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December 7, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-295
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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https://t.me/rezident_ua/20732
Posted by: Down South | Dec 7 2023 14:28 utc | 1 Sonar had an interesting exchange Posted by: Newbie | Dec 7 2023 14:33 utc | 2 RUAF has captured their first intact Leopard 2 tank near Rabotyne. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 7 2023 14:34 utc | 3 https://t.me/legitimniy/16851 Posted by: Newbie | Dec 7 2023 14:38 utc | 4 I wanted to write something really bad about those people in kiew/lvov, but instead in just going to say: Posted by: Justpassinby | Dec 7 2023 15:30 utc | 5 It will be very dangerous to mobilise Kiev. Posted by: Augusto Pi | Dec 7 2023 16:48 utc | 7 This explains why in Kiev life goes on in such a relaxed way, whilst the poor, the unconnected, the naive and the bumpkins die for the rich girls in beautiful Kiev. Posted by: Newbie | Dec 7 2023 16:55 utc | 8 Posted by: Augusto Pi | Dec 7 2023 16:48 utc | 7 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 7 2023 17:02 utc | 9 Fait accompli?
Yes, soon coming to a theater near you, ‘memory holed.’ Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Dec 7 2023 17:41 utc | 10 Does anyone know how accurate the information on the legitimniy telegram channel is? If it’s even half true, yikes. It’s not looking good for Zelensky or Ukraine. Posted by: bored | Dec 7 2023 17:58 utc | 11 “In addition, Zelensky and his entourage, led by the Grey Cardinal Andrey Yermak, wiped out the opposition inside the country, destroying the traditional intra-elite system in which oligarchs organized party projects and elected presidents to suit themselves. Zelensky and Yermak created a power vertical unprecedented by Ukrainian standards, restricted to a narrow circle of friends. Posted by: Naive | Dec 7 2023 18:03 utc | 12 ‘Let’s see them try to call Russia a gas station’ – Putin Posted by: rpst | Dec 7 2023 18:44 utc | 13 The US Brand is getting tarnished in the Ukraine – looks like the Deep State will fold up their Ukrainian tent under the cover of the world’s focus on Gaza & avoid the Afghan taint of 2021. Posted by: Eric Blair | Dec 7 2023 18:49 utc | 14
Posted by: Down South | Dec 7 2023 18:53 utc | 15 @Down South Posted by: Tooting Boy | Dec 7 2023 18:55 utc | 16 @ Tooting Boy | Dec 7 2023 18:55 utc | 16 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 7 2023 20:15 utc | 17 US Brand is getting tarnished in the Ukraine – looks like the Deep State will fold up their Ukrainian tent under the cover of the world’s focus on Gaza & avoid the Afghan taint of 2021. Posted by: rk | Dec 7 2023 20:16 utc | 18 @DownSouth thanks for these updates; they’re a succinct way to keep up on the battlefield. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 7 2023 20:18 utc | 19 Re upcoming POTUSA election…during campaign & if/when Trump wins, watch the Democrats aggressively roll out the “see- Trump is/was a Russian asset, like we’ve been saying for years already” card. Probably do same for Kennedy. Posted by: pSi | Dec 7 2023 20:19 utc | 20 @ pSi | Dec 7 2023 20:19 utc | 20 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 7 2023 20:29 utc | 21 https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/94861
How likely is it that he will return to Ukraine? Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 7 2023 20:32 utc | 22 @18, Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 7 2023 20:40 utc | 23 Wonder when Putin will announce if he is running for re-election. The date of the election has been set which is what he was waiting on from what I’ve read. The west better hope he does as Medvedev won’t be as restrained as Putin… in my opinion. Russia has Putin and Lavrov, leaders and men of stature. The Us has Biden and Blinken, sigh Posted by: CTIGER | Dec 7 2023 20:44 utc | 24
Oh, they will still call Russia a gas station, because that is how utterly braindead they are. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 7 2023 20:45 utc | 25 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 7 2023 20:32 utc | 22 Posted by: CTIGER | Dec 7 2023 20:46 utc | 26 https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2023/12/on-lighter-note.html Posted by: chop | Dec 7 2023 21:12 utc | 27 In other words, it seems that Ukraine has another Christmas list that includes F-18, THAAD, American Helicopters and more. The delusion on these people is on another level. It’s a prime example of what propaganda can do on in short amount of time. Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 7 2023 21:25 utc | 28 Posted by: chop | Dec 7 2023 21:12 utc | 27 Posted by: Mike R | Dec 7 2023 21:38 utc | 29
