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December 31, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-324

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Hankster @98
I’m convinced now. These guys are being sent to the trenches to be eliminated. Stupid Nazi thinks he’s better than the retard, but he’s there to be eliminated too.
It is disturbing to see this level of organized depravity and realize it is now rather than some primitive epoch, and so many in the supposed “advanced” states think it’s is OK.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 1 2024 12:28 utc | 101

It must be obvious to all now that the targeting of the Russian civilian centres where there are no military targets – is the same brush that is applied to the Palestinians butchered twenty fold by the Illegal apartheid entities soulless haters of humanity.
The Natzios are unhinged.
2024 – I see over the horizon, the cavalry approaching, raising a Great Wall of dust, as it moves towards us. Our liberators are coming. Let us learn some of their language to welcome their Great March and happy soldiers.
URA !
欢迎木龙

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 1 2024 12:40 utc | 102

Posted by: Peter Williams | Jan 1 2024 7:10 utc | 91
You should have had 2X20 packs of Marlboro on your passenger seat!
Posted by: Peter Fenton | Jan 1 2024 8:01 utc | 95
After the ‘73 October ‘Yom Kippur’ military analysts began to write off the tank, a stunning reversal from when they had previously doubted the ability of man portable ATGM’s to be able to have a significant impact of MBT’s. As the post-conflict analysis became available it was seen that the Sagger was no wonder weapon, relying on its initial successes because the IDF were completely unprepared. By the end of that short conflict ‘Sagger overwatch’ tactics had greatly reduced the effectiveness of the missile and the development of reactive armours and composites later forced missile designers to react (tandem/top attack etc). It will be the same for drones, who are enjoying their own ‘Happy Time’, and we all know the fate of 90% of the U-Boat crews.
Drones have been around for decades, but a unique combination of recent technological/electronic and computer developments have suddenly catapulted them into the spotlight during the SMO. Armies are already adapting, with the Russians using numerous ad-hoc systems with variable impacts, as they struggle to counter the West’s advantage in this sphere of warfare (the much doubted Russian helicopter drone has been around as a working concept in the West for well over a decade). Russian EW is probably superior, but was largely designed to defend relatively static targets and the Ukrainians can draw upon the technical expertise of a growing community of user-developers and the electronic edge the West still possesses.
However, drones should not be seen game changers on the battlefield, rather force multipliers for the inertia-dampers that recent technological developments have imposed on the 21st Century battlefield. Front line reports focus on the drone because it is the most visible element of a revolution in warfare driven by ISR technologies, frontlines are largely static, with spasmodic low-density, high-intensity combat, not because of drones, but because of the technologically driven limitations and restrictions on developing and building combat-inertia. The fatal flaw in the Ukrainian concept of operations was that their offensive was planned two decades too late, with it not fully taking into account this latest manifestation of friction. Russia has learned the lessons, from the largely one sided experiences it encountered at the start of the SMO, and is now adapting the ad-hoc advance guard structures developed and modified, Post-Cold-War, as a way to launch multiple, front-wide, small-footprint, large-fire support, small-gain attacks. Drones are also very high profile because, for Russia, it is a source of pride and reassurance that they can react to, compete and surpass their opponents, for Ukraine they are a stop gap weapon that replaces conventional platforms they can no longer rely on. The historical precedent would be the German reliance on assault guns and disposable AT weapons as substitutes for having very few tanks. Two drones attacking one soldier, is a horrific vision, but far worse would be a drone guided Mortar Fire Controller (MFC) showering those troops with 100 X 81mm variable timed (VT) airburst bombs in one minute. The fact that the Ukrainians have to use substitutes, however seemingly effective, should not disguise the fact that they are an adjunct to the Russian planners, but vital to the Ukrainians, again another trajectory indicator suggesting the direction of the SMO.
Happy New Year to all, and thank you ‘b’ for providing this forum to engage in practices that if carried out publicly in the UK can get you punished, sigh.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 1 2024 12:46 utc | 103

“Look at Israel. They show no mercy to their enemies. They do not care about “opinions of global south”. They bomb, threat and destroy. In the end they have been winning since 1948.”
Posted by: zorge | Dec 31 2023 21:17 utc | 55
Well, as Dr. Phil would say, “How has it worked for them.”
They got thrown out of Palestine by Hadrian went to Cyprus and in 117 AD murdered over 240,000 Cypriots then were thrown off the island-then over the centuries they were thrown out of dozens of countries.
“Winning”- that’s a farce-no they are digging themselves their own grave by their senseless genocidal violence. Zionism is their final ticket to oblivion.
By 2030 I don’t think you will have an Israel.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 1 2024 13:14 utc | 104

Intel Slava says China is cracking down on Tether crypto – which was reported as a desperate lifeline in the early days of Russophobic sanctions. Perhaps this is because yuan-ruble transactions are much easier now.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 1 2024 13:20 utc | 105

Conversion of the control over the nation state from those few with the wealth to those many who depend on the nation state for security, justice, truth and jobs is a prerequisite to self determination.. As long as the state promotes or allows private hands to own monopoly powers, to allow disinformation, and as long as the state creates by rule of law monopolies designed to allow private ownership to benefit from public duties or assets..there can be no self-determination.
Self determination is a human right.. suppressed by those with the wealth who control the nation state.

Posted by: snake | Jan 1 2024 13:44 utc | 106

General Krivonos (ex chief of Ukraine’s national security council) says just one plant in Russia has manufactured over 1300 cruise missiles last year. This guy randomly comes out with some bombshells, in 2022-10 he said Ukraine had already hundreds of thousands of casualties (when the Kherson attack was ending).

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 1 2024 14:23 utc | 107

Nazis – where have they been breeding for 80 years ?
There are a few such cuntries- mostly the 5 Eyes and as is obvious now the ‘+1’ .
This month let’s get the populations of these places to pick sides – either they carry on denying they have been breeding supporting and being Nazis themselves or they start to redress the great crime of keeping the Nazis philosophy alive and their ‘leaders’ being actual Nazis and Nazi sympathisers.
It ain’t perhaps fair to equate all the citizens and the whole country to be Nazis when they were hidden from the truth. They should be given a chance.
But now it is widely known that they have been living alongside as neighbours and friends of the secretly kept alive and breeding of Nazis. Preparing for generations another proxy attempt at taking Eurasia.
So what’s your excuse now? Why are you allowing Nazis as your friends, neighbours and leaders? Why are you still buying their lies and xenophobia? Why aren’t you turfing them out of government, armed forces, judiciary, police, academia, media and culture?
Why aren’t you throwing them into dungeons and setting up trials for their lies and crimes?
Want your country back or remain c**** and be exterminated by nemesis as the anti Nazis are forced to invade to defeat your sorry arses?
This goes for every nation that has been blinded into hiding and supporting the Nazis.
————
‘The Canada Files: Victor Hetmanczuk, Chair of the Board for Nazi-funding Canada-Ukraine Foundation was appointed as Member of the Order of Canada. The CUF gave a $300k CAD grant to the medical wing (Hospitallers) of a Ukrainian Nazi’s army in 2023, its COO Oksana Kuzyshyn trained the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion back in 2016, and its ‘Holodomor’ tour bus spreads Nazi propaganda to young children across Canada.
As you can see, Ukrainian Nazism is truly loved by Canada’s ruling elite. The Banderites were made the dominant faction of the Ukrainian Canadian community after Canada’s government looted the socialist Association of United Ukrainian Canadians in the 1940s and unified Ukrainian fascists into the Ukrainian Canadian Congress. This Banderite faction has been backed financially and politically ever since, with MPs Chrystia Freeland and Yvan Baker being their main representatives. This has enabled the extreme anti-USSR and now anti-Russia policies of Canada’s ruling elite.
To learn more, read this investigation on the CUF: http://bit.ly/3tqkABC
Source: https://bit.ly/47jVsKC
TCF’s Telegram: t.me/thecanadafiles ‘

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 1 2024 15:03 utc | 108

Posted by: canuck | Jan 1 2024 13:14 utc | 104
What are your objections to the Jew’s historical behaviour in the Cyprus uprising, when they parallel the present day conduct of the Palestinians, whose cause you support?

Posted by: Milites | Jan 1 2024 15:08 utc | 109

On the topic of Russians being exposed to swarms of Ukraine FPV drones, I wonder how such a drone would get on against a shotgun. A sawn off could be utilised for up close and personal situations.
Clay pigeon shooting is a popular sport. Clay pigeons don’t have little rotary blades that need to whizz round a thousand times a minute.
I also wonder how such drones would fare against 60lb breaking strain fishing line strung across the treeline above and around Russian trenches.

Posted by: Truthsayer | Jan 1 2024 15:19 utc | 110

Putin doesn’t live in an MOA echo chamber where people mindlessly repeat that west is deindustrialized. Go look at world automotive manufacturing and add up all of North America, EU, Pacific Rim, other USA allies and compare with Russia. I’d guess it’s between 10:1 and 100:1. West is even more ahead of Russia in high tech. Russia cannot afford to wake this sleeping giant.
Now if you add China to Russia it’s another story, because China capacity is immense. But, for various reasons, China is not fully backing Russia. China still trades with the USA bloc, it hasn’t attacked Taiwan yet, it hasn’t sent Chinese troops to Ukraine, etc. Why doesn’t shadowbanned complain about China? China suffers of Russia collapses and USA moves in to occupy the far east.
Russia does have the option of escalating without Chinese support, by taking out satellites, attacking merchant shipping, nuking Europe, but this is very risky compared to slow and controlled attrition. Losing 100 civilians in Belgograd is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Probably that many people die each week in Russia as innocent victims of auto accidents.
Posted by: anonposter | Dec 31 2023 20:53 utc | 52
1. You are confusing Auto Assembly Plants with Manufacturing. Steel Furnaces, Copper, and all other Metal Primary Industries are rarely found in the West. IIRC “made in North America” allows 50% of the parts to come from China. If you sent Chinese made parts in wooden boxes to Mexico, unload the boxes, then mark the parts “made in Mexico”, is that part of your Auto Manufacturing? The U.S. and Europe have clay feet.
2. China has no interest in being a U.S. puppet. But they were happy to take anything the U.S. Profiteers offered, in order to build China to the power it is today. And they are not going back. The Chinese People don’t take kindly to public threats from grubby American Politicians. They didn’t end the export of Rare Earth Metals to be nice to the Americans.
3. It is curious to see a German commentator claim that Russia is failing. Europe’s obedient Aryan clowns dancing to the DC jig apparently have no self-awareness.
4. Drones? Lots of solutions, but hit them where they are launched from. Same game as the V1 and V2.

