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January 24, 2024
Boeing Failed To Re-install And Inspect Door Plug On Alaska Airways’ 737

Boeing recently made another mess with regards to its 737 MAX aircraft.

A door plug, used to cover the hole where some planes have additional emergency exits, blew out, while the Alaska Airways flight 1282 was still in the air.

The plane decompressed but made a safe landing in Portland.

I concluded:

One hopes that the FAA and Congress will finally get serious with Boeing. They must stop giving it all those lazy exceptions for issues that better (but more expensive) engineering can easily solve.

The question left open was who was responsible for the missing bolts that were supposed to hold the door plug in place but could not be found on the damaged plane. The 737 MAX 9  hulls are build by Spirit AeroSystems in Wichita, Kansas and then send to Boeing to be fitted out. There is usually no good reason to remove the door plug for the outfitting of the plane.

But the Seattle Times' Dominic Gates just landed a scoop which found that Boeing line workers had removed the plug but failed to reinstall it properly. The work had also not been inspected.

Here is the gist of his report:

The fuselage panel that blew off an Alaska Airlines jet earlier this month was removed for repair then reinstalled improperly by Boeing mechanics on the Renton final assembly line, a person familiar with the details of the work told The Seattle Times.

Last week, an anonymous whistleblower — who appears to have access to Boeing’s manufacturing records of the work done assembling the specific Alaska Airlines jet that suffered the blowout — on an aviation website separately provided many additional details about how the door plug came to be removed and then mis-installed.

“The reason the door blew off is stated in black and white in Boeing’s own records,” the whistleblower wrote. “It is also very, very stupid and speaks volumes about the quality culture at certain portions of the business.”

The self-described Boeing insider said company records show four bolts that prevent the door plug from sliding up off the door frame stop pads that take the pressurization loads in flight, “were not installed when Boeing delivered the airplane.” the whistleblower stated. “Our own records reflect this.”

The account goes on to describe shocking lapses in Boeing’s quality control process in Renton.

The work of the mechanics on the door plug should have been formally inspected and signed off by a Boeing quality inspector.

It wasn’t, the whistleblower wrote, because of a process failure and the use of two separate systems to record what work was accomplished.

Boeing’s 737 production system is described as “a rambling, shambling, disaster waiting to happen.”

The Seattle Times offered Boeing the opportunity to dispute the details in this story. Citing the ongoing investigation, Boeing declined to comment. Likewise, so did Spirit, the FAA, the Machinists union and the NTSB.

Tomorrow the Boeing production line in Renton, Washington will pause production for one day for everyone to receive a quality briefing:

During the stand down, employees will attend quality workshops and "pause, evaluate what we're doing, how we're doing it and make recommendations for improvement," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President Stan Deal.

The first stand down will occur at the Renton, Washington-area factory where the 737 is built. All other Boeing commercial production facilities and fabrication sites will have stand downs over the next few weeks, Boeing said.

The two 737 MAX crashes, the 20 months long stop or 737 production and the continuing quality problems on several of Boeing's various production lines (737, 767, 787) are a direct consequence of management decisions to favor shareholder and CEO income over quality, security and technical innovation:

Finding the money for stock repurchases inevitably leads to cost-cutting. Most often, the first move is to lay off as many workers as possible. But other more subtle strategies include cutbacks in preventive maintenance and environmental controls, the outsourcing of work to lower-wage firms, skimping on health and safety protections, and underfunding quality-control. The goal is to become lean and mean, skating out to the very edge of cost reductions without jeopardizing the product. Or, well, at least not harming it too much.

You’d think that Boeing would not compromise on safety, given that one small production error or software glitch could down a plane worth hundreds of millions of dollars while killing hundreds of people in one blow. But you’d be wrong.

Boeing is a world leader in stock buybacks. Between 1998 and 2018, the plane manufacturer also manufactured a whopping $61.0 billion in stock buybacks, amounting to 81.8 percent of its profits. Add in dividends and Boeing’s shareholders received 121 percent of its profits. (Data compiled by William Lazonick and The Academic-Industry Research Network, from Boeing 10-K SEC filings.)

A company that consistently gives 120% of its profits to shareholders can not be a company that keeps its standards and innovates.

There are tax preferences in the U.S. which incentivize stock buybacks to increase shareholder income over the payment of dividends.

It's for Congress to change that.

Comments

But hey, Boeing knows how to make rocket engines to bomb civilians.

Posted by: Michael A | Jan 24 2024 14:56 utc | 1

I have a family friend who works on the line at Boeing. I’m going to ask him if he knows more than gas previously been reported. If I get any new info, barflies will be the first to know. Cheers.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jan 24 2024 15:10 utc | 2

This story is top story at ZH also now.
The 737 MAX planes should be grounded permanently as it is proven they are technically unsafe and the company that builds them use incompetent personnel, leading to one disaster after another.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 24 2024 15:33 utc | 3

From DEI to DIE

Posted by: Anonymouse | Jan 24 2024 15:44 utc | 4

friend who works on the line
Posted by: Objective Observer | Jan 24 2024 15:10 utc | 2

Ask them what they thought of the “quality workshop”.
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incompetent personnel
Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 24 2024 15:33 utc | 3

Boeing’s problems are ultimately the responsibility of the managers and owners. The rank and file employees have no agency.

Posted by: too scents | Jan 24 2024 15:45 utc | 5

Once upon a time Boeing had competent staff with a lifetime of experience in quality work. Unfortunately for Boeing shareholders these people made more money than green recruits and insisted on having adequate tools and training, so they were laid off.

Posted by: Brian Bixby | Jan 24 2024 15:47 utc | 6

In my opinion Boeing recent demise was sealed almost 30 years ago when they merged with McDonnell Douglas and assumed their corporate culture.
“Late in the summer of 1997, two of the most critical players in global aviation became a single tremendous titan. Boeing, one of the US’s largest and most important companies, acquired its longtime plane manufacturer rival, McDonnell Douglas, in what was then the country’s tenth-largest merger. The resulting giant took Boeing’s name. More unexpectedly, it took its culture and strategy from McDonnell Douglas—even its commercial aviation department was struggling to retain customers.
Reporting on the deal, the New York Times made an observation that now seems prescient: “The full effect of the proposed merger on employees, communities, competitors, customers and investors will not be known for months, maybe even years.” Nearly 20 years later, one such effect has become the aviation story of the year, or perhaps the decade—the crashes of two 737 Max jets and the loss of 346 lives, not to mention the still-rising associated costs of around $10 billion…” (1)
1. https://qz.com/1776080/how-the-mcdonnell-douglas-boeing-merger-led-to-the-737-max-crisis

Posted by: canuck | Jan 24 2024 15:58 utc | 7

Remember the Ford slogan “Quality is Job One”?
New slogan for Boeing: “If it’s Boeing, I’m not going.”

