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January 18, 2024
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-019
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Covert Action magazine on the Essequibo dispute and Brazil: Posted by: bevin | Jan 18 2024 16:30 utc | 1 Lavrov’s annual review of Russian foreign policy for the previous year presents a few new twists. I’m just now reading the transcript and have yet to post and comment on it, but there are some indicators at the outset that set the tone for 2024:
This is a far more aggressive stance versus the Outlaw US Empire and its NATO vassals than I’ve read before. That the entire West are Outlaws, “not a single foreign policy action of the West in the international arena has taken into account or respected the principle (as stated in the Charter),” is a new tact, which is 100% correct. Lavrov’s opening broadside aimed at the West is significant and will be a major feature of 2024’s diplomatic interactions. Russia can make this case from a position of strength whereas the West is busy eating itself thanks to sanctions blowback and its rabid Russophobia. Karlof1, these comments hardly sound like the pronouncements of a winning power. If Lavarov’s comments are taken at face value—“ to rule the whole world for 500 years”, reflects the delusional thinking of Russia leadership. The much more powerful Soviet state was impotent and unable to stop Western Hegemony. The smaller weaker Russian Federation only hope is to become a vassal of China (or the Mongols). Russia historic role 500 years ago Posted by: zargo | Jan 18 2024 16:50 utc | 3 @karlof1: indeed, am expecting a lot from RF’s Chairing the BRICS this year. Last year the BRICS train left the station and, importantly, all the Atlanticists, standing still on the platform, watched it take off for greener pastures without them on board. “to rule the whole world for 500 years” Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 18 2024 16:57 utc | 5 Here follows a one-paragraph description of the January 6th phenomenon with a more complete narrative now clearly emerging. This is mainly only known by those following alternative, and right-leaning, press, but that includes perhaps half the US (news-following) population at this point with more every month, especially as some alternative sites garner more online traffic than the so-called mainstream, which is increasingly marginal these days.
The “west’ aka the Empire didn’t rule for 500 years. Until about 200 years ago it was a powerful trading/plundering force but its rule only really extended into America. And even there its power was contested until late in the C19th. Posted by: bevin | Jan 18 2024 17:07 utc | 7 6th November 2012— Posted by: Sam | Jan 18 2024 17:12 utc | 8 The Amerikastani installed Pakistani regime is trying to pose, once again, as Warshington’s indispensable ally in South Asia by instigating a confrontation with Iran. Given Pakistan’s not exactly stellar economic situation, this is probably its only chance. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 18 2024 17:13 utc | 9 Whatever is in future but it is certain that Russia will compromise and betray her allies immediately the anglos offer her some minor concession like lifting some sanctions. Lavrov, pesko and Putin are that desperate for a slight approval from their arch enemy england and its 5 evil anglo eyes. Look at impotant reaction of Putin to gaza hospital bombing. Posted by: Sam | Jan 18 2024 17:13 utc | 10 /4/2014 Posted by: Sam | Jan 18 2024 17:15 utc | 11 Russia is supposed to have eased up on Andreevka assault and wait for winter in December, according to British spy agency. Not surprise. Putin has no guts and is Expert in making winnable war into a frozen conflict. Putin has no guts that is why 3rdrate country like england openly wages war on Russia with no consequence on England. Shameful Russia. It relies on initiative of enemies with no initiative of its own. Putin must not be allowed another term. Sergei lavrov and pesko are British spies. Russia is under grave danger. Posted by: Sam | Jan 18 2024 17:16 utc | 12 I am transferring comments I made on the ‘mainstream’ thread earlier: Posted by: juliania | Jan 18 2024 17:17 utc | 13 Quote “Whitehall roars with laughter. What a joke, like really, Russia has zero ability to counter US UK and the NATO minions other”. Posted by: Sam | Jan 18 2024 17:17 utc | 14 relocating earlier post more appropiately Posted by: Jo | Jan 18 2024 17:18 utc | 15 regarding those strikes in germany. Thats nothing new. Theres always a strike, and it resolves after we peasants get 2% more money and so on. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 18 2024 17:22 utc | 16 No guts. Russia chickening out. Posted by: Sam | Jan 18 2024 17:39 utc | 17 Useless foreign minister Posted by: Sam | Jan 18 2024 17:41 utc | 18 @Scorpion 4 Posted by: Sam | Jan 18 2024 17:47 utc | 19 Scorpion | Jan 18 2024 17:05 utc | 6 Posted by: bevin | Jan 18 2024 17:47 utc | 20 is not China or Russia who have been sabotaging Brics but late comer India whose intention from start is to be a Trojan horse working for her mental masters england and USA combo. Stupidly India fell for🎉anglo plot – instead of making alliance of Russia, China, iran, India and Germany to kill anglosaxon pirate empire for ever, India did the opposite. India foolishly resurrected anglo enpire number 2 and clueless Indians think that they are very clever!! Posted by: Sam | Jan 18 2024 17:49 utc | 21 You are on the right track, yapping at Russia. That’s all you have left. Go on – the dog is barking, the caravan is coming… Posted by: Виктор | Jan 18 2024 17:51 utc | 22 Foolish Russia will still not arm Yemen to destroy British and American assets the way anglos are doing with Ukraine. Russia is really a stupid country. If russia had armed yemen and iran by 2010 AD then russia would not have seen attack on Russia. Posted by: San | Jan 18 2024 18:00 utc | 23 England and USA have the 4.75% population of the world but responsible for 90 – 95 % violence on the Earth, Posted by: Sam | Jan 18 2024 18:02 utc | 24 Unless england is broken, there will never be peace in the world. Posted by: Sam | Jan 18 2024 18:05 utc | 25 What’s with the British wanting to split up all of these countries into tiny states? Is it size-envy? What’s the deal?? They (and the U.S.) want to split up Russia, Syria, Iraq into separate nations too while not agreeing to independence of Scotland. (why does Russia not start insurgency in England as Britain does everywhere and is proud of that) One wonders if this British mentality actually controls U.S. foreign policy. Tom Luongo seems to think so. Posted by: San | Jan 18 2024 18:06 utc | 26 First WW plot Posted by: sam | Jan 18 2024 18:08 utc | 27 I just finished editing a very long, remarkable, transcript that none of the Russophobes here will want people to read, “Good Governance->Resilient Nation: Putin at the All-Russian Municipal Forum: Small Motherland-Strong Russia”. I’ve transcribed many transcripts with these two combining to provide more information on the nature of Russianness than anything I’ve encountered. It shows in many ways why Putin made his statement about Russians not wanting to live in a world without Russia. It also shows Russia’s national resurrection of the soviet–the Veche–the core of traditional Russian democracy. And yes, it’s a long, very worthy and satisfying, read. Posted by: zargo | Jan 18 2024 16:50 utc | 3 Posted by: heavymetal101 | Jan 18 2024 18:32 utc | 29 Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 18 2024 16:40 utc | 2 Posted by: N Hanrahan | Jan 18 2024 18:46 utc | 30 Plato’s dialogue ‘The Republic’ is difficult to understand (but rewarding when you do) because in his day it was just as dangerous for him to say anything directly about the sophists, as it had been for Socrates. Plato crafted an entire opus in dialectic form (hat tip to Bernard Suzanne on this point), which could safest be understood in this indirect manner, since in his day, dialectic itself had been corrupted, as mainstream media has today. Posted by: juliania | Jan 18 2024 18:48 utc | 31 Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 18 2024 17:05 utc | 6 Posted by: juliania | Jan 18 2024 19:01 utc | 32 Posted by: zargo | Jan 18 2024 16:50 utc | 3 Posted by: Mary | Jan 18 2024 19:10 utc | 33 N Hanrahan | Jan 18 2024 18:46 utc | 30– Dear Sam Posted by: Fred | Jan 18 2024 19:18 utc | 35 I mentioned Angelo G in the last open threat in relation to Taiwan. I knew he had been in China a long time, but did not know he was in Taiwan before that. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2024 19:25 utc | 36
Even though I rarely agree with all you say, I always greatly enjoy your well endowed prose! Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 18 2024 18:11 utc | 28 Posted by: juliania | Jan 18 2024 20:02 utc | 38 by karlof1 | Jan 18 2024 16:40 utc | 2 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 18 2024 20:03 utc | 39 N Hanrahan | Jan 18 2024 18:46 utc | 30 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2024 20:04 utc | 40 Scott Ritter is doing admirable yeoman journalism, now touring Russia. Today this one in Donbass by Napolitano who is running a pretty darn good channel. US economy is booming thx to chessmasters SLOMO smo Posted by: SlowSoft | Jan 18 2024 20:15 utc | 42 Aside from war, What will our late stage Capitalism devolve into? Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Jan 18 2024 20:17 utc | 43 I don’t know where this goes but it reads as significant to me…from Reuters Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 18 2024 20:19 utc | 44 Capitalism is not really the issue, bevin, IMO, it’s weak civilizations allowing predators to take over, a fault from which no system is entirely immune – though again, the best civilizations try. Posted by: Honzo | Jan 18 2024 20:20 utc | 45 It turns out that Saudi Arabia has not joined BRICS, (yet ?). Posted by: JB | Jan 18 2024 20:27 utc | 46 psychohistorian | Jan 18 2024 20:19 utc | 44 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2024 20:28 utc | 47 Because if it is so than RF really will go for a push on all the fronts. Real soon probably. From Syria to Ukraine and probably elsewhere. Posted by: Honzo | Jan 18 2024 20:30 utc | 48
