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December 30, 2023
Ukraine SitRep: Strikes On Ukrainian Weapon Production – Air Defense Lacking

Yesterday Russia has send swarms of missiles to strike Ukraine:

Russia fired more than 150 missiles and drones at Ukraine on Friday in one of the largest bombardments of the war, officials said, hitting schools, parks, homes, a hospital and other civilian infrastructure, and rupturing the relative calm of an otherwise quiet winter on the conflict’s static front lines.

The scale of the attack confirmed what many in Ukraine have feared for months — that Russia was conserving its missile stocks throughout the fall for massive strikes in the winter.

It were however not schools, parks, homes or hospitals that were the targets.

As Strana writes (machine translation):

Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny said that "critical infrastructure, industrial and military facilities were attacked."

Indeed, judging by many sources, this missile attack was directed primarily at military enterprises and warehouses. Or on other infrastructure. At the same time, unlike last year's massive strikes, the current attack did not focus on energy facilities.

The Economist confirms the targeting of weapon production facilities:

[A] source in Ukraine’s defence industry suggests Russia had predominantly targeted defence facilities. Some were connected to missile and drone production. “The attacks had strategic meaning for the enemy, with the aim of reducing our capacity to strike,” the source says. Both sides are locked in a competition to degrade the enemy. “It’s a battle to see who can destroy more of the enemy’s long-range weapons.”

This comes three days after the Ukrainian president Zelenski boosted about domestic Ukrainian weapon production:

Ukraine tripled its domestic production of equipment and weapons in 2023 compared to the year before, President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Dec. 27.

Amid rising uncertainty surrounding military aid from key partners like the U.S., Ukraine is looking to increase its own weapons production capacity.

Speaking at a meeting with Ukrainian defense industry workers, Zelensky said there has also been an "extremely significant" increase in domestic ammunition production, especially for artillery.

The production of drone ammunition is being "systematically expanded," Zelensky said. In 2024, "special attention will be paid to the production of explosives and gunpowder, which are in short supply in the world."

Zelenski is putting his hope on foreign cooperation:

According to Zelensky, Ukraine's defense complex will become further integrated with the international defense system. In 2023, Ukraine joined forces with German arms manufacturer Rheinmetall to repair Western-produced military vehicles and ultimately produce them domestically in Ukraine.

The joint Rheinmetall-Ukrainian Defense Industry enterprise was registered on Oct. 18. "The creation of a joint enterprise is, without exaggeration, a landmark event that takes cooperation between our countries to a qualitatively new level," Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal said.

Rheinmetall CEO Armin Papperger said on Dec. 2 that the company plans to build the first armored vehicles on-site in Ukraine in the summer of 2024.

Later in December, Ukrainian and U.S. officials signed a statement of intent on the co-production of weapons.

I do not know what Rheinmetall's CEO Papperger is smoking, but if he believes that his weapon production facility in Ukraine can survive more than a few weeks it must be some very strong stuff.

More Strana (machine translation):

Judging by the locations of the strike, the main targets were warehouses and military enterprises.

A Ukrainian specialist in electronic warfare and drones, Sergey Beskrestnov, recently stated on one of the YouTube channels that "Russia is actively tracking down our defense enterprises," and among their employees there are many informants of the Russian Federation.

"We, unfortunately, have a lot of traitors, pensioners (factory workers – Ed .) merge where, what, where is sent… A hangar with finished products was destroyed at one production enterprise, and very large damage was suffered. When they began to deal with the counter-measures, it turned out that my grandfather, who was the chief engineer there, for a ten – dollar bill (10 thousand – Ed .) reported when it was necessary to do this (strike)," said Beskrestnov.

"Hunting" for enterprises is a predictable strategy of the Russian Federation in light of the fact that Ukraine has announced its intentions to develop military production on its territory and increase the production of drones and ammunition, as well as the capacity to repair armored vehicles.

Those problems will occur again and again.

There is hope to get more air defense systems from other countries. However, their international availability is limited. The U.S. had to put strong pressure on Japan because it itself can not produce enough for Ukraine to survive:

Japan is set to announce that it will approve the sale of advanced air defense systems to the United States, a significant shift in its postwar policies restricting the export of weapons and military hardware, and a move that could help Washington support Ukraine in its fight against Russia.

Those systems, when delivered, will also get destroyed.

Just recently a complete Patriot system, which had previously taken down some Russian jets, was eliminated at the Kherson railway station. Russia also announced the elimination of an IRIS-T and other such shorter range systems provided by western countries:

Operational-Tactical and Missile Troops of the Russian Groups of Forces eliminated combat vehicles of air defence systems, namely, one Norwegian-made NASAMS, one German-made IRIS-T, one French-made Crotale-NG, one S-300 air defence system radar, and three U.S.-made AN/TPQ-50 counterbattery warfare radar stations.

There are not enough air defenses to cover each and every production facility in Ukraine and Russia can send a practically unlimited amount of missiles:

Therefore, it is likely that the Ukrainian command will try to cover important defense facilities with additional air defense systems as much as possible in the near future. Although here a big role will be played by the ability of the allies to supply them in the necessary volumes. As well as Russia's ability to further increase the intensity of strikes.

But what about those schools, parks, homes or hospitals that were hit and damaged?

They are simply collateral losses caused by Ukrainian air defenses:

Ihnat, the air force spokesman, said that it was unclear what exactly the Russians were targeting, as some missiles were intercepted by Ukrainian air defense, and damage was caused by falling fragments.

“When certain objects get hit, you can conclude that they were trying to aim for it,” Ihnat said. “But there are also things like debris.”

“If a flying rocket is hit, this is a large mass of metal, burning rocket fuel and so forth,” he said. “And the explosives can also still be undetonated. So when the debris of this rocket falls down, it can still have serious consequences on the ground. The work of air defense, even when it’s successful, can still have serious consequences.”

Air defense systems In Ukraine are just like all those other western super-weapons. Their alleged supremacy gets defeated by Russia before they are able to do any serious damage.

Comments

So… what’s it going to take for Russia to leave the lightweight “SMO” and actually declare “War”?
Guessing not bombing your nations Cities merits war status… apparently.
Could ya at least stop supplying LNG and gas? They’ve known for months Czech has been supplying weapons (as well as all the other EU et el nations they sell gas too).
Could ya at least expel “diplomats”? Close Embassies & Consuls?
You want to drag a Czech onto a UNSC as a participant of a “War Crime” when there’s no “War”? Terrorist act is about all ya got, and you’ll give the Czech gas for their production plants to make the weapons.
Whatevs… your citizens get shelled and bombed and you won’t even cut your LNG & gas supplies… I’ve no sympathy for you.
“Both the Czech Republic and Slovakia have now turned to Brussels with a request to maintain their volumes of Russian oil, because they really have no access to the sea, and there is way for them to receive oil from other sources,” Transneft President Nikolai Tokarev said in an interview with Rossiya-24.
“The Czechs have some [access to oil] from Trieste through another oil pipeline, but in general they simply cannot exist without our oil,” he said.
They told ya what they were going to do in October:
(Czech been one of the earliest & staunchest supporter since start of “SMO”) this is just one of many…
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/czech-republic-denmark-supply-tanks-fighting-vehicles-ukraine-czech-defence-2023-10-12/
“The Czech ministry detailed on Thursday that the first shipment would include nearly 50 infantry fighting vehicles and main battle tanks, 2,500 hand guns, 7,000 rifles, 500 light machine guns, 500 sniper rifles and equipment for electronic warfare and intelligence.
The supplies will include new and modernised equipment.
The ministry said last month the first shipment would include 15 modernised T-72EA main battle tanks.
Further shipments will include 500 heavy machine guns, 280 recoilless guns, 7,000 anti-tank weapons, 10,000 hand grenades, 60 mortars, and a large number of anti-drone systems.
The funding agreement is similar to a deal reached last year with the Netherlands and the United States. The ministry said last month about half of an expected 90 tanks under that agreement have already been delivered.”
They gave their factories running day & night…
On your LNG and oil…
Belograd deaths on you!

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 31 2023 1:17 utc | 201

An answer to all of the comments above.
“All wars are bankers wars”
It doesn’t take that much research or imagination to figure which bankers they are talking about.
And for those not familiar with M2 (money supply) history, M2 is negative for the first time since 1938.
As far as this little black duck can tell, ALL politicians (from east and west) are doing their best to address this in the only way they know how (deficit spending and doing what they’re told).

Posted by: Little Black Duck | Dec 31 2023 1:20 utc | 202

The Belgorod attacks were ordered by NATO, not just enabled by it.
The idea behind city attacks is at least partially to goad Russians into taking it out on ordinary Ukrainians, because ordinary Ukrainians are more and more becoming doubtful about their own so called leaders and the real reasons for this war,* and need to be terrified back into obedience. 
Russia is not so stupid as to put military installations in the middle of a city within easy artillery range of the nazi border. Nor, with a huge territory and excellent communication routes, does it need to do that. It is inconceivable that Ukranazistan and its NATO owners did not know it either,  so they were well aware that they were shelling civilians. There is zero chance of Russians turning against Putin because of these deaths – rather, they will rally to the flag more – so the only rational solution to the question of the reason behind the attacks is that it was meant to compel Russians to wreak vengeance on ordinary Ukrainians. 
*Ukrainian chats are not just full of gloom but some now speculate whether Russia is not coming to enslave them but actually to liberate them. This is dangerous thinking where NATO is concerned. 

