Posted by: Honzo | Jan 18 2024 0:02 utc | 169
The Brits are sending DU shells to Ukraine, ..
Posted by: Sam | Jan 18 2024 18:05 utc | 25
“…the UK is hated. Lots of countries would like to see it broken up….
“….the UK’s reaction to this isolation was a series of increasingly wild moves to try to gain relevance.
“The UK was out in front in declaring China a threat and an enemy,
Posted by: San | Jan 18 2024 18:06 utc | 26
British mentality actually controls U.S. foreign policy. Tom Luongo seems to think so.
“The three most important groups who have been pressing this country toward war are the British, the Jewish, and the Roosevelt administration.
https://www.southfront.press/uk-flew-50-surveillance-mission-
over-gaza-report/
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2024 20:28 utc | 47
The Brits seem to be the main driver,
<= Where ever there is war and pillage, UK is usually found to be the initiating culprit.

Posted by: snake | Jan 19 2024 1:24 utc | 104

Jane | Jan 19 2024 0:12 utc | 97–
Thanks for your reply. I’ve long desired English CC for Kremlin events. The English Kremlin site doesn’t even provide the Russian language videos and the transcripts are often abridged, while not all events get posted, which is why I go to the Russian sites. There are a slew of voice/video translation apps available, but I’ve yet to try one. Print for my purposes works best. The awards video featured just Putin and the Grand Winner. The others on stage spoke, but weren’t recorded.
Thanks for taking the time to read my output. Many recent things have been rather long, but readers still open them and read, although I don’t know how much is read.
juliania | Jan 19 2024 0:57 utc | 100–
Thanks for your reply. I agree with your desire to see that sort of spiritual resurrection here along the lines of the Social Gospel Movement of 100 years ago, but a great deal will need to change.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 19 2024 1:52 utc | 106

Posted by: bevin | Jan 19 2024 1:17 utc | 103
1/ Honzo as I recently pointed out elsewhere the centennial of Lenin’s death is the coming Sunday. Am I alone in thinking that nothing could be more powerful evidence of his continued importance than the failure of everyone to mention this important anniversary. I hope that nobody reads Materialism and Empirio Criticism as result of this.
No worries here in USA, the educational system has been so thoroughly trashed that not many people could understand it.

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 19 2024 2:08 utc | 108

The Australian Aboriginals peoples. Archaeological evidence dates back 50-60 thousand years. To get here, they had to cross open ocean, the deep straight the divide Eurasian mammals and Australian marsupials. They had to cross it with sufficient numbers and DNA to populate whatever Australia was called then, a far larger land mass that included New Guinea and Tasmania and much continental shelf. And that would have been much earlier than current recorded artifacts in current Australia. How? Can’t happen by a few fishermen getting blown away.
Oldest dugout canoe to date was found in the Baltic, dated to 13000 years. Before the great sea level rise. Very rare to find wooden artifacts that old. How old are dugout canoes? Polynesians navigated the pacific in dugout canoes. Dating indicates Polynesians populated the pacific islands about 3.5 thousand years ago. They could read the sea and by waves, currents and other signs new there was land in a certain direction even if they were days away from it. On one island, I forget where, one far older skeleton has been found.
The polygonal stone building/walls. Perfect joints. nobody knows who built them. South America, Easter Island, Mediterranean all exactly the same.
Writing developed in different civilizations all with a different style so each developed independently of each other. Writing is a natural follow on to rock painting. Written language is only very recent.
Stone works are far, far older. Göbekli Tepe. 13,000 years. So what happened? A group of hunters sitting around banging rocks to make a few spear points and the one day one says – eff it. I gonna carve a stone crucifix and decorate it with carvings, but I’m gonna do it right and leave the decorations as reliefs? Bullshit. There had to be evolution to get to that stage. 13,000 years. Like the canoe – before the great sea level rise.
The massive carved perfectly finished stone, no matter how old or how recent there had to be a massive abundance of food to supply the man house required. That work cannot be done by slaves quickly worked to death. It is done by craftsmen that began learning their trade as boys, be they slaves or whatever, and like any working animal, they have to be kept in good working condition. All these works occurred in the ice age warm belt be they recent or old. Move into northern Europe where it is colder and the stone is carved. Far less man hours, far less food required.
Saw marks and core drill marks both in Egypt and south America. One researcher demonstrated rock sawing with a copper crosscut saw. A copper core drill will work in the same way.
The great pyramid in Egypt. Relevantly recent. Much about it was recorded included time to build but not how.
Göbekli Tepe – the hands. Easter Island the hands. Different times, different places but the same. Something that can be carried in common memory. Oral history stories and such.
You look at technologies like the bow. From southern Africa, across Eurasia, through the Americas through the pacific islands – but it bypassed Australia.
The later peoples to come out of Africa – one group or many – somewhere in that culture was something that drove them to waste time on massive stones at different times and in different parts of the world, but in many areas, common technologies can be seen – so much the same it is doubtful they were devolved independently of each other.
A commonality of culture across the Bearing strait. Dwellings and so forth. Cone stick frame covered in skin. Arctic peoples of eastern Russia roughly 45 degrees, plains Indians of US 60 degrees.
Built one one time When camping at the beach or just behind the beach. Had taken on old truck tarp to string up but it was stormy and that didn’t cut it. Bought some cheap plastic tarp from the hardware, went up into the greeny nature reserve and cut some 4.5 meter sticks and set it up at 60 degrees. dead easy to build. Couple of square tarps wrapped around easy, no pegs. close the top and light a charcoal fire and nice and warm. warms up through the day, open the top and door and the invection fan turns on.
But back to ..
Cultures merge. southern Americas stone culture and the Bearing Strait culture.
The southern Americas west coast and inland a bit have a commonality with the wider Mediterranean region not the Bearing Strait lot.
What I haven’t been able to find is a bathometric map that show the under water achipeligo that runs from roughly east new guinea/french Polynesia, around through Pitcairn, Easter Island to Peru. That if it existed at lower sea levels is the link in large stone building.
Oral history is key to going back past written history. In places where writing developed those oral histories were written down. karlof1s comment some days ago about the oral history in his part of the woods triggered a lot of thought as Australian Aboriginal history is the same. Where that can be dated, it goes back to the great climate/sea level rise event. It is when the megafauna of eastern Russia, north America And Australia died off. Like the Sahara, savanas became deserts and sea levels rose. Climate changed everywhere causing both droughts and floods, perhaps dependent on region as to which.
Extremely tough times for the peoples of the day. Condition which only some of the young adults in their prime will survive. The children will perish, the old – the keepers of history- will die and history is lost.
The Bearing Straight connection and the Pacific stone culture connection. Ancient sea travel as proved by the Australian aboriginal people. Already developed by 13,000 BP stone working technology as proved by Göbekli Tepe.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2024 2:50 utc | 110

