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December 13, 2023
U.S. Military Has More Unfeasible Plans For Ukraine

Yesterday the Biden administration 'declassified' laughable numbers about alleged Russian losses. It did not help. Zelenski's mission to get more money from Congress has failed:

Following a roughly 30-minute meeting with Zelensky – their first one-on-one encounter – House Speaker Mike Johnson said the Biden administration’s response to congressional Republicans’ demands has been “insufficient,” and reiterated his stance that a deal remains unlikely without a “transformative change” at the border.

The Republicans also asked the White House for its strategy in Ukraine. But as the New York Times reported yesterday, there is none.

U.S. and Ukraine Search for a New Strategy After Failed Counteroffensive

American and Ukrainian military leaders are searching for a new strategy that they can begin executing early next year to revive Kyiv’s fortunes and flagging support for the country’s war against Russia, according to U.S. and Ukrainian officials.

The United States is stepping up the face-to-face military advice it provides to Ukraine, dispatching a three-star general to Kyiv to spend considerable time on the ground. U.S. and Ukrainian military officers say they hope to work out the details of a new strategy next month in a series of war games scheduled to be held in Wiesbaden, Germany.

That the counter-offensive had failed has been obvious since mid of June. A reason for the failure were fake war-games during which the parameters were skewed until the games showed that Ukraine would win:

Logic dictates that any responsible use of the KORA simulation system would have predicted the failure of the 47th Brigade’s attack. According to The Washington Post, the officers of the 47th Brigade “planned their assaults and then let the [KORA] program show them the results – how their Russian enemies might respond, where they could make a breakthrough and where they would suffer losses.” The KORA simulation allowed the Ukrainian officers to coordinate their actions “to test how they’d work together on the battlefield.”

Given that the Ukrainian force structure was insufficient to accomplish the mission-critical task of suppression, there was no chance for the Ukrainian forces to accomplish the actual assault requirements of a breaching operation – the destruction of enemy forces on the opposite side of the obstacle barrier being breached. The Ukrainians, however, came away from their KORA experience confident that they had crafted a winning plan capable of overcoming the Russian defenses in and around Orekhov.

When one examines the structure of a KORA-based simulation, it becomes clear that the system is completely dependent upon the various inputs which define the simulation as a whole.

Now the U.S. is sending one of its generals to take command of the Ukrainian army and will launch more war games. To what outcome will their parameters be skewed.

Apparently the time since late June was insufficient to come up with a new strategy for Ukraine. This will not do:

Some in the U.S. military want Ukraine to pursue a “hold and build” strategy — to focus on holding the territory it has and building its ability to produce weapons over 2024. The United States believes the strategy will improve Ukraine’s self-sufficiency and ensure Kyiv is in a position to repel any new Russian drive.

The goal would be to create enough of a credible threat that Russia might consider engaging in meaningful negotiations at the end of next year or in 2025.

At the same time, Ukrainian officials are examining strategies that build on their successful deep strikes on Crimea last fall. They are searching for creative ways to keep Russia off balance with attacks against arms factories, weapons depots and train lines for moving munitions, and to score symbolic victories. One Ukrainian former senior military official declined to discuss the proposals but said the new plan is being refined and is “very daring.”

The plan is that Ukraine will go into defense mode while committing more terrorism. But why would Russia let Ukraine build real defense lines? Ukraine is starved of artillery ammunition. It does not have the troops to hold all lines.

And whatever line it can build will break under intensive fire.

In the Summer of 1943, after German attack on Kursk had failed, the Soviets went into an offensive mode that did not stop until its troops captured Berlin. The German army retreated to defense lines, then retreated again and again – all the way back to Berlin. It took nearly two years, but the outcome was obvious as soon as the attack on Kursk had failed.

I expect something similar to happen in Ukraine.

The U.S. is starting its typical mission creep:

Gen. Christopher G. Cavoli, the top American commander in Europe, has been taking a bigger role in coordinating with Ukrainian officials.

The Pentagon has also decided to dispatch Lt. Gen. Antonio A. Aguto Jr., who commands the support of Ukraine from a base in Germany, to spend lengthy periods of time in Kyiv. General Aguto will work more directly with the country’s military leadership to improve the advice the United States is offering, American officials said. While the White House has opted not to have U.S. military advisers in the country permanently, General Aguto’s frequent rotations in and out of Kyiv would inch toward the end of that restriction.

A three star general does not come alone. He has a full group of staff, dozens, which will now become military advisors on the ground in Ukraine. They will also become priority targets.

And what do those advisors know about an industrial warfare that Ukraine soldiers do not know. Well, nothing.

Yves Smith as well as Simplicius have further thoughts on this.

I for one see no change yet of the trajectory Ukraine is on. It is losing badly while its propaganda is still claiming victory. Consider this from today's Washington Post:

Loud explosions jolted many residents out of bed around 3 a.m. in central Kyiv, followed by air raid alert sirens a few minutes later. Ukraine’s air force said that antiaircraft defenses shot down all 10 ballistic missiles that were launched at Kyiv. That assertion could not be independently confirmed.

Multiple missile impacts happened BEFORE the air alarm went on. But the Ukrainian military claims to have shut all incoming missiles down. That does not sound like a plausible time line to me. I, in fact believe that the few air defense system Kiev was give, like its artillery, pretty much out of ammunition.

With no further aid coming from the U.S., and potentially also not from Europe, it is high time to shut the war down.

Comments

I think it was Simplicius who pointed out that Russia has created a number of cauldrons all along the line of contact. Most of these are inactive at this time, with the glaring exception of Avdeevka (and the Ukie army created a cauldron for itself in Robotino). I suspect that as the Ukrainian army grows weaker and Russia finds that a particular cauldron is thinly defended it will seize the opportunity and attack there.
Which brings me to the new western strategy of holding the present lines, which is only slightly less delusional than the old one of a counteroffensive to take Crimea. They seriously believe that Ukraine can hold onto Avdeevka? It seems that the US/Ukraine is backing away from their delusions in baby steps. Coming to grips with the reality on the ground is a long way off. I expect that Ukraine will continue to retreat after it is too late, only to fall back to new positions that it can’t build up in time to hold. An ongoing clusterfuck in a clusterfucked nation.

Posted by: Mike R | Dec 13 2023 19:52 utc | 101

@Paul from Norway | Dec 13 2023 19:41 utc | 97

Standing ovations from the Norwegian Parliment. Met with the Norwegian Royal family.

Traitors. Nobody can say the Royal Family is above politics after this.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 13 2023 19:52 utc | 102

It’s becoming harder and harder to maintain the fiction that the US is not the driving force behind the war:
“The Pentagon has also decided to dispatch Lt. Gen. Antonio A. Aguto Jr., who commands the support of Ukraine from a base in Germany, to spend lengthy periods of time in Kyiv.” (NY Times)

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 13 2023 19:57 utc | 103

Jonathan 22:
The defeat of the West in Ukraine, as it is now beginning to appear, would be the best thing that could happen to the democracies of Europe so that they can finally begin to become free, independent and self-confident states again after 1945 – but they have been taught that they are not allowed to want what is self-evident for the USA, Russia and China.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 13 2023 19:59 utc | 104

Posted by: Mike R | Dec 13 2023 19:52 utc | 101
Everything is narrative control.
You could visualize it by drawing a line on X/Y axis representing combat effectiveness of AFU over time, which is mostly and steadily downward (like for illustration, say it has dropped most of the time from 100 % to 30 % with small hick-ups and temporary boosts along the way). Say it has dropped from 100% to 30 % in 22 months.
The MSM narrative control meanwhile draws a line that maintains (or represents) AFU combat effectiveness at more or less around 90 % for the first 17 months. Suddenly, at 18 months, they draw a massive vertical line down to 30 %. However, almost immediately after, they draw the line back up and represent AFU effectiveness again at 70% or 80%. I.e. it crashed, but then again became almost equivalent fighting force that it was in the beginning.
So there is, a vast majority of time, a massive mismatch between what is represented and what is actually going on. It’s straight out, well, by definition it is Goebbels/nazi propaganda.
It seems the majority of people are so dumbed down that they can simply keep this mismatch representation going on forever! The thing can be completely memory holed in 5 days if need be. That is both scary and dangerous, but it is what it is. It is done for the purpose of convincing certain next dumb sheep that Russia lost in a massive way so the certain dumb sheep volunteer for slaughter next.
Nothing the MSM ever tells you is by accident, it is designed to influence your behavior in some intended way.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 13 2023 20:04 utc | 105

Thanks for replies from Don Bacon & Echo Chamber. Today’s Global Times editorial, “Greatest risk for US businesses comes from within Capitol Hill”, talks about the source of what will likely become the suggestions for the next round of Anti-China sanctions that have all failed since Trump and show that the Outlaw US Empire has yet to learn that sanctions against nations like Russia and China don’t work and actually boomerang to harm the Empire instead. The two opening paragraphs provide a good synopsis:

On December 12, the US and the global business community once again experienced a wave of shock. The US House “Select Committee on the Strategic Competition Between the United States and the Chinese Communist Party” released a 53-page report on that day, advocating to “reset the terms of economic relationship with China,” which is essentially promoting a “comprehensive decoupling” from the Chinese economy. The report listed nearly 150 policy recommendations, including moving China from its current tariff classification, basically a mishmash of ideas on how to achieve “decoupling.” Reuters has referred to this as the “2024 legislative ‘blueprint’ for countering China” proposed by the committee, which is a sensationalized portrayal, but the report exposes the discernible distorted and pathological psychological state of some American politicians.
The “select committee” does not have the authority to draft or modify laws; it can only make recommendations to the permanent legislative committees of Congress. In other words, there is a high level of uncertainty regarding how many of the nearly 150 recommendations listed in the report will actually be implemented. A common view in the US is that many of the suggestions in the report may never be adopted. However, even so, the report’s toxic effect on the atmosphere toward China within Congress and the US is evident. This is precisely the sinister purpose that the drafters of the report aim to achieve.

