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January 4, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-002

Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

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Turk 152 | Jan 4 2024 22:24 utc | 95–
Paul Volker’s decision to destroy the economy in 1979 in order to also destroy stagflation. He was a Christian making sure that debts would not be forgiven.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 4 2024 23:56 utc | 101

The Guys healed in Israel’s hospitals during Syrian Civil War” Claims Responsibility For Deadly Iran Bombings.
FIFY 🙂
ISIS : Israel’s unofficial false flag provider since 2011.
Posted by: Savonarole | Jan 4 2024 18:22 utc
Needed to be repeated in case anyone missed it.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 4 2024 23:57 utc | 102

DuchessAndBob 23:57
I had totally forgotten that. LOL. ISISreal still taking them in?
https://web.archive.org/web/20151029043413/http://www.presstv.ir:80/detail/2014/12/01/388372/israel-hospitals-treat-syria-militants

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2024 0:00 utc | 103

Name one dastardly deed in the past 50 years of Western Civilization, that did not have a Jewish hand in the middle of it.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Jan 4 2024 22:24 utc | 95
The Vietnam War!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 5 2024 0:17 utc | 104

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2024 0:00 utc | 108
Israel treated jihadi militants, of the sort the US was supporting in Syria, but they were not ISIS as far as I remember. They crossed over the Golan front, and there were/are no ISIS in the south of Syria.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 5 2024 0:24 utc | 105

How exactly is going to get worse, . . .
Posted by: Turk 152 | Jan 4 2024 22:17 utc | 94
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“Make it worse for myself? How could it possibly get worse? Jehovah! Jehovah! Jehovah!”
Monty Python, LIfe of Brian, Stoning Scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcsrW_3-G6w

Posted by: Jane | Jan 5 2024 0:41 utc | 106

The Vietnam War!
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 5 2024 0:17 utc | 109
Henry Kissinger via Cambodia. (That was too easy, I wonder if I am falling into a trap.)
Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 4 2024 23:56 utc | 106
Paul Volker’s decision to destroy the economy in 1979 in order to also destroy stagflation.
Interest rates are perpetually understated. A nice, coastal home with a water view in the 70s, $50 k and tuition for hundreds per semester.

Posted by: Turk 151 | Jan 5 2024 0:51 utc | 107

The solution lies here in the US.
@ defanger | Jan 4 2024 13:37 utc | 9
Yes but not how you imagine it. The solution lies in the total destruction of the US State.
Very similar to what happened in Iraq in 2003.
The defeat of the Military.
The toppling of the US Government.
The suspension of the US Constitution, Habeous Corpus, and all US Courts
The implementation of a Military Junta with Supreme Authority under UN Jurisdiction for at a decade
The implementation of a State of Emergency under Martial Law
The disbanding of the entire Government, All Institutions, and the termination of all Govt staff.
The disbanding of all Political Parties, the entire Military establishment from the DoD, the 13 x Intel agencies, DHS and so on.
Most likely followed a massive civilian armed insurrection to put be violently put down with massive Military power by the Occupying Forces, using extreme prejudice until these violent insane psychopathic / brain dead ignorant obnoxious narcissistic deranged Americans Citizens are completely subdued and KIA.
ONLY then maybe some sanity can return to this world.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 5 2024 0:55 utc | 108

KusaMahshi
@SidiShaban
Look how Western women treat Palestinian men in interviews. Listen to this and tell me that this is an acceptable behavior from a journalist. She clearly attempted to dehumanize Barghouti and use anti Arab men tropes to shut down the conversation.
https://twitter.com/SidiShaban/status/1743063889049223319

Posted by: Menz | Jan 5 2024 0:55 utc | 109

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 4 2024 20:52 utc | 80 (NYT-featured family refutes Hamas rape claim)
Nearly every claim of atrocity has been proven false, usually with the slightest scratching of the surface of whatever the particular story is. Contrast that Mondoweiss piece from Scheerpost to, say CNN, and you’ll get whiplash. After a few weeks of giving a surprising amount of coverage to the suffering of the people of Gaza, the institutional gatekeepers are doubling down on the Israeli lies. That’s what I’m sensing at the moment. Curious to hear if other barflies agree. If true, it may mean we have them on the run. More likely though, they are coming under tremendous pressure from the usual suspects to repeat the lies.

Posted by: KMRIA | Jan 5 2024 1:17 utc | 110

Henry Kissinger via Cambodia. (That was too easy, I wonder if I am falling into a trap.)
Posted by: Turk 151 | Jan 5 2024 0:51 utc | 112
Darnit. Ok, I give up. I hope you realise being right is anti-semitic.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 5 2024 1:23 utc | 111

I suspect one of the reasons for the US military presence in eastern Syria, besides stealing the oil, is to protect ISIS from the Syrian army so Isis can be used for operations such as the recent bombing in Iran.
Posted by: Chas | Jan 4 2024 23:50 utc
Seems likely.

Posted by: spudski | Jan 5 2024 1:42 utc | 112

Eric Prince says Hezbolah has pre-positioned soldiers in NYC, Miami, LA and Chicago at a minimum. He would know. China has been sending soldiers here by the tens of thousands and have personnel previously here in the hundreds of thousands. That along with the fact that Iran, China and Russia are all allied now seemingly with the entire Middle East. Against Israel and the US.
Given Israel’s audacious terrorist strikes against Russia, Beirut and Iran in the last few days, All calculated to provoke a response and draw the United States into total war, Israel’s and Zelensky’s (Jews all) desperation is apparent and is a result of the fact that Hamas and Hezbollah and Russia are defeating them.
The other parties haven’t taken Israel’s bait yet. The only question is whether the US is sufficiently controlled by the Zionists to be compelled to enter the fray.
If that happens fully expect all of those internal sleeper cells to be activated in the US major cities and against infrastructure, while the US simultaneously attempts to fight a three front war against Russia, China and the entire Middle East.
Externally the US military would be annihilated. Internally there would be a blood bath of the invaders by the legacy
Americans.
Read history, it only took 400 white men on horseback to conquer tens of millions of Incas, same with the Aztecs, same with the Mayans and same with every Indian tribe in North America. What do you think ten million White American Men will do with 400 million rifles and trillions of rounds? You think flooding the US with 30 million Aztecs, Incas and Mayans along with a few hundred thousand Chinese will do the job? Great replacement? Good luck.
Then the US will have to withdraw within itself and would no longer be capable of projecting genocide against other nations at the behest of the Zionist to exploit their resources. US will essentially be reduced to minding its own borders, producing its own goods and becoming internally and economically self sufficient. Just like Russia is now. I like it.

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 5 2024 1:47 utc | 113

I suspect one of the reasons for the US military presence in eastern Syria, besides stealing the oil, is to protect ISIS from the Syrian army so Isis can be used for operations such as the recent bombing in Iran.
Posted by: Chas | Jan 4 2024 23:50 utc
Seems likely.
Posted by: spudski | Jan 5 2024 1:42 utc | 117

There are hardly any Isis left in Syria, so it’s not likely. They’re more in Iraq. Nor am I impressed with the idea they did the bombing in Kerman, despite the so-called claim. It was a typical Israeli “double tap”.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 5 2024 2:14 utc | 114

Posted by: Turk 152 | Jan 4 2024 22:17 utc | 94
It was a hellfire missile fired from a drone. He also spied on and charged and imprisoned Assange.
In any case, come on. Kushner? Moving the embassy to Jerusalem? Sheldon Adelson was the real “Russia” in “Russia”gate which should have been called “Israelgate” except for the fact that Israel usually holds sway over who can get elected. Moving the embassy was an incredibly controversial and inflammatory thing to do, and it led up to the confrontations at the mosques, etc.
No the killing wouldn’t be any more with Trump, but it wouldn’t be any less. The only thing I agree on is Ukraine. Trump likely would have been fine with some sort of provocation via Taiwan though.
Now, the usual response from die-hard Trump fans is the he wasn’t actually directly responsible for any of it, and that isn’t true either. Even Soleimani and Assange. In both cases he was asked to choose options and in each he chose the most extreme. No better than Killary or Biden.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2024 2:15 utc | 115

