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December 26, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-318
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Now the commercial gaming industry is also mobilized in the USA proxy-war against Russia. Posted by: Et Norden | Dec 26 2023 10:53 utc | 1 Strana (machine translation):
Ukraine has about 20+ million citizens left. Half are pensioners or children. Half of the rest are women. That makes fro about 5 million men. Strana (machine translation):
How are Ukr planes getting close enough to launch missiles at Russian ships? I guess they’re easy sitting targets. Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 26 2023 11:46 utc | 4 SO FAR ECHO HAS AVOIDED MY SIMPLE ASSET CHALLENGE (bok,bok)
@Legitimnyi Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2023 11:51 utc | 6 “Also – call up 500,000 who dot want to fight and hand them weapons. Then order then into hopeless frontline positions. Who will die first? Likely the ones who give the orders. The scale of fragging will be epic.” Man, whatever Ukraine hit last night blew up real good. That was a massive explosion. Like many of us said, this war isn’t ending any time soon. NATO and its allies (Japan/South Korea) are still supplying arms and funds (and if you believe it warm bodies in the form of mercenaries). Posted by: bored | Dec 26 2023 12:35 utc | 9 Posted by: Et Norden | Dec 26 2023 10:53 utc | 1 Posted by: Jim | Dec 26 2023 12:39 utc | 10
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 26 2023 12:41 utc | 11 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 26 2023 12:41 utc | 11 “A landing ship is meaningless to the war” Posted by: Ed2 | Dec 26 2023 12:46 utc | 12 Posted by: Jim | Dec 26 2023 12:39 utc | 10 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2023 12:57 utc | 13 “They can get an occasional hit on a ship or whatever. Russia is definitely threading the needle in this struggle. They grow the domestic economy while essentially waging an increasingly broad conflict against the entire West. Posted by: Et Norden | Dec 26 2023 13:32 utc | 15 Yes Jim, there are plenty modern wargames for us armchair generals. Posted by: Et Norden | Dec 26 2023 13:39 utc | 16 reply to 2 Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 26 2023 14:02 utc | 17 The Ukes are not morons, once the ‘fog of war’ has lifted in a year or two they will understand they were nothing but patsy pawn proxies -they turn on the Empire and Europe. Posted by: HB_Norica | Dec 26 2023 14:02 utc | 18 b 2 Posted by: anon | Dec 26 2023 14:04 utc | 19 In Soviet times, they used to talk about the “Firewood Theory.” Posted by: anon | Dec 26 2023 14:14 utc | 20 anon | Dec 26 2023 14:04 utc | 19 Posted by: Cynic | Dec 26 2023 14:20 utc | 21 Ukrainian Air Force is stronger every day. They aim at Crimean bridge now. How long is chessmaster going to wait before he reslizes that there is no option left but the nuclear one. Posted by: zorge | Dec 26 2023 14:24 utc | 22 Ukrainian Air Force is stronger every day. They aim at Crimean bridge now. How long is chessmaster going to wait before he reslizes that there is no option left but the nuclear one. Posted by: Martina | Dec 26 2023 14:48 utc | 23 The more I see of this war, the war in Yemen, the war in Lebanon, the turkey shoot, land clearing, canal building, pipeline construction and stuff going on in Gaza and the war in Afghanistan and the regime changes that have happened over the past 30 years, .. etc. the more I understand media dominance is even more important than fly zone dominance.. the weapon of propaganda is more powerful, and less costly, than maintaining adequate Aerial Defense or raising powerful armies to defend from others or to invade others. Posted by: snake | Dec 26 2023 14:56 utc | 24 Regarding battleship sinkings. Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 26 2023 14:57 utc | 25 Ukrainian Air Force is stronger every day. They aim at Crimean bridge now. How long is chessmaster going to wait before he reslizes that there is no option left but the nuclear one. Posted by: El Oso de Los Llanos | Dec 26 2023 15:01 utc | 26 The destruction of the Russian ship at Crimea was one cut of a thousand cuts, given the time Russia has allowed this war to flourish. Wait for the Bum’s Rush, though. Or fight. Posted by: Elmagnostic | Dec 26 2023 15:02 utc | 27 If the Ukrainian air force gets an old used F-16, it technically is stronger, for the moment. Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 26 2023 15:04 utc | 28 The vid of the big booom-boom on the Rus ship even made Fox News but down past 0820+ in the hour. Still doesn’t change the fact that the Ukies have admitted that 20,000 of their kind are getting chewed up every month. Look at the nice shiny exterior of the car but don’t check under the hood or under it on what’s leaking on the driveway. Posted by: DakotaRog | Dec 26 2023 15:12 utc | 29 The loss of the Russian fully laden landing ship. A prelude to the imminent destruction of the Kerch bridge? Posted by: Elmagnostic | Dec 26 2023 15:20 utc | 30