The two situation have absolutely nothing in common. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 7 2023 22:09 utc | 30 A quite remarkable bit of news I just found. Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Dec 7 2023 22:25 utc | 31 shаdοwbanned is right. If we even consider the pact that was proposed back last year which is confirmed by pretty much everyone now (for some reason) basically offered Ukraine a sweet deal that considering the circumstances could be seen now as a potential defeat for Russia. Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 7 2023 22:31 utc | 32 Posted by: Mike R | Dec 7 2023 21:38 utc | 29 Posted by: bevin | Dec 7 2023 22:37 utc | 33 “..the truth is that they’re all “Israeli” assets. malenkov | Dec 7 2023 20:29 utc | 21 Posted by: bevin | Dec 7 2023 22:42 utc | 34 rk | 18 Posted by: Eric Blair | Dec 7 2023 22:52 utc | 35
Holy moly. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 7 2023 23:05 utc | 36 bevin | Dec 7 2023 22:42 utc | 34
Posted by: Seer | Dec 7 2023 23:08 utc | 37 Yup yup yup. Posted by: Surferket | Dec 7 2023 23:14 utc | 38 Posted by: Surferket | Dec 7 2023 23:14 utc | 38 Posted by: Naive | Dec 7 2023 23:59 utc | 39 From Sputnik’s interview with Larry Johnson:
He is very right there. It is a one way ticket, unless someone neuters the USA administration. Posted by: whirlX | Dec 8 2023 0:17 utc | 40 “”That explains why Milley turned out to be a sanctimonious fool who dreamed about “cutting throats” of those Russians. Any Russian officer stating that he wants “to cut throats” of American servicemen would be NSSed (Inadequacy to Service State–the last warning before being dishonorably discharged). I guess you cannot buy class for sore losers.” Posted by: Activist Potato | Dec 8 2023 0:26 utc | 41 https://sputnikglobe.com/20231207/austin-threatens-to-send-us-soldiers-to-fight-russia-without-more-ukraine-aid—carlson-1115465073.html Posted by: Activist Potato | Dec 8 2023 0:35 utc | 42 Posted by: Activist Potato | Dec 8 2023 0:35 utc | 42 Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 8 2023 0:44 utc | 43 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 7 2023 23:05 utc | 36 Posted by: theo | Dec 8 2023 0:50 utc | 44 It’s clear that Russias intention was never to dismantle Ukraine but to just eliminate the current regime which is illegitimate anyway. Posted by: Honzo | Dec 8 2023 0:59 utc | 45
Russia has the technical means and the resources to decisively and convincingly end this. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 8 2023 1:02 utc | 46
This is delusional. The terms of the deal were never made public and only leaked a year and a half later. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 8 2023 1:04 utc | 47 31 pay the oligarchs pay the MIC. Yeah I’m not afan of tucker or anybody but the guy nails it on that. Posted by: Hankster | Dec 8 2023 1:07 utc | 48
As we have discussed many times, and as none of the pro-Russian Western commentators seem to realize or dare point out (Paul Craig Roberts, who is not pro-Russian, and who I don’t have sympathy for at all, is the only one talking about this) Putin will too be at fault if we do get to a nuclear war. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 8 2023 1:24 utc | 49 From Ermak Telegram channel.
I guess Ukraine and Biden want to gain time to rearm and build new offensive capabilities for a renewed offensive. Anyway, that’s what they plan to sell to the US Congress. Posted by: Richard L | Dec 8 2023 1:29 utc | 50 “..This is delusional. The terms of the deal were never made public and only leaked a year and a half later…” shаdοwbanned | Dec 8 2023 1:04 utc | 47 Posted by: bevin | Dec 8 2023 1:32 utc | 51
No, I am not. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 8 2023 1:46 utc | 52 OT, but Hunter Biden is apparently being accused of something and being indicted of several felonies. Say hello to democrat candidate Gavin Newsom? Posted by: unimperator | Dec 8 2023 2:06 utc | 53 by shаdοwbanned | Dec 8 2023 1:02 utc | 46 Posted by: whirlX | Dec 8 2023 2:07 utc | 54 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Dec 8 2023 2:10 utc | 55 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 8 2023 1:02 utc | 46
Russia can now bomb the ports there.
