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January 10, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-008

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BBC Radio has begun speculating on the outcome of the ICJ Gaza Genocide hearings.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 10 2024 16:53 utc | 1

(Repost from prior thread)
Bear Witness Thursday and Friday – The Judges should feel the whole world is watching
ICJ hearing live streamed
10am, The Hague; 4am, NYC; 5pm, Kuala Lumpur; 8pm, Sydney; etc.
Link to live stream
http://webtv.un.org/en/schedule

Posted by: Exile | Jan 10 2024 17:10 utc | 2

Abbreviations and Acronyms
I have updated the list of 3 and 4 letter abbreviations/acronyms seen on MoA that I posted a couple of weeks ago. I keep thinking I must have captured them all, however, every day brings one or two new ones that I had not seen before. Click the link below to access the current list; and please feel free to send me any omissions that I may need to add.
http://www.jugglerpress.com/acronyms.pdf

Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 10 2024 17:14 utc | 3

RE: Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 10 2024 17:14 utc | 3
Dang! Really good, helpful & thorough list. Thx.🍻

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 17:23 utc | 4

Canada’s public broadcaster (CBC) begins its report by framing the issue as : “Israel will face a new foe on a new front this week…” while, several paragraphs later, attributing Gaza’s casualty numbers as claims by “the territory’s Hamas-run Health Ministry.” It’s textbook propaganda – the use of language to blur reality, exactly as described decades ago by Chomsky and Hermann.
Canada’s Parliament, a couple of years ago, officially condemned China as guilty of genocide for running non-voluntary skills-training programs in Xinjiang. That has gone down the rabbit-hole as the context and contrast would make current issues a bit too clear. Keep it fuzzy.

Posted by: jayc | Jan 10 2024 17:24 utc | 5

aljazeera tonight inside story is about the case for genocide.

Posted by: Jo | Jan 10 2024 17:33 utc | 6

Can ethnic cleansing be justified ? Can genocide be justified ? YES, According to Nazis, Neo Nazis, HAMAS and many at the MOA website, as long as it is is done to Israel and the Jews residing there.
Consider a State recognized by all the major world powers and the UN. Then consider an enemy who declares it wants to destroy that State and the residents in that State. An enemy which performs acts of war, terrorism and atrocities against residents of that State. An enemy that can not be negotiated with. An enemy that threatens the existence of that State. What should the State do when dealing with such an enemy ?

Posted by: genocidal | Jan 10 2024 17:33 utc | 7

RE: Posted by: jayc | Jan 10 2024 17:24 utc | 5
“Israel will face a new foe on a new front this week…”
Yep. The ICJ.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 17:34 utc | 8

Escobar posted this at his Telegram:
Blinken:
“Over the past 90 days, we witnessed a high humanitarian cost, which is what led us to stand alongside Israel.”
Too bad Blinken and his staff aren’t part of that “cost.”

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 10 2024 17:35 utc | 9

More Bullshit from the Bullshit poster. Only the Zionists have publicly advocated for Genocide as their plan/project. And it’s been that way–and admitted as such–since the outset prior to 1948 and after that by the terrorists of that age. It’s all there in the public record so there’s no denying those facts.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 10 2024 17:39 utc | 10

https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1745085248000422039
Houthis overwhelmed US air defences in the Red Sea
The British ship HMS Diamond had to intervene to deal with the Houthis’ barrage of missiles and drones.
It seems that the American warships SAMs (surface-to-air missiles) are depleted…

Posted by: Keshe Vuger | Jan 10 2024 17:40 utc | 11

Posted by: Keshe Vuger | Jan 10 2024 17:40 utc | 11
So sad for the US taxpayers…spending over $5m per to shoot down $10k drones and missiles.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Jan 10 2024 17:51 utc | 12

Sorry, that should have read $500m

Posted by: hedlykarok | Jan 10 2024 17:53 utc | 13

Envision loving angels as beautiful white kites around the world, bearing witness and radiating love back to us on our exquisite blue marble, Earth. 🙂 — For Refaat

Posted by: titmouse | Jan 10 2024 17:54 utc | 14

It seems that the American warships SAMs (surface-to-air missiles) are depleted…
Posted by: Keshe Vuger | Jan 10 2024 17:40 utc | 11
I think the Houthi are being very polite, not going for a full saturation attack, but chipping away to deplete AD missiles. When the American ships leave to rearm, they can do the same to the British and anyone else who wants to step up, getting the point across without escalating. It seems likely that the Houthi can hit a western warship if they really want to. Not being a big fan of global nuclear war, I appreciate their restraint.

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 10 2024 17:57 utc | 15

“Over the past 90 days, we witnessed a high humanitarian cost, which is what led us to stand alongside Israel.”
Too bad Blinken and his staff aren’t part of that “cost.”
Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 10 2024 17:35 utc | 9
But they are. They have lost their humanity.

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 10 2024 17:58 utc | 16

For those of us in Europe the UN and ICJ stream starts 0930 CET (Central European Time).
It is now listed as scheduled in the UN link provided by Exile and the Thursday pubic hearing even has its own page.
The stream supplier being used is a company called Kaltura.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 10 2024 18:00 utc | 17

@ Keshe Vuger | Jan 10 2024 17:40 utc | 11 with the tweet about the latest Houthi efforts…thanks
ZH has a posting title up about the Houthi latest
US Warship Directly Targeted In ‘Largest Ever’ Houthi Red Sea Missile Attack
The quotes

An initial military statement had called the Tuesday 9:15pm (local) assault a “complex attack” conducted by the Iran-aligned militants, which occurred off the Yemeni port cities of Hodeida and Mokha. CENTCOM tallied that it involved 18 one-way attack drones, two anti-ship cruise missiles and an anti-ship ballistic missile, according to the statement.

The Houthis, a Shiite group that has held Yemen’s capital of Sanaa since 2014, later claimed responsibility for the attack in a televised statement by rebel spokesman Brig. Gen. Yahya Saree. Saree claimed the attack “targeted an American ship that was providing support to the Zionist entity,” without offering any further information. He also described it as an “initial response” to American troops sinking Houthi vessels and killing 10 rebel fighters last week.

A @RoyalNavy warship @hmsdiamond shot down 7 drones launched by Iranian-backed Houthi militants in the Red Sea on Tuesday night in an operation with US forces to repel the largest drone and missile attack to date.