Someone is using a few different handles. Of course, they’re all in on Israel pushing out the Palestinians. Hmmm. Trying to give the Jews a worse name than they already have. Take a break asshole.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jan 5 2024 2:26 utc | 116

Israel defender Alan Dershowitz named in Epstein court docs:
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/israel-defender-alan-dershowitz-named-in-epstein-court-docs/
Dershowitz, the former Harvard law professor who is being considered to defend Israel against genocide charges being brought by South Africa at the International Court of Justice (ICJ). Dershowitz has also promoted unsubstantiated claims that Hamas committed mass rapes against Israelis on 7 October during the Al-Aqsa Flood attack.
Posted by: Vortex | Jan 4 2024 21:01 utc | 82
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Dershoshit is the scum of the world.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 5 2024 2:26 utc | 117

Series 2023 Before The War – Israel
Duration: 30 minutes 19 seconds30m
Before the war, 2023 had been the deadliest year for Jews and Palestinians in the occupied West Bank in 15 years. This program looks at the rising tensions between the two before the brutal terror attack by Hamas. (Final)
https://iview.abc.net.au/show/foreign-correspondent/series/2023/video/NC2310H024S00
or
https://tv.apple.com/au/episode/before-the-war-israel/umc.cmc.6vrfe79vgj1yx5a294d93syep
Reasonably sympathetic report by Australian doco producers on West Bank Palestinians 3 months ago just before the Oct attack

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 5 2024 2:30 utc | 118

Henry Kissinger via Cambodia. (That was too easy, I wonder if I am falling into a trap.)
Posted by: Turk 151 | Jan 5 2024 0:51 utc | 112
Darnit. Ok, I give up. I hope you realise being right is anti-semitic.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 5 2024 1:23 utc | 116
From what I’ve heard, LBJ’s mom was Jewish… which would make LBJ…. Ethiopian?

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 5 2024 2:44 utc | 119

“What do you think ten million White American Men will do with 400 million rifles and trillions of rounds?”
I only say ten million because only about three percent of men can and will actually fight. In the US has been at constant guerrilla/insurgency warfare for the last 23 years against the best Islamic guerrilla fighters in the world. How many of those ten million American men do you think are experienced guerrilla/insurgency warriors?
How many of those 30 million illegal aliens would actually fight? Ten thousand? As for the Chinese. Can anyone remember the last time the Chinese won a kinetic infantry war?
The traitors who are engineering this invasion to overthrow the USA and replace the populace with more compliant 70 IQ third world denizens might want to reconsider. Because once the invaders are slaughtered, who do you think is next?

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 5 2024 2:48 utc | 120

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2024 0:00 utc | 108
Israel treated jihadi militants, of the sort the US was supporting in Syria, but they were not ISIS as far as I remember. They crossed over the Golan front, and there were/are no ISIS in the south of Syria.
Posted by: laguerre | Jan 5 2024 0:24 utc | 110
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In Iraq “ISIS” was used by the Bush / Chaney administration and the UK, to promote war between the Sunnis and the Shia’s. Later, under the Obama / Biden Administration select ISIS and Al-Qaeda members were renamed “Moderate Rebels” to wage war against Syria’s Bashar al-Assad while pretending to be fighting ISIS. These “ISIS” and Al-Qaeda members were trained and armed by General Lloyd Austin: You can’t make this shit up!

Posted by: Ed | Jan 5 2024 2:48 utc | 121

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 5 2024 2:48 utc | 125
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You really are a racist pig.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 5 2024 2:53 utc | 122

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 5 2024 1:47 utc | 118
LMAO @ talk about Incas, Maya and Aztec. For one thing those men on horseback killed most of them with disease, about 500 years ago.
Regarding who is masterminding the mass migration to the USA’s southern border, take it up with every Democrat and Republican presidential administration and every Democrat and Republican Senator or Representative inclusive of Trump and any of his acolytes in the legislature.
You don’t want them coming in droves, then stop inflicting neoliberal economic policies on them and Monroe Doctrine regime change policies and allow a socialist government or 3 the opportunity to exist unmolested in Latin America and watch those “waves” of migrant caravans dry to a trickle. End the brutal economic sanctions, end the embargo of Cuba, stop shipping imprisoned newly minted MS-13 gang members – fully created in the US of A – back there.
Not three years ago the number of Venezuelans coming was near zero. Now they are the most prevalent during a time of massive border encounters. Why do you think that is? The socialist government that has been in place through two successive presidents since before 2000, or the sanctions and sabotage that began in earnest under Bush I, and which were doubled and then tripled down on during Trump’s administration, on purpose, when the Venezuelans’ not so bright full dependence on oil revenues happened to already be biting them in the ass (with a lot of help from the USA and Saudis)?
Hell, pretty much everything you’re talking about is “blowback” – had the USA not kicked a hornets nest or stuck his nose somewhere it didn’t belong in search of a few bucks, none of it would even be happening.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2024 3:05 utc | 123

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 5 2024 2:48 utc | 125
The traitors who are engineering this invasion to overthrow the USA and replace the populace with more compliant 70 IQ third world denizens might want to reconsider.
Is that right?
I’ll quote a MOA poster:
And a quote from one news report: “In October of 2013 a new global report issued by the OECD found that Americans ranked well below the worldwide average in just about every measure of skill. In math, reading, and technology-driven problem-solving , the United States performed worse than nearly every other country… The US would have looked even worse if China had been included in this study. In basic literacy – the ability to understand and use basic written text – 80% of Americans reached only a level 2 out of 5. And in math and numerical proficiency, using numbers in daily life, they are worse … and 10% scored below level 1. Technological literacy and ability were worse too. In problem-solving in a technological environment and the use of “cognitive skills required to solve problems”, the Americans were at the bottom.” And that bottom is in math, vocabulary, language usage and technology, with Chinese students far surpassing the Americans even when using a language that is not their own.
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Sep 4 2023 17:57 utc | 26
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/09/how-sanctioning-chinas-development-has-failed.html#more

Posted by: Menz | Jan 5 2024 3:16 utc | 124

RLTW and his merry band of chickenshit Nazis would last about 5 minutes in the end of civilization scenario he jacks off to.

Posted by: Dumb Cracker | Jan 5 2024 3:20 utc | 125

You can’t make this shit up!
Posted by: Ed | Jan 5 2024 2:48 utc | 126
But you did, unfortunately.
BTW, I do know what I’m talking about. I was once nearly captured by Da’ish/ISIS in Iraq, as long-term barflies may remember.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 5 2024 3:50 utc | 126

I’m not racist. I did missions all over Central and South America in the 90s during the “war against drugs.” El Salvador was the most dangerous though, even for an SFODA.
I hated Hispanics so damn much that I married a Hispanic woman.
But then I graduated to the “war on terror” which I fought in for the last two decades.
But I was so happy when Nayib Bukele became President of El Salvador and turned it from the most dangerous country into the safest country in the world. What a great man and leader!
But oh crap! Bukele is a Palestinian! I’m not allowed to like Bukele because the Jews don’t like Palestinians. Oh my! Will me and my children be put on a list by the Jews and never be allowed to get a job or go to college?
I’m so confused my little Zionist tools. Am I a racist because I married a Latina immigrant or because my children are Hispanic. Or because I traveled to Afghanistan and Iraq to slaughter Muslims at the behest of Israel. Or is it the fact that I acknowledge Bukele as currently being the greatest leader in the Western Hemisphere, with Putin being the greatest in the East.
Keep throwing your little tantrums Zionist trolls. It will change nothing. The world sees through you now.