You mean Asian with exceptions of Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, GUS? Posted by: theo | Dec 8 2023 2:53 utc | 56 @ 52. Posted by: Urban Fox | Dec 8 2023 3:10 utc | 57 by theo | Dec 8 2023 2:53 utc | 56 Posted by: whirlX | Dec 8 2023 3:12 utc | 58 Re: Posted by: bevin | Dec 8 2023 1:32 utc | 51
Dddd Posted by: Julian | Dec 8 2023 3:13 utc | 59 The murican elites and their sycophants are such a joke. God spare is from these laughable devils! Posted by: nook | Dec 8 2023 3:16 utc | 60
I hear your frustration. One expects a learning curve when undertaking a new project. I remember when Putin was going to China to practice martial arts. He has shown spirit, determination and courage when he stood up against the whole West in Donbass. Which country stood up against the US-Israel alliance to defend Gaza? None yet. Posted by: Richard L | Dec 8 2023 3:17 utc | 61 @ Julian | Dec 8 2023 3:13 utc | 59 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 8 2023 3:23 utc | 62 Posted by: whirlX | Dec 8 2023 3:12 utc | 58
I wrote except for my list !
let us call it the next kremel drama. I hope i m wrong and you are right Posted by: theo | Dec 8 2023 3:44 utc | 63 Dec 6 was Ukraine day of the army. RF trolled them with this light show Posted by: Hankster | Dec 8 2023 3:55 utc | 64 rk, Julian & Shadowbanned Posted by: Suresh | Dec 8 2023 4:14 utc | 65 🇺🇦🇦🇷 Zelensky will visit Argentina on Sunday to attend the inauguration of Javier Milei as the new president. Posted by: jean levant | Dec 8 2023 4:49 utc | 66 The Biden administration is openly threatening Americans over Ukraine. In a classified briefing in the House yesterday, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin informed members that if they don’t appropriate more money for Zelensky, “we’ll send your uncles, cousins, and sons to fight Russia.”/strong> Posted by: jean levant | Dec 8 2023 4:56 utc | 67 Shadowbanned says : “Had 2022 been done properly — meaning the groundwork having been laid out inside Ukraine”… Posted by: jean levant | Dec 8 2023 5:16 utc | 68 “If that happens, the one they’re going to get wiped out again, it’s going to raise the risk of this escalating into a nuclear conflict, not that Russia would initiate it, but that the United States, in desperation, is not going to have any other cards to play. That’s the real concern here, that the United States has convinced itself that it has a lot more capability than it really does,” Johnson concluded. Posted by: jean levant | Dec 8 2023 5:38 utc | 69 One point worth remembering. Funding Ukraine does not mean spending money in Ukraine. Obviously the armaments and training expenditure goes straight back to NATO countries, hence ultimately the US. Most of Ukraine’s administration is now done through Western consultants, so the money goes to them. The money stolen by corrupt Ukrainians goes straight to banks in NATO countries. Posted by: MFB | Dec 8 2023 7:04 utc | 70 For 25 years “The West” has been engaged in an orgy of genocidal slaughter across MENA that has left tens of millions dead. Over this same period Putin has brought Russia from a broken collapsed failed state to a superpower that can face down The Empire and win. Putin’s program is to stop the slaughter that has been ongoing for a quarter of a century. In 500 years Putin will be famous as one of the greatest statesmen of all time. Lavrov has conquered 2/3 of the planet with his diplomacy. Gerasimov has destroyed the greatest imperial army in history with losses of 1 to 5. Posted by: Tim | Dec 8 2023 7:17 utc | 71 ‘Let’s see them try to call Russia a gas station’ – Putin Posted by: Antiwar7 | Dec 8 2023 7:18 utc | 72 The warv is not over. The west, elite and common people, specially in EU are eager to hurt and defeat Russia. Posted by: zorge | Dec 8 2023 7:23 utc | 73 Dissecting the Washington Post’s “analysis” of Ukraine’s Failed Counter Offensive — Part 1 Posted by: chop | Dec 8 2023 7:39 utc | 74 It’s really not much use to us honest seekers of truth to be led by our noses to some limited hangout , gate keepers hostelry to sup from their insidious chalices. Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 8 2023 8:47 utc | 75 Posted by: Julian | Dec 8 2023 3:13 utc | 59 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 8 2023 9:31 utc | 76
https://twitter.com/onlydjole/status/1733042964128031172 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 8 2023 9:52 utc | 77
https://t.me/rezident_ua/20742 Posted by: Down South | Dec 8 2023 10:06 utc | 78
https://t.me/rezident_ua/20745 Posted by: Down South | Dec 8 2023 10:08 utc | 79 Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Dec 7 2023 22:25 utc | 31
this amount of crap is incredible !