Feudal statecraft. Princes, to keep their lower-ranked nobles in line, keep them quarrelling among themselves. I lived on Cape Breton Island under typical English / Colonial organization in that although it is a distinct region a) it was blended into mainland Nova Scotia and then also b) divided into four counties, each of whom must compete with the other for access to provincial funds, whilst the Province is struggling with its peers in the same way. It is almost impossible with this system, except during emergency times of War or Plague, to get all the various Provinces with all their competing counties, pulling in the same direction. Aside from war, What will our late stage Capitalism devolve into? Posted by: Honzo | Jan 18 2024 20:37 utc | 50 by psychohistorian | Jan 18 2024 20:19 utc | 44 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 18 2024 20:39 utc | 51 I asked about this video before hoping that someone knew about it. It’s the lead or most prominent video on ‘rense.com’ – about the weird tunnel incident in NYC recently. Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 18 2024 20:50 utc | 52 this lavrov in foreign ministry is an useless man who should be kicked out by Putin and … kicking out traitor medvedev too. Posted by: Passerby | Jan 18 2024 20:52 utc | 53 An interesting, and probably correct, interpretation of the Iran-Pakistan-Iran strikes: Posted by: JB | Jan 18 2024 20:53 utc | 54 Scorpion@1705 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 18 2024 20:55 utc | 55 What’s with the British wanting to split up all of these countries into tiny states? Posted by: Passerby | Jan 18 2024 20:56 utc | 56 “But it does seem from all the various accounts that Taiwan began to change at around the color revolutions were invented. Perhaps slowly before that and very quickly afterwards. Posted by: Paul from Norway | Jan 18 2024 20:57 utc | 57 Jo @1718 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 18 2024 21:00 utc | 58 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 18 2024 21:18 utc | 59 Honzo@2020 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 18 2024 21:21 utc | 60 “Whatever is in future but it is certain that Russia will compromise and betray her allies immediately the anglos offer her some minor concession like lifting some sanctions. Lavrov, pesko and Putin are that desperate for a slight approval from their arch enemy england and its 5 evil anglo eyes. Look at impotant reaction of Putin to gaza hospital bombing.” Honzo @2030 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 18 2024 21:25 utc | 62 This is a long excerpt from karlof1’s VERY long substack today relaying a meeting with municipal leaders VPP had recently, part review and Q&A and part awards ceremony. I probably won’t make it through the whole thing but I found this section not only typical of what have read so far but fairly complete in itself, so for those who (like me usually) don’t like to go through long (57 pdf page) documents, this excerpt featuring an official (the mayor?) of a city of three million might be of interest.
The ‘Greenmantle’s’ playing their ancient Great Game have been for once headed off at the pass , before they get to play some more of their mischief in that ‘other ukraine of the East, the borderlands of the ancient Persia. Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 18 2024 21:29 utc | 64 Eighthman@2050 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 18 2024 21:35 utc | 65 by Honzo | Jan 18 2024 20:30 utc | 48 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 18 2024 21:39 utc | 66 Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 18 2024 21:28 utc | 63 Posted by: Honzo | Jan 18 2024 21:42 utc | 67 Then came US puppet president Chen shui Bian in the early 2000s changed the history books and brainwashed generations of kids who now perceive themselves westerners despite the mirror telling them another reality Posted by: wagelaborer | Jan 18 2024 21:43 utc | 68 Let it accelerate! I would like to see the Old gone and New implemented by the time I shuffle off. Posted by: Honzo | Jan 18 2024 21:44 utc | 69 Honzo 48 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 18 2024 21:48 utc | 70 Scorpion @2128 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 18 2024 21:49 utc | 71 The bigger and rounder the glass bowl you put the goldfish in, the more enormously threatening it looks. Posted by: whirlX | Jan 18 2024 21:50 utc | 72 reply to 65 Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 18 2024 21:53 utc | 73
First, let me belatedly thank and praise you for your posts here. You pack a lot into short posts, something I have yet to master (though I do now limit my length if not always frequency – on slow days like today).