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 31 2023 1:21 utc | 203

Knock out all the power infrastructure will shutdown even factories the Russians don’t know about.
So much for fighting with both hands tied to both legs and deliberately blinding one eye.

Posted by: Surferket | Dec 31 2023 1:21 utc | 204

Posted by: Milites | Dec 31 2023 1:08 utc | 199
Need spare change?
Same Movie
:” Colonel… that Coca-Cola machine. I want you to shoot the lock off it. There may be some change in there.”

Posted by: golddigger | Dec 31 2023 1:37 utc | 205

Posted by: golddigger | Dec 31 2023 1:37 utc | 207
‘But that’s private property’
Didn’t realise that the B-52 interior scenes were so realistic because they filmed inside one!
Posted by: bevin | Dec 31 2023 1:11 utc | 202
You remind me of the character Parsons, in 1984.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 31 2023 1:53 utc | 206

Is Israel stealing body parts from Gaza casualties?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDYdoB9wj5E

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Dec 31 2023 1:54 utc | 207

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Dec 31 2023 1:54 utc | 209
… opps … now posted on correct thread …

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Dec 31 2023 1:59 utc | 208

You may recall that during the siege of Mariupol in ‘22 the UAF posted many a plea for the calvary from their bunkers beneath the ruined iron and steel works complex. I remember one beleaguered officer, indicative of the prevailing mindset, expressing his earnest expectation that a massive D-Day style flotilla of Western war ships and troop carriers would soon fill the Sea of Azov and launch an amphibious assault to vanquish the Russians and liberate the city. Oh my how deceived they were. Watch the latest call by Arestovych for Slovak unity against the West begin to gain traction with Ukrainians.

Posted by: UBAH | Dec 31 2023 2:05 utc | 209

bevin | Dec 31 2023 1:11 utc | 202–
Intriguing! Crooke in his SCF essay employs the fundamental theme of The Iliad, “Trickery, Humiliation, Death – and the Timeless Hunger for ‘Honour and Glory’”, in dealing with the triple intersecting points of Ukraine, Gaza/Zionist Genocide, and the need for the elites behind Biden to salvage some vestige of honor from the many debacles. Certainly, further explanation of Crooke’s idea is needed by him, but there’s enough there to understand Russia’s resolve regarding Ukraine.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 31 2023 2:10 utc | 210

This can be evited. tell me why not carl?

Posted by: Hela | Dec 31 2023 2:21 utc | 211

Just in case any fool didn’t notice jewkraine and the west are a pack of murdering impotent crap stains. You are garbage and will perish like garbage. I hear elensky is already dead. you brought it on yourselves. So pray to moloch and the void for oblivion.

Posted by: nook | Dec 31 2023 2:25 utc | 212

Why Belgorov hava no AD enoutht?
After 100 over the city, gonna save you?
Please, call

Posted by: Hela | Dec 31 2023 2:32 utc | 213

ZH hasa posting up with the title
Russia Says Czech-Supplied Weapons Behind Attack On Belgorod Which Killed 18
the quote

President Putin was briefed earlier in the day, as the Russians are seeing in it a major attack coming from a desperate Ukrainian military which is now generally recognized to be losing the war. Ukrainian media sources indicated at least 70 drones and rockets were launched into Russia.
The Kremlin is now calling for an emergency meeting of the United Nations Security Council for later in the day Saturday, after condemning what it has described as a brazen terroristic attack targeting civilians.
“We have requested an UNSC meeting on Belgorod at 3:00 p.m. New York time (8:00 p.m. GMT) today, December 30. We also demanded that the Czech permanent representative be present to explain his country’s supplies of weapons, which are used to kill civilians,” Russian First Deputy Permanent Representative to the UN Dmitry Polyansky said.
Thus it appears the Russians are in possession of drone and missile debris pointing to weapons supplied by the West, and the Czech Republic in particular. Moscow is further threatening that the attack “will not go unpunished.”

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 31 2023 2:41 utc | 214

its eventual empire dwarved that of the United States

That’s a common misconception.
In reality the US-UK empire was always bigger even as directly controlled territory than the USSR.
The USSR was 22.5M km^2. Russia today is 17M.
US + Canada + Australia + UK + NZ is 28M km^2. And circa 1939 they also directly controlled the Philippines, the Indian subcontinent, half of Africa and a bunch of other places.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 31 2023 3:01 utc | 215

UBAH | Dec 31 2023 2:05 utc | 211
*** Watch the latest call by Arestovych for Slovak unity against the West begin to gain traction with Ukrainians.***
Arestovych was into some quite heavy pan-Slavic socio-political philosophy well before the “Euromaidan” stuff was inflicted. So he probably doesn’t need script writers … but will certainly be getting directions from — who and where?

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 31 2023 3:01 utc | 216

Although I understand what you’re saying I’m not a fan of what Russia did as preemptive strikes were also the excuse that Israel used in 1967 and Germany did against the Soviets. The preemption also gave the West a moral / ethical/ legal argument against Russia’s action.
Posted by: Moonie | Dec 30 2023 21:20 utc | 149

With nukes you can’t wait to be attacked to take kinetic action.
Also, as is often said, nukes are used every day without being fired. US nukes in Ukraine pointed at Moscow would be used every day, to keep Moscow in line. Can’t allow that.
Finally, this isn’t Romania or Poland, i.e. non-Russia territories. This is the US tearing off one of the most important pieces of historically Russian territory, and turning it against Russia. I know for most people the world began yesterday so when they see lines on the map, they think those were ordained by God and are immutable and separate people into totally distinct and having nothing to do with each other entities. But the reality is different

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 31 2023 3:06 utc | 217

RE: Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 31 2023 2:41 utc | 216
And?…
Czech has been running their weapons factories day & night since “SMO” churning out weapons, tanks, you name it.
All on Russian LNG & Oil. They’re still 98% dependent on Russian oil to survive.
Belograd on Russia… no sympathy here. It was Russia that stated Czech weapons. If so, Russias fault… they’ve been churning weapons out for 2 years.
Maybe they will finally “punish” Czech… like maybe halt LNG & Oil and kick out all dipos and shut Embassies & Consuls… that’d be something…
But… won’t hold my breath.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 31 2023 3:06 utc | 218

Somehow the western dollar amounts don’t seem to add up with the missile consumption any more.
How is UKR able to waste so much ammunition on what amounts to terror attacks against civilians?
With 1600 AD missiles fired in a night and lots of Czech and UK cruise missiles used, some of that stuff must have been given at symbolic prices.
How many patriot and IRIS-T systems and how many aircraft are left?
Does anyone know a good summary of western support and what may still be active?
Posted by: SOS | Dec 30 2023 20:20 utc | 130

Rumor has it that a quarter of Western AD was sent to Ukraine.
Also, Ukraine had an enormous amount of Soviet AD — we’re talking some 50 S-300 batteries and 300 TELs. Russia took out a lot of that, but it is physically impossible to take it all out if it’s not close to the front lines, especially when it has been operating “cold” with guidance from NATO and without having to run its own radars actively. They probably had tens of thousands of missiles for that.
Then there was talk about Greece, Bulgaria and other NATO countries that had S-300s sending them to Ukraine. Officially nobody has done it, but unofficially it might have already happened.
It will still be a long time from now that Ukraine truly runs out of AD assets.
P.S. Now imagine what Russia has or what the USSR had back in the days as resources…

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 31 2023 3:11 utc | 219

” Finally, this isn’t Romania or Poland, i.e. non-Russia territories. This is the US tearing off one of the most important pieces of historically Russian territory, and turning it against Russia. I know for most people the world began yesterday so when they see lines on the map, they think those were ordained by God and are immutable and separate people into totally distinct and having nothing to do with each other entities. But the reality is different
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 31 2023 3:06 utc | 219 ”
We’ll have to disagree on this one.
When it realized Ukraine was massing forces it should have let the Ukraine, UN, and any other relevant organization that if Ukraine attacks then Russia would release ” living hell ” upon them. Then, when that attack happened, its should of retaliated with the full force of its entire military. This would give it the moral and legal standing in the eyes of the world, most of the West excluded. Even China would have to take its side at that point, now because Russia attacked first, many countries took a neutral stance on the whole affair and here we are.

