U.S. Is Pushing Kiev Into Admitting Defeat
Two such articles on the same day are not a coincidence.
- Ukraine Doesn’t Need All Its Territory to Defeat Putin - New York Times - Dec 27 2023
- The Biden Administration Is Quietly Shifting Its Strategy in Ukraine - Politico - Dec 27 2023
Ukraine's war aim is to regain all of its land up to the 1991 borders.
The appearance of those pieces means that the U.S. is now trying to push Kiev into admitting defeat.
But there are powerful forces in Ukraine, previously nurtured by the U.S., which will resist to do so.
It may thus require a civil war in Ukraine to achieve that aim.
Posted by b on December 28, 2023 at 15:30 UTC | Permalink
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Posted by: Exile | Dec 28 2023 15:42 utc | 2
"But there are powerful forces in Ukraine, previously nurtured by the U.S., which will resist to do so."
b
Exactly.
Just like in Afghanistan and elsewhere the US has created their own Frankenstein, now its blowback time; and they may do more than 'resist'- the previously 'nurtured' Nazis might come after Biden with vast 'intellectual ammunition"- the evidence of the Biden corruption in Ukraine.
That's a hell of a bargaining chip.
If this is what a Russian "defeat" looks like, I'm guessing the Beltway won't be too appreciative of anything resembling a Russian "victory"...
Posted by: marcjf | Dec 28 2023 15:50 utc | 4
thanks b.. i happened to see, but not read these yesterday...
alternatively, the west is trying to give off the suggestion they want to come to some negotiation for 'good' publicity purposes, but in reality they want to continue making more money of it all... i tend to believe the later mostly... until ukrainians themselves decide they have had enough, i don't see this stopping anytime soon...
Posted by: james | Dec 28 2023 16:00 utc | 5
Imperialism only really seems to care about Crimea for strategic positioning the black sea. Maybe the idea is to simply convince the Ukies to give up most of their country and devote their childrens lives to regaining Crimea?
I highly doubt with a disposable fall guy like Biden to take all the heat, they're just going to give up on the Ukraine project. Maybe this is more about reorienting as opposed to admitting defeat.
As it stands, there is no organized opposition to the Dems or Biden except Republicans which are willing to fund Ukraine if they get some success to sell their base on the southern border. That Blinken is in Mexico indicates the Dems are serious about convincing Republicans.
Until there is a real organized opposition to the wars of the Dems (read Zionazis) and imperialism more broadly, the murderous, insane foreign policy will continue. Russia has a military vote on Ukraine, but Iran, Palestine, really the whole middle east, has to just sit and suffer until a big change occurs in the domestic situation in the US.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 28 2023 16:04 utc | 6
reality they want to continue making more money of it all
Posted by: james | Dec 28 2023 16:00 utc | 5
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What happens at the zoo when they stop feeding the animals?
Posted by: too scents | Dec 28 2023 16:04 utc | 7
I think this thread shows discernment. It may address the problem of Ukrainian sheep being corraled for slaughter by Zelensky. They hide and bribe but still go to their deaths without any end in sight. Russia might be able to precipitate it by surrounding a large city but they may not want to since it could inhibit the ultimate solution of demographic extinction.
Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 28 2023 16:05 utc | 8
This is just western deception. Ukraine is still very strong and ffull of extremists ready and eager to fight with Russia.
Posted by: zorge | Dec 28 2023 16:14 utc | 9
Posted by: pyrrhus | Dec 28 2023 15:35 utc | 1
Despite all these planted stories, Putin will never accept anything short of total victory
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 28 2023 16:19 utc | 10
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 28 2023 16:19 utc | 10
Your post should be layed out the other way around:
"NYT CIA media rag totally trustworthy article."
then
Despite all these planted stories, Putin will never accept anything short of total victory.
Posted by: boneless | Dec 28 2023 16:26 utc | 11
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 28 2023 16:04 utc | 6
'Imperialism only really seems to care about Crimea'
Below is a comment that I posted at Saker's website on April 5, 2021. It still seems relevant today!
'So what would be the goals of the “Biden” Admin?
The goal is simple: Crimea
The 'Globalists' are failing at their goal of global dominance. The U.S., U.K. and Europe are all imploding financially. The 'Globalists'' need to contain Russia and China in order to be able to impose their system of governance on the world, and with it the 'Global Reset'. The window to do so is very narrow; less then two years, I would say. After that they will be too weak to even compete in the Multi-Polar World order.
To contain China, they need first to contain Russia.
To contain Russia, they need to control the Black Sea.
To control the Black Sea, they need Crimea.
Crimea was the reason for the Maidan in 2014, and having failed, the reason for the economic war against Russia ever since. Having failed at this as well, they are now going for one last 'Hail Mary' play to get Crimea, which will enable them to contain Russia, then China.
For the 'Globalist Elites' themselves, if they fail, they are finished. Thus, they will never stop. The only hope is that some professionals in the American military come to their senses, and refuse a suicidal war.'
Obviously, the last sentence didn't come to pass.
Posted by: dh-mtl | Dec 28 2023 16:26 utc | 12
Mr. Putin has been signaling through intermediaries since at least September that he is open to a cease-fire that freezes the fighting along the current lines, far short of his ambitions to dominate Ukraine
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 28 2023 16:19 utc | 10
Nope ... strike me as propaganda targeted toward the domestic audience to keep spirits up.
Right off the bat one of the objectives of the SMO is to demilitarize Ukraine. Russia won't accept a solution that gives Ukraine time to rebuild their army ... they've stepped on that rake before.
The fact that even though the US / NATO has said many times they wouldn't supply long range weapons that could strike deep into Russia they just attacked a Black Sea port with the long range varient of the storm shadow missile ... if there was a chance of a negotiated cease fire before this strike it's gone now.
The Russians are going to have to put Ukraine in serious jeopardy before agreeing to any negotiations if they want a lasting deal from the west.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 28 2023 16:50 utc | 13
So much for the NYT narrative on Putin suing for peace.
Posted by: Honzo | Dec 28 2023 16:50 utc | 14
I’ve asked for a while now, What is Joe Biden hiding in Ukraine?
When asked about Ukraine back in 2014 (ish) Obama said, thats joes thing, you’ll need to ask him. (Not verbatim, Sorry for lack of aource, it’s been a while)
Nuland and the F the EU phone call.
Then the video of him bragging about the prosecutor and withholding loan guarantees.
Trumps impeachment for asking for investigative help from the Ukraines. Searching for, what Joe was hiding in Ukraine.
The conspiracy of the missing DNC server connection.
There is something much much larger going on here, and Joe is hiding something, I’m just not quite sure what it is…
But what is Joe Biden hiding in Ukraine?
Just saying….
