Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
December 5, 2023
Who Is Really Behind The Mass Slaughter In Gaza?

Who is really behind the Israeli mass slaughter of the people of Gaza?

Here is the answer to that question:

Israel’s dependence on the United States was stated bluntly by retired IDF Maj. General Yitzhak Brick in an interview earlier this week.

“All of our missiles, the ammunition, the precision-guided bombs, all the airplanes and bombs, it’s all from the U.S. The minute they turn off the tap, you can’t keep fighting. You have no capability. … Everyone understands that we can’t fight this war without the United States. Period.”

Period.

Comments

My guess is that any fight within the US “elites” on this topic is between those who realize that Israel is sinking the US “elites” (and their backers and by extension the MIC and all that) and those who deny it and/or don’t care.
That would be between those who still remember what is propaganda and those who don’t.
Anyway the whole of humanity is behind this mass slaughter and genocide in progress, like it or not, believe it or not. No one escapes blame.
When someone can stop murder and deliberately do not…

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 6 2023 2:46 utc | 201

Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 2:36 utc | 198
As Guyana is still a French possession as far as I know rather than any form of independent country, this will be interesting to watch.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 6 2023 2:46 utc | 202

An annual Pentagon report on extremism within the ranks reveals that 78 service members were suspected of advocating for the overthrow of the U.S. government and another 44 were suspected of engaging or supporting terrorism. . .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 6 2023 2:43 utc | 200
Excellent. Power to the new recruits.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 2:50 utc | 203

Guyana and French Guiana (rocket launches!) are two different countries (separated by Suriname in-between).
Very easy mistake to make unless one has already made it before! 😀
And then there’s the really tricky one; Equatorial Guinea (another one! The fourth distinct country mentioned in this post) is in Africa!
I still stumble on that one if I’m not paying attention XD

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 6 2023 2:53 utc | 204

As Guyana is still a French possession as far as I know
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 6 2023 2:46 utc | 202
If so, then perhaps this is also part of the the latest phase of decolonization sweeping the global south (particularly Africa) …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 2:53 utc | 205

@ pq | Dec 5 2023 15:18 utc | 79
thanks for that good ‘legal’ info.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 6 2023 2:55 utc | 206

. . .Let’s look at those who do sign up–
An annual Pentagon report on extremism within the ranks reveals that 78 service members were suspected of advocating for the overthrow of the U.S. government and another 44 were suspected of engaging or supporting terrorism. . .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 6 2023 2:43 utc | 200
A afterthought :
I seem to recall a history of white supremacist movements in the U.S military also being reported as involved in support for terrorism and overthrow of the U.S government.
It seems this movement is undergoing some form of affirmative action…

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 2:59 utc | 207

Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 6 2023 2:53 utc | 204
I checked on it and you are correct. Thanks.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 6 2023 3:07 utc | 208

Peter AU1 | Dec 6 2023 3:07 utc | 208–
You might want to watch Nima and Orlov talk in a video posted at Martyanov’s. I found it informative and refreshing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2023 3:13 utc | 209

Sunny Runny Burger 204
Anyway a tiny section of humanity the corrupt , political Islamists and Zionists, are behind all the continuous, unnecessary mass slaughter and genocide in progress all the time. Like it or not, believe it or not. A tiny group of Criminal Mullahs, Rabbis and Pardres lead the rest of us into war. Hadith of our prophet Muhammad SAW. And we are none of us remotely responsible for these bloodthirsty religious liars’ crimes.
There, Fixed it for ya, Sunny. Allah knows who they are and has prepared for them a place in eternal flame.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2023 3:21 utc | 210

Sunny Runny Burger 204
Codependency
In psychology, codependency is a theory that attempts to explain imbalanced relationships where one person enables another person’s self-destructive behavior[1] such as addiction, poor mental health, immaturity, irresponsibility, or under-achievement.
Definitions of codependency vary, but typically include high self-sacrifice, a focus on others’ needs, suppression of one’s own emotions, and attempts to control or fix other people’s problems.
Wikipedia
I don’t feel remotely responsible for Muslim Brotherhood, or Zionist Christian eschatology. They are dog-turd on the shoes of humanity and we are none of us remotely responsible for their extremist crimes.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2023 3:36 utc | 211

My mistake, sorry. I was responding to Sunny Runny Burger’s 201, not 204.
Thanks.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2023 3:42 utc | 212

karlof1 | Dec 6 2023 3:13 utc | 209
Just checked it. Wasn’t up when I looked at Martyanov’s site this early morning. Interesting view/insights into Ukraine, particularly the comedian and his replacement. He lost me though on US terrorism and it getting away from the US. The likes of ISIS for instance was a US tool for getting back into Iraq and Then Syria were it annexed most of Syria’s oil and wheat producing land. Same in the Sub Sahara. With the European Nazi’s, like the zionists, they are a tool of both the Brits and the Americans. The Brits have been trying desperately to bring the US/European Nato into direct conflict with Russia. With Zionist Israel/Zionist extremism, the Brits and the Americans seem to be on the same page.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 6 2023 3:48 utc | 213

The idea that the only pathway to defeating HAMAS is through carpet bombing women and children is a cowardly answer.
JSOC has been surgically killing/capturing HVTs for over 20 years in Afghanistan and Iraq and with minimal casualties.
And it is hard complex work. Working multiple target lines simultaneously. Going toe to toe with the enemy and shooting it out every night. Burning down every target line one at a time. Taking down one HVT one at a time.
It takes Balls and Brains. Or you can just drop 2k bombs on kids and women.