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2024 23:01 utc | 86
You have made me smile, Peter AU1. Keep on keeping on!

Posted by: juliania | Jan 19 2024 3:04 utc | 112

Peter AU1@111….the migration ‘out of Africa’ is an agenda driven, well controlled theory.
Who says the Aborigines of Australia didn’t evolve right there. No migration required. Beaver Creek peoples of interior BC state they were always on Turtle Island. No Oral traditions of migration.
Not to distract from the topic, but the academic story of man is tightly controlled to demonstrate a ‘we were first movement’….’it’s all ours’, especially when one tosses in eschatological ‘theories’ of God and it’s benevolence to bestow ownership of the planet to a group of narcissistic psychopaths.
Not saying while Ice Sheets were bigger, ocean levels were lower, migration didn’t occur, but humans were well established before that. High functioning, ocean faring humans have been on the planet for a very long time.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 19 2024 4:09 utc | 114

scorpion@2214
The tenor of “vanguard of the proletariat” has always stuck in my craw. Milovan Djilas in his “The New Class” delineated how this transmutation of revolutionaries and guerrillas into apparatchiks and faceless bureaucrats driving nice new automobiles reflected the insights of Tito’s original #2 in postwar Yugoslavia. Seems that there are genuine leaders and then there are “new boss, same as the old boss”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 19 2024 4:31 utc | 116

Moonie@2306
Of Klaus Schwab becomes laudatory, I become cynical and suspicious.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 19 2024 4:50 utc | 118

Snake @124
Centers of the British government are quite proximate to that independent little entity known mainly locally as “The City”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 19 2024 5:04 utc | 120

sean the leprechaun | Jan 19 2024 4:09 utc | 115
Don’t agree with your fist two paragraphs. In the so called professional archaeology there is a huge amount of group think plus the aspect of everything they find must fit within the box of what they have been taught. Few in any professions can see outside those boxes. It is not a political thing. Its across the board.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2024 5:09 utc | 122

Honzo@122
Zinger!!!

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 19 2024 5:15 utc | 124

I see that our pop is up to his usual trick, ‘agreeing’, ‘thanking’ all around to curry favor.
Just to remind newbie here,
When the pop popped up in 2002, his very first posts were to champion TW’s right to self determination, for good measure, the pop declared , Chinese claim to TW is pure hypocrisy.
Oh, his equally inane soul mate the anton mouthing his usual rubbish !
Comparing a Chinese province to sovereign states like Lanka, Maldize. !
PS
Do not feed the troll , but pop is different, he’s kinda cult figure at the bar, some of his disciple even threatened murder to avenge his gawd’s humiliation.
Posted by: denk | Jan 15 2024 3:48 utc | 95

I had difficulty discerning whether it was Scorpion or Pacifica Advocate whom denk was referring to as pop, but now I am beginning to strongly suspect it is Scorpion. The user referred to as anton is undoubtedly Antonym.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Jan 19 2024 5:55 utc | 126

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2024 22:37 utc | 83
This comment is a good example of why reading and understanding theory is important instead of relying on the twisted descriptions provided by barflies who bear ill will and grudges against communism.
China is a communist country through and through. China’s economic development is at the primary stage of socialism, as affirmed by President Xi Jinping. China’s goal is to transition to the later stages of socialism and eventually communism. Now, this may confuse some barflies, but having capitalist elements in its economy does not turn China into a semi-capitalist country.
Let’s go all the way back to Mao’s On State Captialism, published July 9, 1953:

The present-day capitalist economy in China is a capitalist economy which for the most part is under the control of the People’s Government and which is linked with the state-owned socialist economy in various forms and supervised by the workers. It is not an ordinary but a particular kind of capitalist economy, namely, a state-capitalist economy of a new type. It exists not chiefly to make profits for the capitalists but to meet the needs of the people and the state. True, a share of the profits produced by the workers goes to the capitalists, but that is only a small part, about one quarter, of the total. The remaining three quarters are produced for the workers (in the form of the welfare fund), for the state (in the form of income tax) and for expanding productive capacity (a small part of which produces profits for the capitalists). Therefore, this state-capitalist economy of a new type takes on a socialist character to a very great extent and benefits the workers and the state.