Posted by: kupkee | Jan 1 2024 16:00 utc | 111

Posted by: canuck | Jan 1 2024 13:14 utc | 104
What are your objections to the Jew’s historical behaviour in the Cyprus uprising, when they parallel the present day conduct of the Palestinians, whose cause you support?
Posted by: Milites | Jan 1 2024 15:08 utc | 109
The Jews of the 2nd century AD were pushed out of Palestine for their violent behaviour and then committed a genociude against Greeks who were Indigenous to Cyprus; the Jews were not.
They massacred civilians, same as they are doing 1,800 years later.
I cannot see how one can compare the current Palestinian plight to that of the 2nd century Jewish genociders in Cyprus.
“They[Jews]sacked Salamis and annihilated the Greeks. According to the Roman historian Cassius Dio, the rebels massacred 240,000 Greek Cypriots. Cassius Dio also reported that Jews were not allowed to settle in Cyprus after the suppression of the rebellion. In the centuries that followed, this law was applied so strictly that Jews who wrecked ships off the coast of Cyprus were quickly executed. Jewish settlement in Cyprus seems to have stopped completely until the 4th century AD. According to a recent source written by Eutychius of Alexandria, Cypriot Jews attacked Christian monasteries on the island during the reign of Heraclius (610-641). Twice in 649 and 649, in 653, when the majority of the population was Christian, Cyprus was raided twice by Arab armies, resulting in the capture and enslavement of many Cypriots. One story says that Jews enslaved in Syria managed to escape and seek refuge in Cyprus, where they converted and settled in Amathus in the late 7th century. A Greek-speaking Romaniotic Jewish community in the Byzantine period has been documented.”(1)
1. https://academic-accelerator.com/encyclopedia/history-of-the-jews-in-cyprus

Posted by: canuck | Jan 1 2024 16:01 utc | 112

Truthsayer | Jan 1 2024 15:19 utc | 110
Watch frontline footage of drones targeting personnel. Birds and clay pigeons do not conduct evasive maneuvering at very high speeds as do the drones. Suggestions of using shotguns are not much above laughable.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 1 2024 17:03 utc | 113

Kupkee 111: Even 78 years after the end of the war, they are still such obedient World War losers that they don’t want to have anything they shouldn’t have.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 1 2024 17:32 utc | 114

Peter AU1 | Jan 1 2024 17:03 utc | 113–
Happy New Year Peter!!
Simplicius wrote a year-ending tech update to complement the one he wrote in February that was mostly about EW and drones. There was no discussion of tools infantry can use to defend against drones. My suggestion is a 40mm grenade with an altitude timer that can be shot from the standard grenade launcher providing an air burst similar to old fashioned ack-ack used in WWs 1&2. Also anti-drones or drone hunting drones manned by dedicated units at the front. Given the cheapness and ease of manufacture of FPV drones, they can be a ready substitute for artillery. IMO, we’ll see more being rolled out that’s drone related during 2024. The Termite drone helo Simplicius profiles is one newbie with other types to follow.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 1 2024 17:47 utc | 115

My suggestion is a 40mm grenade with an altitude timer that can be shot from the standard grenade launcher providing an air burst similar to old fashioned ack-ack used in WWs 1&2.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 1 2024 17:47 utc | 115

Something like this ??? ==> http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/land-forces/ground-surveillance-radars/fara-vr/

Posted by: too scents | Jan 1 2024 18:02 utc | 116

The body count on both sides is about to increase exponentially :
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/01/01/zelensky-vows-russia-will-feel-wrath-of-ukraine-with-arrival-of-western-f-16-fighter-jets-in-new-year/
In a defiant New Year’s address, President Volodymyr Zelensky vowed that Russia would feel the “wrath” of Ukrainian weapons production, including a million new attack drones, and the expected arrival of F-16 fighter jets from the West in the coming year.

Posted by: bored | Jan 1 2024 18:25 utc | 117

a million new attack drones
Posted by: bored | Jan 1 2024 18:25 utc | 117

Meanwhile the West doesn’t have enough explosives to produce artillery shells.

Posted by: too scents | Jan 1 2024 18:41 utc | 118

Posted by: Truthsayer | Jan 1 2024 15:19 utc | 110
Re shotguns. Worthless. With 9mm buck shot you only have about a 50M range. A drone can fly over and drop grenades on you all day long, at far higher altitude than a shotgun can reach. Also to effectively use a shotgun against a moving target you have to stand and fully expose your self. Making you a target for snipers.
Also Fishing line is for catching trout not drones Exposing yourself to string line all over the place is suicide.
best defense against drones is electronic warfare not kinetic.

Posted by: golddigger | Jan 1 2024 18:42 utc | 119

@ anon2020 and others interested in the future of the drone in a happy new year 2024.
It is of course yet to be written, but interesting take on ‘drone swarms’ as explained by Chinese themselves. Zhao explains the difference between the Cold War and now in drone/missile usage.
The best thoughts:

Stop pretending jamming or EW as “click to disable” gimmick.
It requires constant updates from signal intelligence, just to keep up with enemy platform frequency hopping.
Not to mention multi-guidance, unless you have invisibility, you can’t spoof 1000 drones with hi-def camera.
and
Human can be kept within the OODA loop, but it could just be an entirely autonomous system, where it’ll attack any and every target that matches the image profile in its database.
Coupled with anti-ship ballistic missiles and hypersonic system, forms the modern area denial zone.
The problem is, many believe the invincibility of naval power projection.
When in reality humanity have never fought a high intensity peer to peer naval warfare in the age of missiles, let alone age of drone swarms.
Naval warfare is much like infantry tactics just before WW1

Posted by: whirlX | Jan 1 2024 18:48 utc | 120

In a defiant New Year’s address, President Volodymyr Zelensky vowed that Russia would feel the “wrath” of Ukrainian weapons production, including a million new attack drones, and the expected arrival of F-16 fighter jets from the West in the coming year.
Posted by: bored | Jan 1 2024 18:25 utc | 117
____
It’s terrible what drugs can do to the brain.

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 1 2024 18:48 utc | 121

Posted by: Milites | Jan 1 2024 12:46 utc | 103
>Two drones attacking one soldier, is a horrific vision, but far worse would be a drone guided Mortar Fire Controller (MFC) showering those troops with 100 X 81mm variable timed (VT) airburst bombs in one minute.
Nothing says you can’t have 100 drones carrying 81mm VT bombs. Mortar tube/base is heavy, slow to move, needs a human to setup, gives away its position when fired. If the mortar tube/base is treated as disposable because do easily targeted by counter battery fire, it’s more expensive than the quadcopter solution.
Posted by: golddigger | Jan 1 2024 18:42 utc | 119
>Re shotguns. Worthless. With 9mm buck shot you only have about a 50M range. A drone can fly over and drop grenades on you all day long, at far higher altitude than a shotgun can reach. Also to effectively use a shotgun against a moving target you have to stand and fully expose your self. Making you a target for snipers.
Humans armed with shotguns is next to useless but not automated “shotguns”. And it doesn’t have to be 9mm buckshot. Phalanx 20mm gatling gun has several km range. Plenty of options in between can be imagined.
EW does nothing against autonomous drones uses visible/infrared/audio/sonar to navigate and identify targets. You need a nuclear EMP weapon to fry the electronics and then you’d fry your own electronics.
The only workable alternative to kinetic is laser or similar electrical powered weapons, but these weapons need an immense power supply so easy to locate them attack with big missiles.
Speaking of snipers, wait until those become drones. Quadcopter carrying sniper rifles positions itself then sitd and waits patiently. No IR signature, no movement to accommodate bodily needs, no need for food and water, can endure harsh weather, batteries last months.

Posted by: anonposter | Jan 1 2024 19:10 utc | 122

Posted by: kupkee | Jan 1 2024 16:00 utc | 111
>Manufacturing. Steel Furnaces, Copper, and all other Metal Primary Industries are rarely found in the West.
https://worldsteel.org/steel-topics/statistics/world-steel-in-figures-2022/
Scroll down that page and you will see that while China does dwarf everyone else, combined USA led “western” (including Japan, South Korea, etc) alliance is about equal to China plus Russia. And that’s true for other basic industries. I suggest you get away from the echo chamber and do a few simple Google/Bing searches before making unfounded assertions.

Posted by: anonposter | Jan 1 2024 19:26 utc | 123

Our source in the OP said that checkpoints in Kyiv were set up to test the technology for serving summonses, a beta test is now underway, and in 2024 a similar practice will be applied throughout Ukraine.
The Office of the President wants to solve the mobilization problem in a short time, which is why the methods are so radical.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/20986

Our source from the Office of the President reported that all the checkpoints in Kyiv were a test of the technology of total mobilization.
Bankova decided to use the experience of Covid-19, when the heads of local authorities could issue decrees to restrict the movement of citizens. Now the Military Administration, bypassing the law, is actually preparing special regimes throughout the country for checking documents and total mobilization.
TCC officials are given the right to check documents and inspect things from persons in the Dnepropetrovsk region, – Public.
In addition, a special entry/exit regime was introduced in the two districts.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/20998

Bankovaya came up with a clumsy pretext for the mass installation of roadblocks under the “sauce” of identifying saboteurs (there was no such threat before, but when it was necessary to catch the men en masse, the threat immediately appeared).
Colleagues were the first to reveal the purpose of the OP functionaries.
There are already a lot of checkpoints in Kyiv where they hand out summonses. Of course this is illegal. But in Ukraine no one respects laws, freedom of speech and human rights anymore. The country has slipped into the Middle Ages.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16982

Posted by: Down South | Jan 1 2024 19:38 utc | 124

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 1 2024 17:03 utc | 113
Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 1 2024 17:47 utc | 115
Posted by: too scents | Jan 1 2024 18:02 utc | 116
Posted by: whirlX | Jan 1 2024 18:48 utc | 120
Thanks all for the interesting posts. Even at this larval stage there is a menagerie of drone types and sizes, drone detection schemes, methods of mechanical / electromagnetic interdiction … rock, paper, scissors!

Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 1 2024 19:44 utc | 125

Speaking of which, file this under goofy but thought-provoking:
https://t.me/milinfolive/113612

Video of the Ukrainian SeaBaby unmanned (naval) drone using rockets to fire at Russian ships near Sevastopol.
Previously, these drones were used by the enemy as kamikazes, but now they have begun to be equipped with weapons for firing from a distance.
It can be noted that the fire is not aimed and is unlikely to be effective in this case, however, such drones with MLRS can be used for covert firing of targets on the shore or in the bay, which will be a problem.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 1 2024 19:50 utc | 126

Posted by: Yrr | Dec 31 2023 14:29 utc | 5
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 1 2024 17:03 utc | 113
Watch frontline footage of drones targeting personnel. Birds and clay pigeons do not conduct evasive maneuvering at very high speeds as do the drones…
Yup, but in plenty of Telegram vids some of the more basic FPV drones appear to need to stop and hover at relatively low altitude above the intended target in order to accurately position a dropped munition. Assuming the “target” becomes aware of the loitering drone and has no shelter to retreat to, what the heck, why not try deploying some COTS 10 gauge shotguns in the trenches for contingencies? Cheap and utilitarian. Like the Russian infantry shovel. Beats spray and pray with an AK.

Posted by: UBAH | Jan 1 2024 19:51 utc | 127

Posted by: Yrr | Dec 31 2023 14:29 utc | 5
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 1 2024 17:03 utc | 113
Watch frontline footage of drones targeting personnel. Birds and clay pigeons do not conduct evasive maneuvering at very high speeds as do the drones…
Yup, but in plenty of Telegram vids some of the more basic FPV drones appear to need to stop and hover at relatively low altitude above the intended target in order to accurately position a dropped munition. Assuming the “target” becomes aware of the loitering drone and has no shelter to retreat to, what the heck, why not try deploying some COTS 10 gauge shotguns in the trenches for contingencies? Cheap and utilitarian. Like the Russian infantry shovel. Beats spray and pray with an AK.

Posted by: UBAH | Jan 1 2024 19:51 utc | 128

anon2020 | Jan 1 2024 19:50 utc | 126: Seems to be a very british invention, perhaps with a little help of the old pakistany and indian friendes.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 1 2024 20:02 utc | 129

by Oliver Krug | Jan 1 2024 20:02 utc | 129
Ha ha. Certainly is.

Posted by: whirlX | Jan 1 2024 20:12 utc | 130

by anon2020 | Jan 1 2024 19:50 utc | 126
Naval vessels for relatively precise targeting need very expensive gyro and complicated stabilization/compensation mechanisms. Putting MRLS there is no more of a shotgun or a Saudi Bedouins wedding experience. But to use those as covert launch pods for smart missiles, guided from Global Hawk or AWACS is not a bad idea. Sure.

Posted by: whirlX | Jan 1 2024 20:30 utc | 131

Dima syas that Russia managed to destroy the first HIMARS system.
Why so late?

Posted by: zorge | Jan 1 2024 20:45 utc | 132

In early 2022 Russia declared that it doesn’t recognize patents and copyrights of enemy nations. However little has been done to actually use copied western tech. This is an area with huge potential. Russian industrialists must invest in copycat industries replicating US and US allies’ products and processes.
Russia should share underwater capabilities with middle east non state actors to disrupt NATO commercial operations and connectivity.
Both done together will turn tables on western industrial advantage.

Posted by: Jason | Jan 1 2024 21:07 utc | 133

Posted by: zorge | Jan 1 2024 20:45 utc | 132
The first one this year? Late in the evening?

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 1 2024 21:07 utc | 134

There is a commercially available high capacity 12 ga shotguns that cost around $500 on the low end called an AR-12. It is magazine feed and looks alot like an AR-15. The largest straight magazine is around 10 rounds, but third party drum magazines are available with a capacity of 50 rounds. So I’m not certain it’s the availability of armaments that is stopping it use.
It most likely is the ammunition. For example the distance you want to engage the drone is a primary consideration. Is it 50 meters? 100 meters? 200 meters? More? Less?.
Perhaps a shell designed like a flack round that has a timed fused for exploding and releasing fragments nearer the position of the drone is needed. Or a combination of different rounds fired sequentially.

Posted by: Jerr | Jan 1 2024 21:12 utc | 135

@ anon2020 | Jan 1 2024 19:50 utc | 126 with the naval drone link…thanks
I have been thinking that the Houthi have such and will use them at the appropriate time against the navy tin cans in the region……maybe soon, eh?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 1 2024 21:18 utc | 136

Posted by: UBAH | Jan 1 2024 19:51 utc | 128
An AGS-17 auto-grenade launcher, on a a two axis stabilised mount, firing 30mm flechette grenades, manned by an air guard, might also help the supply vehicles being targeted. I know that both East and West are developing auto-cannons firing proximity fused shells, but I’m also sure the drones many disadvantages can be exploited inventively.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 1 2024 19:50 utc | 126
Which is an admission that they are no longer able to launch direct attacks and have to use a limited stand-off capability. Drones are not wonder-weapons, they are just remote versions of existing weapons or platforms.
Posted by: canuck | Jan 1 2024 16:01 utc | 112
Fighting against an empire that had taken their historical lands, by murdering civilians and soldiers, displaced because of previous behaviour…..
Posted by: anonposter | Jan 1 2024 19:10 utc | 122
Maybe individually, but not 100 in a minute saturating a large area, unless you have a master and slave formation or algorithms to swarm, as the USMC demonstrated with aerial deployment from F-18’s. My point was though that Ukraine are nor reliant on drones now by choice, but by necessity, Russia uses them to boost her conventional capabilities. As for remote sniping drones, they will always be limited by their remote nature, either requiring an operator, with restricted observation or algorithms that can be exploited. When researching these platforms, a decade ago, I thought that most future military platforms, formations would have their own set of drones, obviously there are hidden restrictors at work.
Posted by: golddigger | Jan 1 2024 18:42 utc | 119
They have experimented with fine-mesh net shells for 12 gauges, with mixed results. My favourite counter were the trained eagles, used by the Dutch prison service to intercept illicit ‘supply’ drones, they proved too expensive though.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 1 2024 21:53 utc | 137

Posted by: zorge | Jan 1 2024 20:45 utc | 132
Of the New Year perhaps, they’ve destroyed several launchers since their deployment.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 1 2024 21:56 utc | 138

and the grift (and provocations) continiue:
norway to allow armsmakers to sell directly to the ukraine
they snuck “russias war of aggression” in this gibberish too, but if it truly is an war of aggression then the un (well our western value idiots that is) would have no problem getting support from the whole world.
“lying. cheating. propaganda. our western values!”

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 1 2024 22:28 utc | 139

Vladimir Putin wouldn’t really give a shit about Russia and you’d be naive to believe otherwise : He’s a capitalist, first and foremost. Creating Muscovite Wall Street was about providing as much profit as possible for him and his cronies and ultimately creating an alliance between all of great capitalist nations against Beijing, which was considered the main rival by Russian elites, not Washington, which they desperately wanted to emulate and befriend.
American elites said NO to all of that, not wanting Russia as competition on the financial world, regime-changed Ukraine, to the bewilderment of Russian elites, including Vladimir Putin, then provoked Russia into a proxy war by having those vile banderites massacring Russian minorities at Russia’s border before hitting them with an economical war through EU. Again, showing how much Vladimir Putin and his clique were complete marks : American elites never considered Russian elites to be allies, let alone as equals.
Then, in Russia, about a year into the conflict, there was little internal revolt fom part of Russian capitalist class, caused by the change of course from neoliberal austerity economy to a more primitive form of state-sponsored capitalism based on actual material production that was made in order to be able to provide for the war effort and palliate to the western economical sanctions. This revolt was led by the last pro-west neoliberal hopes, Yevgeny Prigozhin and his mercs who claimed that were rescuing Vladimir Putin from Russian army’s clutch, claim which might have some partial accuracy as I doubt Vladimir Putin, the westophiliac fool, was really calling the shots at that point in the conflict. This revolt was quickly quelled by said Russian army and Yevgeny Prigozhin was assassinated, probably by GRU and Vladimir Putin had to forget all about his financial empire dreams and reinvent himself as an ‘anti-Imperialist’, allowing Russia to become Beijing’s junior partner, when him and his buddies were too happy before to collaborate with the western bloc when this wouldn’t go against his interests, of course.
The era of Vladimir Putin is done, all of considered thing, things wouldn’t go too bad for Russia, mainly because of the western bloc’s incompetence and impotence but this could have went very wrong – So, this my opinion that Vladimir Putin, the gullible idiot that believed the western bloc is going to be a symbolic figure at best from now on. You might believe that Vladimir Putin is a great incorruptible, infallible leader who really cares about Russia and its people, IDGAS.

Posted by: Mecha Comrade | Jan 1 2024 22:35 utc | 140

Posted by: Mecha Comrade | Jan 1 2024 22:35 utc | 140
so many words, so little substance.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 1 2024 22:43 utc | 141

Dima syas that Russia managed to destroy the first HIMARS system.
Why so late?
Posted by: zorge | Jan 1 2024 20:45 utc | 132
…..0f 2024

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 1 2024 22:45 utc | 142

Posted by: Mecha Comrade | Jan 1 2024 22:35 utc | 140
so many words, no substance.

