Meditation #3
Let us imagine that on 7 October the ‘Israeli’ high command had purposely ordered the IDF and it’s related security organs around Gaza to “stand down” or “reduce awareness” to some degree or other.

Let us imagine that on 7 October the ‘Israeli’ high command had purposely ordered the core defensive organs of the IDF to “go to sleep”.

Yet, when we review the events of that day, HAMAS fighters did not attack into “empty space”:
– HAMAS attacked manned surveillance towers, not un-manned. These surveillance points were not deserted, attempts were made to respond. Footage of the detection and response (admittedly panicked) was taken.
– Detection was not completely absent.Yes,the detection may not have been as comprehensive as the Izzraelis may have planned … but in the end, how much “detection” does such a mighty, modern army really require in order to respond to the basics???
– HAMAS engaged security forces in the Kibbutzes directly. The Kibbutzes were not emptied of security forces, there were security forces there with sufficient training (at least on paper) and weaponry (including tanks) to defend the Kibbutzes.
– The Kibbutzes themselves are not filled with civilians. ‘Israelis’ inhabiting the Kibbutzes have all undergone military training above a certain age, are armed, are aware of the Hamas threat just over the fence.
While the IDF as a whole took several hours to mobilize to meet the threat, why would this even be necessary?
Was it necessary to mobilize the entirety of the “most powerful military in the middle east” just for a few hundred mavericks escaping over a prison fence?
Really?
Given that the entire population of the “Kibbutz belt” providing a “human shield” against Gaza is militarized, why was a massed response by the IDF even required to neutralize the threat?

Conclusion:

It was not a deliberate, planned failure of the IDF or a deliberate, planned intelligence failure by the ‘Israeli’ high command that led to the catastrophic failure of the IDF on 7 October.
It was a lack of capability to deal with the direct concentrated application of military force applied by the Palestinian Resistance to the machinery of occupation.

Was there a plan to “Let It Happen”? Perhaps. But Izzrael is always looking for an opportunity to “LIHOP” or “MIHOP”. Every now and again it gets lucky.
Did the Izzraeli ‘intelligence’ have the detailed plans of HAMAS’ plan of attack for 7 October down in PowerPoint and Excel and still choose to withhold it? Perhaps.
But do you mean to tell me that the only way the IDF and the Kibbutz security forces can defend themselves from HAMAS is to have, in advance, detailed plans of any potential attack??? Have they no adaptability? No ability to respond fluidly to incoming threats at all times? I mean, in war can you really count on your enemy to provide you the attack plans in advance?
Judging by the current performance of Izzraeli ground troops in Gaza, this conclusion becomes all the more plausible as it becomes clear that in a face to face confrontation the IDF is not the equal of the Al Qassam, Al Quds, I.J and other fighters in the strip.

This “hollowness of the IDF” is the real reason for the apparent ‘engineered failure’ of the IDF in the face of the 7 October Palestinian Special Military Operation.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 2 2024 15:48 utc | 4

Regardless of what else happens, the mask has been permanently ripped off the zionist monster. They will never again enjoy the position they once did. One simple phrase denies them legitimacy while bringing fear and discomfort to those who believe in nothing; Allahu Akbar!
May it echo in your nightmares.

Posted by: liveload | Jan 2 2024 16:04 utc | 6

“Greater Israel” on post 4 is also “USA #1” post 17 on the Ukraine thread.

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Jan 2 2024 16:15 utc | 8

Arch Bungle@5
Your sensible analysis is welcome.
It is difficult not to suspect that behind the monomaniacal repetitions of the theory that ‘librul’ posts, whenever the opportunity to do so presents itself, it is not intended to generate long discussions on what is a complete irrelevance.
All military intelligence systems involve large amounts of deceitful claims, exagerrated reports, provocations and lies. Anyone who doesn’t realise this ought to be reading history books not posting opinions on the internet.
Everything about the state of Israel is largely composed of boasts, insanely counter factual assertions and claims of “The Dragons told me I could have it” variety.
In the specific matter of surveillance capability Israel is among the world’s leading exporters of this most profitable service- nothing would be more surprising than for them to confess that October 7th demonstrated the worthless nature of their systems and their impotence in the face of even the crudest assaults.
It is unlikely that ‘librul’ is working for Israel’s security industry but he’s doing a splendid job for them. Money can’t buy an advertising campaign with the reach of a juicy conspiracy theory.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 2 2024 16:20 utc | 10

