular comment expressed, conformed, or not with the policies and decisions made.
[…]

2. a wig!
@02:14:27-02:40:04 National Authority Mr [Ms] Galit Raguan

[…]
As Professor Shaw noted at this stage South Africa does not need to prove that genocidal acts have been or are being committed, but it does have to show that the Genocide Convention is actually relevant. It has to show some level of acts and some level of intent. It is my task to speak to the circumstances of Israel’s actions. Israel cannot possibly, comprehensively address today all of the allegations made in South Africa’s application in this regard. The applicant paints a dire picture, but it is a partial and deeply flawed picture. The application is so distorted in its description that it prevents the court from properly assessing the plausability of the rights asserted by South Africa. Plausability cannot be deterimined based on the unsubstaniated allegations of one party to the proceedins alone. If Article 41 of the court’s statute is to have any meaning in the time available, I will address three aspect of reality on the ground that the applicant has either ignored or misrepresented. First, Hamas’ military tactics and strategy. Second, Israel’s efforts to mitigate civilian harm during operational activities. And third, Israel’s efforts to address humanitarian hardship in Gaza despite Hamas’ attempts at obstruction.
[…]
Urban warfare will always result in tragic deaths, harm, and damage, but these undesired outcomes are exacerbated because they are the desired outcome of Hamas. In urban warfare Professor Shoaw has spoken to the issue of expressed intent civilian casualties may be the unintended but lawful outcome of an attack on unlawfully military objectives. International humanitarian law recognizes this reality, and provides a framework for balancing military necessity with humanitarian considerations. These do not constitute genocidal acts.
[…]

3. a game board

Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 13 2024 1:04 utc | 73

Apologies for the doubling posting. For some reason the initial posting failed to materialized, hence the second try, which showed up with the first.
Posted by: RJPJR | Jan 12 2024 20:58 utc | 56
A well structured and hopeful post?
Well worth double reading.
And as I read and reread I truly hope that a powerful statement might come and feel a little faith in humankind and its institutions is rekindled.
Thank you

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 13 2024 1:57 utc | 75

https://therealnews.com/the-idfs-war-crimes-are-a-perfect-reflection-of-israeli-society
The IDF’s war crimes are a perfect reflection of Israeli society

Posted by: Virgile | Jan 13 2024 2:41 utc | 77

The world owes nothing to the Jews (of today). The crimes committed against them in WWII have been firmly established, some of the main war criminals have been punished, the memory of the Nazi crimes and of the victims is honored and will be honored in the future, as it should be.
The Jews are people and citizens like all other citizens. The world owes them what it owes to all, a peaceful world in which the rights of every human being are protected, respected and can effectively be exercised. Freedom and responsibility that goes with it is due to everyone equally, the Jews,too. Nothing else, nothing more and nothing less.
It makes no sense at all to treat the Jews of today as if they are victims,as if they have with some kind of special entitlements.They are not victims, nor are they the only human group that has been and is subjected to prejudices.
There is nothing special about the Jews, with all due respect to their proven capabilities.
The abuse of the fact of their victimisation by the Nazis is immoral and deplorable and should be condemned and rejected.
Because of the past victimisation the Jews should be in the forefront of the struggle for freedom and mutual respect between all human beings, they should lead by example.
They do not, so they should take a good critical look at themselves and become a positive force for a humanistic future for all.
Posted by: JB | Jan 12 2024 16:32 utc | 11
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JB, thank you for your comment, and I do so much agree with you. My best friend and comrade (who is also the head of the CP in Houston) is a Jew, and his views are almost identical to yours. We have had this discussion many times, but I feel that the current situation in Israel / Gaza is pressing him more than in the past due to the confluence of events over the las 20 years or so.
Today, the rightwing sector of the Jewish community (the Zionist) have gained such prominence in the Jewish community both in Israel, the Western European countries, and most definitely in the US, that there may not be an exit ramp for Judaism.
Israel owns both parties in the US Congress, and I think this is true in the EU as well: And this is a problem because this sector of the international Jewish community have become as blind, and as determined, as the Nazis in Germany about their status in the world. At this point I am not speaking for my friend, but I am piecing together some portions of our private conversations.
Zionist, and their allies, such as the Religious Zionism party and the Religious Ultra-Orthodox Jews, have a view of the world, and their place in it, that is as scary and dangerous as anything the Nazis could ever come up with.
They are convinced that they are Gods chosen people, and therefore anything they do to restore Israel must be God’s will. The Torah, which guides them in their relations with the rest of the lesser human beings on planet earth, has declared that a land they called Israel over two thousand years ago, was promised to them, and any lesser human beings who stands in their way must be destroyed. It is noted in the Bible in many places, but most explicitly perhaps, in Joshua where God tells the Israelites they must massacre all men, women, children, even farm animals: everything, in order to realize their promised homeland.
These millennialist Jews have millions of non-Jewish allies in mostly western countries like the US: they are known by many names, but millennialist Christian will suffice. These Christians are economically and politically powerful, and they are able to bring the economic and political power of nations like the US into the service of the millennialist Jewish state which has crystalized via an alliance between the right-wing Lukid Party and the Ultra-Orthodox Jews and millennialist.
This coalition is a product of accident, but one could ever persuade the Jew’s and the Christian millennialist that this is not God will be fulfilled as history. This is a dangerous stew being brewed and the consequence could well be Armageddon: And this too will be Gods fulfillment of prophecy for Christian millennialist as well.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 13 2024 3:44 utc | 79