China did not suddenly turn capitalist with Deng’s reform and opening up in 1978. China remained just as communist now as it was back in Mao’s time.
Communist countries relying on the capitalist mode of production isn’t something unique to China. The Soviet Union relied on it as well. Let’s look at Lenin’s New Economic Policy published on October 17, 1921:

Get down to business, all of you! You will have capitalists beside you, including foreign capitalists, concessionaires and leaseholders. They will squeeze profits out of you amounting to hundreds per cent; they will enrich themselves, operating alongside of you. Let them. Meanwhile you will learn from them the business of running the economy, and only when you do that will you be able to build up a communist republic. Since we must necessarily learn quickly, any slackness in this respect is a serious crime. And we must undergo this training, this severe, stern and sometimes even cruel training, because we have no other way out.

Communism is not totalitarianism or authoritarianism or whatever bullcrap made up concept that liberals use to smear communism.
The central feature of a communist country is whether the workers own the means of production, whether it is a dictatorship of the proletariat (as opposed to dictatorships of the bourgeoisie which all current liberal democracies belong to).

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Jan 19 2024 6:30 utc | 128

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Jan 19 2024 5:53 utc | 126
I think you will find that unlike China and Russia, where precision of language is valued, in the Anglosphere, we are resolutely opposed to ‘the rectification of names.’ We pride ourselves on the ability to call a freedom fighter a terrorist, a terrorist a freedom fighter, and a man a woman (and make people believe it). If we were to start calling things by their proper names, the entire system would collapse overnight.

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 19 2024 7:09 utc | 130

Right I forgot about the climate change psychological operation. That’s one of the biggest ones. I googled the composition of the Earth’s atmosphere. National geographic said it was 78% nitrogen, 16% oxygen 5% argon, and the last one percent was composed of other gases like methane carbon dioxide helium etc etc. and everyone is all concerned with carbon dioxide and methane which is less than 1% of the Earth’s atmosphere yet, apparently this is a big concern. Plants require carbon dioxide to make photosynthesis and grow. If they don’t get it they do not grow. The hysteria around carbon dioxide is obviously very very overblown and designed to scare the people that do not understand the composition of the Earth’s atmosphere. It just comes down to how you want to live your life. Do you want to wake up and be scared everyday? The best idea is not to believe the hype or anything that the mainstream media says and live your life to the fullest and there is no reason to be scared about a thing. Take your mask off breathe the fresh air.
If you got more psyops let me know. Thx

Posted by: Diego | Jan 19 2024 7:31 utc | 132

Some reality checks about the performance of the US Army in WW1 and WW2.
The Slaughter of the Yanks in 1918
American Military Disasters in 1942
The Bloody 1944 Crusade in Europe
Why a US Army Division was Overrun in 1944
The Disastrous Liberation of the Philippines
The US way of war has been to bring overwhelming amounts of air power, artillery and men to blow the opposition away. That option is not available against the Russians and Chinese.

Posted by: Roger | Jan 19 2024 8:02 utc | 134

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 19 2024 7:57 utc | 134
Excuse the repetition but this more than illustrates why Lavrov is correct regarding western elites, Atlanticists, Anglozionists, imperialist neoliberal warmongers. NATO = United States and its vassals who are bullied into buying weapons and hosting United States military bases, nuclear weapons. Here’s a list of United States overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government) from William Blum.
* China 1949 to early 1960s
* Albania 1949-53
* East Germany 1950s
* Iran 1953 *
* Guatemala 1954 *
* Costa Rica mid-1950s
* Syria 1956-7
* Egypt 1957
* Indonesia 1957-8
* British Guiana 1953-64 *
* Iraq 1963 *
* North Vietnam 1945-73
* Cambodia 1955-70 *
* Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
* Ecuador 1960-63 *
* Congo 1960 *
* France 1965
* Brazil 1962-64 *
* Dominican Republic 1963 *
* Cuba 1959 to present
* Bolivia 1964 *
* Indonesia 1965 *
* Ghana 1966 *
* Chile 1964-73 *
* Greece 1967 *
* Costa Rica 1970-71
* Bolivia 1971 *
* Australia 1973-75 *
* Angola 1975, 1980s
* Zaire 1975
* Portugal 1974-76 *
* Jamaica 1976-80 *
* Seychelles 1979-81
* Chad 1981-82 *
* Grenada 1983 *
* South Yemen 1982-84
* Suriname 1982-84
* Fiji 1987 *
* Libya 1980s
* Nicaragua 1981-90 *
* Panama 1989 *
* Bulgaria 1990 *
* Albania 1991 *
* Iraq 1991
* Afghanistan 1980s *
* Somalia 1993
* Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
* Ecuador 2000 *
* Afghanistan 2001 *
* Venezuela 2002 *
* Iraq 2003 *
* Haiti 2004 *
* Somalia 2007 to present
* Honduras 2009 *
* Libya 2011 *
* Syria 2012
* Ukraine 2014 *