librul, you bring up an important point about a laissez faire conspiracy. And arch brings up another about how this is all going quite poorly for Israel’s conspiring government. I ask us to remember a conspiracy can occur and still be an ongoing failure. You don’t need a conspiracy to succeed for it to exist, just the attempt to create or allow the conditions and attempt to take advantage of it.
Israel has shown that it does not care about anyone’s lives, including its citizens. It is revealed to be an unhinged, heartless monster for everyone involved. And they’ve talked themselves into a trap of their own making, revealing everything.
The only answer left is a United Palestine, many voices singing equally in harmony.

Posted by: titmouse | Jan 2 2024 16:29 utc | 12

“In the specific matter of surveillance capability Israel is among the world’s leading exporters of this most profitable service- nothing would be more surprising than for them to confess that October 7th demonstrated the worthless nature of their systems and their impotence in the face of even the crudest assaults.”
Posted by: bevin | Jan 2 2024 16:20 utc | 11
The Hamas military assault was anything but ‘crude’; it was extremely well planned, well executed and successful.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 2 2024 16:37 utc | 14

… Yet, the Sunni are sitting on the fence – the Resistance at the mo – outside largely Sunni Gaza, is predominantly Shia
Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 2 2024 0:53 utc | 194
Sorry to post it here, as this from the previous one. It needs elaboration. About shia and sunni. This is not an accusation.
Very simplistic and erroneous way to look at it. Makes very little or no sense. Because both the ‘factions’ believe in the SAME God and same last Prophet (pbuh). Have the same Book and Teachings of the last Prophet (pbuh). The differences are relatively minor. By highlighting it you may inadvertently facilitate the divide and rule mindset.
Sitting on the fence has nothing to do with religion. It has more to do with ethnicity (regional ethnic mindset), political persuasion, self-esteem and depth of devotion (to Islam) of the leaders (rulers) those ethnically influenced peoples. Remember, it is the rulers that sit on the fence. The population are deprived of political ability. Yet most observers state that ‘the muslim populations are fuming’. That in itself should clear the record. The insecure or corrupt rulers are culpable. They fear the life’s consequences and not the eternal accountability and recourse. Islam encourages helping fellow Muslims. If they are doing anything wrong, to stop them. If they are being wronged, to help them.

Posted by: sal | Jan 2 2024 16:47 utc | 16

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 2 2024 15:48 utc | 5
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From Ukraine to Gaza, we’re continually witnessing the weakness of the world’s bullies.
Glass jaws and weak stomachs.
The hasbara posters here are funny. The IDF is so poor at combat, which is to be expected for concentration camp prison guards. Even their reservists, every second Moshe and Schlomo is a Lt. Major.
If 10 Palestinian men and 10 Israeli men go into a room, who is coming out?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 2 2024 16:50 utc | 18

Posted by: Angelo | Jan 2 2024 16:49 utc | 18
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Did you just post under the wrong name?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 2 2024 16:51 utc | 20

Democracy Now interviews Professor of international law John Boyle who is confident that ‘Israel’s’ actions constitute genocide:
https://youtu.be/ypxiFjrM8RA?si=P7MGzN00UHX6scQl
Professor John Boyle was the first lawyer to obtain a judgement of genocide against Yugoslavia during the Bosnian War at the ICJ as well as two provisional actions to stop the ongoing genocide at the time.
He states, following his detailed review of South Africa’s charges that he believes South Africa will succeed in obtaining the provisional measures from the ICJ which will consist of a “cease and desist” order against izzrael and will obtain a determination of “genocide” once the ICJ has deliberated.
He states further that all 153 members of the ICJ will be obligated to prevent the ongoing actions of Israel against the Palestinians once the determination is reached (article 1 of the genocide convention).
If he’s correct that the ICJ will follow the course he predicts within the next 1 week (the hearing will be around the 11 January) then I think the US can be expected to apply it’s most desperate measures to prevent the ICJ from operating.
However, it looks to me the ICJ is a distributed court, it may not be easy to threaten the judges.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 2 2024 16:56 utc | 22