“Sinister” is an excellent word choice. The blindness of Outlaw US Empire politicians to their nation’s geoeconomic dependency on Russia and China has caused much harm to be done to the domestic economy and only served to poison relations.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2023 20:05 utc | 106

Interesting typologies: people who generally fall into these categories tend to be
1. Pro-Israel and Pro-Ukraine = unreflective western liberals/nourished by western MSM
2. Pro-Palestine and Pro-Ukraine = ‘progressive’ college kids and inner city LGBTI+
3. Pro-Israel and Pro-Russian = reactionary right authoritarians? Milei seems to be in this category.
4. Anti-Israel/Pro-Palestine and Pro-Russian = MoA Marxist conspiracy theorists (like me) who refuse to accept that the USA and Israel are the only hope for democracy and human flourishing.
Feel free to finesse.

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 13 2023 20:05 utc | 107

Posted by: jared | Dec 13 2023 18:01 utc | 71
You’ll know when America has produced some military gear to give to Ukraine.
They’ll give the Ukrainians money again.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 13 2023 20:06 utc | 108

re: bevin | Dec 13 2023 19:09 utc | 90 and ensuing comments by others
It always needs to be borne in mind that –
(From wikipedia)
“Putin studied law at the Leningrad State University .. His thesis was on “The Most Favored Nation Trading Principle in International Law”.[38]
..
In 1997, he received his Ph.D. in economics (Candidate of Economic Sciences) at the Saint Petersburg Mining University for a thesis on the strategic planning of the mineral economy.[41]”

Posted by: Ново з | Dec 13 2023 20:10 utc | 109

I think it was Simplicius who pointed out that Russia has created a number of cauldrons all along the line of contact. Most of these are inactive at this time, with the glaring exception of Avdeevka (and the Ukie army created a cauldron for itself in Robotino). I suspect that as the Ukrainian army grows weaker and Russia finds that a particular cauldron is thinly defended it will seize the opportunity and attack there.
Which brings me to the new western strategy of holding the present lines, which is only slightly less delusional than the old one of a counteroffensive to take Crimea. They seriously believe that Ukraine can hold onto Avdeevka? It seems that the US/Ukraine is backing away from their delusions in baby steps. Coming to grips with the reality on the ground is a long way off. I expect that Ukraine will continue to retreat after it is too late, only to fall back to new positions that it can’t build up in time to hold. An ongoing clusterfuck in a clusterfucked nation.
Posted by: Mike R | Dec 13 2023 19:52 utc | 101
Very adept analysis. The longer the Ukes try to hold the line the faster their demise.
+

Posted by: canuck | Dec 13 2023 20:12 utc | 110

marcjef 82: “Well I agree that the USA appears out of options, but then what are the potential choices?” – If they can’t have any more success on the old front, then they’ll just look for a new one that doesn’t have a nasty regional gas station like Russia breaking their legs. For example, you could bomb the Houties into the desert sand and sell it to your dear allies as a huge victory over evil in the world – or you could destroy Iran straight away, but that could also be a nasty regional gas station…

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 13 2023 20:20 utc | 111

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 13 2023 18:19 utc | 76
Well said, Doc. The paucity of imagination shown by the trolls you refer to is humungous. Stick it to them.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 13 2023 20:20 utc | 112

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2023 20:05 utc | 106
Yup, Trumps ideas didn’t work as tariffs only caused inflationary pressures within America because he is a clown in a travelling circus.
He had to subside American farmers for $100’s of billions because of it.
That running trade deficits created the room in the US economy for his tax cuts. He is so stupid he doesn’t realise it.
Thought Russian exports funded Putin’s war.
Neo cons and neoliberalism are Evil and clueless, it is a very dangerous mix.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 13 2023 20:25 utc | 113

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 13 2023 19:59 utc | 104
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The issue facing slaves is that on the eve of achieving freedom, they tend to seek a new master.
From what I have seen, the European people at large have little taste for sovereignty and all that is required to maintain.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 13 2023 20:28 utc | 114

“Biden said Ukraine got $200 million new money, but turns out it was not anything new at all – the $200M was the last tranch of the earlier package that was allocated previously.”
True, but meaningless. The US simply makes up a number for the value of aid it has given to Ukraine. When it wants to show that it has given a lot of aid, it will value the aid highly. If it runs up against, the cap, it will simply revalue the previously-given aid downward so there is still room for more under previous authorizations. The US will continue to send weapons to Ukraine whether or not Congress aprroves more aid (though Congress certainly will approve it at some point).

Posted by: Bob | Dec 13 2023 20:29 utc | 115

karlof1 | Dec 13 2023 20:05 utc | 106
The very active SecComm Raimondo laments not being able to control China.
Remarks by U.S. Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo on the U.S. Competitiveness and the China Challenge

This year marks the 50th anniversary of the opening of relations between China and the United States. For most of this period, the United States was committed to the idea that economic engagement with China would serve our mutual interests: first, as a counterweight to the Soviet Union, and later as a gateway to a deeper political and economic partnership. Engagement also provided U.S. companies with greater access to China’s market and helped open China’s economic system. And some even thought that over time China would take its place alongside the U.S. and other advanced economies to become a pillar of the post-war liberal international order.
But now it is clear that China took a different path—and with that has come profound impacts on our bilateral relationship and on China’s behavior [?] on the global stage.
Over the past decade, China’s leaders have made clear that they do not plan to pursue political and economic reform and are instead pursuing an alternative vision of their country’s future.
They are committed to increasing the role of the state in society and the economy,[like me] constraining the free flow of capital and information, and decoupling economically in a number of areas, including many technology sectors of the future. They have firewalled their data economy from the rest of the world. And they are accelerating their efforts to fuse their economic and technology policies with their military ambitions. .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 13 2023 20:30 utc | 116

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 13 2023 20:05 utc | 107
As a ‘Category 4’ myself, ‘right on, comrade!
Post more.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 13 2023 20:37 utc | 117

The West wants WW3. Let’s have war. The US will bail as they can’t fight.
The West is out of everything. 3 Days and they will sue for Peace.

Posted by: Peace | Dec 13 2023 21:00 utc | 118

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2023 20:05 utc | 106
The U$ planners intend a war with China in 2025.
Thus the need to “stabilise” or “freeze” the war against Russia in Ukraine.
That the war against Russia in Ukraine has not “weakened” or “contained” Russia as intended does not seem to have impacted the plan to “contain” China from 2025…
Down here in the Land of Nod, the anti China rhetoric is working like a charm.
We’re Ukraine 2.0 and will be suitably toxic toward our largest trading partner in time to fulfil our designated role of “lillypad” for U$ strikes on China from U$ bases located in north-west Australia, that are growing rapidly and malignantly, each month.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 13 2023 21:07 utc | 119

You want laughable numbers? You want laughable intelligence assessments? Try these.
https://news.yahoo.com/russia-lost-87-troops-had-174350068.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=0_00
Russia has lost 87% of all the troops it had pre-war. Russia has lost two thirds it’s entire inventory of tanks. Story says this “intelligence” was just sent to US Congress.
They have their echo chamber and we have ours. Think of the average congresscritter. Drunk. Chasing young girls. Or chasing young boys (while keeping up a show of chasing girls). Constantly fundraising and pandering to those who write the checks. They might cut off the funds. It won’t be because they like the information we read here.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 13 2023 21:11 utc | 120

Don Bacon | Dec 13 2023 20:30 utc | 116–
Thanks for that great confessional–China didn’t follow “our vision” for its development and pursued its own. Gee, what a shock! My intent wasn’t to make this into a Chinacentric thread but to show the inability to learn by “sinister” congresscritters.
Melaleuca | Dec 13 2023 21:07 utc | 119–
Thanks for your reply. It’s emphatically clear that US Imperial Planners are incapable of learning from past mistakes. Sad that Aussies are being drawn into this. But then, it’s all good for the economy!

