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December 30, 2023
Ukraine SitRep: Strikes On Ukrainian Weapon Production – Air Defense Lacking

Yesterday Russia has send swarms of missiles to strike Ukraine:

Russia fired more than 150 missiles and drones at Ukraine on Friday in one of the largest bombardments of the war, officials said, hitting schools, parks, homes, a hospital and other civilian infrastructure, and rupturing the relative calm of an otherwise quiet winter on the conflict’s static front lines.

The scale of the attack confirmed what many in Ukraine have feared for months — that Russia was conserving its missile stocks throughout the fall for massive strikes in the winter.

It were however not schools, parks, homes or hospitals that were the targets.

As Strana writes (machine translation):

Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny said that "critical infrastructure, industrial and military facilities were attacked."

Indeed, judging by many sources, this missile attack was directed primarily at military enterprises and warehouses. Or on other infrastructure. At the same time, unlike last year's massive strikes, the current attack did not focus on energy facilities.

The Economist confirms the targeting of weapon production facilities:

[A] source in Ukraine’s defence industry suggests Russia had predominantly targeted defence facilities. Some were connected to missile and drone production. “The attacks had strategic meaning for the enemy, with the aim of reducing our capacity to strike,” the source says. Both sides are locked in a competition to degrade the enemy. “It’s a battle to see who can destroy more of the enemy’s long-range weapons.”

This comes three days after the Ukrainian president Zelenski boosted about domestic Ukrainian weapon production:

Ukraine tripled its domestic production of equipment and weapons in 2023 compared to the year before, President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Dec. 27.

Amid rising uncertainty surrounding military aid from key partners like the U.S., Ukraine is looking to increase its own weapons production capacity.

Speaking at a meeting with Ukrainian defense industry workers, Zelensky said there has also been an "extremely significant" increase in domestic ammunition production, especially for artillery.

The production of drone ammunition is being "systematically expanded," Zelensky said. In 2024, "special attention will be paid to the production of explosives and gunpowder, which are in short supply in the world."

Zelenski is putting his hope on foreign cooperation:

According to Zelensky, Ukraine's defense complex will become further integrated with the international defense system. In 2023, Ukraine joined forces with German arms manufacturer Rheinmetall to repair Western-produced military vehicles and ultimately produce them domestically in Ukraine.

The joint Rheinmetall-Ukrainian Defense Industry enterprise was registered on Oct. 18. "The creation of a joint enterprise is, without exaggeration, a landmark event that takes cooperation between our countries to a qualitatively new level," Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal said.

Rheinmetall CEO Armin Papperger said on Dec. 2 that the company plans to build the first armored vehicles on-site in Ukraine in the summer of 2024.

Later in December, Ukrainian and U.S. officials signed a statement of intent on the co-production of weapons.

I do not know what Rheinmetall's CEO Papperger is smoking, but if he believes that his weapon production facility in Ukraine can survive more than a few weeks it must be some very strong stuff.

More Strana (machine translation):

Judging by the locations of the strike, the main targets were warehouses and military enterprises.

A Ukrainian specialist in electronic warfare and drones, Sergey Beskrestnov, recently stated on one of the YouTube channels that "Russia is actively tracking down our defense enterprises," and among their employees there are many informants of the Russian Federation.

"We, unfortunately, have a lot of traitors, pensioners (factory workers – Ed .) merge where, what, where is sent… A hangar with finished products was destroyed at one production enterprise, and very large damage was suffered. When they began to deal with the counter-measures, it turned out that my grandfather, who was the chief engineer there, for a ten – dollar bill (10 thousand – Ed .) reported when it was necessary to do this (strike)," said Beskrestnov.

"Hunting" for enterprises is a predictable strategy of the Russian Federation in light of the fact that Ukraine has announced its intentions to develop military production on its territory and increase the production of drones and ammunition, as well as the capacity to repair armored vehicles.

Those problems will occur again and again.

There is hope to get more air defense systems from other countries. However, their international availability is limited. The U.S. had to put strong pressure on Japan because it itself can not produce enough for Ukraine to survive:

Japan is set to announce that it will approve the sale of advanced air defense systems to the United States, a significant shift in its postwar policies restricting the export of weapons and military hardware, and a move that could help Washington support Ukraine in its fight against Russia.

Those systems, when delivered, will also get destroyed.

Just recently a complete Patriot system, which had previously taken down some Russian jets, was eliminated at the Kherson railway station. Russia also announced the elimination of an IRIS-T and other such shorter range systems provided by western countries:

Operational-Tactical and Missile Troops of the Russian Groups of Forces eliminated combat vehicles of air defence systems, namely, one Norwegian-made NASAMS, one German-made IRIS-T, one French-made Crotale-NG, one S-300 air defence system radar, and three U.S.-made AN/TPQ-50 counterbattery warfare radar stations.

There are not enough air defenses to cover each and every production facility in Ukraine and Russia can send a practically unlimited amount of missiles:

Therefore, it is likely that the Ukrainian command will try to cover important defense facilities with additional air defense systems as much as possible in the near future. Although here a big role will be played by the ability of the allies to supply them in the necessary volumes. As well as Russia's ability to further increase the intensity of strikes.

But what about those schools, parks, homes or hospitals that were hit and damaged?

They are simply collateral losses caused by Ukrainian air defenses:

Ihnat, the air force spokesman, said that it was unclear what exactly the Russians were targeting, as some missiles were intercepted by Ukrainian air defense, and damage was caused by falling fragments.

“When certain objects get hit, you can conclude that they were trying to aim for it,” Ihnat said. “But there are also things like debris.”

“If a flying rocket is hit, this is a large mass of metal, burning rocket fuel and so forth,” he said. “And the explosives can also still be undetonated. So when the debris of this rocket falls down, it can still have serious consequences on the ground. The work of air defense, even when it’s successful, can still have serious consequences.”

Air defense systems In Ukraine are just like all those other western super-weapons. Their alleged supremacy gets defeated by Russia before they are able to do any serious damage.

Comments

” 1. Occasional attacks doing relatively little damage to infrastructure featuring casualties in the dozens not thousands serve to unite the Russian people around a popular, competent leader. They are a net plus.
Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 30 2023 18:13 utc | 94 ”
Werent ” Occasional attacks doing relatively little damage to infrastructure featuring casualties in the dozens ” the reason for the SMO in the first place ? By not stopping them completely Russia negates the main reason for the conflict.

Posted by: Moonie | Dec 30 2023 18:29 utc | 101

Once you are in the hole you dug for yourself good and deep, expecting someone to hand you a nice long ladder, you start to realize after some time passes that the ladder is not coming and you have to try to climb out of the hole by yourself, with no water or food supplies. That is where Ukraine is, waiting for the Grim Reaper to arrive. There is no way out, except for those few the West will allow to escape.

Posted by: JustTruth | Dec 30 2023 18:29 utc | 102

I know it’s all over X & was posted in yesterday’s Ukraine thread but in case anyone has missed it, the footage of a conscripted Ukrainian soldier with what appears to be Down’s Syndrome (or a similar genetic disorder) being bullied by his ‘comrades’ is for me, the defining image of the Kiev regime in its terminal stage:
Ukranazistan sent a unarmed man with Downs’ Syndrome into the meat grinder.
https://t.me/inessas1992/5546
This is beyond evil.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 29 2023 18:19 utc | 25
While only the Kiev regime knows the reason for conscripting the mentally disabled, LightYearsFromHome suggested the footage could represent some kind of Eugenic culling though I’m more inclined to believe that conscription is simply a one way street & there are zero checks and balances on who is processed to the frontline.
I often see 3 and 4 letter abbreviations/acronyms that I’m unfamiliar with and am obliged to look them up. I have collected a list…
http://bit.ly/3GXu2iT
Posted by: Alchemist | Dec 30 2023 15:07 utc | 28
I saw you had LIHOP but not MIHOP on the list, the latter is of course ‘Made it happen on purpose’ – Those acronyms make me in turn nostalgic for those early-mid 2000s 9/11 forums – (Off-Topic) Those terms I think were created by Webster Tarpley to distinguish the two different explanations for what happened on the day. His book 9/11 Synthetic Terror remains one of the first & best accounts.
Sadly, he bought into Russiagate circa 2016 and since then he went off my radar.

