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January 10, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-008
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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RE: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 10 2024 23:55 utc | 96 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 11 2024 0:19 utc | 101 RE: Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 11 2024 0:19 utc | 100 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 11 2024 0:32 utc | 102 So now we know what those IDF tanks are doing just sitting there getting blown up. These guys are having a party inside . By the fact it’s being published you know the fighters got the video off the dead soldiers . I just shake my head at what kind of army this is. Posted by: Hankster | Jan 11 2024 0:37 utc | 103 Weeb Union says the IDF is withdrawing from the north of Gaza: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 0:39 utc | 104 Trubind1 | Jan 11 2024 0:32 utc | 102 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 11 2024 0:41 utc | 105 Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 0:39 utc | 104 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 11 2024 0:51 utc | 106 RE: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 0:17 utc | 99 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 11 2024 0:57 utc | 107 There we go playing the eternal victim again … Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jan 11 2024 1:03 utc | 108 RE: Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 11 2024 0:41 utc | 105 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 11 2024 1:11 utc | 109 The Israeli defeat in the rubble of gaza city… the Muslim concept of martyrdom… Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 11 2024 1:27 utc | 110 Off topic: “The “GPT” in ChatGPT stands for “Generative Pre-trained Transformer” (and calling it “AI” is being generous, lol)” Posted by: David G Horsman | Jan 11 2024 1:36 utc | 111 “Is your point that the Gazans are in a concentration camp and therefore have justification to genocide and or ethnic cleanse Israel ? Posted by: Tak-Tik | Jan 11 2024 1:38 utc | 112 ICJ outcome not looking great. Norman Finkelstein goes through the list. Katie Halper interview Posted by: daffyDuct | Jan 11 2024 1:43 utc | 113 britishnavysubpar | Jan 10 2024 20:00 utc | 44 Posted by: Cynic | Jan 11 2024 1:50 utc | 114 . Gaza is not now nor has it ever been even remotely comparable to a Nazi concentration camp. Posted by: Jane | Jan 11 2024 1:54 utc | 115 Trubind1 | Jan 11 2024 1:11 utc | 109 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 11 2024 1:56 utc | 116 The Twitter thread I posted above on the ICJ has a lot of interesting discussion and new info. Posted by: daffyDuct | Jan 11 2024 2:01 utc | 117 People are in control Posted by: genocidal | Jan 11 2024 2:07 utc | 118 Posted by: David G Horsman | Jan 11 2024 1:36 utc | 111 Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 11 2024 2:15 utc | 119 RE: Posted by: Jane | Jan 11 2024 1:54 utc | 115 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 11 2024 2:20 utc | 120 Forgive the scepticism but the ICJ is in the Hague which is Dutch. Netherlands is just another Jewed-up Christian Colonial cuntry. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 11 2024 2:43 utc | 121 LightYearsFromHome@20:53 utc Posted by: bevin | Jan 11 2024 2:47 utc | 122 Abbreviations and Acronyms Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 11 2024 3:18 utc | 123 bevin@2:47 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 11 2024 3:26 utc | 124 Hoarsewhisperer @243 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 11 2024 3:29 utc | 125 To Tom_Q_Collins @ 94, Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Jan 11 2024 3:34 utc | 126 Posted by: daffyDuct | Jan 11 2024 2:01 utc | 117
addinng two (2) “dual-use” advocates to the current panel of 15. So that’s a wash. Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 11 2024 3:34 utc | 127 @Posted by: Tak-Tik | Jan 11 2024 1:38 utc | 112
On October 7th the vast majority killed were IDF and other security forces, armed settlers (all of which have done their military service), Hamas, and settlers killed by Israeli helicopters, tanks, and soldiers all firing wildly at anything they saw, plus crossfire. There is very little, if any, proof of Hamas intentionally and coldly killing unarmed civilians. There was no Hamas “terrorist” action, rather an excursion beyond the wall by an occupied people, to which the IDF massively over-reacted in a highly undisciplined manner. PS. Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 11 2024 3:54 utc | 129 As I predicted months ago the UNSC will not lift a finger to stop a genocide but just you try and f**c with their precious cargoes of plastic nick-knacks and they’ll all stand together:
(Aside: States are amoral actors at best. That goes for China and Russia as well despite all the Orthodox Christianity song and dance. At least China professes no morality outside of pragmatism. The rest of them adopt a facade of ethics.) Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 3:56 utc | 130 Posted by: robin | Jan 10 2024 18:56 utc | 33 Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 11 2024 4:04 utc | 131 ICJ court 2024: US, RU, SK, FR, MA, SO, CN, UG, IN, LB, JA, JP, DE, AU, BR; ad hoc: SA, IL Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 11 2024 4:24 utc | 132 The Morning Star today reports that : Posted by: bevin | Jan 11 2024 4:39 utc | 133 As the occupying power – the gov’t of Isreal has the obligation to house, protect, and feed the non-combat population iof Gaza. Israel government is obliged to provide safe harbor inside Israel. Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 4:46 utc | 134 122 bevin . Posted by: Hankster | Jan 11 2024 4:46 utc | 135
The dying genocidal entity did elect other genocidal characters for leaders, but there are vacancies and your chances are obviously high. Posted by: SlowDL | Jan 11 2024 6:02 utc | 136 Question: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 6:26 utc | 137 (Australian) Albanese government refuses to reveal stance on UN genocide case against Israel Posted by: Menz | Jan 11 2024 6:49 utc | 138 1/”Is there a chance of the USA pressuring the PA to get S.A to squash the genocide case in the ICJ?..” Posted by: bevin | Jan 11 2024 7:04 utc | 139 @Honzo | Jan 10 2024 19:37 utc | 39
I know from personal experience that psychopaths often have an impressive ability to cry in front of their victims. Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 11 2024 7:15 utc | 140 Jonathan Cook expresses what most of the world feels today Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 11 2024 7:23 utc | 141 Almost complete news blackout in the UK regarding ICJ. Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 11 2024 7:29 utc | 142 The BBC this morning is reporting considerable windiness on the part of UK Naval Forces in the Red Sea. Posted by: Engineer-John | Jan 11 2024 7:36 utc | 143 A mighty journalist representing all the murdered and jailed and honouring the Greats. Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 11 2024 7:40 utc | 144 2-Because the PA has no credibility at all, anywhere, in Palestine least of all. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 7:52 utc | 145 Middle East Eye reports; Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 8:01 utc | 146 (Australian) Albanese government refuses to reveal stance on UN genocide case against Israel
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 8:03 utc | 147 DunGroanin | Jan 11 2024 7:23 utc | 141 Posted by: bevin | Jan 11 2024 8:03 utc | 148 I keep watching global market indicators even though they no longer represent fundamental economic theory but more the smiley face of the political economy. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 11 2024 8:20 utc | 149 The Cradle has a posting up about Iraq trying again to oust the US and below is the link and a quote
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 11 2024 8:27 utc | 150 Note : the ICJ hearing will appear odd to most Barflies – little drama, however – listen very carefully to the questions posed by the judges (if any) that will provide all the insight one needs. Try to be detached and analytical. Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 8:41 utc | 151 I’ve only had fifteen minutes of a placeholder logo and no sound in that web-stream so far :/ It’s running (I can pause it and go back and forth, adjust volume, and so on) but there’s no broadcast, at least not on my end. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 11 2024 8:45 utc | 152 webtv UN is down, any other link? Posted by: Minaa | Jan 11 2024 8:53 utc | 153 It’s politics that will matter not the law. I reckon that there will not be a majority of judges who vote in favour of the complaint. In my view, neither Russia nor China will vote in favour of the temporary injunction and the majority of the remaining judges are from countries who are in thrall to the US or too frightened to take a stand. Posted by: Vragtes | Jan 11 2024 8:58 utc | 154 it is live stream on AJE Posted by: Minaa | Jan 11 2024 9:03 utc | 155 UN webtv is “up” for me but as described before. Here is the direct link I’m waiting on. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 11 2024 9:04 utc | 157 Aharon Barak is NOT defending Israel in this case. Posted by: pq | Jan 11 2024 9:08 utc | 159 ICJ. Different to ICC but still no teeth. For context look up Nicaragua vs US at the ICJ. The court found in favor of Nicaragua so the US just told them to shove it and walked away. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 11 2024 9:30 utc | 161 Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 11 2024 3:34 utc | 127 Posted by: pq | Jan 11 2024 9:32 utc | 162 Weak arguments – the key words would be ‘indiscriminate’ and ‘proporationality’ Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 9:38 utc | 163 No mention of Israel’s responsibilities as the occupying power Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 9:45 utc | 164 Hardly a coincidence that Israel and its minions “sanitized” their language just in time for today. Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 11 2024 9:58 utc | 165 Thanks to who gave us this link: http://webtv.un.org/en/asset/k11/k11gf661b3 Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 11 2024 10:04 utc | 166 @Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 11 2024 9:30 utc | 161