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2023 21:20 utc | 121

Echo Chamber | Dec 13 2023 19:17 utc | 92
It’s actually clear, to those who wish to see, that I used money as a short hand for resources, the word that I employ.
The budget is expressed in monetary terms, as in “a trillion dollars allocated to Defense.” As to the theory of moneym, what does it matter? Do we have to rehearse t every time that we talk of currency?
The reality is that the public can only mobilise its limited resources by choosing whether to direct them to artillery shell production or council housing, training nurses or ncos, establishing cardiac clinics or obstacle courses. You know all this as well as I do. And so does the general population. Does it matter that some people think of money as something other than your definition?
Not much, what matters, as my post suggested, is that there is general agreement in US society ad there is everywhere else that resources are better directed at hospital building than barracks overseas.
The NHS is being demolished on the grounds that it absorbs too much money. That is an excuse for wrecking it because it gives commercial medicine a bad name and reduces opportunities for purloining the labour power (saved or prospective) of sick people.
You would observe that money has nothing to with it, mine that it ought not to.
Do you have web site of your own?

Posted by: bevin | Dec 13 2023 21:22 utc | 122

Over the past decade, China’s leaders have made clear that they do not plan to pursue political and economic reform and are instead pursuing an alternative vision of their country’s future. They are committed to increasing the role of the state in society and the economy,[like me] constraining the free flow of capital and information, and decoupling economically in a number of areas, including many technology sectors of the future. They have firewalled their data economy from the rest of the world. And they are accelerating their efforts to fuse their economic and technology policies with their military ambitions. .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 13 2023 20:30 utc | 116

I wonder if Raimondo actually believes that the US is the model that China should aspire to.

Posted by: Mike R | Dec 13 2023 21:24 utc | 123

General Aguto, Augustus envoy, proconsul of Ukraine!!

Posted by: C Khosta y Alzamendi | Dec 13 2023 21:27 utc | 124

Mike R | Dec 13 2023 21:24 utc | 123–
In 1949 after Mao’s forces won, there was this hue and cry from coast-to-coast: Who Lost China? The implication being that China was ours and somehow we lost it. The reason: American Exceptionalism and its associate Manifest Destiny, both of which are secondary manifestations caused by addiction to Pleonexia and Megalomania, which are the Outlaw US Empire’s twin mental diseases, which also affect its attitude toward Europe, Russia, and the Rest of the World.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2023 21:38 utc | 125

The US needs to send some of our online gamers — they could really score some victories on those KORA simulators! Of course it’d be difficult to get them to leave their parents’ basements😉…

Posted by: Eddie S | Dec 13 2023 21:39 utc | 126

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2023 21:20 utc | 121
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What we see as a mistake, I believe they see as the objective.
We have to remember that values drive actions, and the values of Imperial Planners are much different than most other humans.
We assume that they want peace, happiness, and safety. They may find it much more profitable to foster war, anger, and fear.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 13 2023 21:39 utc | 127

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 13 2023 17:10 utc | 45
That’s funny. That is some big zero day exploit. I almost forgot, I read last month that parent company VEON put Mike Pompeo on Kyivstar’s BoD. Endnote on Zelensk* Poster-child for “privatization”: Mike’s transition was incomplete.

[…]
In October, a Ukrainian court froze the corporate rights valued at over $460 million in Ukraine, belonging to three businessmen—Mikhail Fridman, Pyotr Aven and Andrei Kosogov. All three executives are affiliated with the VEON holding and are under sanctions from Ukraine. These assets included 100% of Kyivstar shares. The court later adjusted its decision, adding that the measure applies to 47.85% of the corporate rights in Kyivstar which allegedly belong to the designated persons. VEON filed a motion with a court, challenging the freezing of the shares.

Last summer, USAID showcased “State in a Smartphone” (Diia) in the Coalition pageant of Ukraine assets for sale amid all the Starlink and EU procedural reform dramas (tax, deed registry, dis/mis/malinfo, asylum status, UAF dodger, I/E, and utilities’ CapEx, briefly sponsored by property manager Umerov). In retrospect, it’s easy to see why VEON welcomed CIA vet Pompeo’s PIPE into the boardroom.
However, Interfax recently revealed, 30 Nov, unexpected resistance to the LBO:

This talk of nationalization would be a step back, because Ukraine will need a huge amount of private sector investment, foreign direct investment, as well as support from Europe and the private sector of the United States to overcome the consequences of the crisis,” Ukrainian media quoted Pompeo as saying in an interview with the NV media outlet.
Kyivstar has served the Ukrainian people “incredibly well” and has been “incredibly generous,” he said. “If property rights, including of shareholders in the U.S., are not protected, and companies that benefit the Ukrainian people are not preserved, this will be a strategic mistake for Ukraine and will make rebuilding Ukraine and supporting the country in the years to come much more difficult and expensive, and capital flows much more limited,” he said.
[…]
“I think American investors are fully prepared for this, but they should do so with confidence that they can invest in Ukraine in a way that is beneficial to their companies, that their staff will be treated well, that the capital they invest in Ukraine will be protected from confiscation or nationalization,” Pompeo said.

But who’s to say Kyivstar’s uhh three amigos didn’t commission Killnet?

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 13 2023 21:43 utc | 128

Karl. Thanks for the Arestovych piece at your substack.
Some see Arestovych as a successor to the Coked Cooked Comedian. Nope.
Open Question. How does the placement of a U$ 3-star in the bowels of Keeeeve impact the Zelensky v Zalhuzny conflict?
The U$ stepping out from behind the partition to take direct on site control of the Ukrainian military means Zalhuzny is no longer in control of AFU…
Will Zelensky be able to squabble with the U$ general the way he was able to over-rule Zalhuzny?
And when it comes to rats fleeing floundering Ukrainian, I sometimes wonder how ole Oleksii Reznikov is faring in London. Or is he using his ill gotten euros to enjoy wintering somewhere more sunny?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 13 2023 21:54 utc | 129

@ karlof1 | Dec 13 2023 21:38 utc | 125
The USA, setter of the rules-based world order, is not only the strongest but also the best, with a wonderful democracy featuring elected people. So being the best other countries ought to adopt the US system. Now some states are hopeless, Russia and Iran and North Korea. But China having its hundred years of humiliation was in a category where they needed a “democratic” i.e. voting populace to be just like USA! USA! . . .And they didn’t take a bite. Shame on them.
The US Congress (and others) doesn’t even recognize China as a country; it’s the Chinese Communist Party, they’re so bitter about China’s bad policies with which — how did this happen? — they became richer (than before, unlike the US trend) and stronger than the US militarily.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 13 2023 21:57 utc | 130

Looks like Euro commission unlocked 10 billion euros for Hungary in exchange for support for the Ukraine’s budget aid. Wouldn’t blame them though, they held out pretty long, and it shows that Eurocrats are pretty desperate and easily cucked.
So Ukraine will get more money and the show stays on the road for a while longer, until the US election, they hope.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 13 2023 22:10 utc | 131

AI will be used to reinforce GROUPTHINK and their narratives.
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 13 2023 18:52 utc | 83
A reflection of the stupidity and lies it’s fed with.
AI is going to be the greatest nightmare and disappoint rolled into one humanity is going to encounter.

Posted by: jpc | Dec 13 2023 22:14 utc | 132

Posted by: snake | Dec 13 2023 18:32 utc | 80 et. al re: “Defense” budget
I’m sure this isn’t lost on you guys, but most people don’t fully comprehend just how intertwined the DOD and its contracting community are with the US GDP/GNP. There’s a “good” reason that nearly every major ZIP code and Congressional district has either a military installation, “defense” contractor company, or both in them.
This accomplishes a couple of things. 1) Makes local/regional and state economies (meaning jobs) reliant on the MIC and 2) Makes every congresscritter in some way accountable to the MIC through the jobs and the “clout.” Similar dynamics at play in places like Germany and Japan, where while there are numerous citizens who want the US out, there are others whose income is reliant on its presence. Convenient leverage, for sure.

The economy needs weapons manufacturing
Contract-based military production now accounts for about 10% of all American manufacturing output. Weapons manufacturing is now responsible for so many of the sector’s remaining jobs, that the U.S. almost has to keep producing weapons whether it needs them or not.

https://stacker.com/military/50-insights-us-military-industrial-complex
And weapons and defense systems manufacturing is certainly huge, that leaves out the companies and local jobs in the messing (catering), operations and maintenance (janitors, HVAC repair, etc.), and just regular small businesses that crop up on and nearby arterial roads in towns and cities with a military base. I can think of two cities in Texas whose economies would contract severely if the military picked up and left, and this was a huge part of the debate – wailing, moaning and all – surrounding the BRAC program(s) of the 90s.
https://www.everycrsreport.com/files/19970226_96562_0c61559a022d9b14edfba648857f3a1872c15872.pdf

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 13 2023 22:17 utc | 133

LoveDonbass | Dec 13 2023 21:39 utc | 127–
Thanks for your reply. No, I’m well aware of the Imperial Planner mindset, and Asterovich gave us a good look at its inner workings many have known for awhile. That mindset stems from its English roots with help provided by the Spanish Popes 15th Century Papal Bulls that made Christians rulers of the planet and all others less than human. The few objective historians have exposed most of it all, although more remains to be uncovered and made known.
Don Bacon | Dec 13 2023 21:57 utc | 130–
Thanks for replying. Yeah, all true and then some. The main question: When the fall arrives, will it be with a whimper or a bang?