Go Houthi!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 10 2024 18:00 utc | 18

Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 10 2024 17:14 utc | 3
Good work on the acronyms list. For the following:
FAB – “Fugasnaya Aviatsionnaya Bomba”
The “GPT” in ChatGPT stands for “Generative Pre-trained Transformer” (and calling it “AI” is being generous, lol)

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 18:03 utc | 19

According to recent postings on Rense both Nicaragua and Venezuela are backstopping South Africa in the world Court affair. Though the judges, et al have been carefully selected by the Collective Waste; these news items will seep into the consciousness of those who keep track of events. Thus, the actual value of the hearings are mainly in the realm of international public opinion.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 10 2024 18:05 utc | 20

Re: ICJ genocide lawsuit
The 84 Page Orginal Application for those barflies who want to get into the details:
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf
Re: Right to Defend itself ?
Isreal as the occupying power does NOT have the right to defend itself under UN article 51. The ICJ opined on the subject in 2004. This opinion was ‘ratified’ by UNSC 2334 in 2016

Posted by: Exile | Jan 10 2024 18:07 utc | 21

Honzo @1757
Good take on Houthis being “polite”. Looks like the old frog-boiling technique is catching on all across the planet. Another term would be “death of a thousand cuts”. Imagine the frazzled nerves of those Murrikkkan and British sailors. Captains and Execs of those vessels may be crossing their fingers that they not get confronted by heavy swarms.
Psychological effects are mounting.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 10 2024 18:08 utc | 22

Honzo @1757
Good take on Houthis being “polite”. Looks like the old frog-boiling technique is catching on all across the planet. Another term would be “death of a thousand cuts”. Imagine the frazzled nerves of those Murrikkkan and British sailors. Captains and Execs of those vessels may be crossing their fingers that they not get confronted by heavy swarms.
Psychological effects are mounting.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 10 2024 18:08 utc | 22
Yeah, cause they really don’t have to do much other than fly a drone around to keep everyone up all night on alert, etc. The Soviets used to park a submarine just close enough to keep the B-52’s sleepless for days on end…it works

Posted by: liveload | Jan 10 2024 18:15 utc | 23

Israel worried about the genocide case.
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/01/09/israel-terrified-of-genocide-case-at-the-world-court/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 18:20 utc | 24

“Over the past 90 days, we witnessed a high humanitarian cost, which is what led us to stand alongside Israel.”
Too bad Blinken and his staff aren’t part of that “cost.”
Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 10 2024 17:35 utc | 9
But they are. They have lost their humanity.
Posted by: Honzo | Jan 10 2024 17:58 utc | 16
I am not Christian yet this Biblical passage is quite appropriate:
“For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”
Matthew 26:16

Posted by: canuck | Jan 10 2024 18:26 utc | 25

Looking closer at Kaltura I’m worried there will be no public/3rd party recordings of the ICJ stream and it seems very unlikely any downloads will be available from the ICJ or the UN. Thus the video streams will “disappear” and/or only edited versions or short snippets will appear.
Just a fair warning of what to expect.
I realize it’s only preliminary hearings from South Africa and Israel but we all know how these kinds of things commonly later end up edited and misused as or in propaganda.
If I had sufficient (video) screen capture ability I would use it (but I don’t). In the press release it said both of the hearings (one each on Thursday and Friday) will last two hours.
Or maybe none of it will matter at all (one can only tell afterwards).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 10 2024 18:30 utc | 26

Can ethnic cleansing be justified ? Can genocide be justified ? YES, According to Nazis, Neo Nazis, HAMAS and many at the MOA website, as long as it is is done to Israel and the Jews residing there.
Posted by: genocidal | Jan 10 2024 17:33 utc | 7
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Consider Jews living in a German (an internationally recognized nation) Nazi concentration camp. The Jews conspire to escape, but the villages around the camp house most of the prison guards and their families, and the civilians (thousands of them) who live in the villages work for pay in the camp, and they support the Nazis. In order to escape, the Jews must not only kill the Nazi guards, but many, maybe most, of the civilians in the villages that surround the concentration camp as well, in order to escape into the mountains.
The details about how, or with what weapons the Jews would use to resist is not important. The question is, does a captured people, contained in a concentration camp, or otherwise confined to a reservation by armed forces, have a right to use extreme violence to secure their freedoms? And, are the Nazis justified if they genocide the Jews for trying to escape?

Posted by: Ed | Jan 10 2024 18:35 utc | 27

I am not Christian yet this Biblical passage is quite appropriate:
“For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”
Matthew 26:16
Posted by: canuck | Jan 10 2024 18:26 utc | 25
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No canuck, that was not appropriate for the real-world situation that exist today in Gaza: Zionist have no souls.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 10 2024 18:41 utc | 29

Posted by: Exile | Jan 10 2024 17:10 utc | 2
A wonderful idea, I just opened that link in a new tab.
https://webtv.un.org/en/full-live-schedule
From page 2:

Thu 11 Jan
4:00am – 7:00am
THE HAGUE – The International Court of Justice (ICJ) holds public hearings in the case South Africa v. Israel
OrganizerInternational Court of Justice (ICJ)/Cour internationale de Justice (CIJ)
WherePeace Palace, The Hague, the Netherlands
On Thursday 11 and Friday 12 January 2024, the International Court of Justice will hold public hearings at the Peace Palace in The Hague, the seat of the Court, in the proceedings instituted by South Africa against Israel on 29 December 2023.
Le jeudi 11 et le vendredi 12 janvier 2024, la Cour internationale de Justice tiendra des audiences publiques au Palais de la Paix, à La Haye, où elle a son siège, dans l’instance introduite par l’Afrique du Sud contre Israël le 29 décembre 2023.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 10 2024 18:50 utc | 30

The palestinian invaders are being evicted from Jewish Land.
Beachfront property in Gaza is selling like hotcakes!

Posted by: Dr. Israel | Jan 10 2024 18:51 utc | 31

“What should the State do when dealing with such an enemy ?”
Next time make sure the land really is empty. Go home.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jan 10 2024 18:54 utc | 32

@ Alchemist | Jan 10 2024 17:14 utc | 3
Alchemist, are you collecting the IP addresses from MOA readers?

Posted by: robin | Jan 10 2024 18:56 utc | 33

Posted by: Exile | Jan 10 2024 17:10 utc | 2
A wonderful idea, thank you. I just opened that link in a new tab.
https://webtv.un.org/en/full-live-schedule
From page 2:

Thu 11 Jan
4:00am – 7:00am
THE HAGUE – The International Court of Justice (ICJ) holds public hearings in the case South Africa v. Israel
OrganizerInternational Court of Justice (ICJ)/Cour internationale de Justice (CIJ)
WherePeace Palace, The Hague, the Netherlands
On Thursday 11 and Friday 12 January 2024, the International Court of Justice will hold public hearings at the Peace Palace in The Hague, the seat of the Court, in the proceedings instituted by South Africa against Israel on 29 December 2023.
Le jeudi 11 et le vendredi 12 janvier 2024, la Cour internationale de Justice tiendra des audiences publiques au Palais de la Paix, à La Haye, où elle a son siège, dans l’instance introduite par l’Afrique du Sud contre Israël le 29 décembre 2023.