Posted by: Moonie | Dec 31 2023 3:22 utc | 220

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 30 2023 16:36 utc | 61

…I can tell you what the concern here is though — Ukraine isn’t completely powerless to strike back and Russian internal security is seriously compromised because nobody bothered to prepare properly for war (even after it started — where is the new SMERSH, FFS?). So some Russian elites will be targeted too in retaliation…

this is a typicall CISPO agent behaviour
already on 03.08.2023 he tried to sell the story about “secrets” with the Tornado-S
i gave him a hind where he can find infos from the MOD about smersh/tornado-s:
Posted by: ghiwen | Aug 4 2023 7:27 utc | 252

a quick search brings up 23 results for videos on eng.mil.ru/en/ from the Russian MOD on the Tornado-S issue.

of course there are no answers to facts from the CISPO agent
everyone can check it for themselves :
internet-search —-> “tornado-s site:https://eng.mil.ru/en
————————————————————————-
CISPO methods:
– Direct lies for the purpose of disinformation both of the domestic population and foreign societies;
– Concealing critically important information;
– Burying valuable information in a mass of information dross;
– Simplification, confirmation and repetition (inculcation);
– Terminological substitution: use of concepts and terms whose meaning is unclear or has undergone qualitative change, which makes it harder to form a true picture of events;
– Introducing taboos on specific forms of information or categories of news

Posted by: ghiwen | Dec 31 2023 3:23 utc | 221

“You remind me of the character Parsons, in 1984.” Milites@208
The only effect of these silly digs at my expense is to reveal yourself as a rather childish obsessive. You really can do better as your occasional posts on military matters, mostly standard Camberley table talk and none the worse for that, show.
The problem is that judgement is indivisible- a man cannot be wise in one area and an immature bully in another without showing that he is something in between of the kind we call mediocrities.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 31 2023 3:27 utc | 222

…I can tell you what the concern here is though — Ukraine isn’t completely powerless to strike back and Russian internal security is seriously compromised because nobody bothered to prepare properly for war (even after it started — where is the new SMERSH, FFS?). So some Russian elites will be targeted too in retaliation…

this is a typicall CISPO agent behaviour
already on 03.08.2023 he tried to sell the story about “secrets” with the Tornado-S
i gave him a hind where he can find infos from the MOD about smersh/tornado-s:
Posted by: ghiwen | Aug 4 2023 7:27 utc | 252

So I am indeed dealing with imbecilic know-nothings in their teens…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMERSH
SMH…

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 31 2023 3:36 utc | 223

Roger@173
What is missing here is the beginning; in the long process of urbanisation and mercantilism (in the broadest sense) which we look back on as enclosure. It was the dispossessing of the peasantry which began everything, it raised capital, it cheapened labour, it drove men to the fisheries and merchant marine, it recruited migrants, including pauperised ‘vagrants’ for the colonies. Finally it provided tens of thousands of poor children for factory labour in the mills.
The whole process begins with the transfer of the national wealth of agricultural, forest and waste land from common ownership into private property the basis of capitalism.
Regarding your 176, you have the advantage on me. Amazon.com sells the book on kindle for $14.00 but only to US addresses. Amazon.ca, to its shame, charges $48.00 for the same kindle service. Which is the same price as the paperback.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 31 2023 3:43 utc | 224

Milites 208:
The scenes were shot on a set (there are photos of Kubrick sitting staring at the actors in the set cockpit). At that time the B 52 interior was classified so Kubrick and his set designers guessed what the interior might be like, and proceeded accordingly. Their effort turned out to be so realistic that the Amerikastani Air Force investigated how Kubrick managed to get a look inside a B 52.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 31 2023 4:10 utc | 225

by Oliver Krug | Dec 30 2023 16:38 utc | 63
I doubt that Putin wants anything short of a NATO defeat and a surrender.
Also, he is very aware that this SMO (so far) would be much harder and longer without Iran, China, North Korea and some African and Arabic states, too.
I doubt that he is selfish and possessive in ‘his’ victory. Taming the West requires a joint effort, that is clear. Also the war that is not the war is now a lot wider and deeply intertwined into the fabric of chaos and a long lost balanced order.
This SMO morphing into the declaration of War, bears the question war against who?
Ukraine only, European NATO, the USA explicitly, London only, England only, Bruxelles-Molenbeek or the Entire Combined West.
The Russian allies know that Russia would be needing support there to finish the job.
I have no doubt that many Russian aligned foreign experts and partners are gaining the knowledge and experience. Also many RF soldiers are now instructors abroad.
Ukraine is basically Russian led and bled, BRICS guided. A new style of a conflict where apparently everyone participates, who will and with what they can, but not giving everything at once.
Brasil, RSA, have pretty advanced military industry, but I haven’t seen Brazilian weaponry or South African one for that matter. Some South African vehicles with Chechens, but that is all.
Chinese all terrain small jeeps are showing up recently. But no visible military stuff. Surely there is a reason for it.
In any case, an amount of technological transfers and military cooperation is happening in real-time.
It is a logical step, to protect Belt & Road and Asia-West Asia routes one has to have a certain tech level first and an ability to quickly create industrial capacity on it, to sustain capable joint defense force.
I simply fail to see how the whole wild West can compete with it, regardless the old money, banking, energy and ore control/production etc.
Maybe only if Western Empire have some secret invincible super duper alien tech, never seen before.
So far, the very expensive Western tech sucked pretty bad, with probably some more shame to come along, real soon.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 31 2023 4:18 utc | 226

whirlX | Dec 31 2023 4:18 utc | 228–
As Crooke hints at between the lines of his latest linked upthread, Russia will exit this conflict with Honor, the West in Ignominy. That’s a reality no amount of flea-spinning will alter.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 31 2023 4:25 utc | 227

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 31 2023 3:36 utc | 225
Ha, this was a great blunder/mistake of mine!!!
of course SMERSH has nothing to do with smertsch
But that doesn’t change my assessment of you as a CISPO agent
nor does it change the issue about my post from Aug 4 2023 7:27 utc | 252

Posted by: ghiwen | Dec 31 2023 4:43 utc | 228

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 30 2023 16:32 utc | 57
Thank you, Norwegian. The reminder is of who they are, what they intend, in who they mindfully kill. And in contrast, the Russian targets. As Ukraine becomes, inevitably, Russia once again, we are warned not to be optimistic, but our prayers are for as soon as possible, dear God; as soon as possible. Let that land and its people rest and recover.
This is a different year ending from last. Courage, all. At the very least, we are closer than we were, in all the ways that count.
Thanks for this blog, b.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 31 2023 4:54 utc | 229

TASS
https://tass.com/politics/1728375
30 DEC, 18:42
“Russia surprised by muted UN reaction to Ukrainian strike on Belgorod — UN envoy”
UNITED NATIONS, December 31. /TASS/. Russia is surprised by the muted UN reaction to the recent Ukrainian strike on Belgorod, Russia’s envoy to the UN Vasily Nebenzya said.
“We are surprised by the silence of the secretary general [of the UN, Antonio Guterres] on this matter. Instead, all we have heard from the UN are inarticulate statements by the spokesman [Stephane Dujarric], who made a bland comment, saying that such attacks should be condemned,” he said a speech at a UN Security Council meeting that was convened by Russia in connection with the shelling.”
If Russia is actually “surprised”… they are truly stupider or more “naive” than any country having nuclear weapons ought to be.
If this was a PR stunt for the purpose of pointing out the obvious UN corruption, why not say just state you are surprised by the level of corruption (duplicity?) exhibited by the UN Secretariat.?
As much as I hate, pretty much everything West (lying, hubris, warmongering, the deceit, the terrorism, the bullying, the racism, the Holier than Thou… you get the picture)
I’m becoming just as disenfranchised with Russia’s political PR pandering and victimization cloak they constantly wear as well. FFS, just speak plainly.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 31 2023 5:29 utc | 230

@Slavyangrad –
I feel there is only one response for Ukraine’s attacks on Belgorod. Every boat leaving or approaching Odessa is given a warning to turn around immediately or else it will be a target of war. Those who refuse to listen should be targeted with an anti-ship missile and sunk. While the number of ships is few, and the volumes that Ukraine are less than under the grain deal I think one is too many. Ukraine and its Western allies only understand the stick.
This is a war of attrition and you win by crushing your opponents resources. The only carrot they should be given is one stuffed up their behinds.

Posted by: MiniMO | Dec 31 2023 6:16 utc | 231

Rumours circulating that the Russian Security Council is considering, for the first time since the beginning of the SMO, to declare all of the members of the current Kiev regime as a terrorist organization.
Hard to say if this will become reality but it’s indeed an option under evaluation.
https://t.me/EurasianChoice/32905

Posted by: MiniMO | Dec 31 2023 6:17 utc | 232

More from Russian Telegram:
A group of nationalists from the Lvov region was liquidated near Artemovsk. Among those killed were the captain of the 30th brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Orest Rys, and the head of the regional cell of the All-Ukrainian Association “Freedom” (recognized as extremist and banned in Russia), Igor Ivanyuk.
Ivanyuk was a close associate of the nationalist Oleg Tyagnibok, one of the leaders of the Maidan.

Posted by: MiniMO | Dec 31 2023 6:19 utc | 233

At these moments, Russian missile forces are wiping out enemy firing points in Volchansk, Kharkov region.
It was from this area that the terrorist shelling of Belgorod took place.
Also under massive fire from our army is the Kupyansky district.
Posted by: Belgorod | Dec 30 2023 18:23 utc | 98

The question is why Russia didn’t take these areas out a year ago when Ukraine was shelling Belgorod? If they had the means to stop it they should have done it.

Posted by: MiniMO | Dec 31 2023 6:27 utc | 234

karlof1 @ | Dec 31 2023 2:10 utc | 212
Thanks as always for the link to Crooke’s Iliad comparison:

…Today, we might refer to it as one’s ‘legacy’. In the Iliad it is definitional and gives mortal leaders the chance to live on after death with honour and glory. For Team Biden, Ukraine was supposed to be their Troy. Russia, like Hector, was tricked into a fight and (and as Team Biden had hoped) is killed under Troy’s walls….