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2023 22:25 utc | 134

Now the U.S. is sending one of its generals to take command of the Ukrainian army and will launch more war games. To what outcome will their parameters be skewed.

for me this is the primary information!
This make Kiev, the General Staff, safe again, better than the Patriots.
Putin was too euphoric in announcing the 71 500 dead ukraine soldiers, from these 71 500, a maximum of 1 500 hated Russia. (I’m not saying that the 70 000 are friends)

Posted by: theo | Dec 13 2023 22:26 utc | 135

Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 13 2023 22:17 utc | 133–
Yes, the MIC support structure was carefully organized as you describe but so was the Soviet system and look what happened to it when it became unsupported. A similar implosion awaits the Outlaw US Empire as the Neoliberals continue to take over an ever-larger proportion of the budget.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2023 22:30 utc | 136

Tom Q Collins @ 133:
My understanding also is that with the demise of manufacturing generally throughout most parts of the US (that is, those parts known as the “flyover” states by East Coast and West Coast hipster pseudo-intellectuals) after companies offshored factory operations to China and other countries with low-cost labour, Congress representatives became desperate for funding to keep their electorates’ economies going, to stop further job losses and voters leaving, which might result in political boundaries being redrawn and Congress reps losing their seats. This is where arms manufacturers stepped in, to fill the void.
This is of course means that much of the billions the US Department of Defense receives from Congress are channelled into creating jobs and sustaining factories and economies in communities across the US. This does however mean that very long (and maybe very expensive) supply networks are set up, especially if different parts for the same tank, the same fighter jet or the same battleship must come from different states, or the parts made in one state depend on parts made in another state as necessary inputs, and so on and so forth – and along each stage of the network, private suppliers and companies transporting and delivering the parts want their commission.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 13 2023 22:32 utc | 137

Posted by: bevin | Dec 13 2023 21:22 utc | 122
You said within 5 years bevin. It takes longer than 5 years to train nurses and doctors. So you were thinking like Thatcher. See how easy it is to do, fall into her trap when You think by numbers instead of skills and real resources?
You should know me by now, I don’t have a definition of money. My view is neither ideologically or politically driven.My version of money is what ” actually happens” not a definition. You know by now Bevin, what “actually happens” in the real world.
Here:
https://www.elgaronline.com/edcollchap/book/9781802208092/book-part-9781802208092-9.xml
If you think money is something else because some Marxist professor has led you astray then debunk it. Prove it is wrong. It is all there in great detail above. Get to work. Point out the lies in the link. That’s why we are here to learn.
So no, it Does not matter one jot, that some people think of money as something else. They will be wrong, but that is up to them. They can keep fooling themselves and not believe their own eyes. Stay entrapped by GROUPTHINK. There’s absolutely nothing I can do about that. Apart from say they are wrong.
What I have found over 20 years of study, is when you get an emotive response regarding money. That’s because the actual facts have just shattered some long held belief system. That the person suddenly realised was wrong. A belief they had been carrying all of their lives. If you study that link above will it happen to you ? Or will you prove me wrong ?
Or was that just an emotive response you have just given me? We have already crossed that bridge ?
🙂

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 13 2023 22:37 utc | 138

Defensive works such as minefields, tank ditches, trenches are relatively inexpensive. Ukraine should have been doing this a year ago. It is there best bet to conserve forces. Russia should press their advantage to prevent this otherwise they will be staring into the face of a massive N. Korean style DMZ.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Dec 13 2023 22:52 utc | 139

I was not intending to watch the whole 30mins… but it became like a car accident where you just can’t look away….
Basically Hodges tells us the U$ will be destroying the Kerch Bridge in 2024.
Plus. The U$ will facilitate attacks within Russia.
Just like Biden told us he’d blow up NS2. Hodges tells us the Kerch Bridge is going to be destroyed. Not the inconvenience of vandalism like before. But destroyed. Because they are coming for Crimea.
The Kerch Bridge must be destroyed in 2024 | Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYZBcNuChRM
Crimea is still the prize. And Hodges believes Ukraine can still take it back.

“I think that bridge, at some point in 2024 will be gone… and if you can disrupt the other side’s logistics, prevent the flow of ammunition and fuel… then you’re going to win.”
The destruction of the Kerch Bridge is crucial to the liberation of Crimea and success of Ukraine in winning the war, explains Lieutenant General Ben Hodges.

Hodges reveals “Ukraine’s” winter strategy
§| Ukraine is probably going to do the following number one they’re going to keep pressure on Russian Logistics they’re going to keep pressure on Crimea I think we’re going to see continued sabotage efforts inside Russia as well as occupied Russian occupied parts of Ukraine
§|~ Ukraine has enough people men and women military age to fight this war
but they do not have a good system um for maximizing their available Manpower there are too many Ukrainian men and
women military age fit and able that are walking the streets in Ukraine and frankly there are thousands of Ukrainian
military aged males in Germany Poland and Romania right now they need they need to fix the system and get those people back home where they can serve just on the cyber warfare point of view …
Reporter: General if if you could have a word in the ear of General Zer Ukraine’s military commander-in-chief and away from the politics of it just focusing on the military side of things for the next few months what would you be advising him to focus on
Hodges: I would tell him that we are learning from him I sick and tired of people in the Pentagon 5,000 miles away criticizing what he’s doing he knows better than any American or Brit um what what is needed he knows the
Russians, he knows the terrain, he knows the people, he knows how to fight them, and I really think it’s embarrassing actually when when you’ve got Americans or British officers saying well you know they didn’t do it the way we taught them how to do it that’s we would never send an American or British soldier into combat … that’s bullshit.
we would never send an American or British soldier into combat without having achieved total air superiority, provided them with endless amounts of breaching equipment and ammunition fire support we’d never do that and yet to criticize ukrainians … “well you know they should have focused
on just one place” … this is not the desert where you can make choices of one two three or four axes … they’re defending their country and they have to of course think about how do they protect their people ……

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 13 2023 22:56 utc | 140

“You said within 5 years bevin. It takes longer than 5 years to train nurses and doctors. So you were thinking like Thatcher.
Echo Chamber @ 138
This is what thre post actually said:
“My guess is that properly used the resources could raise the average life span by about five years, within a decade…”
You have posted twice on this matter. The first time you alleged that I had used the word money when I had actually, as I showed, referred to ‘resources.’
The second time-above- you tell me that I spoke of a result within five years, when I actually spoke of a decade. The five years was an example of the dramatic improvements that minor reforms could achieve.
Don’t apologise. But before you start patronising people make sure that you read what they write. You would appear to be a victim of premature ejaculation syndrome- you have my sympathy.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 13 2023 23:01 utc | 141

The west can still finance a guerilla war in Ukraine. And there are still many Poles eager to fight and not afraid to die.
Posted by: zorge | Dec 13 2023 17:14 utc | 49
A guerilla war needs population support. Likely Russia will absorb the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine, making them part of Russia, making it extremely difficult for a foreign entity to finance an insurgency there. Russia deals with internal insurgencies very very harshly (See: Chechnya, Dagestan, etc.).

Posted by: James M. | Dec 13 2023 23:01 utc | 142

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 13 2023 22:32 utc | 137
Yes. The factory in Town A makes parts critical to the assembly of helicopter in Town B and so on. Shutting any one node down or otherwise disrupting the mfg. and supply chain causes ripples that negatively affect the others. Hence politics cross state lines, although the ultimate customer is federal.
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2023 22:30 utc | 136
That’s an interesting comparison. I don’t fully agree with it, but I see your point. IMO the difference with the USSR was that the state controlled all manufacturing and if a certain weapon system was stopped, they were more likely and able to shift production to non-military goods. That’s just a guess, though as I am not a student of the USSR’s history.
This actually reminds me of the speech you posted snippets of yesterday from Maria Zakharova and the commentary discussed at Simplicius’s blog today, which others have referenced I think including b.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/zelensky-circus-comes-to-town-for
In which Arestovich is quoted thusly (excerpt):

The problem is not that they can’t give us money.
The problem is that they can’t give us shells.
Forty billion was thrown into a widely publicized microchip plant in Phoenix (Arizona), like a transfer from Taiwan.
The plant is standing still, there are no workers.
They tried to recruit Taiwanese, but it didn’t work either.
The Americans cannot launch the military-industrial complex, under the existing system, neither with Moroccans, nor with Mexicans, nor with dances, nor with tambourines.
The fundamental motivation of the market is financial speculation.
Arms companies show growth in capitalization, but never show growth in production (because there is practically none).
If production grows, it does so extremely slowly, so as not to break capitalization schemes.
Their task is to increase the value of shares, and not to create new equipment.
Tens of billions are being invested, but there is no growth in production.
And it won’t, for this it is necessary to change the entire paradigm, all the schemes that ensure his well-being.
I looked at the annual and quarterly reports of Ratheon, Lockheed, Boeing – the same thing everywhere.