Posted by: FakeBelieve | Dec 30 2023 18:30 utc | 103

More lunacy from the collective west here
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/1230/1424158-bicycle-award/

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Dec 30 2023 18:34 utc | 104

Additionally, why doesnt Russia file charges on Ukraine like South Africa did about Israel ?
Posted by: Moonie | Dec 30 2023 18:19 utc | 97

Charges issued to what institution? ICC? That would be a laugh. The only court that matters to Russia is the Russian one. There is no shortage work for the prosecution there. Bringing up Ukrainian crimes to UNSC does about as much as with Gaza, yet Russia still goes through the motions every time, like the adult in the room it is.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 30 2023 18:40 utc | 105

Dungroanin@1655
You’re on a roll today. Thanks

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 30 2023 18:41 utc | 106

There are many reasons for a war. This might be one.
” It seems the war in Ukraine is not only about territory, it is also about raw materials.
According to German parliamentarian Roderich Kiesewetter, Europe needs the lithium in the eastern border regions in Ukraine for the manufacture of electric cars. If Russia annexes these regions, Vladimir Putin will have a new economic trump card, he fears. ”
https://expose-news.com/2023/12/30/lithium-reserves-in-donbas-needed-for-electric-vehicles/

Posted by: Moonie | Dec 30 2023 18:43 utc | 107

” Charges issued to what institution? ICC? That would be a laugh. The only court that matters to Russia is the Russian one.
Posted by: boneless | Dec 30 2023 18:40 utc | 107 ”
Then why is everyone all giddy about what South Africa just did ?

Posted by: Moonie | Dec 30 2023 18:44 utc | 108

Then why is everyone all giddy about what South Africa just did ?
Posted by: Moonie | Dec 30 2023 18:44 utc | 111

Who is this “everyone” and how “giddy”, exactly? Generalizing for the purpose of making an argument leads to a pointless discussion.

Posted by: boneless | Dec 30 2023 18:50 utc | 109

shadowbanned@1751
Jerusalem as the UN H.Q. That site has long been the wet-dream of the Sanhedrin and their Bank$ters in City of London and Wall $treet particularly. That city would be fine under ONE condition: That the “Chosen” Agenda is totally defeated, the Izzys exiled to that huge chunk of land in Patagonia, allegedly purchased by one of the numerous filthy-rich Talmudists AND that Jerusalem amidst reconstructed Palestine would be generally declared as an independent city-state under the specific jurisdiction of ALL members collectively of the new international body.
Absolutely NO, NO, NO to centralization of power under the aforesaid entity. Centralization is the bane of contemporary political, economic and cultural reality. It is an egregious iteration of devolution…one in which the few can always rule over the many.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 30 2023 18:52 utc | 110

Maybe its my perception, but Russia seems to protest alot more about the strikes on its civilians then it does about the strikes on Palestinian civilians, when in fact both are equivalent war crimes.
Posted by: Moonie | Dec 30 2023 18:19 utc | 97
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I too am dismayed by Russia’s, shall we say, extremely measured response to Occupied Palestine’s crimes against humanity, but I do realize that Russia’a first responsibility is toward her own people.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 30 2023 18:57 utc | 111

Scorpion@1813
Yet another incisive speculation on your part. Thanks.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 30 2023 18:58 utc | 112

“it is likely that the Ukrainian command will try to cover important defense facilities with additional air defense systems as much as possible in the near future”
Thereby leaving their electrical transformers and railroad switching yards less defended? Russia hit Ukraine in the head, and they are covering up, time then to work the body. Without electricity factories don’t get built too quickly; portable generators are fine for a lot of what needs to happen, but obviously there are limitations in deploying huge numbers of them. And once built factories need reliable electricity, and for delicate work they need clean electricity, meaning they can’t afford to have it spiking, and suddenly going out.
Factories are most vulnerable before their roofs go up. Small bombs dropped inside the construction area where they are going up can significantly slow progress. And suicide drones that can cripple an APC can also cripple cement mixers, cranes, pay-loaders, bulldozers, backhoes, ten wheeled trucks, and tractor trailers.
Given that Ukraine’s economy isn’t robust, odds will always be pretty good that any construction in non-residential neighborhoods will be war related. And given that there’s a war on, and Ukraine is losing it, they don’t have time to be stealthy about constructing defense plants.
If Russia has enough missiles and drones to support their infantry making advances up and down the line of contact, and then a lot more of them to spare on top of that, then Ukraine is screwed to the wall, because Russia’s advantage in weapons production will only grow, and likely at an increasing rate.
On top of that, as Russian tanks start rolling hot this winter over frozen ground, with the Russian Air Force and drone forces, and missile forces, supporting that, the AFU is going to have a growing critical need for air defenses just behind the line of contact. If Kiev diverts air defenses to the front lines so as to ward off a disaster, Russia could hold back a bit with their assault, and divert their missile output towards making more massive attacks at the then less defended important targets in Ukraine.
Russia has forced on Ukraine an environment where there are no good options, and this is when appreciable progress by Russia starts becoming apparent to those sitting safely on the sidelines.
1864 was a good year for the Union Army, and one of growing desperation for the Confederates. Neither Britain or France was coming to their rescue, and their finances were worse than bleak. The industrial might of their foe kept growing and growing with no peak in sight, and only their nerve and resolve kept them in their fight. And then, inexorably, the new year came to be.
https://www.historynet.com/americas-civil-war-the-fall-of-richmond/

Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 30 2023 19:00 utc | 113

that there were enough production sites to warrant 150 missiles shows how the US is still institutionally deluded. as if what Ukraine primarily lacks is equipment instead of able bodies to man that equipment. as if what cannot be produced in adequate quantities within NATO countries can magically be accomplished in Ukraine. as if supply chain problems improve when closer to the war front. as if just throwing money at the problem wins wars. it boggles the mind.

Posted by: mastameta | Dec 30 2023 19:14 utc | 114

UK sending hundreds of air defence missiles to restock that military..Rishi announces..for british supplied air defence systems
not sure what sort…if can be adapted to be fired from airplanes F16 that seem to be arriving?????
Maybe someone can ascertain what uk gifted for what systems and how many of those remain,…whether will fit other’s sydtems??.

Posted by: Jo | Dec 30 2023 19:15 utc | 115

On top of that, as Russian tanks start rolling hot this winter over frozen ground, with the Russian Air Force and drone forces, and missile forces, supporting that, the AFU is going to have a growing critical need for air defenses just behind the line of contact. If Kiev diverts air defenses to the front lines so as to ward off a disaster, Russia could hold back a bit with their assault, and divert their missile output towards making more massive attacks at the then less defended important targets in Ukraine.
Russia has forced on Ukraine an environment where there are no good options, and this is when appreciable progress by Russia starts becoming apparent to those sitting safely on the sidelines.
Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 30 2023 19:00 utc | 116
Russia, on the other hand, has a lot of good options, including continuing the slow war of attrition as long as the west is able to keep Ukraine from simply collapsing and surrendering. In the context of the global resistance to American hegemony, this is a winning strategy. Speeding up victory in Ukraine is not, IMO, the best option. The continuance of this battle pins down western resources and depletes western power projection in other areas, while the sanctions war attrits the western economies very rapidly. At the same time, the conflict is demonstrating western weakness every day, and emboldening people all over the global south to join the Axis of Resistance in increasingly concrete terms.
At some point, the west will just abandon Ukraine, and become much more active elsewhere. That’s the thing to keep our eyes on.

Posted by: Honzo | Dec 30 2023 19:18 utc | 116

@ DunGroanin | Dec 30 2023 16:13 utc | 51 / 70
good commentary.. thank you..

Posted by: james | Dec 30 2023 19:21 utc | 117

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MoA is a valuable source of generally reasonable commentary on geopolitical events, both in the articles and the comments. But when the comment section gets too cluttered up with garbage, frustration with the waste of time often induces me to leave the thread entirely, which is too bad.
Thanks for considering this suggestion.

Posted by: Cratylus | Dec 30 2023 19:22 utc | 118

@ 102
No it was to prevent an Operation Storm type ethnic cleansing, liberate the Donbass and gain a landbridge to Crimea.
Along with de-fanging the Maidan regime and rendering Ukraine harmless.
Some of are complete the others are a matter of time.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Dec 30 2023 19:30 utc | 119

https://t.me/yurasumy/12227

Why is Russia appealing to the UN today and how is the shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine different from our strikes on Ukraine?
I’ll start with the second. In fact, they are fundamentally different.
Kyiv would very much like to accuse Russia of committing war crimes. There have already been several high-profile attempts to do this (for example, Bucha, Kramatorsk, Mariupol). But all this turned out to be a phony, because our shelling always has a clear military purpose, and if civilians were killed (and this also happens), then this usually happened for three reasons.
The first is the crooked work of the Ukrainian air defense (and all of Ukraine already knows about this).
The second is random passers-by (alas, this happens).
Third, our missiles sometimes do not arrive quite accurately and fall a little to the side (including as a result of the operation of electronic warfare).
But there is always a clear, legitimate military objective nearby that is understandable. And that’s why Kyiv doesn’t turn anywhere.
Today in the center of Belgorod THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE MILITARY TARGET EVEN AT THE FIRST APPROXIMATION. There was simply a shelling of a peaceful city from long-range MLRS with one obvious goal – the maximum number of deaths among civilians (and the fact that there were relatively few of them, we must thank our air defense, which shot down most of the missiles).
This is what distinguishes our strikes from those of the enemy, and this is why we are gathering the UN Security Council today and demanding the presence of the Czech Republic.
So that the leadership of the CZECH REPUBLIC and EVERYONE WHO helps the Armed Forces arm themselves knows that this is incl. and they are guilty of the crimes of the Kyiv regime.