It fits nicely into my scenario of The Republic, since there Socrates has a harsh indictment of Homer’s depictions of the gods which both Troy and the Greeks have in common. I would liken western manipulations to the fickle choices being made by Homer’s gods — war has that horror to it, and there’s no escaping it in the Iliad. I’d liken Biden to a homeric god rather than one of the players — “let’s you and him fight”, being the mantra. In his own myth that concludes The Republic, Socrates rewrites Achilles’ fate – I’m not there yet, but already nearly halfway through my delight is that Xi and Putin much resemble Plato’s descriptions of who and how philosopher/kings come about in the city in speech which he also finds not to currently exist in the Greece of his day, but strongly argues is not an impossible dream. I’ll add a bit more on that tomorrow.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 31 2023 6:41 utc | 235

Teardown of two Russian missile sensors.
Optical sensor from 9M727 Iskander missile, 3-axis Fiber Optic Gyroscope (probably from Tornado MLRS).
https://youtu.be/Ac2ioGwfsbI

Posted by: too scents | Dec 31 2023 7:21 utc | 236

„Moscow is further threatening that the attack “will not go unpunished.”
Hahaha good joke! 😁👍
After thousands of „red lines“ who the f***
is going to take threats from kremlin traitors seriouse?
Chessmaster and his braindead bootlickers team re the most ridiculous clowns in history

Posted by: SlowSoft | Dec 31 2023 7:46 utc | 237

The UN should be closed down and reconfigured after the current geopolitical (Not Quite) War is settled. If it goes one way (Israel-BIS joins the Multipolarists) Jerusalem can be the new UN HQ; otherwise, maybe Samarkand, Lhasa or New Delhi. New York’s days as an international hub are numbered…
Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 30 2023 17:07 utc | 73

No offense to the nice folks in Iceland, but I’d like to nominate Iceland as the next home the UN: the natural sulfurous aroma would be a constant reminder to the Diplomats whither their machinations will ultimately take them… and we can always hope the ground splits open to swallow the whole sordid mess. /s

Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 31 2023 8:02 utc | 238

by karlof1 | Dec 31 2023 4:25 utc | 229
..Crooke hints at between the lines of his latest linked upthread, Russia will exit this conflict with Honor, the West in Ignominy.
Thank you for pointing out comrade Crooke. He is a good man and usually correct.
Russia started to participate in this conflict in an honest way, with lots of good quality diplomacy, and had honored every decision it signed. It was some faith in the process, turned to be naive expectation and a great disappointment. So yes all very honorable and honest.
It also came with SMO design, as a new way of waging the conflicts, suppressing NATO deep and wide while developing fluent strategy around the preset goals. It all is rooted in non-existent, but famous Gerasimov doctrine. Pacify, while disarming and destroying military supplies. The land is not as important as a priority is with demilitarization and disarmament tasks. Spare civilians and their infrastructure, but hunt for the enemy by all means.
I think that the West is not capable of exiting this conflict anymore, especially at will, as they would love to.
The Western Opprobriate has done so much bad things even more with Palestine lately, that it cannot get away with it with just the bloody nose and a huge bill.
Its general state of the mind has to be changed and that is the hard but doable task in motion already for 2+ years.
The times where the West can wage superior wars on unarmed or peaceful nations are over. Technology equalizes a power of an argument, while imagination wins it. So far, from the Western side I see very unimaginative moves. Russia, by inertia, is trying to protect maximum it can of its Western borders, not from migration or such, but from an implosion of the West from the inside that follows after Ukraine is done with, amongst the other things.
But, as it seems a US forward bases in Iraq and Syria might be on a permanent leave soon and the first to go, followed by many. If Russia, with Syrian allies, manages to dislodge the USA from Iraqi and Syrian territory than that would reinforce Iran’s confidence especially, as having good relations with others in a Gulf under the Chinese auspices, is not a bad thing.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 31 2023 8:04 utc | 239

@Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 31 2023 1:21 utc | 205

The idea behind city attacks is at least partially to goad Russians into taking it out on ordinary Ukrainians, because ordinary Ukrainians are more and more becoming doubtful about their own so called leaders and the real reasons for this war,* and need to be terrified back into obedience.

I agree with this explanation of motive.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 31 2023 8:14 utc | 240

Russia yet has to learn how to wage war.
Posted by: zorge | Dec 30 2023 20:40 utc | 138

Thank you for the guffaws! Please consider changing your handle to this (“Russia yet has to learn how to wage war.”). This will undoubtedly increase your credibility with the barflies.
/s 😀

Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 31 2023 8:33 utc | 241

@retroflecks | Dec 31 2023 8:02 utc | 240

No offense to the nice folks in Iceland, but I’d like to nominate Iceland as the next home the UN: the natural sulfurous aroma would be a constant reminder to the Diplomats whither their machinations will ultimately take them… and we can always hope the ground splits open to swallow the whole sordid mess. /s

Grindavik it is then. It may become a volcano any day now.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 31 2023 8:47 utc | 242

LightYearsFromHome @ Dec 31 2023 0:33 utc | 187

How about taking bets when the first Rheinmetall factory in Germany gets destroyed? I’m in for 10 bucks.

Unable to take that bet as no factories will ever be built. UKR corruption will eat up the allocated funds, then an empty shack will be declared arms factory only to be destroyed.

Posted by: SOS | Dec 31 2023 8:49 utc | 243

Look at Anglosaxons or Jews. Israel, USA or UK are like mad dogs…
The only way to fight them is to behave like them.
Posted by: zorge | Dec 30 2023 20:49 utc | 142

Please give an example of the term “lack of imagination” in one post or less…
You’re on quite the roll tonight!

Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 31 2023 8:52 utc | 244

shаdοwbanned @ Dec 31 2023 3:11 utc | 221

Rumor has it that a quarter of Western AD was sent to Ukraine.
Also, Ukraine had an enormous amount of Soviet AD — we’re talking some 50 S-300 batteries and 300 TELs. Russia took out a lot of that, but it is physically impossible to take it all out if it’s not close to the front lines, especially when it has been operating “cold” with guidance from NATO and without having to run its own radars actively. They probably had tens of thousands of missiles for that.
Then there was talk about Greece, Bulgaria and other NATO countries that had S-300s sending them to Ukraine. Officially nobody has done it, but unofficially it might have already happened.
It will still be a long time from now that Ukraine truly runs out of AD assets.

About a fourth would be interesting as that would mean all strategic reserves are depleted.
Just like Russia NATO can not expose the border. Not sure how many Patriot the US will need to cover their new shiny bases in Finland, guess Syria and Iraq might get priority. Also every Patriot system needs 90 trained soldiers, probably no mercs are trained on them. Taking out the radar probably takes out the trained crew as well unless the command center is in a separate vehicle. Makes you wonder when no more can be supplied.
These guys have a different take on S300, seems stocks were already running low long ago, also UKR S300 has older missiles than the russian ones:
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/ukraine-air-defence-s300-buk-expire
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/pentagon-ukraine-air-defence-likely-run
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/russia-just-destroyed-ukraine-s-air-defences-in-a-couple-of-hours-why-was-it-so-easy

indicating that the service’s ability to continue to fire two missiles at each incoming Russian projectile as is standard practice for many countries’ air defence units could be seriously undermined in future. Models of the S-300 Ukraine operates have been out of production for decades, while modern S-300 variants are produced solely in Russia. The BuK system, too, is produced only in more modern variants and only in Russia and Belarus.

300 TELs sound like a lot, probably each launcher comes with maybe 60-120 projectiles.
3600 shots isn’t much if you keep firing at Gerans, not to mention off-label MLRS use.
It’s also amazing how UKR is unable to defend against missiles from 1962, not a single one has been shot down yet:
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/kh22-strikes-impossible-air-defence-desperate

Posted by: SOS | Dec 31 2023 9:07 utc | 245

3600 -> 36.000 of course

Posted by: SOS | Dec 31 2023 9:08 utc | 246

@Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 31 2023 1:21 utc | 205
The idea behind city attacks is at least partially to goad Russians into taking it out on ordinary Ukrainians, because ordinary Ukrainians are more and more becoming doubtful about their own so called leaders and the real reasons for this war,* and need to be terrified back into obedience.
I agree with this explanation of motive.
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 31 2023 8:14 utc | 242
Wrong! Ukr/nato attacks on civilians started after Maidan and never stopped since. Cluster bombs fell in Donbas towns since the first cluster bomb was delivered but somehow all is forgotten, like Belgorod is the only place where it happens. Remember when it was invaded and there was no Russian army there and they couldn’t even find the attackers? They shot some missiles randomly on an empty field and that was it.
This is nothing new. Now, the useless ministry of defense (which isn’t defending anything) and general staff, have allowed attacks to be expanded from Donbass to Russian border regions and Crimea, occasionally Moscow or distant airports. I understand the smo is highly limited in resources, but inside Russia there is no army?
Also why would anyone think Russia will hit civilians, like Zeli and Bibi do, when they don’t hit the military targets which are easy to hit? All these, I suspect mostly fake “retaliatory” strikes, which are never verified and never produce any results, show there is a large list of military targets actually protected by Russia, never attacked. If there was a hotel full of natoids in Kharkov why it wasn’t hit before, not many hours after Belgorod attack? Was it already empty? I can’t really believe natoids killed children then went back to their hotel rooms to sleep. I’m starting to miss that guy last year who was saying Russia is always a step behind. He knew something.