I’m simply waiting for the third army …. as I noted to Lovedonbass in an earlier thread …. Al Aqsa Flood the catalyst?
“The Quran in a couple of ayahs of Surah Bani Israel clearly implies that Israelis will commit aggression and corruption in the holy land and will be punished exactly as their predecessors experienced during the 1st and 2nd temple. For those who are unaware, 1st & 2nd Temple is commonly referred to the two times that Israelis in their history build their temple and state, and twice both were destroyed due to the divine punishment. Despite having all blessings, revelation and prophets to guide them, they abused their political authority, continuously disobeyed Allah ﷻ and spread corruption in the holy land, exactly as they are doing today, and so they were punished. In both instances of divine punishment, it was an invasion from an enemy that was mighty in warfare, which attacked Israel, killed thousands of them and took thousands as prisoners. This writing aims to briefly explain how the 1st and 2nd temple happened and how today’s Zionist Israel with its existing behavior will face a 3rd divine punishment, another army, in the light of Quran and the prophetic predictions.”
http://kn-ow.com/article/the-end-of-zionist-israel-in-surah-bani-israel-307/

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 2 2024 17:00 utc | 24

Netanyahu wants Alan Dershowitz to represent Israel at the ICJ: Report
2 January 2024 16:45 GMT
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/netanyahu-wants-alan-dershowitz-represent-israel-hague-report?nid=331061&topic=Israel-Palestine%2520war&fid=496086
Comment – if true, then the Israeli defense is doomed. Dershowitz is great on TV taking softball questions, but his status is 100% due to ethnic nepotism not talent nor skill.
Arch – great post

Posted by: Exile | Jan 2 2024 17:08 utc | 26

Sigh. A limited compartmentalized standown is not mutually exclusive of a well planned and executed attack. I think I’ll wait for Hamas fighters reactions to October 7 once the dust has settled. Because numerous trustworthy outlets like Grayzone have reported that even they were surprised at how easy it was, how long Israel waited to respond and that they reached so far into Israel that they exceeded their own plans.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 2 2024 17:09 utc | 28

From the prev. thread:
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https://twitter.com/malsaafin/status/1742033344248918127
The Israeli army pulled out of the Gaza City neighborhood of Sheikh Radwan today. This report shows the aftermath: entire areas-homes, schools, clinics-bombed out, bodies decomposing in the streets. This is what the US govt has backed, . . .
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 2 2024 14:27 utc | 234
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The magnitude of this horror and the depravity of the criminal intent are incomprehensible. These people are psychos.
If I raise my hand against my neighbor—even touch him or her in the course of an argument— I can be charged with assault.
Words fail utterly. There is no way to think about this and remain even rational.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 2 2024 17:13 utc | 30

“I expect to see a lot of whining here at MOA in 2024—it will be a GREAT year for the Jewish State but not so good for palestinian vermin!” “Heheheh”
Actually, the vast majority of the civilized population of the world is vehemently opposed both the the treatment of the Arab polulation of the area claimed by the Zionists and more recently and more vehemently the genocidal MURDER of said Arabs (and Christians and others). There is a certain, hard-to-understand hubris on the part of the Zionists at this time, but make no mistake – there will be “blowback”. What is happening is beyond the pale and will not be forgotten, ever. The Jews have lost their Victim Card. They have become interntional paraihs.

