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December 05, 2023

Who Is Really Behind The Mass Slaughter In Gaza?

Who is really behind the Israeli mass slaughter of the people of Gaza?

Here is the answer to that question:

Israel’s dependence on the United States was stated bluntly by retired IDF Maj. General Yitzhak Brick in an interview earlier this week.

“All of our missiles, the ammunition, the precision-guided bombs, all the airplanes and bombs, it’s all from the U.S. The minute they turn off the tap, you can’t keep fighting. You have no capability. … Everyone understands that we can’t fight this war without the United States. Period.”

Period.

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It's Joe... not the uncle...

Posted by: Ledovik_12 | Dec 5 2023 8:39 utc | 1

At the same time USA plays both sides.

Posted by: Jason | Dec 5 2023 8:40 utc | 2

Everyday I thank God that I am not circumcised

Posted by: leaf | Dec 5 2023 8:42 utc | 3

Could have easily said , "Stop here. Finish." But didn't and the world's lost 15K unarmed moms and kids? WTF?

Posted by: Ledovik_12 | Dec 5 2023 8:43 utc | 4

What happened between 1967 and 1973? First -67 US and Israel were almost enemies and shooting each other, then they suddenly -73 were best of buddies and all the IDF was equipped with seemingly free finest US stuff.

Posted by: Catilina | Dec 5 2023 8:44 utc | 5

Complicit in war crimes ….

Rutte IV taken to court for delivery F35 spare parts to Israel to enable bombing of civilian territory In Gaza Strip …

Oxfam Novib, Peace Movement Pax and The Rights Forum are demanding in summary proceedings that the Netherlands stop supplying F35 parts to Israel due to the violation of 'humanitarian law of war'. Impossible, says State Attorney Reimer during an emotional hearing.

Posted by: Oui | Dec 5 2023 8:46 utc | 6

IDF claims at least 5,000 Hamas terrorists KIA‘d

Posted by: Exile | Dec 5 2023 8:47 utc | 7

First -67 US and Israel were almost enemies ..

Kennedy assassination … Lyndon Johnson took over and changed tack, appointed ME advisor, a close friend to Israel. Israel pay-back with attack on the USS Liberty in ‘67 … nice … incident brushed under rug by Johnson administration.

The Battle of the Letters, 1963: John F. Kennedy, David Ben-Gurion, Levi Eshkol, and the U.S. Inspections of Dimona

Posted by: Oui | Dec 5 2023 9:03 utc | 8

IDF claims at least 5,000 Hamas terrorists KIA‘d

Posted by: Exile | Dec 5 2023 8:47 utc | 7

50% of them under the age of 12.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 5 2023 9:07 utc | 9

Why is it that between the Sunni and the Shia it seems only the Shia are effective in opposing western imperialism while the Sunni are either powerless victims or willing accomplices?

The Houthi? Shia
Hezbollah? Shia
Iraqi resistance groups? Shia
Syrian resistance? Irani Shia backed.

In fact wherever Sunni militant groups emerge it appears they're more effective butchering other Muslims than fighting against Imperial hegemony?

Anyone got hard data to the contrary

(p.s, not looking for any emails of outrage and accusations of ignorance, not looking to offend the Sunni members of the forum, hard facts will do enough to convince me)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 5 2023 9:14 utc | 10

From the article linked above

"At a minimum, it is clear that Biden’s preference for the lives of civilians in Gaza over the lives of IDF soldiers on the ground ensures that far more soldiers will be killed in the fighting than would otherwise"

The horror!!! Prioritizing lives of Amaleks over the carpet bombers and the guys who almost never get out of their tanks except to steal bikes, jewelry, guitars and take selfies and plant flags on schools, hospitals, government buildings before they either blow them up or use them as a military base.

The Israeli Genocide Forces: every single person who has ever served them in (and still not repented) are the most cowardly, greedy, cruel and sadistic forces to have existed in humnanity.

The amount of stories coming out about the harassment of civilians fleeing: taking a baby away from a woman and leaving it on the ground before arresting her. So the woman is in an Israeli jail and has no idea what happened to the baby. She is in a very bad psychological state and keeps talking about "seeing the baby on the ground". The story was told by one of the female prisoners released.

Posted by: pq | Dec 5 2023 9:20 utc | 11

Michael Hudson
Unz Review

What is making this a fork in the road is, why is the United States fighting so much to support Israel? It’s fighting not for Israel, but because Israel is a landed aircraft carrier to control the Near Eastern oil, and the American foreign policy is based, the one way in which it can control trade is by monopolizing the oil trade that American companies have been monopolizing ever since World War I, along with England and Holland for that.

Over the coming six months, I think you’re going to see the war being settled, one way or another, in the Near East. If there’s a defeat of the American oil in the Near East, this will entail a defeat of Israel, too. This fight is parallel to the Ukrainian fight, which ended up all to split Europe away from reliance on Russian oil.

full article

Posted by: ld | Dec 5 2023 9:55 utc | 12

Sorry here is the link
https://www.unz.com/mhudson/nato-west-or-global-majority/#comment-6298089

Posted by: ld | Dec 5 2023 9:57 utc | 13

Why is it that between the Sunni and the Shia it seems only the Shia are effective in opposing western imperialism while the Sunni are either powerless victims or willing accomplices?

I mean Hamas is Sunni tho.

Posted by: Ahmed | Dec 5 2023 10:19 utc | 14

I mean Hamas is Sunni tho.

Posted by: Ahmed | Dec 5 2023 10:19 utc | 14

HAMAS is a true resistance movement engendered under the pressure of occupation. The urgency and pressure of the USreali occupation leaves them no other enemy to confront but the actual enemy of the hour.

But as we have seen, give them a little break and they're off to Syria to butcher other Sunnis alongside ISIS ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 5 2023 10:39 utc | 15

HAMAS is a true resistance movement engendered under the pressure of occupation. The urgency and pressure of the USreali occupation leaves them no other enemy to confront but the actual enemy of the hour.

But as we have seen, give them a little break and they're off to Syria to butcher other Sunnis alongside ISIS ...


One of Israel's biggest allies in the region is Azerbaijan which although a secular country still has a Shia majority population.

Israel also supported Iran against Saddam who was a Sunni in the 80s.

It's not as black and white as you have prorated.

