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January 10, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-008
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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BBC Radio has begun speculating on the outcome of the ICJ Gaza Genocide hearings. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 10 2024 16:53 utc | 1 (Repost from prior thread) Posted by: Exile | Jan 10 2024 17:10 utc | 2 Abbreviations and Acronyms Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 10 2024 17:14 utc | 3 RE: Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 10 2024 17:14 utc | 3 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 17:23 utc | 4 Canada’s public broadcaster (CBC) begins its report by framing the issue as : “Israel will face a new foe on a new front this week…” while, several paragraphs later, attributing Gaza’s casualty numbers as claims by “the territory’s Hamas-run Health Ministry.” It’s textbook propaganda – the use of language to blur reality, exactly as described decades ago by Chomsky and Hermann. Posted by: jayc | Jan 10 2024 17:24 utc | 5 aljazeera tonight inside story is about the case for genocide. Posted by: Jo | Jan 10 2024 17:33 utc | 6 Can ethnic cleansing be justified ? Can genocide be justified ? YES, According to Nazis, Neo Nazis, HAMAS and many at the MOA website, as long as it is is done to Israel and the Jews residing there. Posted by: genocidal | Jan 10 2024 17:33 utc | 7 RE: Posted by: jayc | Jan 10 2024 17:24 utc | 5 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 17:34 utc | 8 Escobar posted this at his Telegram: More Bullshit from the Bullshit poster. Only the Zionists have publicly advocated for Genocide as their plan/project. And it’s been that way–and admitted as such–since the outset prior to 1948 and after that by the terrorists of that age. It’s all there in the public record so there’s no denying those facts. https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1745085248000422039 Posted by: Keshe Vuger | Jan 10 2024 17:40 utc | 11 Posted by: Keshe Vuger | Jan 10 2024 17:40 utc | 11 Posted by: hedlykarok | Jan 10 2024 17:51 utc | 12 Envision loving angels as beautiful white kites around the world, bearing witness and radiating love back to us on our exquisite blue marble, Earth. 🙂 — For Refaat Posted by: titmouse | Jan 10 2024 17:54 utc | 14 It seems that the American warships SAMs (surface-to-air missiles) are depleted… Posted by: Honzo | Jan 10 2024 17:57 utc | 15 “Over the past 90 days, we witnessed a high humanitarian cost, which is what led us to stand alongside Israel.” Posted by: Honzo | Jan 10 2024 17:58 utc | 16 For those of us in Europe the UN and ICJ stream starts 0930 CET (Central European Time). Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 10 2024 18:00 utc | 17 @ Keshe Vuger | Jan 10 2024 17:40 utc | 11 with the tweet about the latest Houthi efforts…thanks
Go Houthi! Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 10 2024 18:00 utc | 18 Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 10 2024 17:14 utc | 3 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 18:03 utc | 19 According to recent postings on Rense both Nicaragua and Venezuela are backstopping South Africa in the world Court affair. Though the judges, et al have been carefully selected by the Collective Waste; these news items will seep into the consciousness of those who keep track of events. Thus, the actual value of the hearings are mainly in the realm of international public opinion. Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 10 2024 18:05 utc | 20 Re: ICJ genocide lawsuit Posted by: Exile | Jan 10 2024 18:07 utc | 21 Honzo @1757 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 10 2024 18:08 utc | 22 Honzo @1757 Posted by: liveload | Jan 10 2024 18:15 utc | 23 Israel worried about the genocide case. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 18:20 utc | 24 “Over the past 90 days, we witnessed a high humanitarian cost, which is what led us to stand alongside Israel.” Looking closer at Kaltura I’m worried there will be no public/3rd party recordings of the ICJ stream and it seems very unlikely any downloads will be available from the ICJ or the UN. Thus the video streams will “disappear” and/or only edited versions or short snippets will appear. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 10 2024 18:30 utc | 26 Can ethnic cleansing be justified ? Can genocide be justified ? YES, According to Nazis, Neo Nazis, HAMAS and many at the MOA website, as long as it is is done to Israel and the Jews residing there. Posted by: Ed | Jan 10 2024 18:35 utc | 27 Posted by: Exile | Jan 10 2024 17:10 utc | 2 Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 10 2024 18:36 utc | 28 I am not Christian yet this Biblical passage is quite appropriate: Posted by: Ed | Jan 10 2024 18:41 utc | 29 Posted by: Exile | Jan 10 2024 17:10 utc | 2
Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 10 2024 18:50 utc | 30 The palestinian invaders are being evicted from Jewish Land. Posted by: Dr. Israel | Jan 10 2024 18:51 utc | 31 “What should the State do when dealing with such an enemy ?” Posted by: David G Horsman | Jan 10 2024 18:54 utc | 32 @ Alchemist | Jan 10 2024 17:14 utc | 3 Posted by: robin | Jan 10 2024 18:56 utc | 33 Posted by: Exile | Jan 10 2024 17:10 utc | 2
Link to short video summarizing some of what to expect. Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 10 2024 18:57 utc | 34 Honzo | Jan 10 2024 17:58 utc | 16–