Posted by: Mark Mosby | Jan 24 2024 16:09 utc | 8

The wheels are, literally, coming off:

Guardian story about further Boeing ineptness

I watched Downfall: The Case Against Boeing the other day. Nothing b hasn’t covered here, but the individual testimony and footage from hearings are worthwhile for those interested.
Downfall: Boeing are crap

Posted by: Spen Fuelrod | Jan 24 2024 16:10 utc | 9

This is not about diversity hiring gone wrong. It’s about a state no longer caring about safety standards and procedures at airports and air traffic.
It’s about companies cutting corners and airport operators not giving a damn about consequences because they corrupted all of the relevant control mechanisms and have the politicians in their pocket.
It’s about corrupt politicians and officials taking bribes and lowering the standards and controls down to zero and below for these people.
And those poor bastards putting the planes together and those fixing them up are at the very end of the food chain. They ONLY do what they are told and paid for. And they certainly won’t do or say anything against what they do not to get fired instantaneously.
Don’t blame the players, blame the game!
The only difference between air traffic and rail traffic is that trains don’t fall from the sky if corrupt capitalists get their way. Though they crash and blow up pretty good too.

Posted by: Zed’sDead | Jan 24 2024 16:12 utc | 10

Objectivists are unable to recognize crony capitalism is responsible for the harm corporate systems inflict on society. Their ideology is safe though, because disasters like Boeing passenger jet crashes and train wrecks like the one in Palestine, OH do not stimulate general strikes by the persons who actually add value to goods and services. The ideology that has created a society of precarious subjects need not fear disasters caused by business malfeasance.

Posted by: Wilikins | Jan 24 2024 16:14 utc | 11

@Zed, sounds a lot like Atlas Shrugged.

Posted by: Fred777 | Jan 24 2024 16:16 utc | 12

Years ago, Boeing had a system that was designed not to make these types of errors. But Boeing management decided to improved upon the system and also save money plus enhance shareholder value. So all of us are now enjoying this new improved system. There is no quick fix to this problem. The only way would be to roll back these management improvements and go back to the old system. It worked.

Posted by: meshpal | Jan 24 2024 16:19 utc | 13

“Boeing’s problems are ultimately the responsibility of the managers and owners. The rank and file employees have no agency.”
I’m not letting management off the hook, but if your job is to install the door plug and fasten the bolts that keep it in place and you are too stupid and/or lazy to do it right then you belong at Burger King not Boeing.

Posted by: Fred777 | Jan 24 2024 16:25 utc | 14

There is no quick fix to this problem.
Posted by: meshpal | Jan 24 2024 16:19 utc | 13

There is no cheap fix to this problem.
Who shall pay?

Posted by: too scents | Jan 24 2024 16:26 utc | 15

thanks b… does boeing reflect the general demise of the usa? once they flew and now they are grounded…

Posted by: james | Jan 24 2024 16:29 utc | 16

@too scents | Jan 24 2024 16:26 utc | 15

Who shall pay?

The shareholders that benefited until now?

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 24 2024 16:31 utc | 17

I guess the most opressed staff member was doing the quality workshop?

Posted by: Orgel | Jan 24 2024 16:31 utc | 18

@Fred777 | Jan 24 2024 16:25 utc | 14

I’m not letting management off the hook, but if your job is to install the door plug and fasten the bolts that keep it in place and you are too stupid and/or lazy to do it right then you belong at Burger King not Boeing.

Indeed, but if it is verboten to say someone is stupid and/or lazy, you will never know if he/she/it belongs at Burger King rather than Boeing.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 24 2024 16:34 utc | 19

@Fred777 | Jan 24 2024 16:25 utc | 14
I’m not letting management off the hook, but if your job is to install the door plug and fasten the bolts that keep it in place and you are too stupid and/or lazy to do it right then you belong at Burger King not Boeing.
Indeed, but if it is verboten to say someone is stupid and/or lazy, you will never know if he/she/it belongs at Burger King rather than Boeing.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 24 2024 16:34 utc | 19
Have to go with Norwegian on this one.
I have supervised 3 generations of workers and this last generation has been far the worse. Entitled, late for work, don’t listen, lazy and stupid.
Having said that in this last generation if you get a competent one they are like supermen-IT masterminds, sharp, ambitious and a strong work ethic. Unfortunately they are few and far between .

Posted by: canuck | Jan 24 2024 16:43 utc | 20

Capitalism is bound to become crony capitalism. Cronies are bound to get together for a good fleecing wherever and whenever possible.
And don’t forget, that a group of billionaires can easily buy both the US Congress and any and all pertinent regulatory bodies.
A little at first and then increasing in brazenness and efficiency.
All part of the fun. /S

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Jan 24 2024 16:44 utc | 21

the general demise of the usa?
Posted by: james | Jan 24 2024 16:29 utc | 16

Aluminum production and consumption is a reasonable proxy for modern industry. The US Geological Survey collects mineral usage datasets. They compile several for Aluminum.
https://www.usgs.gov/aluminum-statistics-and-information
The bloom is off the rose.

Posted by: too scents | Jan 24 2024 16:47 utc | 22

canuck | Jan 24 2024 15:58 utc | 7
30 years ago puts it in the early to mid nineties. Shortly after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
With the collapse of the Soviet Union, an extremist culture of capitalism and privatization set in in the US and was forced on or taken up by the vassals. It was along the lines of – see, the commies collapsed so capitalism is better. A mix of Hubris and greed.
Peak democracy and peak wealth equality occurred in the time of maximum risk communism would spread to western peasants.
Like an angler playing a fish on a light line. Allow it to run with the line when required then reel it back in.
The average western peasant/voter/fool still thinks dumbocracy brought them that equality of bygone days.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 24 2024 16:48 utc | 23

The state doesn’t own the means of production in western economies but it completely controls the means of production. This results in very little competition and massive corruption. While having dozens of medium-size companies competing against each other would be great for consumers, such an arrangement would be awful for shareholders and insiders at the top who benefit from monopoly. Call the current system “capitalism” if you must but what it really amounts to is a command economy masquerading as a free market. It is designed to screw the little guy by design.

Posted by: Norm Macdonald | Jan 24 2024 16:50 utc | 24

The case for calling Boeing’s behavior “reckless” is far stronger than the typical Reckless Vehicular Homicide case because such cases are typically the product of a single spontaneous act produced by a split second driving “decision” that may not have been consciously planned in any meaningful sense. In Boeing’s case, its reckless behavior was considered, deliberate, done for the purpose of financial gain for Boeing and the officers, senior employees and share-holders involved. Economists are well acquainted with business methods but not accustomed to consider them from the point of view of crime; many sociologists are well acquainted with crime but not accustomed to consider it as expressed in business.

Posted by: zeke2u | Jan 24 2024 16:53 utc | 25

The western elites clearly do not care about the population at large.
One sees that they are importing huge numbers of third world refugees and spreading them all across the country, and sticking them in working class schools, without any sort of medical screening and often even without required vaccinations. But when a bunch of these third worlders were bussed into Martha’s Vineyard, well, the National Guard was brought in to efficiently remove them – no muss, no fuss, no accusations of racism. If a working class town like El Paso tried that, there would be lawsuits and injunctions and screaming about xenophobia.
One wonders if the elites will ever stop flying Boeing airplanes? It would be a real kick in the head if, eventually, senior Boeing executives used Airbus planes for their corporate jet fleet, yes? Boeing airplanes might not be bad enough yet for this to happen, but we shall see.