Posted by: dpy | Jan 2 2024 17:16 utc | 32

The Shia power is acting; the Sunni power is not.
This is not a divide and rule: simply a statement of a present day fact.
The USA, by the way, has intentionally come down on the side of the Sunni.
China’s diplomatic triumph with KSA/Iran must have really pissed off the USA.
Join the dots.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 2 2024 17:18 utc | 34

LoveDonbass @1645
Good insights on the corruptiveness of those who seek power. Political parties, particularly the most entrenched ones, are at the least, aiders and abetters of these sociopathic individuals. Take a look at the UKlie ones, with their destruction of the honest and idealistic Jeremy Corbin. Then consider the fact that in the U$$A, the nexus between the Talmudist controlled mass media of misinformation and mindfuckery are deeply in bed with the two monopolist peas in a pod, teeter-totter parties.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 2 2024 17:22 utc | 36

@ Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 2 2024 16:17 utc | 10
Steady on there, Archy baby – did you mean to equate the Khmerbastards with the whole Khmer peoples?
I been several times – the whole population was terrorised by a few thousands trained in some hidden places a bit like the mujahadeen were in Pakistan, taken there as children and brainwashed.
As child soldiers are.
I know many judaeoborn people- many are indeed ‘good’ in terms of acknowledging the injustice to Palestinians and the egregious behaviour of the illegal apartheid entity and regime in the Levant. Many illegal settlers there are perhaps not as wedded to the heinous Zionazi philosophy of continued Anglo European imperialism that that illegal qentity represents. Was planned to be century before it came about.
Do you need a list? There have been many postings by many.
When someone directly stirs the pot as your final comment does that just lights up the warning that they are not a honest actor. Which I’m sure you aim to be.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 2 2024 17:28 utc | 38

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 2 2024 17:08 utc | 27
A couple of weeks ago on Judge Nappolitano Crook said it was very likely that Israel would attack Lebanon. He said the Israeli government had promised Northern settlers they could return by the end of January.
I took it to mean that he had been permitted to start leaking UK US greenlighht for a Beirut attack.
The biggest problem in attacking Israel are all its human shields: all the Arab Israelis and Palestinians who live in Israel, 20% of the population.
In 2006 when Hezbollah killed three Palestinians in Israel, Nasrallah apologized for it. The father of the killed said that he did not blame Nasrallah, he blamed the Israeli government.

Posted by: pq | Jan 2 2024 17:33 utc | 40

As far as I can tell the NY Times has yet to inform the readers of its online edition that South Africa has filed genocide charges against Israel at the International Court of Justice. I check the headlines every morning and haven’t seen anything yet, but I don’t know about the print edition. Anyway, the Times editors must be having a difficult time deciding how to propagandize the story to favor Israel.
If Norman Finkelstein is a lawyer he would be a good choice for South Africa to prosecute its case.

Posted by: Chas | Jan 2 2024 17:45 utc | 42

“How tragic that the Rainbow Nation that prides itself on fighting racism will be fighting pro-bono for anti-Jewish racists,” Mr. Levy said. “History will judge South Africa for abetting the modern heirs of the Nazis.”

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 2 2024 17:46 utc | 44

Thanks I get that.
Haven’t touched a drop today. Yet!
I try not to imbibe before 6 pm.
But there may be some in bloodstream still working itself out. 🥴
I was responding to your retort to @Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 2 2024 16:05 utc | 8
Which read to me as you were saying there were ‘no good Jews’. By equating with Nazis and Khmerrouge.
Sorry I misread that. Let’s move on.
I’m going to try and wait until 7pm tonight before first hair of dog.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 2 2024 17:56 utc | 46

A strike targeting a building in Beirut’s Southern Suburb has killed at least 6 people, including Deputy Chief of the Political Bureau of the Hamas movement, Saleh al-Arouri,it has been reported.
This is a big loss for Hamas because Al-Arouri was a very important figure in the movement and the resistance.
The assassination time is symbolic – the day before the anniversary of the assassination of Iran’s general Soleimani, al-Muhandis and others, and the day before Nasralla’s announced speech in memory of General Soleimani.
The Zionists have stated that they intend to kill the Hamas leaders, and that they will pursue them in other countries.

