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December 01, 2023

Ukraine Finally Starts To Build Defense Lines

After wasting ten-thousands of men in hopeless battles the Ukrainian comedian has finally acknowledged that his army's performative 'counter-attacks' and hold-to-the-last-man defenses have made no sense.

Politco's Dreamer of the year finally calls for building defensive lines:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy called for a faster buildup of major defensive lines amid Kyiv’s stalled counteroffensive and concerns that Russia could attempt to take more territory.

Zelenskiy urged greater speed and efficiency in building defenses in a video statement on Telegram after a meeting with key military and security officials Tuesday evening. He encouraged local communities to pitch in and pledged to make money available for the effort.

“Our country will definitely have enough mines and concrete,” he said. He didn’t provide details on where the fortifications would be built or how extensive they might be.

It took the Russian army several months and lots of money to build its extensive defense lines in the southeast of Ukraine.

Zelenski has neither the time nor the money to build solid lines but he wants many of them (machine translation):

According to Zelensky, he held a meeting on fortification in all major directions – first of all on Avdiivka and Maryinsky, as well as on Kupyansk and on the Kupyansk – Liman line, in Zaporozhye and Kherson regions.

In addition, fortifications will be built along the entire border with Russia and Belarus.

"We will work with our partners to strengthen our defensive lines," the president added.

Earlier, Zelensky already spoke about a "special" meeting of the Stavka, where they discussed strengthening the fortification.

Comments Strana (machine translation):

This is quite a landmark statement. It sounds like an announcement of the construction of large-scale defensive lines-similar to the one that Russia has built in the south.

And more broadly, this can be interpreted as a transition to a defensive strategy, which began to be talked about more and more often after the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine actually stopped, and the Russians themselves switched to large-scale attacks.

But officially, the authorities do not talk about the transition to defense, and the main thesis remains that the APU is preparing to attack, and there is no deadlock (which even the commander-in-chief Valery Zaluzhny wrote about) at the front.

Zelenski called for private companies to build the new fortifications. In the context of Ukraine that means more corruption - lots of it - as government officials will ask for kick backs for any contract they may sign. Previous attempts of privately build defense lines had ditches that were too shallow and of little utility. Some concrete was poured but in the wrong places and shapes.

There were reasons why Ukraine failed last summer to overcome the Russian defense lines. It lacked the artillery support, air-superiority and sheer mass that is required to achieve that. But Russia has all of that - an enormous amount of heavy siege artillery (200 mm and beyond), a ridiculous superiority in the number of unmanned drones and manned fighter planes and lots of new contract soldiers. Any lines the Ukrainians can build will be overcome by superior Russian forces.

Yes, passing Ukrainian minefields will be difficult. But there are ways and means to do such.

Thanks to its previous lunatic attempts the Ukrainian army has lost too many men to hold each and every line. And while the Ukrainian army will have to defend everywhere, the Russia one can choose the one or two local fronts where it wants to breach the defense lines to pass through them.

What is planned now is too little too late to save Ukraine.

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It will be a hard, sad, cold winter in the Ukraine this year, especially for the soldiers in the trenches and the families of the dead.

Posted by: JimG | Dec 1 2023 14:25 utc | 1

The Armed Forces of Ukraine began to lose equipment inside the Avdiivka coke plant.

What It Means: An Analysis of the War Chronicle

On November 29-30, video footage of the destruction of Ukrainian military equipment in a tunnel under the railway tracks at the Avdiivka Coke Plant appeared. These videos may seem ordinary, but in fact they lift the veil over the position of the Armed Forces of Ukraine around a strategically important facility - the Avdiivka Coke Plant.

What is it about?

Two videos of the destruction of armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine inside the territory of the Avdiivka coke plant were published a couple of days apart. On one of them, the destruction of equipment is carried out by a LMUR missile, presumably by the crew of a Mi-28NM attack helicopter, on the other - the use, presumably, of a guided aerial bomb and the destruction of armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine inside a tunnel under the Avdiivka Coke railway track.

What should you pay attention to?

One of the videos shows a MaxxPro armored vehicle and an M2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicle driving into the tunnel. With a high probability, it can be assumed that we see elements of the 47th Mechanized Brigade, which was transferred to Avdiivka relatively recently. Through the tunnel in which the equipment is destroyed, apparently, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are organizing sorties and counterattacks in the immediate vicinity of the Avdiivka coke plant.

In addition, the tunnel allows you to cover the section between the railway line and the waste heap in case of an attack by the Russian Armed Forces.

What do these facts indicate?

Firstly, it is clearly noticeable that the elements of one of the most mobile formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are gradually being limited in maneuver. Before the defeat in the Avdiivka Coke tunnel, the M2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles of the 47th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed in the Ocheretyn area during the transfer, but the locking of equipment inside the Avdiivka Coke suggests that the situation is gradually beginning to develop in the same way as in the first days of the siege of Azovstal in Mariupol. Then the key element of the battle was also the blocking of Ukrainian equipment inside the industrial zone.

Secondly, it is clearly noticeable that drones, army and front-line aviation feel quite comfortable in the Avdiivka area and directly over the coke plant, which indicates the reduced capabilities of the garrison of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in air defense and electronic warfare, as the Military Chronicle told earlier.

Thirdly, at least elements of the 47th Brigade are no longer able to move safely inside the territory of Avdiivka Coke. This possibility was partially absent in the past, but now the situation has deteriorated. The mechanized formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have the initiative, control of the terrain is extremely limited, and if the risks of hitting equipment are high (since it is hidden), it means that counter-battery fighting, reconnaissance, and air defense to the north and east of the coke plant did not bring proper results.

What conclusion can be drawn?

The operation of the Russian Armed Forces in Avdiivka is still far from the final stage. There is fighting around the heights in the north, and the offensive is gradually moving from the south.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to counter the strikes of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, however, apparently, more and more mechanized units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are isolated inside the territory of the Avdiivka Coke and in the immediate vicinity of it.

The situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can be especially complicated in the event of a simultaneous breakthrough of the Russian Armed Forces to Ocheretyn on the northern face and the Tonenkoye-Lastochkino-Orlovka line on the southern salient near Avdiivka.

If this happens, then the garrison of Avdiivka and the units of the Ukrainian army located at the coke plant risk being practically surrounded, after which the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have to urgently choose the most acceptable of the bad options that the Military Chronicle talked about earlier.

militarychronicles

Posted by: coke plant | Dec 1 2023 14:30 utc | 2

@b
Indeed - Mercouris noted in his 11/30 episode that Ukraine appears to have shortages in mines even.
The Russian defense lines were built with, if I remember correctly, tens of thousands of contractors coming in from all over Russia along with their equipment. Does Ukraine even have either the equipment or the skilled labor, any more?
Even if these defensive lines were magically built - which, it should be noted, is an all or nothing proposition - you are absolutely right that defending them still requires capabilities and resources which very possibly are not in Ukraine's possession.
There are ever more stories about Russian tactical re-mining capabilities - "blocked out the sky" was one description. The artillery, air/air defense and manpower are also issues.
It seems Ukraine's Twitter war focus is now coming to bite them in the rump.
The question now is if Ukraine is merely on its back foot, or is Wile E. Coyote - 100 feet past the cliff edge, walking on air.
I strongly suspect the latter more than the former.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 1 2023 14:32 utc | 3

Pivot to a fresh new grift.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 1 2023 14:43 utc | 4

The armies of construction workers who would have accomplished these defensive lines are all in US and western Europe.

Strategy by fantasy.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 1 2023 15:07 utc | 5

Saying that you are going to build fortifications along the entire border of Russia and Belarus takes this into the realm of total fantasy. A Maginot line of more than 3000 kilometres.

Posted by: OnceWere | Dec 1 2023 15:10 utc | 6

"We will work with our partners to strengthen our defensive lines," the president added.

So send more money to build walls and fortifications ...

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 1 2023 15:23 utc | 7

It's just a cover for money laundering the billions back out of Ukraine, this private contractors constructing defense lines. You'd be lucky to forensically trace their economic threads halfway in a bird's nest of dummy corps on their way to off-shore tax havens. It's the last picking of the bones clean before the best morsels get left behind.

Posted by: titmouse | Dec 1 2023 15:24 utc | 8

Kiev going to import labour for this? We know they sent all capable men to the meat grinder, then turned to the crippled and mentally ill. Now, we’ve seen them dump pregnant women into the trenches.