Posted by: rk | Dec 31 2023 9:13 utc | 247

🔹 Минобороны России
Вчера ВСУ нанесли удар с использованием реактивных систем залпового огня по городу Белгород, в результате которого погибли мирные жители, в том числе дети.
В ответ на данный террористический акт Вооруженными Силами Российской Федерации поражены центры принятия решений и военные объекты в городе Харьков, использовавшиеся преступным киевским режимом.
Высокоточным ракетным ударом по бывшему гостиничному комплексу «Харьков Палас» уничтожены представители ГУР и ВСУ, принимавшие непосредственное участие в планировании и исполнении теракта в Белгороде.
Там же находились до двухсот иностранных наемников, которых планировалось привлечь к проведению террористических рейдов на приграничной с Украиной территории Российской Федерации.
Ударами высокоточных ракет по зданию службы безопасности Украины по Харьковской области и пункту временной дислокации националистического формирования «Правый сектор» ликвидированы представители руксостава СБУ, иностранные наемники и боевики подразделения «Кракен», непосредственно осуществлявшие подготовку диверсий на российской территории.
Также, высокоточными ударами поражен филиал национального центра управления космическими средствами в районе населенного пункта Залесцы Хмельницкой области, который используется ВСУ для ведения разведки. Уничтожены базы горючего в Харькове и Запорожье, с которых шло снабжение украинских группировок войск на Харьковском и Ореховском направлениях.
Кроме того, нанесены ракетные удары по пунктам временной дислокации подразделений 59-й мотопехотной, 79-й десантно-штурмовой бригад ВСУ и иностранных наемников общей численностью до 600 боевиков, а также местам стоянки военной техники и артиллерийских систем в населенных пунктах Селидово, Курахово и на территории шахты Коротченко в Донецкой Народной Республике.
В результате противник понес значительные потери. Уничтожены две пусковые установки реактивных систем залпового огня HIMARS с помощью которых киевский режим планировал в период новогодних праздников наносить ракетные удары по Донецку.
Еще раз подчеркиваем, что Вооруженные Силы России наносят удары только по военным объектам и непосредственно связанной с ними инфраструктуре.
🔹 Минобороны России
Yesterday, the Armed Forces of Ukraine launched a strike using multiple launch rocket systems on the city of Belgorod, as a result of which civilians, including children, were killed.
In response to this terrorist act, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation hit decision-making centers and military facilities in the city of Kharkiv, which were used by the criminal Kiev regime.
A high-precision missile strike on the former Kharkiv Palace hotel complex destroyed representatives of the Main Intelligence Directorate and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who were directly involved in the planning and execution of the terrorist attack in Belgorod.
There were also up to 200 foreign mercenaries, who were planned to be involved in terrorist raids on the territory of the Russian Federation bordering Ukraine.
High-precision missile strikes on the building of the Security Service of Ukraine in the Kharkiv region and the point of temporary deployment of the nationalist formation “Right Sector” eliminated representatives of the leadership of the SBU, foreign mercenaries and militants of the Kraken unit, who were directly preparing sabotage on Russian territory.
Also, high-precision strikes hit a branch of the National Center for the Control of Space Facilities in the area of the village of Zalestsi, Khmelnytsky region, which is used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine for reconnaissance. Fuel depots in Kharkiv and Zaporizhzhia, from which Ukrainian groups of troops were supplied in the Kharkiv and Orikhiv directions, were destroyed.
In addition, missile strikes were carried out on the points of temporary deployment of units of the 59th Motorized Infantry, 79th Air Assault Brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and foreign mercenaries with a total number of up to 600 militants, as well as parking places for military equipment and artillery systems in the settlements of Selidovo, Kurakhovo and on the territory of the Korotchenko mine in the Donetsk People’s Republic.
As a result, the enemy suffered significant losses. Two launchers of HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems, with the help of which the Kyiv regime planned to launch missile strikes on Donetsk during the New Year holidays, were destroyed.
We emphasize once again that the Russian Armed Forces strike only at military facilities and infrastructure directly related to them.
🔹 Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

Posted by: rumod said | Dec 31 2023 9:32 utc | 248

There were also up to 200 foreign mercenaries, who were planned to be involved in terrorist raids on the territory of the Russian Federation bordering Ukraine.
Posted by: rumod said | Dec 31 2023 9:32 utc | 250

I would imagine strikes on targets like the Kharkiv Palace occasionally destroy embedded informants.
Hell of a business when spies call artillery down on themselves.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 31 2023 9:42 utc | 249

Posted by: ghiwen | Dec 31 2023 3:23 utc | 223
Shadowbanned is the most sophisticated of the trolls here. He/she is knowledgeable and sometimes makes good points, and some barflies engage with him/her in serious discussion. The tell is that he/she always claims that every casualty is a result of Putin’s personal weakness and incompetence, as if it was possible to engage in war with a superpower without losses, as if Putin was an omnipresent God directing every bullet as, if shadowbanned could do better! LMAO ;-D

Posted by: Tim | Dec 31 2023 9:58 utc | 250

UK announces supply of hundreds of anti-aircraft missiles to Ukraine after massive Russian attack

The West is not going to stop. The West likes this cheap war.

Posted by: zorge | Dec 31 2023 10:01 utc | 251

New article from S
Mainly drones and EW (such that would exclude major advances short of some changes) and a salute to all Russians soldiers that fought with honor and courage (even if on the wrong side)
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/end-of-2023-roundup-update-on-the

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 31 2023 10:03 utc | 252


UK Assumes Command of NATO Rapid Response Force

NATO’s Very High Readiness Joint Task Force (VJTF) was created after Russia’s illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014 and deployed for the first time for the collective defence of the Alliance after Russia’s full-fledged invasion of Ukraine in 2022.
Taking leadership of the VJTF will see the UK provide the majority of forces in the task force. The United Kingdom’s Allied Rapid Reaction Corps will serve as the land component command.

The VJTF is the highest-readiness element of NATO’s larger Response Force (NRF), which also includes air, maritime and special operations forces. In 2024, VJTF land forces will comprise some 6,000 troops, with the UK’s 7th Light Mechanised Brigade Combat Team – the ‘Desert Rats’ – at its core.

continues ==> https://www.miragenews.com/uk-assumes-command-of-nato-rapid-response-force-1150136/

Posted by: too scents | Dec 31 2023 10:12 utc | 253

“What is the difference between Belgorod and Donetsk in the eyes of the Russian state then? Clearly there is such a difference…”
Posted by: shаdοwbanned
The difference is the (trivial) fact that Belgorod is recognized by NATO as Russian territory, while Donetsk is not… Meanwhile, NATO declares it is not at war with Russia… i.e., NATO declares it does not wage declared war against Russia…
Ahhh, the logic of it all… liar’s paradox, and all that. By the way, AI has been proved to be vulnerable to the liar’s paradox (the halting problem theorem, and it is almost 100 years old…)

Posted by: joaopft | Dec 31 2023 10:34 utc | 254

by too scents | Dec 31 2023 10:12 utc | 255
The VJTF is the highest-readiness element of NATO’s larger Response Force (NRF), which also includes air, maritime and special operations forces. In 2024, VJTF land forces will comprise some 6,000 troops, with the UK’s 7th Light Mechanised Brigade Combat Team – the ‘Desert Rats’ – at its core.
And they are going to do what in the case of widening the conflict? The best they and joined to them, in Romania once based famous 101 Airborne, can do is to help with the evacuation of their peer defeated army.
To deploy such “greenhorn” force in any scenario, as in direct confrontation, without any combat experience is beyond futile. Desert Rats at is core. Interesting, they think it is El Alamein once more or something like that.
They plan to have 6000 troops sometime in the future. Led by the British.
Sincerely, best of luck to them within 400 km range from the current and future Russian borders.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 31 2023 11:10 utc | 255

The view from inside the Matrix:
https://www.lastampa.it/esteri/2023/12/31/diretta/russia_ucraina_guerra_news_oggi-13964548/

Russia-Ukraine war, for the first time Kiev responds to Russian massacres of civilians and bombs the center of Belgorod: 24 dead and 110 wounded. Russia still devastates Kharkiv …

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 31 2023 11:20 utc | 256

Drone video of Ukranazi “barrier troops” murdering Ukrainian troops who retreated from Russian soldiers:
https://twitter.com/simpatico771/status/1741384695894393273?s=20

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 31 2023 11:34 utc | 257

Thanks for your admission. For my edification, did you attend US schools?
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 31 2023 0:49 utc | 196
No.
Thanks for the link and your comment.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 31 2023 11:45 utc | 258

“what’s it going to take for Russia to leave the lightweight “SMO” and actually declare “War”?”
That is obvious. When NATO formally enters the fray with a third state (perhaps Poland) rather than just throwing sucker punches from outside the ring and denying it like a bunch of lisping, limp-wristed fags emasculate geldings, then the big war is on. The Russians have every reason to keep things gentle with their retarded kid siblings in the Ukraine, so the conflict remains a slow SMO so long as it is confined to that territory. If NATO works up the courage to commit, then the gloves come off and Russia will use full fists rather than just lightly slapping, but those blows will be landing in the EU, not the Ukraine.
It is amazing how even after it being patiently explained many times, NAFO puppies still cannot grasp the nature of the conflict in the Ukraine. The Russians are trying to minimize the pain to the Ukraine. May the gods pity any other country that enters the fight (without the faggy fey and cowardly efforts to maintain deniability mentioned above).

