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December 31, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-324
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Hankster @98 Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 1 2024 12:28 utc | 101 It must be obvious to all now that the targeting of the Russian civilian centres where there are no military targets – is the same brush that is applied to the Palestinians butchered twenty fold by the Illegal apartheid entities soulless haters of humanity. Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 1 2024 12:40 utc | 102 Posted by: Peter Williams | Jan 1 2024 7:10 utc | 91 Posted by: Milites | Jan 1 2024 12:46 utc | 103 “Look at Israel. They show no mercy to their enemies. They do not care about “opinions of global south”. They bomb, threat and destroy. In the end they have been winning since 1948.” Intel Slava says China is cracking down on Tether crypto – which was reported as a desperate lifeline in the early days of Russophobic sanctions. Perhaps this is because yuan-ruble transactions are much easier now. Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 1 2024 13:20 utc | 105 Conversion of the control over the nation state from those few with the wealth to those many who depend on the nation state for security, justice, truth and jobs is a prerequisite to self determination.. As long as the state promotes or allows private hands to own monopoly powers, to allow disinformation, and as long as the state creates by rule of law monopolies designed to allow private ownership to benefit from public duties or assets..there can be no self-determination. Posted by: snake | Jan 1 2024 13:44 utc | 106 General Krivonos (ex chief of Ukraine’s national security council) says just one plant in Russia has manufactured over 1300 cruise missiles last year. This guy randomly comes out with some bombshells, in 2022-10 he said Ukraine had already hundreds of thousands of casualties (when the Kherson attack was ending). Posted by: unimperator | Jan 1 2024 14:23 utc | 107 Nazis – where have they been breeding for 80 years ? Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 1 2024 15:03 utc | 108 Posted by: canuck | Jan 1 2024 13:14 utc | 104 Posted by: Milites | Jan 1 2024 15:08 utc | 109 On the topic of Russians being exposed to swarms of Ukraine FPV drones, I wonder how such a drone would get on against a shotgun. A sawn off could be utilised for up close and personal situations. Posted by: Truthsayer | Jan 1 2024 15:19 utc | 110 Putin doesn’t live in an MOA echo chamber where people mindlessly repeat that west is deindustrialized. Go look at world automotive manufacturing and add up all of North America, EU, Pacific Rim, other USA allies and compare with Russia. I’d guess it’s between 10:1 and 100:1. West is even more ahead of Russia in high tech. Russia cannot afford to wake this sleeping giant. Posted by: kupkee | Jan 1 2024 16:00 utc | 111 Posted by: canuck | Jan 1 2024 13:14 utc | 104 Truthsayer | Jan 1 2024 15:19 utc | 110 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 1 2024 17:03 utc | 113 Kupkee 111: Even 78 years after the end of the war, they are still such obedient World War losers that they don’t want to have anything they shouldn’t have. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 1 2024 17:32 utc | 114 Peter AU1 | Jan 1 2024 17:03 utc | 113– My suggestion is a 40mm grenade with an altitude timer that can be shot from the standard grenade launcher providing an air burst similar to old fashioned ack-ack used in WWs 1&2. Posted by: too scents | Jan 1 2024 18:02 utc | 116 The body count on both sides is about to increase exponentially : Posted by: bored | Jan 1 2024 18:25 utc | 117 a million new attack drones Posted by: too scents | Jan 1 2024 18:41 utc | 118 Posted by: Truthsayer | Jan 1 2024 15:19 utc | 110 Posted by: golddigger | Jan 1 2024 18:42 utc | 119 @ anon2020 and others interested in the future of the drone in a happy new year 2024.