Posted by: Elber | Jan 1 2024 22:59 utc | 143

Sad news from Sputnik (I mean Russia Today). Ukraine’s cultural heritage seems to have been caught in the crossfire between good and evil:
“Two sites associated with WW2-era Nazi collaborators who have been hailed in present-day Ukraine as national heroes were damaged in the western city of Lviv overnight on January 1st. The development was confirmed on Monday by the city’s mayor, Andrey Sadoviy, who attributed the damage to Ukraine’s “national heritage sites” to Russian drone strikes.
“A major explosion rocked the house-museum dedicated to Roman Shukhevich. An early leader within the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, Shukhevich participated in terrorist activities and assassinations when Lviv was part of Poland during the interwar years.
“He went on to serve with the Nazi SS and later on led the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), which has been accused of extensive ethnic cleansing targeting the region’s Jewish and Polish populations. He died in 1950 during a shootout with Soviet counterintelligence..”
https://www.rt.com/russia/590013-ukraine-explosion-museum-destroyed/

Posted by: bevin | Jan 1 2024 23:47 utc | 144

Arch wasn’t being facetious about research , more a general comment to all that read the post. I guess after being thrown out of so many nations and the issues Israel even faces today it’s good to anticipate and have a few bug out locations ready. Why not live up the road from Hitler

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 2 2024 0:04 utc | 145

“We accepted the first battle with dignity. We did not back off. We went forward bald-headed. When we reached the position, we dug in there, and accepted the battle”
A quote from a young soldier fight for Russia with a difference he’s part of the first Ukrainians fighting for Russia to clear Ukraine of the nazis, The volunteer battalion named after Bogdan Khmelnitsky.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 2 2024 0:11 utc | 146

NAZI COLLABORATOR SITES BEING TARGETED IN UKRAINE
Two sites associated with WW2-era Nazi collaborators, who somehow managed to become national heroes in present-day Ukraine, got a little taste of karma on January 1st. It appears that someone couldn’t resist giving these sites a much-needed makeover. Talk about a New Year’s resolution to rewrite history! Well, well, well, it seems like the city’s mayor, Andrey Sadoviy, has quite the imagination! According to him, the damage to Ukraine’s “national heritage sites” was caused by those sneaky Russian drones. Who knew drones had a taste for historical landmarks?

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 2 2024 0:18 utc | 147

Posted by: golddigger | Jan 1 2024 18:42 utc | 119
They have experimented with fine-mesh net shells for 12 gauges, with mixed results. My favourite counter were the trained eagles, used by the Dutch prison service to intercept illicit ‘supply’ drones, they proved too expensive though.
Posted by: Milites | Jan 1 2024 21:53 utc | 137
We in the mineral exploration industry we use drones for lidar, magnetometer or radiometric surveys. Two years ago a bald eagle took out our $20,000 drone and it also perished destroying the drone in mid air in a steep dive.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 2 2024 0:18 utc | 148

Dima syas that Russia managed to destroy the first HIMARS system.
Why so late?
Posted by: zorge | Jan 1 2024 20:45 utc | 132

It’s not the first, they’ve likely destroyed double digits of them by now, but because of the MOD’s op-sec autism, you never saw evidence of it (pretty much no Tornado-S strikes ever get published).
Keep in mind how by this point there have been more episodes of M777 destruction by Lancets alone that have been published than there were M777s officially given to Ukraine in total. Presumably there were even more that were not published, plus various units that broke down, etc. And yet Ukraine still fires M777s and they still get destroyed (there was another one on video today).
How is that possible?
Well, very simple — they have been given a lot more than officially acknowledged.
We know that that is the case with many other systems — e.g. the non-MTCR Storm Shadows were never even officially acknowledged, and a whole bunch of stuff was first seen on the battlefield before it was announced (and some never was announced at all).
Why would HIMARS be any different?
There is this mythology that a mere 4 HIMARS units pushed Russia out of Kherson and Kharkov, and they were only ever given a dozen or so, and Russia never got even a single one. Complete BS. They were likely given 50 or so, and Russia has destroyed a quarter of that.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 2 2024 0:37 utc | 149

Lord Bebo
@MyLordBebo
🇺🇦🇷🇺🚨‼️ Photo shows military personnel in Kharkov hotel.
Russian MoD:
“A high-precision missile strike on the former Kharkov Palace hotel complex destroyed representatives of the Main Intelligence Directorate and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who were directly involved in the planning and execution of the terrorist attack in Belgorod.
There were also up to two hundred foreign mercenaries who were planned to be involved in terrorist raids on the territory of the Russian Federation bordering Ukraine.”
— On December 31, the Russian Ministry of Defense made a statement on retaliatory strikes for the tragedy in Belgorod.
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1741914009220080074

Posted by: Menz | Jan 2 2024 0:41 utc | 150

I looked into automatic shotguns and apparently an AK type has been on the market from Russia for some time. It may only shoot out to 150 meters or so but really it only needs to damage the light drone enough to throw it off course, these things are pretty delicate. At least it gives the soldiers something to shoot back with. It’s called a Saiga-12, look it up. 600 rounds per minute you don’t really need to be a sharpshooter and with a decent muzzle break it’s pretty stable.

Posted by: Peter Fenton | Jan 2 2024 0:43 utc | 151

Sorry it’s about 50 meters, but still enough to hit that suicide drone that’s coming in for your trench or vehicle. Only light quadcopter kinds of course…

Posted by: Peter Fenton | Jan 2 2024 0:50 utc | 152

by Milites | Jan 1 2024 21:53 utc | 137
Drone hunting has been on agenda since early 90s.
Octacopter carrier with 12 or 15 drone hunter-killer or a guided submunition has been demonstrated over 20 years ago.
I am cheering for some way to crate a laser cupola over battlefield that will fry whatever flies through it. Lasers generally might do the defense trick there, “porcupine laser beam module”.
Sure, why not?
Also preplanted EMP claymore mine alike systems might be a good defense there.
Russian EW methods do involve 3D real time mesh-networks mapping, with the source and receiver detection over the wide area are active, but those cannot create the permanent shield for a sustainable period as they depend on ground to satellite communication. Such priority identified targets are usually given to Pantsir, Osa or a Bukh, rarely shared with FPV and other drone units.
Also the idea of putting small radar system with Multifunction Phased Array Radar (MPAR) or synthetic-aperture radar (SAR) type on a drone could work better multiplying image and coverage. Those are inexpensive and are all-weather prone, so useful for a navigation through clouds and smoke.
Good ultrasonic sensors are cheap in comparison how useful those can be at the 7-12 meters range. Camera today just doesn’t cut it as a primary sensor in most of the cases, excluding FPV.
Things will just speed up. Miniaturization of the jet engine is the priority.

Posted by: whirlX | Jan 2 2024 0:56 utc | 153

ZH has a posting up with the title
Ex-CIA Officer Says Ukraine A ‘Sinking Ship’ After NYT Highlights Recruitment Crisis
the quote

“The fact that the New York Times is now reporting this tells you how bad the situation is. They’ve realized that this party is over,” Johnson told Redacted host Clayton Morris in the weekend interview, referencing this NYT report.
“It goes to part of another story that came out last week about members of the Rada – the legislature. They’re trying to get out of Ukraine. So to get out of Ukraine at the border you’ve got to show a passport. So no passport, no leaving,” Johnson said.
“The fact that the Ukrainian legislators recognize that the end is near, which is why they’re trying to get out, it’s like that scene from the movie Titanic. The passengers are moving one direction, the rats are moving the opposite way. That’s what’s going on in Ukraine right now. The rats are heading for the lifeboats.”

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 2 2024 2:28 utc | 154

Posted by: whirlX | Jan 2 2024 0:56 utc | 153
Apparently countering drones is a ‘wicked problem’, I.e. a problem that cannot be tackled by traditional sequential or logical approaches. The problem category ‘wicked’ also means it cannot be solved, only tamed. Seems the route most are going for is electronic and optical detection and electronic or direct energy counters, such as jamming, GPS spoofing, cyber-takeovers and HMP/EMP projectors. Kinetic solutions, like net cannons seem to have a lot of draw backs, though they could be mounted on vehicles as a last ditch defence, during the drones terminal attack run.
Some interesting reading on future defence trends.
https://www.afrl.af.mil/Portals/90/Documents/RD/Directed_Energy_Futures_2060_Final29June21_with_clearance_number.pdf

Posted by: Milites | Jan 2 2024 2:46 utc | 155

Posted by: Peter Fenton | Jan 2 2024 0:50 utc | 152
Slightly less than even your revised figure, military tests suggest between 24-36 metres, with even trained operators struggling to hit evading targets. Portable directed energy weapons, severing the drone’s control link, have a range of one Km.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 2 2024 2:54 utc | 156

by Milites | Jan 2 2024 2:46 utc | 155
Thank you for the link. Highly interesting.
Also good points you tackle there.
Those directed energy systems, however advanced, I have doubt in their robustness and sustainability, on the battlefields of Ukraine. Effective laser requires a lot of electric energy, with doubtful atmospheric tolerance. Air humidity vs. focus issues and such. So, with all those weapons the range is certainly an issue, adding the need for adoptive countermeasures such as shredded mirror leaves or a highly reflective paint, or reflectors to the most vulnerable parts. Also a tracking speed is an issue especially impossible with hypersonics and their fast Monte Carlo based maneuverability and navigation. Very expensive stuff to mass produce still, and if it really worked as advertised, it’ll be mounted on every second vehicle and a plane.
I really love that in some C&C games, as in ‘Warzone 2100’, there are some innovative energy weapons engaging enemy tanks and other stuff and turning them into the ally.
Electronic demilitarization might be the future of warfare, true that.