Posted by: TG | Jan 24 2024 17:02 utc | 26

Capitalism can work if anti trust laws are enforced. Without anti trust laws capitalism becomes Fascism as we can see that happening in the West over the past 30 years.
Boeing is a good point. Boeing should never have been allowed to merge with McDonnell Douglas . Once sectors of the economy consolidate it creates cartels , monopolies, and as Wilikins @ 11 asserted, ‘crony capitalism’. To add insult to injury governments add to the burden with bureaucratic barriers to entry.
As well, when one of these huge endeavours fail, like Boeing, there is no peer competitor to swoop in and take the market share such that you have a huge swathe of your sector in turmoil.
Thre is no capitalism without fair competition, easy rules to entry -we in the West don’t have that- so what we think we have now is not capitalism it is Fascism .
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Posted by: canuck | Jan 24 2024 17:02 utc | 27

I do not know why the door plug was removed and replaced at the Boeing line!
The way it should be done is under a task description, applying tested actions with necessary tools and parts. The task should be performed using task sheets. Technicians should be monitored that they complied with process and procedure.
This has been done since the 1930s.
Technical support process has evolved between US FAA and DOD since just after WW II from a series of maintenance steering groups to assure aircraft in USA are kept safe through operations and maintenance

Posted by: paddy | Jan 24 2024 17:09 utc | 28

@canuck | Jan 24 2024 17:02
Imperialism is monopoly capitalism. Reforms, like anti-trust laws, never work. White-collar criminals are relatively immune from prosecution because of the class bias of the courts and the power of their class to influence the implementation and administration of the law. This class bias affects not merely present-day courts but to a much greater degree affected the earlier courts which established the precedents and rules of procedure of the present-day courts. Instead of a kindler, gentler capitalism, what reforms have promulgated is the present liberal carapace that’s essentially a hard-core fascist, corporate state.

Posted by: zeke2u | Jan 24 2024 17:13 utc | 29

canuck | Jan 24 2024 15:58 utc | 7
“30 years ago puts it in the early to mid nineties. Shortly after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
With the collapse of the Soviet Union, an extremist culture of capitalism and privatization set in in the US and was forced on or taken up by the vassals. It was along the lines of – see, the commies collapsed so capitalism is better. A mix of Hubris and greed.
Peak democracy and peak wealth equality occurred in the time of maximum risk communism would spread to western peasants.
Like an angler playing a fish on a light line. Allow it to run with the line when required then reel it back in.
The average western peasant/voter/fool still thinks dumbocracy brought them that equality of bygone days.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 24 2024 16:48 utc | 23
Your post is right on the money.
I would only add to the economic/democracy picture you described that the PTB also used ‘education’ (reduction of history courses, alternate histories, ‘white people are bad’, yadda, yadda)to dumb down the Serfs as well as pitting them against each other culturally through racism, feminism, LGBTQA divisions and the Woke religion-Such that let the Serfs fight each other while the Elites rape and pillage.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 24 2024 17:18 utc | 30

Capitalism can work if anti trust laws are enforced. .
Posted by: canuck | Jan 24 2024 17:02 utc | 27

Probably not. Mature industry isn’t rentable. Profits converge to zero for commodities and standardized processes. No capitalist has any edge over any other capitalist in a mature market. That is why industry is driven to create goofy new useless things.
The crazy current investment into AI is case in point. These investments promise to reduce production margins. So the realized profit will come from destroying the value added. Sure. That will work just great.

Posted by: too scents | Jan 24 2024 17:22 utc | 31

Australia used to have anti monopoly laws but they went out as American privatization came in.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 24 2024 17:32 utc | 32

@canuck | Jan 24 2024 17:02
“Imperialism is monopoly capitalism. Reforms, like anti-trust laws, never work. White-collar criminals are relatively immune from prosecution because of the class bias of the courts and the power of their class to influence the implementation and administration of the law. ”
Posted by: zeke2u | Jan 24 2024 17:13 utc | 29
I beg to differ.
Teddy Roosevelt ,an accidental president I admit, in 1902 used the Sherman Act of 1890 , to break up a railway monopoly:
“The Sherman Anti-Trust Act of 1890 became law while Theodore Roosevelt was serving on the U.S. Civil Service Commission, but it played a large and important role during his presidency.
When Theodore Roosevelt’s first administration sought to end business monopolies, it used the Sherman Anti-Trust Act as the tool to do so. Passed after a series of large corporate mergers during the 1880s, this Act enabled government departments and private individuals to use the court system to break up any organization or contract alleged to be in restraint of trade. The federal government used the Act to invalidate formal and informal arrangements by which different companies in the same industry set prices, though for the first decade of its existence the Act did little to slow the rate of business mergers.
This changed when, in 1902, President Roosevelt urged his Justice Department to dismantle the Northern Securities Corporation. This entity was a holding company, a combination of separate railroads administered by a Board of Trustees. At issue was its control of railroading in the northern tier of the United States from Chicago to the Pacific Northwest. After losing in the lower courts, Northern Security trustees appealed to the Supreme Court, which ruled 5-4 in March 1904 that the Northern Securities Corporation violated the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, the first major example of trust-busting during Roosevelt’s presidency.”(1)
That was only the beginning. In 1911 the US government went after the big kahuna, Standard Oil controlled by the Rockefeller family:
“Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey v. United States (1911)
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Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey v. United States (1911) is a U.S. Supreme Court case holding that Standard Oil Company, a major oil conglomerate in the early 20th century, violated the Sherman Antitrust Act through anticompetitive actions, i.e. forming a monopoly, and ordered that the company be geographically split. Find the full opinion here.
The Standard Oil Company of New Jersey was, in fact, a holding company which the Rockefeller family held. The Rockefeller family organized their oil empire by creating such holding companies in many of the jurisdictions in which they operated. In total, the Rockefeller family and their holding companies controlled almost the entire petroleum market in the U.S. To further the Rockefeller’s control over the petroleum market, the Standard Oil Company of New Jersey had acquired nearly all of the oil refining companies in the United States. The United States brought suit against the Standard Oil Company of New Jersey, alleging that it violated the Sherman Antitrust Act because its acquisitions were an undue restraint of trade.
The Court first ruled that Congress had the power to pass the Sherman Antitrust Act under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. It then ruled that “restraint of trade” included monopolistic behavior, and only unduly restrained trade if it led to one of the three possible consequences: higher prices, reduced output, and reduced quality. Balancing antitrust protections with principles of freedom of contract, the Court ruled that a company’s potentially monopolistic actions could only be illegal if it led to one of those three consequences. In this case, however, the Court found that Standard Oil of New Jersey’s actions led to these consequences and therefore violated the Sherman Antitrust Act. ” (2)
I don’t know if you are around in the 1980’s but another mammoth anti trust against AT and T. I can tell you paying phone bills came down alot after AT and T broke up and the telecommunication industry boomed:
“Charges were filed against the firm under the Sherman Antitrust Act in the 1970s. AT&T, also known as Ma Bell, was allowed to keep its long-distance service under a settlement reached in 1982. In 1984, the company’s local telephone service was broken up into seven Baby Bells as part of the agreement.”
Yes, anti trusts do work, please see above: at least they did until the 90’s when the Empire became Imperial as you duly noted.
Microsoft should have been broken up in the late 90’s-today Google, Amazon, Facebook all should be broken up according to the Sherman Act but the Oligarchs won’t allow it.
It would take a politician of Teddy’s mettle to use the Sherman Act in the interests of the American public.
I don’t see Biden or Trump doing it-Rand Paul, maybe, if he ever got there.
1. https://www.theodorerooseveltcenter.org/Learn-About-TR/TR-Encyclopedia/Capitalism-and-Labor/The-Sherman-Act.aspx
2. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/standard_oil_co._of_new_jersey_v._united_states_(1911)