Posted by: whirlX | Jan 1 2024 18:48 utc | 120 In a defiant New Year’s address, President Volodymyr Zelensky vowed that Russia would feel the “wrath” of Ukrainian weapons production, including a million new attack drones, and the expected arrival of F-16 fighter jets from the West in the coming year. Posted by: malenkov | Jan 1 2024 18:48 utc | 121 Posted by: Milites | Jan 1 2024 12:46 utc | 103 Posted by: anonposter | Jan 1 2024 19:10 utc | 122 Posted by: kupkee | Jan 1 2024 16:00 utc | 111 Posted by: anonposter | Jan 1 2024 19:26 utc | 123
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Posted by: Down South | Jan 1 2024 19:38 utc | 124 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 1 2024 17:03 utc | 113 Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 1 2024 19:44 utc | 125 Speaking of which, file this under goofy but thought-provoking:
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 1 2024 19:50 utc | 126 Posted by: Yrr | Dec 31 2023 14:29 utc | 5 Posted by: UBAH | Jan 1 2024 19:51 utc | 127 Posted by: Yrr | Dec 31 2023 14:29 utc | 5 Posted by: UBAH | Jan 1 2024 19:51 utc | 128 anon2020 | Jan 1 2024 19:50 utc | 126: Seems to be a very british invention, perhaps with a little help of the old pakistany and indian friendes. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 1 2024 20:02 utc | 129 by Oliver Krug | Jan 1 2024 20:02 utc | 129 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 1 2024 20:12 utc | 130 by anon2020 | Jan 1 2024 19:50 utc | 126 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 1 2024 20:30 utc | 131 Dima syas that Russia managed to destroy the first HIMARS system. Posted by: zorge | Jan 1 2024 20:45 utc | 132 In early 2022 Russia declared that it doesn’t recognize patents and copyrights of enemy nations. However little has been done to actually use copied western tech. This is an area with huge potential. Russian industrialists must invest in copycat industries replicating US and US allies’ products and processes. Posted by: Jason | Jan 1 2024 21:07 utc | 133 Posted by: zorge | Jan 1 2024 20:45 utc | 132 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 1 2024 21:07 utc | 134 There is a commercially available high capacity 12 ga shotguns that cost around $500 on the low end called an AR-12. It is magazine feed and looks alot like an AR-15. The largest straight magazine is around 10 rounds, but third party drum magazines are available with a capacity of 50 rounds. So I’m not certain it’s the availability of armaments that is stopping it use. Posted by: Jerr | Jan 1 2024 21:12 utc | 135 @ anon2020 | Jan 1 2024 19:50 utc | 126 with the naval drone link…thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 1 2024 21:18 utc | 136 Posted by: UBAH | Jan 1 2024 19:51 utc | 128 Posted by: Milites | Jan 1 2024 21:53 utc | 137 Posted by: zorge | Jan 1 2024 20:45 utc | 132 Posted by: Milites | Jan 1 2024 21:56 utc | 138 and the grift (and provocations) continiue: Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 1 2024 22:28 utc | 139 Vladimir Putin wouldn’t really give a shit about Russia and you’d be naive to believe otherwise : He’s a capitalist, first and foremost. Creating Muscovite Wall Street was about providing as much profit as possible for him and his cronies and ultimately creating an alliance between all of great capitalist nations against Beijing, which was considered the main rival by Russian elites, not Washington, which they desperately wanted to emulate and befriend. Posted by: Mecha Comrade | Jan 1 2024 22:35 utc | 140 Posted by: Mecha Comrade | Jan 1 2024 22:35 utc | 140 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 1 2024 22:43 utc | 141 Dima syas that Russia managed to destroy the first HIMARS system. Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 1 2024 22:45 utc | 142 Posted by: Mecha Comrade | Jan 1 2024 22:35 utc | 140 Posted by: Elber | Jan 1 2024 22:59 utc | 143 Sad news from Sputnik (I mean Russia Today). Ukraine’s cultural heritage seems to have been caught in the crossfire between good and evil: Posted by: bevin | Jan 1 2024 23:47 utc | 144 Arch wasn’t being facetious about research , more a general comment to all that read the post. I guess after being thrown out of so many nations and the issues Israel even faces today it’s good to anticipate and have a few bug out locations ready. Why not live up the road from Hitler Posted by: Hankster | Jan 2 2024 0:04 utc | 145 “We accepted the first battle with dignity. We did not back off. We went forward bald-headed. When we reached the position, we dug in there, and accepted the battle” Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 2 2024 0:11 utc | 146 NAZI COLLABORATOR SITES BEING TARGETED IN UKRAINE Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 2 2024 0:18 utc | 147 Posted by: golddigger | Jan 1 2024 18:42 utc | 119