Posted by: whirlX | Jan 2 2024 4:15 utc | 157

Putin talked with the troops at a top-line military rehab hospital, then had an intimate chat, wine and a meal with some select troops at one of the government dachas, while Putin also delivered an address on the occasion of Russia becoming BRICS+ President for 2024. And to top the day, the Kremlin issued the plan for Russia’s 2024 Presidency of the CIS. Sorry for not posting this earlier, “New Year’s Day–Just Another Workday for Putin”. One short excerpt:

Do you guys have any questions for me? Don’t be shy.
A. Dublyanin: Comrade Supreme Commander-in-Chief!
In the course of a special military operation, we are liberating the Russian land. How do you feel about the help of Western countries to our enemy?
Vladimir Putin: The point is this: it’s not that they are helping our enemy. They are our enemy. They solve their problems with their hands. That’s what it’s all about. Unfortunately, this has been the case for centuries and continues to be the case today.
Ukraine itself is not an enemy for us. But those who want to destroy Russian statehood, those who want to achieve, as they say, a strategic defeat of Russia on the battlefield, are mainly in the West, and even then there are different people there. There are people who sympathize with us and who are with us mentally. But there are so-called elites for whom the existence of Russia – at least in its current quality, in its current size-they think is unacceptable. They want to split up. As a matter of fact, you are young people, some have read it, some have not read it-they do not hide it. They have been talking and writing about it publicly for decades, if we talk about modern history. For decades, they have simply written and openly talked about it: divide it into five parts, too many. I can tell you all about it until morning, but it’s obvious.
Therefore, they nurtured the so-called Kiev regime for quite a long time. It is precisely to create this conflict. Unfortunately for us, they have achieved this, created this conflict and are trying to solve their own task, namely, the task of fighting Russia, by the hands of the Ukrainians.
You probably see on the battlefield that they are gradually “deflating”. When a projectile flies, it is difficult to know whether it is “deflated” or not, but in general, you probably know that the situation on the battlefield is changing. This is despite the fact that the entire so-called civilized West in quotation marks is fighting us.

I added emphasis in several places when I posted this into my article but didn’t do so here as I want barflies to think about what they see as deserving that treatment.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 2 2024 6:09 utc | 158

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 2 2024 0:37 utc | 149

Dima syas that Russia managed to destroy the first HIMARS system.
Why so late?
Posted by: zorge | Jan 1 2024 20:45 utc | 132

It’s not the first, they’ve likely destroyed double digits of them by now, but because of the MOD’s op-sec autism, you never saw evidence of it (pretty much no Tornado-S strikes ever get published). …..

He CISPO – you again
I had thought ( despite my blunder with SMERSH ) that at least your lie about the MOD’s lack of publications about Tornado-S missions was ticked off
But here is this lie again
Countercheck:
google —> “tornado-s site:https://eng.mil.ru/en
BUT — it is really outrageous – MOD’s op-sec autism – they don’t give YOU evidence about destructions — outrageous
———————————————————————————————————
CISPO methods:
– Direct lies for the purpose of disinformation both of the domestic population and foreign societies
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– Simplification, confirmation and repetition (inculcation)
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and for your buddy zorge:
1. why doesn’t he disuss this with his beloved dima ?
2. even dima mentioned “… the first day of 2024 and the Russians managed to destroy the first himars system …”

Posted by: ghiwen | Jan 2 2024 6:23 utc | 159

Currently NATO stratotanker in South=Eastern Poland just North-West of Lavov, but on a Polish side.
Missile attack in Ukraine in progress, massive as it seems.
No ISR nowhere near the Black Sea. Or at least not traceable.
Leading Ukrainians and the World to a lie that Russia has weapons till Sunday and then it will collapse was a futile self-deception. Now they can start counting incoming stuff, running out of ink, I guess, halfway through.
From the Soviet psy-op manual from 1977 roughly interpreted:
“..always start to denounce the publicly claimed numbers by having accumulated 2 x or more missiles (assets) and than claiming or vigorously admitting having 2 x less, via press and domestic and foreign military magazines.
That way,the enemy will always make the wrong statistics having “a claimed” instead “a real” number, as a starting point. Counting fired missiles (spent assets) towards the wrong number, makes deceived enemy think that it is close to winning, therefore it opens up more prone to making crucial strategic mistakes while accelerating its false expectations.”
Nobody in NATO reads old Soviet manuals anymore.
Wasn’t Hitler, whining in his original calm deep voice and a fake Wien accent, about 35000 tanks Soviets had revealed, to some Finnish military dude? He could not imagine that and how come nobody told him about it.
So nobody in NATO is interested in what Hitler had to say about going to war with Russia and the deception Stalin pulled on Addi and ever since.
Nobody knows a real number of Russian anything. Even nukes. but in that case 20 or 50 more than declared. If RF admits number of whatever is XX to be talked about and published in wikipedias, Jane’s, reddits and such. The real formula would be resulting in having at least 3 times more that of the best experts guesstimate.
I just hope that Putin also has powers to pull brakes if generals and troops get too enthusiastic in moving forward, while annihilating Nazis and their infrastructures and personnel along the way.
To defeat NATO in being relaxed and assertive, creating 4-6 million refugees direction EU chokes the whole system, and regresses or delays any attempt of NATO strategical improvement.
So pour Talisker while waiting for the West to start screaming “The Russians are coming!”.
Expect a spectacle.

Posted by: whirlX | Jan 2 2024 6:32 utc | 160

@95
“Well I’ve seen drone footage where the drone is hit by automatic rifle fire, is that real enough for you? Re your charming personality, you have my sincere condolences”
Well an assertion and a diversion still does not a make rational proposal. Bulky equipment, bulky ammo , mere seconds (given range) to locate, aim and fire. But pip pip I’m sure those country lads could pull it off on a regular basis.

Posted by: Yarpos | Jan 2 2024 6:44 utc | 161

Allegedly 11 Kinzhals used in Kiev area, in addition to another massive missile attack all over the country. Nato target rich environment?

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 2 2024 6:52 utc | 162

📋🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Two Majors #Report for the Morning of 2 January 2024; pub. 06:54📍
🎯 The first day of 2024 saw constant strikes on the enemy’s rear facilities. After the AFU terrorist bombardment of #Belgorod, Geranium UAVs, including new modifications, have been operating in waves. Due to the relatively low flight speed of the drones, it is possible to achieve an almost constant presence of our strike drones in the Ukrainian skies. The intensity of their use is increased, they report serious consumption of the enemy air defence ammo, which reduces the defence of enemy facilities in the long term.
🔥 Tonight night explosions and work of the AFU air defence were going on in #Kiev, #Cherkassy, #Nikolayev and #Kirovograd regions. In the #Zaporozhye region “Geraniums” during the day hit the control points of the AFU. In the morning the enemy recorded the take-off of our 16 TU-95ms and 4 TU-22m3 aircraft.
▪️ In the #Kherson direction, the situation on the bank of the #Dnieper did not change. On 1 January 2024, the strikes on the enemy’s manpower in #Krynki continued, UAV operators destroy enemy personnel during crossings. The enemy launches drone strikes on our positions.
▪️ On the #Zaporozhye front the enemy has switched to manoeuvre defence, strikes with artillery, steadfastly holds the lines in the direction of #Verbovoye and #Rabotino. Our frontline soldiers describe the situation as a “push-and-pull”, but the enemy’s exhaustion has forced him to start preparing a second line of defence in the rear and to transfer reinforcements for this purpose.
▪️ From the #Avdeyevka sector, there were reports of fighting on the northern edge of the front near #Stepovoye and the Coke Plant.
▪️ South of #Maryinka, fighting near #Novomikhaylovka, several AFU strongholds have been occupied.
▪️ At Chasov Yar, the RF Armed Forces are continuing their offensive. There is a battle in the area of #Bogdanovka, #Khromovo, #Kleshcheyevka. No changes in the frontline.
💥 The enemy has intensified terrorist attacks on civilians. In #Kursk region, the village of #Troitskoye in Korenevsky district was shelled. Over the #Bryansk region, enemy UAVs were destroyed. The number of shells fired by the AFU in the #Belgorod region has equalled the frequency of strikes on the civilian population of the #DPR: about 200 munitions per day. Yesterday, the Nazis hit the settlement of #Krasnoye in the Shebekinsky urban district, a child miraculously survived in a room, and the settlement of #Bogun town in the Borisov district. In the #DPR 5 civilians were killed, 14 wounded. The Nazis are using MLRS, including HIMARS, and cluster artillery ammunition.
🎬 Successful hunt by our unit, which is tasked with fighting various enemy UAVs. Minus two Baba Yagas. One detonated in the air, the other was hit and crashed.

https://t.me/sitreports/20341

Posted by: Down South | Jan 2 2024 6:53 utc | 163

“In early 2022 Russia declared that it doesn’t recognize patents and copyrights of enemy nations. However little has been done to actually use copied western tech. This is an area with huge potential. Russian industrialists must invest in copycat industries replicating US and US allies’ products and processes.”
Original thinking is better if you have an educated and capable population. By all means copy what is worth copying, but better invent differently. This was done by the Germans in WWII, and it resulted in some truly exceptional developments. Was it not for the Germans the space age would not have developed as fast as it did. And the jet engine would have been far behind. And these are just a few examples.

Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 2 2024 6:59 utc | 164

Geran 2 drones used to deplete and expose air defenses again.
Meanwhile Simplicus noted on Twitter that Ukraine has over 1 / 3 of all western air defense complexes (over 500 of 1500 complexes).

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 2 2024 7:06 utc | 165

One of the videos from Kiev, looks like multiple successive explosions. Maybe SAM system cooking off?
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/44235

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 2 2024 7:17 utc | 166

Posted by: Down South | Jan 2 2024 6:53 utc | 163
Yup another large volume strike overnight, been a busy 2-3 days in that regard.