In so stating, he’s 100% correct. As you know very well, and as Michael Hudson and yourself point out, after you strip away the bullshit and marketing, the US and Western economies are almost completely speculative in nature. The investor class has taken over and converted Western capitalism into a passive, destructive, usurious set of laws, practices and understanding that says debt and carried interest are important parts of the GDP.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 13 2023 23:03 utc | 143

Regarding the four categories:
There was a TG post in mid October, probably Slavyangrad, with a diagram presented as popular in China depicting four axis (clockwise Palestine, Russia, Israel, and Ukraine) and, bisecting them: “fully understands the core of international geopolitics”, “social darwinism”, “dogs of the US empire”, and “Anti-War-ism”.

Posted by: knkl | Dec 13 2023 23:05 utc | 144

Assuming a nursing program or a college or university capable of standing up a nursing program is already present in a given place, I see no reason that it couldn’t turn out a crop of fully educated and trained nurses every 5 years. Saying nothing about the usurious student debt each of them would be required to take on, of course.
Physicians take about 8 years (with a few years of residency added on) and even greater debt, but with a much higher income ceiling to pay it down. Not by any coincidence, of course.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 13 2023 23:06 utc | 145

“The Pentagon has also decided to dispatch Lt. Gen. Antonio A. Aguto Jr”
Why? Send a true-believer instead.
Send Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges (ret) instead.
Ol Benny-boy has been saying for two years now that Ukraine’s victory over Russia is inevitable if only they follow his advice.
So I say tell Toni to stay at home, send Benny instead and tell him to put his money where his mouth is.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Dec 13 2023 23:07 utc | 146

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Dec 13 2023 22:52 utc | 139

Defensive works such as minefields, tank ditches, trenches are relatively inexpensive.

forgot it.
We are now in a new war.
After the next Russian attacks, we will read, listen reports about death 1Star, …, 4Star US General or one of their higher staff. What do you think will be the reactions in the USA and in the NATO countrys?
The ride increases the speed (extreme)

Posted by: theo | Dec 13 2023 23:07 utc | 147

In the Summer of 1943, after German attack on Kursk had failed, the Soviets went into an offensive mode that did not stop until its troops captured Berlin. The German army retreated to defense lines, then retreated again and again – all the way back to Berlin. It took nearly two years, but the outcome was obvious as soon as the attack on Kursk had failed.
I expect something similar to happen in Ukraine. [b]
Looks to be happening that way.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 13 2023 23:14 utc | 148

So I say tell Toni to stay at home, send Benny instead and tell him to put his money where his mouth is.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Dec 13 2023 23:07 utc | 146
And b, who writes:

“A three star general does not come alone. He has a full group of staff, dozens, which will now become military advisors on the ground in Ukraine. They will also become priority targets.
And what do those advisors know about an industrial warfare that Ukraine soldiers do not know. Well, nothing.”

Once again I’ll point to Simplicius’ blog. The general and his staff are not in Ukraine to direct anything. They are being sent there to learn, while there is still time before the UAF’s imminent collapse, about Russian tactics, strategy and capabilities. This is a learning, not a coaching or command exercise.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 13 2023 23:16 utc | 149

Finally Russia is showing some courage.
https://www.agenzianova.com/en/news/Russia-warns-that-F-16s-taking-off-from-Poland-and-Romania-equates-to-their-participation-in-the-conflict-in-Ukraine/
Russia will consider the possible dispatch of F-16 fighter jets from air bases in Poland, Romania and Slovakia as the involvement of these countries in the conflict in Ukraine. This was stated by the head of the Russian delegation during the negotiations in Vienna on military security and arms control, Konstantin Gavrilov, speaking at the plenary session of the OSCE forum on cooperation in the security sector. “We strongly warn that the use of these fighters from the territory of these NATO member countries will be considered by Moscow as their participation in the conflict in Ukraine and will force Russia to respond,” Gavrilov said.

Posted by: zorge | Dec 13 2023 23:21 utc | 150

Peace | Dec 13 2023 16:51 utc | 42
*** At least he has 3 mansions and 2 yachts for his soon to be widow.***
Remember Winnie when Mandela was, very inconveniently for her, released … but Mandela was sensible and replaced Winnie. So he survived.
Zelenky is not sensible. Will widow Zelensky become the new Jackie Onassis?

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 13 2023 23:27 utc | 151

Echo Chamber @ 138, Bevin @ 141, Tom Q Collins @ 145:
If we were all to agree that the model of medical training to be used to educate physicians is the one used in Cuba to train people to work among poor communities (and I understand some people in the US have studied medicine in this system), then the period is six years, not eight or more. An additional year may be needed for students to learn Spanish.
Medical training in Cuba

… The program is modeled after the European medical schools. This means it would take a student six years to become a medical doctor in Cuba as opposed to 4 years of training in the US and Canada. In terms of knowledge, this means two extra years of clinical rotations under the supervision of medical professors. The medical school focuses on a wholesome approach: it addresses the biological, psychological, and social aspects of health and disease. Most of the time, a student is at the patient’s bedside and makes house-calls during the training. This way, the students get a unique perspective to healthcare – they learn to recognize and handle all challenges a doctor faces in everyday medical practice from top to bottom of the healthcare system.
The first-year studies involve basic methodology and integrated medicine courses. The second year of medical school is composed of anatomy, pathology, physiology, microbiology, genetics, in addition to psychological and social studies. During this time, a student learns about basic principles of human biology and psychology, fundamentals of healthcare system organization, and disease prevention — all that through the scope of data-driven and evidence-based approach.
In later years of training, students attend clinical rotations and start practicing medicine under the supervision of their professors.
During these six years, no student is left unattended. Professors are available 24/7, group sessions are a commonplace, and students are stimulated to collaborate on various projects during the training. This way, students learn to develop strong professional relationships, a high sense of belonging, and lifelong friendships with their colleagues and professors. In short, Cuban medical school promotes the universal approach where all benefit.
Students who want to pursue a medical career in the US, just like their peers in the US medical schools will have to pass the United States Medical Licensing Exam® (USMLE). In this regard, the Cuban medical graduates perform outstandingly. The US residents who studied medicine in Cuba achieve a match rate of 94%. In other words, sky is the limit for them. Furthermore, the Cuban medical educational institutions are approved by the “California State Medical Licensing Board,” the most stringent in the United States.
Cuban medical school delivers knowledge, and it seems they know how to make students acquire the knowledge. In terms of cost-effectiveness, it is not for free, but the entire medical training comes at a price that’s one-fifteenth of the price in the US. While the cost of the medical program in the US, which includes tuition, fees, books, and interest on loans, reaches up to $1,000,000.00, in Cuba, it is just $73,000. Let’s put it this way- medical training in the US requires about 8-10 annual specialist salaries. In Cuba, it costs 6-8 specialist monthly wages …

The Cuban system could be adapted to students’ needs, so that (for example) half the academic year could be spent in study and the other half in actual clinical practice in a hospital or community clinic under supervision.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 13 2023 23:29 utc | 152

“In 1949 after Mao’s forces won, there was this hue and cry from coast-to-coast: Who Lost China? The implication being that China was ours and somehow we lost it. The reason: American Exceptionalism and its associate Manifest Destiny, both of which are secondary manifestations caused by addiction to Pleonexia and Megalomania, which are the Outlaw US Empire’s twin mental diseases, which also affect its attitude toward Europe, Russia, and the Rest of the World.
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2023 21:38 utc | 125
You’re in fine form today!

Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 13 2023 23:34 utc | 153

LT GEN. Aguto. Let me guess… affirmative action ring knocker fast tracked up the ranks “cuz systemic racism”. A 3 starred fucktard who can’t find his ass with both hands.

Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Dec 13 2023 23:36 utc | 154

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 13 2023 23:29 utc | 152
Thanks for the info on the Cuban system. When I said 8 years, I was counting the typical – sometimes, but not most of the time – unrelated 4-year bachelor’s degree, within the US system.
From Indeed (a career website):

Doctors must complete a four-year undergraduate program, along with four years in medical school and three to seven years in a residency program to learn the specialty they chose to pursue. In other words, it takes between 10 to 14 years to become a fully licensed doctor.