Posted by: Ahmed | Dec 5 2023 10:51 utc | 16

It is like Hamas is ignorant of Groyzn, Faluja, Mosul, Alleppo. And b wants us to believe that Israel does not have its own domestic weapons industries. Oh yeah and the Ukrainian war has been all but over since August. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_industry_of_Israel

Posted by: zargo | Dec 5 2023 10:57 utc | 17

One could also ask: "Who secures the existence of Israel?".

Would Israel still exist at all without US financial support?

https://www.bbc.com/news/57170576
"
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Why does the US give Israel so much aid?
There are a number of reasons why the US gives so much aid to Israel, including historic commitments dating back to US support for the creation of the Jewish state in 1948.

Moreover, Israel is seen by the US as a crucial ally in the Middle East - with shared goals and a mutual commitment to democratic values.

The US Congressional Research Service says: "US foreign aid has been a major component in cementing and reinforcing these ties.

"US officials and many lawmakers have long considered Israel to be a vital partner in the region."


The US government's foreign assistance agency says: "US assistance helps ensure that Israel maintains its Qualitative Military Edge (QME) over potential regional threats."

It also states: "US assistance... is aimed at ensuring that Israel is sufficiently secure to take the historic steps necessary to reach a peace agreement with the Palestinians and for comprehensive regional peace."
...
"

"
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How has Israel used US money?
Over the years, US aid has helped Israel develop one of the most advanced militaries in the world, with the funds allowing them to purchase sophisticated military equipment from the US.

For example, Israel has purchased 50 F-35 combat aircraft, which can be used for missile attacks - 27 of the aircraft have so far been delivered, costing around $100m (£70.4m) each.

Last year Israel also bought eight KC-46A Boeing 'Pegasus' aircrafts for an estimated $2.4bn (£1.7bn). These are capable of refuelling planes such as the F-35 in mid-air.
...
"

Posted by: 600w | Dec 5 2023 11:17 utc | 18

Well, after losing in Ukraine and the whole world laughing about the collective West's impotence and incompetence against a real army like the Russian one, after losing against shepherders in Afghanistan and being unable to wage effective economic warfare - what else can they do to prove their superiority? They think killing children from a safe distance and calling them Hamas will do it and projects the power they have been losing. While being afraid to fight the Qassam-Brigades and when the tictoc-soldiers try something more than posting childish videos do, they lose badly.

The revulsion and contempt the whole world feels at this display of weakness is well earned. Grown adults with guns beating up toddlers... And with every child they kill, with every hospital they destroy, with every bomb they throw this image of helplessness of the o-so-mighty proxy-IDF and the merchants of death in Washington will be cemented in the brains of the people worldwide.

Quite a feat.

And they don't even realise this. Instead they cry and lament about antisomething.

Posted by: Darkness | Dec 5 2023 11:19 utc | 19

Daily Hamas SITREP

Triumphant Tone gone - on the other hand, the fighters claimed to be engaging IDF all over, knocking out beaucoup IDF from shoot and scoot tactics.

https://english.almanar.com.lb/1995259

Posted by: Exile | Dec 5 2023 11:21 utc | 20

Who Is Really Behind The Mass Slaughter In Gaza?
Why, USA of course.
Like they have been behind the killing of more than 20 million people since WWII. And still going at it full speed!
with friends like these!
https://www.calameo.com/read/0047058440fb5f99a1e84

Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 5 2023 11:21 utc | 21

Better start drone-proofing my house. And put twin 50’s on the roof of my car

Posted by: OldFart | Dec 5 2023 11:26 utc | 22

The US funds israel and its mass murder becouse the jews are in control of the American govenment both partys.
In control of all the media, and the military industral complex.

Thanks for your blog b, not least this post, spot on.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 5 2023 11:41 utc | 23

Who is really behind the Israeli mass slaughter of the people of Gaza?

It is not another country.
It is the cartel of international bankers.
They are the creators and destroyers of empires.
It is a simple deduction with sufficient understanding of the monetary system.
Most of our history proves it, once understood.
But nobody cares to know.
It is also the reason there are no statesmen in politics, now dominated by women, homosexuals and perverts, who can be controlled by intimidation and blackmail.
That's what Jeffery Epstein and the Maxwell's were up to.

Posted by: Little Black Duck | Dec 5 2023 11:49 utc | 24

US-Israel @ 18 - 600W

Israel has free health care and free higher education. Have you ever heard of such things in the US? No, instead let USAians pay taxes for Israei’s weapons so the country keeps having enough money to pay for these services for their citizens. To paraphrase the prime minster of Israel, we have the US tied around our little finger. Remember the USS Liberty!

Posted by: Quentin | Dec 5 2023 11:50 utc | 25

Without Israel in the region in 1960-90, there is a chance a single Arabian state would have emerged, from Nile to Basra to Oman, controlling enormous energy resources.

That might explain why most countries, including the Persian Gulf minnows, put up with Israel.

I don't see the situation existing today. Egypt and Syria won't bother to unite and try to grab the Arabian peninsula.

Meantime, do the West really want the israelis to move to their countries?

Israel lost when it gave back Sinai. A country is simply not viable in that small patch of land except as a vassal to a neighbour.

Only viability is to have Sinai, Lebanon up to Litani, East Bank and a portion of Syria almost to Damascus.

They probably thought the population would remain the same. With more jews immigrating and breeding, they can create a state with strategic depth while still being majority Jewsish.

Instead, it is their population which is falling. Without the influx of 2mn Russian Jews they probably would have made peace.

25 years later the situation had just gotten worse.

Posted by: chola3 | Dec 5 2023 11:52 utc | 26

Ironic that the US (Austin) would warn Israel of the risk of Stategic Defeat(tm).

Posted by: jared | Dec 5 2023 11:57 utc | 27

Iran has been repeatedly saying this. The Global South sees it too. Israel is doing as much to destroy US hegemony as Putin is.

Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 5 2023 12:00 utc | 28

kamala harris made a public statement that there are 5 points for Israel,it basically isnt allowed to win the war against hamas,blinkin said the same thing.The USA is hellbent on the 2 state ''solution'' that the palestinian arab leadership has rejected for the past 100 years.The arabs in west bank and gaza have been on welfare for 75 years,its the only life they know and destroying Israel is the only goal they have.How did the hamas leadership hiding in qatar become billionaires ?And they are not allowed to leave.12 million ukrainians have left ukraine,6 million syrians have levt syria but no plo/hamas administered arabs can leave .This is profiting somebody.If the west stopped funding PLO/HAMAS,their war making ability would collapse.Hamas wants as many civilian casualties as possible,they can only win a PR war.They use them as a human shield and they have said they have no responsibility to keep their citizens safe.Its UN agency responsibility and Israels.All you people who go on and on about the ''children''are manipulated.