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 19 2024 8:12 utc | 136

@ Lev Davidovich | Jan 19 2024 8:12 utc | 137
Nah. I was very specific in what I said, and I stand by it.
Please don’t verbal me, and try to change what I said.
which is here Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 19 2024 8:06 utc | 136
and here Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 19 2024 7:57 utc | 134

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 19 2024 8:18 utc | 138

“In Iran’s strike on Pakistan, 9 Pakistani citizens were killed.
And in Pakistan’s strike on Iran, 10 Pakistani citizens were killed.
Iran and Pakistan killed 19 Pakistani nationals.
The Taliban called on the parties to stop killing Pakistani citizens.
Usual news for 2024”. – Col Cassad

Posted by: Suresh | Jan 19 2024 9:26 utc | 140

Petar AU,
Time for you to get acquantined with Mau Piailug – without his knowledge and teaching the Polynesian Way of Navigation would be lost forever.
As the grandson of a at least tenth generation old style craftsman, who spent every summer as a child working in his workshop…….yes, most office workers and academics can’t fathom actually making things by hand. In the U.S. back in the day – we used to learn how to make things puttering around in the garage with Dad or our buddies. That culture lives on only in farming communities and small towns.

Posted by: Exile | Jan 19 2024 11:21 utc | 142

Posted by: Diego | Jan 19 2024 7:31 utc | 133 and 132 (and some others)
…….I googled the composition of the Earth’s atmosphere. National geographic said it was 78% nitrogen, 16% oxygen 5% argon, and the last one percent was composed of other gases like methane carbon dioxide helium etc etc.
I will not reply to this in detail because -despite some half- truths stated by Diego the ramifications of small increases in carbon dioxide and methane are far more profound than their very modest values might imply. Without getting technical (anyone can Google greenhouse effect) the main problem this planet is facing at present is not so much the absolute atmospheric concentrations of the main greenhouse gasses but the rate at which they are increasing.
If you want a simple analogy, imagine a modest mortgage of (say) $100,000 with a fixed interest rate of (say) 1% over (say) a 15 year period. For most mortgagees this would ordinarily be perfectly manageable enabling payment of accrued interest and original capital in a timely -and relatively painless-fashion.
But suppose that the lending institution decided to raise the interest rate to an additional 1% each year some of the mortgage was outstanding. Without any controls on the interest debt the average person would be quickly “swamped” and be compelled to default. I realise that this analogy is very rough and ready, but it makes sense if you think of the incremental increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide as being the interest rate hikes, and the resulting increased payments required being responsible for enhancing the heat trapping potential of the global atmosphere.
In short, without drastically controlling the rate of green house gas emissions we are fated with an increase in overall planetary temperatures with the consequences for climate change – mostly adverse.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 19 2024 11:36 utc | 144

US foreign policy including your list is NOT the West for 80 years!
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 19 2024 11:39 utc | 146
Well if it’s not the west for 80 years, please tell me what that list of CIA actions represents. I know we’ve had movies and world series and apple pie I.e culture during that time.
Lavrov is FM he’s going to refer to geopolitical foreign policy, not culture for example.
Sorry I read your words several times but I still apparently don’t get what you’re trying to say.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 19 2024 11:46 utc | 146

Exile | Jan 19 2024 11:21 utc | 143
Thanks for the name. Have gained a bit of an overview from the wiki page and certainly what I am thinking about. Will have to research him more.
This from wiki.
“At the age of four or five, Mau was chosen by his grandfather Raangipi to study as an apprentice navigator”
Up until just very recently, that his how all skilled craftsmen/tradesmen learnt their trade. A 12-15 year apprenticeship or longer. By the time they become a master they are exceptionally skilled and this carries down through the generations for millennia.
I watched a relatively large telescope lens being made by hand on youtube some time back. He was an academic but very skilled with his hands. Started and finished with nothing but two piece of glass and various grades of grit from roughing out to polishing.
When he stated getting close with the roughing out, he would hold it up to the sun and check the focal length adjusting radius of the part sphere concave to the focal length he wanted.
In just a few days he turned a thick flat sheet of glass into a perfectly focused telescope lens with nothing but another smaller circle of flat glass and some carborundum grit of various grades.
I have seen very old stones checked with a flatness tester and the have a higher degree of flatness than current window glass. Yo create a perfectly flat surface, it is a simple mater to find three relatively flat stones, use some sand for grit and start rubbing. Rubbing using the right combinations of the three stones and correct rubbing patterns. I haven’t seen it done, but it is exactly the same as creating the telescope lens. Depending on size and amount of material to be removed, a good craftsman would create three perfectly flat plates in just a day or two.
In this way, although more skill required, the perfect seems in very old stoneworks can be achieved. Heating quenching, pounding can be used to remove bulk material the the above rubbing skills to achieve final sizing. But the skills required to work complex pieces in a similar manner only comes from a very long apprenticeship.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2024 12:07 utc | 148