So, are they going to mobilise the babooshkas to pour concrete under Russian fire?

Posted by: Patrick | Dec 1 2023 15:26 utc | 9

Hi,
I thought there was money for a defensive line given to Ukraine by the West-- but most of it went missing. Seem obvious that building a Ukrainian Surovikin line would be a top priority. Need to find the missing cash to do it!

Posted by: cj | Dec 1 2023 15:26 utc | 10

Zekensky has lost it.
Time to beg for peace.

Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 1 2023 15:27 utc | 11

The battle for Maryinka: the Russian flag on the western outskirts of the city
the situation as of 14:00 on December 1, 2023 | @rybar

A few hours ago, there were reports of a complete sweep of Marinka: the reason was a morning video with a Russian flag hoisted over a house on Komsomolskaya Street on the westernmost outskirts of the city.

Coordinates: 47.9455520, 37.4847957

Nevertheless, it is much premature to talk about the capture of Maryinka — the enemy still holds positions in the northwestern part. And a lot more work needs to be done to completely destroy the Ukrainian forces in this area.

The difficulties for carrying out assault operations are still the same: the city is now a solid ruin, which is perfectly visible from the air from all sides. The fighting actually goes from basement to basement — there are simply no other shelters in this area. This makes it difficult to consolidate on the borders taken.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine, however, have similar problems with the amendment that as the Russian Armed Forces slowly advance, it will become increasingly difficult for them to supply their defense centers in the ruins of Maryinka.

Posted by: Marinka | Dec 1 2023 15:31 utc | 12

"Thanks to its previous lunatic attempts the Ukrainian army has lost too many men to hold each and every line...."

this line and paragraph just about says it all.

instead of serious negotiations with Russia, Zelensky and his corrupt regime have wasted 100s of thousands of lives and 100s of billions $$$/Euros fighting an unwinnable war, in which it will now lose perhaps close to 40-50% of all its territory before the Russians are finally done with them all.

I someday soon expect that comedian m*therf*cker to be on his private plane to his chateau in Switzerland or villa in the Bahamas, and for the entire neo-nazi regime to collapse and cut and run.

Russia will have to clean up much of the mess and reconstruct a good deal of the eastern part of the country, and a rump state will be left perhaps for the vulture capitalists of Europe to devour. All a sad, regrettable and largely unnecessary chapter in European history.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 1 2023 15:35 utc | 13

A note of appreciation for Moon of Alabama followed by a farewell note:

Following MOA for the last few months has has helped me switch sides in the Ukraine vs RF SMO and strengthen my preference for a side in the Gaza vs Israel SMO.

1 Commentary on MOA about Ukraine and the SMO has led me to change sides and come down on the side of the RF and to realize that politicians like Lindsey Graham were sadly misinformed by Victoria Nuland et al and the State Department, who have proven their incompetence previously in Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan and lately have been shamelessly trying to defeat the RF using Ukrainian proxy war cannon fodder.

2 Commentary on MOA about Gaza and the Israel SMO has been much more rancorous and one sided, with insulting name calling (not permitted under the usage terms posted by b) for those who can appreciate the Israeli side and nearly all of those have stopped posting. The selective cherry picking of history by the rancorous posters has served to consolidate my support for the Israeli side,
(Anecdotal postings on MOA have confirmed that many Palestinians chose to leave Judea and Samaria in 1948 and now call that a "mistake.")

The day has arrived to delete my link to MOA and move on and await the outcome of the Israeli SMO and the RF SMO.

Posted by: william paul | Dec 1 2023 15:36 utc | 14

I would say this is the first clever move from their side.
They go into defence. The Russians are moving slowly. In the meantime The west produces new weapons for Ukro army. They may even win in that way.

Posted by: zorge | Dec 1 2023 15:42 utc | 15

william paul @14

Glad to see you go. Clearly the difference between Ukraine and Israel is that the Israelis are killing mainly muslims and christians which earns your applause.
It is not surprising to discover the same dark comprador forces in Indian society that killed Gandhi are now urging more killing in Gaza

Posted by: bevin | Dec 1 2023 15:56 utc | 17

zorge | Dec 1 2023 15:42 utc | 15

Are you acquainted with the US vernacular expression " ..in your dreams" ?

Posted by: bevin | Dec 1 2023 15:58 utc | 18

The day has arrived to delete my link to MOA and move on and await the outcome of the Israeli SMO and the RF SMO.

Posted by: william paul | Dec 1 2023 15:36 utc | 14

Good riddance!

Great you finally figured out "Ukraine side" is a steaming pile of imperialist shit, but that was pretty obvious like 10 years ago so...

As for Israel, if you still support the Zionazis and their hitlerian genocide remix, you're just trash. With that perspective it's highly unusual you ended up amongst the good people of the bar in the first place.

You're little cri de couer about how the bar let you down is just pathetic. Go emote to your imperial overlords!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 1 2023 16:03 utc | 19

I would say this is the first clever move from their side.
They go into defence. The Russians are moving slowly. In the meantime The west produces new weapons for Ukro army. They may even win in that way.

Posted by: zorge | Dec 1 2023 15:42 utc | 15

Hope springs eternal for empire stooges, I suppose. Meanwhile, there's this bridge in New York you may be interested in. For you, I give discount.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 1 2023 16:06 utc | 20

"They go into defence. The Russians are moving slowly. In the meantime The west produces new weapons for Ukro army. They may even win in that way".

Heavens.

The Russians are not going to play chess whilst the Ukrainians "rearm". They are clearly outproducing the entirety of NATO, forget the Ukraine.

There is really nothing that can be done for the West at this point. Plus, the West does not have the guts to stomach the massive societal reorganisation that comes with re-transitioning back to an industrial society ("environment", education system, plus these specialised blue collar worker tend to be socially conservative).

Put a fork in Zelenski. He's done.

Posted by: Augusto Pi | Dec 1 2023 16:29 utc | 21

William Paul @14 may be legit or not. Whatever, there appears to be no doubt that there are pro-Jewish plants and trolls on here - you know, the ones who attack or denigrate any poster who makes the bleeding, bloody obvious point that the only way to stop the murderous genocide by the Jews is by force, and the Arabic States are too cowardly to do it.

Of course, one can understand why they won't mobilize. As I've said before, if Iran had the bomb, none of this would be happening. But they don't, and we all know this gang of Einsatzgruppen gunmen running Israel will use their's to destroy Arab and Iranian capitals at the drop of a hat. If you don't understand that about them, you need to row a hundred yards off-shore and broaden your horizons.
To the plants and poltroon-crowd - Don't call me names for telling you the manifestly obvious. You won't fight or die for anything. But that's who you are. Always ready to close your window on Kitty Genovese.

Posted by: wilsonK | Dec 1 2023 16:29 utc | 22

Our source in the OP said that the Office of the President analyzed the format with the termination of Zelensky’s powers on March 31, 2024, when he loses legitimacy.

According to the Constitution, the powers of the President until the next elections are transferred to the Head of the Verkhovna Rada, which could cause turbulence in power and cause temptation for Stefanchuk, but Bankova has taken precautions against such a scenario.

The speaker of parliament is completely under control and must ignore this rule, otherwise he will be removed the next day, and the tame SBU will accuse him of attempting a coup.


https://t.me/rezident_ua/20667

Posted by: Down South | Dec 1 2023 16:36 utc | 23

🧩🇺🇦🧩 American transfer: Zaluzhny, Stefanchuk, Razumkov‼️

It is important for the White House to end the conflict in Ukraine as quickly as possible because:

✅ they understand that there will be no better opportunity than now, any delay will lead to a worsening of Ukraine’s situation, and they need it strong - to put pressure on Moscow in the future;

✅ it is important for them to preserve as many Ukrainian assets as possible, which will make it easier to service debts to BlackRock, which, according to the plan, should consolidate Ukraine’s obligations. The more factories and enterprises remain in working order, the easier it will be for external players to support Ukraine.

Therefore, the transfer of power from Ze, who does not intend to either surrender power or sign peace, must be abrupt in order to neutralize the risks of losing additional territories.

We have already written that Zaluzhny will act as a security guarantor, but the key body will be the Rada. That’s why Stratfor is meeting with Stefanchuk; a lot will depend on the speaker. In fact, many “servants” are guided by it, who will need to be convinced of the correct position at the “moment H”.