Link to short video summarizing some of what to expect.
https://youtu.be/N1iWA7B1Rw0?si=LcGeg_gK3vIawJzu

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 10 2024 18:57 utc | 34

Honzo | Jan 10 2024 17:58 utc | 16–
Thanks for your reply. The evidence shows, however, that they never had any humanity to begin with.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 10 2024 18:59 utc | 35

The “GPT” in ChatGPT stands for “Generative Pre-trained Transformer” (and calling it “AI” is being generous, lol)
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 18:03 utc | 19

Thanks for that.
The latest AI hype is bollocks and will quietly go away just like the much vaunted self-driving car.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jan 10 2024 19:16 utc | 36

Pepe Escobar’s latest at The Cradle explores the ICJ suit, “BRICS member South Africa takes Zionism to court”, with Pepe’s subtitle being just as important:
“Pretoria’s genocide case against Israel is crucial, not just to stop Tel Aviv’s carnage in Gaza, but to plant the first flag of multipolarism in the globe’s courtrooms: this is the first case of many that will seek to halt western impunity and restore international law as envisioned in the UN Charter.”
The last clause is the topper as it aligns with what Xi and Wang have recently said as I reported, “Xi Jinping & Wang Yi: New Year Addresses”.
Pepe includes the link to the lawsuit pdf which I provide again. This bit of info I haven’t seen supplied yet:
“South Africa is supported by Jordan, Bolivia, Turkiye, Malaysia, and significantly the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), which combines the lands of Islam, and constitutes 57 member states, 48 of these harboring a Muslim majority. It’s as if these nations were representing the overwhelming majority of the Global South.”
It’s not “as if”; rather, they are. In preparing to close, Pepe writes:
“In part, multipolarism has emerged to redress the decades-long shift away from the UN Charter and rush toward the lawlessness embodied in these illusory ‘rules.’ The nation-state system that underpins the global order cannot function without the international law that secures it. Without the law, we face war, war, and more war; the Hegemon’s ideal universe of endless war, in fact.”
In his closing remarks made yesterday, Wang Yi invoked these words at the beginning of a longer related sentence:
“We will fully implement the Global Security Initiative.”
That means the return to dominance of the UN Charter and the elimination of hegemonic forces. The rapidly weakening Outlaw US Empire is now being directly challenged by Multipolarism’s leading nations, South Africa’s Suit being one of the weapons utilized.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 10 2024 19:24 utc | 37

Posted by: robin | Jan 10 2024 18:56 utc | 33
Even if he was, they’d be essentially useless, unless he also has illegal access to ISP databases or subpoena powers and/or was planning to launch essentially random DDOS attacks on MoA readers.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 19:25 utc | 38

Thanks for your reply. The evidence shows, however, that they never had any humanity to begin with.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 10 2024 18:59 utc | 35
I like to think that children are born with a modicum of humanity. That’s why I object to killing them. It’s possible that Blinken and the rest were conscienceless psychopaths from birth, but Blinken in particular strikes me as a man always on the verge of tears. His regrets now may be confined to the ruin of every attempt to keep the official story straight in the face of Biden’s constant sabotage, but perhaps, somewhere down deep, he’s mourning the loss of his humanity. I don’t say this in sympathy, but rather because I hope he’s suffering.

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 10 2024 19:37 utc | 39

I am crossing my fingers on this whole ICJ business. Call me jaded but I have seen so many disappointing results when I thought for sure something bad (judicial) would happen to the dirty, rotten and evil fuques in DC and City of London. I am hoping to god but it might be just another wild goose chase.

Posted by: bisfugged | Jan 10 2024 19:43 utc | 40

Yes, ethnic cleansing is a war crime and crime against humanity.
“We’d like to see, and we’ve talked about this in government meetings, by the way. There aren’t any countries that want to take them [Gazans], even if we pay a lot of money. We should encourage voluntary migration, and we should compel them until they say they want it. The war does that.
Karhi, Shlomo 14 hours ago (01/10/2024) Minister of Communications
” The Gaza problem is not just our problem. The world should support humanitarian emigration, because that’s the only solution I know.
Gamliel, Gila 1 week ago (01/02/2024) Intelligence Minister
” We will do what is good for the State of Israel: the migration of hundreds of thousands from Gaza will allow the residents of the Gaza Envelope to return home and live in security and protect the IDF soldiers.
Ben-Gvir, Itamar 1 week ago (01/02/2024) Minister of National Security of Israel
” We must promote the solution to encourage the migration of Gaza residents. This is a correct, just, moral and humane solution. We have partners around the world that we can help. Encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza will allow us to bring home the residents of the Outaf and the residents of Gush Katif.
Ben-Gvir, Itamar 1 week ago (01/01/2024) Minister of National Security of Israel
” If we make sure that they will have many dead and that 400k refugees flee through the Rafah crossing, there will be no fear of mass slaughter among our soldiers […] the IDF is acting now, which pushes the residents […] into the cities. The immigration gates to Egypt and the sea should be opened. Allow people to go out and make it clear: whoever chooses to go out, has gone out.
Halevi, Amit MK
— 1938 —
“When the Stürmer suggested some years ago that a way to solve the Jewish Question would be to transport the Jews to the French colony of Madagascar, Jews and their lackeys mocked the idea and declared it inhumane. But today our proposal is being discussed by foreign statesmen. The press reports that French Foreign Minister Delbos discussed the matter in Warsaw, where the Polish people are also oppressed by the Jewish Question. According to the reports, the discussion considered the possibility of transporting a part of the surplus Jewish population from Poland to Madagascar.”
The source, 1938: (Infamous Nazi) Julius Streicher, “Madagascar,” Der Stürmer,#1/1938.
Julius Streicher, executed at Nuremberg.

Posted by: librul | Jan 10 2024 19:51 utc | 41

Tomorrow, January 11, 2024, South Africa presents its oral argument that Israel is practicing genocide in Gaza at the Court of International Justice in the Hague, from 9:30/10:00 o’ clock European Time (3:30 EST, probably streamed for later viewing). Let’s see what DC and the media make of the whole thing? Or will they ignore it? Search webtv.un.org/en/schedule/2024-01-11

Posted by: Quentin | Jan 10 2024 19:51 utc | 42

@ karlof1 | Jan 10 2024 19:24 utc | 37 with the latest Pepe link….thanks!
I agree that is just part of the death by a thousand cuts approach but I sure wish those thousand cuts would start to take effect…..just asking for a few of our fellow humans….sigh
I want to see the killing stopped and hope the ICJ effort does that

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 10 2024 19:53 utc | 43

HMS Diamond is part of the US-UK destroyer squadron in the Red Sea. On Tuesday night the squadron was attacked by a swarm of 21 drones and missiles launched by Houthis. Seven of the drones headed towards the HMS Diamond which fired its Sea Viper air defense missiles, which proved to be no match for the inexpensive propeller driven drones. The Diamond had a close call and had to use its guns to shoot down drones.
“It is unclear which ‘guns’ the HMS Diamond used to destroy these attack drones. However, the ship is equipped with a pair of Phalanx Close-In Weapon System (CWIS) guns and a 4.5-inch caliber deck gun. The CWIS is considered a weapon of last resort, with an effective range measured in yards, not miles. Destroyers typically maintain a distance of at least a mile from merchant ships, so the CWIS would only be useful if the warship was in the line of fire or targeted itself.” https://gcaptain.com/greyhound-day-naval-combat-red-sea/
Imagine what happens if the Diamond faces an even larger swarm with anti-ship missiles mixed in? The Arleigh Burke-class destroyers are performing a lot better than their British counterpart.