Yeah, good summary. But.
Letting them know that they are guilty of crimes won’t make them stop.
There were numerous threats issued that if NATO equipment is used to strike pre-war Russian territory, the factories that produce it will be destroyed.
Well, now it happened and this is the time to do it.
Let’s see if the Tatra factories go up in smoke in the coming days. I am not holding my breath.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 30 2023 19:44 utc | 120

Dear Aristos:
That’s the point. People live in a dialectic: our hearts and the hearts of our peers.
But, since we do not recognize ourselves, we believe we are better than others: we believe that there is something in our existence that makes us better than others.
The reality, the evidence, however, is obtuse. We are, 99.9 of human beings, nabuconodorsorcitos, that is: emotional and slightly mental.
In the process of individuation (that is, conscious mentalization), the path to joining the anthill or hive is ahead because, after all, we are social beings.
It is not easy to renounce society and continue living in society.
There are multiple ways of understanding life: with others, without, in between. They are all legitimate.
The point: leave him vital space to continue learning. Don’t die knowing everything, leave space for your heart to find out where it comes from.
90s & 130s are near.

Posted by: Hela | Dec 30 2023 19:50 utc | 121

Posted by: Cratylus | Dec 30 2023 19:22 utc | 121
I agree.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 30 2023 19:52 utc | 122

Camus was against the independance of Algeria. He believed in justice but will defend his mother before justice.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 30 2023 19:53 utc | 123

Everyone is taking Rheinmetall statements too literally. Saying that the factories will be based in UA is just propaganda. The only logical option is to base factories on the Polish side of the border and then ship the completed vehicles over to the UA side. EZ

Posted by: ABOBA | Dec 30 2023 19:55 utc | 124

Camus was concerned by a single question: why we, humans, keep going.
Indeed, what he does ask is the final question: why the life is worth about?
What Sisifo has? Endless repetition. Meanwhile He can’t kill himself, and must be moving the same rock up and down, is it a hope for that hubris?

Posted by: Hela | Dec 30 2023 20:08 utc | 125

Hoarse Whispered @ 12:
Even before 2014, Ukraine was not lacking in incompetent, corrupt or greedy politicians tied in some way to the US State Department. After the country became independent in 1991, its leaders (president and prime minister) and their puppet masters either came from the Ukrainian diaspora in North America, had connections to the US State Department or were got-rich-quick energy billionaires who were in the right place in the old Soviet Ukrainian bureaucracy at the right time in the early 1990s.
Former Ukie President Viktor Yushchenko’s wife Kateryna (Kristina?) Chumachenko had been employed by the US State Department before marrying Yushchenko. Barflies can make of what her First Lady role enabled her to do, what they will.
Yushchenko and another former Ukie President (Kuchma, I think) also rehabilitated Stepan Bandera as a WW2 hero and patriot. This cannot have gone unnoticed by their foreign controllers in Washington, London and Brussels.
What makes the Maidan coup the watershed moment it was in recent Ukrainian history is that the coup eliminated once and for all the pretence that Ukraine was a pluralistic society in its culture and politics.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 30 2023 20:17 utc | 126

Somehow the western dollar amounts don’t seem to add up with the missile consumption any more.
How is UKR able to waste so much ammunition on what amounts to terror attacks against civilians?
With 1600 AD missiles fired in a night and lots of Czech and UK cruise missiles used, some of that stuff must have been given at symbolic prices.
How many patriot and IRIS-T systems and how many aircraft are left?
Does anyone know a good summary of western support and what may still be active?

Posted by: SOS | Dec 30 2023 20:20 utc | 127

A million thanks to B for keeping this page going & staying on top of it!
​”Calm is found in the light of Truth.” -The World Teacher
Apparently the two most trusted institutions in the west (the church & the state) are the most corrupt of all, with both standing on foundations created with a number of Big Lies. What can be done? Should the Roman Catholic Church get Class Action Law Suit for removing Origin’s teachings on Reincarnation & Karma fr the bible (553AD), for killing millions of women – ending wholesome, gender balanced leadership in the west, & for telling many Big Lies, that have kept Christians in the dark for ~1500+ years⁉

Posted by: Toby C | Dec 30 2023 20:21 utc | 128

Camus asks why, in this mess, this fucking Earth of pain and struggled life, we can obtain free awareness.
As The myth of Sisifo.
Camus knows pretty well that we are not gods, neither animals: the first philosophical question is why we do not cut our neck knowing that we are done.
Umamuno spoke about the no sense of a life that is prone to be cut by the mystery of the own life.
Nietsche spoke about the nihilism: we do not have to do any fucking thing if we are ants, because we are humans.
Meanwhile we do not understand that All of We Are An “I”, An Individual Spirit who must be aware of any fucking action over the others.

Posted by: Hela | Dec 30 2023 20:28 utc | 129

Posted by: Inkan | Dec 30 2023 18:40 utc | 108
Well, seeing as though you asked, the lunacy is the fact that 1. Blinken gave the award. 2. Nobody in their right mind would cycle in Ireland, incessant rain, daily hurricanes, terrible roads etc.., 3. Ukrainian refugees (mostly from untouched western parts) are economic refugees who are now getting free houses and social welfare payments and mostly all have cars. 4. The man who won the prize is an American, probably working for an ngo. 5. This is the main news in my country, a country that is on the verge
of large social unrest due to the total destruction of our society due to the uncontrollable mass influx of migrants from war torn countries which the state department of the US has caused and continues to cause.
Will I keep on going or do you want me to explain a bit more?

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Dec 30 2023 20:28 utc | 130

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 30 2023 17:19 utc | 77
In today’s Ukranazistan, Timoshenko, Poroshenko, Zaluzhny, and Arestovich are all already jockeying to replace Elensky. One wonders what they imagine they’ll inherit.

1. 10+ million in a numbered account in Monaco.
2. Complimentary chips for a long weekend’s fun and games.
3. (only for Timoshenko): World class hair stylist!

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 30 2023 20:33 utc | 131

If as Eoin Clancy suggests @ 36 that Stalin did read a certain German author – and I suspect Goethe, Karl Marx and Friedrich Nietzsche were not what our commenter had in mind – we can be sure all the Western academics, Geoffrey Roberts included, would have scoured over and over and over all the anecdotes on Stalin’s library for any mention of that author and his Meisterwerk, to confirm their preconceptions of Stalin as a sociopathic monster.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 30 2023 20:36 utc | 132

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 30 2023 17:22 utc | 79
Norwegian 76:
I suggest Mongolia or Kyrgyzstan.

Well, I was suggesting somewhere in the centre of the World Island. Also when later on Europe joins in, which it will one day, it will be sorta equidistant from East and West. The main thrust being a shift from the Maritime Powers dominance to Eurasian land mass dominance. As that becomes oppressive, maybe the Americas will be more of a ‘wild west’ in comparison filled with artists, burglars and other ne’er do wells (like myself)!

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 30 2023 20:37 utc | 133

Posted by: Cratylus | Dec 30 2023 19:22 utc | 121
>Thanks for considering this suggestion.
You’re welcome. I considered your suggestion and then I immediately rejected it as bad.
Ukraine is in the mess it is in now because of groupthink, silo thinking, echo chamber or whatever you want to call shutting down debate because some brains are too small to multiple points of points of view simultaneously without feeling distress. And shutting down debate is exactly what you want. shadowbanned is less of a troll than those long-winded magical money tree posters. He’s well read, and his arguments deserve the effort to refute them. It’s also sobering to think there may people in this world just as unhinged as shadowbanned who actually have power to do what he advocates.
Note that Russia has always been poorer and less powerful than it should have been, given its geographical advantages, because of lack of open debate there. UK historically punched well above the weight one would expect that small island to have because it did allow open debate. USA world leadership resulted because USA continued the UK tradition. USA and UK (and EU) decline in recent years is largely because open debate has been stifled. Stifled in exactly the way you want to stifle shadowbanned: namely, USA and UK and EU allow non-elite people to say anything, right up to calling themselves kangaroos in a human body, but the elite then ignore these non-elite, like you want us to ignore shadowbanned, so there actually is no debate.