Thanks for that. Posted by: ChatNPC | Jan 10 2024 19:16 utc | 36 Pepe Escobar’s latest at The Cradle explores the ICJ suit, “BRICS member South Africa takes Zionism to court”, with Pepe’s subtitle being just as important: Posted by: robin | Jan 10 2024 18:56 utc | 33 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 19:25 utc | 38 Thanks for your reply. The evidence shows, however, that they never had any humanity to begin with. Posted by: Honzo | Jan 10 2024 19:37 utc | 39 I am crossing my fingers on this whole ICJ business. Call me jaded but I have seen so many disappointing results when I thought for sure something bad (judicial) would happen to the dirty, rotten and evil fuques in DC and City of London. I am hoping to god but it might be just another wild goose chase. Posted by: bisfugged | Jan 10 2024 19:43 utc | 40 Yes, ethnic cleansing is a war crime and crime against humanity. Posted by: librul | Jan 10 2024 19:51 utc | 41 Tomorrow, January 11, 2024, South Africa presents its oral argument that Israel is practicing genocide in Gaza at the Court of International Justice in the Hague, from 9:30/10:00 o’ clock European Time (3:30 EST, probably streamed for later viewing). Let’s see what DC and the media make of the whole thing? Or will they ignore it? Search webtv.un.org/en/schedule/2024-01-11 Posted by: Quentin | Jan 10 2024 19:51 utc | 42 @ karlof1 | Jan 10 2024 19:24 utc | 37 with the latest Pepe link….thanks! Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 10 2024 19:53 utc | 43 HMS Diamond is part of the US-UK destroyer squadron in the Red Sea. On Tuesday night the squadron was attacked by a swarm of 21 drones and missiles launched by Houthis. Seven of the drones headed towards the HMS Diamond which fired its Sea Viper air defense missiles, which proved to be no match for the inexpensive propeller driven drones. The Diamond had a close call and had to use its guns to shoot down drones. Posted by: britishnavysubpar | Jan 10 2024 20:00 utc | 44 psychohistorian | Jan 10 2024 19:53 utc | 43– I’m sure the ICJ judges are in a state of panic right about now, desperately seeking, individually and severally, some face-saving pretext for dismissing the South African case. One almost feels sorry for them. Posted by: malenkov | Jan 10 2024 20:04 utc | 46 Posted by: malenkov | Jan 10 2024 20:04 utc | 46 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 20:09 utc | 47 Further, any judge that finds against Israel – unless serving a lifetime appointment – will see their career suddenly take a turn for the worse when up for the next appointment or promotion. I bet the same holds for the judges in front of whom Julian Assange has stood over the past 5 years. The other thing is, finding against Assange and for Israel may also be very lucrative, if you know what I’m saying. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 20:11 utc | 48 The other thing is, finding against Assange and for Israel may also be very lucrative, if you know what I’m saying. Posted by: malenkov | Jan 10 2024 20:15 utc | 50 The Houthi attack seems like more of a probing attack to test defenses. I am sure that Russia and China assets were in the area with their ears on and heads up gathering all kinds of intelligence. Posted by: golddigger | Jan 10 2024 20:18 utc | 51 Quentin: Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 10 2024 20:20 utc | 52 Consider Jews living in a German (an internationally recognized nation) Nazi concentration camp. The Jews conspire to escape, but the villages around the camp house most of the prison guards and their families, and the civilians (thousands of them) who live in the villages work for pay in the camp, and they support the Nazis. In order to escape, the Jews must not only kill the Nazi guards, but many, maybe most, of the civilians in the villages that surround the concentration camp as well, in order to escape into the mountains. Posted by: genocidal | Jan 10 2024 20:25 utc | 53 “For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” Posted by: MAKK | Jan 10 2024 20:33 utc | 54 Posted by: genocidal | Jan 10 2024 20:25 utc | 53 Posted by: hedlykarok | Jan 10 2024 20:34 utc | 55 Posted by: golddigger | Jan 10 2024 20:18 utc | 51 Posted by: britishnavysubpar | Jan 10 2024 20:36 utc | 56 https://consortiumnews.com/2024/01/08/the-spectacular-failure-of-the-zionist-project/ Posted by: hedlykarok | Jan 10 2024 20:42 utc | 57 Here’s a curveball, from Pepe Escobar’s TG, the mindfucks never end, discuss at will: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 10 2024 20:45 utc | 58 ^ I’ll add, and what Pepe didn’t – what do the Houthis get out of it? Complete end to all hostilities? Why would they trust any of the players, and like they’re going to trust the CIA? So, the Houthis fuck Egypt and the USA and KSA then renege on any deal and the Houthis and Egypt both are fucked? Deals worked during the cold war when the goal was to enhance stability, now it’s all about enhancing chaos, I don’t see it. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 10 2024 20:53 utc | 59 : britishnavysubpar | Jan 10 2024 20:36 utc | 56 Posted by: golddigger | Jan 10 2024 20:59 utc | 60 It’s hilarious that Israel calls Hamas ‘ hostage -taking exercise “Genocidal” when the Israeli Hannibal directive killed 1000 of the 1200 killed on Oct 7. Posted by: Giyane | Jan 10 2024 21:02 utc | 61 Weeb Union claims … Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 10 2024 21:39 utc | 62 RE: Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 10 2024 19:24 utc | 37 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 21:42 utc | 63 Less than 24 hours before the ICJ hearings and for the first time, Israel’s Netanyahu speaks in English claiming that he doesn’t seek to expel Palestinians from Gaza. Posted by: Hankster | Jan 10 2024 21:44 utc | 64 fyi, Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 10 2024 21:52 utc | 65 Is there a list of nations supporting SA IJC case? I did hear 57 but I’m only reading individual nations saying they support it. Not sure if support means they just announce this or actually signing on to be co petitioner Posted by: Hankster | Jan 10 2024 21:56 utc | 66 reply to 58 Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 10 2024 21:57 utc | 67 Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 21:42 utc | 63 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 10 2024 21:58 utc | 68 RE: Posted by: Hankster | Jan 10 2024 21:44 utc | 64 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 22:01 utc | 69 golddigger | Jan 10 2024 20:59 utc | 60– Hankster | Jan 10 2024 21:56 utc | 66– RE: Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 20:09 utc | 47 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 22:20 utc | 72 “Blinken in particular strikes me as a man always on the verge of tears…. I don’t say this in sympathy, but rather because I hope he’s suffering.” Posted by: Cerena | Jan 10 2024 22:20 utc | 73 Hankster | Jan 10 2024 21:56 utc | 66– RE Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 10 2024 21:58 utc | 68 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 22:30 utc | 75 “Gaza is not now nor has it ever been even remotely comparable to a Nazi concentration camp.” Posted by: Cerena | Jan 10 2024 22:45 utc | 76 Why hasn’t the entire PLA administration & “President” been forcibly removed or targeted by Hamas? Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 22:48 utc | 77 someone needs to “lend” a real anti ship missile to the Hoothies. Posted by: MIGA | Jan 10 2024 22:50 utc | 78 TASS is reporting it’ll be a few weeks after hearing that ICJ delivers even its “interim verdict”. Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 22:57 utc | 79 Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 22:30 utc | 75 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 10 2024 23:00 utc | 80 golddigger | Jan 10 2024 20:59 utc | 60– UNSC passes resolution against Houthi “attacks” issuing a desist order basically. Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 23:14 utc | 82 RE Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 10 2024 21:58 utc | 68 Posted by: genocidal | Jan 10 2024 20:25 utc | 53 Posted by: Menz | Jan 10 2024 23:24 utc | 84 Ramy Abdu| رامي عبده Posted by: Menz | Jan 10 2024 23:26 utc | 85 Genocidal @ 7, Ed @ 27:
This is not a purely hypothetical situation … something like this actually did happen, in the famous Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of 1943.
Of course, Genocidal would say the Jewish resistance in the Warsaw ghetto were justified in doing what they did, but the troll will see no parallels and similarities with the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and the active Hamas resistance that started on 7 October 2023. Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jan 10 2024 23:27 utc | 86 War on Gaza: Israel cages Palestinian towns in West Bank with iron gates Posted by: Menz | Jan 10 2024 23:29 utc | 87 Ten Israeli Troops Killed In Gaza Blast, Clashes Posted by: Menz | Jan 10 2024 23:34 utc | 88 RE: Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 10 2024 23:00 utc | 80 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 23:35 utc | 89 Can ethnic cleansing be justified ? Can genocide be justified ? YES, According to Nazis, Neo Nazis, HAMAS and many at the MOA website, as long as it is is done to Israel and the Jews residing there. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 10 2024 23:36 utc | 90 Posted by: Exile | Jan 10 2024 20:14 utc | 49 – Exactly Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 23:40 utc | 91 Posted by: malenkov | Jan 10 2024 20:15 utc | 50 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 23:42 utc | 92 RE: Posted by: Menz | Jan 10 2024 23:29 utc | 87 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 23:46 utc | 93 Hamas has NEVER called for the eradication of ALL Jews throughout the world. They merely called for the expulsion of the occupying colonialists who stole the Palestinians’ territory and continue to steal it. Then, they even took that out of their “charter.” The only party to this conflict calling for and openly carrying out genocide is Zionist Israel. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 23:54 utc | 94 Everyone can add their own submission to the IJC here. Compile video photos statements and add your own commentary to the submission Posted by: Hankster | Jan 10 2024 23:54 utc | 95 Someone mentioned that the “Houthi” movement are about the only party actively enforcing article I of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide:
Seems pretty cut and dried to me. What Ansarullah is doing is perfectly legal under so called ‘international law’. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 10 2024 23:55 utc | 96 Excellent comprehensive interview with spokesman for Iraqi Hezbollah: Posted by: Patrick al-Henrygahz | Jan 10 2024 23:59 utc | 97 As usual, Russia “passes” but “regrets”… Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 11 2024 0:04 utc | 98 The propagandists at France24 news complain that HAMAS fighters are sitting safe in their tunnels while ordinary Palestinians in Gaza freeze outside in the cold. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 0:17 utc | 99 Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 23:35 utc | 89 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 11 2024 0:19 utc | 100 |
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