Posted by: canuck | Jan 24 2024 17:41 utc | 33

A fish rots from the head

Posted by: Exile | Jan 24 2024 18:04 utc | 34

I believe its worse than you think. I am a newly retired Boeing 777 Captain from a major US airline. I was in flight management at my airline and have heard very credible rumors about various Quality Control issues at Boeing that border on intentional sabotage at my airline and competitor airlines.. The last instant was about trash being ‘left’ (or put into) fuel tanks that eventually led to engine failure.. I think this needs a serious criminal investigation.. Boeing is now a monopoly, thanks to the US government, and no longer the great airplane company it originally was..

Posted by: Vic | Jan 24 2024 18:10 utc | 35

@canuck
Where do I begin? First, I never said monopolies began in 1990. 1890 is probably closer. I don’t give a f*** about ex-US presidents and the laws they enact. Capitalism tends to monopoly, period. Look about you: telecomm’s, drinking water, heavy industry (what’s left), finance, they’re all, essentially, monopolies. Second, I don’t thinks it’s politically healthy to rely upon others to do what’s needed to be done. I don’t listen to what politicians say – I think a vote for either party is a vote for war. None of the parties will let us vote on whether we should have an economic system based upon exploitation. The only choice we get is which country to wage war upon: China, Russia, Iran, Yemen, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria? My choice is to say enough of capitalism, enough empty-suited politicians, enough of voting where there’s no choice – mass abstention in the next election would send a good message but what is needed is people who take matters into their own hands, take control!

Posted by: zeke2u | Jan 24 2024 19:31 utc | 36

@zeke2u
I gave you documentation that the Sherman Act disbanded three monopolies, but you respond that, ‘ you don’t give a fuck about ex-presidents’; Hmmnnn..don’t see what that has to do with it.
To deny that the Sherman Act didn’t work breaking up monopolies, at least in part, after reading the 3 examples I provided [perhaps, zeke2u didn’t bother to read the documentation provided? editor] would be a foolish delusion.
Capitalism does lead to monopolies I expressed that in my post. In order to avoid monopolies in the past in the capitalist US the Sherman Act was used and it worked-see last post.
Yet since 1990 when the City/US became Imperial the Sherman Act act has not been employed monopolies have proliferated hence cementing fascism in the West as capitalism can’t survive monopolies.
Every form of government whether it be theocratic, a kingdom, republic , democracy, socialist, communist ,anarchist, neo-liberal Trigger Warning-they all come with psychopathic, greedy Elites whom will ‘game’ the system regardless of the form.
To combat this inevitable endemic process in ‘capitalism’ the US as a Republic passed an anti-trust, the Sherman Act (1890)a law that would give the government precedence over commercial law if a standard was breached to break up monopolies.
Look, I can lead you to the intellectual water but I can’t make you think.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 24 2024 20:09 utc | 37

Capitalism can work if anti trust laws are enforced. Without anti trust laws capitalism becomes Fascism as we can see that happening in the West over the past 30 years.
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Thre is no capitalism without fair competition, easy rules to entry -we in the West don’t have that- so what we think we have now is not capitalism it is Fascism .

Let’s replace monopoly with the monopoly of socialism!! Surely there won’t be cronyism in the socialist utopia!!!
Your statements quoted are correct. Competition prevents the croynyism in either capitalism or socialism.
But this IS about woke. About a year ago a whistleblower wrote about why she left. First they were forced to hire a useless black dude on her team of engineers who didn’t even have the proper degree. So he didn’t do much. Then they were forced to hire a black chick with some BS degree and made her department head. One of her first moves was to promote the black dude to team lead, even though he had no idea what he was doing. Some of the team resigned in disgust. You can probably find the story by searching for Boeing whistleblower.

Posted by: JackG | Jan 24 2024 21:15 utc | 38

Remember that Titanic sub that people immediately screamed wasn’t caused by DEI? And then we found out it was all about DEI?

Posted by: JackG | Jan 24 2024 21:21 utc | 39

I read somewhere that they were blaming the Alaska Air incident on a subcontractor in Malaysia.
Seems like I also read that one employee at the Malaysia plant had tried warning his superiors and it fell on deaf ears.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/boeing-door-plug-malaysia-supply-chain-737-max-9-4059941
Posted by: JackG | Jan 24 2024 21:21 utc | 39
LOL, wut? How was that submersible accident caused by DEI?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 24 2024 22:13 utc | 40

“But this IS about woke. About a year ago a whistleblower wrote about why she left. First they were forced to hire a useless black dude on her team of engineers who didn’t even have the proper degree. So he didn’t do much. Then they were forced to hire a black chick with some BS degree and made her department head. One of her first moves was to promote the black dude to team lead, even though he had no idea what he was doing. Some of the team resigned in disgust. You can probably find the story by searching for Boeing whistleblower.”
Posted by: JackG | Jan 24 2024 21:15 utc | 38
I believe you, thanks for the anecdote.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 24 2024 22:18 utc | 41

@Posted by: Norm Macdonald | Jan 24 2024 16:50 utc | 24

The state doesn’t own the means of production in western economies but it completely controls the means of production. This results in very little competition and massive corruption. While having dozens of medium-size companies competing against each other would be great for consumers, such an arrangement would be awful for shareholders and insiders at the top who benefit from monopoly. Call the current system “capitalism” if you must but what it really amounts to is a command economy masquerading as a free market. It is designed to screw the little guy by design.

For Western countries you get the flow of control wrong, because it is the independent capitalist class that own/control the state for their own benefit. Which naturally leads to a complete evisceration of anti-monopoly laws, regulations, and regulatory bodies. After the fall of communism, the capitalist class no longer had an example to be compared to so could go full neoliberal (most of the damage was done during the Clinton years). This situation has become even worse, for working people, as the Supreme Court removed all limitations on the rich buying the government.
@Posted by: TG | Jan 24 2024 17:02 utc | 26

One wonders if the elites will ever stop flying Boeing airplanes? It would be a real kick in the head if, eventually, senior Boeing executives used Airbus planes for their corporate jet fleet, yes? Boeing airplanes might not be bad enough yet for this to happen, but we shall see.