Posted by: RLTW | Dec 6 2023 4:12 utc | 214

144 Karlof1 I agree with you and always read your posts to educate myself, but I remember when
Russia’s war with USNatoUkraine was talked about by many people, myself included as being a dawn of the multipolar world (not to exclude other factors in it’s formation) towards a more equal world. I even had hoped with others here that BRICs nations might intercede more actively in obstructing Israel’s genocide of Palestinians.

Posted by: Lavieja | Dec 6 2023 4:17 utc | 215

I seek refuge with Allah from Satan the accursed.
In the name of Allah , the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
Chapter 2 of the Holy Qur’an
(8) And of the people are some who say, “We believe in Allāh and the Last Day,” but they are not believers. 
 (9) They [think to] deceive Allāh and those who believe, but they deceive not except themselves and perceive [it] not. 
 (10) In their hearts is disease, so Allāh has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie. 
(11) And when it is said to them, “Do not cause corruption on the earth,” they say, “We are but reformers.” 
 (12) Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not. 

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2023 4:19 utc | 216

@Don Firineach | Dec 6 2023 2:07 utc | 187
Thanks for the link.

Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 6 2023 4:20 utc | 217

The latest from Tel Aviv
“… If the war cabinet is a long way from recognising what everyone outside Israel is telling them – that Hamas cannot be fully defeated – there is now a growing new realisation in Israel, maybe even within the army and certainly among commentators, that Hamas is far from being beaten.
“All the generals, chiefs of staff and media commentators have had to eat their words about Hamas losing control of the north of Gaza, after they saw during the ceasefire Hamas moving freely in Gaza City, releasing hostages that had been held there.
“The army yearns for redemption for its massive failure to protect its citizens in the south of Israel. It desperately needs the scalps of Hamas’s leaders. But in moving southwards, it’s going into a complete unknown.
“The first part of the ground offensive was limited to an occupation of Gaza City. That part is far from over, but at least during the first phase the army’s objectives were more or less clear.
“It drove the population south to take over the north. Now their objective is far from clear.
It seems that the army doesn’t really know the fate of the remaining hostages. They don’t know how strong Hamas is, and how much it has reinforced its positions during the seven-day truce.
“They don’t know how long the US will continue to have Israel’s back, bombing an area into which the majority of Gaza’s 2.3m population are now packed.
“As they push the population towards the border, the likelihood that Egypt opens it to allow aid and supplies in against Israel’s will increases….
“…Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s problems have only just started. Today he is probably Israel’s most hated man.
“The trauma of 7 October has added a huge new dimension to Netanyahu’s continuing legal woes, as the first prime minister to be indicted for bribery, fraud and breach of trust while in office, and his failed “legal reform” which sent hundreds of thousands of Israelis to protest against him and his right-wing government.
“He is blamed for presiding over the deadliest day in the history of the state. Posters of him with the print of a bloody hand over his face have gone up all over Tel Aviv.
“Once the fighting is over, the common political wisdom is that these will be his last days in power, and every other political player in Israel is acting on this assumption….”
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-netanyahu-political-allies-peace-dangerous

Posted by: bevin | Dec 6 2023 4:22 utc | 218

RLTW 214
” JSOC has been surgically killing/capturing HVTs for over 20 years in Afghanistan and Iraq and with minimal casualties.
And it is hard complex work. Working multiple target lines simultaneously. Going toe to toe with the enemy and shooting it out every night. Burning down every target line one at a time. Taking down one HVT one at a time.”
I just sought refuge with Allah from Satan the accursed, and up you pop in person.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2023 4:26 utc | 219

I worry for the “dismemberment of the psyche of humanity” (stealing indirectly words from a Hungarian Marxist critic Lukacs). Also Gabor Mate speaks of the brutalization of human consciousness due to such events as this degradation of the world by Israel’s brutalization of the Palestinians.

Posted by: Lavieja | Dec 6 2023 4:31 utc | 220

RLTW | Dec 6 2023 4:12 utc | 214
What a load of shit. Like the Afghans say, the Soviets fought like men, the Americans fight like homosexuals.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 6 2023 4:31 utc | 221

149 Giyane. Yes, your last 2 paragraphs hint what the future must may hold, while now also Hassan Nasrallah shines light imo

Posted by: Lavieja | Dec 6 2023 4:47 utc | 222

Lavieja 220
It would have been better for Hamas to obtain the means to destroy Israel before provoking this catastrophe. There is no distinction between Judaism and Zionism.
Judaism refuses to acknowledge their Prophet the Messiah pbuh who was sent to teach them their religion. They lost their covenant. They broke their own deal, to follow the prophets and help them. AS.
There is a clear remedy for restoring their deal , which is to follow the Messiah pbuh and the Last prophet ,SAW, who is mentioned in their scriptures and the Gospels.
Jews won’t accept the deal, even though it would immediately restore their promised land to them in submission to the rights of the Muslims. Zionism.is taking it by force, which will result in their own destruction.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2023 4:57 utc | 223