Posted by: homer d | Dec 5 2023 12:00 utc | 29

I was born and raised during the vietnam war. I grew up and talked to many vets coming through the VA hospitals-the lucky ones. I talked to elderly patients who had been prisoners at concentration camps with serial numbers and all. I talked to grieving parents of collateral children killed in battle. I became a father to a casualty of war child. And I read a lot. What did I learn?

There is too much hate in the world. There has always been too much hate in the world. And there will always be too much hate in the world. And too much hubris. And too much greed. And ignorance.

What weaponry has accomplished for humankind to be the primary pillar of the economy of not only the USA but most advanced nations?

Here I rant. Thank you b. Shutting the tap requires courage and imagination-both in short supply.

Posted by: doctor ug | Dec 5 2023 12:04 utc | 30

What is the point now for Israel to take Gaza and the west bank? 22,000sq.km -> 28,000sq.km. Still a minnow without strategic depth. Once the oil era ends in 30-50 years, they cannot maintain the nukes.

BTW, anyone have any idea how many thermonuclear devices they have?

80 fission bombs wont be enough to destroy even Iran. If Syrians turtle up, can't even destroy them. With proper civilian bunkers, a fission bomb can kill 20,000 at best.

Even a hundred can kill only 2mn.If a million Palestines die, Syria and Lebanon might risk 2mn dead to take out Israel before their turn comes.

Posted by: chola3 | Dec 5 2023 12:05 utc | 31

Even a hundred can kill only 2mn.If a million Palestines die, Syria and Lebanon might risk 2mn dead to take out Israel before their turn comes.

Posted by: chola3 | Dec 5 2023 12:05 utc | 31

That's why it's called "The Samson Option". It's only good for a Final Fuck Y'all.

I have a theory that the Jewish Nukes were never meant for any middle eastern country, they were meant for the big powers (UK, US, Russia). They were meant to guarantee that they could always dictate to the big powers what their internal and foreign policy would be.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 5 2023 12:30 utc | 32

Without Israel in the region in 1960-90, there is a chance a single Arabian state would have emerged, from Nile to Basra to Oman, controlling enormous energy resources.

Posted by: chola3 | Dec 5 2023 11:52 utc | 26

Only under the Ottomans. The Arabs are too incompetent to rule themselves.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 5 2023 12:32 utc | 33

BTW, anyone have any idea how many thermonuclear devices they have? 31

"Thermonuclear" refers to H-bombs. Ordinary fission bombs are just plain nuclear.

Posted by: Catilina | Dec 5 2023 12:32 utc | 34

'Israel is doing as much to destroy US hegemony as Putin is.' -- Moses22

Nice. Probably you could replace 'as much' with 'more.'

Israel is our misfortune.

Posted by: Jim H | Dec 5 2023 12:35 utc | 35

It's not as black and white as you have prorated.

Posted by: Ahmed | Dec 5 2023 10:51 utc | 16

I agree it's not as black and white as I might have presented but you have to admit there's precious little grey in between ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 5 2023 12:35 utc | 36

8:

1967 Israel fought almost exclusively with non US equipment. Only some surplus half tracks. In -73 they were almost totally 'Murican. Why was that so? What happened?

Posted by: Catilina | Dec 5 2023 12:38 utc | 37

Is the ground shifting?

On Saturday Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said DOI faces a "strategic defeat" if it doesn't reduce civilian casualties in Gaza.

Two days before that the NYT published an article saying that DOI had Hamas' battle plan a year ago.

Yesterday, Reuters -- always in lockstep with the Deep State/MIC -- had as it's Main Headline this:
"Israel orders more Gazans to flee,
bombs areas where it sends them"

This morning the Reuters headline is this:
"Israeli forces storm Gaza's Khan Younis, hospitals overrun"
And the accompanying photo is of a Palestinian woman screaming in agony
as she carried on a stretcher.

Is support for DOI fracturing in the Deep State/MIC ?

Posted by: librul | Dec 5 2023 13:00 utc | 38

Without the influx of 2mn Russian Jews...

That was a death kiss to Israel. All those pretenders with their fresh circumcision wounds.

Posted by: Catilina | Dec 5 2023 13:02 utc | 39

@ Catilina | Dec 5 2023 13:02 utc | 39

True, but for Russia’s sake they shouldn’t go back!

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 5 2023 13:06 utc | 40

Even a hundred can kill only 2mn.If a million Palestines die, Syria and Lebanon might risk 2mn dead to take out Israel before their turn comes.

Posted by: chola3 | Dec 5 2023 12:05 utc | 31

Hard to say. I think that in the west, at this point, if you had a room with a thousand people and one jew walking around shooting them one at a time, no one would dare stop the jew even when he was reloading. That's how afraid people (especially the little sludge puddles that the jews put in power) are of them. Jews = at the same time "literally angels living among us" and something to be mortally afraid of.

Countries are the same. They'll watch, cowering in fear, as the others are slaughtered one at a time by this one farcical little group of 40% mongol + 40% turkish + 20% some other genetic mixture (as published by some israeli professor recently).

I think only China, Russia, Iran or North Korea are likely to stand up to them. At least I dearly hope so. Well, they know what's going to happen to them if they don't.

Posted by: Michael A | Dec 5 2023 13:07 utc | 41

"Thermonuclear" refers to H-bombs. Ordinary fission bombs are just plain nuclear.

Posted by: Catilina | Dec 5 2023 12:32 utc | 34

That's what i meant. How many of their nukes are fusion bombs of 250kT+?
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That was a death kiss to Israel. All those pretenders with their fresh circumcision wounds.

Posted by: Catilina | Dec 5 2023 13:02 utc | 39

You are likely right.

Posted by: chola3 | Dec 5 2023 13:08 utc | 42

“ it’s all from the U.S. The minute they turn off the tap, ”

But the US is just another iteration of the Ancient Anglo European Empires owned and run for the Ancient Owner's of Money that buys and controls all knowledge and technology.

They are the ones who are the proto Zionists going back centuries - before the mongrel bastard empire the US was even set to its task. They live not just in the US but in castles , villas and estates and secret islands in the Indian Ocean as well as the the Caribbean.
In great caves and highest places where they are gods.
Many have ensconced themselves into the wide open depopulated spaces of the 5 Eyes.
That’s why there are so many fascist thugs bred as praetorians there!