The chair of the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee on Thursday asked Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin to testify before the panel over the failure to timely disclose his recent hospitalization, even to President Joe Biden.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 19 2024 12:46 utc | 150

aristodemos@124….thanks for the Hancock mention, wiki does quite the hatchet job on him…….so right there, there is smoke….besides, anything outside the Academic norm shakes the ‘out of Africa’ megalomaniacs to their control freak core.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 19 2024 15:37 utc | 152

sean the leprechaun | Jan 19 2024 15:37 utc | 153
The core of pentagon bioweapon development is genetic targeting. They have acquired dna from around the world to see what gentic group is susceptible to what pathogen and what genetic group has resistance to what pathogen.
Sufficient DNA to roughly trace migrations and which people came from which.
Much non DNA evidence also helps. DNA migration patterns will be in the ballpark. Parts of it may be found wrong and changed at a later date but overall…
Then there is the matter of looking at the peoples who have a very wide range of DNA and the start point will be in that vicinity.
The European wild cattle that are the foundation of all European domestic cattle are now extinct but the wild cattle that form the Asian domestic breeds still exist and they will carry the full range of DNA from all the domestic cattle breeds.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2024 15:58 utc | 154

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Jan 19 2024 5:53 utc | 126
Although playfully using the translator, I seriously hoped you could use my list to clarify. When you say ‘there is only one china’ which of the types I put out there do you mean? (Sounds like all PRC #2.)
The poster known as denk, who knows no nuance and frequently lies, believes I ‘champion’ Taiwanese independence but I just wondered out loud why they don’t decide by referendum like recently in Donbass. I still wonder. You might suspect I have a big agenda against communism but no more than I do against capitalism and socialism. (Am an equal opportunity cynic.)
Since China is back to being a world leader and her centralized, authoritarian anti-religious one-party system may soon be adopted by much of the world (as larger populations are understandably dysfunctional under multiparty systems), I have questions.
Now I also have doubts about communism, but not from any nationalist or ethnic concerns, rather because capitalism, communism and socialism derive from a modernist ‘scientific’ mindset, sometimes called reductive materialism, which am personally convinced provides an overly narrow bandwidth through which to view human life and society and which has been spawning an overly mechanistic culture worldwide, as much in China as the US (an almost failed state with nuclear armaments).
Many get emotional and even hostile when doubts or questions are raised. It’s a somewhat boorish approach to friendly conversation, but here we are.
I say: may the views and being of ‘All under Heaven’ be welcome!!
Please understand: I don’t have a dog in the fight at all. I just find most articles about the subject matter more confusing than clarifying.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 19 2024 16:29 utc | 156

Moonie@1629
And here I thought the statement would be self-evident. I did hit the wrong key on the very first word, perhaps that was confusing. Instead of “of” the correct word is “if”. “laudatory” may be sussed from a brief dip into a dictionary.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 19 2024 16:34 utc | 158

Moonie@1628
No directly materialist explanation is required at this time as to the how-did-they-do-it on the part of pre Younger Dryas catastrophe civilizations. We simply do not know the “mechanisms” which may or may not have been mechanical or any other formulation currently in use.
We are historically and culturally suffering from a serious case of amnesia.
What we do know for a fact is that those “reductionistic materialists” Scorpion cited, are both ignorant and arrogant in their know it all presumptions. Fact is…when it comes to ancient mysteries…they don’t know shit.”copper tools” indeed.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 19 2024 16:42 utc | 160

Peter1AU@1058
Highly respect your delving into oral traditions, fleshing it out with specifics and all. On this particular platform you appear to have become the resident expert on that area of knowledge.
That said, you really do try and find some time to explore Hancock’s books and/or the several podcasts in which he has been interviewed/featured. Along with numerous geologists and their scientific understanding of the age of the Sphinx; Hancock essentially shitcans the archeologist claque of dimwitted academicist reductionists…and as can be expected, they detest him as he demolishes their carefully curated suppositions, such as the Great Pyramid of Giza having been built by some Pharaoh as his friggen TOMB…ridiculous on the face of it if one dares to question the materialistic narrative.
Academic dogmatism is a subject desperately needful of a total deconstruction. Essentially they are “scientific” materialist ideologues…AND they are in charge of “higher” edumacasion.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 19 2024 16:58 utc | 162

Moonie | Jan 19 2024 16:28 utc | 156
The solar system gadget reqires nothing more than a good knowledge of the solar system and mathematics. Both were present within early written history. It does not require exacting tolerances. In WWII, aircraft fuel pumps mating surfaces were and scraped to give a gasket free seal. Even today, high precision lathe or milling machine beds and slides are first precision ground then taken to a higher precision by hand scraping.
That instrument takes some ingenuity but not absolute precision in tolerance.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2024 17:03 utc | 164

” Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 19 2024 5:13 utc | 124
“None of todays purely techno/mechanical “marvels” can achieve theGreat Pyramid’s construction, the stonework of Macchu Pichu or Baalbeck.