Posted by: Baba | Dec 28 2023 16:51 utc | 15
Great site B, been a avid reader since the Syrian war days…
Never posted…
Keep it up…
Posted by: Baba | Dec 28 2023 16:58 utc | 16
I highly doubt with a disposable fall guy like Biden to take all the heat, they're just going to give up on the Ukraine project. Maybe this is more about reorienting as opposed to admitting defeat.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 28 2023 16:04 utc | 6
It's not a question of 'admitting' anything. The big wheels of the west ALL embrace the capitalist economic model, and it is to be assumed therefore that they understand the 'sunk cost fallacy.' Ukraine is, ultimately, about profit, like every other action of the western ruling class. The Russians and Chinese and Iranians and their various friends and familiars have somehow managed to arrange the world in such a way to make Ukraine and the Israeli genocide project so costly and devoid of return that there's every reason to believe that good money will cease to be sent after bad in these subsidiaries. The parent company will not bankrupt itself entirely to salvage a losing venture, and it is beginning to sink in that Ukraine is a losing venture. I expect the current business model there to be abandoned, and replaced with something very cheap like cold war propaganda, to keep the EU under the US thumb. Now, there's a business area that is quite profitable for US companies, but they can't afford to put resources into lost causes that are needed to secure their profit opportunities in Europe. The on-shoring of industrial production to the US is going to be expensive, and while the war in Ukraine has created conditions underwhich European industrialist and financiers will happily bear the cost of transition, it still requires American resources to make it happen in a timely fashion, and more importantly, to retain control of the rebuilt productive base.
Posted by: Honzo | Dec 28 2023 17:01 utc | 17
Hollywood tries to produce films which reflect reality in the present or past.
In the Ukraine war, however, the film has already been produced, hollywood style. The task now is to make the reality fit the film.
This is difficult if the script on the ground differs from that in the film.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Dec 28 2023 17:01 utc | 18
@ too scents | Dec 28 2023 16:04 utc | 7
they build tunnels to get our of the zoo prison?
Posted by: james | Dec 28 2023 17:02 utc | 19
So much for the NYT narrative on Putin suing for peace.
Posted by: Honzo | Dec 28 2023 16:50 utc | 14
This one sounds like the sister article to the one in the NYT about Putin wanting a cease fire.
The 2 of them lay out the argument "sue for peace or we're carrying water for Ukraine for another five years". This is an out for the US regime without appearing to have lost. "Those inept Ukrainians couldn't follow the NATO plan and take back Crimea over the summer so we have no choice but to negotiate with Putin or keep throwing good money after bad" It's really a cease fire for Ukraine's own good ... it's got nothing to do with us being defeated.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 28 2023 17:03 utc | 20
Mr. Putin has been signaling through intermediaries since at least September that he is open to a cease-fire that freezes the fighting along the current lines, far short of his ambitions to dominate Ukraine
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 28 2023 16:19 utc | 10
Says the NYT. C'mon, man! You can do better than that!
Posted by: Honzo | Dec 28 2023 17:03 utc | 21
MSM today: "Ukraine doesn't need all of its' territory to defeat Russia"
MSM tomorrow: "Ukraine doesn't need any of its' territory to defeat Russia"
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 28 2023 17:07 utc | 22
The governor of Russia's (formerly Ukraine) Zaphorizia region has reported that his network in Ukraine is telling him Keiv's forces will collapse within weeks and parties within Ukraine are making plans for regime change.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Dec 28 2023 17:09 utc | 23
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 28 2023 16:19 utc | 10
Why the hell would you post a link to such obvious twaddle? Are you fool enough to believe that crapola?
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Dec 28 2023 17:13 utc | 24
[email protected] just sleepy Joe, there are a few top US politicians whose children sat in on Burisma, Hunters honey pot.
Money for nothing
And your tricxRx for free
404 is a black hole if corruption, grifters and grafters all the way down......with Nazi Warlords reaping the lion's share of tran$it fees on energy shipped from Russia, they are now using the Ukraine to bypass the transit fees, bleed, then break up Russian into Graftistans, then take it all, lock, stock, and long range barrels.....is Russia up to the task, on its game, only time will tell.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 28 2023 17:19 utc | 25
Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 28 2023 16:05 utc | 8
Just read a story that Ukraine's birth rate is now 0.7. The lowest in the entire world. That guarantees demographic extinction within 20 years.
20 years from now, there will likely be maybe 5-10M left in Ukraine. That is comparable to the population of Bolivia. Ukraine made its choice, it lied down with the West and now has no future.
That is, unless Blackrock decides to bring in a bunch of foreigners as indentured servants to service the debt on all the natural resources they're still planning to steal.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 28 2023 17:20 utc | 26
But what is Joe Biden hiding in Ukraine?
Just saying….
Posted by: Baba | Dec 28 2023 16:51 utc | 15
I'm trying to put this in the most polite way possible but no one outside of the US naval gazing political landscape gives a shit.
You see to anyone viewing the USA from the outside there is ZERO difference in who gets elected president or what crimes they've committed because they are all bought and paid for by the same people.
Trump is different you say. He's self funded, self made and pure as the driven snow you say ... Trump is a very talented grifter who doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself. He's one of those guys who saw a crowd marching in a direction so he jumped in front of them with a MAGA banner ... told them what they wanted to hear ... then used charm, charisma and lies to make himself look good and keep them on the hook without ever accomplishing anything he said he would.
I am a conservative ... I've been conservative all my life. I believe a man should be honest, pay his bills, look after his community and live withing his means and Donald Trump represents none of that.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 28 2023 17:21 utc | 27
"I’ve asked for a while now, What is Joe Biden hiding in Ukraine?"
That he ordered the false flag shootdown of MH-Seventeen on July 17, 2014, murdering all onboard.
Thomas
Posted by: Thomas | Dec 28 2023 17:25 utc | 28
Posted by: boneless | Dec 28 2023 16:26 utc | 11
NYT CIA media rag totally trustworthy article.
At least about as trustworthy as "Strategic Culture" or "Взгляд".
And you shouldn't be that dependent on Putin being so "idealized".
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 28 2023 17:27 utc | 29
by Thomas | Dec 28 2023 17:25 utc | 28
Well, Ukrainian Mig-29 took it down thinking it is Russian State flight. There were civilian and military radar pictures published two days after the event.
Everything else is a psy-op.
That is all there is to it.
Posted by: whirlX | Dec 28 2023 17:33 utc | 30
..Ukraine claims land all way to Crimea and Odessa and in the Western regions .,but it neglects the History. There was no Ukrainian Nation ever prior to 1991 .It was simply a Province of Russia . Most of Ukraine was Russian all way to Crimea. The Western parts were Poland and Lithuania. At the most, Ukrainians should be satisfied with Kyiv and areas around it.
Posted by: leocz | Dec 28 2023 17:40 utc | 31
leocz@31
In an ideal world Kiev will return to Russia. We will see. Perhaps even if it doesn't happen immediately it will at some point.
Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 28 2023 17:46 utc | 32
Civil war in ukraine is almost inevitable. Nothing will cure the banderite stain so well....and it was in the mix all along.