Posted by: JB | Jan 2 2024 18:01 utc | 48

Netanyahu wants Alan Dershowitz to represent Israel at the ICJ: Report
2 January 2024 16:45 GMT
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/netanyahu-wants-alan-dershowitz-represent-israel-hague-report?nid=331061&topic=Israel-Palestine%2520war&fid=496086
Comment – if true, then the Israeli defense is doomed. Dershowitz is great on TV taking softball questions, but his status is 100% due to ethnic nepotism not talent nor skill.
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OMG! This is almost funny.
If true, it is going to be Ground Zero for cognitive dissonance among huge swaths of the US “progressive” community, not to mention the #MeToo people (because of the Epstein episode [in which he kept his boxers ON, goddammit!]).
More Dersh hatred because he defended Trump.
They seemed to think that Trump had no right to legal advice and defense.
I don’t like Dersh, but whatever you think of him, or Trump, Trump had every right to hire a lawyer.
Of course, it is true that Net also has the right to legal defense.
So, what with hating Dersh, hating Trump, those who support Israel and Netanyahu will have trouble recognizing their own pieces on the Pachesi board.
Can’t wait!! I sure hope Net hires Dersh.
Just in time for more revelations from Epstein’s black book (are you in hiding, Ehud Barak?).

Posted by: Jane | Jan 2 2024 18:18 utc | 50

Don @ 25
Thanks for that explanation.
So, who will be the instrument of divine punishment?
Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 2 2024 18:22 utc | 52

Can’t make this sh** up. I hope Finkelstein shows up as well just to glare at him.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 2 2024 17:11 utc | 30
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Me, too!
Tee hee!

Posted by: Jane | Jan 2 2024 18:25 utc | 54

Now he sees that Egypt and others aren’t playing along. He may still try to increase the pressure and suffering to a point where we feel like we’re committing genocide unless we agree to take a contingent of refugees. I believe this is where it is heading, to a point somewhere on the line between mass emigration and mass genocide.
Posted by: grunzt | Jan 2 2024 17:57 utc | 48
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This sure is what it looks like to me.
I hope the ICJ can make some meaningful moves soon that empower international bystanders to turn their “aghastness” into effective action to end the horror.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 2 2024 18:39 utc | 56

Excellent 1 hour interview on Yemen, Ansarallah’s history, and their support for Palestine w/ former PressTV reporter:
https://youtu.be/watch?v=jWUOyZTMSzI
(alternative)
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jWUOyZTMSzI

Posted by: Browser | Jan 2 2024 18:42 utc | 58

Do you think Salih Al-Aruri is pissed when he found out it was 72 goats?
Anyone here $5 million dollars richer?

Posted by: HH | Jan 2 2024 18:54 utc | 60

Further to my post Posted by: JB | Jan 2 2024 18:01 utc | 49
Hamas has acknowledged the loss of two battalion commanders, along with Al Arouri in tonight’s drone attack in Beirut:
‘The Islamic resistance movement Hamas also confirmed the news of al-Arouri’s martyrdom in a statement.
Hamas has also announced the martyrdom of two of the commanders of the Martyr Ezzedin al-Qassam battalions of the military branch of this movement in this attack.’
https://en.irna.ir/news/85341736/Deputy-head-of-Hamas-political-bureau-martyred-in-Israeli-regime-s

Posted by: JB | Jan 2 2024 19:01 utc | 62

reply to 2
It is a wonderment, just how much blackmail material the US has on people or other nations. We really can’t know. I knew a guy with a security clearance who said you can’t rise in US politics unless the Deep State has something on you. In the Cosa Nostra, you ‘make your bones’ and they have you for life. And it really gets rather ridiculous to witness public figures get attacked out of the blue, very conveniently, when they need to go. Every male on earth seems to have fondled/harassed/assaulted some female in the past and records kept. OTOH, did no one at Harvard know that Gay was a plagarist fake? How did that escape notice?
One good thing about the acceptance of gays in society? One less big thing to blackmail people for. No big deal anymore. Schumer told Trump they have ‘6 ways to Sunday’ to get you. Probably applies to support for Israel, too.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 2 2024 19:21 utc | 64

Re: Al-Qassem Drones
Suspect these were bought on blsvkmarket from IDF supply Sargents

Posted by: Exile | Jan 2 2024 19:28 utc | 66

“If 10 Palestinian men and 10 Israeli men go into a room, who is coming out?”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 2 2024 16:50 utc | 19
10 Palestinians and 10 recently converted Muslims.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 2 2024 19:33 utc | 68

We can discuss but Israel has clearly won. Poor Palestinians are genocided. There is no Arab resistance.