Some may even have homes in the Levant. But they are the ones who give the orders to their factories and managers and Generals. As usual the Military Man doesn’t give the whole answer and tries to play the proxy toy soldier card; when infact his bosses have always been the Hand behind ever evil of every Empire since the birth of the Holy Roman Empire - the First wholly owned and run Zion Project.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 5 2023 13:12 utc | 43

1967 Israel fought almost exclusively with non US equipment. Only some surplus half tracks. In -73 they were almost totally 'Murican. Why was that so? What happened?

Posted by: Catilina | Dec 5 2023 12:38 utc | 37

what happened after was pretty significant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

Posted by: Not Ewe | Dec 5 2023 13:17 utc | 44

what happened after was pretty significant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

Posted by: Not Ewe | Dec 5 2023 13:17 utc | 44

No time to build a new army in that time. The something must have happened just after the -67 war.

Posted by: Catilina | Dec 5 2023 13:25 utc | 45

I've been trying to explain that the Hegemon , controlled by Neocons is in charge of Israel , of political Islam, of all of the narrative about Gaza.

We are being fed a narrative that the eschatalogical religious garbage or the comptomatred envoys like Blair and Blinken, or the compromised takfiri imams of political islam are to be believed.

These people say what the US tells them to say . Not one word more, not one word less than what the hegemon needs to create am illusion.

There is only one way forward, which is to ignore what is on the news and place ourselves in the shoes of the Hegemon.

They want to run a Middle Eastern Empire on a desert which cannot therefore grow anything beyond the needs of villages.
So they create the Nazi narrative to empty Ukraine. They provide the indoctrination, the corruption and the weaponry and Russia does the genocide for them.

Now they want to empty the land, and it really doesn't matter what the world thinks,the US tells Netanyahu to propose re-structuring of the Middle East and to use Bronze Age scriptures to justify the genocide


Blinken and Netanyahu have less control over their words than a ventriloquist dummy, because at least a ventriloquist dummy isn't Kompromised. If anybody can compromise a ventriloquist dummy, I have to tell you, this AI idea has already gotten out of hand.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 5 2023 13:27 utc | 46

1967 Israel fought almost exclusively with non US equipment. Only some surplus half tracks. In -73 they were almost totally 'Murican. Why was that so? What happened?

Posted by: Catilina | Dec 5 2023 12:38 utc | 37

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Three letters: L, B, and J. Who I suppose would’ve flooded “Israel” with American armaments on very attractive terms long before 1967 except that he had his hands full with Vietnam.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 5 2023 13:36 utc | 47

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 5 2023 12:32 utc | 33
"The Arabs are too incompetent to rule themselves."

Not so sure about that.

The threat Khomeini posed to Israel/zionists was Islamic unification. My wayback machine records what Meta has erased: Khomeini's challenge to Muslims everywhere, including Arab Muslims (of which Iran harbors millions) to unite against the zionist entity.

Late in 2007 (iirc) GW Bush hosted a sham conference to "resolve" the I-P issue. (Iran was not invited.) In an adjacent confab hosted by a group called The Israel Project, David Wurmser worried that Muslims/Arabs/Iranians were getting "too confident."
Mother used to say Uppity.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?202444-1/annapolis-middle-east-summit

Posted by: ChasMark | Dec 5 2023 13:39 utc | 48

Just heard the socio path neocon John Bolton on Al-Jazeera. Not in favour of ethnic cleansing and wants the best for the Palestinians welfare, so he is for FORCED DISAPLACEMENT and the promotion of a THREE STATE SOLUTION, with some Palestinians settling in Egypt and the others in Jordan, both countries with viable economies where the Palestinians can prosper in their new homes. Oh, he also blamed the Arabs for weaponizing the Palestinians (You couldn't make this up!)-so glad that no one dared to weaponize the Zionist Jews. Phew! JB - once and idiot always an idiot.

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Dec 5 2023 13:43 utc | 49

But as we have seen, give them a little break and they're off to Syria to butcher other Sunnis alongside ISIS ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 5 2023 10:39 utc | 15

You have a truly unbelievable fantasy mixed in with a dab of ignorance.
No offence but if you keep up this sunni shia tirade you will start believing it just like Goebbless.
Do you think that powers working behind the scenes will proclaim their intentions and achievement for you to be informed? Your frustration for visible action is understandable.

Posted by: Joey | Dec 5 2023 13:44 utc | 50

Whilst it's patently obvious that Jews rule the West by owning its politicians, reports from "Israel" by Todd Sampson (au) and Louis Theroux (UK) make it equally obvious that nobody twists the arms of Jewish squattlers to force them to treat Palestinians and their children like vermin.

"Israel" is a shitty country because Zionist jews are shitty non-people.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 5 2023 13:49 utc | 51

Three letters: L, B, and J. Who I suppose would’ve flooded “Israel” with American armaments on very attractive terms long before 1967 except that he had his hands full with Vietnam.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 5 2023 13:36 utc | 47

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Or perhaps C, I, and A. Someone had to get rid of the insufficiently reliable JFK and ensure/enforce continuity across subsequent administrations.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 5 2023 13:49 utc | 52

Why is it that between the Sunni and the Shia it seems only the Shia are effective in opposing western imperialism while the Sunni are either powerless victims or willing accomplices?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 5 2023 9:14 utc | 10

(I tell you this as a member of Iranian diaspora. Someone who utilize methodology of Scientific Socialism to analyze facts and history.)

Shia is a National Liberation Theology developed by Iranians (Zoroastrians) when Arabs (Muslims) conquered Persia. It was the most practical way of transforming the religion of enemy against him, inventing a split in the mainstream Islam. Today we call this type of strategy, Soft War.
Fighting against Oppressor, Defending Justice, Readiness to Sacrifice (Karbala spirit) are among the most central values in Shia since centuries.
Shia Islam in the hand of National Bourgeoisie has proven to be very efficient against Imperialism but not that efficient in terms of providing Democratic Rights (we are not talking about "democracy" here) to the masses.

Posted by: Framarz | Dec 5 2023 13:50 utc | 53

Lol John Bolton also was tasked to ensure Juan Guaido is installed president of Venezuela.

John Boltons expiration date passed a looooong time ago

Posted by: Comandante | Dec 5 2023 13:52 utc | 54

The quoted statement of retired IDF Maj. General Yitzhak Brick is of great importance because it is proof, meaning evidence that can be used in court, that US officials bear criminal responsibility for all crimes the Zionist state has committed and is committing in this nightmare the Palestinians are in, but also the whole world which is watching helplessly.