That was in the 1980s and Nicaragua is a small country that hardly anyone knows about, just another Central American small state being kicked around by the US. Strong arguments now – linking leadership exhortations for mass murder with IDF soldiers celebrating their atrocities Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 10:13 utc | 168 Weak arguments – the key words would be ‘indiscriminate’ and ‘proporationality’ Posted by: pq | Jan 11 2024 10:29 utc | 169 PQ, Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 10:35 utc | 170 At least it was stated that evidence can be presented to further the case that has occurred since lodgement . Israelis have kept on committing genocide and verbally inciting without let up. That’s a big hole they dug. Posted by: Hankster | Jan 11 2024 10:42 utc | 172 Only a “coffee break” (or cigarette break) so I guess ten to fifteen minutes, maybe less. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 11 2024 10:44 utc | 173 It’s still early in the day but I think focusing on Oct 7 would be going down an Israeli hasbara rabbit hole. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 10:45 utc | 174 Israel’s responsibilities as the occupying power Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 10:50 utc | 175 I repeat: Finkelstein thinks 1) end of the occupation 2) the right of return and 3) equal rights for Arabs in Israe are not justified. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 10:55 utc | 176 Re: Occupying Power Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 10:56 utc | 177 https://nitter.net/nikstankovic_/status/1745019491371585552#m Posted by: MD | Jan 11 2024 10:56 utc | 178 South Africa’s arguments are excellent and cover everything that needs to be covered at this stage when provisional measures are sought from the ICJ. Posted by: JB | Jan 11 2024 10:56 utc | 179 Aharon Barak is NOT defending Israel in this case. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 10:57 utc | 180 Is there a counter anywhere indicating how many are watching the ICJ livestream ? Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 10:59 utc | 181 As I have stated here before, the Court will issue the requested measures. Israel will not stop, because courts do not stop wars. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 11:01 utc | 182 @182 Posted by: AntiZion | Jan 11 2024 11:20 utc | 183 Hitting it out of park – this lady Lawyer/Judge is brilliant linking to prior ICJ provisional measures. Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 11:32 utc | 184 should the Injunction by ICJ be implemented or not ..is the Axis of Resistance entitled to take action should Isr still proceed in the slaughter? Posted by: Jo | Jan 11 2024 11:54 utc | 185 “Israel will not stop, because courts do not stop wars.” Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 11 2024 11:59 utc | 186 Finally the answer to the question our hasbara clown contingent (genocide, g, you know yourselves) has been asking for months: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 12:00 utc | 187 South Africa is now presenting its case at The International Court of Justice (ICJ). Posted by: David G Horsman | Jan 11 2024 12:03 utc | 188 THE HAGUE: South Africa v. Israel – DAY 1 – S.A. Oral Arguments – International Court of Justice Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 11 2024 12:05 utc | 189 There is an oiltanker from iraq heading for Oman, that has changed course and now heading for Iran after being boarded. Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 11 2024 12:17 utc | 190 as an occupying authority.. Isr. must provide humanitarian aid itself to Gaza….? Not just allow or permit outside aid to come in without hindrance and checks??? Posted by: Jo | Jan 11 2024 12:21 utc | 191 Well done South African Govt and all those legal eagles involved. Can’t do better than that imho. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 11 2024 12:25 utc | 192 Not just allow or permit outside aid to come in without hindrance and checks??? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 12:25 utc | 193 Barflies, Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 12:31 utc | 194 Occupying Power; Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 12:34 utc | 195 Closing argument excellent. Addressed “Hamas”.. “war crimes vs genocide” “self defense” “occupation” “prior UN ICC/ICJ Orders”. All arguments addressed prior precedence and jurisprudence. Solid argument as to why Israel “commitment” to prevent genocide or alleviate suffering cannot be considered in evaluating interim order. Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 11 2024 12:34 utc | 196 The U.S. official position on the South African case of Israeli genocide against the Palestinian people of Gaza is “meritless.” Obviously the U.S. is as complicit as Israel. It will be interesting to hear what is said with respect to U.S. weaponizing and enabling the Israeli government and military in this deadly, genocidal action. Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Jan 11 2024 12:36 utc | 197 what arguments will the ‘defense’ make tomorrow ? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 12:38 utc | 198 Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 10:59 utc | 181 Posted by: Pq | Jan 11 2024 12:42 utc | 199 117 journalists killed as of today. A Red Crescent paramedic broke down after 6 of his paramedic colleagues killed in strike. Posted by: Pq | Jan 11 2024 12:49 utc | 200 |
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