At the same time, Poroshenko really wants to become speaker and acting speaker. President, but the Embassy considers this option too risky. Pyotr Alekseevich has a very high anti-rating, which can have a bad effect on the mood of both military and civilians.

If Stefanchuk suddenly refuses to move towards peace, a replacement is being prepared for him. The only candidate in the Rada with a low anti-rating among the people can be considered Dmitry Razumkov.

The Americans consider the pair Razumkov (acting president) - Zaluzhny (commander-in-chief) to be the most optimal for the transfer.

An important factor is that Dmitry headed the list of “servants” in 2019, therefore he has influence in the faction and really enjoys respect among deputies.

To make the structure more stable, Klitschko (local councils) will join the tandem, and support will also be provided from Poroshenko (agreed) and Tymoshenko (she is not going anywhere).

At the first stage, a government of popular unity will be formed from the majority of factions, which should consolidate society for some time.

Let it be for now.


https://t.me/ZeRada1/16988
Colleagues gave an exact breakdown of US interests in Ukraine and why Washington needs a transfer of power.

Our sources from the OP said that Zelensky stopped eating any food at receptions during international trips, for fear of being poisoned.

Bankova is well aware that they can try to eliminate the president even without Maidan-3, which is why all food and water are tested for toxins/poisons.


https://t.me/rezident_ua/20661
Colleagues, we agree with your scenario about a possible scenario for a change of power in Ukraine, which is being prepared by Western institutions or TNCs, and the Office of the President is presenting this as the Kremlin preparing Maidan-3.
It’s not for nothing that the SBU is spying on the Soros.

Let us only add that Ukrainian oligarchs, Akhmetov, Fiala (Western curator of Soros in Ukraine) and even Pinchuk will play on the side of the possible “conspirators”. At one point, everyone will abandon Zelensky...

Zelensky's situation is getting worse. In fact, he never realized that he was just a pawn in a game where he was used and dumped when he became inconvenient. And he asks too much.


https://t.me/legitimniy/16808

Posted by: Down South | Dec 1 2023 16:40 utc | 24

Our source from the OP said that Zelensky agreed to the construction of defensive structures along the entire front line due to pressure from the West.

After the US Secretary of Defense arrived in Kyiv and had a tough conversation, Bankova agreed to support the position of Zaluzhny, who had been demanding to start this process for three months, but headquarters ignored him.

Ukraine will build defensive structures from Donbass to Western Ukraine.

The President announced this in his evening address.

According to Zelensky, he held a meeting on fortification in all main directions - primarily in Avdeevsky and Maryinsky, as well as in Kupyansky and on the Kupyansk-Liman line, in the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions.

In addition, fortifications will be built along the entire border with the Russian Federation and Belarus.

“We will work with partners to strengthen our defensive lines,” the president added.


https://t.me/rezident_ua/20665

Posted by: Down South | Dec 1 2023 16:43 utc | 25

Zelensky’s last line.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Dec 1 2023 16:43 utc | 26

The saying is "there's money in muck". In this case Zelebaby (Jellybaby?) is waiting for the next €50 billion from the EU, bypassing Hungary's veto, and the hoped for nirvana of transferring the $200 billion Russian asset christmas present to outstretched Ukrainian hands.

Never mind that it is too late, and the defensive lines cannot be realised easily by 75 year olds (exceptionally exempt from service) and children under the age of consentement (16?). Contracts will be made and advance payments given to various corporations, (Blackrock and Vanguard et al) followed by kickbacks, and premature repayments of debts to all and sundry.

A new green screen will be provided to Zelebaby so that he can enjoy his newly increased fortune in safety and be seen in any part of the visual world he wants to inhabit.
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michaelj72 | Dec 1 2023 15:35 utc | 13
"Chateaux" in Switzeraland are out of season, try thinking of Palaces.

Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 1 2023 16:46 utc | 27

Ukraine Weekly Update: may be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-cbd

Posted by: Robert Hamilton Camp | Dec 1 2023 16:48 utc | 28

"the bleeding, bloody obvious point that the only way to stop the murderous genocide by the Jews is by force, and the Arabic States are too cowardly to do it."

Hard to tell one advocate for violence from another.
BDS movement was canceled, I think?
If violence is the solution,
what's the problem?

Posted by: Not Ewe | Dec 1 2023 16:50 utc | 29

An awful shame they didn't sit down and talk.
Cretinous that they listened to the slime that is Boris Johnson

Posted by: jpc | Dec 1 2023 16:52 utc | 30

zorge @15: "They [Ukrainians] may even win in that way."

No, they'll just lose slower.

The only way the Russians lose is if Putin agrees to Mink-III or some such nonsense, or if NATO sends in a million troops. The thing is, NATO doesn't have a million troops, nor do they have the means to equip a million troops, so these are far-out hypotheticals.

You might as well get used to the Ukraine being a historical anomaly that will soon enough be corrected. That is, there will be no country called the Ukraine anymore. The only way anything will remain of the Ukraine in years to come is if they denazify themselves and commit to being a pleasant neighbor. If the Russians have to do all of the denazifying, then there will be no more Ukraine.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2023 16:54 utc | 31

“ Zelenski called for private companies to build the new fortifications. In the context of Ukraine that means more corruption - lots of it - as government officials will ask for kick backs for any contract they may sign”

I think this is the key. The NATO proxy war has now just boiled down to a plain and simple racket. Watch for more money - or ‘cowbell’ as Larry Johnson likes to call - being asked by Zelenskyy on more oversea shopping trips with his wife.

Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 1 2023 16:54 utc | 32

thanks b...

i like how oldhippie framed it - strategy by fantasy.... we see that in this whole idea of the west too with regard to nato and etc. etc..

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2023 16:54 utc | 33

zorge @15: "They [Ukrainians] may even win in that way."

No, they'll just lose slower.

The only way the Russians lose is if Putin agrees to Mink-III or some such nonsense, or if NATO sends in a million troops. The thing is, NATO doesn't have a million troops, nor do they have the means to equip a million troops, so these are far-out hypotheticals.

You might as well get used to the Ukraine being a historical anomaly that will soon enough be corrected. That is, there will be no country called the Ukraine anymore. The only way anything will remain of the Ukraine in years to come is if they denazify themselves and commit to being a pleasant neighbor. If the Russians have to do all of the denazifying, then there will be no more Ukraine.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2023 16:54 utc | 34

“ Zelenski called for private companies to build the new fortifications. In the context of Ukraine that means more corruption - lots of it - as government officials will ask for kick backs for any contract they may sign”

I think this is the key. The NATO proxy war has now just boiled down to a plain and simple racket. Watch for more money - or ‘cowbell’ as Larry Johnson likes to call - being asked by Zelenskyy on more oversea shopping trips with his wife.

Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 1 2023 16:56 utc | 35

So Zelensky just made a tour of the front, gave speeches to various groups in Kiev, and cancelled elections until the end of the conflict. Now he agrees to defensive posture. Then the rumors that Washington wants to change horses. The next couple of months will be interesting, especially as there doesn't seem to be much (if any) incentive for Russia to end hostilities in the near term. What is the position of the radical militias and their masters? A smooth political transition seems an unlikely scenario in any case.

Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 1 2023 17:01 utc | 36

@14

Zionist appreciate RF winning in Donbas, etc. Empire resources shifted to Zion.

You are not open to opposition to Zion/empire expanding in Judea

Posted by: paddy | Dec 1 2023 17:01 utc | 37

Military infrastructure funded by the empire is done by the construction arm of the MIC: Bectel, Kellogg Brown Root, etc.

To avoid graft the big profit contracts should be done in DC.

More business for the MIC, but no more ammunition expansion?

Kiev will still get their cut demand local shovel holders, and commodity sales

Posted by: paddy | Dec 1 2023 17:07 utc | 38

The concrete structures require a huge amount of cement. While it was relatively easy for Russia to ship tens of thousands of tons of cement in the Zaporozhye region, I doubt it will be easy for Ukraine/Nato to ship tens of thousands of tons to the eastern side of the Dnieper. They need trains and huge amount of cement trucks. The lines would probably be have to built somewhere on the west side or relatively far from the current front to be completed. Destroying cement mixing plants, diesel supplies and locomotives etc. all weaken this ability.