Posted by: zorge | Jan 2 2024 19:52 utc | 70

aristodemos | Jan 2 2024 17:16 utc | 34
I simply believe that most matters of politics and history are easily explained by persistent research and rational thought.
Most conpiracy theorists cut out the need either for knowing history or thinking logically- in the end the responsibility lies with evil lizards. It chimes with the lessons they were taught of Satanic power in Sunday School.
You deny your ideology by accusing any who disagree with you of being blinded by slavishly following the ideology which you have been taught all your life (it’s your ideology) is unworkable and evil in its consequences.
The surprising thing to me is that those who fall for every other conspiracy theory advanced utterly deny the fact that the prime beneficiaries of such thinking are the ruling class.For them to be accused of secretly conspiring to do whatever they choose is to be blamed for omnipotence, which is all that they desire. And which goes a long way to protecting their feet of clay from the justifiable anger of their victims-the 99%.
It is almost beyond their wildest dreams that there are those, like yourself, who exculpate them of any blame and attribute all the evil in the world to a handful of families, including the British Royal, the Rothschild and the Rockefellers. As they say in the Sweatshop Proprietors Club “That’s us off the hook then. ”

Posted by: bevin | Jan 2 2024 20:03 utc | 72

dpy | Jan 2 2024 17:16 utc | 33
*** Actually, the vast majority of the civilized population of the world is vehemently opposed both the the treatment of the Arab polulation of the area claimed by the Zionists and more recently and more vehemently the genocidal MURDER of said Arabs (and Christians and others). There is a certain, hard-to-understand hubris on the part of the Zionists at this time, but make no mistake – there will be “blowback”. What is happening is beyond the pale and will not be forgotten, ever. The Jews have lost their Victim Card. They have become interntional paraihs.***
But see, for instance, how almost all of a UK parliament continues to arse-lick the zionists regardless of their proven psychopathic depravity and blatantly persistent lies.
Not only that, but it assists in the genocide…..
And the present all-party warmongering is just the latest in a sequence of such behaviour.
Criminals like Blair, Boris and Cameron still at large, very influential…..
If they’d do that with regard to people abroad they’ve no excuse for hating, how extremely vicious are they likely to be when (if?) the British population finally gets off its knees to oppose their agenda?

Posted by: Cynic | Jan 2 2024 20:09 utc | 74

“4). It has been suggested that the Arab and Muslim worlds will forget this event, but why should that be, when even the massacre of the American Indians in setting up the US and other colonial settler states, though long in the past, and though with rather miniscule surviving indigenous populations, at least in the US, Canada, Argentina, and Uruguay, has not been forgotten at all and even now is coming back to bite?”
Posted by: Cabe | Jan 2 2024 18:23 utc | 54
Your posts are thoughtful, well written and informative; thank you.
However, when you refer to American Indians being genocided you have gone a bridge too far. Of the North American Indigenous peoples that died 95% of those deaths were from diseases not from white men killing the Indians.
“Infectious diseases had a profound historical impact on Native American populations beginning with the arrival of European settlers who introduced new diseases to previously native populations. During the initial phase of European colonization, infectious diseases were the primary killer among Native American communities. Infections ranging from smallpox, bubonic plague, chickenpox, cholera, the common cold, diphtheria, influenza, malaria, measles, scarlet fever, some sexually transmitted diseases, typhoid, typhus, tuberculosis, leptospirosis, and pertussis produced illness and extensive deaths. It is estimated that 95 percent of the indigenous populations in the Americas were killed by infectious diseases during the years following European colonization, amounting to an estimated 20 million people. While Europeans coming to the New World had herd immunity or were asymptomatic carriers of many of these diseases, Native American populations, who were being exposed to pathogens for the first time, experienced deadly epidemics. This has been termed the “Virgin Soil Effect”.(1)
1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8785365/