People are saying that the IDF doesn’t have any choice but to drop bombs on women and children. Bullshit! You get in there and do work! Work your intel! Develop your targeting lines and take down the HAMAS HVTs! Cut the head off the snake! Fight toe to toe!
The idea that the only pathway to defeating HAMAS is through carpet bombing women and children is a cowardly answer.
JSOC has been surgically killing/capturing HVTs for over 20 years in Afghanistan and Iraq and with minimal casualties. The pathway exists. JSOC pioneered it. Does Israel have the balls and the brains to follow it?
And it is hard complex work. Working multiple target lines simultaneously. Going toe to toe with the enemy and shooting it out every night. Burning down every target line one at a time. Taking down one HVT one at a time.
It takes Balls and Brains. Or you can just continue dropping 2k bombs on kids and women. Keep dropping my American bombs funded with my American tax money, on Muslim women and children and you will become the fucking snake!

Posted by: RLTW | Dec 6 2023 5:02 utc | 224

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-netanyahu-political-allies-peace-dangerous
@bevin | Dec 6 2023 4:22 utc | 218
Very interesting. Well worth reading the entire article.

Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 6 2023 5:08 utc | 225

Lavieja | Dec 6 2023 4:17 utc | 215–
Thanks for your reply. The Multipolar World was already emerging when the 2014 Coup in Ukraine occurred with SCO, BRICS and others already existing.
Interfering in Gaza is a complex issue; however, the direction it’s now heading is detrimental for the Outlaw US Empire, NATO, Ukraine, and the Zionists for similar and different reasons. Gaza’s outcome will likely alter geopolitics for the better, although most can’t see that yet. The difference is Ukraine is Eurocentric while Gaza’s Global Big Picture.
Peter AU1 | Dec 6 2023 3:48 utc | 213–
Thanks for your reply. Yes, Orlov does get the components of the Outlaw US Empire’s Terrorist Foreign Legion mixed up and he omits the African units, but he was correct about the organizers. Martyanov’s takedown of Austin et al via the WaPost article was quite a show. Johnson, Crooke, Escobar, and who knows who else are in Moscow for something Pepe’s not mentioned, and Crooke didn’t give it away in his Monday talk with the Judge. We can count on something new happening tomorrow.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2023 5:11 utc | 226

@ Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 2:59 utc | 207
re: white supremacist movements
There were 32 “Advocating for widespread unlawful discrimination based on race, color, national origin, religion, sex (including pregnancy), gender identity, or sexual orientation” . .p. 26 . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 6 2023 5:11 utc | 227

Lavieja 222
I wrote in 149 that the US motive is Hegemony, for whatever hang- ups or other insecurities are bugging them.
If they won’t/ can’t give up the need to control the world, they will be put in the asylum or exterminated.
The sacrifice of several entire countries in the name of US psychological insecurity, even by US logic of brute force, needs to be targeted, disarmed and encarcerated or eliminated.
Palestine is just another psychopathic school massacre. It’s getting to be embarrassing. The murder of innocent populations never cures their delusions.
Therefore us citizens of the West have to forcibly remove all traces of White supremacy, Jewish supremacy, US supremacy. Muslim supremacy .
The Muslims ate as racist as anyone.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2023 5:25 utc | 228

Snake @ 167
Further to Palestine as a site for competition with Russia: it was thus from the very get-go in the 1840s.
Here is a most interesting account:
https://www.palestine-studies.org/sites/default/files/attachments/jps-articles/2537686.pdf
including these grafs:
. . . .BRITAIN IN PALESTINE, 1838-1882 41
. . . The most important event in Palestine in this connection was the establishment of a British consulate in Jerusalem in 1838. Because the Ottomans had to continue with Muhammad ‘Ali’s policy even after the Egyptians were expelled in 1840, Jerusalem witnessed the entrance of still other European consuls2 and religious dignitaries. As a result, the European public’s interest in the “Holy Land” markedly increased. Thus, Palestine fell into that whirl- pool of opposing European interests: the Great Powers’ “Eastern question” of the nineteenth century. Once the “Holy Land” had come into view, inordinate desires were awakened, plans were devised, and visions were given free reign. None of these, however, was politically feasible, despite the fact
that the sultan would not have been able to drive the Egyptians out of Syria and Palestine without European (primarily British and Austrian) help.
Given that European intervention was undertaken for the sake of main-
taining the integrity of the Ottoman Empire (Britain’s Middle Eastern policy in particular held the conservation of the empire’s core as an urgent goal), there could be no question of partitioning Ottoman territories. The problem-the nineteenth century’s “Eastern question”-was how much of the Ottoman Empire had to be preserved, and in what form, in order to protect the interests of the European powers. Since European penetration could not take the form of territorial control, then, it could only be a matter of influence. One of the most important vehicles through which the European powers tried to exercise their influence was the “protection” of non-Muslim minorities in the Ottoman Empire.
The Establishment of the English Presence and European
Cultural-Religious Penetration
In England’s view, Russia and France had taken the lead in the race to
gain influence by means of “protecting” minorities. The former was the
traditional “protecting power” of the Orthodox Christians, while the latter held the same position for Catholic Christians, both in Palestine and in the Middle East generally. It was high time that this lead was narrowed. But as heads of Europe’s Protestant powers, England and Prussia first had to find (or, more exactly, create) their own proteges: Jews and Protestants. They recognized that, just to set foot in Palestine and exercise any right to be involved, they would to some extent have to contest the “natural” strong points of Russia and France. This resulted in the appointment of a British consul for Jerusalem in 1838. At the outset, he was supposed to form a counter-weight to the feared expansion of Russian influence.3 Thus the first step in a systematic European penetration of Palestine was made in the context of European rivalries concerning the “Eastern question.” This rivalry continued to be the most important factor in the period under consideration.
. . .
It is interesting that at this period Britain sought to maintain the integrity of the Ottoman Empire—I suppose because otherwise Russia might take some of it. Later it seems like Churchill himself wanted to break it up and grab chunks of it. Very likely because by that time, after the Unification of Germany in 1871, the Germans had also started taking an active role in developing a transport corridor and otherwise assisting the Ottomans to modernize, plus the Russians wanted Constantinople. Basically, all of the European powers shat on the actual Palestinians, and disfavored them vis-a-vis the Jews, who were basically English imperial proxies, it now seems clear.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 6 2023 5:29 utc | 229