The rich and their well-paid courtiers do not fly like other people! They all have corporate/state jets manufactured by such people as Learjet and Canadair, if they use Boeing products those will have a specialist highly skilled and disciplined ground crew and most probably only built in Washington state.
@Posted by: zeke2u | Jan 24 2024 17:13 utc | 29

Imperialism is monopoly capitalism. Reforms, like anti-trust laws, never work. White-collar criminals are relatively immune from prosecution because of the class bias of the courts and the power of their class to influence the implementation and administration of the law. This class bias affects not merely present-day courts but to a much greater degree affected the earlier courts which established the precedents and rules of procedure of the present-day courts. Instead of a kindler, gentler capitalism, what reforms have promulgated is the present liberal carapace that’s essentially a hard-core fascist, corporate state.

Exactly! I still like Wolin’s term of “Inverted Totalitarianism” as its the rich capitalist elite who control the state, not the other way round.
@Posted by: canuck | Jan 24 2024 17:18 utc | 30
Yep, with the children not only being dumbed down but also not taught basic discipline, responsibility, focus, and respect for those with more skills and knowledge.
Boeing is just one if the worse examples of owners and executives that now prioritize extractive profit making, not the building of great companies. Financialized rentier capital as against productive capital, as Hudson would put it.

Posted by: Roger | Jan 24 2024 22:18 utc | 42

I worked for six months in a company owned by one of the richest men in the world. I pointed out a fault in some contractor’s work and within minutes the contractor was demanding compensation. Because the entire management was only concerned with squeezing .o ey out of the trillionaire owner.
It was as if the management was so steeped in corruption that they thought one tiny spark of contention might expose the whole game. They bought off the contractor and sacked me.
The reason I was there in this corporate hell hole was that an Islamist CIAMOSSAD slave had conned me out of a large sum of money and he wanted to compensate me by pulling strings in the Islamist community to create this job for me. The annual salary was equal to the sum that was stolen. I was to.be compensated by none other than the Sultan of Brunei, last heard of a few years ago declaring that Brunei would have Islamist Shariah Law, in spite of being an animist backwater of Islam.
Religion is a business. The Israeli Hamas genocide in Gaza is about Hydrocarbons. The Business of religion always uses the most efficient way to achieve its corporate goals. Genocide the owners of Palestine and steal their Hydrocarbons.
Or, as was discussed yesterday, get Saudi Arabia to pay Israel to create a Terror group to attack Iraq and steal Syrian and Kurdish Oil through Turkish Ceyhan.
Religion is a business. Could we please not blame the guy who wanted to get some bolts and stick them in to hold the Boeing plane airtight?
He was probably sacked for asking too many questions.
I don’t expect the grifters in and around Boeing were remotely bothered that some wogs were kamikazed in one of their planes. So long as their investors were not harmed.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 24 2024 23:37 utc | 43

LOL. Yeah, that’s the ticket, we’ll do a one day “quality briefing”. That will fix everything wrong with this company and its planes. Anyone who sets foot into a 737 Max is playing Russian roulette. The problem with lack of QC and poor design will not be fixed. More of these planes will have “mishaps”.

Posted by: JustTruth | Jan 24 2024 23:41 utc | 44

Stock buybacks and dividends equaling 120% of profits is quite the number.
The US is already hollow. It’s in a real state every bit as bad (maybe worse) than the mid to late eighties USSR. Somewhat different details in the somewhat different reasons, but the end result is the same. The equivalent of Russia’s 1990s in the US is going to be ugly.

Posted by: Lex | Jan 24 2024 23:45 utc | 45

The submersible accident was most certainly not caused by dei whatever that is, it was caused by a greedy whitefella (not that this made a difference but I better bring it in lest that dingbat say he was a black, brown or yella fella) egomaniac who deliberately in the face of much opposition by other marine engineers, chose to use a cheaper material for the cylindrical ‘fuselage’ of the submersible in lieu of much more expensive titanium.
The carbon fiber tube he constructed was subject to intensive stress during the few dives he managed successfully, but eventually material fatigue took its toll, the vehicle made some loud cracking noises which caused the pilot, self described engineer & designer to attempt to surface but before he got far at all the entire carbon fiber structure disintegrated into a kazillion pieces leaving the titanium cap at each end and not much else as intense pressure at that depth crushed everything, everyone including the pilot/designer into many tasty morsels which were quickly gobbled up. An Indian billionaire and his teenage son being two of them.
A raving lunatic may try to put the blame on them but that merely displays his ignorant, callous stupidity.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 25 2024 0:02 utc | 46

Lex 45
Humans are totally unable to live without guidance from their Creator. The Soviet Union persecuted the source of the Guidance because religion had become a business, and twisted the Gospel guidance into a means of exploitation.
Christian America has created a new, manufacturing feudalism. Americans will blame Christianity for the abuses of its corporate class. Then the corporate class will invoke Fascism as an alternative to religion.
Believe me, if the Islamists can retrograde the beautiful religion of Islam into the medieval.practice of Slavery, calling it Salafism, the original Islam, then the Christian elites can retrograde the beautiful region of Christianity into corporate feudalism.
If salt loses its flavour, with what will you salt it?
Knock and the door will be opened unto you. But make sure that the opener is not fascist feudalism telling you to forget your conscience and conform. Plenty of that crap around.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 25 2024 0:11 utc | 47

More Expensive? That is not the issue. The competence no longer exists in Western society, it has been purged than replaced.

Posted by: Vasilios | Jan 25 2024 1:34 utc | 48

White men invented the airplane. Wright brothers and Alexander Graham Bell. Controversy as to who did it first.
So stop the cultural appropriation. Only white men should build and fly aircraft. And only white people should be allowed to fly on aircraft.
Oh darn. And then there’s the matter of the automobile, the internal combustion engine, both gas and diesel. All invented by white men.
And oh hell. Space travel. Landing on the moon. All white men again.
And on to civics. Constitution and Bill of Rights. Which are the only legal documents that currently prevent women, blacks, tyrannies and Jews in the USA from being subjected to Sharia Law. Constitution and The Bill of Rights. All written by white heterosexual alpha white males.
Or how about football (American), baseball, basketball and golf? All invented by white men. I only ask that we stop the cultural appropriation. Please.
I only ask that not one black or brown person ever ride on an airplane or drive an automobile. Please don’t set foot on an (American pigskin) football field, a baseball diamond, a basketball court or a golf course. And please don’t ever touch anything that involves electricity or file any civil rights lawsuit that depends upon the white man’s horrible concept that all men are created equally, under the white man’s horrific doctrine of the Constitution and The Bill of Rights.
As white men, please don’t give us reparations for the 600 thousand white men who slaughtered each other in the Civil War to win your freedom from the Jews (to which you promptly re-surrendered to under the Civil Rights Act). We reject that offer. However gracious,
All we white people ask is that you don’t culturally appropriate from us. We concede rap music, corn rows, drive by shootings, shooting pistols sideways, hoop earrings and soccer. You can have all that.
On a serious note. How about us white alpha American males take a step back and let the alligators of life have a bite at you? Or how about we just set back and let them alligators eat you. Completely.
For now, we’ll just set back and monitor your self destruction. Stay tuned.