Posted by: britishnavysubpar | Jan 10 2024 20:00 utc | 44

psychohistorian | Jan 10 2024 19:53 utc | 43–
Thanks for your reply. Yes, we both want the killing to stop and see those that caused it all–Gaza and beyond–to be tried, convicted, and sentenced to Solitary Confinement for Life.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 10 2024 20:00 utc | 45

I’m sure the ICJ judges are in a state of panic right about now, desperately seeking, individually and severally, some face-saving pretext for dismissing the South African case. One almost feels sorry for them.
But I repeat: almost.

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 10 2024 20:04 utc | 46

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 10 2024 20:04 utc | 46
The Zionists and their Mossad have surely communicated some -for now- very veiled threats to the judges. At the very least, their whereabouts at any given time are tracked by Israeli “smart phone” malware, and their vehicles and domiciles are catalogued.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 20:09 utc | 47

Further, any judge that finds against Israel – unless serving a lifetime appointment – will see their career suddenly take a turn for the worse when up for the next appointment or promotion. I bet the same holds for the judges in front of whom Julian Assange has stood over the past 5 years. The other thing is, finding against Assange and for Israel may also be very lucrative, if you know what I’m saying.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 20:11 utc | 48

We know where your children live

Posted by: Exile | Jan 10 2024 20:14 utc | 49

The other thing is, finding against Assange and for Israel may also be very lucrative, if you know what I’m saying.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 20:11 utc | 48
____
The supply of underage girls (and no doubt the occasional boy) didn’t exhaust itself with Jeffrey Epstein’s “suicide”.

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 10 2024 20:15 utc | 50

The Houthi attack seems like more of a probing attack to test defenses. I am sure that Russia and China assets were in the area with their ears on and heads up gathering all kinds of intelligence.
The USN went into this crap shoot short of missiles. They can only reload missile tubes in port. That means a trip to Europe to reload.
SM missiles are very expensive supplies are limited. The Houthi are using cheap $2000 USD Drones and cheap missiles to take out 2 to $5 million USD missiles. Seems like the Houthi are the real winners of the attack. To take out 21 drones and missiles must have cost the USN 200 million dollars. I dont think the “Prosperity Guardian: can go on spending money and missiles at this rate.
Death by 1000 Cuts.
Link below shows Costs of USN missiles.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/38102/here-is-what-each-of-the-navys-ship-launched-missiles-actually-costs

Posted by: golddigger | Jan 10 2024 20:18 utc | 51

Quentin:
“Later viewing” is very doubtful and highly unlikely unless you or someone else can show full length examples (such as two hours long) of live streams from previous ICJ public hearings.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 10 2024 20:20 utc | 52

Consider Jews living in a German (an internationally recognized nation) Nazi concentration camp. The Jews conspire to escape, but the villages around the camp house most of the prison guards and their families, and the civilians (thousands of them) who live in the villages work for pay in the camp, and they support the Nazis. In order to escape, the Jews must not only kill the Nazi guards, but many, maybe most, of the civilians in the villages that surround the concentration camp as well, in order to escape into the mountains.
The details about how, or with what weapons the Jews would use to resist is not important. The question is, does a captured people, contained in a concentration camp, or otherwise confined to a reservation by armed forces, have a right to use extreme violence to secure their freedoms? And, are the Nazis justified if they genocide the Jews for trying to escape?
Posted by: Ed | Jan 10 2024 18:35 utc | 27
Is your point that the Gazans are in a concentration camp and therefore have justification to genocide and or ethnic cleanse Israel ?
P.S. “The details about how, or with what weapons the Jews would use to resist is not important.” I disagree.
P.S. Gaza is not now nor has it ever been even remotely comparable to a Nazi concentration camp.

Posted by: genocidal | Jan 10 2024 20:25 utc | 53

“For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”
Posted by: canuck | Jan 10 2024 18:26 utc | 25
I don’t think Blinken ever had a soul. conscience neither.
Perfect sociopath.

Posted by: MAKK | Jan 10 2024 20:33 utc | 54

Posted by: genocidal | Jan 10 2024 20:25 utc | 53
Well, they don’t have any ovens but white phosphorous works for their evil intents.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Jan 10 2024 20:34 utc | 55

Posted by: golddigger | Jan 10 2024 20:18 utc | 51
The newest Standard Missile 6 costs $10 million a piece and are supposed to intercept hypersonics. USN doesn’t have many SM-6 missiles. If a destroyer runs out of Standard Missile 2, the first choice for air defense against drones, is the procedure to turn to point defense missles or the deck gun before using a precious SM-6?

Posted by: britishnavysubpar | Jan 10 2024 20:36 utc | 56

https://consortiumnews.com/2024/01/08/the-spectacular-failure-of-the-zionist-project/
As a secular Jew raised in a fiercely anti-Zionist family, I grew up viewing the State of Israel as an unfortunate fait accompli and accepting that the two-state solution was probably the best that could be hoped for.
Since then, I have come to the conclusion that the creation of a Jewish state was a catastrophic mistake and that Zionist Israel has relinquished its right to exist.
What good could possibly have come from a project that handed a group of Jewish Europeans a land that for countless centuries was inhabited by Arab Palestinians?