RLTW 224
The US is the terrorist. Odentify the target and fire.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2023 5:31 utc | 230

People are saying that the HAMAS doesn’t have any choice but to drop bombs on women and children. Bullshit! You get in there and do work! Work your intel! Develop your targeting lines and take down the IDF HVTs! Cut the head off the snake! Fight toe to toe!
The idea that the only pathway to defeating Zionism is through carpet bombing women and children is a cowardly answer.

… REMOVED BECAUSE PURE BULLSHIT …

And it is hard complex work. Working multiple target lines simultaneously. Going toe to toe with the enemy and shooting it out every night. Burning down every target line one at a time. Taking down one Zionist HVT one at a time.
It takes Balls and Brains. Or you can just continue dropping bottle rockets on kids and women.
Keep making bullshit arguments like this and you will become the fucking snake. Heck, you already are!
Posted by: RLTW | Dec 6 2023 5:02 utc | 224
There, fixed your ‘argument’ for you.
But this part in particular was irreparable:

JSOC has been surgically killing/capturing HVTs for over 20 years in Afghanistan and Iraq and with minimal casualties. The pathway exists. JSOC pioneered it. Does Israel have the balls and the brains to follow it?


A bigger load of horseshit I have only heard from the IDF spokesmen.

The USA was bombing weddings, and entire families until the very last day it pulled it’s beaten, battered arse out of Kabul airport under fire while begging the Taliban to cover their retreat.
Please, if you’re going to go all “righteous ‘Murican indignation” on us, at least stay faithful to the facts and to the canonical Western System of Morality.

Righteous indignation is a poor substitute for Truth and actual Morality.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 5:32 utc | 231

It would have been better for Hamas to obtain the means to destroy Israel before provoking this catastrophe.
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2023 4:57 utc | 223
1. HAMAS did not provoke this catastrophe.
2. By the time HAMAS obtained nuclear weapons the Palestinians would have been extinct.
3. Every nation goes to war with the army it has, not with the army it wishes it had.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 5:34 utc | 232

“The army yearns for redemption for its massive failure to protect its citizens in the south of Israel. It desperately needs the scalps of Hamas’s leaders. But in moving southwards, it’s going into a complete unknown.
Posted by: bevin | Dec 6 2023 4:22 utc | 218
This is usually a precursor to Genocide.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 5:37 utc | 233

Posted by: Framarz | Dec 5 2023 13:50 utc | 53
Posted by: Cabe | Dec 5 2023 18:11 utc | 115
@ Framarz | Dec 5 2023 20:00 utc | 138
Posted by: Cabe | Dec 5 2023 20:24 utc | 141
“Not sure if this discussion attract others but you insist and I follow you in a new round.”
Posted by: Framarz | Dec 5 2023 22:23 utc | 159
Appreciated by at least one. Thanks to both of you. More is welcome, imo.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 6 2023 5:51 utc | 234

Fair enough, the US is complicit in the crime of genocide, but outright blaming the US government for the slaughter perpetrated by the Israeli government is a bit of a stretch. By doing that you are are saying Netanyahoo and his government can’t be held responsible for the blatant and intentional murder of defenceless woman and children! Obviously this JNS “news outlet” will shift the blame to someone else other than their murdering type in the Knesset!