re: the IDF has rules against killing civilians
General Yamashita also issued orders for his troops to behave decently. Despite those orders, he was still found guilty and executed for the Rape of Manila.
Commanders both civilian and military need to actively and forcefully prevent criminal activity. That’s international law.
If IDF troops bulldoze cemeteries, loot houses, machine gun mothers and their children – and those IDF are not immediately punished – then the civilian and military leadership are guilty.
How Tomoyuki Yamashita’s Execution in the Philippines After WWII Set a Global Precedent on War Crimes
https://www.esquiremag.ph/long-reads/features/tomoyuki-yamashita-standard-a00304-20200218-lfrm

Posted by: Exile | Jan 13 2024 4:40 utc | 81

Posted by: Virgile | Jan 13 2024 2:41 utc | 77
Yep. And is it a coincidence that the Ukros want to run their society the same was as the Izzies, but swapping Bandera and his Nazi loving minions with the criminals of Israel that perpetrated the Nakba, wrote the “history” books and have gone on to set the tone for all of Israeli policy toward Palestinians ever since?
Isra-Hell is a liberal totalitarian settler colonial occupation society, based on the worship of might makes right militarism even if that means one must be made to believe and take to heart Orwellian mental gymnastics and a massive victim complex despite being the victimizers. It’s fuckin’ amazing and disgusting.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2024 5:11 utc | 83

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 13 2024 1:26 utc | 74
staunch allies
euronews, Why is the EU mostly silent on South Africa’s genocide case against Israel?, 12 Jan

The EU, whose efforts to mediate in the Israel-Hamas war have been plagued by its 27 member states’ incoherent positions, has mostly maintained silent on the case. A European Commission spokesperson this week reaffirmed the bloc’s support to the ICJ but stopped short of backing the genocide case against Israel.
“Regarding this specific case, countries have the right to submit cases or lawsuits. The European Union is not part of this lawsuit,” Peter Stano [!], spokesperson for foreign affairs [EEAS], said on Tuesday. “This is not for us to comment at all.”
[…]
Countries including Germany, seen as a staunch ally of Israel, have also recently condemned LOL! far-right Israeli ministers’ calls to resettle Palestinians out of Gaza. Germany, Austria, and the Czech Republic—all considered staunch allies of Israel—have voiced scepticism about the case.

ynet, Germany to request to join as third party in Hague case: ‘Israel is not committing genocide’

Germany plans to intervene as a third party before the International Court of Justice (ICJ) using an article that permits states to seek clarification on the application of a multilateral convention. This uncommon step, if approved by the court, would enable Germany to present its own counterarguments against South Africa’s accusation of Israel committing genocide. The court will subsequently determine whether Germany’s arguments will be presented in written form or delivered orally.

jpost, Germany to intervene for Israel at ICJ; US, Canada say case is baseless

In a Friday press release, Hebestreit stated that while Germany supports the International Court of Justice in its work, it also supports Israel’s right to self-defense and rejects the ICJ’s accusation of genocide.

military attachés
news.am, UN court sets October 12 hearing for Armenia’s claim against Azerbaijan, Oct 6

The International Court of Justice in The Hague has scheduled a hearing regarding Armenia’s claim against Azerbaijan under the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (‘CERD’), focusing on the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh.

and ICJ backbenchers
Ukraine gets widespread support in genocide case at UN’s top court 20 Sep 2023 (Ukraine v. Russian Federation)

[…]
The treaty allows the other signatories to participate in the proceedings and 32 countries [AU, CA, LI, NO, NZ, UK, BE, BG, CY, DE, DK, EE, ES, FI, GR, FR, IE, IT, LT, LU, LV, CZ, HR, MT, NL, PO, PT, RO, SE, SI, SK] universally argue that the court does have jurisdiction. Lawyers spent the day encouraging The Hague-based court to move the case forward.
[…]

Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 13 2024 5:21 utc | 85

Just to let everyone know, I am a very big fan of Hamas.