These are non-MTCR compliant missiles. Under MTCR you’re not supposed to export missiles with range beyond 300 km to other countries. They shot this one from at least 370 km. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 26 2023 15:26 utc | 31 I see the Danes will now donate F16 to Ukraine I think they must be mad. Ukraine has lost the war, and that gesture from Denmark will be totally ineffectual and only secure that the Danes can be counted as an arch enemy of Russia. Further, they have just had the whole country signed over to USA troops, that will be stationed with unknown weapons and under American control and justice. In theory they can shoot citizens and not be held accountable. It is a clear violation of Danish law and sovereignty. Denmark is now de facto an occupied colony of USA, and on top of this madness, as if it was not enough!, they have decided to do away with the veto they had in the EU. Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 26 2023 15:30 utc | 32 @Et Norden. That this game company would stoop so low only tells me that they kissed the ring that pays its checks. Posted by: MoT | Dec 26 2023 15:35 utc | 33 It seems to me the real reason the TrollTeam constantly wants Russia to go nuclear is to build “cover” for when the US decides to use a mini-nuke. Got to blame Putin, no other script exists. Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Dec 26 2023 15:38 utc | 34 We shouldnt pretend that this war is over abd that Russia already won. This is just the begining. Posted by: zorge | Dec 26 2023 15:40 utc | 35 @ DakotaRog | Dec 26 2023 15:12 utc | 29 Posted by: MoT | Dec 26 2023 15:42 utc | 36 The strike on the Crimean port was entirely predictable and they will surely try for the bridge again. This is the premier remaining capability that Ukraine possesses to gain PR points and do some damage to the Russian side. Drone and missile attacks, and sabotage require few people to execute, and as long as the west can provide the technical means and the intelligence necessary they will continue. I’ve said as much several times. The f16s will be used to continue these efforts as best Ukraine is able to. Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 26 2023 15:45 utc | 37 Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 26 2023 14:02 utc | 17 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2023 15:46 utc | 38 “Let their Heads roll as the First King Charles’s did.” Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 26 2023 15:45 utc | 37 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2023 15:52 utc | 40 “The strike on the Crimean port was entirely predictable and they will surely try for the bridge again. This is the premier remaining capability that Ukraine possesses to gain PR points and do some damage to the Russian side. Drone and missile attacks, and sabotage require few people to execute, and as long as the west can provide the technical means and the intelligence necessary they will continue. I’ve said as much several times. The f16s will be used to continue these efforts as best Ukraine is able to. Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 26 2023 15:54 utc | 41 Britain has gone for broke in Ukraine. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2023 15:59 utc | 42 @ MoT, #36 Posted by: DakotaRog | Dec 26 2023 16:00 utc | 43 The ship was said to be loaded with ammunition and from the videos this seems to have been the case. Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 26 2023 16:02 utc | 44 RUAF claimed they shot down one or two of the Su-24 aircraft that struck the ship, btw. Apparently the strike was made with two aircraft from Nikolaev or beyond. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2023 16:06 utc | 45 That European midget monarchy was a default culprit in USSR in the 20th century. I foud that bordering paranoia seeing British hands everywhere. Perhaps they weren’t that paranoid after all. @ Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 26 2023 15:26 utc | 31 Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 26 2023 16:10 utc | 47 I’m surprised there haven’t occurred more frequent fragging of the press gangs. They deserve to be shot on the spot and they know it. Posted by: Fred777 | Dec 26 2023 16:11 utc | 48 LoveDonbass@40 Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 26 2023 16:12 utc | 49 Shadowbanned 31: What does Putin want to achieve with this war? If I understand it correctly, a long-term consolidation of Russia’s strategic situation vis-à-vis the West. You can’t achieve that with a quick victory, which he could have had long ago if he had frightened the Kiev suburbs with a few nuclear warning shots. Erosion and disruption take time, and he is giving the West the time so that it can feel the consequences of its wrong decisions – and not come up with such stupid thoughts again for decades to come. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 26 2023 16:17 utc | 50 We shouldnt pretend that this war is over abd that Russia already won. This is just the begining. Posted by: Martina | Dec 26 2023 16:23 utc | 51 b@10:55 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 26 2023 16:31 utc | 52 What the TrollTeam chooses not to realize is that each little propaganda victory, including Kerch Bridge attacks, causes little harm to Russia and only inflates Little Russian delusions of invincibility. The inevitable result: a longer and more thorough Little Russian defeat and a more thorough devastation of Western economies and military supplies. Posted by: malenkov | Dec 26 2023 16:36 utc | 53 No 2nd Amendment for the Uke people. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2023 16:37 utc | 54
The obvious question is how prepared are they for a nuclear exchange? One would think they would be in the highest state of preparedness, but so would they be in Crimea, and yet you see what happens regularly. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 26 2023 16:41 utc | 55 anon@1404 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 26 2023 16:42 utc | 56 “or whatsabbouttery of the Round Heads and Cavaliers in response to my direct accusations may be of interest to some not me.” shadowbanned@1526 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 26 2023 16:54 utc | 58 Circumstances of attack Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 26 2023 17:03 utc | 59 Little by little the Ukrainians would destroy Russian Black See fleet. All that while the chessmaster sleeps. Posted by: zorge | Dec 26 2023 17:09 utc | 60 According to the article, there are 30,600 Canadians fighting for the Kiev regime, although the article implied earlier that they were mostly there as death squad and terrorist enforcers. Posted by: wagelaborer | Dec 26 2023 17:11 utc | 61 Canuck@1549 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 26 2023 17:18 utc | 62 @LoveDonbass Posted by: Fred777 | Dec 26 2023 17:25 utc | 63 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2023 16:06 utc | 45 Posted by: alek_a | Dec 26 2023 17:26 utc | 64 Dakota Rog@1600 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 26 2023 17:28 utc | 65 DunGroanin | Dec 26 2023 16:10 utc | 47 Posted by: Cynic | Dec 26 2023 17:32 utc | 66 LoveDonbass @1637 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 26 2023 17:40 utc | 67 “there are 30,600 Canadians fighting for the Kiev regime,” Posted by: kupkee | Dec 26 2023 17:54 utc | 68 zorge @1609 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 26 2023 17:54 utc | 69 Alek @1626 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 26 2023 18:05 utc | 70
Posted by: Down South | Dec 26 2023 18:08 utc | 71 Posted by: Fred777 | Dec 26 2023 17:25 utc | 63 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2023 18:08 utc | 72
Posted by: Down South | Dec 26 2023 18:12 utc | 73 Forced conscription in Ukraine will lead to a civil war is the theme of a Drago Bosnic article in the current iteration of VT, Veterans Today. Citing several sources, including a former Ukraine presidential adviser, the VT article explores in some depth, the probable ramifications emanating from a thoroughly disenchanted Ukrainian public now in growing disgust with their “out of it” elites. Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 26 2023 18:18 utc | 74 Put your money where your voluminous mouth is! Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 26 2023 18:20 utc | 75