Posted by: anonposter | Dec 30 2023 20:40 utc | 134

Russia is going to complain to UN Security Council about this terrorist attack. That poor move and sign of weakness is going to encourage The West to arm and attack Russia even more.
The West never complains, The West acts. The West respects only the availability to project brute and fatal force.
Russia yet has to learn how to wage war.

Posted by: zorge | Dec 30 2023 20:40 utc | 135

What is the difference between Belgorod and Donetsk in the eyes of the Russian state then? Clearly there is such a difference…
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 30 2023 16:46 utc | 66
Yes, the difference is that only Russians and barflies acknowledge the referendum results. The “democratic” US and its “western values” vassals, as well as its terrorized supplicants, do not. Russia knows this.
The UNSC, as well as the UN General Sec, are under the thumb of the US Empire, and the US knows where their children go to school.
Therefore, although Russia goes through the motions every time of calling a UNSC meeting when an atrocity is committed, the US and the UNSC will blow it off.
So Russia doesn’t bother when war crimes are committed in the Donbass, because they know the results, and don’t want to be seen as calling too many meetings.
Remember Samantha Power getting into Vitaly Churkin’s face, after he called a meeting on a Sat. night, after the USAF bombed Syria soldiers for two hours, in support of ISIS?
Apparently, her plans for the night were ruined, and she was really, really pissed. I hate to imagine what exact private atrocity she was going to commit, but I assume it involved children.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Dec 30 2023 20:41 utc | 136

Alchemist @ 28 — Thank you very much for your effort. You might want to add ROW, which has come into use some months ago; it means “Rest of the world.”

Posted by: Pundita | Dec 30 2023 20:44 utc | 137

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 30 2023 20:37 utc | 136
Fancy
No Way. No World Island. Observe: Wild lands, barbarians. No threshold, a no wall.. No State. 8,000 thousands humans when you and I are will be t(d)aoting? He, he!

Posted by: Hela | Dec 30 2023 20:45 utc | 138

Look at Anglosaxons or Jews. Israel, USA or UK are like mad dogs, never afraid, never stopping, no moral limitations, no empathy, no respect. Just brute force. Just bomb bomb bomb, just kill kill kill. Always fighting total war without thinking about civilians.
Ukraine has learned this.
The only way to fight them is to behave like them.

Posted by: zorge | Dec 30 2023 20:49 utc | 139

Posted by: Moonie | Dec 30 2023 18:29 utc | 102
” 1. Occasional attacks doing relatively little damage to infrastructure featuring casualties in the dozens not thousands serve to unite the Russian people around a popular, competent leader. They are a net plus. Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 30 2023 18:13 utc | 94
Werent ” Occasional attacks doing relatively little damage to infrastructure featuring casualties in the dozens ” the reason for the SMO in the first place?
1. Short Answer: NO!
2. Longer answer: there was a major build-up of forces potentially able to take and hold the City of Donetsk with therefore tens of thousands of human shields giving them a real shot at going after both the Sea of Asov and Crimea, not to mention being that much closer to Moscow missile-wise.
As to casualties, nearly all of the oft-cited 14,000 were in 2014-15, I believe, with only a couple of hundred a year thereafter up until early 2022. Now: a good question is ‘why did Putin allow the huge build-up of forces in Donetsk whose people had petitioned in 2014 to become part of Russia again’? I suspect because Russia wasn’t ready to defend properly either politically or industrially OR had not yet consolidated the alliances first with China and then with BRICS+. These things take time; but after the Israel-US barbarians’ post-9/11 slaughter in the Middle East, it became more urgent and more prudent to do so.
I suspect how this business in Israel-Palestine turns out is going to show us what way the world is headed for the next few generations…. Are the multipolarists going to defeat the Wicked Hegemon of the West, or is it just a Changing of the Guard and we will all become serfs in some unipolar universal digital Gaza? Time will tell.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 30 2023 20:56 utc | 140

Belgorod thats on you all the way Mr. SMO chessmaster!
U dyed your hands in the blood of innocent russian civilians.
Vlad U re the biggest loser in russian history!
U lost totally the credibility!
Whats next loser?
Another whining nothingburger speach????

Posted by: tesla | Dec 30 2023 20:59 utc | 141

@ anonposter | Dec 30 2023 20:40 utc | 137 who wrote

Note that Russia has always been poorer and less powerful than it should have been, given its geographical advantages, because of lack of open debate there. UK historically punched well above the weight one would expect that small island to have because it did allow open debate. USA world leadership resulted because USA continued the UK tradition. USA and UK (and EU) decline in recent years is largely because open debate has been stifled.

Perhaps you should put a private/public finance viewer on your history machine to get a more nuanced perspective than your open/closed debate paint brush.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 30 2023 21:03 utc | 142

“Who is this “everyone” and how “giddy”, exactly? Generalizing for the purpose of making an argument leads to a pointless discussion.
Posted by: boneless | Dec 30 2023 18:50 utc | 112 ”
You might have missed all the comments about how great it was for South Africa do to this when no one else would step up to the plate, but I doubt it. I think you just want to argue for argument’s sake.

Posted by: Moonie | Dec 30 2023 21:06 utc | 143

” Thanks for considering this suggestion.
Posted by: Cratylus | Dec 30 2023 19:22 utc | 121 ”
I dont consider shaddowbanned at troll, he / she just has a different take on the war then most here. Many other posters comment as much as him / her , if not more. Are they spamming also?

Posted by: Moonie | Dec 30 2023 21:09 utc | 144

” Well, I was suggesting somewhere in the centre of the World Island. Also when later on Europe joins in, which it will one day, it will be sorta equidistant from East and West. The main thrust being a shift from the Maritime Powers dominance to Eurasian land mass dominance. As that becomes oppressive, maybe the Americas will be more of a ‘wild west’ in comparison filled with artists, burglars and other ne’er do wells (like myself)!
Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 30 2023 20:37 utc | 136 ”
I propose Easter Island.

Posted by: Moonie | Dec 30 2023 21:11 utc | 145

” 2. Longer answer: there was a major build-up of forces potentially able to take and hold the City of Donetsk with therefore tens of thousands of human shields giving them a real shot at going after both the Sea of Asov and Crimea, not to mention being that much closer to Moscow missile-wise.
Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 30 2023 20:56 utc | 143 ”
Although I understand what you’re saying I’m not a fan of what Russia did as preemptive strikes were also the excuse that Israel used in 1967 and Germany did against the Soviets. The preemption also gave the West a moral / ethical/ legal argument against Russia’s action.

Posted by: Moonie | Dec 30 2023 21:20 utc | 146

Hela@1950
Initially, in your non-specified response to my postings, I began to conclude that you happen to be somewhat erudite. Reading further, a certain aura of confusion wafted into your statements. This realization commenced when you referred to the human heart as being part of a dialectical process. Not so at all. The heart-mind, with its nerve-connexions and inclusionary rather than polarized perspectives, is deeply connective with spirit and by nature is holistic. Within a holistic realm, the dialectical process between, let us say the left hemisphere of the brain and the right one, have highly differentiated functions, functions which are irrelevant to the workings of our hearts.
In your second and third paragraphs, certain splits become evident. In the second, you posit that humans are ever attempting to feel better than others. As for “nabucondorocitos”, I’m quite in the dark and with the unabridged OED not to hand, the 99% figure you cite would certainly be alien to be decipherable to that percentage of literate individuals.
Thus, I’m tempted to consider that instead of being a human expressing himself, you may well be the product of an AI compilation.
The possibility of advanced schizophrenia appears to be embedded within the non-comprehendible number-salad embedded within your final paragraph.
Please do attempt to explain yourself logically and clearly. That’s the prior copy-editor within speaking via this keyboard. Inculcation of confusion is contrapuntal to general understanding.
So please explain yourself. I await.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 30 2023 21:36 utc | 147

@FakeBelieve #105 re: “footage of a conscripted Ukrainian soldier with what appears to be Down’s Syndrome (or a similar genetic disorder) being bullied by his ‘comrades'”
This has been apparent in some of the very few videos I’ve seen. There was a particular clip (mid-summer?) showing the remote-controlled tank approaching a trench, night vision perspective. As the tank approaches, it is seen in the trench two figures in conflict, one more aggressive, beating the other. The scene is then erased by the flash, but it’s something that stuck with me. Already by mid-summer, morale so bad the civility has drained from the command structure.