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 5 2024 3:55 utc | 127

“There is in America no steady sentiment about foreign policy; but there is a great deal of contempt. This is a dangerous attitude, because it renders American policy highly undependable…
“…(America’s) instinctive sentiment is to be isolationist, not in the sense of leaving other people alone, but in that of refusing to accept the commitments that logically follow upon interference.”
In such wise words did GDH Cole sum up the problem in 1947. Things haven’t changed much

Posted by: bevin | Jan 5 2024 3:57 utc | 128

Posted by: Menz | Jan 5 2024 3:16 utc | 129
To say nothing of the particular demographic of Americans who join the military and go overseas to fight unsuccessful urban insurgent wars. Ain’t exactly the best and the brightest, if ya know what I’m sayin’. Army and Marines crootin’ has been suffering for years and they’re taking pretty much anyone.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2024 3:57 utc | 129

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 5 2024 3:55 utc | 132
Aha! So you made your living causing the conditions that make so many Latin Americans try to get into our southern border! Like they say, “Blowback is a bitch!” – ¿Hablas español? Es posible para tu esposa pueda enseñarte. It’ll come in handy once the “blood of our nation is no longer pure.”
P.S. You actually think you’re talking to Zionists here? Jesus, man. When’s the last time you compared your own IQ to these aboriginals you hate so much?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2024 4:01 utc | 130

The Cradle has the posting up linked below
Drone strike on Iraq’s interior ministry complex kills top PMU commander
the quote

Iraqi authorities announced that the Ministerial Council for National Security would convene on Thursday under the chairmanship of Prime Minister Mohammed Shia al-Sudani to discuss the latest violation of Iraq’s sovereignty.
“In a blatant assault and violation of Iraq’s sovereignty and security, a drone carried out an act no different from terrorist acts by targeting a security headquarters in Baghdad,” the spokesman for the Commander-in-Chief of the Iraqi armed forces said in a statement.
“The Iraqi Armed Forces hold the [US-led] International Coalition Forces responsible for this unprovoked attack on an Iraqi security body operating under the powers granted to it by the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, which undermines all understandings between the Iraqi Armed Forces and the International Coalition Forces,” the statement adds, calling the drone strike “a dangerous escalation and assault on Iraq.”

Iraq voted to expel the “2500” US troops in 2020 but they are still there and now under more attack so this is their response….escalation, I think it is called.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 5 2024 4:31 utc | 131

I hope this isn’t too tangential, but simply can’t understand how the most wealthiest university in the world didn’t not better prepare their president for what obviously was an apriori plan to destroy her career through the venue and mechanism of the congressional hearings. Rather it seems that even before the hearings Gay was exceedingly poorly advised, perhaps even intentionally so by her team as part of the ongoing nationwide anti-Palestinian propaganda, that is itself but a cog in the greater mechanism of the ongoing fascistification of US politics as a whole.
I’m assuming President Gay did indeed want to keep her job, but was rather naive and effectively abandoned by her team (something approaching gross negligence). A more accurate assessment would focus on what her team, assessors counselled her to do shortly after Oct 7 when pro-Palestinian protests defending Hamas and chanting intifada started appearing. Gay and her assessors immediately should have assumed that pro-Palestinian groups at Harvard, qua Harvard, were already infiltrated by state security agency assets and potentially agents provocateurs. As such the Palestinian action groups should have sotto voce been assessed as suspect on multiple levels and fronts and the pro-Israel groups as seeking advantage and likewise potentially operating with a degree of mauvaise foi.
In such a scenario, the sensible thing to have done in the immediate and short term is to have been as condescending (cooperative) and indulgent with the pro-Israeli groups, including raising the Israeli flag on campus for a day or two. Control and restriction of clearly pro-Hamas discourse should have been implemented whenever legally defensible. Basically, it seems President Gay was let down by her staff and principal assessors, after all, she’s not a philosopher queen, but an emblematic bureaucrat who depends on her principal staff and assessors to weather such storms, wherein politics, including clandestine security service involvement (foreign and domestic), is either of the essence or at the very least to be assumed and expected as a powerful instrumentalizing force (precisely because it is Harvard).
In such cases, the President should be aware of the above and either choose to prepare and fight, with a highly circumspect analytical attitude not unlike the head of a commercial corporation (wherein industrial espionage is a constant threat) or indeed of a government ministry, or, given sufficient knowledge, accept that his/her defenestration has already been determined a fait accompli by the powers that be. In any case, the really elucidative subtleties of the situation are really not being presented.

Posted by: Ludo | Jan 5 2024 4:40 utc | 132

@ Ludo | Jan 5 2024 4:40 utc | 137 with the totally OT comment
The MoA bar has an Open Thread for yours and much of the BS I am reading these days on focused threads.
It shows the level of barflies this place has attracted. People don’t have the decency to develop some context and appropriateness for their supposed contribution to the conversation….sad.
Think more and contribute less so the rest of us don’t have to skim through your blather MoA barflys.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 5 2024 4:49 utc | 133

@psychohistorian
So definitely none of this is related to Palestine: “Oct 7 when pro-Palestinian protests defending Hamas and chanting intifada started appearing…” Nor the strong likelihood that pro-Palestinian groups on college campuses are infiltrated by foreign and domestic security surfaces that may serve as agents provocateurs within such groups? Needless to say, I disagree, but unlike you, courteously.

Posted by: Ludo | Jan 5 2024 4:59 utc | 134

Hehe! Yeah I’m directly over the target!
But I got a family to take care of. So for now I’m just gonna pop smoke, move out and draw fire.
So to all the globohomo Zionist trolls who are sitting in your mama’s basement reading this, standby.
Another JDAM will drop at the time and place of my choosing.
Kind of gives you one millionth of the feeling that every humble Muslim goat herder has been living with constantly for the last 20 years.

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 5 2024 5:11 utc | 135

@ Ludo | Jan 5 2024 4:59 utc | 139 with the response.
As a MoA barfly for over a decade I am saddened by the level of discourse, including yours which you even noted was tangentially specious in the beginning.
Does your comment tell us something not obvious to most here? Not likely. Maybe you are just waking up to the God Of Mammon based world that is the financialized West, I don’t know. At the most, I thought your comment is more appropriate for the Open Thread sort of discussion.
I admit you are not the vomitoriums of textual white noise provided by Tom_Q_Collins and shaddowbanned but the noise to signal ratio in the bar has gotten a lot worse over the years and even more so lately….and I am tired of having to scroll/skim past all the BS…add value or don’t comment.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 5 2024 5:15 utc | 136

Not directly related. But indirectly?
“Residents of a South Korean island in the Yellow Sea across from North Korea were ordered to evacuate on Friday due to shelling by the North, the South’s military said.”

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 5 2024 5:17 utc | 137

AND STAY ON TOPIC or take it to the latest Open Thread.
If you don’t have the decency to learn the basic rudiments of the MoA bar then you likely don’t deserve to comment here, IMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 5 2024 5:19 utc | 138

Deserve?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 5 2024 5:21 utc | 139

Mr Psycho, everything is related to everything these days. North Korea is choosing a funny moment to resort to tactics that resemble the Yemeni tactics.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 5 2024 5:24 utc | 140

Terrorist attack in Kerman, Iran? IMO, not ISIL.
Ever heard of MEK – Mojahedin-e-Khalq?
They are/were in Albania since 2018.