Posted by: hedlykarok | Jan 10 2024 20:42 utc | 57

Here’s a curveball, from Pepe Escobar’s TG, the mindfucks never end, discuss at will:
WALK LIKE AN EGYPTIAN – AT GUNPOINT
This is extremely explosive.
Unconfirmed. Pure shadowplay. Comes from a Persian Gulf source.
The CIA may be – intentionally or otherwise – allied with the Houthis when it comes to the closure, for all practical purposes, of the Suez Canal.
That translates into financially pressuring Egypt to accept the 2.3 million population of Gaza, complete with a Mafioso “incentive” of $10 billion.
Crucially, the Hegemon has not taken any significant action against the Houthis – apart from the largely rhetorical Operation Protect Genocide.
Cairo has firmly refused to accept the Israeli-engineered Palestinian Exodus.
Yet the pressure is relentless. Memos have been sent to Egyptian advisers reminding them of their ultra-precarious financial situation.
What the source does not consider is that Egypt is now an official BRICS 10 member.
Russia-China, shadowplay style, must have made their moves to assure Cairo they’ve got their back

https://t.me/rocknrollgeopolitics/9604

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 10 2024 20:45 utc | 58

^ I’ll add, and what Pepe didn’t – what do the Houthis get out of it? Complete end to all hostilities? Why would they trust any of the players, and like they’re going to trust the CIA? So, the Houthis fuck Egypt and the USA and KSA then renege on any deal and the Houthis and Egypt both are fucked? Deals worked during the cold war when the goal was to enhance stability, now it’s all about enhancing chaos, I don’t see it.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 10 2024 20:53 utc | 59

: britishnavysubpar | Jan 10 2024 20:36 utc | 56
A ships captain would have to be mad to let a swarm of missiles or drones get close enough to the ship to use Close in short range defense. The threat would have been taken care of a longer ranges using whatever missile defense at their disposal. Close in defense is for a last resort.
The link in my post reflects older 2021 data. Prices are higher now for the missiles now. I linked it to back up my point of how much the USN is spending to take out very cheap drones.
The US is doing a very dangerous thing. All that needs to happen now is a missile getting thru and damaging a warship. That would show weakness. Commercial shipping in the Read Sea would come to stop.

Posted by: golddigger | Jan 10 2024 20:59 utc | 60

It’s hilarious that Israel calls Hamas ‘ hostage -taking exercise “Genocidal” when the Israeli Hannibal directive killed 1000 of the 1200 killed on Oct 7.
It’s also hilarious that only African Christianity has the moral fibre to submit a case of Genocide to the ICJ.
The countries that USUKIS sources its Islamist proxies were all converted to Islam by force. The countries to which USUKIS sends its Islamist proxies to attack were all Christian before converting to Islam.
Hence its easy to see why Israel supported Hamas. USUKIS is only interested in Islam as a tool of, and therefore an excuse for , violence.
Israel will claim that all Palestinians are the same as Hamas, and therefore fair targets in war. Netanyahu immediately declared the insurgency to be a war against Palestinians.
The legalities of this are all carefully crafted by USUKIS lawyers.
USUKIS will be drawing on USUKIS legal arguments by which ICJ lawyers will all be highly influenced. It is therefore only the fear of the world’s street that will help the ICJ to condemn Israel for genocide.
I have no respect for lawyers who are really the most corrupt in a pyramid of corrupt bat-guano, the lowest rungs of which are Estate agents and solicitors.
The highest rungs are distilled covid and I don’t expect humanity to feature much in their verdicts.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 10 2024 21:02 utc | 61

Weeb Union claims …
Gaza City FREE: Israel Withdrwas From Gaza City
https://youtu.be/EF9T-m8nP0E

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 10 2024 21:39 utc | 62

RE: Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 10 2024 19:24 utc | 37
I think the “multipolar” stars in Pepe’s eyes are making him see everything through a starry gaze. The multipolar world he boasts about with BRICS, has a long way to infiltrate into the global legal realm.
It’s easy to see that South Africa’s suit, was not supported by the “BRIC” and thus the “S” support, in this new “multipolar” future, was left on its own.
The BRICS will end up an alternative financial organization, to be used at will by nations, a different “bank” so to speak. Not much more. And a Cold War between rising powers, causing splits, happens without “multi-polarization ”.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 21:42 utc | 63

Less than 24 hours before the ICJ hearings and for the first time, Israel’s Netanyahu speaks in English claiming that he doesn’t seek to expel Palestinians from Gaza.
“Israel has no intention of permanently occupying Gaza or displacing its civilian population. Israel is fighting Hamas terrorists, not the Palestinian population, and we are doing so in full compliance with international law”, he claimed
Now let’s put this bs up against his previous statements and those of his likud over the last few days.
Israeli MP Nissim Vaturi in press remarks: “Gaza and its people must be burned, I have no pity for them.”

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 10 2024 21:44 utc | 64

fyi,
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1745134619584811464
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
Over the past 90 days, #Israel has, on average, killed 255 Palestinians and injured 670 daily in #Gaza.
In the same period of 90 days, a total of approximately +23,600 Palestinians have been killed and 60,000 wounded, with children and women accounting for about 70% of these casualties
#Gaza has become one big graveyard under the impotent watch of world leaders, especially (most of) the Arab leaders who have done nothing to stop the #US from supporting #Israel in its war crimes and crimes against humanity.
And
https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1745055739092062521
The Houthis targeted American ship in the Red Sea
Ansarullah fired dozens of drones and missiles at an American ship in response to the killing of several Yemeni fighters.
Houthis overwhelmed US air defences in the Red Sea
The British ship HMS Diamond had to intervene to deal with the Houthis’ barrage of missiles and drones.
It seems that the American warships SAMs (surface-to-air missiles) are depleted
AND re the disgusting BBC, and Palestine
https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1744315010350989545
Craig Murray @CraigMurrayOrg
One thing is abundantly clear.
If the genocide does last a year as Israel now threatens, and 200,000 Palestinian civilians die of bombardment, hunger and disease
the BBC will still be running regular Israeli puff pieces about October 7
AND
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/un-to-watch-icj-decision-on–israel-s–genocide-case–dujarr
UN to watch ICJ decision on “Israel’s” genocide case: Dujarric
“…The Maldives, Namibia, and Pakistan announced their support for South Africa’s lawsuit against “Israel” during a UN General Assembly session on Tuesday.
Bolivia, Jordan, Malaysia, Venezuela, Iran and Turkey have also expressed their support for the case…..”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 10 2024 21:52 utc | 65

Is there a list of nations supporting SA IJC case? I did hear 57 but I’m only reading individual nations saying they support it. Not sure if support means they just announce this or actually signing on to be co petitioner

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 10 2024 21:56 utc | 66

reply to 58
It sounds plausible but it means that CIA would risk wrecking Egypt and bringing radicals to power who would insist on moving the nation into war with Israel as the Muslim Brotherhood was slowly doing. Of course, we’re talking about idiots who pushed Iran into Russia’s arms and pushed Russia into China’s arms.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 10 2024 21:57 utc | 67

Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 21:42 utc | 63
Better to read Escobar over a longer time frame. By far the best big picture journalist when it comes to Asia/Eurasia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 10 2024 21:58 utc | 68