I could say the same about either, but to stick to the former: there is capitalism and capitalism. It’s a theoretical construct used for analysis but not a true thing or system. It describes certain aspects, but involves observing from the outside (one of the ontological and epistemological flaws of materialist analysis IMO). fyi Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 18 2024 22:11 utc | 75 Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 18 2024 21:28 utc | 63 “Since the US established its cultural hegemony after the last world war the dominant intellectual class, from its philosophers and historians, down to the lowliest popstar and most insignificant media performer, have performed a pantomime to distract the world from a series of horrors without parallel in history, the massacres of tens of millions of men, women and children to sustain the unchallenged rule of the imperialists. Damn! Why do I come here and read morons that cannot refer to our reality correctly but backslide into “ism” words? Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 18 2024 22:20 utc | 79
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 18 2024 22:24 utc | 80 I see that many barflies are still being misled by the narrative spun by some expat teacher who can only claim to have a good grasp of Chinese history and Taiwanese politics when amongst Westerners. Posted by: All Under Heaven | Jan 18 2024 22:26 utc | 81 Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 18 2024 21:59 utc | 74
The author is not a Marxist, and like you, I admit am not well read on the the more detailed and academic aspects of this subject. That said, I agree somewhat with your characterization of the matter as in no small part being dependent on “national character.” American style gangster/crony/investor class capitalism is truly a zero sum poison that is *only* capable of running amok and consuming any vestiges of “popular democracy” (with which it is fully incompatible) and all resources until they are exhausted and the “economy” and by extension, government/political system are essentially a few quasi- or actual monopolistic interests ruling over everyone else. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 18 2024 22:37 utc | 82 Scorpion | Jan 18 2024 21:59 utc | 74 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2024 22:37 utc | 83
Crap! I can’t resist, esp. when someone is kind enough to reply to my lovingly crafted drivel! @ Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 18 2024 20:19 utc | 44 Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 18 2024 22:40 utc | 85 wagelaborer | Jan 18 2024 21:43 utc | 68 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2024 23:01 utc | 86 ” Aside from war, What will our late stage Capitalism devolve into? Posted by: Moonie | Jan 18 2024 23:06 utc | 87 ” As America teetered on the brink of entering World War II, Charles A. Lindbergh gave a fateful speech that did more damage to the America First movement for peace than all the propagandistic efforts of the pro-war groups he named in Des Moines that day. In his oration, the great aviator and American hero sought to define who and what had brought us to the point of no return: Posted by: Moonie | Jan 18 2024 23:12 utc | 88 psychohistorian | Jan 18 2024 21:18 utc | 59 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2024 23:16 utc | 89 worth the watch Posted by: ld | Jan 18 2024 23:18 utc | 90 I’ve finished editing Lavrov’s 2.75 hourlong presser, and it makes for another very long document; such things just can’t be helped, “Lavrov’s Year in Review Presser”. Perhaps prior to reading either of those two long efforts it would be wise to read Pepe Escobar’s initial review of Emanual Todd’s book, “How the West Was Defeated” as it offers some hitherto undiscussed context both Pepe and I see having great import.
Lavrov’s humor is subtle but effective. Posted by: All Under Heaven | Jan 18 2024 22:26 utc | 81 If I know my Turks, they will not take kindly to Lavrov’ s imaginative recollection of world history for the past “500” years. Turks are, like the Russians, fond of creative history and you know what, they actually were something of a big deal in that precise period. Posted by: robinthehood | Jan 18 2024 23:50 utc | 93 The Airbus Advantage. Or “If it’s Boeing, I ain’t going.” Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 18 2024 23:53 utc | 94 bevin | Jan 18 2024 16:30 utc | 1 Posted by: NotEinstein | Jan 18 2024 23:54 utc | 95 DunGroanin’ @ 85: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jan 19 2024 0:08 utc | 96 Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 18 2024 18:11 utc | 28 Posted by: Jane | Jan 19 2024 0:12 utc | 97 Another interesting article by Ray Dalio: Posted by: Zet | Jan 19 2024 0:26 utc | 98 Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 18 2024 21:59 utc | 74 Posted by: Honzo | Jan 19 2024 0:47 utc | 99 Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 18 2024 18:11 utc | 28 Posted by: juliania | Jan 19 2024 0:57 utc | 100 |
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