Posted by: scanalyse | Jan 5 2024 5:28 utc | 141

Read history, it only took 400 white men on horseback to conquer tens of millions of Incas, same with the Aztecs, same with the Mayans and same with every Indian tribe in North America. What do you think ten million White American Men will do with 400 million rifles and trillions of rounds? You think flooding the US with 30 million Aztecs, Incas and Mayans along with a few hundred thousand Chinese will do the job? Great replacement? Good luck.
Posted by: RLTW | Jan 5 2024 1:47 utc | 118
A minor point to consider:
The other side also has rifles and rounds this time.
They are also a lot less “gender-fluid” in a fight …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 5 2024 5:46 utc | 142

@ RLTW | Jan 5 2024 1:47 utc | 118
I doubt there are “sleeper cells” of any kind of foreigners in the US who will or are capable of doing any significant actions here, especially against the powers that be. Yet your anger at the ruling establishment is real and also is shared, as you claim, by a very large swath of the US population. So the hostility of the population to the ruling elite is there, has grown and continues to grow, and does constitute a serious problem for that elite. But how exactly might this evolve into a systemic change? As usual, the devil is in the details, the various groups one generalizes about are only uncertainly united, and there are too many variables to be sure about any outcomes.
It would seem to me that the Gaza situation, by so nakedly exposes the sinews of power in the US, does validate the idea that the whole Middle East policy for decades has been primarily dictated by Zionist influence. This does not mean that the US ruling class are all Zionists, but it does mean that the non-Zionist part of the ruling class has conceded that area to the Zionists because it hitherto hasn’t cost them anything much and because of the Zionists’ “passionate attachment” to promoting the State of Israel and its interests. Furthermore, the Zionists are thoroughly entwined in the ruling class, and to stand against them would certainly disturb the ruling class’s unity and threaten the republic.
Yet, if the policy is to change, it is precisely the favoritism shown to Israel that must be removed, which would certainly seem to be a tall order. Yet here is Israel completely wrecking the foreign policy of the US worldwide by making it complicit in a genocide that may turn into a real Holocaust, leaving the US ruling class with no argument for itself before others at all. This is putting on a pressure that may cause things to break inside the ruling class. And indeed, any revolutionary change here will require a split to develop in the ruling class. Obviously, fissures already exist, but maybe not yet to the point of no return.
If such a further development does occur, however, one would have to make an accounting of what the forces are that would go against the state. I think that a lot of the US military, including its trained but retired veterans, are livid about the imperialism. When Portugal was fighting to retain its empire 1961-1974, its military became radicalized with disgust at the useless and failed imperialist wars and overthrew the Estado Novo of Salazar and Caetano. The US military as a whole would hardly do that, but a lot of the disgusted rank and file might eventually reach a point where they viewed the existing regime as the enemy rather than the focus of their loyalty. At that point, I would watch out, because things could get really messy. It is also possible that splits could develop in the CIA and FBI as well. CIA officials have often not been pleased with the US moneyed classes’ despoilation of the world.
The trouble is, the masses and the military opposition do not have any ideological resources to fall back on apart from US nationalism. Thus, there is a tendency to blame foreigners for everything that is so easily exploited by the ruling class. That is how the Zionists were able to sic the US on the Muslim world, convincing the people that evil outsiders were the problem and deflecting attention away from themselves. The puny left seems to be onto this game, but I don’t see the general public as too easy to convince about it. Maybe the opposition can portray the rulers as being traitors for favoring the foreigners. There is some of that going on on the right, but I don’t think that it gets to the crux of the real problem, which is the domination of a completely amoral, murderous, genocidal, self-interested, obviously exploitative, essentially parasitic ruling class that cannot be gotten rid of without a better understanding and, most sadly, a lot of bloodshed.

Posted by: Cabe | Jan 5 2024 5:47 utc | 143

Haaretz, State Officials Fear International Criminal Court Could Charge Israel With Genocide in Gaza, 1 Jan 2024

Haaretz has learned that a senior legal expert dealing with the matter has in recent days warned IDF brass, including Chief of Staff Herzl [“Mad Dog”] Halevi, that there is real danger that the court will issue an injunction calling on Israel to halt its fire, noting that Israel is bound by the court’s rulings.

O RLY? Pull the other one, laddie!

The military and the State Attorney’s Office have already begun preparing to deal with the [latest] complaint, and a hearing on the matter will be held at the Foreign Ministry on Monday [Jan 8].
According to international law experts

whose advice no Israeli government official consulted before ordering Israel’s Armed Forces to launch the systematic destruction of Israel freedom and Palestinian “enclaves” inhabited by unarmed Palestinian “animals”

the proceeding may cement claims authenticate facts of genocide against committed by the state of Israel, and thus lead to its diplomatic isolation and to boycott or sanctions against it or against Israeli businesses.

(5 ¶ summary of 84-page brief on legal rights, obligations, and venue selection)

Prof. Eliav Lieblich, an expert on international law at Tel Aviv University, explains that South Africa makes two [?!] central claims [sic]: that Israel isn’t acting to prevent statements [lolwut] that call for genocide and that it is committing actions that constitute genocide. These are very, very harsh [“]things[“] to Israeli ears, but their effect must not be ignored, and therefore the claims must be responded to denied seriously.”
[…]
“Israel generally doesn’t participate in such proceedings,” he noted. “But this isn’t a UN inquiry commission[, US mediated UNSC meeting,] or the International Criminal Court in the Hague, whose authority Israel rejects. It’s the International Court of Justice, which derives its powers from a treaty Israel joined the UN Charter, Ch. I-V, so it can’t reject it on the usual grounds [!] of lack of authority. It’s also a body with international prestige.
“This doesn’t mean that if it issues a ruling or an injunction, it would be immediately enforced,” Lieblich continued. “But if, heaven forbid, it determines in a ruling or even a temporary injunction that a suspicion [lolwut] exists that Israel is committing genocide, you have to think about what this would say for the historical narrative [of lolwut? Homicidal mania?]. For this reason, too, the proceeding must be taken seriously.”
[…]

dumbass

And according to Dr. Aviv Yeini, it’s not inconceivable that it would issue such an injunction against Israel, ruling that its [“cleansing”?] operations [sic] violate human rights [to soap and clear water] protected by the Genocide Convention.
“If Israel doesn’t provide a detailed response that rebuts the accusations against it of systematic murder, the court will likely do so,” she added.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 5 2024 5:51 utc | 144

Apologies if this has already been posted but John Mearsheimer’s latest email has a link to a pdf of South Africa’s ICJ statement If you are interested in the case and want to know exactly what it is about rather than what media, opinion whisperers and influencers reckon it is, click the link to grab the pdf and read it.
I’m happy Pref Mearsheimer has had no murmurings about his continued presence on substack as I’m sure some are aware are aware that a few days ago Norman Finkelstein announced he would no longer be using Substack. He really didn’t give a reason, sorta left me feeling that now he was doing lots of interviews and appearance cranking out ‘something meaningful’ a coupla times a week. I’m sure others can agree Finkelstein’s ubiquitous appearances in the media and on the ‘net have reached all over our old rock and been important in getting humans especially ‘western humans’ thinking critically what the israel project actually is, along with the immorality of israel carrying it out. The good prof needed to be able to concentrate on continuing his other work.
Somewhere between 24 and 36 hours later I stumbled across this piece in the englander guardian:

“Substack faces user revolt over anti-censorship stance on neo-Nazis
The email newsletter service Substack is facing a user revolt after its chief executive defended hosting and handling payments for “Nazis” on its platform, citing anti-censorship reasons.
In a note on the site published in December, the chief executive, Hamish McKenzie, said the firm “doesn’t like Nazis”, and wished “no one held these views”.
But he said the company did not think that censorship – by demonetising sites that publish extreme views – was a solution to the problem, and instead made it worse.
Some of the largest newsletters on the service have threatened to take their business elsewhere if Substack does not reverse its stance.”