Posted by: canuck | Jan 2 2024 20:12 utc | 76

Bevin @1620
You have this idee’ fixe about “conspiracy theories”. Any major deviation from an “acceptable” narrative happens to consistently be a no-go zone with you. As an ideologue, you demonstrate all the makings of a gate-keeper.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 2 2024 17:16 utc | 34
Yes, bevin is a 100% ideologue that will do intellectual somersaults to keep any ‘narrative’ in his ‘ideological image’ . Yet, I will give him credit, he is a well read, clever fellow.
As a gate keeper he certainly has shown his stripes in that regard; he told posters that they should not ‘listen to me or another poster cause we were on (in his view) the wrong side of the Man Made Climate debate. Hence, instead of using fact and arguments to buttress his vague ideas he parrots simple ‘cancel culture’ characteristics which are, in my opinion, beneath him.
bevin’s blindness in not recognizing the City of London’s tentacles in the world severely impoverishes his world view.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 2 2024 20:24 utc | 78

@Posted by: Áobh O’Sheachnasaigh | Jan 2 2024 19:23 utc | 67
I do appreciate your comment.
My own view of the world and the people in it keeps getting “knocked for a loop”.
Also, the general reaction by the bar, thus far, to my post @1
has me doing yet another reassessment.
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I never thought it would be so easy to get Americans to support Nazis (Ukraine).
Early on I remember people saying, “but Zelensky is Jewish”.
One sentence. One sentence, that was all that it took.
Americans, who I could never imagine supporting Nazis, were all along only one sentence away from supporting Nazis.

Posted by: librul | Jan 2 2024 20:39 utc | 80

@Posted by: JB | Jan 2 2024 18:28 utc | 56

Why should anyone with a healthy head on their shoulders believe the NYT?
Why do those here who accept this version never mention other versions, like that the Israelis had some information, but dismissed it as impossible/improbable and when the attack happened – they were shocked and paralised so it took them a while to respond.

But *that is* the NYT version.
Limited Hangout:

According to Victor Marchetti, a former special assistant to the Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), a limited hangout is “spy jargon for a favorite and frequently used gimmick of the clandestine professionals. When their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting—sometimes even volunteering—some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case.

The NYT, acting as mouthpiece, explained it all away, saying that the IDF/Mossad had concluded that the Hamas plans were “aspirational”.
The question that hangs in the air is, why did the NYT’s source feel it was necessary to get ahead of the story.

Posted by: librul | Jan 2 2024 20:54 utc | 82

bevin’s blindness in not recognizing the City of London’s tentacles in the world severely impoverishes his world view.
Posted by: canuck | Jan 2 2024 20:24 utc | 80
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London is not the center of an international conspiracy to control the world, although some Brits would like it to be so. The UK is a broken down has been colonial power in its death throes: It has been since the end of WWII. Yes, it has a financial center where wealth passes through its banks: So What? In time, China will play the role of “international tentacles” to the world, as New York has done since WWII.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 2 2024 21:00 utc | 84

@Posted by: canuck | Jan 2 2024 21:11 utc | 87
This may amuse you.
Benjamin Franklin on the Rattlesnake as a Symbol of America

I recollected that her eye excelled in brightness, that of any other animal, and that she has no eye-lids. She may therefore be esteemed an emblem of vigilance. She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders: She is therefore an emblem of magnanimity and true courage. As if anxious to prevent all pretensions of quarreling with her, the weapons with which nature has furnished her, she conceals in the roof of her mouth, so that, to those who are unacquainted with her, she appears to be a most defenseless animal; and even when those weapons are shown and extended for her defense, they appear weak and contemptible; but their wounds however small, are decisive and fatal. Conscious of this, she never wounds ’till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her.

http://www.greatseal.com/symbols/rattlesnake.html

Posted by: librul | Jan 2 2024 21:24 utc | 86

“I work with Cree and Ojibwa in Northern Canada. They know their plants and medicines well.”
“…For example I was called a ‘duck leader’; cause a duck gets mad quickly then shakes it off right away; a goose is quiet and leads by example; an eagle is a decisive leader. It goes on”
Posted by: canuck | Jan 2 2024 21:11 utc | 87
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Thanks for that very interesting story about Native Canadians. I wonder, just as an aside, how the Native Canadian’s feel about lithium mining ⚒? Does mining affect the Cree or the Ojibwa in any significant way?