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Dec 30 2023 21:38 utc | 148

Posted by: Moonie | Dec 30 2023 21:09 utc | 147
Of course Shadow and Zorge are trolls. They have two purpose – probably paid. Their objective is to stir Russians and pro Russians into taking the first appalling step to escalation so that Russia, not the USA will be blamed. Russia is supposed to get so angry that they finally use a nuke or some other major escalation. Their secondary objective is to undermine Putin and promote civil discord within Russia.
They are in fact like broken records, so much so that possibly they are indeed AI. Shadow says nothing new at all it is repeat, repeat etc. Zorge the same.
So far Russia has avoided the trap set for them. It must be very hard to control the angry Russians champing at the bit for escalation. Shadow and Z are trying to make it a little harder.

Posted by: watcher | Dec 30 2023 21:58 utc | 149

I wonder if any bookmakers are taking bets on when the first Rheinmetall factory in Ukraine will get destroyed.

Posted by: Rob | Dec 30 2023 21:58 utc | 150

” Of course Shadow and Zorge are trolls. They have two purpose – probably paid. Their objective is to stir Russians and pro Russians into taking the first appalling step to escalation so that Russia, not the USA will be blamed. Russia is supposed to get so angry that they finally use a nuke or some other major escalation. Their secondary objective is to undermine Putin and promote civil discord within Russia.
Posted by: watcher | Dec 30 2023 21:58 utc | 153 ”
I think you greatly overstate their influence.

Posted by: Moonier | Dec 30 2023 22:01 utc | 151

@144
Not only biggest loser but biggest TRAITOR in russian history!!!!!
I ve never seen a war where the enemy has such save open relaxed supplying infrastructure
Trucks & trains driving like on a traditional business route.
The untouchables!
Their deadly loadings arrives in Belgorod and other russian cities and kills innocent russians

Posted by: SlowSoft | Dec 30 2023 22:03 utc | 152

Rob 154: But Rheinmetall also produces Iris-T. If they just put enough of them around their beautiful production facility in Ukraine, nothing can happen…

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 30 2023 22:24 utc | 153

Posted by: Milites | Dec 30 2023 16:57 utc | 71
«Russia and China are in an alliance of convenience, both will help, but only up to a certain point.»
For the PRC actually it is not mere “convenience”, it is existential: if the RF gets regime-changed, the biggest buffer state that the PRC has on its land side become an USA vassal, and the new RF government will “invite” (like the ukrainian fascists did) the DOD and CIA to build a long chain of biolabs and bases right on the very long and hard to seal PRC northern and western borders from which the USA will fund, train and arm many brigades of “freedom fighters” inside the PRC.
«Russia does not want to be a vassal of China and is more than aware of her economic weakness compared to the People’s Republic»
The RF like everybody else has to deal with the options they have rather than those they wish they had.
«I’m wondering if the Belgorod attack was officially sanctioned, or are the fascist militias getting nervous about talks of peace-deals and want to exacerbate the situation.»
That would be the same strategy as HAMAS (and Likud too of course). But I guess it is just part of the usual “the ukrainian fascists are winning, just give them more money” story.

Posted by: Blissex | Dec 30 2023 22:25 utc | 154

Nothing at all
You are a pedantic old man not worth a fucking thin: blah, blah without nothing inside. What a verbiage!
I thought you were honest, but your ego is in his prime nothing: Aristo never learnt, he always tried to be a form worth of a substance.
Be safe.

Posted by: Hela | Dec 30 2023 22:27 utc | 155

Belgorod? If i rember it correct A.Kots show us, in a really sad video – May or Juni, A.P.Lapin there as big Zambano.
And if I rember it correct too is he one of the most favorite general from the somtime naive talkmaster. More and more favorites, from the talk master, are revealed as too small for the too high position.
R.A.Kadirow have a big problem with him too
(Kadirow is sure one of the most smartest in this show)

Posted by: theo | Dec 30 2023 22:27 utc | 156

Posted by: anonposter | Dec 30 2023 20:40 utc | 137
Yup, the reason why autocratic dictatorships always fail, and why, with a change of leadership in the US, the West will probably recover far faster than many posters would like. The problem with making any predictions is that the prognosticator often assesses the future situation as little changed from the present, just extrapolating the current trends. This thought rarely is historically accurate as events that are, either hard or impossible to predict, often drastically alter trajectories. Often, free thinking countries can exploit these events far faster than autocracies, often generating huge revenues for that country. Those getting their tap dancing shoes ready to perform on the West’s grave need to remember that somewhere in those countries there might be an inventor in their garage staring at a schematic that might transform the world.
Centralised economies tend toward innovation, free-market versions tend toward invention, by which I mean able to take a citizens idea and develop it to prototype and full scale manufacturing. While the West does not have a monopoly on inventiveness, it certainly exploits the resultant inventions far more effectively. The West is not dead, it’s systems have been under relentless assault for half a century or more, exploited by a class of people many mistakenly thought had been banished to haunting history books, but the tide is slowly turning. Russia will win in Ukraine, but it might be advised to avoid the hubristic mistakes the West made when it was the victor.
Posted by: Jo | Dec 30 2023 19:15 utc | 118
They’re the 21st Century version of the M-72 Chaparral SAM that used repurposed AIM-9 Sidewinder air to air missiles on a ground launcher; however, this time it’s the Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile (ASRAAM). They are supplying 200 missiles so barely enough to survive a few nights of drone and cruise missile attacks, also short ranged so they need to second-guess the Russian target planners.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 30 2023 22:31 utc | 157

Really?
Meanwhile you were writing about your bots?, I was drinking, and fucking and living.
Excuse me, but 2 or 3 years at the best: to be a bitch, has consequences.
You are not here to help, just to fill right in your last spook: good luck, old idiot.
Waiting you and your soul, dear one.

Posted by: Hela | Dec 30 2023 22:38 utc | 158

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 30 2023 18:13 utc | 94
«The whole world will soon be run by strong single-party states»
Julius Nyerere: “The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.”
Gore-Vidal: “There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party […] and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently […] and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties.”
«akin to the successful Chinese model.»
Actually the PRC is run by a multi-party coalition (including for example the Kuomintang), of which the CCP is “just” the leading member: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_front_(China)
But it is not the one-party nature that has been recently useful to the PRC, because the “leading” CCP has several different ideological groups much larger than most parties in other states, and fairly free internal elections, but some other factors:
* “Democratic centralism” where once the various quite different ideological groups have competed for the leadership, the losing groups will still largely support the leadership.
* “Collective leadership” where the top levels of power are collective and elected, and some top leaders belong to some of the top losing factions, so extreme policies are not easy to push through.
* Many of the top leadership are not lawyers or economists, but engineers, with a different mindset, and also they have their own power bases inside the party, so they are not under the control of wealthy “sponsors” so far.
It is sort of a change from the mandarinate system, where there is no single emperor or nobility, the mandarinate runs everything, but it is largely STEM based instead of largely literary/legal based like the mandarinates of past dynasties.
The result of all this is that the PRC government tends to be in recent decades determined but cautious, and this is reflected in its foreign policy as to Ukraine, Palestine and many other matters.

Posted by: Blissex | Dec 30 2023 22:41 utc | 159

I propose Easter Island.
Posted by: Moonie | Dec 30 2023 21:11 utc | 148

Better: North Sentinel.

Posted by: Leuk | Dec 30 2023 22:44 utc | 160

wagelaborer | Dec 30 2023 20:41 utc | 139–
On the war crimes issue, Russia has its own investigators and court dedicated to that issue with partial results announced weekly by Maria Zakharova in her Weekly Briefings. Since I’ve had to adopt choosing selections in my substack reports on her briefings, I chose to omit those announcements. Here’s what was announced this past Wednesday:

[Long list of similar crimes precedes this sentence] On the evening of December 24 this year, Horlivka was subjected to massive shelling. A local resident was killed, 10 people were injured, the Galaktika shopping center burned down, and a school and an art museum were damaged.
Unfortunately, the West continues to cynically turn a blind eye to these crimes committed by its Kiev wards or simply rejoice at how “they have successfully placed investments in the Kiev regime.” Russian law enforcement agencies are conducting a thorough investigation of all the circumstances of each of these cases in order to bring to justice the militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and their commanders involved in them, who gave the relevant criminal orders.
On the basis of evidence collected by the Investigative Committee of Russia [Link at original], the courts of the Russian Federation continue to sentence Ukrainian neo-Nazis who have committed grave crimes against civilians.
Last week, ten militants from the nationalist Azov regiment – M. Kuzmenko, A. Kachuevsky, B. Pechko, A. Mogilny, V. Sygys, N. Svyatoi, V. Logosha, Y. Bezmenov, M. Dubrov, I. Potapov – were sentenced to 20 to 25 years in prison for crimes against civilians in Mariupol in the spring of 2022.
In the spring of 2022, Ukrainian militants S. Benza, Y. Danilov and A. Kristofovich were sentenced to long terms of imprisonment for similar atrocities against the civilian population of the DPR.
Ukrainian neo-Nazi Dmitry Rashplya, who shot 16 civilians in Mariupol in the spring of 2022 while following the command’s criminal orders, has been sentenced to 22 years in prison.
Another Bandera follower, Yevgeny Poptsov, who, together with other militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, shelled residential areas in the DPR in the spring of 2022, was sentenced to 28 years in absentia.
On December 25, the Basmanny Court of Moscow [Link at original], at the request of the investigation, arrested in absentia the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, K. Budanov, accused of terrorism. He is charged with the preparation and commission of 104 crimes on the territory of Russia under the provisions of Article 205 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (terrorist act).
Work to investigate crimes committed by Ukrainian neo-Nazis will continue. None of them will escape punishment. [My Emphasis]

And so it’s been week after week, month after month. During a government meeting back in November 2021 when testimony and evidence was presented proving that Genocide was being waged on the people of Donbass to which Putin agreed and called it that, it was also decided that there was really no use in turning to Western institutions for justice as the entire situation was being deliberately ignored by the OSCE as the evidence presented proved. Yes, the motions would be gone through, but it was then said to expect nothing to be done as all were together in the plot against Russia, which was further proven when the admissions about the Minsk Agreements were made. It’s since been said that NATO at the instigation of its titular leader the Outlaw US Empire is waging a Hybrid War against Russia that was planned long ago and finally put into motion with the 2014 Ukraine Coup. All that’s been said over and again by Russian leaders and reported here by many more than myself.
Like Hitler, the top tier criminals are harder to get to and punish, some already being dead. The real question: Will Neocon spawn continue to be allowed into government to pursue their evil aims? Would a Hunter Biden try to finish what his dad helped begin? Nuland’s spawn? Bolton’s? etc. And what of those who use the Neocons as their tools? They need to be named and those names stated more often than their tools.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 30 2023 22:48 utc | 161

Posted by: anonposter | Dec 30 2023 20:40 utc | 137
Very seldom I had the opportunity to read such misconceptions and fallacies. UK is rich because it “allowed open debate”!? And not at all because it colonised India, Australia, New Zealand, several parts of Africa and North America. Sure. While colonising, UK massacred, genocided and looted those parts of the world.
What open debate occurred in UK? Should we colonise or not colonise? Should we commit massacres or not? Should we commit genocides or not? Should we loot or not?
Oh, there is a big debate in western countries about racism. It never hindered any of the criminal acts mentioned above. On the contrary.
Open debates in the western countries is “keep talking”, it is always the same people who decide. And no “open” debate can happen in a world of lies.
In France the power organises a “big debate” when it wants to kill any contestation.
Do you realise that when people discrediting time and again Russia are given a free hand here, some other people supporting Russia will be disgusted and may leave?
Many people are bringing here valuable information and analyses. Other are only provocative agents bringing their frustrations and emotions.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 30 2023 22:51 utc | 162

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 30 2023 22:48 utc | 163
Many thanks for your update!
I could only read quite a few court decisions from RPD.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 30 2023 22:55 utc | 163

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 30 2023 22:48 utc | 163
Nah, all will be free.
All the devils were doing whatever they want and were to the other life without be judged.
Wanna names?
Stop promoting what you will never do.

Posted by: Hela | Dec 30 2023 23:04 utc | 164

Naive | Dec 30 2023 22:51 utc | 164–
What was discussed were the best investment opportunities as the Hakluyts tried to sell shares in their plantation plan for North America prior to opening of other global opportunities. Who set the policy of Enclosure in motion and for what purpose? All those excess people driven off the land presented a threat to British elites @1600, so Fracis Bacon wrote a book called an Advertisement for Genocide to rid England of the rabble. An outcome that somewhat combined the two occurred along with African Slavery. Yes, Feudalism was brutal, which is why there was such a campaign during the 1800s to get rid of its rights and levers. Those benefiting from the Feudal arrangements fought back which is why we’re now in our global conflict in the fight against Feudalism reclothed as Neoliberalism that uses Neocons as tools of conflict.
Humanity is still trying to attain the Four Freedoms that were announced as WW2’s global aims, the main enemies now being several of the nations who once proclaimed those aims.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 30 2023 23:05 utc | 165

The life is not just. Never will be.
The humans are emotional, the heart is the key.
We must learn to process our fantasies and figments in order to be free: to the point when we are individuals, unique spirits, trying to make right with an other spirits: Individuals.
If not, I waiting for all of you.
I’m slow, but inexorable.

Posted by: Hela | Dec 30 2023 23:21 utc | 166

I am not Ukro troll. I only see that this adoration of Russian military power and Russian mind went to far. It is a hard work in front of Russia if it wants to win. Anything else then victory is a huge failure.
The main motivation of the western mind is greed, the second is fear.
If the West is not afraid of Russia it will try to destroy Russia with any means. The West could attack first with idea that Russia would be afraid, even to retaliate. This situation is described in the film “Fail safe” when US expert explains that Russians would surrender after first strike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXZF6DwKvCI

The President of the United States attempts to recall the bombers or shoot them down. Groeteschele is called on to advise the President. Though the military — including Black — warns the President that the Soviets will retaliate with everything they have, Groeteschele insists that the Soviets will surrender when Group 6 reaches Moscow.

Posted by: zorge | Dec 30 2023 23:25 utc | 167

@Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 30 2023 20:36 utc | 135
Everyone should read Losurdo’s book on Stalin, one of the very few honest pieces of historical work on the man and the historical context within which he had to operate.
Stalin: History and Critique of a Black Legend
Losurdo’s book on the realities of liberal philosophy is also excellent.

Posted by: Roger | Dec 30 2023 23:25 utc | 168

I see the bar has another flea.
On Russia’s attack, I’ve awaited one having this level of intensity as plenty of targets are known. A signal of sorts as to what was coming was made over the past week as Russia made smaller attacks to discover AD locations while hitting targets. I expect more to follow as that conforms with what I think Russia will do along the front once the battlefield’s properly shaped.
One of the sources I follow is Rybar, who has a section of his daily report devoted to all rear area shelling and other attacks, and they occur daily. That Ukraine would behave thusly was already known prior to the SMO’s start as that was one of its reasons for being launched–its behavior differs not one iota from that displayed by the Zionists in Gaza: They are both committing war crimes in a premeditated–policy–manner. And guess who their main consultant/Sugar Daddy is, the one who approves of it all and is just as complicit?
It’s always been difficult living in a nation controlled by Friendly Fascism having the oddity of allowing writing like the above to circulate. The powers-that-be allow it because to try and muffle it would cause more damage than the writing itself since it reaches so few people and doesn’t present any real threat. But at least it allows the writer to settle his/her conscious by expressing Truths that must be said.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 30 2023 23:26 utc | 169

Roger | Dec 30 2023 23:25 utc | 170
Losurdo’s Stalin is as you say an excellent book. As is the Liberalism book. I am looking for a copy of his book on Class Struggle.
I actually have three copies of the Stalin Book! Please don’t ask me why. It is now, as Roger points out, available on the internet.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 30 2023 23:33 utc | 170

@Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 30 2023 21:03 utc | 145
So nothing to do with the English channel acting as a protective barrier, the large deposits of coal within a small area, the colonial crushing of the Indian textile industry so that Britain’s could be successful, the access to the cheap US cotton, the massive theft of Indian wealth and FX to help fund British industry and Empire, the million-man Indian army at the use of the British while paid for by Indian tax payers, the resources available from the rest of the British Empire, the massive profits from the slave trade, opium trade and privateering? To name just a few factors. No, its all down to the British society being better, good old Eurocentric nonsense. Until Britain took out the Indian textile industry it had massive tariffs of over 100% to stop the Indians from destroying the British textile industry.
Russia is a land power (a major disadvantage compared to Britain and the US) that has had to fight opponents again and again (Mongols, Swedes, Poles, French, Germans, numerous large tribes) in wars that were devastating to the Russian heartland, the last time Britain was invaded was in 1066. Then a massive Cold War of containment launched by the West.
We are now seeing what happens to the Brits without their Empire to exploit and the ability to keep others down, a sad little island descending into third-tier global status as a US vassal. Russia is on the rise, allied with China and Iran. And once again the West launches a war against it to keep it down.