The lines must be supported by lots of artillery and mines, and preferably air force capable of continuous ground strikes to be effective in the same way as Russia. Ukraine does not have artillery or air force if they keep pushing the artillery forward. For example, AFU deployed one of the newly formed artillery units behind Avdeevka, where RUAF discovered a lot of new pieces and promptly hit them, causing a spike. Meanwhile, Nato has downgraded to 105mm artillery in Ukraine, probably due to running out of 150mm variants. Also, new ammunition shipments to Ukraine are almost predominantly 150mm shells.

Then there's the problem of mobilization. Mobilization goals have continuously fallen short, some quote reaching 20 % of set target. Ukraine has created some new laws attempting to fix this, but perhaps the effects will not be large. And they need to distribute between feeding Avdeevka garrison vs. forming new reserve to eventually man the newly created defense belts (wherever they will be).

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2023 17:09 utc | 39

Also:

The Ukranazis have built no fortifications in Zaporozhye and Kherson, and no new fortifications in the Donbass since the start of the SMO. They have lost the heavily fortified Artëmovsk, just today fled the heavily fortified Marinka (so heavily fortified that it held out for 20 months), and are quickly losing control of the heavily fortified Avdeevka. In other words, they lost or are losing all their major fortifications except for Chasov Yar, Ugledar, and the Slavyansk Kramatorsk complex. Once Avdeevka is taken they have no natural defences this side of the Dnieper tributaries. They therefore will either have to withdraw across a natural defensible barrier, maybe as far west as the Dnieper, or else they will have to dig in where they are. If they choose to do the latter, as is probable, they will have to entrench in the winter snows, under full Russian surveillance, drone attacks, artillery and aerial bombardment. I think it'll be a little difficult to pull that off.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 1 2023 17:11 utc | 40

William Paul 14

“The day has arrived to delete my link to MOA and move on and await the outcome of the Israeli SMO and the RF SMO.”

There are truths one likes and truths one doesn’t like. Our liking or not liking has little to do with the truth. The history of Zionism is well documented. Israeli apartheid and ethnic cleansing of Palestine for Lebensraum towards a Greater Israel is as plain as the light of day.

Israel and Zionists have played the victim card a too often and too well in covering up their own murderous intent. You do the same here. So F-off and take your feeble mealy mouth manipulation elsewhere. There is no sympathy for genocide here.

Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 1 2023 17:14 utc | 41

Jihadi Julian admitted the loss of Marinka but of course didn't say the obvious: the "formerly peaceful" Marinka was one of the places from which Ukranazistan shelled Donetsk ever since the nazi Maidan coup in 2014.

https://x.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1730570111239557401?s=20

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 1 2023 17:16 utc | 42

Несмотря на преждевременные сообщения о взятии Марьинки, стоит отметить.

1. Наши войска на многих направлениях сейчас владеют инициативой.
2. Есть хорошие зацепки для освобождения в декабре нескольких населенных пунктов - Марьинки, Клещеевки, Андреевки, Степового.
3. Есть перспективы дальнейших успехов в районе Авдеевки в целом.
4. Противник утратил инициативу практически на всех участках фронта и вынуждено переходит к стратегической обороне, растратив свои оперативно-стратегические резервы. Теперь активные ходы делает наш Генштаб. Результаты увидим в ближайшие месяцы.
5. Легко не будет.

Despite the premature reports of the capture of Marinka, it is worth noting.

1. Our troops now have the initiative in many directions.
2. There are good clues for the liberation of several settlements in December - Maryinka, Klishchiivka, Andriivka, Stepove.
3. There are prospects for further success in the Avdiivka area as a whole.
4. The enemy has lost the initiative in almost all sectors of the front and is forced to switch to strategic defense, having squandered his operational-strategic reserves. Now our General Staff is making active moves. We will see the results in the coming months.
5. It won't be easy.

Colonelcassad

Posted by: rpst | Dec 1 2023 17:17 utc | 43

wilsonK | Dec 1 2023 16:29 utc | 21

"Always ready to close your window on Kitty Genovese."

A lie goes round the world before the truth has its boots on

It’s a tangential matter, but the claim that no one called the police about Kitty Genovese’s murder is a false narrative created by the New York Times. From Wikipedia:

Two weeks after the murder, the New York Times published an article erroneously claiming that 38 witnesses saw or heard the attack, and that none of them called the police or came to her aid. The incident prompted inquiries into what became known as the bystander effect, or “Genovese syndrome” and the murder became a staple of U.S. psychology textbooks for the next four decades. However, researchers have since uncovered major inaccuracies in the New York Times article. Police interviews revealed that some witnesses had attempted to call the police.

In 1964, reporters at a competing news organization discovered that the NY Times article was inconsistent with the facts, but they were unwilling at the time to challenge NY Times editor Abe Rosenthal. In 2007, an article in the American Psychologist found “no evidence for the presence of 38 witnesses, or that witnesses observed the murder, or that witnesses remained inactive”. In 2016, the Times called its own reporting “flawed”, stating that the original story “grossly exaggerated the number of witnesses and what they had perceived”.

The point of the false reporting was to defame, not the murderers, but ordinary New Yorkers.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 1 2023 17:26 utc | 44

Posted by: rpst | Dec 1 2023 17:17 utc | 42

Thank you for the translation.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 1 2023 17:28 utc | 45

Zelensky’s last line.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Dec 1 2023 16:43 utc | 25

He's getting ready to snort that one too. Too many lucrative contracts involved.

Posted by: Constantine | Dec 1 2023 17:29 utc | 46

Posted by: wilsonK | Dec 1 2023 16:29 utc | 21

Considering how many Jews have risen against the Zionist horror show in Gaza and how many non-Jews have gone off the rail with their bottomless support of Israel (and no "concerns" about civilians change their true beliefs), you might want to revise your comment. "Pro-Jewish" posters or trolls means nothing unless is himself a Zionist troll who deliberately conflates Israel and Zionism with the entirety of Jews and Judaism.

Furthermore, posting about the Palestine issue without reference to the Ukrainian conflict should be directed to another thread.

Posted by: Constantine | Dec 1 2023 17:37 utc | 47

Well I would have thought the Ukraine is in a great position to build defence lines after so many Russian conscripts surrendered or ran away after being only armed with "shovels" - brand new only dropped once. The UAF have a head start after capturing so much "weaponry".

Seriously though, I doubt that - though fortifications are now very easy to build, cheap and fast with standrad construction machinery - [tip]and go long on barbed wire suppliers - that enough mines exist in the world (western part) to replicate the Russian defences that (helped to) defeat the UAF summer offensive. And anyway the Russians have fire and air superiority, and an over match in engineering resources. This was always going to happen and may have done already. It is really easy to dig in nowadays, especially in rear positions. But this delays, not averts the end. Some Nazi General in 1945 said he had never seen an anti-tank ditch that managed to stop an armoured attack.

I think this is more a change in narrative, than any real military initiative. Holding out against the Asian hordes. Bit like late 1944? That ended well for the bad guys....

Posted by: marcjf | Dec 1 2023 17:38 utc | 48

John Helmer's Dances with Bears is back in business with posts today on Russian oligarchs, Biochemical weaponry on Ukraine's side and Blockade busting in Gaza.
https://johnhelmer.net/
He's also finished writing his autobiography!

Posted by: bevin | Dec 1 2023 17:40 utc | 49

Trolls, always mentioned, are only bad because they use mass postings to make it appear a larger number of people take a particular position than actual, plus they waste the time of persons with views they oppose.

To me I like to hear what trolls have to say. Good insight to the battle plans of the people running things.

Lots post regarding Mercouris. His name appears in all these. He's a great example of not seeing the forest for the trees. Buys into a significant percentage of MSM and Deep State hook line and sinker. Also proof intellectualism and assimilation are unrelated. Use his facts to add to your knowledge base. Use his conclusions for entertainment.

Posted by: Matt | Dec 1 2023 17:46 utc | 50

Matt@49

I find Mecouris painful to listen to. A form of torture actually.

Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 1 2023 17:55 utc | 51

>> Ukraine Finally Starts To Build Defense Lines

Haven't they been building defense lines since 2014? Extremely sophisticated ones that Russia hasn't been able to break for two years now? In Avdiivka, Vuledar - and even new ones in the territories in the North they conquered last fall?