The drivel goes on to list a couple of types I’ve never heard of before and prolly never will, who claim to have told Substack to censor nazis or they are going to take their business elsewhere.
Substack responded by saying they didn’t like nazis either but a free speech platform can only work if it remains a free speech platform blah blah.
This sort of zionist driven nonsense wouldn’t normally get anywhere near Finkelstein’s bullshit detector but considering how much time he’s had to spend responding to tosh such as “Do you condemn Hamas, professor?” along with the inevitable follow-ups from tin-eared media interviewers, I cannot help but wonder if Norm decided this was a hassle he could do without.
Now I’m sure some will regard my comments about Finkelstein & Mearsheimer as too credulous but I actually reckon that while we enjoy commentaries from a preferred commentator we are just not critical enough of that we read which they have written.
It would be better to regard every fresh post, as something to treat skeptically until were are satisfied its author has “done it again!”
However many people do not do this, instead adopting the same sorta fan – star relationship with some writers as they once had with singers & musos generally.
This is not a way forwards for obvious reasons. Humans must independently consider every statement anew lest contemporaneous events unmentioned in the post have undue effect, leaving attitudes for modern journalism identical to that which has gone before. The result of which would be ‘same bullshit, different lies’
There are a few current commentators badly in need of a ‘going over’ right now but Mearsheimer & Finkelstein are mos def not among ’em.
Here is the final par of Mearsheimer’s post:
” the United States is a liberal democracy that is filled with intellectuals, newspaper editors, policymakers, pundits, and scholars who routinely proclaim their deep commitment to protecting human rights around the world. They tend to be highly vocal when countries commit war crimes, especially if the United States or any of its allies are involved. In the case of Israel’s genocide, however, most of the human rights mavens in the liberal mainstream have said little about Israel’s savage actions in Gaza or the genocidal rhetoric of its leaders. Hopefully, they will explain their disturbing silence at some point. Regardless, history will not be kind to them, as they said hardly a word while their country was complicit in a horrible crime, perpetrated right out in the open for all to see.”

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 5 2024 5:54 utc | 145

An indication of the mentality of the Jews:
Keith Woods
@KeithWoodsYT
Wow! This is the voice of Maria Farmer, the first victim of Jeffrey Epstein to come forward.
Listen to what she says motivated her abusers. Why has this been covered up?
https://twitter.com/KeithWoodsYT/status/1743026957686624680

Posted by: Menz | Jan 5 2024 6:13 utc | 146

The best PR that KSA, Iraq or Iran could do is to call the anti-war Israelis jews to emigrate “en masse” and build a multi religious society on better bases.

Posted by: Minaa | Jan 5 2024 6:13 utc | 147

Ali is on the Grill
the baby who was burned alive is now part of depraved Israeli marriage rituals, where they take photos of him and stab it as a symbol for all Palestinian babies they want to burn and kill. Ben Gvir, now a top member of Netanyahu’s government, has joined in this genocidal ritual:
https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1726456822578770358

Posted by: Exile | Jan 5 2024 6:29 utc | 148

Why RF re not using such fuel air bombs against
Ukro nazis trenches, tunnels @ buildings?

“Today a new type of bomb was used by Israel in Gaza which creates enormous fireballs (much larger than usual)”

Posted by: pq | Jan 4 2024 12:13 utc | 4
The Yanks developed a device they called a fuel-air bomb a few decades ago. It creates a huge cloud of flamable liquid which, when it ignites, can suck the breathable air out of caves, tunnels etc.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 4 2024 15:36 utc | 27

Posted by: SlowSoft | Jan 5 2024 6:36 utc | 149

Pretty soon we’ll have a Korean thread. Its only the first week of 2024 and already the US is stirring up trouble.

Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Jan 5 2024 6:40 utc | 150

Cabe. Thank you for the response. You are clearly an accomplished intellectual and historical scholar. I stand humbly before you as a product of the US public school system.
That being said, back when there was standardized testing I was identified and went forth “as such.”
I can assure you that there are sleeper cells and that those who control Biden are amassing armies in many of the major cities. With what Israel has done to Iran, Beirut and Russia in the last few days it will be a miracle if those countries don’t retaliate.
Which of course is exactly what Israel is trying to instigate in order to draw the US into their predicament and theoretically save them. We cannot.
Our weaponry is garbage. Women, blacks and trannies command our troops. 70% of our troops are classified as obese. Only 4% of our troops are actual trigger pulling infantry war-fighters.
We have zero hope of fighting and winning any war ang any country unless it involves dropping bombs on illiterate goat herders. But after twenty years of dropping bombs on the goat herders in Afghanistan and Iraq, they kicked our asses.
I moved to a small rural town where I can protect my family just because of these inevitable outcomes. Don’t over analyze. Just look at the basic known facts. May you and your family be safe in this new year.

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 5 2024 7:03 utc | 151

And what has North Korea to do with Hamas? It is unbelievable that one has to explain this to the dignified MoA bar but take this VOA report from Jan 4:
“Families of Americans killed and injured in Hamas’ October 7 terror attack in Israel are contemplating a lawsuit against North Korea for indirectly supplying the Palestinian militant group with weapons, according to an Israeli attorney representing the families.”
The only way it seems the world can be made to listen to North Korea is shelling. Perhaps NK is seizing the day and starting what their viewpoint is a world revolution. Militarily the US can be made to overextend itself even more. Economically the Yellow Sea is becoming another Red Sea.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 5 2024 7:09 utc | 152

AP report from October (South Korean officials are to me as “credible” as the IDF):
Hamas fighters likely fired North Korean weapons during their Oct. 7 assault on Israel, a militant video and weapons seized by Israel show, despite Pyongyang’s denials that it arms the militant group.
South Korean officials, two experts on North Korean arms and an Associated Press analysis of weapons captured on the battlefield by Israel point toward Hamas using Pyongyang’s F-7 rocket-propelled grenade, a shoulder-fired weapon that fighters typically use against armored vehicles.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 5 2024 7:21 utc | 153

Fixed it for you..
“Families of Americans killed and injured in IDF October 7 terror attack in Israel are contemplating a lawsuit against The Pentagon for indirectly supplying the IDF with weapons, according to an Israeli attorney representing the families.”

Posted by: Exile | Jan 5 2024 7:34 utc | 154

Posted by: JB | Jan 4 2024 21:34 utc
I’m sure the Russian security service has gathered all the evidence to prove genocide by the Ukrainian Junta and its militias against the Russian-speaking people (including the Odessa massacre and the Bio labs and crimes against Russian prisoners), which they will present in a court they will organize after demilitarizing and defeating the Nazis, rather than to rely on Western-bribed institutions to bring justice. Russia will use its power to locate and punish the guilty Ukrainians, at least, and also possibly those criminals from other countries.

Posted by: norecovery | Jan 5 2024 7:43 utc | 155

Jane @72 ; Jonathan @70
To your points about the possibility that the Epstein case his behind it a deeper and more nefarious Mossad operation (what with Robert maxwell’s daughter in the loop), I thought it bears reminding that the manner of Epstein’s “suicide” in a high security jail, with cameras suddenlty not working etc, bears a striking similarity to the famous Prisone r X Zieger in Israel who also suicided himself with a towel, when cameras were not working and the guards looking away.
That littlke towel business and the CCTV cameras not looking where they are supposed to are a dead give away.
In Israel too, the guards were accused of negligence and got a slap on the wrist (made no doubt easier to bear with the little extra compensation they received behind the scenes).
One must admit that two notorious prisoners with much to tell that certain entities wish to not be told both find a hanging by towel such an easy things to execute (it is decidedly NOT easy) with the guards being sselectively inattentive.
I don’t believe in coincidences like this. One similarity too many. Surely if they managed to shut everyone up in both israel and Australia (where Zieger had family) it would be a walk in the park to railroad everyone in the US.