Posted by: nook | Dec 28 2023 17:49 utc | 33
It won't be enough for Putin and Xi if the US just postpones its “Endsieg”. They will want to put them in a position where they have other things to worry about than dreaming of world domination for a long time.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 28 2023 17:58 utc | 34
Several interviews of Russian foreign ministers today, the first being by TASS with Lavrov over the main issues currently in play. Here's the part dealing with Ukraine:
Question: Does Russia have any data on how much the volume of Western military aid to Ukraine has changed? Can we say that against the backdrop of the aggravation of the situation in the Middle East, this topic has faded into the background for the West? If so, how likely is it that Kiev will decide to negotiate with Moscow under such conditions?Sergey Lavrov: Despite the failure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine's counteroffensive, the West continues to pump Kiev with weapons, raising the stakes by using increasingly lethal and long-range systems in the Ukrainian conflict. NATO weapons are being supplied, including cluster munitions and depleted uranium shells.
The so-called Ramstein format continues to function, in which representatives of more than 50 countries monthly discuss Kiev's requests for the provision of military equipment and ammunition.
The tragic events in the Middle East pushed the Ukrainian crisis off the front pages of the Western media for some time. However, for most unfriendly governments, "inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia on the battlefield" is still among the priorities. Neither Washington nor Brussels refuses to provide assistance to the Kiev regime, understanding that without it it is doomed. They still have a vested interest in deterring Russia with the hands and bodies of Ukrainians.
We are compelled to state the lack of will for peace on the part of the Zelensky regime. Its representatives think in terms of war and resort to very aggressive rhetoric. There is no question of a cessation of hostilities. The ban imposed by Vladimir Zelensky on September 30, 2022 on negotiations with the Russian leadership remains in force. Draw your own conclusions.
As Lavrov has noted ever since it was implemented, until Zelensky's edict gets overturned, there will be no negotiations. It's that simple. When the NYT headlines, "Zelensky Dumps Russian Negotiation Ban," then the world will know negotiations might commence. But until then, the NATO policy goal remains unchanged as does Russia's.
USA made russia pay a heavy blood price for its Ukraine aggression…heheheh
Posted by: USA =World Sovereign | Dec 28 2023 18:11 utc | 36
Baba@15
What Biden is hiding in Ukraine, quite apart from the sordid detail of his business dealings of which, in an almost Trumpian way, he appears to be quite proud, is the reality that liberalism is unstable. It is a transitional stage, politically and economically, a crossroads from which there is nbo way forward but a left or right turn. Socialism or Barbarism.
And Ukraine is barbarism, promoted and buttressed by, the chosen agents of post liberalism, fascists.
Beyond the smoke of war and the chaos of Kiev's constantly changing alliances Ukraine represents Europe's future: semi-criminal collaborationism, founded upon a strip mined economy while the project of sabotaging Eurasian development and opening Russia to imperialist colonisation goes forward.
It was lucky for Europe, for the USA and Canada, that it secreted, in the emigration of Hitler's most enthusiastic Ukrainian and eastern european collaborators, the ideology of the Nazis for the time at which it would prove to be essential: the current era in which the need to crusade against the slavs (not to mention the Chinese) is critical to the survival of the system.
Consider the tableau in Ottawa's Parliament where it took the appearance of a 98 year old veteran of the Waffen SS to bring Senate and House together and unite members of all parties in a common belief.
Europe's future is to be NATO, the Empire's self sustaining army. An essential force in the war to perfect its hegemony.
The only vibrant living political tradition in Europe, apart from the undercurrents of resistance from those of the exploited awakened to reality, is that of the Collaborator.
The European political class is one of collaborationists, in the east they are the descendants of those who fell in with the Warsaw Pact. In the west, where the Nazis established the rule of collaborators ready to sacrifice, even to the extent of providing slave labour and cannon fodder, everything, in order to ingratiate themselves with Berlin, nothing was more natural than to do for Washington what had previously been required of them by the Reich.
They are so obsessed with the fixation that their (and their country's) purpose is to prostrate themselves before power that they spend half their time looking for new arses to lick. All they require is to be bullied. They can go nowhere unless they are kept in line. It gives their otherwise meaningless existences, purpose and justification. Can it be an accident that Leopold von Sacher Masoch was a Galician, born in Lvov?
How else can we explain the German government's complicity in the ruining of its economy, its welcoming of castration of its industry by cutting off, one by one, the sources of its energy?
Or of, the Petain fan, Macron's insouciance as France's African neo-colonies were taken from it?
Or of the enthusiasm in Europe's ruling elites for the Israeli assault on Gaza which is putting an end to the last shreds of the continent's half a millenium of posing as a morally superior civilisation?
One of the, almost inexplicable, features of the SMO has been the way in which it galvanised the neutrals in Europe- both the states like Sweden, Finland and Switzerland and the 'pacificistic' 'left'- to throw away the positions developed over centuries and align themselves with the tattooed losers of the Azov Brigades and the spivs surrounding Zelensky a caricature of the con-artist.
In fact it is quite easily explained: it signified the ending of Europe's illusions of independence, dignity and sovereignty. The entire political class was throwing itself at Washington's feet. And not because the US Empire showed the signs of omnipotence which reduce realists to, sincere or not, poses of dependence and fealty. But because the Scholtz's, Macrons et al felt that, at long last, their pitiful contributions might be valued , taken into account, rewarded.
It is when the great beauty, inaccessible, unavailable to all but the luckiest lovers, falls into decline and fades that the likes of Macron, Scholtz and Starmer, Borrel and van der Leyden dare to start courting her.
And America had to wait until it was personified in Biden-Trump before the leadership of the EU dared to look her in the face and murmur to itself "I can be of use to her. I am not so despicable that I cannot dream of parity with the clowns stumbling down the steps of Air Force One."
Posted by: bevin | Dec 28 2023 18:15 utc | 37
by karlof1 | Dec 28 2023 18:00 utc | 35
Thanks for this, as Lavrov is always a valuable indicator of the direction the SMO goes.
I get snippets of Lavrov's interviews via XTwiter and for me the best so far was:
The United States has officially recognized Russia as its enemyIf this is indeed the case, then Moscow is ready for any development of events.
The way I understand it, the gloves might just come off real soon.
Posted by: whirlX | Dec 28 2023 18:16 utc | 38
All these "news" articles, including the one in the NY Times saying Putin wants a ceasefire, have two purposes.
First, to hide the massive strategic defeat of the US and NATO in Ukraine by attempting to create the perception that the war is at a "stalemate". Apparently, they don't know the definition of a stalemate, being "a situation in which further action or progress by opposing or competing parties seems impossible."
Second, as b suggests, to force the Ukrainians to negotiate with Russia. But the only negotiations Russia will actively engage in will be Ukraine's complete and unconditional surrender. I am quite certain that such terms are unacceptable to Washington.
This all reflects the absolutely delusional "thinking" of the neocon ideologues. What will they do when Russian troops enter Odessa and shut off the Black Sea to NATO (HATO)?
Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 28 2023 18:18 utc | 39
But what is Joe Biden hiding in Ukraine?
Just saying….