Posted by: George | Dec 6 2023 6:08 utc | 235

While I’m here, thanks to suzan for the Rashid Khalidi interview over on the
Palestine Open thread @Suzan | Dec 5 2023 4:37 utc | 287.
I’ve enjoyed reading Khalidi as well as Eugene Rogan’s The Arabs.
History is complex, but background is important for context and understanding.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 6 2023 6:16 utc | 236

Posted by: George | Dec 6 2023 6:08 utc | 23
Israel rapes your wife, the US puts a gun to your head and makes you watch it.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Dec 6 2023 6:17 utc | 237

Posted by: Framarz | Dec 5 2023 13:50 utc | 53
Posted by: Cabe | Dec 5 2023 18:11 utc | 115
@ Framarz | Dec 5 2023 20:00 utc | 138
Posted by: Cabe | Dec 5 2023 20:24 utc | 141
“Not sure if this discussion attract others but you insist and I follow you in a new round.”
Posted by: Framarz | Dec 5 2023 22:23 utc | 159
Appreciated by at least one. Thanks to both of you. More is welcome, imo.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 6 2023 5:51 utc | 234
Yes, interesting and civil too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 6 2023 6:21 utc | 238

Arch Bungle 232
1. Yes. Muslim Brotherhood, funded by the
US , supplied weaponry to Hamas, informed Likud and they jointly provoked the genocide.
2. Yes, Nuclear weapons are a mugs game because they are WMD. Israel will be cleared in an SMO like Ukraine. We already know that Israel kills its own citizens. So that’s half the job done for them, like Ukraine.
3 . Yes. The army Palestine has , belongs to its enemy, political Islam and is funded by its enemy the US. The army Israel gets defeated by won’t be.
Any more daft questions, ?

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2023 6:23 utc | 239

Not sure if I’m posting correctly. But to the gentleman who was praying to Allah and I think has insinuated that I might be a vassal of satan, yes, I am responsible for dozens if not hundreds of Muslim deaths.
And it makes me sick to my stomach. After 9/11 I was a young Green Beret. Bush said they were “evil doers.” Mass Formation Psychosis. Oh we killed. And I worked my way up to the Tier One level.
Funny thing happened. All that time. Spent walking over those same sands as Jesus, Mohammad and the Thousand Prophets, whilst on combat patrols. Yeah something happened to me. That is Holy Land. You can’t understand it unless you’ve walked across it. And I’m not even religious. Never been to church.
I guess what I’m saying is that I’ve come full circle with regards to the Muslim. After 30 years of fighting your kind, I’ve come to respect you. Immensely.

Posted by: RLTW | Dec 6 2023 6:31 utc | 240

Any more daft questions, ?
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2023 6:23 utc | 239
Yes: How long has your wife been slipping arsenic in your drinks?
The faculty of reasoning is always the first to go before the blue tinge manifests.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 6:53 utc | 241

@Peter AU1 | Dec 6 2023 2:46 utc | 202

As Guyana is still a French possession as far as I know rather than any form of independent country, this will be interesting to watch.

Look at a map. Guyana is not French Guiana, they have Suriname between them.
https://www.google.com/maps/@5.5519045,-56.2074394,6.75z?entry=ttu

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 6 2023 7:24 utc | 242

karlof1 | Dec 6 2023 5:11 utc | 226
That get together in Moscow is interesting. I knew Johnson is in Moscow but didn’t know about the others. I guess we will learn in good time what it is about.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 6 2023 7:29 utc | 243

Norwegian | Dec 6 2023 7:24 utc | 242
I was corrected on that back up the thread a bit.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 6 2023 7:34 utc | 244

RLTW,
FYI – no one in the military uses the term Green Beret anymore.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 6 2023 7:37 utc | 245

229 Jane Thank you for this history.
Let the Palestinians Live!

Posted by: Lavieja | Dec 6 2023 7:45 utc | 246

The longer this goes on, the more one gets the sense that this is just massacre for the sake of massacre. There is no objective that can conceivably be attained.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 6 2023 8:09 utc | 247

Gabor Mate speaks of the brutalization of human consciousness due to such events as this degradation of the world by Israel’s brutalization of the Palestinians.
Posted by: Lavieja | Dec 6 2023 4:31 utc | 220
Exactly!

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 6 2023 8:12 utc | 248

Posted by: Jane | Dec 6 2023 5:29 utc | 229
This rivalry continued to be the most important factor in the period under consideration. re snake at 167.
The Germans had strong economic relations with the Ottomans the Germans had developed a railroad the ottomans traded with Germany, the deal was the Germans would build the railroad between the ottoman capital and its sea ports and directly into Germany and in return the Ottomans would allow the Germans access to the oil which was under the Ottoman land.. (basically the Germans had nearly exclusive access to the oil and gas beneath the entire middle East) . The Ottoman were not dealing with too many other outsider economic interest; the reason for WWI was oil.. because nearly all of the oil in the middle east was in German control.
Remember about 1865 (when Lincoln was assassinated) the whale industry supplied lamp oil to the world, and slavery supplied the manpower that made colonies profitable. But laws against slavery and the extinction of whales made the Slave and lamp oil monopolies more or less unprofitable.
Shipping(railroads) and sea ports in those days were the important asset. The Oil and Gas industry (what became standard oil of N.J. BP in Briton and France, etc. , and many earlier..). The driving force for WWI, WWii as well as the many smaller wars since WWII including the war in Gaza, have been about the territories where the oil, gas and pipeline profits were in need of the physical access to the territorial or in need of the political and contractual rights to control the oil, gas and pipeline routes. Where ever a challenge to oil, gas or pipeline profit occurred, whether by by coincidence or by threat, .. Chaos, war, invasion and takeover have occurred. . all of the religious and racial crap is just that, its propaganda promoting divide and conquer mind control strategy.
If the average everyday Israeli and the average everyday Palestinian were to meet and had the power to resolve the crisis, the war would be over in a few hours; because non of those people, no matter their race or religion have access to the oil, gas, food and pipeline profits that fuel this war.