Key words being “fully licensed.” I think residency programs vary according to speciality/complexity (i.e., a neurosurgeon or heart surgeon probably on the high side and a general practitioner on the low side).
Nurses, of course, can be ready much quicker.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 13 2023 23:40 utc | 155

The winning strategy is located under the same couch where Clown President G Dubya Bush mockingly searched for WMD’s. “Nope, No WMD,s undr here, he grinned.”
There were no WMD’s and there is no winning strategy. At least not in the typical understanding of winning.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Dec 13 2023 23:58 utc | 156

Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 13 2023 23:03 utc | 143–
Thanks for your reply. The USSR/USE comparison has to do with how the USSR’s political-economy was organized as it had supply chains located in SSRs that subsequently became independent which caused disruption then dysfunction of those chains so that they needed to be rebuilt within Russia. Within the USE, those doing the planning aren’t industrialists or engineers, they’re finance pukes who’ve damaged the integrity of the overall supply chain matrix within the USE by refusing expansion or modification/modernization/safety upgrades, etc. Headline story at Sputnik, “US Unable to Fight ‘One-Front War’ After Ukraine Supplies Depletes Weapon Stocks”, with the money quote coming from a former insider:
“’So in reality, the United States really cannot finance a two front war. They wouldn’t be able to fight a one front war right now, given how depleted our resources and reserves are. And it’s just the reality of things. And Biden and his crew just do not want to wake up and smell the coffee, as it were, and recognize reality,’ Maloof said.”
This week marks the two-year anniversary of Russia’s Security Proposals that were ignored. In February 2022 when it was clear the “military technical operation” the proposals promised would occur was about to commence, I made two predictions: NATO had no weapons–even nukes–capable of defeating Russia and the West was no match for Russian industrial capacity even with the application of more sanctions and overwhelmed the West when combined with China. The USE has no hope of matching Russia’s industrial output given who the planners are and their priorities. And there’s zero political will to even try. And that lack of will provides the biggest clue as to the reality of the situation as there’s no way it can be claimed that Russia, China or any other nation or combination of nations pose an existential threat to the USE as the defense planning documents claim every year–if an existential threat genuinely existed, the political will to revamp the MIC would be massive but it doesn’t even exist.
And that tells you a lot about the utter hollowness of the USE’s geopolitical planning and vision. It’s all as Asterovitch stated–it’s all about generating, laundering and harvesting cash, which of course is Neoliberalism to a tee.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 14 2023 0:03 utc | 157

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 13 2023 16:51 utc | 41
Beat me to it! GIGO has been an integral feature of predictive programmes since their inception. I’d be interested to see if the Ukrainians were willingly complicit in the, ‘beneath the hood’ tampering, or ignorant of the fact that the conclusions were gamed in their favour, which I doubt.
I still think this latest scapegoat is being offered up to try to shield the real reason, a carefully orchestrated set of morale hammers, culminating in Priggy’s salvation drive to Moscow. Did the Russians flip the script and pay back the Ukrainians with the same moves they had used at the start of the SMO? Did the Ukrainians fall victim to a counter-intelligence operation that suggested Russian losses were higher and morale lower, than in reality? It’s one thing to read amateur extrapolations, by amateurs, of open-source material about casualty figures and quite another to have professional presentations of closed-source intel, suggesting something else. Was the real culprit of the failure a Russian appeal to confirmation bias, via a double agent, or more sinisterly a Western intel operation designed to suggest a Kremlin source that never existed.
As with anything to do with intel, it’s wheels within wheels, creating an arena of speculation and theories laced with much doubt.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 14 2023 0:06 utc | 158

@ Refinnejenna | Dec 13 2023 22:32 utc | 137
The F-35 program placed a high priority on sub-contracts in as many US political districts as possible to ensure congressional support, so the bought-and-paid for congress-critters have tried to even out-do the Pentagon in producing quantities of mistake jets. It’s a jobs program, nothing more.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 14 2023 0:06 utc | 159

@Adriatic Hillbilly | Dec 13 2023 23:36 utc | 154
Yes, Aguto next to dummy Austin is a pretty picture. . . ./s

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 14 2023 0:08 utc | 160

Don Firineach | Dec 13 2023 23:34 utc | 153–
Thanks Don! It began last night with the Asterovitch revelations then carried on today with Lavrov’s testimony at the Federation Council which I was waiting for. Putin took today off to bone and rest up for his Marathon Presser tomorrow that’s being called “Year’s results with Vladimir Putin” and will likely last for at least 2.5 hours. It will be his first since the SMO began, so I expect many questions will focus on that, although many will also deal with domestic issues. I expect his opening remarks will center on his declaring 2024 as Russia’s Year of the Family and related policy proposals.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 14 2023 0:16 utc | 161

It’s all becoming a deadly comical farce. The us hole front is beginning to crack. It’s not going to collapse tomorrow but it is cracking. There aren’t already prepared defensive lines for the AFU to retreat to nor any indication that lines will be prepared in short order. In some cases without prepared lines the AFU will need to fall back 10+ kilometers to get to a large enough town to use as a defensive position. Russian reports are now reading like advances of a kilometer or more in multiple places most days. And these advances don’t seem so much taking advantage as tactical goals to shape an operational situation.
I still don’t think that it marks a grand offensive, but the pressure is going to be turned way up. The idea being to push the AFU hard enough to kick off what could easily become a cascading failure along the front. Brusilov more than deep operations.

Posted by: Lex | Dec 14 2023 0:17 utc | 162

Posted by: jared | Dec 13 2023 18:01 utc | 71
Probably the Mecha-MAGA supporters of Trumpzilla, who have been deluging their representatives to stop tacitly supporting Biden’s ruinous policies, or they will be out next re-election year. Ukraine is, remember, at the heart of the first failed impeachment and the centre of corrupt uni-party financial deals, so a prime target for the ‘deplorables’, in their growing insurgency/revolution. The theory being, one Jenga block can bring the whole tottering tower of lies down and with it the Democrats, Rinos, corrupt corporations, cultural saboteurs, media mavens and any other hated institutions or their favourite outsourcers.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 14 2023 0:29 utc | 163

And that tells you a lot about the utter hollowness of the USE’s geopolitical planning and vision. It’s all as Asterovitch stated–it’s all about generating, laundering and harvesting cash, which of course is Neoliberalism to a tee.
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 14 2023 0:03 utc | 157
Thanks, very informative reply. I see what you meant about the USSR now from the perspective of supply chains. And you raise another excellent point that I’d never considered. Namely, the drastic and pretty much unprecedented sanctions placed on Russia in the beginnings of the SMO. They were actually multi-fold in aim: To cause great pain to Russian business and civil society in hopes they would depose Putin, and To hamper Russia’s ability to manufacture sufficient weapons and materiel to prosecute the war. Clearly it failed laughably on both fronts.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 0:33 utc | 164

…if an existential threat genuinely existed, the political will to revamp the MIC would be massive but it doesn’t even exist.
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 14 2023 0:03 utc | 157
Sorry I initially copy/pasted the wrong part of your comment in my reply. That is something else I never really considered, and you’re correct. I think it’s complex in that some among the MIC clearly do believe in an existential threat, hence they are very devout and earnest in their rhetoric; even doctrine and procurement of weapons systems (that are not going to work in a land war such as in Ukraine).
But then there are the trans-national or nation-less financialist vultures we speak of; they’re in it for the monthly, sometimes quarterly “profits” off their speculative ventures – including the MIC – and at the end of the day have very little loyalty to any nation or government, much less the population (i.e., us plebes). So short of a nuclear confrontation, not much really scares them and they’re more than happy to continue their monopolistic and investment/extraction activities in the war racket.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 0:39 utc | 165

The problem with America is the Military is subordinate to unelected officials who think their pay scale entitles them to make all the decisions and find like-minded soldiers to implement them.
Just look at the “failure” on October 7 in occupied Palestine 🇵🇸.
I vividly remember Biden throwing the “out of your pay scale” line at Scott Ritter at a Congressional hearing about WMDs in Iraq.
While the senseless loss of human potential on both side is deeply distressing, the silver lining is the hope that the evil that is the corporate and usury culture that contaminates the West is being destroyed.

Posted by: Suresh | Dec 14 2023 0:41 utc | 166

I vaguely recall in the Pentagon years ago a woman high up tried to get support to cut back on high-profit production lines, and shift financial support to a stronger emphasis on R&D. . .She was fired.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 14 2023 0:50 utc | 167

The Atlantic, by way of MSN with an entirely too long and convoluted attempt to muddy the waters on Nordstream. Pun intended.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-mystery-that-no-one-wants-solved/ar-AA1lrQad
No one wants solved? I’m pretty sure the Russians have demanded it and many German businesses and people want it solved.
Also nice how they try to minimize the environmental impact of the release of gas.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 0:53 utc | 168

Posted by: Mike R | Dec 13 2023 19:52 utc | 101
Which brings me to the new western strategy of holding the present lines, which is only slightly less delusional than the old one of a counteroffensive to take Crimea. They seriously believe that Ukraine can hold onto Avdeevka
They will do everything they can to hold onto Avdeevka, if it falls Russia will be west of Ukraine’s Donbas lines. Look directly north of Avdeevka, it would be a massive issue and cause problems if the Russians rolled in behind New York and pushed north on the west side of the Kramatorsk line.