Posted by: Baba | Dec 28 2023 16:51 utc | 15
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Money laundering, biowarfare, sex trade (including underage), organ harvesting.
Posted by: financial matters | Dec 28 2023 18:18 utc | 40
"Keep fighting, you men at the front, Putin wants a ceasefire. He's weakening".
Low ukraine morale is the reason the articles which have been punlished, not to push kiev into a ceasefire.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Dec 28 2023 18:21 utc | 41
Honzo @14
That article sources an article written in March '23 where Putain said to Xi the war would last 5 years.
Always click through to the original so as not to propagate incorrect information.
Or be lazy... I don't give a ahit one way or another. People falling for bullshit is my favored source of entertainment.
Posted by: comrade simba | Dec 28 2023 18:24 utc | 42
I see we have another who had whatever intelligence it had removed for Christmas.
Lavrov's other interview was with RIA Novosti and Rossiya 24 TV channel and is very detailed compared to the one with TASS, and the Q&As over Ukraine are much longer. I'll have all the interviews posted in an article sometime today. Meanwhile, here's the middle portion of that overall discussion over Ukraine/SMO:
Given our good relations, I can say that another meeting took place ten days ago: the G7 plus the leading developing countries. Not all of the world's majority countries participated. Some declined the invitation. The meeting was held in complete secrecy. Nothing was reported about her anywhere. No leaks were reported.Dmitry Kiselev: But you know.
Sergey Lavrov: We know. Those who took part in this meeting from among our close allies and like-minded people, they did not promise anyone to keep any secrets from us on an issue related to the Russian Federation. They agreed to hold another meeting in January 2024, and a whole "peace summit" in February, where they will "approve" Vladimir Zelensky's "peace formula".
What we are told is confirmed by various sources. The West is talking about "Vladimir Zelensky's 10 points" – not a step to the side, not to the left, not to the right, not back, only forward. Approve them as they are. Speaking in Russian, such a "wiring" (sorry for the jargon). Like, here are the 10 points. If you don't like the cordon sanitaire around Russia, take food security. Like, we understand.
Then they will say that so many countries are participating, one has taken such an "innocent point", the other has taken a second "innocent point", for example, nuclear security, and all together, therefore, support a return to 1991.
When we talk to the countries that are invited to these "get-togethers" and those that remain outside the framework of this process, but are interested in how this crisis will be resolved, we explain to them a simple thing.
What does 1991 mean? This means that Ukraine remains within the borders that were formed at the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union. President Vladimir Putin recently reiterated that part of this process was Ukraine's adoption of the Declaration of Independence, which clearly stated that there is no NATO, everyone is equal, the rights of minorities and much more.
Now, Vladimir Zelensky is saying, "Give me these lands." A lot has happened since 1991. A series of laws have been adopted, starting with the "period of Viktor Yushchenko" and continuing with the "period of Petr Poroshenko" and "the period of Viktor Zelensky". This is a post-coup campaign. The Russian language is banned in all spheres. To this day, the Constitution of Ukraine states that the rights of Russians and other national minorities are guaranteed and described in detail in education, culture, upbringing, and in almost all spheres. In gross violation of the Constitution, the adopted laws prohibit all this. Local acts were added to the laws. For example, a couple of months ago, Viktor Klitschko banned the use of the Russian language in any sphere in Kiev's cultural, social and everyday life. However, most of them still speak Russian. This reflects the true authority of the Ukrainian regime and all its "slogans".
There is a selection of quotes on how Ukrainian officials think about Russians. After the coup d'état, former Prime Minister of Ukraine Oleksandr Yatsenyuk said that they were "subhumans." Later, Petr Poroshenko said that their children would study in schools and kindergartens, while children in Donbass would sit in basements. Even before the start of the special military operation, Vladimir Zelensky was asked what he thought about the people who live in Donbass and demand the implementation of the Minsk Agreements. He said that there are people and there are "beings." They say that if you are in Ukraine, a Ukrainian citizen, but you feel that you are involved in the Russian language, Russian culture, you should go to Russia. This was said in August 2021.
Therefore, those who are now "inviting" the rest of the world to support the demands to return Ukraine to the borders of 1991 are demands for genocide. [My Emphasis]
You see, Lavrov can utter the G word, which many would like to see him use more often. I see no difference between what Lavrov said here and what he said to TASS. There's just more context with this entire interview.
Just more Deep State Drivel…
RF will NOT give up on those things essential to state security.
Let’s face it - the Woke Dems are toast in the next election, especially with abortion off the table.
Posted by: OldFart | Dec 28 2023 18:30 utc | 44
whirlX | Dec 28 2023 18:16 utc | 38--
Thanks for your reply. Busy day with three interviews and Putin's meeting with Novatek CEO Sergey Chemezov. Clearly, the NYT needs to pose this Q in a headline: When Will Zelensky Drop Negotiation Ban? When that happens, wake me up.
The US is onboard with getting out. The two (related) sticking points are (1) "letting Russia get away with it" and (2) Biden looking like he lost. The actual fate of Ukraine is not material.
Really, the pain point is still not that high with the US. No US bodies coming home. And less spend than the GWOT. And...just print another billion.
Getting Ukraine to agree will be simple. The mere threat (or action) of withdrawing support will be enough. And Ukraine was ready to make a deal earlier. That part is actually simpler than the US Homefront part. I would also not underestimate Russian willingness to make a deal. The Duran-listening, talk-to-each-other, shut-ears-to-outside-opinions-as-hated-foreign-microbes, "heading to Odessa" crowd doesn't think so. But then again...look at what they are. Like the acolytes to Sundance at Treehouse. Still waiting for that magic Trump "winning".
Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 28 2023 18:42 utc | 46
Over100,000 Russians eliminated…a good success…heheheh
Posted by: Zionist American | Dec 28 2023 18:48 utc | 47
Mr. Putin has been signaling through intermediaries since at least September that he is open to a cease-fire that freezes the fighting along the current lines, far short of his ambitions to dominate Ukraine
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 28 2023 16:19 utc | 10
What does Putin want?
Hard to say ...
What does Putin NOT want?
1 - Keeping the nazis in power in Kiev,
2 - Having NATO weaponry - or even worse NATO troops along Russia proper border.
3 - Nazi Ukraine still accessing freely the Black sea shore.
4 - Armed Nazis keeping on firing over the border upon Russian civilians at will ...
5 - Taking over all of uKraine and having to cope with western Ukrainian nazis, next having their votes to reckon with in Russia proper elections.
This "unwanted points" will define Russian position in negotiations.
I suppose that ideally according to the Kremlin, Medvedchuk in Kiev will preside over democratic disarmed uKraine with no access to Black Sea, while Russia will receive a landbridge up to Tiraspol and the cities/oblasts of Zaporojie, Dniepro, Krivoi-Rog, Nikolaev, Odessa, Kirovograd, Kharkov, Poltava, Sumy, Chernigov.
This supposes a major collapse of uKrainian forces.
Kovel/Lutsk, Rovno, Jitomir could go to Minsk if it extended its hand to seize it - so far doubtful...