Posted by: Roger | Dec 30 2023 23:39 utc | 171

What a bunch of words that mean anything.
Are do you not tired of promoting yourself?
Are you able to speak with your words this Smo, situation?
You repeat words from a core different from you, and yo call me a bot?
yo will be telling all to the enemy, bitch.
You don’t care Russia, you care for your pulmones.

Posted by: Hela | Dec 30 2023 23:42 utc | 172

Posted by: Roger | Dec 30 2023 23:25 utc | 170
Domenico Losurdo: Il Rebelle Aristocratico, about Nietzsche and his Great Policy. First Hitler, now the neocons are trying to implement that very policy: unity of European countries and destruction of Russia.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 30 2023 23:42 utc | 173

@Posted by: bevin | Dec 30 2023 23:33 utc | 172
This one? https://www.amazon.com/Class-Struggle-Political-Philosophical-Marxisms/dp/1349706620/ref=sr_1_3?qid=1703979839&refinements=p_27%3ADomenico+Losurdo&s=books&sr=1-3&text=Domenico+Losurdo
Bought it, but haven’t read it yet, I have a long list of books that awaits me…

Posted by: Roger | Dec 30 2023 23:45 utc | 174

Wage Laborer @ 139:
No doubt Samantha Power was incensed that she couldn’t send any more nine-year-old boys into the same place where she and her chauffeur put a Cameroonian boy. For a time at least, flying from one woolly cloud to another while learning to play the harp at the same time was delayed for the Syrian children.
No such pleasure awaits Power when she arrived at the pearly gates.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 30 2023 23:55 utc | 175

Posted by: Roger | Dec 30 2023 23:39 utc | 173
Spot on!
It makes comment #137 looking ludicrous.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 30 2023 23:57 utc | 176

Roger @ 170:
Thanks for the recommendation.
I might just race over to Yalensis’s Awful Avalanche blog and let him know of the English-language translation of this book, if you haven’t done so already, so he no longer has to rely just on Grover Furr’s work whenever he has to defend Stalin’s policies against the usual Holodomor troll crowds.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 31 2023 0:01 utc | 177

to some that seems quiet upset about Russians and especially their president,
RMoD stated :”The Kiev regime, which committed this crime, is trying to divert attention from the defeats at the front, as well as to provoke us to such actions.
We would like to emphasise that the Russian Armed Forces are working only on military facilities and infrastructure directly related to them.
We will continue to act in this way. This war crime will not go unpunished.

Posted by: Belgorod | Dec 30 2023 15:18 utc | 31
It may seem derisory, weak, etc., but it is not.
to understand Russia’s attitude you need to consider several points, some of which you apparently have a problem with:
-Russia wants to avoid civilian casualties as far as possible (a comparison with Gaza is a good yardstick).
-as far as possible, it wants its actions to be governed by international law
-it fights, in Ukraine and elsewhere, those who do not or no longer respect these laws and rules (it didn’t want to, it’s the empire that’s attacking it, not the other way around).
-the Russian state is a responsible state that acts responsibly, mainly because it has not unlearned how to think, and it envisages a future for its people and for humanity as a whole
it therefore seeks to avoid an escalation that it knows would be fatal for humanity, because -unlike westerns- the Russians are aware of the permanent nuclear threat.
BR

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Dec 31 2023 0:06 utc | 178

Anonposter @ 137:
In case you hadn’t noticed, full voting rights and responsibilities in Britain were not extended to all men until 1911, and to all women until 1927. This means that for all of the period during which Britain became an empire, only the very wealthy or those with minimum levels (set high) of income and property could vote, and they elected people of their own kind to parliament.
Imagine what kind of “open debates” prevailed among British politicians then.
The country in effect was ruled by a limited oligarchy, not a democracy.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 31 2023 0:08 utc | 179

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 30 2023 23:05 utc | 167
Never heard about the 4 freedom you are mentioning…
In western countries, the power is economic and financial. The political “power” is a farce, a comedy, a show which will change nothing. Keep talking, they decide.
The western countries hate Russia and China because those two have a political power massively supported by their people.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 31 2023 0:09 utc | 180

The country in effect was ruled by a limited oligarchy, not a democracy.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 31 2023 0:08 utc | 181
And still is.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 31 2023 0:15 utc | 181

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Dec 31 2023 0:06 utc | 180
To summarise: Russia displays a quite moral attitude while the west is full of lies and hypocrisies. Supporting the Gaza genocide for instance.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 31 2023 0:18 utc | 182

Posted by: canuck | Dec 30 2023 13:46 utc | 9
Alternatively, Stalin seemed to embrace the Philosophy of W.C. Fields, who stated, “A man must have something to Believe In. I believe I’ll have another drink.”
I find it amazing to conclude that the size of Stalin’s Library can be a yardstick to measure how much Stalin actually read, since reading generally assumes you have time on your hands and are sober.

Posted by: kupkee | Dec 31 2023 0:31 utc | 183

@ karlof1 | Dec 30 2023 23:26 utc | 171

It’s always been difficult living in a nation controlled by Friendly Fascism having the oddity of allowing writing like the above to circulate. The powers-that-be allow it because to try and muffle it would cause more damage than the writing itself since it reaches so few people and doesn’t present any real threat. But at least it allows the writer to settle his/her conscious by expressing Truths that must be said.

“If I were to remain silent, I’d be guilty of complicity.”
За здоровье!

Posted by: majoab | Dec 31 2023 0:32 utc | 184

Rob @ 154

I wonder if any bookmakers are taking bets on when the first Rheinmetall factory in Ukraine will get destroyed.

How about taking bets when the first Rheinmetall factory in Germany gets destroyed? I’m in for 10 bucks.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 31 2023 0:33 utc | 185

Nietzsche was a child preoccupated by the social consequences of the the reduction of the procures of the individuation: he was individualistic to the core because he want to be someone else.
Zaratustra is the gay who is able to be alone, from apart of the emotional concepts of the humans. There is a social.
The Concept called belief for all. But, you, as an spirit, a human, can understand that you are aware of this structure: your mind, your spirit.
I do no want to make Yoga and enjoy with God ,hid whih hum

Posted by: Hala | Dec 31 2023 0:34 utc | 186

Posted by: Naive | Dec 30 2023 22:51 utc | 164
>What open debate occurred in UK? Should we colonise or not colonise? Should we commit massacres or not? Should we commit genocides or not? Should we loot or not?
Exactly. The elite debated these and other ideas for how to benefit themselves. And they succeeded magnificently, if you measure success by power, though they also got wealthy. Certainly they did better than the elite of India, Africa and the Muslim world who they mostly destroyed. Eventually some of this elite wealth trickled down to the masses. Even today, poor in UK continues to be better than poor in India, Africa and much of Muslim world. So they benefited the whole of UK. World has always been rule or be ruled, exploit or be exploited, and always will be. At best, there are enlightened and merciful versus backwards and merciless exploiters.
>Do you realise that when people discrediting time and again Russia are given a free hand here, some other people supporting Russia will be disgusted and may leave?
Plenty of echo chambers out there where your tender feelings won’t be hurt. This isn’t a pro-Russian patriotic forum. It’s a forum for freely discussing current events which the host, b, thinks are being distorted by mainstream media to such an extent that the whole society goes insane and hence free discussion impossible outside forums like this. First there was mass insanity about covid, then about this Ukraine war, then about the Israel Hamas war. Almost certainly there will a thread dedicated to Taiwan if war breaks out there. Maybe someday a dedicated thread about magical money tree, assuming that or its antithesis (gold standard) ever becomes a current issue. (MMT advocates don’t understand that we currently have MMT in operation, except it’s MMT to benefit the elite. The problem, in other words, is the existence of a predatory elite, not the absence of MMT. It would require an overthrow of the current predatory elite by reactionary idiots to replace current version of MMT with a true gold standard.)

Posted by: anonposter | Dec 31 2023 0:35 utc | 187

Posted by: Roger | Dec 30 2023 23:39 utc | 173
That’s some serious, ‘underpants stealing gnomes’ thinking there, old bean. So to summarise.
A. Perfidious Albion is dashed fortunate in having the Channel and coal
C. Perfidious Albion gets stinking rich by being a rotter and engaging in slavery and colonisation.
Ever thought about B. Old chap? The how you get from A to C, it might make you understand why this tiny island has had such an impact on the entire world, compared to most other nations.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 31 2023 0:37 utc | 188

shаdοwbanned | Dec 30 2023 16:46 utc | 66
*** What is the difference between Belgorod and Donetsk in the eyes of the Russian state then? Clearly there is such a difference…***
Noticed that too. It’s not the first time.
Not to mention all the years of Donbas Russians being attacked and murdered by the Kiev regime, before Moscow did anything much…
No longer trust zionist-appeaser Putin — even though he is a better President or PM than those of NATO countries — much more than would trust his chums at the WEF or WHO.