Posted by: Ed | Jan 2 2024 21:33 utc | 88

@Posted by: canuck | Jan 2 2024 21:11 utc | 87
Some decades ago I attended a weekend meditation instruction.
Somewhere in there the host had us meditate on being open to our “spirit animal”.
I was hoping for a black stallion, but all I got was a youngish porcupine.
Was crest fallen until someone in the group, who had some sort of list, piped
in that that was a good one.
Years later I was hiking (trespassing) on the grounds of a Maharishi Yogi Health Center.
In a small stand of pines not far from their front door I saw waddling along a youngish
porcupine. It was generally heading towards their door. “Hmm…maybe I should check out a treatment
there sometime”. Never did.

Posted by: librul | Jan 2 2024 21:37 utc | 90

I recommend for your viewing
The Spider’s Web: Britain’s Second Empire, written and directed by Michael Oswald.
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/spider-web-britain-second-empire/
Posted by: Jane | Jan 2 2024 21:34 utc | 91
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Thank you, Jane, for your comment, and yes, I will look into it.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 2 2024 21:41 utc | 92

Posted by: Greater Israel | Jan 2 2024 15:48 utc | 4
Legataries err, can I suggest you get off your electronic device and go die for your zionazi overlords instead of wasting precious seconds of our lives with your Nazi death-squad boosterism?

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 2 2024 22:04 utc | 94

I will look into it.
Posted by: Ed | Jan 2 2024 21:41 utc | 94
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This excellent documentary was made (so I heard) on a minuscule budget of ca. 4,000 pounds—another good reason to add to the number of total views!
Oswald has another documentary out that covers some of the same ground but with an emphasis on the true sources of corruption of governments and the part played by offshore financial havens etc. in making possible the theft of the wealth of developing nations.
“Behind Closed Doors,”
https://braveneweurope.com/michael-oswald-behind-closed-doors

Posted by: Jane | Jan 2 2024 22:06 utc | 96

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 2 2024 16:17 utc | 10
I think the ‘nice’ ones are really not as “nice” as we’d like to think, nor the ‘good’ ones as “good”.
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Many rehearse the notion Edwin Black wrote about, that zionists and NSDAP coordinated to enable German Jews to migrate to Palestine/Israel.
A closer, careful reading reveals that: (1) Jews in USA were the most powerful entity to advocate for WWI; but that (2) Jews in USA were in two (major) divided groups, German Jews — older in USA, and Eastern European Jews — relative newcomers, abhorrent to many German Jews.
Each group had its own organization: American Jewish COMMITTEE — the older, German Jewish group; and American Jewish CONGRESS, founded in 1916 by Stephen Wise (main acolyte to Louis Brandeis, de facto leader of zionism worldwide and a major behind-the-scenes force urging US involvement in WWI and WWII).
Although the two groups held strongly different opinions about the Jewish position on WWI and especially Jewish demands at Versailles, In Edwin Black’s book, Transfer Agreement, he states that the two groups came together and advocated FOR the zionist agenda: “Jews emerged from Versailles with a dual triumph: the Jewish homeland in Palestine, AND protection of Jews in all nations where they dwelt.”
The point is: ALL Jews came together to put their combined force between the Versailles/zionist agenda.
There was no “loyal opposition.”

Posted by: ChasMark | Jan 2 2024 22:20 utc | 98

@ Jane | Jan 2 2024 22:06 utc | 98
i have also watched that documentary too and recommend it as well.. on finances ‘princes of the yen’ is very very good.. it is also done by michael oswald. short of that, i highly recommend the book ‘confessions of an economic hit man’ by john perkins..
Princes of the Yen | Documentary Film

Posted by: james | Jan 2 2024 22:37 utc | 100