Posted by: Marvin | Dec 1 2023 18:02 utc | 52

How can you best defend a 3000 km border against an opponent who is superior in all respects? There was and is only one solution: for the country to find a leader who represents the country's interests - and not an agitator installed from abroad.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 1 2023 18:13 utc | 53

Ukraine should consider buying the Bar-Lev or Maginot Line from Isreal or France, respectively. Ihear they aren't using them any more.

Posted by: Mnunn | Dec 1 2023 18:15 utc | 54

I'm thinking of two possible big problems for Ukraine building fortified lines of defense. They are in essence one big problem.

Everything related to the construction will now be subject to Russia's recently improved and expanded aerial surveillance. And I'm assuming, given how poorly things are going for the Zelenskyy regime, that Russian has managed to enable a network of feelers throughout Ukraine, and they provide the Russian MOD with valuable intelligence. That information would dovetail with what Russia can get from its signal intelligence.

An enormous construction endeavor like the one Zelenskyy wants, one which uses a swarm of contractors, by necessity a hodgepodge of them, in contrast to the highly organized way Russia built their lines of defense, is going to leak the details of what they are going to do, and how they are going to do it.

Russia was basically unhindered by Ukrainian missiles, drones, and aircraft, during their construction of their lines of defense. Ukraine should expect the opposite, with Russia attacking all their heavy equipment with drones, and missiles possibly being used against the largest pieces of equipment, like portable cement plants.

A backhoe and bulldozer are easier to put out of action than a tank, just take out their exposed fuel tank, or the operators controls. Equipment and supplies moving on heavy trailers will be traveling at slow speeds, and can be picked off while exposed on the main roads that they would have to use.

The very act of construction requires men and machines to be exposed non-stop, for hours on end, day after day. They can and probably will be severely hindered by strafing runs of drones.

If Russia knows that the orders have come down for Ukrainian units to prepare to withdraw, then it can repurpose its drone operators to start concentrating on hindering construction of the Zelenskyy Line. Though of course retreating forces are very vulnerable when moving across open fields, so drones would get switched back to concentrating on taking out that equipment, and men.

Secondly, there will be the problems that Ukraine will face with their lines of defense that Russia didn't have to face with theirs, to any great degree, namely that of enemy drones and aircraft operating from overhead, and strafing or dropping bombs.

While Russian aircraft can launch their guided bombs from a distance, it would be a game changer if Russia can suppress Ukrainian air defense to the point it could send bombers down the length of trenches, and drop bombs from directly overhead.

But regardless, as Russian drone production ramps up they will more and more be able to dedicate fleets of drones to strafe Ukrainian trenches, and drop bomblets, with suicide drones taking out high value targets like command and communications positions, and any exposed heavy weaponry, or anti aircraft weapons or radar.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 1 2023 18:15 utc | 55

@ Marvin | Dec 1 2023 18:02 utc | 51

I believe all that construction was along the (2015) line of contact and was designed to keep the DPR/LPR in check in preparation for an eventual attack to recapture these regions. Likely defenses around some of the urban areas along the Oskil River have been strengthened over the past two years and there has been some attention to the northern border with Belarus and Russia, but no "defense in depth" has been set up to defend large areas west of the current line of contact. To do so would take a year(s) at least and a large amount of resources and manpower, and such efforts could be disrupted by Russia. Laying of new minefields is the cheapest, easiest, quickest, and most effective means available to Ukraine at this point.

Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 1 2023 18:16 utc | 56

I doubt that ... enough mines exist in the world (western part) to replicate the Russian defences

Posted by: marcjf | Dec 1 2023 17:38 utc | 47

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If the West had sufficient mines they could repurpose the explosives for artillery shells.

They have enough of one or the other or neither of both.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 1 2023 18:22 utc | 57

I thought B had already declared that Russia has won the war.

Posted by: Zargo | Dec 1 2023 18:25 utc | 58

It's hard to not hope someone in the Biden administration, or a warmongering Republican or Democrat in Congress, touts the upcoming Zelenskyy Line as being the first line of defense against Russia attacking NATO nations, and that we can look forward to a "Fortress Europe". Because that would translate beautifully when it made its way into the German media. ;)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Festung%20Europa

Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 1 2023 18:26 utc | 59

Posted by: Marvin | Dec 1 2023 18:02 utc | 51

Russia is in the process of breaking Avdeevka. it is the most heavily fortified i believe.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 1 2023 18:27 utc | 60

After constantly calling for a return to 1991 borders and the return of Crimea, Z-man is now talking about building defensive lines. Quite a change of heart. He answers to two masters, the US and the Banderites, whose expectations are more at odds every day. Looks like the US is backing away from its grand goal of Russian disintegration to an ostensibly more realistic goal of holding on to the territory that it has in its 51st state. Delusion is a stubborn thing and the great geopolitical minds in the US still believe that Russia will jump at the chance of a stalemate on the US's terms. What we didn't hear from Zelensky is just how far back those mighty lines will be constructed. Z-man will cross that bridge when he comes to it.

Posted by: Mike R | Dec 1 2023 18:28 utc | 61

Posted by: Marvin | Dec 1 2023 18:02 utc | 51
Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 1 2023 18:16 utc | 55


Not completely sure about AFU pre-war defensive belt. But obviously Avdeevka was the most layered and strongest with best underground infrastructure covering the entire area.

The reason why Nato built up Avdeevka was because they were expecting the Ukraine attack on Donbass for a long time. In fact, John McCain was on video telling in 2016 to the Azov battalion that "2017 will be the year of offense".

He was referring to Ukraine attacking Donbass, in the same way they were supposed to in 2022. But then Hillary lost and things were put on ice.

So they built Avdeevka because it was supposed to be the effective Nato base and HQ in Ukraine. The purpose was that Russia is forced to intervene in Donbass, and would limits its operation in the Donbass area. That means they would be fully concentrated and banging head against the wall in Avdeevka, which was the cornerstone.

Avdeevka is one of the last, how to put it, "imminently critical" objectives in Donbass area. Of course, Ukraine built those structures pretty much everywhere to varying degrees but nowhere as powerful as Avdeevka.

Now, Russia is tackling Avdeevka pretty much last, not first, as Nato expected, in the situation where the professional AFU is long gone and rolled over several times. Limiting operation in Donbass, and concentrating fully on Avdeevka would have been a huge losing strategy and probably resulted much closer to the Afghanistan (1980s) situation Nato wanted. Also it would leave most of Ukraine intact.

Since the country mobilization potential and harvesting it is increasingly difficult, then some sunk concrete tunnels don't make as much difference.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2023 18:30 utc | 62

They can stop Russia with fortifications. Even now Russia cant break defences of Avdievka or moves very slowly.
Ukraine has more then enough soldiers for this defence mode

Russia must not allow fortificar
tions to be built.

Posted by: zorge | Dec 1 2023 18:31 utc | 63

Yes, good news. Ukraine is going to a defensive mode, meanwhile...

Sofa General Staff

The Russian army has begun the formation of high-power artillery brigades, the main task of which will be to break into enemy defenses. The new units will be armed with large-caliber artillery.

The first high-power artillery brigade - 17th brigade - was formed as part of the 3rd Zaporozhye Army Corps. Several more similar artillery brigades will be formed in the near future in other army corps and armies in the special operation zone.

The brigades are armed with large-caliber artillery - self-propelled guns of 203 mm caliber 2S7 "Pion" and 2S7M "Malka", as well as heavy mortars 2S4 "Tulip" of 240 mm caliber. In addition, the brigades will include unmanned aircraft units to conduct reconnaissance and fire adjustments.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 1 2023 18:32 utc | 64

Maybe he eon't get it:
He is payed for offensive action, not defensive. No attack, no money - as easy as...

Posted by: Klaus | Dec 1 2023 18:32 utc | 65

Lavrov was asked about this report of Ukies going over to the defense during "Lavrov's Presser in the Lion's Den" at the end of the OSCE meeting in Skopje. His remarks at the conference yesterday are here for those who missed them, "Lavrov in the Lion's Den--OSCE Skopje".

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 1 2023 18:33 utc | 66

Posted by: zorge | Dec 1 2023 18:31 utc | 62

Fortification is a large force multiplier, which can make up a lot of other qualitative or quantitative deficiencies for defending side. Russia will allow Ukraine supply Avdeevka through choked and fire controlled routes with new troops as long as they want, when they can't it will end.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2023 18:33 utc | 67

I still feel the need to point out the disturbing tendency of the Russian government to try and prove to th world or the west that it is reponsible and not a trouble maker. It typically leads to a humiliating result.