The general put it simply, factually and correctly when he says - You have no capability. "… Everyone understands that we can’t fight this war without the United States. Period".

The IDF general's statement is just one of many similar ones including also from US officials.

The other necessary element for US officilas to be indicted, and convicted, is - knowledge that the substantial military support they provided and continue to provide was used for committing crimes.

As the Zionist mass murder operation is broadcast daily all over the world through all forms of media - the US officials know.

We also know they know because they publisize their engagement with Israel in, allegedly, minimising civilian casualties and insisting, allegedly, on more aid being let in for the people who are being relentlessly murdered while cynically being called Hamas members by the murderers in Tel Aviv.

The criminal responsibility of high US (and Israely) officials is so clear that it is impossible for the ICC not to issue indictments in a reasonable time frame.

If it does not in such a clear-cut case, it is not a court of law, but just another tool of western interests.

Posted by: JB | Dec 5 2023 13:52 utc | 55

Hmm...

@Posted by: librul | Dec 5 2023 13:00 utc | 38

Reuters just flipped it's headline from one being anti-genocide
to: DOI as victim.

Reuters Main Headline at this moment:

"Accounts of sexual violence in Hamas attack mount but justice is remote for Israel's [DOI] victims"

Posted by: librul | Dec 5 2023 13:52 utc | 56

Countries are the same. They'll watch, cowering in fear, as the others are slaughtered one at a time by this one farcical little group of 40% mongol + 40% turkish + 20% some other genetic mixture
Posted by: Michael A | Dec 5 2023 13:07 utc | 41

I don't agree. If you are not from a country with 2 generation of materialism, your thoughts will differ.

1. Shia are different. They are the branch of Islam which decided Mohammed's daughter is the rightful heir due to blood while Sunnis went with his widow because her father is powerful.

2. The story is, whenever Israel attacked Lebanon, the PLO will run from their southern camps to Beirut; the Hezbollah will rush from Beirut to the south.

The current Hamas is a sort of anomaly.

3. Syria is battle hardened.
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Wait until 50-100k are killed.

Israel is going all-in and i can't even blame them; except they should have the balls to attack Egypt or Jordan, then push their undesirables there. Still nasty but not as much as killing women and children.

Israel is being squeezed. Hamas can start an uprising in west bank anytime. Syria can start showing its claws over Golan Heights.

Look at Yemen. Purposely throwing harmless missiles. Are they stupid? They are escalating in small steps. Steps too small for Israel to press the nuke button.

Same process as in Syria and Ukraine.

The day a hundred military graduates were killed in Syria, after Russia having just told warned Israel, i knew Russia has had enough. Don't you remember an Israeli minister barking that they will deal with Russia after they are done with the pallys? They know.

(Nasrallah had mentioned months ago that Israel is weakening so fast that he might be able to pray in al Aqsa before he dies. He is as serious a man as Putin)

Posted by: chola3 | Dec 5 2023 13:53 utc | 57

49 -OOPS! DISPLACEMENT!!!

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Dec 5 2023 13:54 utc | 58

Re # 43 'They are the ones who are the proto Zionists going back centuries' ... Ezra who lived in the 5th century BC was a proto-Zionist and Nehemiah who later followed the-return-to-Jerusalem brigade, to administer the vassal Persian state called Judea.

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Dec 5 2023 14:01 utc | 59

Careful observers are not distracted by the blood soaked White House circus act. What the world is witnessing is familiar to those of us who are aware of History. We will not be mesmerized by the daily doses of fascist propaganda masquerading as nightly News.

We are observing White Western Judeo-Christian Biblical genocidal atrocities.

Ask the people of Africa. They know. Ask the people of China. They know. Ask the people of North and South America. They know all about these trails of tears...

Posted by: Ali | Dec 5 2023 14:04 utc | 60

Who is really behind the Israeli mass slaughter of the people of Gaza?

Just because the US is supplying all the weaponry, does not mean the US is "behind" the slaughter.

This might be a subtle mistranslation of the meaning of "behind" - in idiomatic English, "behind" in this context means not only the enabling of something, but the primary driver behind it.

So, yes, if the US cut off the supply of weaponry, the slaughter would cease... but if (say) some other supplier were to give Israel the weaponry, the slaughter would resume.

The people "behind" the slaughter of the Gazans - IMHO - are a mixture of Israeli and Western Zionists and empire loyalists (who are idiologically driven to "cleanse" Eretz Israel and weaken the anti-Anglo-American-Empire states), and the Western MIC (who stand to profit)

Posted by: Observer | Dec 5 2023 14:09 utc | 61

Putin is due to visit KSA et al soon and wrap up with Raisi on return in Moscow. They are expected to discuss Gaza extensively. One can hope that point of colonialism can be conveyed. Israel is a European Colonial Project in the heart of west Asia. It has nothing to do with religion any more than as a useful policy tool, e.g. Zionism. Russia needs to recognize a unified and sensible approach to colonialism worldwide, not just in Africa.

Posted by: liveload | Dec 5 2023 14:11 utc | 62

Little Black Duck | Dec 5 2023 11:49 utc | 24

Thank you!!!
Simple truth covered by many layers and veils.

In this respect @pq is also so very right, going right to the heart of the matter, it is just the latest horror inflicted by the thugs serving the insatiable god of greed.

USA is the proxy, the tool, like that terrifying machine from the Avatar movie, operated by the cruel stupid military person.
('It is, the movie set in the mid-22nd century, when humans are colonizing Pandora, a lush habitable moon of a gas giant in the Alpha Centauri star system, in order to mine the valuable mineral unobtanium.[a] The expansion of the mining colony threatens the continued existence of a local tribe of Na'vi, a humanoid species indigenous to Pandora. The title of the film refers to a genetically engineered Na'vi body operated from the brain of a remotely located human that is used to interact with the natives of Pandora.').

Now, reading the script above, it is always the same old story,and not new. All discussions about religion,culture, ethnicity and similar are just misleading and covering the real truth of the matter.

NB @ Arch Bungle

Please try to read and learn something from the immensely rich&old history of the region of which you obviously do not know ( based on your comments, such as 'Arabs incapable to govern themselves' and similar picked from the brainwashing garbage of the western media ). The colonialism in its latest suicidal stage is giving you, via information they control, the false picture about old and very sophisticated cultures. You thus can not know how young Europe is, and how primitive till quite recently, compared to the Orient. Just after their worldwide robberies ( the latest in progress now), did they start to think highly of themselves. Garden, pljuc...