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 31 2023 12:13 utc | 259

Rybar: Jaak Madison, a member of the European Parliament from Estonia, called for depriving Russia of the right of free passage in the Gulf of Finland, for which he appealed to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Finland with a request to consider the possibility of returning the maritime borders of the two countries to twelve miles.

Posted by: zorge | Dec 31 2023 12:21 utc | 260

Posted by: anonposter | Dec 31 2023 0:35 utc | 191
if you measure success by power, though they also got wealthy.
Here you are justifying all the crimes which allow one country to become wealthy.
Certainly they did better than the elite of India, Africa and the Muslim world who they mostly destroyed.
Here I conclude that you have no problem to destroy other countries and their people. Thanks for showing that democracy is a myth by acknowledging that the “debate” is among the elite and not with the people.
World has always been rule or be ruled, exploit or be exploited, and always will be.
Here you show the typical western nietzschean fascist ideology, the will to power. You are so full of this shit, that you are unable to think otherwise. It has to do with arrogance, complex of superiority and very low moral values, if any. Best current examples: the ukronazis and the judeonazis. Like Nietzsche wrote: kill the missfits, inversion of all values, use all the power you can, the only reality worth something is the elite, the herd must be happy to be treated like slaves.
It’s a forum for freely discussing current events
No, it is not free, some people are banned, censored.
which the host, b, thinks are being distorted by mainstream media to such an extent that the whole society goes insane and hence free discussion impossible outside forums like this.
Ahah, the society goes insane???! As if it was not always the case. What is it? Gullibility? Show me a period of time where the msm did not distort “thinks”?
Shall I propose? JFK, MLK, RFK, moon, 911… USS Liberty, Tonkin, Afghanistan, Lybia, Irak, Syria, Chechenya, etc.
Maybe you are not aware that colonisation with all the killings were done in the name of “civilisation” and “human values” and that other people were treated more like animals than humans. Such “thinks” are not “distortions”, of course!
You are so full of your shitty ideology about power that you cannot even see who considers the relations between people differently.
And of course when trolls distort the facts it is in the name of a free discussion forum. Hence this forum supposed to fight against distortions is accepting them.
This logic is unstoppable. Only the msm are “insane”.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 31 2023 12:32 utc | 261

An answer to all of the comments above.
“All wars are bankers wars”
It doesn’t take that much research or imagination to figure which bankers they are talking about.
And for those not familiar with M2 (money supply) history, M2 is negative for the first time since 1938.
As far as this little black duck can tell, ALL politicians (from east and west) are doing their best to address this in the only way they know how (deficit spending and doing what they’re told).
Posted by: Little Black Duck | Dec 31 2023 1:20 utc | 206
100% correct-and in 2024 the world will be at the peak of the Kondratieff wave which will decimate markets-both stock and bond markets.
Buy gold or silvr.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 31 2023 12:35 utc | 262

Only slightly related, yet amusing nonetheless.
RT headline today:
“Share of dollar in global reserves nosedives – IMF”
‘The US dollar’s share of global central bank reserves has continued to decrease, nosediving to 59.2% in the third quarter of 2023, according to the latest data released by the International Monetary Fund (IMF).’
https://www.rt.com/business/589896-us-dollar-losing-dominance-imf/
No links to IMF. So i did some due diligence… and found this:
“May 5, 2021
The share of US dollar reserves held by central banks fell to 59 percent—its lowest level in 25 years—during the fourth quarter of 2020, according to the IMF’s Currency Composition of Official Foreign Exchange Reserves (COFER) survey.”

https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2021/05/05/blog-us-dollar-share-of-global-foreign-exchange-reserves-drops-to-25-year-low
One wonders why it took them 2 & 1/2 years to report on it… or why they chose to dig up old data now… gotta control that narrative when you’re about to have $300 billion stolen and have few options to stop it?

Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 31 2023 12:40 utc | 263

Brutal trench warfare with Chechens! Not for sensitive eyes.
https://x.com/Chadyrov11/status/1741432642707267906?s=20

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 31 2023 12:41 utc | 264

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 31 2023 0:49 utc | 196
Freedoms…
Freedom to exploit
Freedom to loot
Freedom to kill
Freedom to genocide
How many crimes are committed in the name of freedom?…
The fundamental question is: share or grab, cooperate or exploit. Freedom is a myth.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 31 2023 12:42 utc | 265

Well quite a small hornets nest this fine Sunday new years.
Some excellent posts – thanks.
I do worry about the mental health of some identities – if they actually are a single person who actually believes the tosh they spew…
I do hope they are sock puppets / chatbot / script readers or something like that.
No single person ought to be that dementedly fixed on a single issue as if that is ALL they think about!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 31 2023 12:48 utc | 266

when you’re about to have $300 billion stolen and have few options to stop it?
Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 31 2023 12:40 utc | 267

The money was already stolen when they were “frozen”. The financial damage to Russia was done and recuperated a while ago. EU has even admitted they don’t have the full 300b amount anyway. The question now is whether EU is going to allow itself to be ordered to shoot its other kneecap off or not by turning its international banking radioactive to foreign capital. You may be looking too hard for narrative control that isn’t there.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 31 2023 12:51 utc | 267

“Given the urgent and unprecedentedly serious environmentally rooted problems..”
sted by: bevin | Dec 31 2023 1:11 utc | 204
Not unprecedented; you are incorrect. The earth was in a much worse place 12,000 years ago before ‘fossil fuels’ were used.
12,800 years ago during the Younger Dryas period (10,800 BC to 9,600 BC)(1)which made extinct major fauna and almost eliminated the human race. Current climate change, warming as the earth is coming out of an ice age is , on balance, good for the earth as more arable land is being made available.
Your emotional obsession that mankind’s activities is behind current ‘climate change’ is a ludicrous and anthropomorphic narcissism.
1. The Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis, controversial from the time it was presented in 2007, proposes that an asteroid or comet hit the Earth about 12,800 years ago causing a period of extreme cooling that contributed to extinctions of more than 35 species of megafauna including giant sloths, sabre-tooth cats, mastodons and mammoths. It also coincides with a serious decline in early human populations such as the Clovis culture and is believed to have caused massive wildfires that could have blocked sunlight, causing an “impact winter” near the end of the Pleistocene Epoch.
Extracting core samples
UofSC archaeologist Christopher Moore (second from right) and colleagues collect core samples from White Pond near Elgin, South Carolina, to look for evidence of an impact from an asteroid or comet that may have caused the extinction of large ice-age animals such as sabre-tooth cats and giant sloths and mastodons.
In a new study published this week in Scientific Reports, a publication of Nature, UofSC archaeologist Christopher Moore and 16 colleagues present further evidence of a cosmic impact based on research done at White Pond near Elgin, South Carolina. The study builds on similar findings of platinum spikes — an element associated with cosmic objects like asteroids or comets — in North America, Europe, western Asia and recently in Chile and South Africa.
“We continue to find evidence and expand geographically. There have been numerous papers that have come out in the past couple of years with similar data from other sites that almost universally support the notion that there was an extraterrestrial impact or comet airburst that caused the Younger Dryas climate event,” Moore says.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 31 2023 12:54 utc | 268

Posted by: Roger | Dec 30 2023 23:39 utc | 173
That’s some serious, ‘underpants stealing gnomes’ thinking there, old bean. So to summarise.
A. Perfidious Albion is dashed fortunate in having the Channel and coal
C. Perfidious Albion gets stinking rich by being a rotter and engaging in slavery and colonisation.
Ever thought about B. Old chap? The how you get from A to C, it might make you understand why this tiny island has had such an impact on the entire world, compared to most other nations.
Posted by: Milites | Dec 31 2023 0:37 utc | 192
The real TSN turning point for Perfidious Albion was Robert Clive’s victory at Plassey in 1757 in India.(1)The riches of India gave a boost to the City of London which cemented its power through Indian gold, textiles et al and , of course, the Brits used Indian Sepoys to fight in their colonies. It is estimated that from 1757 till 1948 when India received independence the Indian economy did not grow at all in 200 years due to Albion’s exploitation.
1. “The East India Corporation established the foundations for the British rule of India. At its height, it ruled a territory larger than Britain and was involved in global trade, politics, war and the transportation of slaves. The EIC began as a trading company; granted a trade monopoly by the English crown in 1600. It possessed its own private army, which it used to wage war to support its aim – to generate profits for its shareholders in London. The victory of Robert Clive at the Battle of Plassey, in 1757, enabled the EIC, the most ‘advanced capitalist organisation in the world’, to control Bengal, the wealthiest region in the world. Bengal’s wealth was on account of the gold and diamonds of its Mughal princes and the European demand for its textiles, which were of unrivalled beauty and delicacy.”
2.” Historians do not dispute that Robert Clive was a talented soldier and general. In 1757, William Pitt, the British Prime Minister, described him as a ‘heaven-born general’ in recognition of his military success at Plassey. Nor do historians dispute that Clive’s victories, against the Mughals, marked the beginning of British rule in India. However, historians differ in their view of Clive’s role in the Bengal famine and in their assessment of the EIC.
Historians William Dalrymple and Jon Wilson, in their recent accounts, argue that the Bengal famine was caused by exploitation, mismanagement and EIC greed under Clive’s leadership.Many historical accounts have disassociated Clive entirely from the famine and the deaths of between 10–20% of Bengal’s population, estimated at 10–20 million people. In sharp contrast, historians William Dalrymple and Jon Wilson, in their recent accounts, argue that the Bengal famine was caused by exploitation, mismanagement and EIC greed under Clive’s leadership. Assessing Clive’s contribution requires an understanding of the causes of famine.
Today, scholars agree that the extent of a famine and the number of people who starve to death is determined by human action. The Bengal famine started after crops failure in the EIC-ruled regions due to the failure of the monsoon in 1769, after only light rain the previous year. There had been bad harvests in 1737–8 without famine, indeed there had not been a similar event since the Mughal conquest of Bengal two hundred years earlier.
The severity of the famine can be attributed to Clive’s actions in the period before the drought. He ordered soldiers into the countryside to exact payment of the EIC’s exploitative taxes. He allowed EIC men to ruthlessly plunder villages and towns and did nothing to stop his staff destroying the businesses of Indian merchants for their own gain. In its drive to make money, as one EIC officer wrote on returning to England:
‘half the great cities of an opulent kingdom were rendered desolate; the most fertile fields in the world laid waste; and five millions of harmless and industrious people were either expelled or destroyed’ (in Dalrymple).
Contemporary Indian witnesses similarly described the rapid impoverishment of Bengal.”(3)
3. Source of 1 and 2: https://www.open.edu/openlearn/history-the-arts/history/hero-and-villain-robert-clive-the-east-india-company