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 25 2024 2:02 utc | 49

RLTW 49
Not so fast, God invented flying millions of years ago in the form of pterodactyls, and before that Angels of many wings. Not sure if angels fly on air atoms or some other means of elevation in space. There must be something there for a wing to push against.
Put in perspective, the sum total of what white man doesn’t either know or want to know like how to harness the jet stream or ocean waves is more or less everything. They can only conceive of life in terms of wars, domination, terror, colonialism against others and mud hut technology of burning methane.
The sum total.of white man hasn’t invented and doesn’t want to invent, is almost everything.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 25 2024 2:33 utc | 50

Sorry, barflies. Our friend responded to my query, but only that he may or may not have worked on the plane that had to land in Portland. No other juicy details to report.
Have one for me.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jan 25 2024 2:35 utc | 51

Posted by: Vic | Jan 24 2024 18:10 utc | 35
I believe its worse than you think. I am a newly retired Boeing 777 Captain from a major US airline. I was in flight management at my airline and have heard very credible rumors about various Quality Control issues at Boeing that border on intentional sabotage at my airline and competitor airlines.. The last instant was about trash being ‘left’ (or put into) fuel tanks that eventually led to engine failure.. I think this needs a serious criminal investigation.. Boeing is now a monopoly, thanks to the US government, and no longer the great airplane company it originally was..

I suspect sabotage but unlike you have no experience in your industry. Also, very interesting you say not only Boeing but competitor airlines too.
It seems to me that, unlikely and counter-intuitive as it is, America is being sabotaged on all sorts of fronts with much coming from the elites, i.e. not a bunch of foreign spies running around (presumably).
About a year ago I read how over 500 food processing plants had burned down in the previous year. Trains filled with fertilizer or toxic chemicals upending. Strategic oil reserves bled out for no good reason. Not to mention massive cognitive dissonance being engendered in the socio-political sphere which is breaking apart that which joins a people together. Accident? Feels more like design to me.
In any case, another article about this:
https://www.unz.com/aanglin/competency-crisis-british-flight-to-new-york-canceled-after-passenger-notices-theres-no-bolts-on-the-wing/

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 25 2024 3:35 utc | 52

“Or how about football (American), baseball, basketball and golf? All invented by white men. I only ask that we stop the cultural appropriation”
And aren’t all of these professional sports venues owned by billionaire Jews? Aren’t these Jewish sports club owners exempt from taxes? Aren’t their multimillion dollar arenas built with your taxpayer dollars?
Whilst the Jews are utilizing American F-15s to drop American 2k bombs on Palestinian women and children. And genociding said women and children by the tens of thousands.
Oh but pay no mind. Enjoy your NFL, your NBA. The house negroes of the Jewish sports team owners will dance around for your pleasure just as the cousins of those same Jewish owners carry out a holocaust.
All of which is being paid for by your middle class tax dollars. Yes, the stadiums, the sports teams and the genocide. All on your dime.
Please. Don’t bother yourself. Enjoy the game!
Oops. But now there’s rumors of a draft. Your fat fucking ass might just be yanked out of the couch and sent to Sand Hill, Ft Benning Georgia. Infantry Training Center. Been there! It’s lovely!
Those billionaire Jews are gonna need cannon fodder. And you fit the bill quite nicely. Just ask any of the few remaining white Christian males still left alive under Jewlenski’s regime.
So the only question is which theatre are you going to be sent into to be slaughtered alongside the women, trannies and blacks that will be in your foxhole?
Will you fight the white alpha male Russian Christian soldiers in the Ukraine? Will you fight the 500 million Muslim alpha males, so you might be defend those Israeli cousins of the Billionaire Jews who own the blacks on professional sports team that you are watching as you slobber over your nachos. Or will you be sent to Tiawan to fight the alpha male Han Chinese?
Of course the decision won’t be yours. Maggot.
But enjoy the game!

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 25 2024 3:55 utc | 53

With the fall of the Soviet Union in the 1990s, the global jet-set used their money to restore the plutocracy and a century of progress was trashed to facilitate the transfer of money from workers and the exploitation of earth’s resources to themselves. “Corporate Profits outweigh human life”.
Prime examples are Boeing and Pfizer/Moderna.
Clearly production quality control and assembly tracking of the 737 MAX at the Renton WA facility failed. The left mid-fuselage plug was opened and the seal replaced by the Spirit subcontractor under warranty but resetting and bolting it back in place was not recorded or done since it obviously blew out at 16,000 feet. Manufacturing airliners the correct way and designing and building the next generation airliner will result in the end all of Boeing’s management bonuses and stock buy-backs.
The War against the Axis of Resistance has escalated into WW3 with two regional wars in the Balkans and the Arabian Peninsula. The USA has no control over either. The endless wars fund war profiteers. With the closure of the Suez Canal with missile attacks at the Gates of Grief at the mouth of the Red Sea to western shipping plus with the drought at the Panama Canal, more shortages and inflation in Europe and the Americas are a given. The only way out is UN Armistices, new DMZs on the Lines of Contact and secure borders with the recreation of a multi-polar world and a MAD peace.
More than 12.7 billion injections of mRNA gene therapy “vaccines” were given across the world. They had no effect on the transmission of coronavirus and are mostly ineffective against the variants and appear to make the injected more susceptible to virus infection. The second largest wave of COVID infections is spreading across the USA currently unnoticed by the government. This was very profitable to the pharmaceutical industry and stockholders. A million Americans died with COVID.
These corporations will go under when the Western Empire collapses. The basic question is can the USA stay united and re-regulate industry for the greater good in a new multi-polar world or does North American splinter into its approximately eleven ethnic regions if a nuclear apocalypse is somehow avoided.

Posted by: VietnamVet | Jan 25 2024 4:01 utc | 54

Boeing has no incentive to improve because some vassals of America sti order junk American machines despite so much bad publicity.
For example India is going to order 300 Boeing planes soon! And order junk f 35 to boot!!

Posted by: Sam | Jan 25 2024 4:10 utc | 55

Posted by: Fred777 | Jan 24 2024 16:16 utc | 12
Kinda. Problem is that believing in Ayn Rand is even less rewarding than trusting our current bunch of fascists/corporatists.
To me Rand only wants to lure the best and brightest people away from the conflicts of society to isolate them. As a consequence the state has to expect much less organised resistance – and the exceptional ones can be easily picked up one by one.
There is no city of Rapture out there. But there sure is a rapture of the city out there should you follow Ayn Rand.