BTW, Medvedev said Kiev is Russian ...
Orban might ask for a landbridge up to Hungarian border ...
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Dec 28 2023 19:14 utc | 48
Over100,000 Russians eliminated…a good success…heheheh
Posted by: Zionist American | Dec 28 2023 18:48 utc | 47
Ukraine deaths 300,000. I guess putin wins 3-1 then. Lol.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Dec 28 2023 19:17 utc | 49
A ceasefire is just a break in the "official" carnage. Regardless of whether or not there is a ceasefire, Ukraine/NATO will never stop guerilla actions against Russia; Russia is of course fully expecting this. All of this is for certain. We all know Ukraine is, de facto at least, part of NATO now, and Russia is at war with NATO. There are events set in motion, these 'black swans' --- each side plays their careful game, waiting for these to parts to unfold. For Russia's part, they are waiting on the inevitable collapse of the USA and are doing what they can to hasten it with BRICS, gas exports, and other means. The US/Western compact no doubt have agents active all over Russia trying to stoke division, strife, and civil war so they can carve it up. All the while we sit on the cusp of nuclear annihilation if the West continues to press too far. The West is the aggressor and provoker here, 100%. It has ZERO reasons to stand behind Ukraine except for its own corrupt ends and to provoke Russia.
Posted by: dirtforker | Dec 28 2023 19:21 utc | 50
Or be lazy... I don't give a ahit one way or another. People falling for bullshit is my favored source of entertainment.
Posted by: comrade simba | Dec 28 2023 18:24 utc | 42
You missed the point: the article appeared in today's newsfeed. It doesn't matter if it was first published in 1914, it's being presented as news now, and then disappeared, which overall indicates that the machine is having some difficulty sticking with the narrative. And for good reason, the facts on the ground are such that even the American public won't be able avoid the fact of a Russian victory for much longer. The 'Putin is looking for a way out' narrative has already past its sell-by date. It's too early to know, but I expect that a new Cold War narrative is coming, because it helps lock down domestic control in the west, and the subservience of the EU to the US. An oldie but a goodie- it worked great for forty years.
Posted by: Honzo | Dec 28 2023 19:23 utc | 51
"U.S. Is Pushing Kiev Into Admitting Defeat"
After western medias wrote about the soon to come taking back of Crimea, now they write about a stalemate, that 5 Russian jets and one ship were hit and that Russia is so exhausted that it wants to negotiate.
Empire of lies as always. But imagine the result on people who have no other source of information.
And at the same time, they give a free hand to the judeonazis to exterminate the Palestinians.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 28 2023 19:24 utc | 52
Interesting. My newsfeed is nothing but tales of Glorious Ukrainian Victory and Triumph After Ukrainian Triumph, "game-changer" weapons, and of course, the Spirit Of Determination And Freedom Emobodied By Zelenskii.
Not a peep about how Ukraine is magnanimously helping invalids, infectious TB patients, the partially blind, epileptics, etc. participate in these Epic Wins by letting them soak up Russian munitions.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 28 2023 19:25 utc | 53
There will be no ceasefire until the war criminals in kiev are ousted.
All this bullshit talk about putin wanting a ceasefire is just bollox planted by the CIA and MI6 for the MSM to disseminate.
The kiev forces are on the verge of collapse. This is a ploy to raise morale amongst the troops making them feel theyre winning.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Dec 28 2023 19:26 utc | 54
If and to the extent that Washington abandons Project Ukraine (or just seeks to put it on the back burner), this is because Washington intends to go to war against Iran shortly, and will need to dedicate its resources towards that war.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 28 2023 19:28 utc | 55
This "unwanted points" will define Russian position in negotiations.
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Dec 28 2023 19:14 utc | 48
You are confusing negotiations and capitulation. Negotiations were Minsk 1, 2 and 3, and Istabul 1. It is over.
And the criminals will have to go court. Like already happening for several men sent to the courts of the RPD. There is also the Bandera option.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 28 2023 19:29 utc | 56
"A ceasefire is just a break in the "official" carnage. Regardless of whether or not there is a ceasefire, Ukraine/NATO will never stop guerilla actions against Russia; Russia is of course fully expecting this. All of this is for certain. We all know Ukraine is, de facto at least, part of NATO now, and Russia is at war with NATO. There are events set in motion, these 'black swans' --- each side plays their careful game, waiting for these to parts to unfold. For Russia's part, they are waiting on the inevitable collapse of the USA and are doing what they can to hasten it with BRICS, gas exports, and other means. The US/Western compact no doubt have agents active all over Russia trying to stoke division, strife, and civil war so they can carve it up. All the while we sit on the cusp of nuclear annihilation if the West continues to press too far. The West is the aggressor and provoker here, 100%. It has ZERO reasons to stand behind Ukraine except for its own corrupt ends and to provoke Russia.
Posted by: dirtforker | Dec 28 2023 19:21 utc | 50"
The one thing that all successful insurgencies in recent decades have in common is a young population. The median age in Yemen is something like 19 years old. The median age in Ukraine is over 40, and that from before the war.
Not to say that the US and its european buttbois won't try, but it won't work.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 28 2023 19:34 utc | 57
Russia needs strong, independent neighbors
I have long said that Russia needs strong, independent neighbors that pursue their selfish national interests. It despises neighbors that reject their own national interests and instead allow overseas masters to exploit their countries for geopolitical games. It is interesting that the New York Times has come up with a similar choice of words:
True victory for Ukraine is to rise from the hell of the war as a strong, independent, prosperous and secure state, firmly planted in the West. It would be exactly what Mr. Putin most feared......from a neighboring state with deep historical ties to Russia, and would be a testament to what Russia promised to become in 1991, when both countries broke free of the Soviet Union, before Mr. Putin entered the Kremlin and succumbed to grievance and the lure of dictatorial power and imperial illusion.
Naturally the New York Times nor the Biden administration do not want Ukraine to be strong or independent. The fundamental reason for the war in the Ukraine is Europe's and the EU's loss of independence. Modern America and its "Rules-Based Order" does not allow sovereignty to exist. It will attack a any country that shows true independence.
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Alex Christoforou calls the two articles, and the one in New York Times from December 23, "The Trilogy". See:
Putin Quietly Signals He Is Open to a Cease-Fire in Ukraine (archive)
He analyzes their purpose on a video from today:
Defense; New Ukraine strategy. Duping Russia into armistice. Medvedev includes Kiev in prediction
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Dec 28 2023 19:39 utc | 58
Money laundering, biowarfare, sex trade (including underage), organ harvesting.
Posted by: financial matters | Dec 28 2023 18:18 utc | 40
Here are the prices:
Summary prices in 2023 (Ukraine)
Kidney 15000-25000$
Liver 30000$
Lungs 50000$
Eyes 6000$
Heart 200000$
Legs 10000$
Hands 2000$
Bone marrow 20000$
Ovary 12000$
Penile 8000$
Ears 3000$
One litre of blood 150$
Any purchase offer is discusse individually, taking into account the condition and the quality of the goods.