Some ideas:

- Hitty, The history of Arabs is a good start and introduction
- Corbin, The Philosophy of Islam ( a lot of info on Shia philosophy and history)
- Russel, Heirs to forgotten kingdoms ( fascinating, the many faiths coexisting in the Middle east, some still here )
- Goodwin, Lords of the horizons ( history of the ottoman Empire, beautifully writen)

Posted by: stranger | Dec 5 2023 14:18 utc | 63

Why is it that between the Sunni and the Shia it seems only the Shia are effective in opposing western imperialism while the Sunni are either powerless victims or willing accomplices?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 5 2023 9:14 utc | 10

I think part of it at least is because the Sunnis are generally living in states ruled by autocracies that stay in power because they're propped up by the US. They pay lip service to public opinion, but will never do anything to take on US/Israeli hegemony - like devise or build an effective resistance - because that's what keeps them in power. The Shiites are different in that they are not subservient to regimes that need the US to keep them in power. Iran is a (defective) democracy, which means its own electorate matters more to the ruling regime than the support of the US does. The other effective Shiite resistance groups are sub-state actors who aren't looking to the US to prop up their regimes because they're not the ruling regime anyway.

Posted by: Diane | Dec 5 2023 14:18 utc | 64

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 5 2023 9:14 utc | 10

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Being at odds with America for so long has inspired the Shia to militarize. The Sunni nations have been offered the path of least resistance; as should be expected of humans, they have taken it. The Iranians had no such choice after the revolution.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 5 2023 14:20 utc | 65

1967 Israel fought almost exclusively with non US equipment. Only some surplus half tracks. In -73 they were almost totally 'Murican. Why was that so? What happened?

Posted by: Catilina | Dec 5 2023 12:38 utc | 37

USS Liberty

Posted by: Zargo | Dec 5 2023 14:26 utc | 66

Israel has been the beneficiary of US debt spending to purchase American weapons from America's favorite political donors. The MIC.

The racket is easy to understand. The MIC has tried to do the same thing with KSA and other "friendly" Sunni nations. It's good for shareholders, it's good for domestic jobs, it's great for Lindsey Graham.

I'll never forget Trump going to the ME to shamelessly promote the F-35.

A very typically American weapon. Expensive, limited, and difficult to maintain.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 5 2023 14:27 utc | 67

Observer 61

Yes mate, they're called Neocons and they run the US at the present time

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 5 2023 14:29 utc | 68

It is also the reason there are no statesmen in politics, now dominated by women, homosexuals and perverts, who can be controlled by intimidation and blackmail.
Posted by: Little Black Duck | Dec 5 2023 11:49 utc | 24

Are you pining for the days of 'statesmen' like Kissinger then?
Sexual blackmail doesn't work when no one gives a shit who you fuck, those days are long gone. Although the real perverts are still in the churches, same as always.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 5 2023 14:51 utc | 69

The Iranians had no such choice after the revolution.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 5 2023 14:20 utc | 65

Your explanation makes historical and rational sense.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 5 2023 14:52 utc | 70

Shia is a National Liberation Theology developed by Iranians (Zoroastrians) when Arabs (Muslims) conquered Persia. It was the most practical way of transforming the religion of enemy against him, inventing a split in the mainstream Islam. Today we call this type of strategy, Soft War.

Posted by: Framarz | Dec 5 2023 13:50 utc | 53

This also makes historical and rational sense.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 5 2023 14:55 utc | 71

Try harder to understand the level of support Israel has in US. Tell me all you want about how younger Americans are differently indoctrinated. Tell me all about encouraging signs. Elite Americans drink Palestinian blood and love it.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 5 2023 15:03 utc | 72

Well, the follow up question for the Rest of the World after that answer is: "Do we need a BDS Movement for USA?"

Given USA has been one of the last staunch defenders of horrible tyrants and colonization efforts, the answer might be uncomfortable for my beleaguered USA country. ;) But then besides FIRE sector speculation, shitty spyware services, and bad movies what else do we make to BDS? ;) I kid, I kid. Without our SPAM canned meat, plastic American cheese, and puffed cereal snacks the world'll starve, right? ;)

Posted by: titmouse | Dec 5 2023 15:03 utc | 73

Hamas is a terrorist organization and Israel has the right to exist

Posted by: Jacob | Dec 5 2023 15:06 utc | 74

Posted by: Framarz | Dec 5 2023 13:50 utc | 53

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I don't claim to be an expert on this subject.

As I understand it, the Shia/Sunni split had to do with succession after the death of the Prophet (PBUH).

As bitter as any contested will scenario.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 5 2023 15:07 utc | 75

Posted by: Jacob | Dec 5 2023 15:06 utc | 74

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The Founding Fathers were terrorists and Great Britain was the rightful ruler of America. 😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 5 2023 15:10 utc | 76

Israel is a terrorist organization and Hamas has the right to exist
Posted by: Jacob | Dec 5 2023 15:06 utc | 74

There, fixed it for ya!

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 5 2023 15:10 utc | 77

@ Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Dec 5 2023 14:01 utc | 59
“ Re # 43 'They are the ones who are the proto Zionists going back centuries' ... Ezra who lived in the 5th century BC was a proto-Zionist and Nehemiah who later followed the-return-to-Jerusalem brigade, to administer the vassal Persian state called Judea.”

Lol Geraint, I tend to a later birth date for that idea, you may be right, but I doubt that can be proved by any historical record from that time.

I can’t track the Khazarian converts back that far … 😉

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 5 2023 15:14 utc | 78

For Lavrov's Dog, Exile and others interested in the legal aspects:


https://www.jadaliyya.com/Details/45555
Here you can find a video with a panel of experts legal questions regarding the legality of the Israeli operation, the regulation of the use of force, as well as the charge of genocide.

Among them Richard Falk says that (unfortunately) geopolitics has taken primacy over international law in the case of Israel. He says that civil society (aka barflies and general public) needs to take up the cause in large numbers, that only public pressure can force a move back towards the law.

Noura Erakat gives an excellent explanation of how Israel is trying to play games with the law. ICJ 2004 ruled that Israel is a belligerent occupying power and has no right to self defense. Israel by building a wall around Gaza and laying siege to it, argues that Gaza is in a LEGAL BLACK HOLE (am paraphrasing).

So what's going on in Gaza according to Israel is neither an international armed conflict, nor a civil war, nor a riot...they've come up with their own definition of it so that no rules apply.