Posted by: tim rourke | Jan 13 2024 5:41 utc | 87

it’s official, Berlin will join in as a third party supporting the Likud Gov’t in the ICJ lawsuit . Presser from Berlin gov’t;
https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/aktuelles/ueberschrift-korrigiert-erklaerung-der-bundesregierung-zur-verhandlung-am-internationalen-gerichtshof-2252842

Posted by: Exile | Jan 13 2024 6:29 utc | 89

Germany’s presence is a two-edged sword PR-wise. I guess the positive spin would be that Germany knows genocide when it sees it and this ain’t it.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 13 2024 6:54 utc | 91

Below is what I will call a “trial ballon” posting title at ZH
After 20 Years, It’s Time For American To Leave Iraq
ZH also has a posting up with the title
Turkey, Russia Condemn Strikes On Yemen: West Turning Red Sea “Into A Bloodbath”
the quote

The Turkish leader has lately been outspoken in support of Gaza, and condemnation of Israel’s military operation, but it remains somewhat surprising that the man who leads the second largest military within the NATO alliance would say things that are actually supportive of the Houthi side.

The winds of change are maybe picking up speed now

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 13 2024 7:04 utc | 93

it’s official, Berlin will join in as a third party supporting the Likud Gov’t in the ICJ lawsuit . Presser from Berlin gov’t;
Posted by: Exile | Jan 13 2024 6:29 utc | 89
Will Analena 360 Bareback be representing in the lead ?
I’d certainly pay to watch her spinnin circles on the stand …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 13 2024 7:11 utc | 95

Germany’s presence is a two-edged sword PR-wise. I guess the positive spin would be that Germany knows genocide when it sees it and this ain’t it.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 13 2024 6:54 utc | 91
The merits won’t going to trial this year, I think.
MEANWHILE, General Assembly of the United Nations’ Res. A/RES/77/247 will have its day in court. Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem (Press release 2023/65)

It is recalled that in its Order of 3 February 2023, the Court, pursuant to Article 66, paragraph 4, of its Statute, fixed 25 October 2023 as the time-limit within which States and organizations having presented written statements in the proceedings might submit written comments on the written statements made by other States or organizations. Fourteen written comments were filed in the Registry within this time-limit by (in order of receipt): Jordan, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, Qatar, Belize, Bangladesh, the observer State of Palestine, the United States of America, Indonesia, Chile, the League of Arab States, Egypt, Algeria, Guatemala, and Namibia. In addition, the President of the Court decided, on an exceptional basis, to authorize the late filing of the written comments of Pakistan on 2 November 2023.
The public hearings on the request for an advisory opinion are scheduled to open on Monday 19 February 2024.

What is the question?

in accordance with Article 96 of the Charter of the United Nations, to request the International Court of Justice, pursuant to Article 65 of the Statute of the Court, to render an advisory opinion on the following questions, considering the rules and principles of international law, including the Charter of the United Nations, international humanitarian law, international human rights law, relevant resolutions of the Security Council, the General Assembly and the Human Rights Council, and the advisory opinion of the Court of 9 July 2004 [in re: the “wall”, 13-2!]:
(a) What are the legal consequences arising from the ongoing violation by Israel of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination, from its prolonged occupation, settlement and annexation of the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including measures aimed at altering the demographic composition, character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem, and from its adoption of related discriminatory legislation and measures?
(b) How do the policies and practices of Israel referred to in paragraph 18(a) above affect the legal status of the occupation, and what are the legal consequences that arise for all States and the United Nations from this status?”
[…]
By the same Order, the Court fixed 25 October 2023 as the time-limit within which States and organizations having presented written statements may submit written comments on the written statements made by other States or organizations, in accordance with Article 66, paragraph 4, of its Statute. The Court subsequently authorized, at their request, the League of Arab States, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation [OIC] and the African Union [AU55] to participate in the proceedings.

If you’re wondering, the only judge remaining from the 2004 panel is Tomka (SK).

Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 13 2024 7:30 utc | 97

@ laguerre | Jan 12 2024 14:43 utc | 138
SA described Israel’s presentation as mere political rationales for its actions. ZERO actual legal arguments were proffered in an attempt to rebut the charges.
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/south-africa-s-ceasefire-request-in-gaza-difficult-for-icj-t

Posted by: Patrick al-Henrygazh | Jan 13 2024 7:46 utc | 99