RE: Posted by: Hankster | Jan 10 2024 21:44 utc | 64
Nuttyahoo’s temporary sanity words ushered like an attorney will pass soon and he’ll be back to his murderous utterances in no time. But you’re right, perhaps his attorney got his attention for a moment.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 22:01 utc | 69

golddigger | Jan 10 2024 20:59 utc | 60–
As I noted when Ansarallah first began its shipping interdiction operation, all the needs to be done is to send wave after wave of drones against any warship to deplete its defenses then send in the killer attack. Red Sea deployed vessels would likely head for Qatar since that would take them away from harm while steaming to Suez would keep it in range most of the way. Once upon a time, the USN deployed Task Forces consisting of numerous screening vessels to defeat air attacks. Now USN deploys only a few vessels together or just sends one solo whereby there’s no mutual support. If you have 5 DDGs together facing a drone assault, they collectively use less ammo to defeat it than just one solo. Those close defense gattling guns fire a massive number of rounds very quickly, making it easy to deplete your stores rapidly. And once that ammo’s gone, all that remains are M-16s and sidearms.
The naval strategy of closing off choke points along sea lanes needs to be rethought when the land portion of the choke point is held by OpForces given their new abilities as the ships become easy targets, not deterrents.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 10 2024 22:07 utc | 70

Hankster | Jan 10 2024 21:56 utc | 66–
Here’s the list produced by Escobar:
“South Africa is supported by Jordan, Bolivia, Turkiye, Malaysia, and significantly the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), which combines the lands of Islam, and constitutes 57 member states, 48 of these harboring a Muslim majority. It’s as if these nations were representing the overwhelming majority of the Global South.”

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 10 2024 22:10 utc | 71

RE: Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 20:09 utc | 47
Or perhaps now is when the revenge of the last 30 years of those tactics come home to roost and from here on out.
Jeremy Corban taking a seat on the South African “team” in the Courtroom. There’s a guy whose life and political life was destroyed by the Zios.
More payback in deep dark corners coming. You see it all over the place. Roosters are coming home to Zios.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 22:20 utc | 72

“Blinken in particular strikes me as a man always on the verge of tears…. I don’t say this in sympathy, but rather because I hope he’s suffering.”
Honzo | Jan 10 2024 19:37 utc | 39
Very doubtful. First, Blinken’s “ethnic” upbringing presupposes for him to look “doleful and oppressed.” Also, there is a rather rude yet deserved expression illustrated by Blinken’s demeanor, “a jew cries in pain with striking you with a knife.”

Posted by: Cerena | Jan 10 2024 22:20 utc | 73

Hankster | Jan 10 2024 21:56 utc | 66–
The UNGA vote for ceasefire was 153 in favor as I recall, so one could say that many side with South Africa. IMO, those in favor constitute a majority of nations.
As for evidence of self-incrimination by the Zionists, there’re massive amounts in video and written form going back to 1948 and beyond. Recent opinion polling also provides evidence that the vast majority of Zionists are all guilty of supporting Genocide along with the US Government and several other NATO members.
Escobar’s 100% correct to say this trial and those to follow will sink the “rules-based order” as it will make China’s Global Security Initiative very popular, and it’s essentially a rephrasing of the UN Charter. All of China’s major Global Initiatives proposed over the last two years are available at my substack.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 10 2024 22:21 utc | 74

RE Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 10 2024 21:58 utc | 68
I agree and have utmost respect for Pepe professionally and as a human. He’s exceptionally knowledgeable and I appreciate his work.
I’m just not as enthusiastic about his “multipolar” vision of the world, nor do I see it manifesting any time soon.
I’m simply not about “global order” or “globalism” in any form.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 22:30 utc | 75

“Gaza is not now nor has it ever been even remotely comparable to a Nazi concentration camp.”
Posted by: genocidal | Jan 10 2024 20:25 utc | 53
Correct. German camps were much more humane (with hospitals and functioning symphony orchestras) than the Gaza project, and Germans were much nobler and considered people as compared to the low-grade mongrels like Milejkowsky (bibi) and a crowd of similar genocidal Israelis/Israel-firsters.
You are projecting. The IDF thugs have been shooting the Palestinian children and women for fun. Spielberg (a member of the Mossad-connected Mega group that financed Jeff Epstein) was profitably projecting in his holo-biz movies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Orchestra_of_Auschwitz
https://veteranstoday.com/2021/12/30/mega-group-maxwells-and-mossad-the-spy-story-at-the-heart-of-the-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/
https://www.exposetheenemy.com/mega-group

Posted by: Cerena | Jan 10 2024 22:45 utc | 76

Why hasn’t the entire PLA administration & “President” been forcibly removed or targeted by Hamas?
It’s a mystery to me.
https://tass.com/world/1730679
“He added that the direct distribution of **humanitarian aid in Gaza is handled by staff of the ***Palestinian Ministry of Social Development.
Medicine and medical supplies are distributed based on a different system: most of the medicine delivered to Gaza – **about 60% – is given to the enclave’s Health Ministry, just over 20% directly to local public hospitals and private clinics, and the rest is distributed by UNRWA.”
So PLA is taking over 40% of the Gaza medical aid for themselves & Israeli West Bank Clinics.
It’s honestly a mystery how Abbas is still walking around.
He’s always been nothing but a thief & grifter. He sickens me as much as Nuttyahoo, and that’s saying a lot.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 22:48 utc | 77

someone needs to “lend” a real anti ship missile to the Hoothies.
===============
Make Israel Gaza Again

Posted by: MIGA | Jan 10 2024 22:50 utc | 78

TASS is reporting it’ll be a few weeks after hearing that ICJ delivers even its “interim verdict”.
https://tass.com/world/1730837
“The court is expected to deliver its interim ruling against Israel in the next few weeks”.
THE HAGUE, January 11. /TASS/. The International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague will start hearings on a genocide case brought by South Africa against Israel.
Why rush? It’s only a genocide hearing.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 22:57 utc | 79

Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 22:30 utc | 75
the multi-polar world it is obvious will be a very complex world rather than a simplistic utopia. For this we just have to look at the Russia Turkey relationship. On opposite sides in a number of conflicts yet they have good diplomatic and trade relations. We look at China bringing peace between Saudi Arabia and Iran thus ending the war on Yemen.
I look at this in the eyes of history. WWII and the advent of nuclear weapons were a historical game changer as to how states and great powers relate to each other. It should have been the end of the era of empires which encompasses all of written history, yet the Anglo world tried to continue empire in a different way – the hegemonic empire. I see the multi-polar world as bringing that to an end as well. It wont be pretty and completely peaceful but if we look at the many millions attacked and killed by the US empire since the end of WWII, death and destruction will greatly decrease.
There will always be various conflicts but as we are seeing, many states can negotiated diplomatically to wind conflicts down.
I want to see a world without cold war boundaries. At the same time I recognize there will always be areas of regional or civil conflict where it may not be safe to travel until the conflict is resolved.
I did not start to travel until late in life when I was nearly to ill to travel. I wish I could have traveled a lot more. Not to see tourist spots and photograph sights but just to travel amongst various peoples and gain an understanding of their cultures. For me it was not about traveling through the west and cultures similar or the same as my own, rather those whose cultures were completely different. Always much to learn.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 10 2024 23:00 utc | 80