For absolutely no good reason, Lavrov participated in OSCE's conference in Scopje. Even after all that has happened, they felt they should be present in events that are orchestrated to portray Russia as a pariah or to make a pretense that it is acceptable as long as it plays by the rules of their order.

First, the Bulgarian government didn't provide access to the Russian aircraft that carried the Foreign Minister of the RF through its airspace. Due to this humiliating provocation, he had to go to North Macedonia through Greece. Obviously, that was a precursor of things to come. As it happens, a number of officials left the chamber of the conference when he was about to speak. It goes without saying that none of that was impromptu, but well prepared.

It is just downright stupefying that the Russians fall for these antics time and again. And no, what will come out worldwide is the rejection of a top Russian official in a purported "neutral" event. The Russians score no points at all, as the event involved alomost entirely minions of the Anglo-American regime, while the western MSM - which are copy-pasted by so many news agencies in the rest of the world - would concentrate in the part that furthers their propagandistic message and frame it accordingly. So why do it?

Some would come with excuses for such a stupid and unproductive attitude, but in the end the reality is the one that people perceive. Unlike China and its impressive connections (and even this country is at disadvantage on the PR department vs the imperial west), Russia's reach suffers when the country appears to struggle to participate in the international political arena and then get spat upon. And that was exactly the aim of those who pretended to be interested in Lavrov's presence in Scopje.

One would expect that the western neo-Hitlerite propaganda against Russia and its people would affect its leadership more profoundly, but it still has a way to go. After so many pitiful declarations "we were deceived" from the Kremlin, one would think that it would get more defiant, but that just doesn't appear to be the case.

Posted by: Constantine | Dec 1 2023 18:58 utc | 68

Imo Zelenskyy has likely been handed some non-negotiable demands from the Biden administration. The AFU must prepare to defend itself from being swept off the battlefield in a humiliating defeat before the general elections can happen in America, on November 5, 2024. Just 11 more months!

Heck, if a humiliating defeat happened sooner rather than later then Biden might have to announce he wasn't running again, otherwise there could be chaos if he couldn't get to run unopposed, and the DNC had to allow debates, which would be devastating to the party as Biden's mental decline was exposed to the world.

The Zelenskyy Line isn't mainly about protecting Ukraine, it's about the MIC protecting itself from accountability, about having its massive failures under Biden becoming relevant to the questioning applied to a multitude of those aspiring to the Presidency.

The MIC has to maintain the status quo. Trump tied up in court, Biden the de facto nominee, and not taking questions. The Zelenskyy Line must hold!;)

Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 1 2023 19:04 utc | 69

Ummm what good are defense lines if opponent has total air superiority???

Wouldnt russia just bomb an entry point to oblivion and the defense line is toast?

Yeah mines are different but mines are not defense lines.

Posted by: Comandante | Dec 1 2023 19:08 utc | 70

The Zelenskyy Line isn't mainly about protecting Ukraine, it's about the MIC protecting itself from accountability, about having its massive failures under Biden becoming relevant to the questioning applied to a multitude of those aspiring to the Presidency.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 1 2023 19:04 utc | 68

Indeed. Some reports claim Lloyd Austin was in Kiev trying to offer a deal to Zelensky that Ukraine give up their dozer (or so) Abrams tanks in exchange for US providing them 28 Leopard tanks. If that's not protecting Raytheon's share price then not sure what is.

Probably part of the strategy to isolate Ukraine from the election campaign is also media black out, or news that everything is fine and Ukraine is slowly making tactical pull-backs. They could probably hide a fact of an asteroid hitting western Ukraine. In the worst case scenario they can memory hole everything in a couple of weeks, it seems to actually be progressing pretty far, because things are deteriorating faster than the slower progression required for the 11 month timeline to the election.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2023 19:12 utc | 71

Constantine | Dec 1 2023 18:58 utc | 67--

If you think Lavrov's participation at the OSCE Ministerial Meeting was a mistake, I highly suggest you read my two reports linked @65 above and then reassess what you wrote.

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Babel-17 | Dec 1 2023 18:15 utc | 54--

Yes, the Ukies will have great difficulty constructing anything in Winter. Ukie reserves are now the garrison defense forces for the major cities and they are now being committed to battle to try and halt Russia's forward progress, but many are being interdicted on the way to the front. The Ukie reality is there're no troops available to rush and plug a Russian breakthrough, and the density of their troops along the FEBA is very thin inviting Russia to increase their probing. And Russia has plenty of troops ready to be put into action when breakthroughs occur. IMO, Ukie frontline forces are aware of their vulnerability and more will opt to surrender versus die for a useless cause.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 1 2023 19:17 utc | 72

How can you best defend a 3000 km border against an opponent who is superior in all respects? There was and is only one solution: for the country to find a leader who represents the country's interests - and not an agitator installed from abroad.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 1 2023 18:13 utc | 52

Theoretically speaking, Zelensky was supposed to be the "responsible leader", unlike the previous stooge. After all, he was indeed described as "dangerously pre-Russian" simply because he initially sought to cease the confrontation with Russian and the internecine conflict.

It must be understood that the globalist Anglo-American bosses play their game with any tools available. Just as they used Obama and Trump, even though they were not their initial options for the office of the imperial figurehead, after fixing them through application of appropriate pressure, so they did with Zelensky. It's tempting to think that all these chumps were sellouts from the get-go, but the truth known to the imperialists is that they have to show flexibility. Use a whip and a carrot and you might get better results than the ones you expected originally.

Thus, Obama beat Hillary in the DNC primaries (the latter being the chosen candidate of the oligarchy), but they were able to turn him over and use his fraudulent "diverse" credentials to push for their goals domestically and globally qith spectacular success. Ditto for Trump after Clinton lost in 2016 (although Trump's inability to translate the virtue-signalling of the regime doomed him eventually).

Zelensky's Jewish origins and youthful appeal served the puppet masters well after they directed him in the "correct" course. As a prominet Ukro-Nazi put it, after his initial disgust for the election result, he realized the potential benefits of having Zelensky as president. Obviously, this was also the conclusion of the Anglo-American imperialists.

None of these chumps (feel free to add Bernie and others) were solid fighters against the establishment, but actual jokers. Still, there was a need to put them on the right track to continue with the expected imperialist chart.

As for the goals of the fortifications, the real one is to inflict as many casualties on the Russians to force the Kremlin into a Minsk-3 fiasco. The Instanbul Communique revealed a severe weakness of the Russian government when it is prone to panic.

Posted by: Constantine | Dec 1 2023 19:19 utc | 73

@william paul | Dec 1 2023 15:36 utc | 14

Good that you now support Russia in Ukraine. That was always Russian territory, but America thought that it was boss of this planet so could call the shots in Ukraine and got a good smack on the nose for its efforts. No-one is boss of this planet so long as a bear slumbers in Siberia.

In Palestine the land is Palestinian land, some Jews thought that they can colonize that land but are now finally getting some proper resistance. The Palestinians all along were convinced to run away rather than fight, notably by Egypt during those Arab Israeli wars in the past. The Egyptians told the Palestinians to vacate Palestine because they, the Egyptians, were going to destroy Israel. But Egypt was all along on the Israeli / American side. Anyway, now the Palestinians are finally fighting for themselves and not trusting their Sunni brothers. Hamas is actually doing quite a good job. If Hamas can keep it up for another 6 months Israel is finished.

Posted by: gT | Dec 1 2023 19:19 utc | 74

How does the Warren Zevon song go? "Send lawyers, guns and money."

This latest fantasy of building Rooskie-proof defenses presupposes that said Evil Rooskies are just going to sit on their hands. If however the ER use their satellites, drones and air control, they can just wait until significant quantities of men, machines and supplies accumulate and then send Mr. Kinzhal on his way. So the real purpose is to please "send [more] lawyers, guns and money" that we can steal before Ukrostan is as dead as Gaza soon will be.
Send lawyers guns and money . . . oh, and Boris Johnson. Please.

A note to william paul: how anyone can rah-rah for the zionist entity after seeing the rows of dead Palestinian children is beyond me.