Posted by: canuck | Dec 31 2023 13:07 utc | 269

Corrupt U.S. MSM
Just heard CNN go on a tear about ‘all of the civilian targets’ hit by Russia as opposed to Ukraine hitting ‘military targets’ in Belgorod. It’s so obvious that the U.S. MSM only tells stories and narratives.
The narrative:
1. Russia only hits civilian targets.
2. Ukraine only attacks military targets.
3. The IDF only hits military targets as refugee camps, apt buildings, and hospitals are ‘human shields for Hamas’.
Just stick to the script and expect nothing else.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Dec 31 2023 13:15 utc | 270

@ Posted by: boneless | Dec 31 2023 12:51 utc | 271
It is already widely reported that ±$200Bn of the $300Bn is in the EU:
“Currently, €210 billion ($230 billion) of Russia’s reserves are held in the [EU] bloc’s financial institutions, with €191 billion in Belgium, €19 billion in France, and €7.8 billion in non-member Switzerland.”
https://www.rt.com/business/589812-us-eu-g7-russia-frozen-assets/
To your point:
‘The money was already stolen when they were “frozen”. The financial damage to Russia was done and recuperated a while ago.’
The issue is not one of liquidity of Russia’s central bank, rather how these funds will be turned from inactive, (a mere nuisance) to actively being spent in the NATO war effort against Russia by arming Ukraine, just now that US and EU lawmakers were stalling and stocks were being depleted.
This may well have long term negative effect on Western financial hegemony, I agree, but the fact Russia is failing to deter this from happening will have real detrimental effects on its war in the short to medium term also.
So as far as narratives go, for all the sympathy one can have for Russia, they are not immune from ‘hurtus buttus’ syndrome either, meaning its loyal readers on RT need some TLC in the form of selective or bs reporting to counter what is happening, imho.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 31 2023 13:16 utc | 271

Well, for two days GPS is heavily jammed in the South-Western sector of NATO above Ukraine, above the whole Romanian and Bulgarian coast.
Also a Southern Black Sea civilian corridor is pushed for good 20 km almost above Turkish Black Sea coast.
AIS is not working properly on FR24 showing planes above Crimea when they are actually somewhere else, safe. To some it is RF’s powerful EW, to some a NATO protective posture. It is hard to tell, who is doing what. One thing is clear, a recent 3 military satellites add-on to a growing updated space assets fleet, already make an impact.
I doubt that RF would go hard on neighboring countries, but they might lose few local NATO airports and points of delivery/entry. Especially if NATO peeks and pokes with F-16 around.
What makes the West mad is Russian stoic progress without much pomp and glory. Just liberating and destroying everything military they can. Nothing can change their plans. It appears a bit autistic, but that rhythm works and brings the good results. Making NATO desperately crazy and on the needles is one of those results.
I expect that at some point SMO will go faster, but it might change into very fast war, with main 1 million RF forces in combat and additional 500.000 conscripts could join to guard and fill new liberated territories while experienced professional forces clear the way on. That is, I think, order of the things.
No war, not enough troops to guard fast progress.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 31 2023 13:21 utc | 272

The biggest challenge ahead for the West is a need to escalate both economically and (if possible) militarily.
The former is putting an increasing strain upon domestic budgets and the latter is much more political expensive. Both are still far easier to do for an imcreasingly confident Russia.
Therefore, the attack upon (clearly mostly) civillian targets in Belgorod is a sign of dire desperation, a wild swing at SOMETHING from the side of the West.
I can gleam increasing political concerns even here in Norway, where the government media is forced to now explain higher electricity prices by Russias “weaponization of energy” and the “war in Ukraine” as reasons for a rise in our electricity prices. Norway is interlinked with the EU energy apparatus and therefore also suffer despite being a major enerhy exporter.
Every escalatiin from Western governments now has painful political costs. There is no way AfD will not kerp rising as Germany doubles down in it’s submission to USA. Political will for a different direction remains strong in ALL Visegrad (Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, czech Republic) in different ways. Macron cannot hold on to power if he were to escalate further. Italy remains lukewarm, although basically follows EU doctrine. Lastly, thereis no need to mention how USA is being torn asunder akin to Spain in 1934.
All this remains the reason for Russia going steady, strong and slow. Essentially, Kremlin is forcing the West to choose between escalation or political domestic stability. Either choice leads to a further deterioration of the latter.
So every time a pinprick is chosen, it is merely a sign of clinging to the futile hope of color revolution in Moscow.
The West is not even a one-trick-pony anymore, because even their sole signature move appears entirely useless.
What happens in West-Europe and amerika is more of interest in this geopolitical struggle than what happens in Donbass even though the latter is only place of blood being shed- for now.
Political uprisings in the EU is way more likely than even in Ukraine at this point. Where will it haporn first?

Posted by: Et Norden | Dec 31 2023 13:22 utc | 273

Making NATO desperately crazy
Posted by: whirlX | Dec 31 2023 13:21 utc | 276

NATO’s news website is sad. Very, very sad ==> https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news.htm

Posted by: too scents | Dec 31 2023 13:27 utc | 274

So to business. Let’s start with the the discussIon on ‘empire’ which many have indulged here over the last day.
It is good to see that more are now beginning to expand their mental parameters of such historical developments in the affairs of humanity and civilisation. But it is easy to miss certain connections, the dots, that would provide the best description of the paths of history instead of making perilous leaps between some uncertain steps.
One which comes to mind is in the discussion about the British Empire.
Which in some minds seems to have only started with the ‘conquest’ of India!
Let’s be clear – there was no such conquest – it was mostly about deals between local rulers , call them the ‘raja’s’ by taking sides against their local rivals.
Most European sailing traders had such outposts throughout their trade routes.
Mostly though commercial ‘companies’ which were supranational , even pre national!
The Dutch and English East India companies may have been the first that were widely known. But there have been such Trading Houses along the old slave, silk, spice and trade routes going back a few thousand years. The Red Shielders being one such classic example ‘based’ supposedly in Europe but actually originated along that Old Route.
The neopolitan ones in the Adriatic. The traders of Baghdad , the traders of the Arabian Sea etc.
That said England as a ‘nation’ wasn’t born until a long while after the Normans of Europe invaded with their Belgian mercenaries after getting the nod from the Vatican in the C11th.
Wales , Wessex and Ireland were some of that French Norman Lords first imperial conquests of the England being formed. It preceded the English language, law in parliament is still enacted in Old French!
it preceded the Bank of England, which like most ‘National Banks’ created were PRIVATELY owned ; but what it didn’t quite precede was the Ancient City, that had been around since the Romans first sailed up the Thames to its highest tidal reaches!
Floating in on the tide up river is really the only way unless you have an engine!
There at Ludgate is the Coty of Londinium.
So stepping stone – the City of London / Corporation of London which houses the Bank of ‘England’. And all the trading houses and insurance brokers of Old. From where the worlds slave and spice , sugar, tobacco, coffee …trade came to be based.
It exists with its own rights and privileges. The Monarch has to ask permission to enter! The monarch serves at the pleasure of that City!!
It has a Position of someone called a Remembrancer – who seeems to be the highest public office of that City!
It was as powerful as the independent’ Vatican in Rome – which was not the same as the Italy that we know today! That only came into being in recent centuries – it has retained that Power and is still the spiritual centre of the worldwide network of Empires of the Bankers. Fully linked in with the ‘National Banks’ and Trading Houses and Exchanges of the World.
Except for the ones it has no control over – Russia and China and Iran, Syria and Venezuela and North Korea… a few which have always resisted becoming a mere spoke in the old wheel.
That is the cause of the perennial attempt at taking Russia and China and the whole of EurAsia. It is the reason for the split personalities of Christianity. It has caused to raise proxy armies to win these lands that kills tens of millions in each attempt. It thins the populations of its own Nations so they can not rise against the mad overlordship of the Old Masters.
Any discussion that attempts to consider the history of any Anglo European Empire and its immoral colonisations of the lands of natives around the World without inclusion of these fundamental financial drivers of each such imperial state, automatically fails to understand the parameters of the subject.
That’s what it’s always been about – coarsely put as ‘Follow the Money’.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 31 2023 13:33 utc | 275

@ 275
Yeah, but if the CW loses 300B (assuming there is that much frozen funds), or more due to this theft because of capital flight etc in the short term.
Then they haven’t gained anything and will lose more over time.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Dec 31 2023 13:52 utc | 276

Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 31 2023 13:16 utc | 275
There are also assets of Western companies in Russia that will be seized in response. I am not sure what those are but I think it may be stakes in oil&gas as well as other investments in physical stuff.
If that is true, and the Western companies have not written down those assets already, then seizing RF’s central bank assets from Euroclear will amount to effectively an involuntary transfer from Western companies to Ukraine. Plus of course the reputational damage to Euroclear.
There is also the question of IP. If you unilaterally seize a central bank’s assets, one may simply choose to ignore international IP agreements in response to compensate. Its not their style, but Russians can make pretty good copies of all kinds of Western merchandise and services.