Ukrainians are "goods".
Posted by: Naive | Dec 28 2023 19:42 utc | 59
The Hollywood narrative is a complete failure now, but the CIA and MI6 are still pushing their MSM lackies into playing the final act.
The Sun's take on that final scene of the movie is a "palace coup" in the kremlin. Oh boy! These people have been so used to living there lives in a celluloid world. Gosh!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Dec 28 2023 19:43 utc | 60
USA made russia pay a heavy blood price for its Ukraine aggression…heheheh
Posted by: USA =World Sovereign | Dec 28 2023 18:11 utc | 36
Indeed you say ...lets just look at this then.
Since February 2022
The IMF claims the Russian GDP has grown despite "nuclear level sanctions" ... that's the IMF, not a Russian source.
The US support for Ukraine went from "Russia can't possibly win and we will support them to the bitter end" to "Zelensky better negotiate because we're out of cash".
The brics went from 5 emerging economies to a 10 nation economic bloc that includes the worlds biggest oil producers and the worlds biggest oil buyers that will not be trading in USD any more.
The USA dominated the UN isolating Russia to the USA being isolated at the UN over the support of Israel.
And last Putin was treated like a victorious emperor at the UAE and Saudi Arabis last month while Blinken had to take a cab from the airport and was made to wait all night before a Saudi official would talk to him.
And it's Russia that's paying a heavy price over Ukraine
Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 28 2023 19:55 utc | 61
Crimea was the reason for the Maidan in 2014, and having failed, the reason for the economic war against Russia ever since. Having failed at this as well, they are now going for one last 'Hail Mary' play to get Crimea, which will enable them to contain Russia, then China.For the 'Globalist Elites' themselves, if they fail, they are finished. Thus, they will never stop. The only hope is that some professionals in the American military come to their senses, and refuse a suicidal war.'
Obviously, the last sentence didn't come to pass.Posted by: dh-mtl | Dec 28 2023 16:26 utc | 12
For the reasons you give, the war in Ukraine is as existential for the western elites as it is for Russia. They know if they lose this it's eventually game over for the US empire (which will happen regardless of outcome, just not as fast). I think that most of the western imperialists, unlike their Ukrainian counterparts, have a bit more realistic view of Crimea. They know that at least in the short term, taking back Crimea is not going to happen. What truly scares the living hell out of them is the possible loss of Odessa and Ukraine's Black Sea coast. Loss of Odessa would likely mean also the loss of Ukraine lands in the west adjacent to Romania, Moldova, Hungary and Slovakia, thus opening the door for these countries to align themselves with Russia and move away from NATO/EU. The West's hold on the entire region would slip away, fault lines in the EU and NATO would open, and any glimmer of hope for taking back Crimea lost. It sure looks like the West is willing to go to the mat to hold on to Ukraine's Black Sea coastline, if you will the US/West's 'red line,' and they are reckless enough to take us right into WW3.
Posted by: Mike R | Dec 28 2023 20:04 utc | 62
Mr. Putin has been signaling through intermediaries since at least September that he is open to a cease-fire that freezes the fighting along the current lines, far short of his ambitions to dominate Ukraine
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 28 2023 16:19 utc | 10
LOL
Western low propaganda. A cease-fire like the one during 8 years following Minsk 1 & 2? Stupid westerners think that Russian are more stupid than themselves.
Targets since the beginning and confirmed time and again: demilitarisation, denazification, neutralisation of Ukraine, end of the sanctions.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 28 2023 20:05 utc | 63
It sure looks like the West is willing to go to the mat to hold on to Ukraine's Black Sea coastline, if you will the US/West's 'red line,' and they are reckless enough to take us right into WW3.
Posted by: Mike R | Dec 28 2023 20:04 utc | 62
No way, the westerners are cowards. Period.
See all those western special forces and mercenaries pushed under the rug when destroyed?!
Posted by: Naive | Dec 28 2023 20:12 utc | 64
The translations of Lavrov's two interviews are now available, "Lavrov's Two Interviews--TASS & Channel 24/Ria Novosti", both combined contain lots of material to chew on. Both are global in their content.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 28 2023 17:21 utc | 27
So I take it, as a principled conservative, you haven’t voted for several decades then, and won’t next year. Which, if true, means, indirectly that you bare some of the responsibility for Ukraine, and if not true your moral objections are merely guidelines, subject to review.
Posted by: Milites | Dec 28 2023 20:41 utc | 67
Posted by: Milites | Dec 28 2023 20:41 utc | 67
Of course I vote ... I'm not American.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 28 2023 20:44 utc | 68
Posted by: Honzo | Dec 28 2023 17:03 utc | 21
Says the NYT. C'mon, man! You can do better than that!
Seems absurd to rail about the NYT lacking credibility when this article itself has a link to an NYT article.
And going off topic:
Posted by: OldFart | Dec 28 2023 18:30 utc | 44
Let’s face it - the Woke Dems are toast in the next election, especially with abortion off the table.
Where did you get the idea that abortion was off the table? The 2022 and 2023 elections showed that abortion rights was still a very compelling issue. People expect abortion rights to lead to Dems dominating the 2024 election.
And there's no such thing as "woke". "Woke" is a term invented by right wing bigots to use as a strawman. In all honesty, use of the term "woke" is as sure a sign that the speaker is a neo-Nazi as any Azov patch.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 28 2023 21:05 utc | 69
Do F-16 fighter pilots have beards? I ask because the latest Simplicius features an Ukrainian propaganda video with a bearded pilot.
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 28 2023 21:10 utc | 70
Posted by: Milites | Dec 28 2023 20:41 utc | 67
###############
How can anyone bear responsibility for not worshipping the hand puppets displayed on the cave wall?
Your comment would have more weight if elections were real and not a form of social catharsis/inertia and pageantry.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 28 2023 21:14 utc | 71
@financial matters | Dec 28 2023 18:18 utc | 40
Add "narcotics manufacturing and distribution" to your list. Think KhimProm.
Posted by: cirsium | Dec 28 2023 21:25 utc | 72
Mike R 62: WW III? Never. The United States will never risk a war that could even remotely cause destruction on its own territory. They are much more likely to shit on their empire, declare that the world does not deserve their kindness, and play splendid isolation.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 28 2023 21:37 utc | 73
@HERPES
Sacrificing 300,000 inkiest to liquidate 100,000 orcs…a good bargain…heheheh
Posted by: Zionist American | Dec 28 2023 21:58 utc | 74
Biden hopes for
a chemical false flag claiming the Russians killed themselves and others setting it up
more terrorist sabotage by ukraine within Russia
f16 to shoot down a few planes ..
the parasite Z and Ukraine to eat up its EU host so USA can salvage kidnap the remains to screw over EU more (UK is better off not included as done Brexit ).
USA to blackmail all EU to contribute at least the required Nato contribution....and more sanctions
more arms sales by armbending so can restock..
supporting Armenia against Alyev and "friend Putin " says Blinken then trying to include Iran in any potential developments
raising the stakes of enhanced military action..
few thoughts
Posted by: Jo | Dec 28 2023 22:02 utc | 75
Has anyone else noticed the ages and ranks of Zionist troops announced KIA'd in Gaza?