Posted by: knighthawk | Jan 2 2024 7:33 utc | 167

The Forbes article about Avdeevka is quite interesting.
Killing Russians by the truckload
Now I can already foresee the answers that will pour in. Propaganda ! Cope ! Pulp fiction by some American journos trying to pump Ukraine up !
However this article is corroborated by several other pieces of evidence which, taken together, form a coherent picture without a credible alternative (besides the tired, general tropes about Ukraine mobilizing special needs people or being outgunned 7 to 1).
– Dima, rather pro-Russian, has acknowledged serious losses by the Russians around Stepove and near the railway.
– Simplicius, also hardly an anti-Russian fanatic, recognizes that the FPV threat is serious and “near uncounterable” for now.
– Since end of October, the Russians have not made any meaningfull progress either in the north or the south of Avdeevka to close the pincers. However it is a fact that many pro-Russian bloggers, commenters or TG channels were buoyant at the time, going on a limb to predict an Avdeevka fall by the end of last year. To start with Dima, Weeb Union, and a smattering of YT channels which I strongly suspect have been created by Russian services or affiliates to generate a more information-friendly environment. Dima in particular has been particularly egregious, specializing in clickbait titles while being much more sober in his content. Par for the course I guess if you want to maintain followers headcount..
– Zelenski himself has made a trip to Avdeevka.
All these bloggers or youtubers constantly speak of advances without ever mentioning retreats. So the viewer is left to wonder why it’s now been 6 or 7 times the capture of Stepove has been triumphantly announced. It would seem, logically, that this means that at least 6 times the Ukrainians counter-attacked and chased the Russians away. Blasphemy ! Ukrainians are just 60-years old with no weapons and an acute shell hunger ! Inquiring minds are left before a riddle.
Now here also I can already hear this other, tired trope. “The Russians are just happy to sit where they are and transform Avdeevka into a killing field !”
The thing is, you see, this kind of trope is not borne out by geolocated videos or any, you know, actual evidence on the ground. These are just post-hoc rationalizations, often put out by the same people who the week before confidently predict that Russia will close the Avdeevka cauldron or merrily march to odessa, and who next week without a doubt will again go out on a limb if some random video shows Russian progressing 10 meters to the next treeline around Ocheretino.
It’s quite depressing actually. Not the Russian local defeats, which have to be expected in a war against a near-peer adversary, abundantly stocked up by Western arsenals. No, what’s depressing is seeing the absence of logic and echo chamber effect of pro-Russian commenters who stubbornly refuse to look at facts and continue clinging to sweet-sounding tales about invincible Russian heroes just mowing down 50+ years old and women without breaking a sweat.
Let’s ask another question which I have not seen asked anywhere in the pro-Russian blogosphere.
We have seen multiple videos of Bradley doing thunder runs on the perimeter of the coke plant. We have also seen videos of them hunting Russian troops around the railway. How come they can do it so confidently ? Don’t the Russians have total artillery superiority ? Where are the Ka-52s and their LMUR-Izdeliye ? Where are the vaunted Tornado-S (most furtive weapon system in history) ?
Two alternatives :
1) The Russians just enjoy getting killed on the battlefield and want to offer the Ukrainians a fair game by not employing their most advanced weapon systems.
2) The Ukrainians have a very strong AD network, have chased the Ka-52 away and destroyed a good part at Berdyansk, and of course do have a huge array of FPV drones with abundant supply. Judging by the facts on the ground, they have a slight advantage at Avdeevka, first evidence being the fact they have successfully held the russians in check for two months.
Now ask yourself honestly the question, which of these alternatives is the most realistic one ?

Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:23 utc | 168

Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:23 utc | 168
Well you can also ask yourself a question. Why am I relying on the internets and commentators, whose job is to lure you in, about facts on the ground? Am I maybe relying too much on anecdotal evidence they supply? Is it possible that I am – lightbulb moment – a consumer for these bloggers?
Also, of course there are cheerleaders on each side. It is a coping mechanism for something that is truly traumatic to witness. But not everyone does that.
Ukraine is supplied by half the world. Of course they will fight back competently, as long as there is money. Russia says itself that supplying Ukraine with money and equipment is just prolonging the conflict.
That the Russians cant take Avdeevka or any other city is exactly because of that. It is a real war, not an internet simulacrum.

Posted by: alek_a | Jan 2 2024 8:36 utc | 169

Now if you allow me to propose a contrarian viewpoint I will propose the following :
– Tales of Ukrainian despondency and shell hunger are for public consumption. In reality, the Ukrainians, with their american masters, are husbanding ammo and are concentrating it at strategic junctures. They are feeling a pinch, but it’s nowhere as bad as advertised and sufficient to repel Russians for a long time
– The narrative of Ukrainian funding running out is also bullshit. The deep state will find a way, you can bank on it. Do you think that they will simply throw up hands and let a 10-year investment go to waste ?
– The FPV threat alone ensures that Russians will not be able to make a breakthrough anywhere. As long as have they not found a mass, cheap answer, the only solution will be to slowly push out Ukie troops and hope to conquer land meter by meter. At the current rythm, it will take a decade.
– Western public will think as it’s told and will never seriously rebel against Ukrainian help. Taken relatively to economy size the necessary sums remain manageable. Even 25bil by quarter is manageable if Europe and the Usa pony up some cash. You can continue dreaming about the USD collapsing, but this has been regularly predicted since 2008, and, for now, ranks together with predictions of imminent Chinese collapse as the most consistently wrong forecasts over the next 15 years. Most people simply don’t understand how complex and tighly managed the system is.
I am willing to enter into 3 separate bets, for an amount of 50€ each, at 2:1 odds, that
1. Avdeevka will still be in Ukie hands by the 31st of march 2023
2. Russia will not advanced by more than 10 kilometers at any point of the front, relatively to the current LOC, by 30st of June 2024
3. Ukraine and its masters will not request a ceasefire and negotiations before 30st of June 2024.
Those are fairly generous terms. In fact, if you believe all the pro-Russian propaganda, I am almost sure to lose all 3 of them. If you are interested manifest yourself on this thread and we can exchange contacts and agree on a means of payment.

Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:37 utc | 170

Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:23 utc | 168
Strange that when Zelensky “visited Avdeevka”, there was a strong wind blowing but his hair didn’t move. Maybe glued on or the continuity girl missed out?

Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 2 2024 8:43 utc | 171


Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:23 utc | 168
Well you can also ask yourself a question. Why am I relying on the internets and commentators, whose job is to lure you in, about facts on the ground? Am I maybe relying too much on anecdotal evidence they supply? Is it possible that I am – lightbulb moment – a consumer for these bloggers?

Because some commentators are brilliant and do have some insights. The best one (on the optimistic side) being simplicius, who at least makes a considerable effort to gather facts and analyse them. It *is* possible to generate some hard evidence out on the compilation of anecdotal one, and the work of simplicius demonstrates it ; I have been particulary impressed and convinced by his estimates around shell production and KIA numbers. It is not a coincidence that simplicius strikes a decidently prudent tone nowadays. I don’t think he has ever said recently that Russia would ever take Odessa for example, something which is absolutely out of this world but which is regularly trumpeted by confident commenters. Just because Russia has to, you know.
Well, I could also say that I will definitely be a billionnaire one day because I badly need cash, so it’s bound to happen. However, that’s not the way reality works. Just claiming something has to be doesn’t ensure it will be, I thought that this kind of belief was reserved to 5-years old and under.
Besides, I do not buy this other tired trope that military strategy is such a complex and difficult matter that we ‘umble profanes are unable to understand any of it. It’s a bit more nuanced than that.
You CAN actually understand and follow the strategy of a genius mind. It’s exactly the same as following pro sport ; you can appreciate the genius of a Federer and understand why he is (or was) dismantling his adversaries .You CAN understand, even if you’re just a journeyman footballer, why the top football teams are better than the rest and what their tactics are. You CAN follow a chess match between two world-class champions and understand a posteriori why they did what they did.
Military strategy is no different. It is possible to a layman to understand why Napoléon, Manstein or Turenne were brilliant. What we cannot do is conceive such strategies or lead an army corps, but if you have a working brain and a good grasp of logics you will be able to decipher what they were trying to do. Claiming otherwise, as Martyanov is fond of doing, is just mumbo-jumbo, just like the Covid grand priests who were busy three years ago explaining us not to trust our lying eyes and basic sense of logic.

Also, of course there are cheerleaders on each side. It is a coping mechanism for something that is truly traumatic to witness. But not everyone does that.
Ukraine is supplied by half the world. Of course they will fight back competently, as long as there is money. Russia says itself that supplying Ukraine with money and equipment is just prolonging the conflict.
That the Russians cant take Avdeevka or any other city is exactly because of that. It is a real war, not an internet simulacrum.
Posted by: alek_a | Jan 2 2024 8:36 utc | 169

What you say is true. However there is too much fact-free fluff abounding on these threads, with people just happy retreating in their fantasy world and dreaming about the invincible Russian army just taking its time on the battlefield and enjoying it all the way while Ukrainians sit there shivering and in the dark, like lambs to the slaughter. You may laugh but this type of narratives has truly taken hold of a lot of times and cost us all (including me) a lot of time before slowly understanding that we were led on.

Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:50 utc | 172

Readovka –
Answer for Belgorod: an unprecedented combined strike continues across Ukraine.
From night until now, explosions have been heard throughout Ukraine . Enemy air defense often does not even try to intercept some of the fired missiles, which hit their targets without hindrance. There were hits on critical infrastructure facilities in Kharkov and Kyiv – in both cities there were power outages, warehouses and industrial enterprises were on fire, and secondary detonation of ammunition was noticeable in some of the facilities.
This is a rout.
It is not yet possible to estimate the number of missiles launched, but the current attack looks like one of the largest since the beginning of the Northern Military District, if not the most powerful. The strikes are so massive and occur at such short intervals that the enemy’s air defense is simply exhausted and is not capable of hitting all targets. We wrote about this when we were discussing the attack on the Ukrainian energy system: if you increase the density of attacks on a narrow list of targets, then the enemy defense will simply be overwhelmed by a wave of missiles, and the percentage of hits will increase sharply.
The scale of the damage is not yet clear – SBU censorship suppresses almost any mention of targets actually hit. The enemy posts photos and videos only of those destroyed objects that cannot be hidden from the general public, and the results of the work of their own air defense against civilian targets. But according to our data, over the same Kiev, the glow and smoke are visible throughout the city. Kharkov, the Kropyvnytskyi airfield in the Kirovograd region and military facilities in the Vinnytsia region also suffered.
Just pay attention to the number of civilian casualties, even according to the Kyiv authorities: only a few after dozens of explosions of powerful missiles with a warhead weighing hundreds of kilograms. And compare this with the indiscriminate shelling of Belgorod and Donetsk.
Someday it will dawn on Ukrainians that there is a direct connection between terrorist attacks against Russian children and spending the New Year holidays in basements without electricity or water. The sooner this logical chain is built and the sooner the Ukrainians ask their bloody clown for all their sins, the sooner the shelling will end and they will no longer have to accompany their men to certain death.

Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 2 2024 8:53 utc | 173

Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:37 utc | 170
Hmm well Zaluzhny thought he could hold Avdeevka for 3 months so bet 1 is too close to call.
I am sure you will lose bet 2, but I can’t be bothered to arrange terms 😀
Bet 3 is also too close to call.

Posted by: Tim | Jan 2 2024 8:54 utc | 174

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 1 2024 21:18 utc | 136
No worries, it’ll be interesting to see how things pan out. It’s Iranian sponsored so much of it will come down to what Iran is willing and able to supply given the geographical factors. NATO can simply wheel new equipment into Ukraine over the long EU border, no such luck for Iran in backing its Houthi allies, but that might not matter too much if the Red Sea can be blockaded by only a few tens of anti-ship missiles,

Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 2 2024 9:04 utc | 175

Hmm well Zaluzhny thought he could hold Avdeevka for 3 months
Posted by: Tim | Jan 2 2024 8:54 utc | 174
He also has “shot down” all 10 (ten!) hypersonics today and it’s not even noon yet. And all drones. Be sure to switch to cnn later today, it’ll be hilarious to hear them parrot the “absolute truth”!
And there must be something wrong with the retards, the internet today is full of explosion videos from Kiev. They’ve lost control on the internet censorship or what?

Posted by: rk | Jan 2 2024 9:42 utc | 176

Ukrainian channel Legitimny:

The missiles are hitting Kyiv, the Kyiv region and the Zhitomir region, and air defense/missile defense/radar stations.
Kropyvnytskyi, explosions. They hit the airfield (takeoffs/warehouses and air defense).
Some are flying to western Ukraine, deep in the rear.
As we can see, the target of the missile strike is the air defense/radar infrastructure, as well as the aviation infrastructure. Secondary targets are warehouses, hangars and possibly training bases, equipment assembly and repair shops and local “decision-making centers”.
Our source reports that they overestimate the number of “missiles fired” and even Daggers, so that against the backdrop of a huge number of arrivals, we can talk about 80% of downed missiles and even Daggers (although not a single one was shown).
All the debris found in Kiev are booster parts of air defense missiles (air defense/missile defense remnants). There were also downings, and debris fell on residential buildings.
According to our data, the real statistics are about 35% of the total number of missiles launched.
Take care of yourself and your loved ones.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 2 2024 9:46 utc | 177

They’ve lost control on the internet censorship or what?
Posted by: rk | Jan 2 2024 9:42 utc | 176

Blame it on mobilization.

Posted by: too scents | Jan 2 2024 9:51 utc | 178

Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 2 2024 9:04 utc | 175
UK and US is viewing ‘the houthis’ as something they might be able to get a consolidation prize out of. So they might gang up and send a bunch of missiles on ‘houthi positions’.
Supplying Yemen is a challenge for Iran. They can still use regular cargo ships and US/UK can’t touch them, the Houthi’s could have some anti-shipping teeth. Would love nothing more than to see a sinking British frigate in the gulf of Aden.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 2 2024 9:51 utc | 179

…. Drones are not wonder-weapons, they are just remote versions of existing weapons or platforms.
Posted by: Milites | Jan 1 2024 21:53 utc | 137

Precisely.
Pushing forward one’s own range of action while pulling back one’s own personnel. Every missed or overlooked opportunity to be counted in the lives and limbs of one’s own guys.
Being in direct competition with drones, infantrymen seem to have the keenest understanding of the matter

Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 2 2024 9:56 utc | 180

Copying is better than inventions when it comes to commercial gain. Copying has the advantage that the model has been researched and tested. This part is the longest in the timeline and costliest. All that can be bypassed with copying.
Russia is sitting on an industrial goldmine. It must copy US and other NATO inventions and processes as patent and copyright enforcement is ineffective against Russia. This is a rare opportunity to exploit this NATO weakness to profit at their expense.
China did that well in order to become the most industrialized nation. Since then innovation took over. Not before copying.

Posted by: Jason | Jan 2 2024 10:05 utc | 181

Video of Kinzhal hitting a target with a red-hot cone, debunking
a) Kiev shot down 10 / 10 Kinzhals
b) Kinzhal goes below hypersonic when re-entering atmosphere. It will bleed off some speed but it is still hypersonic
and confirming
c) Nato has nothing that can track or shoot it down
https://twitter.com/simpatico771

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 2 2024 10:10 utc | 182

Proper link.
https://twitter.com/simpatico771/status/1742105187525832984

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 2 2024 10:11 utc | 183

@dreaming about the invincible Russian army just taking its time on the battlefield and enjoying it all the way while Ukrainians sit there shivering and in the dark, like lambs to the slaughter. You may laugh but this type of narratives has truly taken hold of a lot of times and cost us all (including me) a lot of time before slowly understanding that we were led on.
Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:50 utc | 172
The only problem with your always sad attempts to write a few words with logic is that there is NO Russian army in Ukr, only some unlucky 5 soldiers that can only move when the enemy is completely dead and some medieval generals which cause more problems than they solve.
You conveniently “forget” the smo remains is only some (embarrassing) police action, with questionable results so far. If you ask me, I would keep a forever war outside the borders. I’m sure the smo will end relatively soon, 1-2 years, followed by normal war and complete destruction of what remains of Ukr at that moment and any nato country that will kamikaze next. With an appropriate amount of troops, like 500k or so. Then repeat, again and again. The path EU took will surely bring their own multiple Gazas and forever wars but inside their countries this time. Start preparing little Micron.

Posted by: rk | Jan 2 2024 10:17 utc | 184

At the current rythm, it will take a decade.
Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:37 utc | 170.
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That’s were you blatantly jumped the shark, Ukraine doesn’t have five years worth of men to press-gang never mind ten.
Other things you said have a scintilla of truth, but are overstated in a deliberate way.
Also Simplicius *has* mentioned that Russia will move on Odessa recently, but is obviously preoccupied current events.
Your a more verbose and sly doomer, but the negitive slant and gaslighting is consistent, as is Ukr/NATO boosting. As if we’re to forget collective NATOland’s recent record of dismal failures in war and festering socioeconomic issues & moribund political institutions.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Jan 2 2024 10:34 utc | 185

by Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:23 utc | 168
Yes. Ask yourself how much info coming from the front-lines is manipulated and filtered?
Then let us assume that we know around 20-30% of what is really going on is augmented with different quality of an expertise by multiple commentators, sofa generals, tube grafters and such.
So it is hard to call it reliable info, is it? So much stuff repeated, old video posted under new etc.
It is all together a salad with a very difficult task of separating vinaigrette from leaves. The front-line is 1200 km long, so do not believe the hype. Small tactical defeats do not have any impact on a overall combat protocol.
I have seen some Russian defeats, but it happens not so often and it is not spectacular as a reason for any alarm.
Crossing the river near Sieversk ended in total defeat for Russians, as they were shelled for 3 hours losing pontoon crossing and some equipment and people. Mistake like that never happened again. Same as with everything else. The war is a two way communication usually. Ratio is still at least 10:1 in RF’s gain at around everything destroyed. It is not getting better for Ukrainians and it never will.
Soon the discussion starts on how many missiles are there with Russians and how much do they have left.
That is top trolling from RF, mind you.

Posted by: whirlX | Jan 2 2024 11:04 utc | 186

Where are the Ka-52s and their LMUR-Izdeliye ? Where are the vaunted Tornado-S (most furtive weapon system in history) ?
Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:23 utc | 168

I’ve been asking myself that question for a while…

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 2 2024 11:38 utc | 187


Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:37 utc | 170
Hmm well Zaluzhny thought he could hold Avdeevka for 3 months so bet 1 is too close to call.
I am sure you will lose bet 2, but I can’t be bothered to arrange terms 😀
Bet 3 is also too close to call.
Posted by: Tim | Jan 2 2024 8:54 utc | 174

Well that makes it 0/3. Anyone else ? Come on. It’s easy money isn’t it ?

Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 11:45 utc | 188

That’s were you blatantly jumped the shark, Ukraine doesn’t have five years worth of men to press-gang never mind ten.
Other things you said have a scintilla of truth, but are overstated in a deliberate way.
Also Simplicius *has* mentioned that Russia will move on Odessa recently, but is obviously preoccupied current events.
Your a more verbose and sly doomer, but the negitive slant and gaslighting is consistent, as is Ukr/NATO boosting. As if we’re to forget collective NATOland’s recent record of dismal failures in war and festering socioeconomic issues & moribund political institutions.
Posted by: Urban Fox | Jan 2 2024 10:34 utc | 185

And why do you limit yoursef at Ukraine ? If there are not enough men, they’ll have Poland or the Baltic States enter the fray. And don’t tell me there are not enough stupid Slav peasants willing to get blown up for Washington. If anything, the last 2 years have proven you *can* actually make people believe *anything*.
I mean, you can’t have your cake and eat it. Either this is a war between Ukraine and Russia, or it’s a war between NATO and Russia. I believe it’s the latter, as evidenced by the last 2 years and the immense effort of the collective West in arming Ukraine. Logic dictates, then, that if the Ukrainian supply dries up, NATO will find cannon fodder somewhere else. And they will most likely succeed.

Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 11:49 utc | 189

Yes. Ask yourself how much info coming from the front-lines is manipulated and filtered?
Then let us assume that we know around 20-30% of what is really going on is augmented with different quality of an expertise by multiple commentators, sofa generals, tube grafters and such.
So it is hard to call it reliable info, is it? So much stuff repeated, old video posted under new etc.

Yes and no. What you say is true when looking at short-term events. Over the span of one or two weeks, the level of bullshit is so off the scales that it’s very hard to predict anything or state anything of value.
However when sufficien history has accumulated and you have a few months behind your belt, then some facts cannot be disputed anymore.
For instance it’s a fact that Russia hasn’t conquered Avdiivka, in 3 months of fighting. This cannot be disputed. It also cannot be disputed that they are suffering losses, which are not catastrophic but serious. Conversely, it can be stated with great confidence that Russia would have *liked* to conquer Avdiivka in less than 3 months. The resources they have invested is ample evidence of that.
The inescapable conclusion is that Ukraine + NATO is a worthy adversary, capable of interdicting an area 10 kms away from Donetsk and making life sufficiently difficult for the Russian army that they cannot capture a serious stronghold, but not really such a massive one. If they need 6 or 9 months to capture Avdeevka, how many months / years will they need just to reach the outskirts of Kramatorsk ?
Look it’s easy to say “war is difficult… Russians are progressing methodically.. Blah blah blah..” But the fact of the matter is that most pro-Russian bloggers did expect Russia to go quicker. Just to take this blog, I do remember very well bernhard predicting multiple times, after the fall of Popasna and after the fall of Bakhmut, that Russia would now go faster as it had irremediably pierced Ukraine’s second line of defense. Well here we are 6 months later, and as predicted by absolutely no one except – surprise ! – some well-known doomers like Slavskiy, Russia has not converted its Bakhmut or Popasna gains into something really meaningful.
It is all together a salad with a very difficult task of separating vinaigrette from leaves. The front-line is 1200 km long, so do not believe the hype. Small tactical defeats do not have any impact on a overall combat protocol.
I have seen some Russian defeats, but it happens not so often and it is not spectacular as a reason for any alarm.
Crossing the river near Sieversk ended in total defeat for Russians, as they were shelled for 3 hours losing pontoon crossing and some equipment and people. Mistake like that never happened again. Same as with everything else. The war is a two way communication usually. Ratio is still at least 10:1 in RF’s gain at around everything destroyed. It is not getting better for Ukrainians and it never will.
Soon the discussion starts on how many missiles are there with Russians and how much do they have left.
That is top trolling from RF, mind you.
Posted by: whirlX | Jan 2 2024 11:04 utc | 186

People have been bandying about these 10:1 ratios and 7:1 artillery advantages for some time. They may be true, but they have no bearing on the actual duration of the conflict. What history teaches us is that, as long as supplies are coming, countries can take extraordinary amounts of losses if they are willing to fight. And what is absolutely certain is that Ukraine does have safe and secure supply lines. And the reality on the ground proves that Ukraine is able to defend or delay Russian advances quite efficiently.

Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 11:59 utc | 190

Where are the Ka-52s and their LMUR-Izdeliye ? Where are the vaunted Tornado-S (most furtive weapon system in history) ?
Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:23 utc | 168
I’ve been asking myself that question for a while…
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 2 2024 11:38 utc | 187

Indeed. It’s maddening isn’t it ? I mean, I’m asking this without any irony. I cheered at the videos of Ka-52 blowing up Maxxpro columns in Zaporizhia in the first days of the counter-offensive. And here we see Ukrainian armored vehicles frolicking around a few hundred meters from Russian lines. I haven’t seen any pro-Russian expert able to explain this conundrum. Unless we accept the hypothesis that Ukrainian AD is so formidable that they have found an effective counter to the Ka-52 threat, scaring the VKS enough.

Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 12:01 utc | 191

Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 11:49 utc | 189
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The conflict is undoubtedly a conflict that was engineered by NATO with the aim of weakening and disabling the Russian Federation.
NATO is the military arm of American foreign policy in Europe.
Ukraine is therefore being sacrificed as the proxy for America’s ongoing quest for international military domination of the international theatre.
SACRIFICE is the operative word here.
Ukraine has been used and abused as America’s proxy, with enormous loss of Ukrainian life and the destruction of Ukraine’s already weak economy.
Thanks USA ……. NOT

Posted by: Engineer-John | Jan 2 2024 12:06 utc | 192

BTW it seems that cold weather affects seriously small drone flying. Donbass is getting below zero soon.

Posted by: Catilina | Jan 2 2024 12:30 utc | 193

Proper link.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 2 2024 10:11 utc | 183

Indeed it is, the nose looks to be white hot, what a sight.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 2 2024 6:09 utc | 158
Genuine clarity there.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 2 2024 12:32 utc | 194

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 2 2024 10:10 utc | 182
They admitted they couldn’t shoot down the Kh-101’s, so I doubt they have been successful against a missile with a far harder target profile, unless they’re really good at beating the odds.
Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 8:50 utc | 172
Odd, you talk about military strategy, but your initial post referenced an article that could have been penned by the German’s in ‘44-45. All the classic tropes are there: mindless Russians repetitively attacking and being slaughtered, use of emotive language, downplaying friendly losses by claiming a KO has to be a catastrophic kill, attributing success to soft factors, allied with better technology, revisionist history of previous events, all it really needed was a declaration of genetic supremacy. What was not discussed was the fact that the ‘elite’ 47th brigade, are now fixed in place, unable to move due to the repeated attacks being made in their Area of Responsibility (AOR).
As for losses, read my numerous posts about the Pandora’s box you open when trying to assess battlefield success by the metric of losses, bottom line, if they do not affect or impact the operational goals they are acceptable. The Russians lost the best part of 80-90% of their committed armour at the start of the German counter-attack in Hungary, in ‘45, but it was the Germans who were retreating a few weeks later, having suffered far less losses, but irreplaceable ones. Wars are not won by totting up and comparing points values, they are won when one combatant imposes their political will on their opponent, by way of military force. Russia is advancing, Ukraine is retreating, Russia is acting, Ukraine is reacting, Russia can absorb her losses, Ukraine cannot. War is about cold reality, feel-good narratives like the the Forbes article are invariably written by the losers.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 2 2024 9:56 utc | 180
Absolutely, if you have been lucky enough to talk to Allied WW2 veterans they rarely saw any German armour, but constantly talked about mortars, snipers and mines, their day to day ‘companions’.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 2 2024 12:52 utc | 195

Dima says that Ukraine is in very difficult situation but in the same time he is talking about huge Russian losses at the front line.
How to understand that? Sometimes I do not understand Dima.
I think Ukraine is still very strong. Vietnam was also bombed and it won.
There are so many people in Ukraine willing to die, just to feel western love.

Posted by: zorge | Jan 2 2024 12:56 utc | 196

Posted by: Catilina | Jan 2 2024 12:30 utc | 193
One of their many Achilles heels, meteorological vulnerabilities that can be exploited, there are no drones with an All Weather Operation capability (AWO).

Posted by: Milites | Jan 2 2024 12:58 utc | 197

Posted by: zorge | Jan 2 2024 12:56 utc | 196
This “western love“ is quite suicidal. Is that another one of those western values?

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 2 2024 13:01 utc | 198

And why do you limit yoursef at Ukraine ? If there are not enough men, they’ll have Poland or the Baltic States enter the fray. And don’t tell me there are not enough stupid Slav peasants willing to get blown up for Washington.
Posted by: Micron | Jan 2 2024 11:49 utc | 189
Come on, Baltics is six millions or thereabouts with pretty unfavourable demographics, a speed bump at best. The poles have been blocking border crossing with Ukraine, that they are going to commit suicide is possible but not guaranteed.

Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 2 2024 13:25 utc | 199

What is unusual in the destruction of the HIMARS MLRS in the DPR: analysis of the Military Chronicle
On January 1, a video appeared in which the M142 HIMARS installation comes under fire from the artillery of the Russian Armed Forces during counter-battery fighting. The exact date of the event is unknown, but the record allows us to make a number of important observations.
What?
As in numerous cases with the destruction of radars, air defense systems and other equipment, HIMARS is under the surveillance of Russian drones. There is no doubt that the launcher was detected in advance and was accompanied by observation equipment. In order to increase the accuracy of destruction, the launcher crew was allowed to stop, turn into a combat position and make a shot, after which a blow was struck.
What’s so unusual about destruction?
The place where the HIMARS crew arrives to fire a salvo is only 11.5 km south of Kostiantynivka. The defeat takes place near the H20 highway, along which the launcher, apparently, arrived for firing. The destruction site is located approximately 20 km from the LBS. Such an insignificant distance suggests that the HIMARS MLRS, which has long been positioned as an “elusive strategic-level weapon,” had to be transferred almost close to the front line. It is possible that in this way the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried to increase the distance firing in order to reach some important target in the rear of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. However, in the process, the installation was discovered and came under counter-battery fire. Presumably, HIMARS came under fire from the 9K515 Tornado-S MLRS. Given the characteristics of the Tornado-S rockets, the HIMARS could have been hit by a 9M544 cluster projectile. It includes 552 shaped charge fragmentation submunitions, and therefore there is a high probability that the HIMARS installation was destroyed along with the crew or at least seriously damaged, probably to the point of losing combat capability.
What else is important to note?
It is important to note that HIMARS was used during the day. Usually, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not take the risk of operating during daylight hours, and perhaps this indicates special circumstances that required risking such a valuable fire weapon as the scarce Western-made MLRS. In the video, HIMARS launches only one missile. Volleys in full packages from the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not been recorded for a long time. Perhaps the need to conserve ammunition and the reluctance to stay in one place for a long time have an effect.
Earlier, the Military Chronicle said that for the same tasks, self-propelled artillery produced by the United States and NATO countries began to be transferred closer to the front line, and the natural result of this decision was an increase in losses of this type of armored vehicles.
militarychronicles

Posted by: chop | Jan 2 2024 13:28 utc | 200