It’s not the first, they’ve likely destroyed double digits of them by now, but because of the MOD’s op-sec autism, you never saw evidence of it (pretty much no Tornado-S strikes ever get published). Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 2 2024 0:37 utc | 149 Lord Bebo Posted by: Menz | Jan 2 2024 0:41 utc | 150 I looked into automatic shotguns and apparently an AK type has been on the market from Russia for some time. It may only shoot out to 150 meters or so but really it only needs to damage the light drone enough to throw it off course, these things are pretty delicate. At least it gives the soldiers something to shoot back with. It’s called a Saiga-12, look it up. 600 rounds per minute you don’t really need to be a sharpshooter and with a decent muzzle break it’s pretty stable. Posted by: Peter Fenton | Jan 2 2024 0:43 utc | 151 Sorry it’s about 50 meters, but still enough to hit that suicide drone that’s coming in for your trench or vehicle. Only light quadcopter kinds of course… Posted by: Peter Fenton | Jan 2 2024 0:50 utc | 152 by Milites | Jan 1 2024 21:53 utc | 137 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 2 2024 0:56 utc | 153 ZH has a posting up with the title
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 2 2024 2:28 utc | 154 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 2 2024 0:56 utc | 153 Posted by: Milites | Jan 2 2024 2:46 utc | 155 Posted by: Peter Fenton | Jan 2 2024 0:50 utc | 152 Posted by: Milites | Jan 2 2024 2:54 utc | 156 by Milites | Jan 2 2024 2:46 utc | 155 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 2 2024 4:15 utc | 157 Putin talked with the troops at a top-line military rehab hospital, then had an intimate chat, wine and a meal with some select troops at one of the government dachas, while Putin also delivered an address on the occasion of Russia becoming BRICS+ President for 2024. And to top the day, the Kremlin issued the plan for Russia’s 2024 Presidency of the CIS. Sorry for not posting this earlier, “New Year’s Day–Just Another Workday for Putin”. One short excerpt:
I added emphasis in several places when I posted this into my article but didn’t do so here as I want barflies to think about what they see as deserving that treatment. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 2 2024 0:37 utc | 149
He CISPO – you again Posted by: ghiwen | Jan 2 2024 6:23 utc | 159 Currently NATO stratotanker in South=Eastern Poland just North-West of Lavov, but on a Polish side. Posted by: whirlX | Jan 2 2024 6:32 utc | 160 @95 Posted by: Yarpos | Jan 2 2024 6:44 utc | 161 Allegedly 11 Kinzhals used in Kiev area, in addition to another massive missile attack all over the country. Nato target rich environment? Posted by: unimperator | Jan 2 2024 6:52 utc | 162
Posted by: Down South | Jan 2 2024 6:53 utc | 163 “In early 2022 Russia declared that it doesn’t recognize patents and copyrights of enemy nations. However little has been done to actually use copied western tech. This is an area with huge potential. Russian industrialists must invest in copycat industries replicating US and US allies’ products and processes.” Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 2 2024 6:59 utc | 164 Geran 2 drones used to deplete and expose air defenses again. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 2 2024 7:06 utc | 165 One of the videos from Kiev, looks like multiple successive explosions. Maybe SAM system cooking off? Posted by: unimperator | Jan 2 2024 7:17 utc | 166 Posted by: Down South | Jan 2 2024 6:53 utc | 163 Posted by: knighthawk | Jan 2 2024 7:33 utc | 167 The Forbes article about Avdeevka is quite interesting. Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:23 utc | 168 Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:23 utc | 168 Posted by: alek_a | Jan 2 2024 8:36 utc | 169 Now if you allow me to propose a contrarian viewpoint I will propose the following : Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:37 utc | 170 Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:23 utc | 168
Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:50 utc | 172 Readovka – Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 2 2024 8:53 utc | 173 Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:37 utc | 170 Posted by: Tim | Jan 2 2024 8:54 utc | 174 Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 1 2024 21:18 utc | 136 Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 2 2024 9:04 utc | 175 Hmm well Zaluzhny thought he could hold Avdeevka for 3 months Posted by: rk | Jan 2 2024 9:42 utc | 176 Ukrainian channel Legitimny:
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 2 2024 9:46 utc | 177 They’ve lost control on the internet censorship or what? Posted by: too scents | Jan 2 2024 9:51 utc | 178 Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 2 2024 9:04 utc | 175 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 2 2024 9:51 utc | 179 …. Drones are not wonder-weapons, they are just remote versions of existing weapons or platforms. Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 2 2024 9:56 utc | 180 Copying is better than inventions when it comes to commercial gain. Copying has the advantage that the model has been researched and tested. This part is the longest in the timeline and costliest. All that can be bypassed with copying. Posted by: Jason | Jan 2 2024 10:05 utc | 181 Video of Kinzhal hitting a target with a red-hot cone, debunking Posted by: unimperator | Jan 2 2024 10:10 utc | 182 Proper link. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 2 2024 10:11 utc | 183 @dreaming about the invincible Russian army just taking its time on the battlefield and enjoying it all the way while Ukrainians sit there shivering and in the dark, like lambs to the slaughter. You may laugh but this type of narratives has truly taken hold of a lot of times and cost us all (including me) a lot of time before slowly understanding that we were led on. Posted by: rk | Jan 2 2024 10:17 utc | 184 At the current rythm, it will take a decade. Posted by: Urban Fox | Jan 2 2024 10:34 utc | 185 by Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:23 utc | 168 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 2 2024 11:04 utc | 186
I’ve been asking myself that question for a while… Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 2 2024 11:38 utc | 187
Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 11:45 utc | 188 That’s were you blatantly jumped the shark, Ukraine doesn’t have five years worth of men to press-gang never mind ten. Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 11:49 utc | 189 Yes. Ask yourself how much info coming from the front-lines is manipulated and filtered? Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 11:59 utc | 190 Where are the Ka-52s and their LMUR-Izdeliye ? Where are the vaunted Tornado-S (most furtive weapon system in history) ? Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 12:01 utc | 191 Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 11:49 utc | 189 Posted by: Engineer-John | Jan 2 2024 12:06 utc | 192 BTW it seems that cold weather affects seriously small drone flying. Donbass is getting below zero soon. Proper link. Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 2 2024 12:32 utc | 194 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 2 2024 10:10 utc | 182 Posted by: Milites | Jan 2 2024 12:52 utc | 195 Dima says that Ukraine is in very difficult situation but in the same time he is talking about huge Russian losses at the front line. Posted by: zorge | Jan 2 2024 12:56 utc | 196 Posted by: Catilina | Jan 2 2024 12:30 utc | 193 Posted by: Milites | Jan 2 2024 12:58 utc | 197 Posted by: zorge | Jan 2 2024 12:56 utc | 196 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 2 2024 13:01 utc | 198 And why do you limit yoursef at Ukraine ? If there are not enough men, they’ll have Poland or the Baltic States enter the fray. And don’t tell me there are not enough stupid Slav peasants willing to get blown up for Washington. Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 2 2024 13:25 utc | 199 What is unusual in the destruction of the HIMARS MLRS in the DPR: analysis of the Military Chronicle Posted by: chop | Jan 2 2024 13:28 utc | 200 |
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