Posted by: OohCanada | Dec 14 2023 0:53 utc | 169

For our resident NAFO trolls, including Inkan1969:
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/12/11/ukrainian-maidan-massacre-false-flag/
More proof that the Maidan snipers were rightwing Ukrainians, and that the whole coup was orchestrated with US help.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 0:55 utc | 170

Norwegian @ 1952/ Paul @ 1941
What has happened to Norge? Is the spirit of Vidkun Quisling, or perhaps that of that bastard whom the Birkebeier took down at Stkkelstad, still alive?
Ikke so bra. -Vestlander I Nordskogen/ Minnesota.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 14 2023 1:00 utc | 171

Re: Posted by: Peace | Dec 13 2023 16:51 utc | 42

The lines are collapsing Z might not.get back to Ukraine before his Army capitulates.

Utter lies – why do you peddle this nonsense?!?

Posted by: Julian | Dec 14 2023 1:06 utc | 172

Karlof1:
…”Putin took today off to bone and rest up for his Marathon Presser tomorrow that’s being called “Year’s results with Vladimir Putin” and will likely last for at least 2.5 hours.…”
Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges……
”Vladimir Putin unlike Western politicians, does not have to answer questions from a journalist; he doesn’t have to face criticism from the Duma – his Parliament – the Russian people – the election everybody knows is a farce … “
Hodges is living in one of those television episodes, where everything is flipped.
The hero, is the villain and vice versa ….
He’s calling out Putin, but his words best describe Biden-
…the election everyone knows was (is) a farce… the president who answers (with large text teleprompter) one or two fully-scripted questions from pet presstitutes…
In 2024, with Tucker, Alex Jones and Musk all gone rogue; with a presidential candidate being lawfared out of the race… the jengo scenario is realistic.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 14 2023 1:06 utc | 173

Thanks b. Now here is the view of “Legitimity” on Telegram. It is very cynical of the two US political parties to play such a game as if the people of Ukraibe can be used as pieces on a checkerboard.

#раскладка
Zelensky’s entire trip to the United States is purely formal. He was invited to warm up the Ukrainian case so that the Democrats would have more trump cards to blame the Reps for the future defeat of Kyiv.
Ze was just a “doll” who was taken around everywhere and promoted, but the effect so far was “zero”, as we immediately insided.
In fact, Biden this time used Ze in an internal American game before the elections.
Biden has said he is willing to compromise on border issues with Republicans. “We need real solutions,” Joe said (but according to our data, there will be no compromises).
It is beneficial for the democrats themselves to drain the Ukrainian crisis now and then blame the republics for strengthening the Russian Federation, which will be a trump card for them before the elections. If you give Kyiv money now, you will become completely dependent on the Ukrainian crisis. Everyone understands that there will not be a good result, the front will actually remain in the same positions. This will be a death sentence for the Democrats.
We are watching… perhaps the Republic will realize the beauty of the game and themselves will drive Joe and the Democrats into the Ukrainian crisis, giving money for the last time.
For Ze there are still chances for a new loan, but this will drive Ze and Ukraine into a very “bad game”. Although there will be a mega victory right away, as often happens, it will ultimately become a mega disaster.

Posted by: Richa4d L | Dec 14 2023 1:07 utc | 174

Oliver Krug @1959
In order for the people of Europe to get hold of their senses and restore nationalist leadership to Europe, there will need to be at least one popular revolution. My candidate is the Orthodox population of Bulgaria. Should they achieve removal of their Globalist regime in Sofia; there would then develop an arc of resistance in the Balkan area.
Upshot would be immediate recognition by Belgrade and then followed by Budapest. Northern Macedonia and Montenegro might then toss out their Quislings and rejoin Serbia. Following that, a removal of the goat-fuckers from power in Kosovo and an immediate demand by all those countries that the Uncle $hmuel get his fingers the hell outta Camp Bondsteel.
Next domino to fall would be the regime in Bucharest, as they would be enveloped between the new alliance of the Balkan nations and a recent Russian retrieval of Odessa and westwards to the left bank of the Danube. NATO and the EU monstrosity would rapidly collapse, as the militaries of Occupied Germany and Rothschild-run France would not be ilk position to impose their will…and might soon themselves be faced with new governments.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 14 2023 1:10 utc | 175

Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 0:55 utc | 170
The Maiden snipers were Georgian. They came forward, a few years later, bitching they had been cheated on their payment.
Maybe the yt vid can still be found.
I suspect though, the diddled Georgians might have been thoroughly erased

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 14 2023 1:11 utc | 176

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 14 2023 1:11 utc | 176
Ah yes. I should have been more clear. And IIRC the same lot (or among the same crowd) as the trade union building massacre, no?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 1:13 utc | 177

Southfront’s report a few days ago indicated AFU has withdrawn the majority of its forces from the south (Rabotyne, Urozhaine, etc.) and put them to defend Avdeevka-Bakhmut-Lyman regions.
This could be a huge opportunity. A decent thrust toward and past Orekhov-Zaporozhye could result in the entire Donbass front, more or less collapsing and be forced to withdraw north-west toward Slavyansk or Kharkov. But perhaps everyone is committed to the east, now.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 14 2023 1:19 utc | 178

aaaaand… here we go!
It’s hot, everyone [?] is christmas shopping and attending end of year school presentations.
No one is paying any attention to the politicians.
Which is exactly the best time for this:
The US reportedly asks Australia to send warships to the Middle East
(numerous yt from corp media)
The Aussie pollies know to wait until Boxing Day, when everyone is hung over and channel surfing between the Sydney to Hobart yacht race and the cricket, to announce that, of course, we’ll help out our Greatest Ally.
The U$ is Getting the Band Back Together. Not a Coalition of the Willing, but this time, a Maritime Taskforce …
I wish the lotto numbers were as easy to predict as the old warpath game plan.
TQC.
Odessa town hall human bbq was mostly Azov / Right Sektor thugs, but probably included a few outsiders too.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 14 2023 1:31 utc | 179

Anti-Israel/Pro-Palestine and Pro-Russian = MoA Marxist conspiracy theorists (like me) who refuse to accept that the USA and Israel are the only hope for democracy and human flourishing.
Feel free to finesse.
Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 13 2023 20:05 utc | 107
You don’t have to be Marxist or a conspiracy theorist to think that the US and Israel are not the “only hope for democracy.” But otherwise, not bad.

Posted by: James M. | Dec 14 2023 1:37 utc | 180

Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 0:39 utc | 164-5–
Thanks for your replies. I’ve written before that the Neoliberal Parasites are a threat to national security from within in a multitude of ways, not just from the military standpoint since security is far more than just being able to defend against external aggression. A political platform could be built on the issue in a completely different manner than that of the Neocons who IMO are false patriots.
Melaleuca | Dec 14 2023 1:06 utc | 173–
Thanks for your reply. Hodges is the fucking stupidest wannabe general I’ve come across. He seriously needs a GI Party, which isn’t at all fun.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 14 2023 1:38 utc | 181

Southfront a few days ago had a couple of videos that made me spew whiskey on part of my monitor it was so fugging hilarious. They were talking about how the military would start digging those massive trenches and fortifications in the frozen ground that need to be hundreds of kilometres long. One soldier had a shovel and was balancing his frame on it trying to make even a small cut to pry out a chunk of earth and as he fell over on his ass, his buddies were guffawing loudly. Another video showed an enterprising soldier trying to get his chainsaw into the ground as heavy smoke was expelled so much I thought it would blow up in his hands.
There is NO way these doughheads will be able to make ANY kind of robust defensive line at this time of the year using troops with personal tools. Ain’t gonna happen!!

Posted by: bisfugged | Dec 14 2023 1:39 utc | 182

Melaleuca @2107
Sorry that the Land Down Under has fallen so far since the days of Gough Whitlam. As that responsible statesman was essentially taken down by the Governor General; it becomes obvious that a combination of the Crown and The City still run affairs in Canberra; with the U$$A as designated pitbull attack dog as the enforcer.
Perhaps the spirit of the land was denatured by all those fallen at Gallipoli and then later in the Western Desert. Even before those affairs taking the part of Imperial power, was the utterly egregious matter taking down the Boers, on behalf of the Rottenchild Crime Clan’s advance-man Cecil Rhodes pushing the envelope in order for the Nabobs of The City to grab all the gold and diamonds on the Witwaters Rand.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 14 2023 1:46 utc | 183

Some videos for today.
The Kiev regime shelled a bus station in Donetsk, killing a civilian:
https://rutube.ru/video/769a3685a0507586fa8f438b9a3f9143/
Russian Grad launcher pounds enemy position near Artemovsk:
https://rutube.ru/video/45800c30f81c0a978daab18751a6b784/
Russian forces near Artemovsk provide fire support:
https://rutube.ru/video/1808e175c77d1f3e1c4ba2950359daa3/
Russian Lancets destroy more enemy armored vehicles near Kleshcheevka:
https://rutube.ru/video/af686185d4e2f5984ab8d224c6b336f3/
Russian howitzer strikes enemy position on the Zaporozhye front:
https://rutube.ru/video/c53aecd163eeef49f5b522dfe2639a81/
Russian infantry fighting vehicle fires on enemy positions near Soledar:
https://rutube.ru/video/41e5a1950b3e2c21e884208e2d469f7c/

Posted by: Nate | Dec 14 2023 1:52 utc | 184

@karlof1 – 185
Yeah we called them “blanket parties” in the navy … A good way to tune up a fuck up so he could get his shit together. No serious damage but most guys, even the dullest of the bunch, would pick up the clue phone when they realized EVERYONE in the squad thumped them.
Unfortunately it seems officers don’t have the same self corrective mechanism. Which is why you wind up with douchebag like Petraeus, Millet and Austin.

Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Dec 14 2023 1:54 utc | 185

OldHippie@21:11
Cant recall where I first got introduced to the notion, but the idea struck me as mordantly amusing. To wit”. All Congre$$critter$ would be obliged to sport patches, decals on their jackets indicating exactly which corporations happen to own their services.
The template already exists with those Nascar drivers. Of course those new adverts would look a bit tacky on their $5k suits and to also be obliged to also tack them onto their well-pressed trousers would be just a tad outre’, but hey! special treatment would go on their neckties; a nice blue on white I$raeli Magen Dovid logo.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 14 2023 1:54 utc | 186

LoveDonbass @2139
Motivator #1 for both the pinstripers at $tate and the gold-braid types at the Pentagram is the $lush that accumulates in and around the military budget. They simply crave some of the $hekels. In essence, the higher ends of the Federally-funded budget are one huge hog-trough. Those grifters could care less about the Common Weal, the health of the nation. They are out for the pork and all the trimmings to boost their soaring egos and diminutive consciences.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 14 2023 2:04 utc | 187

unimperator | Dec 14 2023 1:19 utc | 178–
I’ve written for the past ten days how the continual thinning of the FEBA presents Russia with great opportunities once the thin regions are discovered and the weather cooperates for a few days in succession.
A maneuver all competent armed formations must know how to accomplish properly is the organized withdrawal such as the one Russia performed from Kherson. And to perform that properly requires practice–troops are trained in that hopefully never to be used art. Almost all Ukie troops are green and the few that are battle hardened probably never trained for such a task as it wouldn’t sit well politically. That’s the main reason why I contend that ordering such a move might generate a rout–a skedaddle–which IMO is also a fear lurking in the minds of Ukie commanders.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 14 2023 2:04 utc | 188

Looks like usa is moving on to the next war against the houthis for Israel. I doubt there will be a coalition of Arabs this time. Australia has been asked to heel before a chain is yanked and provide ships for the red sea undefined mission. Security to start with boots to fill with blood later. A pat on the head and a promise of 1970s missiles to annoy China is all Australia ever needs to define its national security policies

Posted by: Hankster | Dec 14 2023 2:09 utc | 189

Adriatic Hillbilly @ 1:54
When it comes to your douchebags, Austin is a special case. Though not particularly bright, he does possess the literally brownest nose on the Pentagram’s scrotumpole.
Ever since Obaminable kicked out the more nationalist types amongst the rankers; the message was loud and clear: Doesn’t matter your level of competence. Political correctness is in the saddle and as a result even the most competent minority types don’t have the proverbial snowball’s chance in hell to emerge much higher than Light Colonels or Naval Commanders.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 14 2023 2:09 utc | 190

The New York Times wrote today that a Putin win in Ukraine would be very bad for European democracy. I kid you not.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 13 2023 16:08 utc | 22
Perhaps the headline is true, the masses may start to see Oligarchic Democracy for the sham it it, an illusion of choice between parties owned by the same money interests. In theory democracy is fine, in practice it doesn’t work as too easy to corrupt.

Posted by: Organic | Dec 14 2023 2:13 utc | 191

Begin 87. Didn’t we just have the John Lennon discussion ?
Cue “imagine” , now that’s a song worthy of the matrix wanting to eliminate him for sparking such thoughts in ordinary folk.
I recall stat’s like 3% of usa military budget could end global hunger.
https://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/articles/math-milwaukee-billboard-just-3-u-s-military-spending-end-global-starvation/
They lose more than that into black holes every year

Posted by: Hankster | Dec 14 2023 2:16 utc | 192

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 14 2023 1:54 utc | 186
OldHippie@21:11
to wit”. All Congre$$critter$ would be obliged to sport patches, decals on their jackets indicating exactly which corporations happen to own their services.”
the size of the badge must be commensurate with the size of the endowment

Posted by: ld | Dec 14 2023 2:20 utc | 193

Tom Q. Collins @2217
Congrats. You hit on the most carefully cosseted sore-spot regarding the all-pervasive WarDefense industry, aka the Military Industrial Complex as Ike’s speechwriter Malcom Moos described it, or the MIC acronym which you employ.
Yes, employment by that devious industry…and don’t forget the pro$ticiticans in the Di$trict of Corruption, as the original by Moos was the Military Industrial, CONGRESSIONAL Complex. At the last moment, it is said…perhaps Bernie B. had gotten through to Ike, explaining that those Congre$$critter$ might get their feathers ruffled and their knickers in knots if they were included in that Farewell Address.
Politically, the only way this conundrum can possibly be corrected would be for a populist movement insisting on those firms which hire all those folks in most every congressional district…be directed by law to roll-over those monies into a form of peace-dividend for everyone concerned by earmarking it towards an all-out program to restore the nation’s infrastructure.
Our rail network is virtually hopeless as per the lame Amtrac only running a few passenger trains while each and every major civilized nation sports bullet-trains which can travel at speeds similar to those of early WWII fighter planes…around 300 MPH. Bridges: Almost lost my kid sister when her car was right on the edge when the Mississippi River span on Instestate 35 suddenly collapsed.
Rivers, streams and lakes:chemical-warfare on the biozone is only the tip of that iceberg. Farmlands: Some of the richest soils in the nation, particularly in the Corn Belt, are so full of pesticide, insecticide and every “CIDE” with the exception of direct genocide. Soil remediation would be an answer.
Several of these switch-overs could be contracted out to those MIC employers in place of their military lucre. They have the engineering expertise and technological edges to pull off a feat like American corporations did after Pearl Harbor. By mid-42, entire industries were humming, even with triple-shifts.
It’s all a matter of two factors: Vision and Will.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 14 2023 2:37 utc | 194

So Zelensky got a couple billion from the europeons? Big deal. That’ll last about a week.
Everybody who’s not retarded knows Ukraine can’t defeat Russia. Republicans would rather have them lose sooner so they can pin it on Biden. Even if they give $70B and any ammo they can find in the sofa cushions, Ukraine will still lose and probably be finished before the US election.

Posted by: Sentient | Dec 14 2023 2:43 utc | 195

Love the way that Ukraine’s failed offensive is just regarded as a mere inconvenience for Ukraine. In reality it was a massive defeat for Ukraine, the United States and NATO, as big a defeat for them as Kursk was for the Nazis in WW2, and a major victory for Russia, far more so than Ukraine’s “victories” in Kherson and Kharkov last year

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Dec 14 2023 2:57 utc | 196

Re: Posted by: Paul from Norway | Dec 13 2023 19:41 utc | 97

New general from the Us. But where is <

According to many commenters on here – Zaluzhny has been dead for many months and months.
What evidence do you have that Zaluzhny is even alive?!?

Posted by: Julian | Dec 14 2023 3:10 utc | 197

Re: Posted by: Paul from Norway | Dec 13 2023 19:41 utc | 97

New general from the Us. But where is Zaluzhny.

According to many commenters on here – Zaluzhny has been dead for many months and months.
What evidence do you have that Zaluzhny is even alive?!?

Posted by: Julian | Dec 14 2023 3:13 utc | 198

Refinnejenna | Dec 13 2023 23:29 utc | 152
Thank you for your information. I completely agree thsat there are many ways of improving medical training and of producing large numbers of nurses, nurse practitioners and health professionals of all sorts short of the MD level.
And many better, more practical ways of reaching the highest levels too.
The current programmes to train doctors are not working. They aren’t really designed to: the number of places is restricted not only by costs but by design to preserve the value of membership inthe profession by maintaining scarcity.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 14 2023 3:19 utc | 199

“I don’t have a definition of money.”
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 13 2023 22:37 utc | 138
You do not, but, with due respect, a much more qualified person has one ; J. P. Morgan was asked in 1912 before a Congressional committee:
“What is money”?
Morgan replied: “Gold is money. Everything else is credit”.
https://www.loc.gov/item/13001206

Posted by: canuck | Dec 14 2023 3:45 utc | 200