23 year old "majors."
19 year old "staff sergeants."
When I was in an infantry battalion, no 23 year old would reach a rank higher then 2nd lieutenant, 1st lieutenant if they were lucky.
If a 19 year old made corporal, he was doing well.
There was even a 25 year old "colonel."
WTF?
Have they got 25 year old generals, like General Custer?
Or do they just hand out sergeants' stripes and majors' crowns free in packets of corn flakes?
Weird.
Still, I suppose shooting kids and beating up people in wheelchairs isn't that difficult.
Posted by: anon | Dec 28 2023 22:04 utc | 76
Are the M777 artillery pieces all destroyed? They are no longer appearing in the Russian MOD's daily reports. It may be that the remaining units are waiting for barrel replacements, but it looks like Ukraine is in serious danger of running out of artillery.
Posted by: HH | Dec 28 2023 22:06 utc | 77
Naive 59
They can probably get a better deal on body parts in Tel Aviv, the world centre of organ/ sex/ drug/ child/ arms trafficking.
Posted by: anon | Dec 28 2023 22:11 utc | 78
Does anyone know the percentage of the Israeli population that holds dual citizenship with Ukraine, Russia Belaris, and any NATO country (eg USA, Poland, UK, Italy, Hungary etc)?
Is there a breakout by country of percent or number of Israeli holding dual citizenship with them?
Posted by: Jerr | Dec 28 2023 22:23 utc | 79
@74
The Zionist American rubs itself gleefully at the blue eyed European devils killing each other, it hates them and always had. The life of any gentile is meaningless to such shape shifting parasites.
Posted by: Farflungstar | Dec 28 2023 22:26 utc | 80
Honzo @19:53
My point is you presented it as today's news... which is promoting a false narrative. I understand exactly how the NYT functions, and your first post was a fine example of that. Maybe be more careful in the future, lest you be seen as friend of shills.
Posted by: comrade simba | Dec 28 2023 22:50 utc | 81
- Larry C. Johnson:
"Russia is about to encircle 60 to 70 thousand ukrainian troops in/around Adivka and about to take/have taken Marienka".
Posted by: Mr. Market | Dec 28 2023 22:52 utc | 82
- Larry C. Johnson:
"Odessa is russia" and "Odessa is russian".
Posted by: Mr. Market | Dec 28 2023 22:53 utc | 83
Correction (of post # 83):
- Larry C. Johnson (former CIA analyst):
"Putin: Odessa is Russia and Odessa is russian".
Posted by: Mr. Market | Dec 28 2023 22:56 utc | 84
It's not a question of 'admitting' anything. The big wheels of the west ALL embrace the capitalist economic model, and it is to be assumed therefore that they understand the 'sunk cost fallacy.' Ukraine is, ultimately, about profit, like every other action of the western ruling class. The Russians and Chinese and Iranians and their various friends and familiars have somehow managed to arrange the world in such a way to make Ukraine and the Israeli genocide project so costly and devoid of return that there's every reason to believe that good money will cease to be sent after bad in these subsidiaries. The parent company will not bankrupt itself entirely to salvage a losing venture, and it is beginning to sink in that Ukraine is a losing venture. I expect the current business model there to be abandoned, and replaced with something very cheap like cold war propaganda, to keep the EU under the US thumb. Now, there's a business area that is quite profitable for US companies, but they can't afford to put resources into lost causes that are needed to secure their profit opportunities in Europe. The on-shoring of industrial production to the US is going to be expensive, and while the war in Ukraine has created conditions underwhich European industrialist and financiers will happily bear the cost of transition, it still requires American resources to make it happen in a timely fashion, and more importantly, to retain control of the rebuilt productive base.
Posted by: Honzo | Dec 28 2023 17:01 utc | 17
So, the big wheels of the whole world "embrace the capitalist economic model". That includes china and Russia.
"Ukraine is, ultimately, about profit, like every other action of the western ruling class.". Well, also geostrategic positioning which is about long term profits.
"Now, there's a business area that is quite profitable for US companies, but they can't afford to put resources into lost causes". Well, look at Afghanistan. A lot of folks here realize military contractors profit, win or lose.
With those minor points, I'd add that generally I think you assume too much of US imperialism. There is some vague planning, but ultimately they are just flailing about at this point. Also, you seem to confuse it with a business at risk of going bankrupt. They just print money and never really think anything through. That's precisely why there is no real planning geopolitically. There are no consequences.
Now, if say 100,000 Americans united, victory or death, in opposition of both imperialist parties, started encouraging workers to strike to change policies and reeducated the youth, then, there would be some consequences. Ultimately, an organized opposition to the ruling class in the US is what's lacking.
The Bolsheviks stopped a WW. We need American Bolsheviks.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 28 2023 22:57 utc | 85
If and to the extent that Washington abandons Project Ukraine (or just seeks to put it on the back burner), this is because Washington intends to go to war against Iran shortly, and will need to dedicate its resources towards that war.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 28 2023 19:28 utc | 55
Perhaps you can tell me how the US would prosecute a war against Iran. With what? To what end? A decade ago US wargames on the subject resulted in an Iranian victory and the complete destruction of the carrier battle group. Since then, Iranian technical capabilities have advanced dramatically. US capabilities have not.
The flow of oil from the Gulf states would cease immediately. US bases in the region would be destroyed. US fleets would be sunk. And then what? Nukes? What is the point of the US starting such a war? There's nothing to be won, and a lot to lose.
Posted by: Honzo | Dec 28 2023 22:59 utc | 86
Naive | Dec 28 2023 20:12 utc | 64; Oliver Krug | Dec 28 2023 21:37 utc | 73
You may be right that 'the westerners are cowards' and that 'The United States will never risk a war that could even remotely cause destruction on its own territory'
Unfortunately' the 'Global Elites' that are currently running things in the West (and are desperate to create their 'Global Empire') 1. think that they are personally invincible and 2. could care less about the U.S.
After all, these 'Gloabal Elites' have been systematically trying to draw the U.S. into a direct confrontation with Russia ever since the early days of Russia's intervention into Syria. They have also been systematically destroying the U.S. from within with their 'Open Borders' and their undermining of the economic, political, justice, etc. systems in order to crush any and all opposition.
I have no doubt that these people see WWIII and even a global nuclear conflict as an acceptable price to pay to preserve their power.
Posted by: dh-mtl | Dec 28 2023 23:01 utc | 87
@ fartdungstar
Animals act like animals and will be treated as such…heheheh
Posted by: Zionist American | Dec 28 2023 23:04 utc | 88
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 28 2023 21:14 utc | 71
How many conflicts did the US engineer between 2016-20? The old Uniparty (two wings same bird) matches your description but there’s now an alternative, hence institutional panic (just got off the phone from my journo friend) and a growing desire to dismantle them, hence their stop Trump at any cost vibe.