Posted by: snake | Dec 6 2023 8:31 utc | 249

Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 5 2023 23:54 utc | 174
I noticed that you are back with your “Iran bashing” campaign. Let me see if I have motivation to play the game with you … hmmm, … nah! dude, better luck next time.

Posted by: Framarz | Dec 6 2023 8:33 utc | 250

Guyana/Guiana is different from Guinea, they are both related to a watershed descending from a land rise formation (e.g. Guinea Shield, which shapes the Niger River, Volta, etc. flow), former in South America and the latter in Africa.
So you get in S.A. Guyana (UK derived), Suriname (prev. Dutch Guyana), and French Guiana, and in Africa Guinea, Guinea Bissau, and oddly enough Equatorial Guinea (too far from the watershed, yet the coastal Africa colonial naming convention continued).
Guyana is the UK related colonial slice. You see similar slices of mixed colonists next to each other elsewhere, like the Guineas (UK, Portugal) or Benin, Togo, Nigeria ((French, German, UK). Given it’s been a few decades in post-colonialism now, reorganization in borders is an expected ongoing process. The question is will the UK use this pretext to intervene and call in colonialist belligerents?

Posted by: titmouse | Dec 6 2023 9:16 utc | 251

Any more daft questions, ?
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2023 6:23 utc | 239
If I did have any daft questions I can always rely on you to come up with daft answers….
I kind of play Giyane bingo now. How many times is Giyane going to mention Islam, MB, Takfiris in a single post.

Posted by: pq | Dec 6 2023 9:19 utc | 252

Democratic Rights are everything you have to fight for in a capitalist society:
– Housing, everyone should have a shelter
– Employment, everyone has a right to be employed
– Government financed education from kindergarten to university
– Health Insurance
– Right to organize in a Trade Union
– …
I was talking about Democratic Rights and not Democracy.
PS. This was my last dose of out of topic comment for today, Sorry b!
Posted by: Framarz | Dec 5 2023 22:46 utc | 162
Thanks for the reply. Tbh, I interpreted democratic rights to mean all the intangibles (right to freedom of speech, assembly etc. etc.)
Ironically, housing, healthcare, education decent job are the four things that were provided for in Cuba, USSR, Yugolavia and it’s China’s aim on which it has made a lot of progress.
Also, people won’t like to hear this but in the Gulf countries, the rulers are viewed as being responsible for the people so these four things are provided to the nationals.
As regards foreign workers rights they are uniformly treated like expendable robots across North America. UK, the EU, South Korea and the Gulf countries with the caveat that in North America, the UK, EU lower income workers have few rights even if they are citizens.
This is why the hard-working class in the “free world” recognizes the oppression of Palestinians.

Posted by: pq | Dec 6 2023 9:35 utc | 253

Ed] Then why don’t Palestinians have democracy?
Posted by: Ed | Dec 6 2023 2:27 utc | 196
It seems you don’t know much about Palestine. The Palestinian Authority and Abbas have been kept in power by the US, UK EU on behalf of Israel. They don’t want elections because Hamas will win. After Hamas won in 2006, they sent in the Fatah militia and Hamas kicked them out.

Posted by: pq | Dec 6 2023 9:37 utc | 254

Humanity is in a civilization war about private/public finance…..pick a side
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 5 2023 15:45 utc | 86
Very true. But today, this is no longer simply an ideological issue, it is also a methodological issue. Thanks to the existence of Bitcoin, we have the means at our disposal to separate money from the state: in other words, we can all do our bit to ensure that private finance wins.
I would phrase the civilizational war differently: it is the war between statism and agorism. The battle between CBDCs and Bitcoin is at the front line of this war.

Posted by: geralds | Dec 6 2023 9:56 utc | 255

Posted by: snake | Dec 6 2023 8:31 utc | 249
No, Middle East oil was not in German hands before the First World War. It might have have been one of the German ambitions, but it was not reality at that time. The main pre-war source was southwest Iran and that was in British hands (Anglo-Persian oil company). The Baghdadbahn (Istanbul-Baghdad, started before the war) was not completed until the 1930s.