Posted by: Merlin2 | Jan 5 2024 8:10 utc | 156

Man whoever did that [ISIS e-zine] had far better Adobe In-Design skills than I do, and I use it professionally, LOL! Sometimes I think our spooks get so far ahead of themselves they forget what their media arms are capable of selling to the public and what they aren’t.
@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 4 2024 23:49 utc | 103

Regarding the rich variety of shit-sandwiches which may easily be fed to US Americans, you can fool practically all of the people from here until the end of time, most likely, in my most humble opinion.
(As to getting shackled with Adobe In-Design, I should convey sincere condolences as a (former) fellow sufferer in those squalid vineyards of graphic production.)
We’d like to be clear about why we think this ISIS business belongs here in the Palestine thread. Because that Cui Bono? rubric practically answers itself. USUK48 are looking increasingly desperate to escalate anywhere, anyhow. Why? Because a wider conflict would distract from the historic outrage of ongoing genocide in Gaza.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 5 2024 8:16 utc | 157

And what has North Korea to do with Hamas?
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 5 2024 7:09 utc | 157
You are correct, everything is related to everything else. The SMO in Ukraine and the war in Israel are two fronts in the global struggle against US Hegemony. North Korea doing what Russia and Hezbollah are doing- the minimum necessary to keep the west engaged in futile expenditures of materiel and manpower that cannot be replaced in a timely manner, unable to seize the initiative anywhere. This struggle is well coordinated.
The longer the SMO goes on, the weaker the west gets, militarily and economically. Its political stability erodes. Its ability to coerce erodes. There is nowhere the west can strike a decisive blow. This guerilla warfare on a global scale in all domains. Western decision makers have no good options.

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 5 2024 8:28 utc | 158

Re: Epstein
Note, given the close family connections and similarity in ages – it’s a near certainty that Blinken and Ghislaine Maxwell were childhood playmates.

Posted by: Exile | Jan 5 2024 8:28 utc | 159

Ali is on the Grill
Posted by: Exile | Jan 5 2024 6:29 utc | 153
I don’t believe even the NAZIs sank to this level of depravity.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 5 2024 8:55 utc | 160

Posted by: Exile | Jan 5 2024 6:29 utc | 153
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 5 2024 8:55 utc | 165
I wonder how they’d react to:

“Toasted Anne Franks”

as a menu item …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 5 2024 8:57 utc | 161

considering Turkey arrested some 30 Mossad the other day.. and abilities of Iran intel. can access them too..maybe can reveal the trail of the Suleimani bombings.. I feel convinced that via al Tanf USA trained rebels fluid “connections” to Isis …that IDF and USA “commissioned “these attacks…and if proven ….all hell is gonna break out

Posted by: Jo | Jan 5 2024 9:18 utc | 162

… I actually reckon that while we enjoy commentaries from a preferred commentator we are just not critical enough of that we read which they have written.
It would be better to regard every fresh post, as something to treat skeptically…
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 5 2024 5:54 utc | 150
Excuse me, all posters, but many of us keeping track of these Palestinian threads come to you reading from the newest and last post on the thread — and I have just, in the middle of a very cold night, been wading through what I would classify as a lot of muck. Why are you even choosing to write in this manner? It is a discourtesy to other posters and it is totally unnecessary. I am tired of dirty words; I am tired of disreputable and dishonorable people even being named. I consider such talk dredging up the names of fools and reprobates as totally negative and black propaganda (if you want a name for it), and I am sure that other readers do as well. Sure we get discouraged – every one is – by the scum of the earth and the dishonorables who currently seem to have the bully pulpit but why are we doing their job for them?
It’s not being Goody Two Shoes to be someone who cares about a clean discourse that says important stuff; it is being adult and conscious of the effect words have on the people we would like to persuade. We can all do it — I know we can. We are all able to choose our words carefully. Honor them as you do your readers. Words matter.
Clean up your act, people. Just because you have the freedom to post, take some time to post something that is worth the effort to read, or don’t post at all. I’m sorry to go off topic here but a rant is deserved. Stop posting trash.
I for one am totally sick of hearing about the scum of the earth. I want to hear what is happening that stays with facts and will be inspirational to the poor souls seeking insight and wisdom, who seek positive alternatives involving the good in human nature in order to change what is presently happening. We know things are terrible; we’ve seen the depravity — there’s no philosophy in that. Make your words count on this forum; use them wisely; the world is listening in.
I scroll past swill. If everyone will do that, perhaps we can improve this excellent forum b has given us. Trash talk doesn’t belong here, even late at night. And I am guilty too. I just went through this post and removed all the exclamation points; it’s better that I did that, much easer for the reader to digest. A bold now and then, or italics, those are sufficient emphases – I’m gonna try and tone it down myself in future. We all want to be read; let’s make that easier on the eyes of our weary readers.
Thanks.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 5 2024 9:23 utc | 163

Posted by: Exile | Jan 5 2024 7:34 utc | 159
By the way, 1.5 – 2 weeks remaining in my estimate …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 5 2024 9:23 utc | 164

…. By the way, 1.5 – 2 weeks remaining in my estimate …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 5 2024 9:23 utc ……
You said that 2 weeks ago 😂
I stick by my Late Feb – Mid March estimate.

Posted by: Exile | Jan 5 2024 9:50 utc | 165

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 5 2024 7:03 utc | 156
Off topic – but it’s much better to vote-with-your-feet and leave for better pastures. Our forefathers did, you can too. Your grandchildren will thank you. It’s much easier than you think.

Posted by: Exile | Jan 5 2024 9:56 utc | 166

Posted by: juliania | Jan 5 2024 9:23 utc | 168
Off topic. Swill.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 5 2024 10:21 utc | 167

“Whoever designed the Merkavas never imagined someone would be so crazy as to walk up to a tank in the middle of a battle and place the explosive on it.”
During Operation Epsom (26–30 June 1944) Six Panthers got into Cheux and knocked out several anti-tank guns. Four Panthers were knocked out by PIAT bombs and one turned over trying to get away. One of the PIAT gunners walked in front of a Panther to shoot the next one up the backside.
I suppose it depends on how much you want to get one.

Posted by: Squeeth | Jan 5 2024 10:23 utc | 168

I hope this isn’t too tangential, but simply can’t understand how the most wealthiest university in the world didn’t not better prepare their president
Posted by: Ludo | Jan 5 2024 4:40 utc | 137
It’s very relevant to this thread. Especially compared to the amount of distracting racist garbage (RLTW).
Jewish Voices for Peace protests get huge coverage. They call for peace and their T-shirts read: not in my name. If a group of Muslim taxpayers objected to their tax dollars being used to kill anyone anywhere and called for peace wearing the same t-shirts they’d be shut down.
University presidents are presidents because they are competent bureaucrats. This means they are good at fundraising, take credit for anything good, they dump blame for anything bad on someone else, they know which powerful interests to please and so on. They don’t want to lose ANY donor and therefore they try to please everyone. I suppose there are some large “progressive” non-Zionist donors
However they are incapable of original thought. This is the exact conversation:
Asked by Stefanik whether calls for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard’s rules of bullying and harassment, Gay responded, “It can be, depending on the context.”
“Antisemitic speech when it crosses into conduct that amounts to bullying, harassment, intimidation — that is actionable conduct and we do take action,” Gay said.
Judge Nap points out there was no reason for any university president to be questioned at that hearing which was little more than an open attack on the first amendment. The US government does not have a right to conduct witch hunts to suppress free speech.
According to the Judge they only had to provide their name, address and plead the fifth.
However, not showing up to showing up to a hearing requires taking a stance. That takes courage.
A bureaucrat with courage?? Find me even one.

Posted by: pq | Jan 5 2024 10:53 utc | 169

Have been reading the thread and came to post 51, in reply to pq.
It was not posted by me, thus a false pretender. Sorry, pq and barflies.

Posted by: stranger | Jan 5 2024 11:07 utc | 170

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2024 3:05 utc | 128
Well said. I would add that Venezuelans in particular are subjected to a barrage of propaganda about how amazing the US is. The ones who come are the gullible ones. And they are confronted with the reality and are in shock.
https://news.yahoo.com/asylum-seekers-nyc-america-migrants-crisis-chaos-090039003.html
“I thought of New York differently, but now I also see that New York is in chaos,” said a 48-year-old Ecuadorian woman”
“For one 29-year-old Venezuelan woman…America represented hope. There, she thought, she would find safety and the opportunity to make a living. But four months after arriving in the U.S., she says it’s nothing like she had imagined. Since arriving in New York, she’s struggled to make money and obtain basic necessities while navigating the city’s shelter system….
“I just want a job,” she said. “It is very difficult to get to a place when you have nothing.”
Politico implies that the US is preparing for broader West Asia so all those North Americans and Europeans who don’t want more refugees: demand an end to war instead of whining about more refugees a year from now.