The ongoing lawfare is very much a product of the War on Terror narratives which allowed for NATO and the US to act across West Asia in total terrorist mode with complete impunity.
On the Electronic Intifada podcast Jon Elmer said that lawyers are present with the Israeli Genocide Forces to come up with creative legal excuses for kiling hundreds of people at a time. They are preparing this stuff even as they carpet bomb Gaza.

The site has a lot of good interviews and podcasts including with Mouin Rabbani and Adel Iskander.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NcgvKvoiSo


Posted by: pq | Dec 5 2023 15:18 utc | 79

Novara Media (UK) YouTube channel:

Norman Finkelstein On Israel’s Illegal War
(56 minutes)

Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 5 2023 15:23 utc | 80

@Catilina: Deepthroat’s backstabbing of Nixon & Kissinger’s deep voice taking over US government’s day to day business, while Nixon was busy defending himself on Watergate

Posted by: Amir | Dec 5 2023 15:23 utc | 81

Being at odds with America for so long has inspired the Shia to militarize. The Sunni nations have been offered the path of least resistance; as should be expected of humans, they have taken it. The Iranians had no such choice after the revolution.
posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 5 2023 14:20 utc | 65

Imperialists always give you a choice. Previous government in Iran for instance was offered one, called JCPOA. At the end of the day, domestic balance of power (class struggle), cultural values, historical awareness of the population decide if you give up or defend your independence. Within this frame Shia as national liberation theology play a progressive role.

Posted by: Framarz | Dec 5 2023 15:28 utc | 82

I believe the Zionist regime must be put down. Maybe the khazars will leave or stay on in equality with the locals. The only issue for me is the israeli nukes.

I don't understand though why people say a *genocide* is happening when not even 2% of gazans are dead yet. It is a heavy word.

The air force does the murders. Seems the Israeli army doesn't seem to have the guts to massacre people.

The war crimes in Algeria was far worse; committed by the enlightened French.

How about the gang rape of Yemen by fellow arabs? Total blockade and starvation which Israel has copied. Same in Syria by all the Sunni Arabs (including Hamas).

just ranting.

Posted by: chola3 | Dec 5 2023 15:30 utc | 83

Posted by: Framarz | Dec 5 2023 15:28 utc | 82

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Islam has always been a liberation theology going back 1400+ years.

That long predates the existence of the dangerously infantile United States of America.

The JCPOA is a blink in time relative to the history of Shia Iran.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 5 2023 15:33 utc | 84

Just speaking from my own daily experience. I live in a heavily Jewish area. Totally impossible to get a fix on that - first page of search results put the Jewish population anywhere from 3% to 40%. And they don't care. They like the ambiguity. I will guess 20% and immediately to north or west it is higher.

American Jewry - my experience - is gleeful. They are laughing and celebrating. What we see as soulless slaughter they see as the best time they ever had. They want blood and more blood. And more blood. And novel entertaining ways to have that blood.

Most Americans are totally disengaged. Don't know the difference between Palestine and Israel, no prayer of finding them on a map. For American Jews it is family. They are on the phone daily to their elected representatives. They smell victory. They love the smell of blood more than they love their own children.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 5 2023 15:36 utc | 85

Because it needs to be repeated

"
Who is really behind the Israeli mass slaughter of the people of Gaza?

It is not another country.
It is the cartel of international bankers.
They are the creators and destroyers of empires.
It is a simple deduction with sufficient understanding of the monetary system.
Most of our history proves it, once understood.
But nobody cares to know.
It is also the reason there are no statesmen in politics, now dominated by women, homosexuals and perverts, who can be controlled by intimidation and blackmail.
That's what Jeffery Epstein and the Maxwell's were up to.
Posted by: Little Black Duck | Dec 5 2023 11:49 utc | 24
"

Humanity is in a civilization war about private/public finance.....pick a side

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 5 2023 15:45 utc | 86

You know, it's true us imperialism is behind the genocide. But, why do we even need to state that? It should have been terribly obvious just as it was in Syria and Ukraine.

I think the reason there is even debate on the topic is because a very large, activist and influential section of the ruling class of the US are now Zionists. That is as clear as a brick in the face.

Just look at the masters of the universe in finance: Zionists. The political elite: Zionists. Media elite: Zionists. Because of this fact, it is logical that intelligent people feel that perhaps US imperialism is not even run for the strategic interests of the US itself as a nation or even in the interests of its ruling class as a whole.

Mershheimer's book on AIPAC and the Iraq war was the first clear statement of the new relationship between Israel and US imperialism, but I think the influence of the former over the latter runs much deeper than even Mershheimer realized at the time.

I think ultimately Hudson is right. US imperialism loves Israel because it allows them a military bridgehead in the middle east, but what's not clear is whether the interests of US imperialism are even its own any more. Has it reached such a stage of disintegration that it has become a mere plaything of the most influential special interests?

Has the political/cultural/economic breakdown reached a point where there is no real national leadership anymore and the blind bohemoth is just fed on by an eclectic packs of ruling class wolves, each with their own agenda?

If this is the case, imperialism is in such an advanced state of decay it cannot last much longer. When the ruling class has become a centrifugal force driving the leading elements in different directions, pursuing different causes of dubious value to imperialism itself, it is on the verge of collapse.

In this sense, I think Crooke's most recent article is likely accurate. An unprecedented breakdown in the US itself is inevitable and will likely arrive sooner than most expect. Months, not years, by the look of things.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 5 2023 15:49 utc | 87

In 2012 Netanyahu claimed that Iran is just “a few months away” from attaining nuclear capabilities.

In 2009, Netanyahu warned a U.S. Congressional delegation that Iran was “probably one or two years away from developing weapons capability.

Again in 2009, Netanyahu warned “Iran has the capability now to make one bomb” adding that alternatively “they could wait and make several bombs in a year or two.”

In 1996, Netanyahu warned, “If Iran were to acquire nuclear weapons, this could presage catastrophic consequences, not only for my country, and not only for the Middle East, but for all mankind,” adding that, “the deadline for attaining this goal is getting extremely close.”

In 1995, Netanyahu asserted that Iran would have a nuclear weapon in “three to five years.”

In 1992, Netanyahu claimed that Iran was “three to five years” away from reaching nuclear weapons.