Posted by: pasha | Dec 1 2023 19:21 utc | 75

by Constantine | Dec 1 2023 18:58 utc | 67

It is a lame provocation, more of a stunt made for Bulgarian inner politics added to some NATO apprentice vigor engagement. Both Macedonia and Greece are subordinates to a mother Russian Church already for years and it is not so easy to break that up. By flying there RF showed big balls, humiliating OSCE basically on RF's own turf. Add to it Serbia and Montenegro, that part of Europe is still pretty much 'Russian'.

by karlof1 | Dec 1 2023 18:33 utc | 65

Thanks for Lavrov's Summary.
He mentioned Moldova, and stirring up the trouble there. That is below the news, as many issues there are hidden under, creating a good reason to connect Transnistria to RF. Maybe? (yes, Odesa and Izmail)

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 1 2023 19:28 utc | 76

Yes, the Ukies will have great difficulty constructing anything in Winter.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 1 2023 19:17 utc | 71

Good post, and I'd like to hone in on that one point. While I wasn't a cement worker per se, during my tenure as a construction worker I sometimes had to work with the stuff, even on some bridge projects. None of that is recent, so maybe things have changed, and maybe when talking about rush jobs of emergency constructions of military fortifications, "the book" gets thrown out anyway.

But in my limited experience, when using concrete on a big job, the temperature when pouring it, and curing it, are both important, as is keeping the humidity of the surface just right, with water continually being streamed over it so the surface cured at the right rate.

We had some pours in cold weather, and one of my jobs was to check on the heaters that were used to warm up the underside of the bridge where the concrete had just been poured. Granted, this concrete was expected to last for decades, perhaps even close to a century, while the Zelenskyy Line would just have to survive a few years. But still, if you want your concrete to survive the impact of 200 mm shells, you better have poured it, and cured it, with some degree of thoroughness.

P.S. The larger/denser the structure, the longer the curing time, at least in my limited experience and knowledge of the matter. Concrete that hasn't had much curing time cracks much easier than otherwise.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 1 2023 19:32 utc | 77

@Constantine | Dec 1 2023 18:58 utc | 67

Until WW3 breaks out, Ukraine is merely an insignificant border skirmish, hence Russia has to engage in endless rounds of smiling baby kissing politics globally. Lavrov doesn't mind people blocking his flights and leaving the conference venues when he speaks, he knows that if he gets even one of the empire's vassals to defect to Russia or declare neutrality its one less enemy that Russia might have to fight in the future. So Lavrov is just doing his job and he is very good at it.

Posted by: gT | Dec 1 2023 19:33 utc | 78

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 1 2023 19:17 utc | 71

Karl, I'm afraid you conflate your own standards and your diligence in studying these events in terms of facts and statements with the image projected to the citizenry that empowers the western governments in their policies.

The presence of a Russian Foreign Minister in the OSCE conference didn't happen because some "independent" agency decreed so. You are obviously aware of that. The points Lavrov made in his statements will not be heard by any significant number of people. What will be propmoted is the rejection of the topmost Russian diplomat in an event involving an allegedly "independent" and "neutral" institution.

This is a reality created by the western media, but as long as it is eccepted by the citizenry it is the one that matters. Just as it was when litanies of falsehoods disseminated in the beginning of the War of Terror were perceived as a reality by the teeming masses who then acquiesced in the crimes to follow. Or the mass hysteria in the beginning of the SMO, created by a horrific western narrative that was borderline copy-pasted from WWII Nazi bulletins.

Posted by: Constantine | Dec 1 2023 19:35 utc | 79

Zaluzhny Talking Peace With Russia Behind Zelensky and Biden’s Backs: Sy Hersh

President Zelensky admitted this week that Ukraine’s counteroffensive failed to “achieve the desired results” and that Kiev is now in “a new phase” of the conflict with Russia. Meanwhile, Valery Zaluzhny, the general who enraged Zelensky by calling the crisis a “stalemate,” was absent from a Thursday meeting between the president and his generals.

Russia and Ukraine’s top generals have been holding secret discussions aimed at putting the Ukrainian crisis to bed, with Ukraine’s president, and the Biden administration, left out. That’s according to a new report by veteran investigative journalist Seymour Hersh citing informed US sources.

The negotiations, said to be spearheaded by Russian Chief of General Staff Valery Gerasimov and Ukrainian Armed Forces Commander-in-Chief Valery Zaluzhny, still have “a lot of questions” left to be ironed out, one source, a US businessman with years of experience dealing with high-level Ukrainian diplomatic and military issues in the government, told Hersh. These include what to do about war criminals, matters of citizenship, ordnance disposal, and cross border economics, as well wrangling to assure “peace with honor,” according to a second source.

Russian officials have made no official statements on the matter, and Sputnik could not independently confirm the veracity of this information at the time of writing. Moscow has repeatedly said throughout the crisis that Ukrainian membership in NATO would constitute crossing its security “red lines.”

Hersh’s sources also told him that Zaluzhny's bombshell interview in a British business magazine last month in which he admitted that Ukraine’s counteroffensive had reached a “stalemate” and that there would be no “deep and beautiful breakthrough” was “arranged” after Zaluzhny and Gerasimov had spoken several times.

The interview and accompanying op-ed written by Zaluzhny were “carefully orchestrated” by the Ukrainian commander to send a message to the Ukrainian government and the “madman who staked his life upon winning politically and militarily” at the helm that “the war is over and we want out,” according to a US official Hersh says was involved in the early stages of the general-to-general discussions.

“So the message that was sent to Zelensky is that we are going to have talks with the Russians with or without you and they are going to be military-to-military. Your neighbors are fed up with you, especially Poland and Hungary, and they want their Ukrainian refugees to go back to a peaceful country,” the official said. The state of Ukraine’s collapsed economy and the question of “how do you operate a country with no GNP?” was also driven home, the source added.

The US president and his foreign policy team have been left out of the talks, and “the White House is totally against the proposed agreement,” according to the US official who spoke to Hersh. “But it will happen. Putin has not disagreed,” the source said.

Zelensky has reportedly been told that “this is a military-to-military problem to solve and the talks will go on with or without you,” if need be. “We can finance his voyage to the Caribbean,” the official added.

Zelensky-Zaluzhny Spat

Hersh’s story comes after a month of escalating tensions between Zaluzhny and Zelensky after the publication of Zaluzhny’s interview and article in Western media on November 1, with Ukraine’s president first adamantly insisting that the conflict with Russia was “not a stalemate,” and emphasizing emphatically to US media that he would never negotiate with Moscow and Russian President Vladimir Putin under any circumstances.

The behind-the-scenes battle has come to include sackings of Zaluzhny allies, the mysterious bombing death attack of one of his aides, and a poisoning attack against Marianna Budanova, the wife of the Ukrainian military’s Main Intelligence Directorate chief.

On Thursday, Zelensky appeared to change his tune regarding the fate of Ukraine’s counteroffensive, saying it “did not achieve the desired results” as quickly as expected, that Kiev will be shifting to “a new phase of war” as winter sets in, and mobilize resources to build fortifications in Zaporozhye, Ukrainian-occupied areas of Donetsk, Kherson, Kharkov, Sumy, Chernigov, Kiev, Rovno and Volyn.

Meanwhile, Commander Zaluzhny was conspicuously absent from a meeting between Zelensky and his generals during a visit to a command post in Kharkov region.

One factor that the Hersh story did not account for is Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem. Veteran international relations expert Gilbert Doctorow told Sputnik this week that notwithstanding the political rivalries or conflicts in Kiev, they are just “a tempest in a teapot” given the power of the neo nazi thug “grey cardinals” mobilized during the 2014 coup, who can and will do everything in their power to block any peace deal.

Posted by: Hersh post | Dec 1 2023 19:37 utc | 80

Posted by: gT | Dec 1 2023 19:33 utc | 77

This "insignificant border skirmish" in Ukraine has seen Russia losing up to 50k in losses, maybe even more, in a country that was demographically gutted by a neoliberal onslaught. The RF has mobilized much of its industry to ensure victory in what is a critical conflict with NATO and NOT with a failed proxy state, the latter with close to half a million of its people dead and far more as disabled or permanently refugees out of the country.

English is not my native language, but describing this conflict as some border skirmish is the mark of utter detachment from reality or sociopathic callousness.

Posted by: Constantine | Dec 1 2023 19:44 utc | 81

Kind of shocking they weren't building solid lines this whole time. Best way to fight an enemy with a bunch of trench works is to build your own facing him

Posted by: Cresty | Dec 1 2023 19:44 utc | 82

Hersh Post@79

Well, that is interesting if true...