Posted by: Down South | Dec 26 2023 18:23 utc | 76 lets see…….. Putin inaugurated 3 new powerful naval ships. Posted by: golddigger | Dec 26 2023 18:24 utc | 77 One ship gets destroyed after two months, and all the doomers and nukers are out of their mind here, calling for WW3, nukes, etc. Posted by: MickoMitic | Dec 26 2023 18:32 utc | 78 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 26 2023 18:05 utc | 70 Posted by: alek_a | Dec 26 2023 18:34 utc | 79
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https://t.me/rezident_ua/20962 Posted by: Down South | Dec 26 2023 18:36 utc | 80
Sorge was arrested in October 1941. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 26 2023 18:43 utc | 81 We shouldnt pretend that this war is over abd that Russia already won. This is just the begining. Posted by: MiniMo | Dec 26 2023 18:43 utc | 82 A 3rd rate country like england comes to crimea And sinks black sea ship. Moscowa and now another ship with impunity knowing that cuck Putin will do nothing. What a loser. That will encourage pirate English race to rachet up. Unless Putin is removed by likes of strechkov of cassad fame, Russia is doomed now. Posted by: Sam | Dec 26 2023 18:46 utc | 83 @1 Posted by: Rutherford82 | Dec 26 2023 18:48 utc | 84 Russia claims it shot down the planes which attacked the ship. It also claimed to have shot down 4 planes a few days ago Posted by: MiniMO | Dec 26 2023 18:50 utc | 85 How are Ukr planes getting close enough to launch missiles at Russian ships? I guess they’re easy sitting targets. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Dec 26 2023 18:56 utc | 86 Canuck, Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 26 2023 19:02 utc | 87 Why Mention Britain? England is a 3rd rate country which plots all wars only because Putin gives too much respect to this anglo parasite race. Otherwise a patriotic Russian would have rightly bombed england with only ten topol missiles to annihilate that nation. Posted by: Sam | Dec 26 2023 19:05 utc | 88 Unless Russia start annihilating the real enemy which plots this and all wars, namy enish race, nothing useful will come out of the war even if Ukraine capitulate. Then england parasite will look for another vassal to fight her war against non anglo’s Posted by: sam | Dec 26 2023 19:07 utc | 89 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Dec 26 2023 18:56 utc | 86 Posted by: alek_a | Dec 26 2023 19:08 utc | 90 23rd Oct 2023. Posted by: Sam | Dec 26 2023 19:08 utc | 91 Posted by: Rutherford82 | Dec 26 2023 18:48 utc | 84 Posted by: anonposter | Dec 26 2023 19:13 utc | 92 @ aristodemos, #65 Posted by: DakotaRog | Dec 26 2023 19:14 utc | 93 bored 9 Posted by: John Schoonover | Dec 26 2023 19:29 utc | 94 Posted by: MiniMO | Dec 26 2023 18:50 utc | 85 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 26 2023 19:31 utc | 95 I see several people received diminished intelligence for Christmas. As Down South | Dec 26 2023 18:08 utc | 71 reported, the Ukies have strong and weak points along the FEBA, but the weather’s affect is omitted. RT’s report with video about the liberation of Maryinka remains on their main page; yes, the devastation looks like Gaza, https://www.rt.com/russia/589669-rt-inside-liberated-maryinka/ Canuck, Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 26 2023 19:35 utc | 97 All kinds of Ukie and Western outlets report that they “destroyed” a landing ship Novocherkassk. Could be true, but as was the case with THREE (in reality–zero) Su-34, let’s wait and see what will Russian side say. Novocherkassk is an old pr. 775 landing ship built in Poland in 1987 and if it was there in repairs, possible that she sustained the damage. We’ll see. As you may expect, the response will follow. Ukies are mourning the loss of Mariinka and, as is traditional now, needed some PR action to raise spirits. Wrong way to do it. Especially when two IRIS-M complexes have been taken out in the last 48 hours. Posted by: Martina | Dec 26 2023 19:43 utc | 98 “Gandhi liberated 320 million Indians from the UK without firing a single shot.” Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 26 2023 19:58 utc | 99 Rutherford. Posted by: Et Norden | Dec 26 2023 19:59 utc | 100 |
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