Posted by: alek_a | Dec 31 2023 14:08 utc | 277

What following the trail reveals is that a few ‘Olympian’ masters set themselves up above the whole of humanity and the resources of the Earth to do with as they please. They have done this with varying success and scope over millennia.
THEY are the shapeshifters.
They consider most of humanity to be their slaves to be disposed of as they like.
They can never let enough of these slaves rise to usurp their Power.
They do this by raising some of the slaves up to be master of the rest of us slaves, mostly the psychopaths, who don’t mind killing their own for the Owners.
Why is China hated ? Because in 50 years they have RAISED their poorest to the higher standard every year in every aspect of human existence. They in turn are helping the rest of humanity to do the same.
The subcontinents Overlords don’t like that example – they want to keep the Old system!
They have succeeded for Millenia in keeping most of us slaves down or culling us to avoid ‘unnecessary mouths to feed’. Not because there isn’t enough food but because we have to be culled so WE will not demand the same security as enjoyed by the Old Owners our Masters.
Russia equally failed to play along – even when they were given the family of European monarchy grand wizards to lead them down the path. They were stood on stage in front of their curtains and invited to the European Court Ball.
The Romanovs balked at that trap and had to be exterminated. The Bolsheviks were created to do that. As the fake religions of Capitalism/Anti-capitalism was invented and perfected to take over from the dying superstition of traditional god othering that kept us slaves in our place.
Their monarch cousins across Europe could only watch in awe at the Power of those who they also serve! The ‘Dark Hand’ as even the aged QE2 admitted in her last years.
The culmination, the high water mark, is actually the establishment of the illegal Apartheid entity and this final attempt (please) to take EurAsia via the yet again proxy of the Ukrops.
To take their ancient lands which straddles the trade routes of the world.
Extermination is their final solution for those who stand against their Power or refuse to conduct a cull of their own peoples. If that is the only language they understand, then their extermination will be the only action that will stop this endless history of misery for the majority.
I expect the Chinese, Iranians, Russians along with the rising global south free peoples will deliver such a blow – directly into the palaces, islands, estates , bunkers and super yachts! The technology allows that – most of the populations wouldn’t even know of any such actions!!!
And voila humanity will finally be free to pursue its full potential.
Happy New Year barflies.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 31 2023 14:13 utc | 278

“We continue to find evidence and expand geographically. There have been numerous papers that have come out in the past couple of years with similar data from other sites that almost universally support the notion that there was an extraterrestrial impact or comet airburst that caused the Younger Dryas climate event,” Moore says.
Posted by: canuck | Dec 31 2023 12:54 utc | 27
Regardless of how I’d like to discuss the younger dryas onset (I’d personally go for a huma alternative to the impact theory) , and your other post on ascent of GB by taking indias resources , I think we might do it in the “non-non” thread.
Copy there if you agree

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 31 2023 14:18 utc | 279

by too scents | Dec 31 2023 13:27 utc | 278
Also sad is this NATO typical, not lying, but also not telling the entire truth, admission.

In 2023, NATO air forces across Europe scrambled well over 300 times to intercept Russian military aircraft approaching Alliance airspace, with most intercepts occurring over the Baltic Sea. NATO has standing air-policing missions that calls for Allied jets to scramble when there are signs of Russian military planes approaching Allied airspace in unpredictable ways.
Along NATO’s eastern flank, Russian military aircraft have a history of not transmitting a transponder code indicating their position and altitude, not filing a flight plan, or did communicating with air traffic controllers. The vast majority of aerial encounters between NATO and Russian jets were safe and professional. Breaches of NATO airspace by Russian military aircraft remained rare and generally of short duration.
“Russia’s war against Ukraine has created the most dangerous security situation in Europe in decades,” said acting NATO Spokesperson Dylan White. “NATO fighter jets are on duty around the clock, ready to scramble in case of suspicious or unannounced flights near the airspace of our Allies. Air policing is an important way in which NATO provides security for our Allies.”
In the wake of Russia’s war in Ukraine, NATO has substantially reinforced its air defences on its eastern flank, including with more fighter jets, surveillance flights and ground-based air defences. After repeated Russian strikes on Ukrainian infrastructure very close to NATO territory, Allies deployed extra fighter jets to Romania. In October, after subsea pipelines ruptured in the Baltic Sea, NATO sent additional capabilities to the region. This year, NATO also held its biggest ever air exercise, with over 250 aircraft training for the collective defence of the Alliance during “Air Defender 23”.

Vast majority of Russian military planes simply do not have transponders built in. Only some early SU-34, 35 and newer, followed by all dual use civilian and cargo planes belonging to military.
Obviously Russian aviation is poking a bit in the Allied airspace, too.
Sad place, the NATO in general, indeed is. Greatest mistake from Gorby and other Soviets negotiating, was not to ask NATO’s dismantlement, as there was no need for it anymore, since ‘Warsaw pact’ was not posing any danger anymore. They were too obedient to the West, back then.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 31 2023 14:26 utc | 280

by DunGroanin | Dec 31 2023 14:13 utc | 282
Very well put. But the main challenge remains: What if it is not about the money?
I think that a Hypnotoad must be boiled first.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 31 2023 14:48 utc | 281

Ukraine, ME, Africa…
Lots of theaters for operations, only so much industrial capacity in collective West for producing military hardware, let alone powder for ammo. If I were Vladimir Vladimirovich, how could I accomplish the goal of neutering NATO/G7, etc. for the least cost in Russian blood? I betcha Comrade Xi is pondering that question too. Along with Raisi and Modi, and anyone else looking to sideline the US.
We in the West only help these guys by doing the same stupid stuff over and over again.

Posted by: OldFart | Dec 31 2023 14:58 utc | 282

Whirl X 284: “Greatest mistake from Gorby and other Soviets negotiating, was not to ask NATO’s dismantlement…” – But the USA viewed the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union as its victory. It was an easy victory. History is full of examples of how easy victories lead first to wrong policies and then to great disasters.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 31 2023 15:19 utc | 283

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 31 2023 15:19 utc | 287
” how easy victories lead first to wrong policies and then to great disasters.”
Indeed. russias conquest of Crimea immediately comes to mind.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 31 2023 15:56 utc | 284

by Oliver Krug | Dec 31 2023 15:19 utc | 287
Indeed, The Western approach was: We won! and damals Soviets were more hippy in their views on the future of equal relations with the West. Then the plunder started and Russian rose glasses wore off gradually.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 31 2023 16:01 utc | 285

Kill ukrainian, american and german diplomatic staff stationned around in Yurop. Kill their children. Make them fall on their knees crying like there is no tomorrow.
Easy.

Posted by: Timur | Dec 31 2023 16:05 utc | 286

Posted by: Leuk | Dec 30 2023 22:44 utc | 160
I’d avoid North Sentinel Island. We’d only end up exterminating the locals with some introduced pathogen that they have zero immunity to.
I’d previously put up the idea of Socotra, but you’d have to get Isntreal and UAE out of there first…

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 1 2024 2:50 utc | 287

Posted by: canuck | Dec 31 2023 12:54 utc | 268
“…that contributed to extinctions of more than 35 species of megafauna…”
Ffs. There have been more mammalian extinctions than that in the past century, in Australia alone. We humans are an extinction level event for this planet.
With all due respect, “blah, blah, Younger Dryas, blah blah” is not a valid counter-argument against the scientifically established (as far as falsifiable science can be) fact of Anthropogenic impacts on the whole biosphere and climatic system.
Of course, the banksters and disaster capitalists will milk it for all it’s worth, but that doesn’t entail some grand scientific conspiracy.
One factor that attracts little mention is that the big RE companies like SwissRE, you know, the guys that insure the insurance companies, all started factoring in escalating insurance costs (losses) due to more chaotic climate conditions they anticipate back in the mid 2000’s. These parasites have some of the best modellers on Earth working for them, so it’s worth taking seriously when they make major policy changes.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 1 2024 15:48 utc | 288