In 1990, Netanyahu asserted "America is a golden calf and we will suck it dry, chop it up, and sell it off piece by piece until there is nothing left but the world's biggest welfare state that we will create and control. Why? Because it is the will of God, and America is big enough to take the hit so we can do it again and again and again. This is what we do to countries that we hate. We destroy them very slowly and make them suffer for refusing to be our slaves." This is the only Netanyahu prediction that has actually come true!!!!

PS> You haven't lived until you watch this!!!

https://rumble.com/v3zmtnm-viva-palestine.html

Posted by: scamdemic | Dec 5 2023 15:57 utc | 88

Shia is a National Liberation Theology developed by Iranians (Zoroastrians)
(@Farmarz)
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Not true.

@Arch Bungle: please see
https://www.al-islam.org/#explore-shia-sunni-block

Posted by: ram | Dec 5 2023 15:59 utc | 89

Posted by: scamdemic | Dec 5 2023 15:57 utc | 88

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Bibi is also the guy who testified in front of the US Congress that Saddam had WMDs.

He's got one song, and the Americans love to hear it on repeat.

Maybe not all Americans, but certainly the MIC, and hard-core "patriot" Christian Zionists like our friend Jacob @ 74.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 5 2023 16:05 utc | 90

All wars are bankers wars they sell arms and bandaids to both sides. However the Palestine vermin must be purged like rats being purged from a building. They support hamas and enable them by allowing them to do what they want like building tunnels under hospitals and kids schools.

Posted by: Laura Ann | Dec 5 2023 16:16 utc | 91

What happened between 1967 and 1973? First -67 US and Israel were almost enemies and shooting each other, then they suddenly -73 were best of buddies and all the IDF was equipped with seemingly free finest US stuff.

Posted by: Catilina | Dec 5 2023 8:44 utc | 5

Kissinger happened.

Shafted S. Vietnam with the so-called peace agreement, then took the aid to Israel the next year.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 5 2023 16:16 utc | 92

After Gaza is purged by Israel, the land can be returned to fertile farm land in the south and resorts along the M. sea. Amen, and may Israel accomplish their mission. Palestine folks can migrate to the West bank and elsewhere.

Posted by: Laura Ann | Dec 5 2023 16:19 utc | 93

40% mongol + 40% turkish + 20% some other genetic mixture (as published by some israeli professor recently).
Posted by: Michael A | Dec 5 2023 13:07 utc | 41

FWIW, this putative taxonomy conflates linguistic "family," geographic "family," and national "family" classification systems invented by descendants of European crusaders. For example, "turkish" is a 20th cen. national identity epitomized by Ata-. Suffice to say, however, until the advent of specialized racism, European academies were content to categorize the species of neandertal and denisovan allele-bearing ethnic migrants, who populated central and peripheral regions of Asian Minor, descending with the Volga from Arctic steppes into the Black and Caspian Seas, "tatars"—not turks, ottomans, or musselmen—literally, the families of Altaic language speakers (Turkic-, Moghul-, Mongol-, and Manchu-Tungus) who ultimately shredded the "horde".

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 5 2023 16:35 utc | 94

In this sense, I think Crooke's most recent article is likely accurate. An unprecedented breakdown in the US itself is inevitable and will likely arrive sooner than most expect. Months, not years, by the look of things.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 5 2023 15:49 utc | 87

Yeah. As I said, I think the wheels are coming off the chariot. How long it will take, how bad it will be is another matter, will depend on the institution of new leadership, when and how that happens. But these people who have been running things since the fall of the USSR are on the way out, finally.

I don't always agree with Crooke, but he has insights I don't find elsewhere too, because he is an old school anglo diplomat, he knows our culture, the way I do.

I have to discipline my enthusiasm here, try to be realistic, but the signs are everywhere now. They have been "papering" things over and playing pretend since 2008, but that won't do the job now.

The Israelis show their desperation in their extremism too, they don't have long and they know it. Hamas is not winning, but they are not losing either. When the Israelis run out of bullets and bombs is when it will really start to get interesting, just as in Ukraine now. They have permanently be-shit themselves with this Gaza operation, it will be iconic, and not in a good way.

Right now in S. Gaza they are still looking for the Hamas leadership, that is their idea of a win. They won't find them.

Stay the course, it's coming.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 5 2023 16:36 utc | 95

"....The minute they turn off the tap, you can’t keep fighting. You have no capability...."

turn off the tap
end the slaughter and all the crimes against humanity

Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 5 2023 16:37 utc | 96

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 5 2023 15:36 utc | 85

I was invited to a Synagogue service in an affluent West Coast liberal area to celebrate the story of Esther.. It was the most bizarre thing I ever imagined as Ii am accustomed to mild mannered Protestants. The Jews were celebrating the Cannonite genocide because they were strong and the Rabbi told them everyone hates you because you are Jewish, complete with rock band. I was always skeptical about the most egregious antisemitic tropes, but it clearly struck me as an ancient death cult wrapped up in a modern package. My friend thought nothing of it.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Dec 5 2023 16:39 utc | 97

Scamdemic 88

Classic way to make fake politicians look wise. Pre-interview warn them that the anchor will be mildly abusive.
Statesmanship in a world without statesmen or women.

Classic way to make genuine politicians look like liars. Ask them the same stupid question 15 times. Piers Morgan style.
Piers Morgan's salary is 10 times larger than Jeremy Corbyn's.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 5 2023 16:39 utc | 98

What happened between 1967 and 1973? First -67 US and Israel were almost enemies and shooting each other, then they suddenly -73 were best of buddies and all the IDF was equipped with seemingly free finest US stuff.

France used to be Israel's biggest provider of weapons back then, they even helped their nuclear program in return for help in Algeria.

Eisenhower and Kennedy followed a balanced middle east strategy and weren't pro-Israel, for example Eisenhower told Ben Guiron to get out of Siani and JFK said quit building nuclear weapons.

And Of course everything changed on November 22 1963...

Posted by: Ahmed | Dec 5 2023 16:42 utc | 99

What happened between 1967 and 1973? First -67 US and Israel were almost enemies and shooting each other, then they suddenly -73 were best of buddies and all the IDF was equipped with seemingly free finest US stuff.

France used to be Israel's biggest provider of weapons back then, they even helped their nuclear program in return for help in Algeria.

Eisenhower and Kennedy followed a balanced middle east strategy and weren't pro-Israel, for example Eisenhower told Ben Guiron to get out of Siani and JFK said quit building nuclear weapons.

And Of course everything changed on November 22 1963...

Posted by: Ahmed | Dec 5 2023 16:43 utc | 100

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