Back in the 80’s someone developed a type of sandstone-lyme concrete from studying the Giza pyramid. He believes that it was all made of concrete poured block by block in situ which is why the inter-block tolerances are laser thin. In other words, the stones were not cut and dragged by slaves on logs for hundreds of miles.
I have enjoyed your posts about this Peter AU, especially regarding apprenticeship training and hand skills. I recently constructed a small woodworking workshop in which will soon mainly use hand tools to build most of the furniture in a new house built slowly with retirement income the past two years. I had an organic brick oven bakery a while back and made all the bread by hand without a mixer, though I did use a machine to fresh grind grains into flour. It actually took me less work time to make the traditional doughs without a mechanical mixer though the dough needed twelve hours to soak before adding the starter instead of 10 minutes with the mixer – albeit the lack of slow soaking makes the final bread bad for the digestion and immune system. Funny how that works; in so many cases, the old ways, by hand, are better.
In Tibetan Dzogchen histories they have names and locations going back to around 18,000 BC in areas near Ur and Swat, Afghanistan. (No floods up there maybe!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 19 2024 17:15 utc | 166

aristodemos | Jan 19 2024 16:58 utc | 163
For me, going through academic archaeology is like sorting the treasures from the dogma and group think. Somewhat similar of after having lived most my life under cold war propaganda, having to put it all aside and start again from scratch to sort fact from fiction.
I will have to keep Hancock in mind to study more. At the moment I have just watched one video where he pointed out a few of the questions on the Turkish site. He seems to look at it in a similar manner to me.
Stoneworking other than napping cutting edges and points certainly predates the great climate change, the skills and crafts necessary for precision monolithic rock work appears to straddle the climate change yet that knowledge has been lost.
Boat building, navigation interest me greatly which would help make the connections that span the pacific but dont run around the Bearing Strait. That nam Exile gave me goes a long way towards that, aqnd from there looked into the boats. One with solid hulls and a platform lashed on. so long as the lashings held, capable of sailing any ocean and unsinkable hulls. not only that, a natural progression from a simple raft of logs lashed together.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2024 17:35 utc | 168

The poster known as denk, who knows no nuance and frequently lies, believes I ‘champion’ Taiwanese independence but I just wondered out loud why they don’t decide by referendum like recently in Donbass. I still wonder. You might suspect I have a big agenda against communism but no more than I do against capitalism and socialism. (Am an equal opportunity cynic.)
Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 19 2024 16:29 utc | 157
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If only, if only...
When was the last you time you ‘wondered’ about

Why cant the Chagosians go back to their home ?
Why cant the Ryuku Ren get back their ancestral homes from the occupying gring ?
Why are gringo boots still in Iraq, Syria, ?
Why is there no global outrage on genocides in India, ?

Just to name a few…

Posted by: denk | Jan 19 2024 17:44 utc | 170

Moonie@156…. that’d be a handy wee device to use for plotting tides…
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 19 2024 18:14 utc | 172

Since China is back to being a world leader and her centralized, authoritarian anti-religious one-party system may soon be adopted by much of the world (as larger populations are understandably dysfunctional under multiparty systems), I have questions.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 19 2024 16:29 utc | 157
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That is a much diluted version, lets see the original
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The fate of America is being made in China, our role model for all things dystopian.
An economic and political powerhouse that owns more of America’s debt than any other country and is buying up American businesses across the spectrum, China is a vicious totalitarian regime that routinely employs censorship, surveillance, and brutal police state tactics to intimidate its populace, maintain its power, and expand the largesse of its corporate elite.
Where China goes, the United States eventually follows. This way lies outright tyranny.

Care to substantiate your claim , prof ?

Posted by: denk | Jan 19 2024 18:25 utc | 174

China anti regions
Posted by: denk | Jan 19 2024 17:27 utc | 168
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anti religions. !

Posted by: denk | Jan 19 2024 18:31 utc | 176

copied from two discussions back — would have been more appropriate here (sorry, didn’t notice there was a new “open”)
unimperator | Jan 19 2024 12:32 utc | 128
***.. now we heard the only steel plant in UK run by Tata Steel is being shut down.***
Which will pretty much terminate (already rotted) Britain as a serious country.
Incidentally. there is supposedly a shortage of general-practice doctors in the UK … but it turns out there actually is not — rather,the government has prevented fully qualified from taking such posts, and is instead imposing non-doctors in the guise of doctors.
Likewise, in the 1990s several good UK dental schools were shut down. No sensible reason was offered. As a result, a massive shortage of dentists even in the private sector. Now guess what the fake “opposition” Party has announced as one of its top election policies — tooth-brushing lessons in primary schools.
And, amidst the increasing mess, there is still huge immigration (illegal and legal) into an already unsustainable country.
Why have the Political Establishment spent decades systematically destroying the country and its native population?
Perhaps copying the Political Establishment’s masters in the USA … but why?

Posted by: Cynic | Jan 19 2024 18:49 utc | 178

PeterAU –
A oft hilarious thread about a utterly hopeless blue water sailor in his 60s who over many years entertained the professional sailing world with his bumbling voyages. The first post of the thread:

Have you ever wondered (hypothetically) just how far you could go if you set sail one day and headed out over the horizon in a Craiglist special 4ksb with almost no preparation? Well…now you dont have to because three weeks ago this Russian immigrant, Rimas Meleshyus, left Oak Harbor, Washington in an old San Juan 24 he bought for $500 the month before.
Where is he headed? Around the world…via Cape Horn. He has no autopilot or self steering, no communications equipment other than a handheld VHF. He has two ancient handheld gps units, 85 gallons of water and a boatload of food. Despite everyone telling him this was probably a bad idea, he left determined to follow his dream.

https://forums.sailinganarchy.com/threads/sailing-around-the-world-in-a-san-juan-24.149798/

Posted by: Exile | Jan 19 2024 19:51 utc | 180

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 19 2024 16:52 utc | 162
IMO, my interpretation is much better: The UN Charter was broken at the outset ….
The main issues all relate to Decolonization which the Plunderers didn’t want to allow, and so their crimes/outlawry. However, from the POV of the Colonized, they were continuing to be denied the Four Freedoms for which WW2 was fought, and not just denied but killed in massive numbers–very much like Gaza today.