Posted by: pq | Jan 5 2024 11:14 utc | 171

Aleks from Black Mountain Analysis just dropped another piece about the situation in the Middle East:
https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/the-persian-gulf
Very interesting.

Posted by: Thomas | Jan 5 2024 11:17 utc | 172

oes Israel really want a piece of Hezbollah?
May God forgive U.S. evangelical Christians who indulge Israel. Hezbollah is a formidable militia and much more capable than any enemy Israel has ever faced while invading a foreign country. I cannot stand the breed of Christians that the U.S. has fostered.
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Jan 4 2024 18:13 utc | 51
It is a peculiar alliance between evangelical Christians and the Jews.
The evangelicals believe in End Times where Jesus returns into a Jew led Palestine. Then all heathens are put into to Hell and the Christians enter heaven.
So they support Israel/Jews so this event can take place where all the Jews will be thrown into hell s they are heathens according to the doctrine.
Sik.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 5 2024 11:28 utc | 173

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 4 2024 19:01 utc | 63
Thank you for a comprehensive tutorial on how infantry can attack tanks.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 5 2024 11:32 utc | 174

Wellcome to the bar RLTW , what cat dragged you in to this Zionazi saloon cowboy?
Or have you been around before?
Anyway some guano you pooped as you swept though our cave like a bat, man.
Before zipping out with smoke from your rear – thanks for the fertiliser, I suppose.
I mean that – always good to get fresh meat (and veg, mostly veg) it helps a healthy diet and body. It refreshes the bars mood.
So please take this as a constructive dialogue inspired by your contribution.
Re 118 – have you not yet realised that the USA IS A ZIONIST project ? From day 1. Or are you still one of those who think there was no such thing as Zionism until some wurzle in SWITZERLAND invented it? Infact do consider that the East India Company was also a Zionist vehicle – perhaps look up their flag compared to your lily white virginal USA-ians.
Second, re 125 – can YOU remember the last time modern China LOST a war against anyone or ‘mighty’ USA? Was it WW2? Vietnam? Korea? Or is it Formosa?
Maybe the BRI is being beaten up by the yankeedoodles around the world.
I will criticise you on one subject though – the strange self deluding myth of the freeman living alone in the wild, protecting one’s family, against all and any control – grow up.
Much ammo that is used by your multiple weapon hoarding yahoos was being supplied by …Russia. Your MIC weapons are shit and only work in movies. They are more likely to rust, fall to pieces or explode in your hands and faces as you try and catch some innocent creature to feed your happy migrant mongrel USAian family – which is you ALL are – except the pure Zionists whether dressed as Judaeohighpriest or their alter ego WASP skins, who own and rule there as they have across Europe though the ages.
They’ve sold everyone on a skyfairy tale of heaven and rising from death for eternal life – whilst laughing at the slaves who keep themselves mentally chained by such beautiful ethereal chains. Genius. That’s why they are in charge and have been for centuries.
That’s why they own you and yours and always will, while you dream your dream of freedom and individuality.
It’s better to know your history and learn from it rather than escaping into some dream future fantasy. Put that in your pipe and make smoke with it. Thanks for the discussion.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 5 2024 11:38 utc | 175

Woke or Just Retarded-Justin Trudeau (latter)
Posted by: canuck | Jan 4 2024 21:08 utc | 86
Redundant.
Posted by: Honzo | Jan 4 2024 23:29 utc | 102
Can’t argue with that; you are correct.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 5 2024 11:41 utc | 176

Lebanese TV reports:
Al-Qassam Brigades carries out joint operation with Al-Quds Brigades: 3 Israeli Merkavas destroyed with Yassine-105 and Tandem charge projectiles in Khan Yunis
Comment: tally now 141 Merkavas claimed on all fronts since 2.Oct

Posted by: Exile | Jan 5 2024 11:43 utc | 177

“RLTW and his merry band of chickenshit Nazis would last about 5 minutes in the end of civilization scenario he jacks off to.”
Posted by: Dumb Cracker | Jan 5 2024 3:20 utc | 130
If you don’t agree with RLTW’s views than create a carefully crafted counter point to his views; don’t be disrespectful and vulgar because all that does is clearly illustrate your complete lack of intellectual prowess.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 5 2024 11:53 utc | 178

3 Israeli Merkavas destroyed with Yassine-105 and Tandem charge projectiles in Khan Yunis
Posted by: Exile | Jan 5 2024 11:43 utc | 182
The Empire can’t deal with these home made Palestinian weapons. They’re trying to paint them as “North Korean” supplied.
Who could believe two states, hermetically sealed from each other, both by a wall of Western tyrrany, are still capable of arming each other?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 5 2024 12:07 utc | 179

Instead of cross border incursions, Israel is now flying sorties over Hezbollah Lebanon and dropping bombs.
Any sane and rational governance would consider that an act of war and respond in kind. I really don’t get the Lebanon governance at all. I know the “sold out” weak, divided and indebted situation. But I’m also guessing at this point, seeing all the genocide next door, every Lebanon citizens get that they are next. Well, and the public stated intent was probably useful too. So, yeah, they should be on the phone with North Korea & Malasia getting some AD systems and mercs.
You’d think they would have gotten some AD systems from Syria or something over these years. They seem like sitting ducks for air campaigns.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 5 2024 12:10 utc | 180

Wellcome to the bar RLTW , what cat dragged you in to this Zionazi saloon cowboy?
Or have you been around before?
Anyway some guano you pooped as you swept though our cave like a bat, man.
Before zipping out with smoke from your rear – thanks for the fertiliser, I suppose.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 5 2024 11:38 utc | 180
Cut with the awkward ad hominens; if you want a proper discussion to express your views act like a rational person rather than a faux, deranged poet.
Off Topic: And, you are wrong about diet; more meat, little vegetables if you want to the upmost health. When civilization 10,000 years or so switched from hunting, gathering to agriculture the human race lost 6 inches in height and lost 15% of brain size. (1)
1. https://modernfarmer.com/2022/04/farming-made-our-ancestors-shorter/

Posted by: canuck | Jan 5 2024 12:16 utc | 181

Iran, China and Russia are all allied now seemingly with the entire Middle East. Against Israel and the US.

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 5 2024 1:47 utc | 118

They have been since the bombing of Chinese embassy in Belgrade on
May 7, 1999.
Conspiracy is a two-edged sword, there could be more than one at any time.
Killing the Beast, the piracy Empire, required a lot of wisdom and perseverance.
Ongoing business I guess.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jan 5 2024 12:29 utc | 182

RE: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 5 2024 12:07 utc | 184
Yes and the recent barrage PR that North Korea and Iran are supplying Russia with missiles. As though Russia can’t produce in quantity what they need for themselves.
I’m guessing it’s really all about US public PR building the “hate” as the U.S. wants to open the China & Iranian war fronts. Talk about anything but… Israel ineptitude.
In any event, North Korea currently not taking their crap, and they may soon have their wished for North Korean War.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 5 2024 12:49 utc | 183

I think I figured out why US corporate media is not telling their readers that South Africa a week ago filed a genocide lawsuit against Israel in the International Court of Justice. If they don’t tell their readers the suit has been filed, then they don’t have to tell them the outcome of the suit. It’s a win-win situation for them. The media can save their readers the trauma of being told their hero is committing genocide.

Posted by: Chas | Jan 5 2024 13:09 utc | 184

the ‘most’ ‘wealthiest’ university
pq | Jan 5 2024 10:53 utc | 174
JFC.