Posted by: laguerre | Dec 6 2023 10:43 utc | 256

Arch Bungle 241
I wish I had your energy and dedication.
When I get bored, I say bad things.
As to the blue tinge, I dose myself.
My hair sticks out like Ken Dodd or BoJo in bright Pictish blue.
I’m missing listening to BBC Radio after it’s regurgitating of Hamas beheading babies. Voltairenet has been hollowed out since fleeing Ukraine in a hurry and Craig Murray who I followed for 18 years classes anybody who has attended Oxford University as a personal enemy.
Moon of Alabama is thin gruel for me , because after 20 years of Islamist wars for Greater Israel nobody here seems to have noticed that political Islam is a USUKIS proxy and humanity’s enemy.
Bored though I am , I will try harder not to be naughty.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2023 11:25 utc | 257

George 235
The political mind specialises in secrecy. Its quite rational to ask how the Israel lobby has become so powerful in the West. Was this by invitation of PTB or by manipulation of the PTB, dirty bombs in Western capitals?
How is it possible to keep the lid on blackmail? Much easier to think that the West has a purpose for Israel, an insurance policy for declining oil production, and the West has clasped the toxic tribe to its bosom out of necessity.
” Fair enough, the US is complicit in the crime of genocide, but outright blaming the US government for the slaughter perpetrated by the Israeli government is a bit of a stretch ”
A lot of things in geopolitics are a bit of a stretch, if not everything. After we learnt that the Arab Spring used Snipers in Cairo, Damascus and Maidan to start fake civil wars, and the civil wars were fought by foreign proxies who were eschatological enemies of the Muslim populations of those countries ,
a pattern emerges that the US is entirely responsible for all.the continuous 70 years of war since WW2 .
Including the Palestinian genocide 2023

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2023 12:06 utc | 258

# 178 Wilhelm – Thanks for your input. Exactly. That’s why I wrote ‘Gospel of the Fallen Angel’, calling out the psychopathic tribal god Yhwh and his ‘Chosen Followers’. The theology and ideology that existed millennia before the Nazis came along. I call it YAHWIZM. The Old(er) Testament or Tanakh is his/their primary source material. It’s not my theory or speculation. It’s there in hundreds and hundreds of verses and passages, in plain sight for all to see. Its current High Priest is Bibi Netanyahoo. Jesus or Yehoshua had the courage to call him/and his enforcers out, as a ‘brood of vipers’ who followed the Devil. He ended up being tortured and executed, because he followed another ‘god’ who went by the name of ‘abba’. (By the way, Jesus was not being anti-Semitic, when he called out the Jewish leaders and their violent theology. He was challenging their leaders who were deceiving their fellows Jews. Ring any bells!).

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Dec 6 2023 12:45 utc | 259

nobody here seems to have noticed that political Islam is a USUKIS proxy and humanity’s enemy.
Bored though I am , I will try harder not to be naughty.
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2023 11:25 utc | 257
I think it’s you who have failed to notice that almost everyone here agrees that political Islam, like political Judaism, like political Buddhism, Christianity, Cthullism are the enemy of humanity.
The only dispute is what qualifies as political Islam, to what degree on a spectrum, when, and how.
Not all in the firmament is black and white, White Man …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 17:00 utc | 260

The 200th cargo plane carrying military equipment has arrived in Israel, the country’s Defense Ministry said in a statement.
“The 200th cargo plane carrying military equipment for the IDF (Israeli army) has arrived in Israel,” the statement read, adding:
“Over 10,000 tons of military equipment were delivered since the beginning of the war, including armored vehicles, armaments, personal protective equipment, medical supplies, ammunition, and more.”
According to the statement, the delivery marks the culmination of joint efforts led by the Defense Ministry’s US Procurement Mission, the ministry’s Department of Production and Procurement and the IDF’s planning, technology and logistics divisions.
The Israeli Defense Ministry announced on October 19 that it had received a cargo plane from the US carrying the initial shipment of armored vehicles for the IDF, which would replace those damaged during military activities.
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israel-received-10000-tons-of-us-military-equipment-since-start-of-gaza-war/

Posted by: JB | Dec 6 2023 17:16 utc | 261

Arch Bungle 261
Political Islam has told me, and they may well have been lying, that these are end tomes and Islam has permission to join , not distance itself from the enemies of Islam, Jews and Christians, because of common goals, such as gaining political power.
Sounds like good old fashioned colonialism to where the empire designates its helpers as administrators in a higher caste to its plebeian slaves.
What could possibly go wrong?
Whatever could possibly go wrong has gone wrong so badly , that one wonders whether anybody who.likes this system might be in the designated higher colonial class of administrators, Black man.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2023 17:29 utc | 262

@ geralds | Dec 6 2023 9:56 utc | 255 who wrote

Thanks to the existence of Bitcoin, we have the means at our disposal to separate money from the state: in other words, we can all do our bit to ensure that private finance wins.
I would phrase the civilizational war differently: it is the war between statism and agorism. The battle between CBDCs and Bitcoin is at the front line of this war.

This is an OT subject that needs to migrate to latest Open Thread to continue….Bitcoin is tulip mania and private finance is what we have now…class system and all…gack!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 6 2023 17:33 utc | 263

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/02/06/was-lbj-a-serial-killer-who-advanced-his-career-by-murdering-at-least-6-other-men-who-stood-in-his-way/
It’s hard to argue that LBJ wasn’t the sole party responsible for the plot to kill JFK.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 5 2023 23:46 utc | 171
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Wow, what a rogue’s gallery of Texas big- and small-time crooks and pols. Thanks. I have read various rumors mentioned in passing, but never a thorough account.
Yes, let’s say it is very easy to see LBJ as the most obvious candidate for murderer of JFK.
I wonder whether Laurent Guyenot has actually read this detailed piece.
Come to think of it, Zionistan seems a lot like Texas . . .
You can always find a hitman/Mossad to do your dirty work, and others well placed to cover it up.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 6 2023 19:42 utc | 264