Something ‘broken from the outset’ was never properly made. I believe it was a con job from the beginning – at least by movers and shakers in the mix able to make it so. The aspiration of a ‘united nations’ creating a peaceful world is admirable but the devil, as always, is in the procedural details.
Re: “the Four Freedoms for which WW2 was fought.” A novel theory. Care to explain?
My impression is that it was the same old BS all over again. I guess the root question there goes back to why on earth WWI happened and especially why so many nations from all over the world got involved in it. (Have you seen the recently developed colour photographs of all the various regiments from all over the world? Hundreds of different national and regimental outfits. Heartbreaking.) WWII was just a continuation of that initial disaster, the repercussions of which are still playing out today including the Ukrainian SMO and the massacres in Gaza.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 19 2024 20:03 utc | 182

@Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 19 2024 20:03 utc | 183

My impression is that it was the same old BS all over again. I guess the root question there goes back to why on earth WWI happened and especially why so many nations from all over the world got involved in it. (Have you seen the recently developed colour photographs of all the various regiments from all over the world? Hundreds of different national and regimental outfits. Heartbreaking.) WWII was just a continuation of that initial disaster, the repercussions of which are still playing out today including the Ukrainian SMO and the massacres in Gaza.

The success of Germany in the 2nd, scientific, industrial revolution challenged the power of the UK and its Empire. The mad dash by everyone to industrialize after the UK gained so much relative power from the first industrial revolution also destabilized the European balance of power. The working class were also very troubling to those in power, and a good little war would help quieten their demands. All involved expected a quickish war, not the grinding industrialized slaughter that ensued. It was a tinder box ready to go off, with some help from the British (driving an armaments race) and bad decision making.
Once war broke out, the Empire nations (UK, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany) called upon all of their colonies and smaller white settler spin-offs (Canada, Australia, New Zealand), massively increasing the number of countries/colonies involved. The US fully supplied the UK and France while respecting the blockade of Germany, and extended huge amounts of loans to the UK. When it looked like the war would end in a way very bad for the US bankers, Wilson dragged the US into the war.
Alexander Anievas wrote a good book on the impact of industrialization upon the European balance of power and increasing tensions, and the increasing class conflict “Capital, the State, and War: Class Conflict and Geopolitics in the Thirty Years’ Crisis, 1914-1945”.

Posted by: Roger | Jan 19 2024 20:29 utc | 184

Eighthman | Jan 18 2024 20:50 utc | 52
*** What is it supposed to represent? Does anyone know? I only ask here because I don’t know who else to ask. Very disturbing.***
Just a guess, not having seen it, but maybe something to do with blood and adrenaline or some other content being boosted by pain and fear.

Posted by: Cynic | Jan 19 2024 20:56 utc | 186

RE: “Moreover, why did these departures coincide with dramatic and well-publicized policy failures? The reasonable conclusion to draw is that the American electoral system is broken. It does not represent the will of the people.”
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 19 2024 15:52 utc | 154
IMO:
The American “House” was built with 4 pillars/cornerstones
1)Executive 2)Congressional 3)Judicial 4)Supreme court
Pillar 1&2 fell with Kennedy assassinations as finality, and is now wholly corrupted.. unredeemable. The last 2, Judicial & Supreme Court, fell simultaneously, ending with Covid/Trump eta. Totally corrupted & irredeemable.
Americans have not figured out, the pillars are pulled, the house has collapsed, now… all power bases are fighting, trying to put Humpty Dumpty back together again, preferably in their own image, whichever power bases succeeds in reorganizing the left over pickens.
I’m quite certain, the collapse of the Soviet Union went much the same way. Ordinary people had no say in its “reimagining itself”. They were trying to keep lights on and eat.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 19 2024 21:30 utc | 188

RE: Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 19 2024 15:52 utc | 154
I’m not a defender of “savage” or “ravage” “capitalism”. All of the “ism”’s and world governance systems as far as I’m concerned are flawed.
Some work better for the Nation’s citizens than others, but I think that’s a real cultural, natural or historical choices that all nations need to assess for themselves.
All I am completely certain of, historically & concurrently, is the main poison pill for ALL systems of governance, is CORRUPTION, how it manifests, how it is isolated or eliminated, or kept at bay, or allowed to run rampant to the detriment of entire Nation states. This happens in Capitalist, Socialist, Communist, Dictatorships as well as Kingdoms. They fall on themselves from the weight of their own greed, corruption & failed Judiciary systems that become corrupt to the core. Anyways, just my opinion about “systems” of governance, strengths & weaknesses in all.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 19 2024 21:46 utc | 190