Posted by: HH | Dec 28 2023 22:06 utc | 77
Either that or the current shape of the Forward Edge of the Battle Area (FEBA) around the critical locations does not allow them to exploit their range superiority to survive, or the new generation Lancets and ISR tech is far more effective counter-battery assets.
Posted by: anon | Dec 28 2023 22:04 utc | 76
Ignorant of the IDF and how it operates and posted on the wrong thread.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 28 2023 21:05 utc | 69
Your fear is perceptible, your DNC scripted answers obvious, and your denial of wokeism an acknowledgement of the damage it is causing the feudal-liberal project.
Posted by: Milites | Dec 28 2023 23:07 utc | 89
It's all about the US election - period.
They still despise Russia and want to freeze the conflict now Ukraine is losing.If Biden wins the election they'll be back with a vengeance - period.
After what the Western press has done over the last 2 years. No they haven't come to their senses, Dearie me, all they are doing is virtue signalling.
This belief that NOW they no the truth is complete bullshit. They have knew the truth all along and projected horse manure.
Over to you the Moscow elite and businesses - what does winning look like ?Are you going to do it right or cave to Western demand ?
That's all millions of people care about right now, who would like a multipolar world. Then weigh up and judge Russia up by the decision.
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 28 2023 23:12 utc | 90
Lavrov's key, critical, article written last July and published by Izvestia (I know it was never posted or linked to here) is now available along with Putin's chat with Rostec's CEO, "Putin Chats with Rostec CEO & Lavrov's Izvestia Essay, "On Staging as a Method of Western Policy"".
Posted by: Honzo | Dec 28 2023 22:59 utc | 86
Below is a link backing up your statement about war games showing the US loosing battles with Iran. To me, the thought of the US going to war with Iran is laughable. The US does not have the conventional means to do it and win. If the US navy threatened Iran. There would be a lot of new man made "reefs". Resting on the sea bottom of the Persian Gulf area.
https://warontherocks.com/2015/11/millennium-challenge-the-real-story-of-a-corrupted-military-exercise-and-its-legacy/
Posted by: golddigger | Dec 28 2023 23:22 utc | 92
Reply to comment #12.
That's true. NATO warships were always in the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov from 2013 to 2022 until war broke.
A look at the map shows why. From there, Russia's population, industrial and politically sensitive areas are just 1,800km away. The practically closest approach NATO can have. The Arctic route is too far and too difficult. Russia dominates the ice breaker war. From the West it is not possible due to distance beyond Moscow and due to the danger it poses to most vulnerable NATO members.
This is why NATO is after the Sea of Azov. If they can't have it, they at the very least want Crimea to hold Russia's important localities to risk. On the other hand, Russia holds all NATO population, industrial, economic and political centres to risk (except Canada). Especially so after the deployment of Poseidon UUV which is a "civilization-ending" weapon, the only one of its kind.
NATO priorities in the Ukraine war.
1. Sea of Azov
2. Crimea
3. Eastern Black Sea
4. Black Sea
The rest of Ukraine are expendable and disposable trash.
Russia must use sea mines to disrupt NATO plans. Cheap but effective. NATO can't up the ante in sea mine warfare as they totally depend on sea freight for commercial, colonial and military purposes.
Posted by: Jason | Dec 28 2023 23:22 utc | 93
Posted by: Jerr | Dec 28 2023 22:23 utc | 79
Many, many, many if not all. Dual citizenship should be forbidden everywhere. It gives more rights to those, which is against human rights which promotes equality between all human beings.
There are 4000 French soldiers fighting for Zionistan.
One family flew to Paris soon after 7 October, took a cab, and was met by the driver with harsh words with a death threat. The family complain to the police, but later refused to go to court, fearing repraisal. The driver is under enquiry by the cab company. He may loose his car plate. It looks like many cab drivers are of Arab origin.
Many thousands people with a double citizenship left... Some less occupiers.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 28 2023 23:23 utc | 94
If Russia wants to undo all the political love they are getting right now from all across the globe.
Then stop and don't take up to the dnieper river. Stop, don't take everything that meets the black sea. Stop, and don't take Odessa linking up with Transnistria.
That will certainly do it.
After all Germany has just undone all the goodwill they have received for the last 60 years in a heartbeat.The elites and businesses are a fickle friend.
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 28 2023 23:24 utc | 95
"Russia is about to encircle 60 to 70 thousand ukrainian troops in/around Adivka and about to take/have taken Marienka".
Posted by: Mr. Market | Dec 28 2023 22:52 utc | 82
108 ukronazis from Avdeevka were authorised to leave for one week holiday. A draw was organised. The some of loosers asked some of the winners to cede their place.
Everyone refused.
What happened?
The 108 who left were all killed. It means that the Russian army is controling the accesst to the place.
I already wonder what the western lying medias will invent to explain the fate of Avdeevka. Especially if several ten of thousands of ukronazis are trapped inside the cauldron. Those ukronazis which have no scruple to target civilians.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 28 2023 23:31 utc | 96
Why would USA go to war against Iran in the next 2 years.
1. Iran keeps advancing in military technology. If allowed to continue, it poses a threat to US interests (the ability to exploit any country at will).
2. USA and US military allies have a small window of opportunity to sell their petroleum products if Iran blocks middle east shipping. This window closes within a decade as climate change commitments close in.
3. Iran backed rebels pose a threat to USA and allies.
4. A war is already raging in Israel. No requirement to start a fresh war. The narrative is ready.
5. Iran advances in nuclear technology. Gone are the days when Israel could kill Iranian scientists in droves. War is the only option for USA.
6. A war with China in the next 5 years will consume most US conventional capabilities. This compels USA to neutralize Iran before that.
NATO believes that Ukraine war has depleted Russia's conventional capabilities. For good reasons. That's the perfect opportunity to target Iran as Russia is unable to save Iran.
The well orchestrated hostage drama in Israel is the perfect segway into war against Iran. Expect it soon.
Posted by: Jason | Dec 28 2023 23:36 utc | 97
Whatever Russia decides to do. We will all finally at last, after decades, understand what Putin means when he says right wing Conservatism.
We'll know, when he shows the world what winning looks like.
Then regardless of religion, skin colour, nationality, sex, your political ideology etc, etc. He will be judged by that outcome.
Is he serious ? Or will the ruling class and business win?
The scales of judgement are sitting there ready.
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 28 2023 23:45 utc | 98
Any comments on the RT post today "Israel pursuing similar goals to Russia – Lavrov "?
Posted by: spudski | Dec 28 2023 23:48 utc | 99
"Biden ADMITS Ukraine CANNOT Win War, Giving Up Territory"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxyHB5UaQE4
Posted by: Mr. Market | Dec 29 2023 0:00 utc | 100
The comments to this entry are closed.
The US media is still in denial, but is inching slowly toward reality..Despite all these planted stories, Putin will never accept anything short of total victory...and the Russian public is totally behind him.
Posted by: pyrrhus | Dec 28 2023 15:35 utc | 1