Posted by: Zed’sDead | Jan 25 2024 4:14 utc | 56

This is all, of course, coincident with the arrival of Boeing’s CEO on Capitol Hill to give testimony before Senate questioners. In a spot interview before the festivities, he briefly explained what he was doing there, and took the opportunity to get in a plug of his own (see what I did there?); “Bottom line, we build safe airplanes”.
In that framework, the timing of this scoop could not be worse; he must be pulling out his hair with fury.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/boeing-ceo-to-meet-with-senators-after-737-max-9-grounding-sources/ar-BB1h9kip

Posted by: Mark | Jan 25 2024 4:26 utc | 57

Remember Saturn V, F1 rocket? 1960s technology? When white American engineers put white American men on the moon?
And they did it with slide rules. Yeah that’s right. The pocket calculator hadn’t even been invented yet. Look at the pictures of the NASA control room back then. All white males with high and tights, white collared shirts with black ties. Some of them with cigarettes hanging out the sides of their mouths. Bad asses.
The women, blacks and trannies of today’s diverse NASA can’t even replicate that 1960s Saturn V, F-1 rocket white man slide rule technology. Even with all the AI and supercomputers etc. Diverse NASA can’t build a viable rocket anymore.
Hmm? What is the missing ingredient?

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 25 2024 5:39 utc | 58

Perhaps we need to break up Boeing’s monopoly, like Ma Bell before. Then we can fly in an experimental Tesla plane… Hmm. Maybe I’ll need to pay more attention to Aerobus plane models next time I fly. o_O

Posted by: titmouse | Jan 25 2024 6:01 utc | 59

RLTW 58
” What is the missing ingredient?”
My father was a slide rule mathematicption ian who worked on space and weaponry a long time. Unfortunately something about his devoting his deep honesty to such devious corruption never appealed to me as a child.
I decided at a very young age sadly that electronics liked integrity. Sadly because we now need those electronics to solve climate change and the whole electronics industry is dedicated to fiat finance.
Do I agree with my childhood decision about the missing ingredient of integrity ? Very much so.
Imagine what the world today would look like Jeremy Corbyn as British PM. See Craig Murray’s account of Jeremy Corbyn attending the SA genocide claim against Israel at the ICJ in the Hague.
Much tho we need electronics we still need integrity more than ever. Zionism is bereft of any integrity but there are very few people of integrity in the West.
A dying breed.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 25 2024 6:48 utc | 60

“Sadly because we now need those electronics to solve climate change…”
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 25 2024 6:48 utc | 60
No such thing as ‘man made climate change’; the earth has had a changing climate for over 2 billion years.
500 million years ago where I live on the North shore of Lake Ontario it was tropical climate with 500% more CO2 in the air than today.
17,000 years ago ,where I live, 1.5 miles of ice was above my house.
In 1000 AD Eric the Red and his Vikings colonized Greenland where they fished and grew barley. In the late 14th century a ‘mini ice age’ came the earth and the Vikings had to abandon Greenland as they could no longer grow barley.
All these event happened before the advent of fossil fuels.
If you want to properly educate yourself on this topic I would suggest watching this:https://open.spotify.com/episode/190slemJsUXH5pEYR6DUbf

Posted by: canuck | Jan 25 2024 11:32 utc | 61

canuck 61
Shame that Vikings had to come Britain when barley could no longer be grown in Greenland.
Maybe they’ll fuck back off to Greenland soon,taking their Zionist friends with them.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 25 2024 12:03 utc | 62

Posted by: canuck | Jan 24 2024 17:02 utc | 27
I’m inclined to think that what we have is several orders of magnitude worse than garden-variety fascism.
When the politicians, the media, and almost every input into society controlled by vested interests, and driven by avarice, greed, and power-lust, we have some kind of deranged crypto-fascism of the lowest order.
We don’t have some “führer” that we can dispose ourselves of when we finally reach breaking point, and are sick of the asshole. That would be almost a blessing at this stage.
Now, our only hope is for the military to take out the cabal and all of it’s “alphabet agencies” and propaganda machine. They are likely to just follow orders from the cabal and exterminate us en masse if we get “too excitable”.
It is a living hell.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 25 2024 12:46 utc | 63

I had the opportunity to live and work in Renton as an outside consultant to Boeing in the early 2000’s. My work was mainly involved in IT audit, especially around Bill of Material and inventory management, but also involving engineering systems, specifically, how systems passed information from one to another.
At the time, Boeing had over 4,000 separate software programs in use, across the widest possible set of architectures you could imagine, from single terminal RAC/F mainframes to the latest Windows/Mac/Linux and proprietary systems and everything in between.
In my experience, these were maintained by the most selfish DBA’s and SYSOPS I have ever had the displeasure to work with. They couldn’t even agree on what day of the week it was and constantly bickered over budgets and who was in favor that month.
Stiil, at the time, the 737 line was making high quality machines and the line workers malcontent was just at a low simmer. I expect now that moral on the floor is at rock bottom.
Fly at your own risk!

Posted by: whocanibenow | Jan 25 2024 13:00 utc | 64

Financialization = Crapification.

Posted by: So | Jan 25 2024 13:16 utc | 65

Self-improvement might be mentioned above the midst of the racism voiced here and bigger than that, a true solution to most everything–at least within our reach and power–something we can all handle. After all, it’s us.
And if only for a start at sweeping out the anecdotal racist tales from our political speech, improvement is obviously needed.
I’d hoped talking such shit, especially in our best forums, was mostly dead history. I need to improve.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jan 25 2024 13:21 utc | 66

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 25 2024 2:02 utc | 49
“On a serious note. How about us white alpha American males…”
Whenever I hear anyone proclaiming themselves to be the “alpha males” of the pack (whatever the heck that is supposed to mean since the widespread availability of guns), my first though os that they’re probably closeted uber-bitch “muscle mary” type homosexuals hid8ng it all behind a thin veneer of fake masculine prowess.
It’s just what I’ve gleened from 51 years of being the mostly quiet one who just sits and observes people, and I’ve encountered a very wide assortment of people in my time.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 25 2024 13:22 utc | 67

canuck 61
Shame that Vikings had to come Britain when barley could no longer be grown in Greenland.
Maybe they’ll fuck back off to Greenland soon,taking their Zionist friends with them.
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 25 2024 12:03 utc | 62
So instead of attempting to counter my rebuttal about man made climate change instead you make inaccurate historical comments laced with profanity.
The Viking raids on Britain were 300 years before the Vikings colonized Greenland (1). There were no Viking excursions into England after 1066. You are confused.
Vikings and Zionists in the 11th century? Zionism didn’t exist till the 19th century, Further confusion on your part, I assume.
1. When the Vikings appeared in the British Isles at the end of the eighth century, England did not exist. Instead, the parts of the island that now fall within England’s modern boundaries comprised a number of kingdoms of various sizes.
The most significant of them were Wessex in the south west, Mercia in the Midlands, Northumbria in the north of England (extending into southern Scotland) and East Anglia (covering the present-day counties of Norfolk and Suffolk). (2)
2. https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/inspire-me/the-history-of-vikings-in-england/#:~:text=The%20first%20Viking%20attack%20on,coast%2C%20may%20have%20predated%20it.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 25 2024 14:03 utc | 68