For the Bar:
When a law is passed, it’s either obeyed or violated. The UN Charter is a corpus of laws that was signed and ratified by all nations wanting to become UN members–one must be done for the other to occur. Once a nation agrees to obey a law it becomes an outlaw if it disobeys. As documented many times here and elsewhere, at the moment the UN Charter attained its legal status, the USA and many other Western signatories were already violating the law and thus became outlaws. An Outlaw remains an Outlaw until it’s brought to justice and as part of its penalty says it will refrain from breaking the law again. Since all those outlaw nations have yet to face justice for their actions, they remain outlaws. It’s really that simple. When the history of the making of the UN Charter is studied, it becomes very clear that the Four Freedoms are at the base of it and are within both the UN Charter and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Part of my Big Picture argument is that WW2 never really ended as the fixtures that were to provide for a lasting peace were never attained: Denazification of Europe was prevented by the USA, UK and France, meaning they immediately broke the covenant by which they were rewarded with permanent UNSC seats and vetoes. Thus, the three main Plundering nations immediately gained outlaw status by November 1945, and have retained that status ever since.
The Global Majority Movement aims to right the wrongs that emerged in November 1945, the primary document being China’s Global Security Initiative (GSI), which is essentially a restatement of the UN Charter specifying no hegemonic nations will be allowed to join. If such nations are to exist, they will exist outside the primary global organization and will remain outlaws since they choose to be outside the laws of nations. Such a reorganization of the UN will eliminate the “privatization” of its global agencies by the hegemonic outlaws that’s impeding their ability to do good and exacerbating the potential for them to do ill, like the subversion happening at the World Health Organization. Of course, the reorganization won’t be perfect–there’ll always be problems with governance no matter what, which is Putin’s mantra, the point being to accept that fact and continue to strive for excellence. Wang Yi in his New Year’s speech on 9 January said it’s China’s goal to make the GSI a reality this year as a supermajority of the world’s nations have already said they will join.
The League of Nations failed for a number of reasons. The UN is failing because it’s held hostage by outlaws. Humanity needs an organization global in breadth that helps Humanity organize to advance its wellbeing while solving problems affecting the global community, a fact differing little from the visions expressed by many in 1944. The reformed UN will immediately be improved since it’s no longer held hostage, and the Security Council will be reformulated to exist without the veto since there’re no hegemonic members requiring it to protect themselves from justice.
Humanity is on the cusp of evolving beyond armed conflict to solve problems. Universal moral values have advanced for that goal to be possible, but to-date the hegemonic outlaw nations impede that progress. It appears the best way to change their behavior is to relegate them to the Out Group until they prove their behavior’s changed and they’ve atoned for their outlaw past. Yes, the outlaw nations will yell and squeal, stomp their feet, pull their hair, and propose all sorts of threats that prove exactly what they are and why they need to sit in the corner and think about their actions like the small children they show themselves to be. Yes, it will probably take a generation or so (20 years) for them to figure it out–they’ve been serial outlaws for almost 80 years and even longer before that, so their ways are habitual.
The job is to formulate the future so Humanity cannot just survive but thrive. The past can and will be argued about endlessly, which is a given. But enough about the past is agreed upon so the future can be formulated and constructed. It’s time to take a big step outside the box to do what must be done. As was once said: Lead, follow or get out of the way.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 19 2024 21:52 utc | 192

Constantine | Jan 19 2024 18:18 utc | 174
Putin doesn’t run ahead of the people. He does however set up circumstance that allow the people to evolve. Putin is very much evolution rather than the turbulence of revolution.
Lukashenko has held the Belorussian ship steady but a lot of subsidies from Russia. Extra good deals on gas and that sort of thing plus some loans.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2024 22:05 utc | 194

karlof1 | Jan 19 2024 21:52 utc | 193
With the due respect, a wall of words?
I imagine that you try to communicate some thesis within this fore.
Paragraphing?

Posted by: Dadi | Jan 19 2024 22:15 utc | 196

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2024 2:50 utc | 111
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2024 5:09 utc | 123

In the so called professional archaeology there is a huge amount of group think plus the aspect of everything they find must fit within the box of what they have been taught. Few in any professions can see outside those boxes. It is not a political thing. Its across the board.

The groupthink is definitely there. For example, in 1991, Robert Schoch used water erosion to date the Sphinx to about 8000 BCE.
Story of Dr. Robert Schoch
The pushback he got from his profession was terrific. The whole discussion of the pyramids is deeply warped by guys like Mark Lerner and Zahi Hawas. The dating of the pyramids is based on the equivalent of a “Killjoy was here” stone inscription. The complete absence of grave goods in the pyramids destroys the story that they are just royal burial places. But. no alternatives are allowed to be discussed in “professional” circles.
Gobekli Tepe has upset that applecart somewhat.

Posted by: john brewster | Jan 19 2024 22:20 utc | 198

zorge | Jan 19 2024 11:48 utc | 148
“In order to be fully effective, also in the future, we need a warfighting transformation of NATO,” said Bauer during a meeting of military chiefs in Brussels. “For this too, public-private cooperation will be the key.”
Take it the clog-shit NATzO windmiller means an endless proliferation of crony corporate ripoffs of the public like was already inflicted in Britain with the likes of schools and hospitals.
Populations conscripted to fight, get maimed and die for “values” that at best stink.

Posted by: Cynic | Jan 19 2024 22:39 utc | 200