golddigger | Jan 10 2024 20:59 utc | 60–
As I noted when Ansarallah first began its shipping interdiction operation, all the needs to be done is to send wave after wave of drones against any warship to deplete its defenses then send in the killer attack. Red Sea deployed vessels would likely head for Qatar since that would take them away from harm while steaming to Suez would keep it in range most of the way. Once upon a time, the USN deployed Task Forces consisting of numerous screening vessels to defeat air attacks. Now USN deploys only a few vessels together or just sends one solo whereby there’s no mutual support. If you have 5 DDGs together facing a drone assault, they collectively use less ammo to defeat it than just one solo. Those close defense Gatling guns fire a massive number of rounds very quickly, making it easy to deplete your stores rapidly. And once that ammo’s gone, all that remains are M-16s and sidearms.
The naval strategy of closing off choke points along sea lanes needs to be rethought when the land portion of the choke point is held by OpForces given their new abilities as the ships become easy targets, not deterrents.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 10 2024 22:07 utc | 70
Excellent analysis, thanks

Posted by: canuck | Jan 10 2024 23:13 utc | 81

UNSC passes resolution against Houthi “attacks” issuing a desist order basically.
11 Favor 4 Abstains.
The rules based order matches on. Can’t get a desist order against genocidal bombings, but manages to pass a desist order on a Nation that lobs a few rockets & kills no one.
4 abstains.
Pathetic “multipolar” winds ahead.
Anything to not hurt “business”.
Hopefully Houthis will ignore the resolution as does every other nation ignore the UNSC these days.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 23:14 utc | 82

RE Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 10 2024 21:58 utc | 68
I agree and have utmost respect for Pepe professionally and as a human. He’s exceptionally knowledgeable and I appreciate his work.
I’m just not as enthusiastic about his “multipolar” vision of the world, nor do I see it manifesting any time soon.
I’m simply not about “global order” or “globalism” in any form.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 22:30 utc | 75
I think bi-polarism ie BRICS against the West and ROW being fought over to join one side or the other-is a superior nomenclature.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 10 2024 23:16 utc | 83

Posted by: genocidal | Jan 10 2024 20:25 utc | 53
According to Machiavelli – Minds are of three kinds: one is capable of thinking for itself; another is able to understand the thinking of others; and a third can neither think for itself nor understand the thinking of others. The first is of the highest excellence, the second is excellent, and the third is worthless.
How do you feel being relegated to the back of the bus?

Posted by: Menz | Jan 10 2024 23:24 utc | 84

Ramy Abdu| رامي عبده
@RamAbdu
Breaking: Moment of the Israeli occupation shelling at the entrance of Shuhada Al-Aqsa Hospital, resulting in the death of dozens, including the journalist Ahmed Badir.
https://twitter.com/RamAbdu/status/1745085711730999692

Posted by: Menz | Jan 10 2024 23:26 utc | 85

Genocidal @ 7, Ed @ 27:

“… The details about how, or with what weapons the Jews would use to resist is not important. The question is, does a captured people, contained in a concentration camp, or otherwise confined to a reservation by armed forces, have a right to use extreme violence to secure their freedoms? And, are the Nazis justified if they genocide the Jews for trying to escape?”

This is not a purely hypothetical situation … something like this actually did happen, in the famous Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of 1943.
It is significant that among the reasons for the revolt of Jewish resistance fighters in the ghetto included:
– the knowledge that all Jewish inhabitants in the ghetto were to be shipped out to the Treblinka death camp for extermination
– the revolt was a protest against the outside world’s indifference to the inmates’ suffering
– the inmates knew they faced horrible deaths but at least they could choose how to die, whether to die by resisting and fighting their oppressors or allowing their oppressors to choose how they would die.
Part of the revolt against the Nazis included executing people (that is, Jewish people) who collaborated with the Nazis in organising groups of people to be transported to Treblinka:

‘… The [Jewish Military Union] and [Jewish Combat Organization], built dozens of fighting posts and executed a number of Nazi collaborators, including Jewish Ghetto Police officers, members of the fake (German-sponsored and controlled) resistance organization Żagiew, as well as Gestapo and Abwehr agents (including the alleged agent and Judenrat associate Alfred Nossig, executed on 22 February 1943) … The ŻOB established a prison to hold and execute traitors and collaborators. Józef Szeryński, former head of the Jewish Ghetto Police, committed suicide …”

Of course, Genocidal would say the Jewish resistance in the Warsaw ghetto were justified in doing what they did, but the troll will see no parallels and similarities with the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and the active Hamas resistance that started on 7 October 2023.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jan 10 2024 23:27 utc | 86

War on Gaza: Israel cages Palestinian towns in West Bank with iron gates
By Fayha Shalash in Ramallah, occupied Palestine
Published date: 10 January 2024 14:49 GMT | Last update: 8 hours 36 mins ago
“The gate is closed.” This phrase is repeated several times a day among Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, describing their lives under the ongoing Israeli closure of their towns and villages.
Israel has been increasingly installing iron gates at the entrances to Palestinian villages and towns in the West Bank to prevent the movement of residents.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-israel-cages-palestinian-towns-west-bank-iron-gates

Posted by: Menz | Jan 10 2024 23:29 utc | 87

Ten Israeli Troops Killed In Gaza Blast, Clashes
Six troops were killed in a blast and four others died during intense clashes in the Gaza Strip, the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) announced.
The IDF said on January 9 that the six reservists, all combat engineers, were killed when explosives intended for demolishing a tunnel detonated during activity in central Gaza’s al-Bureij refugee camp. The blast took place near an alleged rocket manufacturing plant of the Hamas Movement on January 8.
The slain troops were named as Sergeant First Class Gavriel Bloom; Master Sergeant Amit Moshe Shahar; Captain Denis Krokhmalov Veksler; Captain Ron Efrimi; Master Sergeant Roi Avraham Maimon and Sergeant Major Akiva Yasinskiy.
Several others were injured in the blast. Some of whom are reportedly in a life-threatening condition, including Idan Amedi, a popular Israeli singer and actor.
The IDF also announced on January 9 that two reservists, Sergeant First Class David Schwartz and Sergeant First Class Yakir Hexter,were killed in a rocket-propelled grenade attack, in the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis. The two combat engineers were a part of a paratrooper force. Another soldier was seriously wounded in the same attack.
https://southfront.press/ten-israeli-troops-killed-in-gaza-blast-clashes-videos/