Posted by: strunk | Jan 5 2024 13:26 utc | 185

@Posted by: Ludo | Jan 5 2024 4:40 utc | 137
Did President Gay not even know why she was at the Senate hearings?
She was there as the Senators were pro-genocide and sought to make an example of her.
They wanted to intimidate those that do not fall in line with the pro-genocide crowd.
Period. Endi of Storyium.
The Senators set out to make the rules:
Rule 1) Jews are the victims here
Rule 2) Jews are the victims here
Rule 3) Jews are the victims here
President Gay did nothing to assert her own rules:
“The only ones, Senator, supporting genocide, here or at Harvard, are those supporting the attack upon Gaza.”
“You are clearly misinterpreting criticism of genocide against the Palestinians as being a threat to Jews.”
“Get real Senators, we are here today as you wish to intimidate those not supporting genocide against the Palestinians.”
“Your line of questioning reveals your intent to support genocide by intimidating and silencing critics of genocide”.

Posted by: librul | Jan 5 2024 13:27 utc | 186

I really don’t get the Lebanon governance at all. I know the “sold out” weak, divided and indebted situation.
Trubind1 | Jan 5 2024 12:10 utc | 185
What more do you need to get it?

Posted by: clarence | Jan 5 2024 13:31 utc | 187

Trubind1
The Lebanese gov probably does not even have access to enough fuel to fill its planes. Add that the elite lives abroad most of the time. It is a shame of a country and France is largely responsible for the political stalemate with the idiotic constitution they imposed on Lebanon, and which is based on confessionalism. So bad it was reproduced by the US and imposed on Iraq.
We wont get out of this mess without a new UN charter forbidding any reference to religion in politics, meaning in constitutions and political parties.

Posted by: Minaa | Jan 5 2024 13:43 utc | 188

Exile@159…..maybe they can start a Class Action Lawsuit…..then put all the names of the dead Palestinians that have also been killed by Pentagon bombs, all those maimed by Pentagon bombs, all those left homeless by Pentagon bombs all those facing a life of pain and suffering, mental and physical illness, all from Pentagon bombs.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 5 2024 14:08 utc | 189

Nanny posters, always correcting others, in a fucking bar no less. Never forget this is a bar, bars are not for the pure of heart easily offended by a few words, or how they are presented, petty petty petty.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 5 2024 14:14 utc | 190

Listen to what she says motivated her abusers. Why has this been covered up?
https://twitter.com/KeithWoodsYT/status/1743026957686624680
Posted by: Menz | Jan 5 2024 6:13 utc | 151
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OMG.
Thanks for posting that.
I had seen this some years ago—maybe when Whitney Webb was writing about all of this.
I can’t recall exactly.
But I had forgotten about it.
In particular I note Maria’s question (which I haven’t actually heard put so simply before):
Chosen for WHAT?”

Posted by: Jane | Jan 5 2024 15:00 utc | 191

Israel treated jihadi militants, of the sort the US was supporting in Syria, but they were not ISIS as far as I remember. They crossed over the Golan front, and there were/are no ISIS in the south of Syria.
Posted by: laguerre | Jan 5 2024 0:24 utc | 110
The UN monitors/peacekeeping force in golan reported seeing ISIS fighters being resupplied by Israeli Army and ambulances taking wounded into Israel. The next day the peacekeepers were kidnapped and released the following day, followed by the UN withdrawing them, and removing the witnesses.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 5 2024 15:05 utc | 192

I don’t believe even the NAZIs sank to this level of depravity.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 5 2024 8:55 utc | 165
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These people are clearly demented. They obviously need help—but the Jewish shrinks are fleeing.
They need to be confined, heavily tranquilized, and reprogrammed.
It sounds like their chant equates Palestinians with Philistines. Which would indicate that they know perfectly well who the Pals are—the true reason for hating them and dispatching them stems not from the Pals’ “modern” residence in Palestine, but from their ancient residence there.
IOW Zionistan is just another inning in a thousands-year-old match.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 5 2024 15:11 utc | 193

pq 174
The following comment may be OT, but while we are talking about universities and free speech and gutless presidents and (as we know) the power of Jewish donors, it does offer perspective on Claudine Gay, from Wesley Wang, that I had not seen elsewhere. Jewish before-and-behind-scenes power at Harvard and elsewhere is great.

Carol Swain grew up in a shack without running water with 11 brothers and sisters. She was much feted in academia upon her emergence but quickly engaged in heterodoxies that got her blackballed and went on to become an evangelical Christian and a Trump supporter. That’s why her outraged demands for accountability for Claudine Gay stealing her work carry no weight with anyone that matters. She lacked the implicit knowledge of how to stay within the right-thinking consensus that Gay learned at Exeter and therefore became a pariah while Gay made a rapid ascent to the very pinnacle of all academic leadership.
Roland Fryer was abandoned by his mother early and his abusive father was convicted for rape, leaving him to fend for himself in the streets as a teenager. He righted himself and became the youngest tenured professor in the history of Harvard University, a favorite of the then-President of Harvard Lawrence Summers, and one of the most productive scholars at Harvard University, studying subjects seeking to find ways to ameliorate the condition of the black underclass.
Soon after publishing a study demonstrating that police officers were slightly more likely to shoot white suspects than black subjects, he became the subject of a sexual harassment investigation. He ended up suspended for a year and the lab where he studied ways to ameliorate the condition of the black underclass was shuttered — despite the fact that the female best friend of his accuser told investigators and went on the record with the press that his accuser was typically the instigator of the sexualized banter that occurred in Fryer’s lab.
The dean of Harvard College who delivered this punishment was — Claudine Gay.
Gay is the scioness of one of Haiti’s wealthiest families and a graduate of Exeter. She obtained tenure at Stanford on the strength of four published papers, and was poached by Harvard. She has gone on to publish a total of eleven research papers and no books — a record that a professor told me was easily in the bottom 5th percentile of all professors employed at peer institutions. Seven of those papers have been shown to have violated Harvard’s rules on academic citation.
All of these professors are beneficiaries of affirmative action — Swain and Fryer overcame great adversity and disadvantage to do high level academic work that was generally regarded as of the first rank by their peers. They fulfilled the promise of that policy by taking opportunities granted to them on the basis of considerations beyond the strictly academic, given the diminished opportunities available to them in youth.
Gay is a child of privilege who learned how to play the game among other elites — she stole from Swain and shut down Fryer on her path to the presidency.”
– Wesley Yang

Yang has a Twitter thing that is worth checking out.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 5 2024 15:23 utc | 194

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 5 2024 3:55 utc | 132
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And you are a very confused racist.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 5 2024 15:23 utc | 195

“President Ebrahim Raeisi reiterates Iran’s resolve to consign those behind the recent hugely deadly terror blasts in the country’s southwest to justice.”
“The chief executive made the remarks during a phone call with his ***Serbian counterpart Aleksandar Vučić ****on Thursday.”
“No degree of support or patronage from no power can provide a security margin to the agents that have been involved in this atrocity,” Raeisi said.
Serbia? Odd. Intel share?

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 5 2024 15:25 utc | 196

Nanny posters, always correcting others, in a fucking bar no less. Never forget this is a bar, bars are not for the pure of heart easily offended by a few words, or how they are presented, petty petty petty.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 5 2024 14:14 utc | 195
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Sometimes called concern trolls.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 5 2024 15:33 utc | 197

Posted by: Ludo | Jan 5 2024 4:40 utc | 137
I too am surprised, dear Ludo, when im at the DMV and the strong and independent women staffing the place do not pick up on the rhetorical subtleties implicit between the lines.

Posted by: ryanggg | Jan 5 2024 15:35 utc | 198

https://twitter.com/KeithWoodsYT/status/1743026957686624680
Posted by: Menz | Jan 5 2024 6:13 utc | 151
Thats a keeper (if real).
Don’t let it totally poison you though.
Remember:
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2023/12/19/hanukkah-media-roundup/

Posted by: librul | Jan 5 2024 15:36 utc | 199

Posted by: canuck | Jan 5 2024 12:16 utc | 186
It took a while but I get it now. You’re on ignore. Mental diarrhea daily. Was nice knowing you.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2024 15:41 utc | 200