But I’ve watched Guyenot’s film and he fails to connect some dots in his attempt to paint Israel as basically the sole perpetrating party/mastermind behind it.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 5 2023 23:49 utc | 173
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The video and the long written piece have somewhat different emphases.
I don’t think Guyenot paints Israel as the “sole” mastermind. I think he implies that Johnson was always to some extent and Israeli cut-out and when push come to shove, Israel came through. Johnson managed the operation on the ground in Dallas, but with both Israeli and Jewish (mobsters and “businessmen”) sayanim assistance.
Guyenot certainly reinforces the thrust of the CovertAction guy’s work, although I don’t think Guyenot actually cites all of the dirt that the fellow dug up. So perhaps Guyenot is not aware of Kuzmarov’s conclusions? The two guys seem to be on different, but converging, tracks.
Kuzmarov and Guyenot need to get together!!
Kuzmarov doesn’t mention any Israeli connection; his story basically stops before Dallas. Yet obviously Dallas saved Johnson’s ass. So who helped him pull it off? Kuzmarov suggests that it was Wallace who pulled the trigger in the Texas Book Depository. Yet newest evidence is that the kill shot did not come from there.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 7 2023 0:17 utc | 265

The Baghdadbahn (Istanbul-Baghdad, started before the war) was not completed until the 1930s.
Posted by: laguerre | Dec 6 2023 10:43 utc | 256
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I thought it was the Berlin–Baghdad Bahn, with a planned terminus in Basra.
For a detailed discussion, see Morris Jastrow—or, check out the Wiki entry, which references Jastrow (a very interesting writer).
Jastrow points to the railway as a leading cause of WW1.
The whole story is fascinating.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin%E2%80%93Baghdad_railway
It’s not ALL about the oil. It is also about international trade, avoiding and/or creating and controlling choke points.
An interesting point is that those who propose the Ben Gurion Canal—whether it ever gets of the ground or not—shares with those who built the Berlin–Baghdad Railway the desire to avoid and in an sense neutralize the Suez Canal.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 7 2023 1:49 utc | 266

Jane 266
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I betook myself to Greece on a half price student Europe-wide rail deal in about 1976. In the train I met an Iraqi family on their way to Baghdad. We talked about watermelons in the barren landscape of Macedonia and they invited me to stay on the train and visit their beautiful country.
I haven’t visited Baghdad yet, but my Kurdish father in law used to go regularly in Saddam’s time and after Saddam’s time. Totally fearless.
The poisonous pimps to Uncle Snigger who took over from Saddam’s violent regime despised this generation of fearless traders as Sufis, which my father in law
was not. They ignored him in the hospital when he was dying of Covid, and he now bless him rests peacefully in his village grave.
The Kurds are stillmowed 4 years of salary , embezzled by the Barzani Mossad confederates . To be fair even Mossad hate this genocide. It’s bad for business , bad for public relations and may well close to Israel the Kurdish Oil Erdogan sends them.
It’s an ill wind that blows no good.
The Middle East is a violent region and its tacky political relationship with USUKIS is brutally exposed by this genocide. Kurdish Oil keeps the lorries moving 24/7 on the piddly little M6 motorway from London to Leeds.
Punching above its weight Little Britain’s criminal colonialism is brutally exposed in Sunak’s brothel with its exhausted whores , Zahawiri, BoJo , and Cameron .

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 7 2023 3:50 utc | 267

@ geralds | Dec 6 2023 9:56 utc | 255 who wrote

“Thanks to the existence of Bitcoin, we have the means at our disposal to separate money from the state: in other words, we can all do our bit to ensure that private finance wins.”
I wouldn’t be too sure about that. The invention of Bitcoin is a murky mystery. Some say Satoshi Nakamoto was the inventor but I believe it was the NSA who brought it into existence, see below
I think gold is the better long term asset.
https://news.bitcoin.com/did-the-nsa-invent-bitcoin-a-1996-research-paper-reignites-the-debate/

Posted by: canuck | Dec 7 2023 13:24 utc | 268

Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 2:36 utc | 198
As Guyana is still a French possession as far as I know rather than any form of independent country, this will be interesting to watch.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 6 2023 2:46 utc | 202
The Multi-polar world at work
Guyana was never a French colony. It was originally a Dutch colony that Britain took. It is an independent nation made up of several hundred thousand indigenous people. I believe they would take great exception to being referred to as a colony. The International community has already made determinations on the border. The Venezuelans had accepted the border until oil reserves were found in the areas that Venezuela is now set on “annexing”.

Posted by: Zargo | Dec 7 2023 15:03 utc | 269

For those people who believe that America is a brutal and malevolent empire that is indifferent to the thousands of Palestinian children that have been murdered by the Israeli military, take heart.
Your faith in America should be restored, as the USA has just delivered more aid targeted for Palestinian kids:
The third batch of American aid to the Palestinian children has arrived..
https://twitter.com/Resist_05/status/1732159775448936509
The United States of America truly is a Force for Good in the world!

Posted by: ak74 | Dec 7 2023 21:49 utc | 270