Norm Macdonald @ 24: “Call the current system “capitalism” if you must but what it really amounts to is a command economy…”
Horseshit. Utter nonsense. One of capitalism’s most fundamental characteristics is consolidation towards momnopoly. If you were a capitalist you would right now be greedily eyeing your competitor’s market share and cooking up schemes to grab it for yourself. If you have the resources to buy the loyalty of portions of the government to help with your market grab, you absolutely would do it, because that’s how capitalism works in the real world. If you don’t do it, your competitors will and you will be out of business. There is a market place for political influence, after all, and successful capitalists all realize they must be present in that market too.
And this is not something new. Capitalism has been this way for centuries.
“…such an arrangement would be awful for shareholders [owners]…”
Well yeah, no shit. That is why capitalists (owners) strive to maximize profits by making sure that is not how markets work. You’re a liar if you try to claim you’d not do the same if you were in the shoes of Bezos, Buffett, Lynch or Soros.
If you are thinking that people who own the capital should run society, then you are thinking capitalism. That is precisely what capitalism is.
On the other hand, if you are thinking the breadth of people who compose society should have the dominant say in how society is run, then you are thinking of socialism.
It always fascinates me how capitalism fanboys defend capitalism by criticizing capitalism’s core features.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 25 2024 15:47 utc | 69

“…Every form of government whether it be theocratic, a kingdom, republic , democracy, socialist, communist ,anarchist, neo-liberal Trigger Warning-they all come with psychopathic, greedy Elites whom will ‘game’ the system regardless of the form…”
canuck | Jan 24 2024 20:09 utc | 37
The question that you need to answer now is What is the basis of these ‘elites’to which you refer?
Are they sent by Providence to torment us? Are they the inevitable consequences of some sort of genetic lottery, sports of nature? Are they reflections of evil ambition at the heart of human nature Are they inevitable in any community for reasons to do with the frictions within social situations which lead to differentiations which become ossified into permanence?
Or are they the products of extant class systems rooted in our economies?
The obvious way to look for answers is by reviewing the past, in so far as we have knowledge of it. Taking care that any knowledge that has been passed down to us has come via a society riven with the prejudices to be expected from a system in which power is unevenly distributed.
You live in Ontario. So how did the Iroquois and the Iroquoian peoples, such as the Wendat, Neutrals and Petun live? How did they govern themselves? How did they take important decisions? How did they implement them?

Posted by: bevin | Jan 25 2024 17:14 utc | 70

Here’s a link to the comment that led to Dominic Gates’s article: https://leehamnews.com/2024/01/15/unplanned-removal-installation-inspection-procedure-at-boeing/#comment-509962

Posted by: Cynica | Jan 25 2024 17:45 utc | 71

Boeing is a world leader in stock buybacks. Between 1998 and 2018, the plane manufacturer also manufactured a whopping $61.0 billion in stock buybacks, amounting to 81.8 percent of its profits.

Boeing merged with McDonnell Douglas in 1997. Coincidence?

Posted by: Cynica | Jan 25 2024 17:46 utc | 72

Hmm? What is the missing ingredient?
RLTW @ 58
There are a number of missing ingredients from my perspective. They have nothing to do with race however.
One such is lack of reward for competence.
Another is chemical alteration of young people via psychotropic drugs….as an aside, due to my age I escaped the current trend of drugging young boys into a stupor if they showed any resistance to programming.
Another is the takeover of the educational system, especially in the U.S., by collectivist actors leading to a generational schism based on ideologies seen with every state centered implementation of Marxism in history. A whole other thread there.
Another is government interference into the free market of ideas.
Because governments claim a monopoly on the use of force, and due to human nature the exactly wrong kind of people are attracted to governments and their underlying bureaucracies.
Boeing is an example of a state supported monopoly. IMO, no such thing as a natural monopoly exists. In a real free market, Boeing would have failed long ago, just like the auto industry is failing due to not addressing consumer demands.
I greatly enjoy, mostly, the interchange of ideas here and appreciate the efforts of B for providing this venue. That said, I would appreciate a precise definition of what folks consider capitalism to be. Otherwise I think we have a Tower of Babel situation. Mostly a lurker here.

Posted by: Giuseppe | Jan 25 2024 20:16 utc | 73

Shut-down for one day for quality workshops.
Tell one all they need to know.
Unfortunately, given the nature of business/finance in the west – Boeing stock is likely to be a strong buy (BTFD).

Posted by: jared | Jan 25 2024 21:43 utc | 74

Did anybody mention this article from Jacobin before?
https://jacobin.com/2024/01/alaska-airlines-boeing-parts-malfunction-workers-spirit-aerosystems

One of the employees at Spirit AeroSystems, which reportedly manufactured the door plug that blew out of an Alaska Airlines flight over Portland, Oregon, allegedly told company officials about an “excessive amount of defects,” according to the federal complaint and corresponding internal corporate documents reviewed by us.
According to the court documents, the employee told a colleague that “he believed it was just a matter of time until a major defect escaped to a customer.”
The allegations come from a federal securities lawsuit accusing Spirit of deliberately covering up systematic quality-control problems, encouraging workers to undercount defects, and retaliating against those who raised safety concerns. Read the full complaint here.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pzxFhXIxXWUjZkAaLGICuyR8Vi-u1HN6/view?pli=1
Supports b’s description and explanation.

Posted by: Udkanten | Jan 26 2024 11:15 utc | 75

“I’m inclined to think that what we have is several orders of magnitude worse than garden-variety fascism.”
Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 25 2024 12:46 utc | 63
Yes, you are right , its much worse than garden variety Fascism.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 26 2024 13:09 utc | 76

“You live in Ontario. So how did the Iroquois and the Iroquoian peoples, such as the Wendat, Neutrals and Petun live? How did they govern themselves? How did they take important decisions? How did they implement them?”
Posted by: bevin | Jan 25 2024 17:14 utc | 70
As you know the Iroquois people were made up of five tribes: Oneida, Mohawk, Onondaga, Cayuga, Seneca. The Algonqiun and the Huron spoke the Iroquois
Well they fought, captured slaves and tortured each other like any other people in history:
“The Beaver Wars (Mohawk: Tsianì kayonkwere), also known as the Iroquois Wars or the French and Iroquois Wars (French: Guerres franco-iroquoises) were a series of conflicts fought intermittently during the 17th century in North America throughout the Saint Lawrence River valley in Canada and the Great Lakes region which pitted the Iroquois against the Hurons, northern Algonquians and their French allies. As a result of this conflict, the Iroquois destroyed several confederacies and tribes through warfare: the Hurons or Wendat, Erie, Neutral, Wenro, Petun, Susquehannock, Mohican and northern Algonquins whom they defeated and dispersed, some fleeing to neighbouring peoples and others assimilated, routed, or killed.”

Posted by: canuck | Jan 26 2024 13:19 utc | 77