Posted by: Menz | Jan 10 2024 23:34 utc | 88

RE: Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 10 2024 23:00 utc | 80
I too would like to see an era of peace and prosperity, even a glimpse before I pass on would be nice.
The combination of nation states to remove the current hedgemon and obvious death cult current Masters of the Universe, I’m all on board with, by whatever means needed.
As for the shaping or “reshaping”, as I stated, I’ve no interest in “China’s Global Initiative” or any other “Global Plan”. The world has had enough of that nonsense.
The Nation states that are not “all powerful” need breathing room to assess what “order” they’d like to see transpire.
It’s tiring for humanity to be tossed endlessly from one power player Master of the Universe into another. One Empire to the next with no say. I’ve no interest in power players like China and Russia want for the next “global order”.
Travel and seeing all humanity as brothers the road we’re on. And it’s actually the pushback against global order is what is manifesting the human cohesion. Eventually humanity will see itself for the sovereign citizens we are and quit playing these nationalist games.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 23:35 utc | 89

Can ethnic cleansing be justified ? Can genocide be justified ? YES, According to Nazis, Neo Nazis, HAMAS and many at the MOA website, as long as it is is done to Israel and the Jews residing there.
Posted by: genocidal | Jan 10 2024 17:33 utc | 7
There we go playing the eternal victim again …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 10 2024 23:36 utc | 90

Posted by: Exile | Jan 10 2024 20:14 utc | 49 – Exactly
malenkov: Following comment – It’s all about the Benjamins.
Trubind1: Further down – One can always hope, but my cynical outlook is borne of years of having hopes crushed by the Borg/Machine/Blob/GloboCap.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 23:40 utc | 91

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 10 2024 20:15 utc | 50
Sorry was writing from memory in the previous reply. Yes, I see your point. There is surely “compromising material” on file for at least a few of the judges. And prosecutors. And defense.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 23:42 utc | 92

RE: Posted by: Menz | Jan 10 2024 23:29 utc | 87
How convenient of Abbas to be with Egypt & Jordan collecting his paychecks as bars are being thrown up.
One way I suppose to prevent the PLA from being bum rushed by West Bank Palestinian “extremists”. Abbas and PLA must have their own tunnels straight to Israeli safe room head quarters.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 23:46 utc | 93

Hamas has NEVER called for the eradication of ALL Jews throughout the world. They merely called for the expulsion of the occupying colonialists who stole the Palestinians’ territory and continue to steal it. Then, they even took that out of their “charter.” The only party to this conflict calling for and openly carrying out genocide is Zionist Israel.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 10 2024 23:54 utc | 94

Everyone can add their own submission to the IJC here. Compile video photos statements and add your own commentary to the submission
https://www.justiceforall.org/icc-submissions/

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 10 2024 23:54 utc | 95

Someone mentioned that the “Houthi” movement are about the only party actively enforcing article I of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide:

Approved and proposed for signature and ratification or accession by
General Assembly resolution 260 A (III) of 9 December 1948
Entry into force: 12 January 1951, in accordance with article XIII
The Contracting Parties ,
Having considered the declaration made by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its resolution 96 (I) dated 11 December 1946 that genocide is a crime under international law, contrary to the spirit and aims of the United Nations and condemned by the civilized world, Recognizing that at all periods of history genocide has inflicted great losses on humanity, and Being convinced that, in order to liberate mankind from such an odious scourge, international co-operation is required,
Hereby agree as hereinafter provided :
Article I
The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in
time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to
punish.

Article II

Seems pretty cut and dried to me. What Ansarullah is doing is perfectly legal under so called ‘international law’.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 10 2024 23:55 utc | 96

Excellent comprehensive interview with spokesman for Iraqi Hezbollah:
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/to-stand-with-lebanon-if-israelis-attack–iraqi-hezbollah-br

Posted by: Patrick al-Henrygahz | Jan 10 2024 23:59 utc | 97

As usual, Russia “passes” but “regrets”…
Blah blah blah…unfortunately, his ME allies are unimpressed.
https://tass.com/russia/1730841
We would like to stress once again that this resolution cannot be viewed as legitimizing actions in the Red Sea by the so-called coalition made up of the United States and its satellites,” he said.
According to Nebenzya, the United States and its allies “cobbled together the so-called international coalition primarily consisting of US ships that should allegedly ensure security, while, in effect, the legitimacy of its actions raises some very serious questions in terms of international law.”
“We regret that, ****despite insistent demands by quite a number of delegations, ****including Arab representatives, the document has no mention of the deplorable situation in the Gaza Strip as the ***genuine primary reason behind the instability in the Red Sea,” the Russian envoy said.
As many as 11 UNSC members voted for the measure, while four countries, namely, Russia, China, Algeria and Mozambique, abstained.
Oh well Arab Nations… you’ve been told to go pound sand… “regrettably”…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 11 2024 0:04 utc | 98

The propagandists at France24 news complain that HAMAS fighters are sitting safe in their tunnels while ordinary Palestinians in Gaza freeze outside in the cold.
These same hasbaranim bastards would claim bombing of civilians, should they take shelter in HAMAS tunnels, is justified since the tunnels are “military infrastructure”.
It’s amazing how the Europeans will always find a justification for mass murder under any conditions where the Jewish Zionists are involved.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 0:17 utc | 99

Trubind1 | Jan 10 2024 23:35 utc | 89
Nations have always traded. Even hunter gatherer groups/tribes nations had trade and at times long trade routs. with the technology of communications and travel, that is now global. Nations on both sides of the trade proffit/increase their prosperity from that trade. In looking at todays world, there are nations with low population density but a wealth of natural resources and there are nations with high population densities and low per capita resources. Nations with large populations and large domestic market can produce manufactured goods at much lower rates than nations with low population densities so there will always be win win trade between the low population states with resources and the high population states with manufacturing power.
Apart from simply resources and population densities there is also the fact that some geologies have certain resourses and others dont. go back to the stone age and in places the main resource traded was g ood quality stone for tool making no matter it be aboriginal Australia or stone age Europe and the flint mines.
Global trade is the norm, not and empire building exercise and China throughout its history has been the pre-eminent trading nation. Goodsw were traded between China and Rome and many other places. The silk roads run down to even northern Australia long before Europeans sighted the place.
Back I think around the fourteen hundreds, China built a fleet of the largest wooden ships ever built, not for war and conquest but for a trading expedition.
There is nothing malign about China’s belt and road initiative, only the realization that trade brings prosperity to all.
As for the west offshoring its manufacturing to China and other places, we must look to our own governments and oligarchs as the culprits, not China. Australia has a trade surplus of around fifty billion in our trade with China. Some of that should be turned back into subsidizing some local manufacturing, but instead, as with car manufacturing, existing subsidies are being removed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 11 2024 0:19 utc | 100