BUT what he ( and his buddies ) don’t get , is: Posted by: ghiwen | Dec 8 2023 10:09 utc | 80 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 7 2023 20:18 utc | 19 Posted by: Down South | Dec 8 2023 10:10 utc | 81 Dima says that Ukraine managed to import huge quantities of FPV drones and that is already making an impact. Posted by: zorge | Dec 8 2023 10:11 utc | 82
Posted by: Down South | Dec 8 2023 10:13 utc | 83
What will have a positive impact for Russia is blockading the borders. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 8 2023 10:22 utc | 84 @ Norwegian | Dec 7 2023 20:32 utc | 22 Posted by: John Kennard | Dec 8 2023 10:26 utc | 85 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 7 2023 23:05 utc | 36
oh NO ! Posted by: ghiwen | Dec 8 2023 10:28 utc | 86
You have no idea what you are talking about. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 8 2023 10:30 utc | 87 And after the failure of the initial push, Putin had plenty of tools to block Western transfer of weapons, and thus escalation, but chose not to do so and to only invite further escalation. Posted by: James M. | Dec 8 2023 10:50 utc | 88 A single ammunition factory in Russia produces more artillery shells and tank rounds than the entire NATO combined.
A single Russian ammunition plant (one of several) is apparently on track to produce more shells than the entire North Atlantic Treaty Organization in 2024. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 8 2023 11:02 utc | 89 S has a new post and focuses on B’s last one (lack of funding probably until spring), porn fear as already discussed here, and a side dish of Putins Su-35 last trip. Posted by: Newbie | Dec 8 2023 11:16 utc | 90
https://t.me/rezident_ua/20746 Posted by: Down South | Dec 8 2023 11:49 utc | 91 Been reading and watching the usual indie media youtube pundits and all seem to be missing the real story behind the USA congress Ukraine funding “battle”. So, here’s my less than 2 cents: I’m my many years, I go back to the Vietnam era though I was a teen, I’ve never seen the USA congress not fund a military excursion and there were always “battles”, same old same old, but the money always gets appropriated in the end – every penny that the White House asked for. It’s all behind the scenes not on the stage. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 8 2023 12:13 utc | 92 Latest western MSM cope. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 8 2023 12:27 utc | 93 ‘Let’s see them try to call Russia a gas station’ – Putin Looks like Biden is desperate and will agree to demands by Republicans for funds for a border wall in exchange for 100 billion for Ukraine and Israel. Posted by: bored | Dec 8 2023 12:52 utc | 95 Any posters here who think they could have done a better job than Putin Lavrov and Gerasimov have an extraordinarily deluded view of their own abilities. Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 8 2023 13:02 utc | 96 Posted by: bored | Dec 8 2023 12:52 utc | 95 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 8 2023 13:07 utc | 97 Администрация Байдена рассматривает возможность серьезных внутриполитических уступок республиканцам, чтобы разблокировать законопроект о выделении денег Украине, Израилю и Тайваню. Республиканцы требуют в обмен на разблокирование законопроекта выделения средств на строительство стены на границе с Мексикой (фактически, это идея-фикс Трампа) и ужесточения миграциоонного законодательства. Обе уступки могут серьезно подорвать шансы Байдена на переизбрание. Posted by: rpst | Dec 8 2023 13:14 utc | 98 Good News:
The Senate blocked aid for Ukraine. Now what?(economist) Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 8 2023 13:28 utc | 99
Is that why Putin has now on several occasions admitted that “we should have gone all in in 2014”, i.e. what the deluded posters here who couldn’t possibly do a better job than him demanded at the time and ever since? Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Dec 8 2023 13:41 utc | 100 |
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