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 31 2023 0:41 utc | 189

Posted by: Naive | Dec 31 2023 0:18 utc | 184
Yup, they morally flattened Grozny and morally scattered butterfly mines in Afghanistan as well as morally booby trapping toys. I guess kidnapping, torturing and ransoming Chechen families was done in a highly moral way, as was the suppression of the ungrateful Hungarians and Czechs.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 31 2023 0:43 utc | 190

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 31 2023 0:08 utc | 181
>The country in effect was ruled by a limited oligarchy, not a democracy.
Is and always will be, not was.
Put a group of people in a room to discuss something important and within 1 minute the natural leaders emerge, along with the lieutenants/henchman, followers, plus those who don’t fit into any group. And then, unless a crisis where people can’t screw around, division into opposing factions led by the natural leaders. Oligarchy is inevitable, just the details differ.

Posted by: anonposter | Dec 31 2023 0:48 utc | 191

Naive | Dec 31 2023 0:09 utc | 182–
Thanks for your reply and admission. Here’s a link that will inform you, Four Freedoms. Note that the idea was generated in 1939, then incorporated into FDR’s speech having the same title in January 1941 well prior to US entry into the war. One example of their importance is this citation:
“The concept of the Four Freedoms became part of the personal mission undertaken by former First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt in 1948. She helped inspire the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights, General Assembly Resolution 217A. Indeed, these Four Freedoms were explicitly incorporated into the preamble to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which reads: ‘Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy the freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed the highest aspiration of the common people.'”
Thanks for your admission. For my edification, did you attend US schools?

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 31 2023 0:49 utc | 192

majoab | Dec 31 2023 0:32 utc | 186–
Thanks for your reply. And Happy New Year to you and yours!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 31 2023 0:51 utc | 193

Moonie | Dec 30 2023 18:43 utc | 110
*** According to German parliamentarian Roderich Kiesewetter, Europe needs the lithium in the eastern border regions in Ukraine for the manufacture of electric cars. If Russia annexes these regions, Vladimir Putin will have a new economic trump card, he fears. “***
But surely that could only be a short-term positive — aren’t safer batteries, not using lithium, being developed?

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 31 2023 0:57 utc | 194

Posted by: zorge | Dec 30 2023 23:25 utc | 169
Fail Safe? LOL! Beings we are off in Hollywood la la land.
I got one for ya.
What movie is this quote from?
” Do you realise that fluoridation – is the most monstrously-conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?”

Posted by: golddigger | Dec 31 2023 0:59 utc | 195

I saw a post somewhere – someone frustrated by chechs believing that all this is Putin’s fault.
Leads me to wonder: What causes people to believe as they do?
I discount explanations that they are retarded or delusional or dont have access to info. It has something to do with where they get info and how it is presented to them and who they trust and their life experience and what they believed a priori – much of what we believe going forward is rationalization of what we believed in the past. Understanding lies just outside my grasp.
I imagine that as I one day lay dying, it will all become clear to me just before I take my last breath (when I give up all preconceived notions and am fully receptive) and I will die with look of dismay or maybe bemusement.
I try to reason this though in conversations with my dog, but she remains skeptical.

Posted by: jared | Dec 31 2023 1:04 utc | 196

Posted by: golddigger | Dec 31 2023 0:59 utc | 197
I can’t answer that question as I don’t go into combat with loose change and I’m not a Commie prevert.

Posted by: Milites | Dec 31 2023 1:08 utc | 197

Russian knee-jerk reactions to Ukie attacks cost dearly to Russia. Ukies know very well that Russians retaliate after a Ukie attack and they are prepared to face it.
Instead Russia must preemptively and proactively bomb Ukraine on its own terms and timing. There is a war going on. There is no peace to disturb.
The reactive action of Russia can be traced to outdated Soviet doctrines or worse, Rocky Baloba! It’s time to shed them for surprise massive attacks on Ukraine’s military, industrial and energy infrastructure. That will force Ukraine to surrender.

Posted by: Jason | Dec 31 2023 1:09 utc | 198

I suggest the guest column at Larry Johnson’s by Helmholtz Smith, “THE WARSAW PACT – PROPAGANDA AND REALITY”, and also the comment by Robert Mathiesen, which is close to the top.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 31 2023 1:10 utc | 199

It was clear to shrewd observers in the first half of the C19th that a future clash between the two rapidly expanding empires racing towards the Pacific, from different starting points, was very likely.
Both Russia and the United States had significant advantages- the USA was virtually an island, like Britain, in strategic terms with no enemies within marching reach. This gave it enormous advantages, just as it had been a key factor in the UK’s rise to dominance.
Russia, on the other hand, faced many potential challengers from the west and from the Turks in Central Asia but its eventual empire dwarved that of the United States and, unlike the racist US, it was constantly strengthened by the inclusion within its society of other cultures, traditions and their human resources. In the USA all but European peoples were treated with contempt, as indeed were most of the immigrant blocs, including the Irish, Italians and slavs.
There was a famous occasion in London, just before the Civil war, in the Buchanan Presidency, when the US Consul invited emigre revolutionaries, including Alexander Herzen for a 4th of July party, towards the end of which the two men were drinking Bourbon together. The American, a southerner who’s name I have been trying to recall remarking that like himself, Herzen, being a Russian, enjoyed hard liquor (vodka) whilst most of their companions were wine or beer drinkers. Herzen replied that it was not the only thing the two countries had in common-forced labour (slavery and serfdom) being the other. The following decade saw the end of that- curiously the American democrat sided with slaveowners, while Russian democrats were abolitionists to a man. That peculiar distinction has never changed- Russia aspires to brotherhood, the US requires obedience.
There is, then, nothing new in either the rivalry with Russia or europe’s wars against it. What is new is a European system in which national sovereignties-the stuff of diplomacy-have dissolved into a continent wide submission to their conqueror the United States. And while this increases the manpower and resources available to Washington it removes Europe as a potential power bloc from any strategic equations. Europe, in its present form, is, as the Ukraine operation is revealing, a broken reed no more use than the Rumanian, Italian and French (and many other national) ‘volunteers’ in Barbarossa.
NATO once advertised as an alliance of nations with a common cause is now, quite clearly, an agglomeration of Wsshington’s vassals operating under the Pentagon’s command.
What those who, 200 years ago, prophesied a Russia vs America rivalry did not see was something always evident to anyone not blinded by racism which is that Russia’s ‘ace in the hole’ is its alliance with China and all those other nations in Eurasia. Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin, among other Bolsheviks, realised after 1917 that the future of the revolution lay in the hands of the toilers, not of the west, (who soon showed that they were not going, or even able, to rise up) but of the east among the victims of the colonisation which marked the British , French, Dutch, Iberian and other european empires.
That Bolshevik calculation remains the basis of the current movement in international relations: Brics is Russia plus the ‘Toilers of the East’ the post colonial powers that have rejected imperialism. The proof of this lies in, for example, Argentina’s volte face- it cannot join BRICS and attach itself to Wall St’s hip at the same time.
It had to choose. In the coming years such choosing will become common, countries such as Kenya are going to have to choose, as is Saudi Arabia, Turkiye, and, one after another, the countries of America, starting with Mexico and Colombia. And the likelihood is that they will choose BRICS for the simple reason that it will not require their submission, the castration of their sovereignty and the Hollywoodisation of their culture.
Those who criticise the SMO for not following the script that gamers would have written for it are missing the point-as gamers are wont to do- that war, pace Clausewitz, is just a bloody subset of politics. Russia has not had to defeat NATO because NATO was always going to do that itself and is far better placed to do so. All Russia has had to do is to steel its nerves as Ukraine and its “allies” (who one would not wish on anyone) smash their uncovered heads against brick walls. While this is going on Russia, still recovering from its rulers surrender to imperialism in the 1990s, can undertake its purging of corruption, rebuild the social solidarities that have been-even under serfdom- crucial to Orthodox society, whether headed by a Patriarch or a General Secretary, and return to the long road to the peaceful development of a country which, with its associated partners and allies in asia constitutes something close to a majority of the human race.
Given the urgent and unprecedentedly serious environmentally rooted problems we face such a unification of peoples is probably the only alternative there is to wars fought with weapons that nobody either understands or is capable of controlling.
Fascism is a death cult a suicide pact- the trailer to the movie is being played in Gaza.
And it is the alternative to what is emerging in BRICS.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 31 2023 1:11 utc | 200