Zaluzhny theoretically has the power, with assistance from Russia, to reign in the neo nazi battalions - unlike all the other political hacks in the wings. There can be no agreement with Russia unless this can be guaranteed. The takeover would have to lead to essentially a military dictatorship with the Rada dissolved. The whole scenario seems a bit like hopium to me - but maybe...

Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 1 2023 19:52 utc | 83

Mike Mihajlovic argues that building these concrete heavy defense belts east of Dniepr river is a waste of time and resources due to currently occurring lopsided losses, and Russia is re-forming powerful artillery fists with the purpose of creating breakthroughs through lines.

There is one defense line that they don't need to build - Dniepr River. Building the field fortification in the east is just a waste of resources. Casualties of 8-10:1 seriously depleted the overstretched Ukrainian military so middle-aged men, and women will likely be assigned to these lines.

These lines need large quantities of troops to hold and even three or four lines in depth along the entire line of contact and borders, they can't hold for long if Russia finally decides to break through. The formation of the heavy artillery brigades is a sign that there will be sufficient firepower to be concentrated in any particular direction. Building the lines means that even during the construction troops allocated there will be under attack. It seems that it is turning like the Wehrmacht after Kursk - maybe remaining Leopards 1 & 2, Challengers, and Abramses (if the US is not demanding Ukraine to return them) will be used as Tigers and Panthers (which has an advantage of course).

In any case, the time is not working for Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/MihajlovicMike/status/1730613285857210715

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2023 19:57 utc | 84

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/general-to-general

"It’s been a rough couple of months for President Joe Biden and his feckless foreign policy team. Israel is going its own way in its war against Hamas, with renewed bombing in Gaza, and the American public is bitterly divided, all of which is reflected in polls that continue to be unfavorable to the White House.

Meanwhile, the president and his foreign policy aides have also been left on the outside as serious peace talks between Russia and Ukraine have rapidly gained momentum.

“Everyone in Europe is talking about this”—the peace talks—an American businessman who spent years dealing with high-level Ukrainian diplomatic and military issues in the government told me earlier this week. “But there are lots of questions between a ceasefire and a settlement.” The veteran journalist Anataol Lieven wrote this week that the battlefield situation in Ukraine and thus “a ceasefire and negotiations for a peace settlement are becoming more and more necessary for Ukraine.” He said that it was “exceptionally difficult” for the Ukrainian government headed by Volodymyr Zelensky to agree to talks, given its repeated refusal to negotiate with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The driving force of those talks has not been Washington or Moscow, or Biden or Putin, but instead the two high-ranking generals who run the war, Valery Gerasimov of Russia and Valery Zaluzhny of Ukraine."

Posted by: Hersh post | Dec 1 2023 20:07 utc | 85

Zelensky's apparent change of strategy from "counter-attacks" and reconquering territory may be nothing more than yet another attempt to get more money and more weapons out of the West.

Do people seriously believe that once he is given all or most of what he wants, his govt will actually build defensive fortifications? It is more likely that Zelensky will revert to the old failed strategy after he and his cronies have taken their cut.

Even the issue of building defensive fortifications will be problematic as Zelensky's govt and the AFU generals will be disagreeing on where to build them. The AFU will prefer to exercise caution and build them in areas closer to Kiev. Zelensky is likely to insist on building them closer to Russian-held areas if he thinks there is a chance of launching a new counter-attack into Kherson oblast or the Donbass region.

One trusts that the Russians will see Zelensky's apparent change of heart for what it is - and roll their eyes snickering at the brazen thinking behind it.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 1 2023 20:10 utc | 86

The ingredient that triggered the private talks is a shared understanding that Putin would not object to a settlement that fixed borders according to where the troops were in place when the peace talks ended. Russia would be left with unchallenged control of Crimea and, pending an election to be held under martial law in March, with essential control of the four provinces, or oblasts, that Russia annexed last year: Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and the still embattled Kherson. In return—in a concession not foreseen—Russia, that is, Putin himself, would not object to Ukraine joining NATO.

In a November 1 interview in the Economist: Valery Zaluzhny, commander-in-chief of the Ukraine army, stunned the editors by acknowledging that his war with Russia is “into a stalemate. It would take a massive technological leap to break the deadlock.” The general revealed that his troops had advanced by less than eleven miles since the much advertised Ukrainian counteroffensive against Russia got under way early last summer. “There will be most likely no deep and beautiful breakthrough,” Zaluzhny said. “The simple fact is that we see everything that the enemy is doing and they see everything we are doing. In order for us to break this deadlock we need something new, like the gunpowder which the Chinese invented and which we are still using to kill each other.”

The interview made headlines around the world—it’s news when the general running a war announces the war is deadlocked—and, of course, it enraged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, and the general publicly apologized for his remarks.

But Zelensky is still running the country, and it is known in some quarters in Europe that Russia and Ukraine are now engaged in serious peace talks. Zelensky is resisting such talks and has announced he will seek re-election on a platform that calls for a full withdrawal of Russia from Ukraine before any peace talks can resume. The country is currently under martial law, so elections cannot take place. Zelensky continues to mobilize troops for the Ukrainian army, with a reported new call-up of those between the ages of seventeen and seventy.

There must be a backstory when a commanding general tells a prominent magazine that his and Russia’s army are locked in a stalemate. And here it is, as told to me by two Americans with direct knowledge of these matters.

The interview with the Economist was arranged, as the editors of the magazine were not aware, after a series of general-to-general communications with Valery Gerasimov, who has been the chief of the general staff of Russia’s military since 2012. He is also Russia’s first deputy minister of defense. Gerasimov was especially close to US Army General Martin Dempsey, who served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President Barack Obama from 2011 to 2015. Dempsey and Gerasimov initially met many years earlier at social events when both were captains and commanded opposite tank units in West and East Germany.

One American official involved early on in the general-to-general talks told me: “This was not a spur-of-the-moment event,” he said. “This was carefully orchestrated by Zaluzhny. The message was the war is over and we want out. To continue it would destroy the next generation of the citizens of Ukraine.”

The official acknowledged that “there is no question” that Zaluzhny “had some help in deciding to go public from some key Americans.”

“What was the objective of this amazing story?” the official asked. “To get the Ukraine leadership”—meaning Zelensky and his coterie—“to agree to a settlement and to realize that to continue the war was self-destructive.” He said that there was what he called “a bigger objective”: to get the Ukrainian citizenry “to the point where they would agree to negotiations” to end the war.

Meanwhile, on the Russian side, the official said, “Gerasimov also realized that from a military perspective the war in Ukraine was a destructive stalemate.” The Russian general “finally convinced Putin that there was no victory to be had. The Russian losses were disproportionate.

“But how to convince Zelensky?” the official said. “He is a madman who staked his life upon winning politically and militarily. He is an obstacle to a settlement, and he has many allies in the Ukrainian military. So the message that was sent to Zelensky is that we are going to have talks with the Russians with or without you and they are going to be military to military. Your neighbors are fed up with you, especially Poland and Hungary, and they want their Ukrainian refugees to go back to a peaceful country,”

The other issue facing Zelensky, the official said, is economic: “How do you operate a country with no GNP?”

The deal now on the table for Zelensky, the official said, offers the possibility of Russian support for Ukraine to finally be allowed to join NATO. Crimea would stay in Russian hands, and there would be freely monitored Russian presidential elections in the four partially occupied oblasts claimed by Russia. Two weeks ago Putin signed legislation that allowed voting in those provinces to be held under martial law.

“The White House is totally against the proposed agreement,” the official said. “But it will happen. Putin has not disagreed.” It is thought that Putin will “want to make a deal.”

There is much work left to do on many details of the proposed agreement, the official said. He provided a daunting list: "War criminals on both sides. Citizenship. Compensation. Ordnance disposal. Cross-border economics. Access and, most importantly, the political cover story. Neither side wants to be blamed for a ‘sellout’ and are looking for peace with honor. Trying to put the toothpaste back into the tube won't be easy, but most important to prevent future flare-ups. We have all winter to work it out and some good folks lending a hand.”

The official told of a recent encouraging sign. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov recently asked to be invited to the NATO international security conference that took place this week in Montenegro. “He was extended an invitation and accepted,” the official said. “The United States was informed but not given a veto.”

A second American , whose information comes from overseas, confirmed that Russia might be willing to “allow Ukraine to join NATO,” but he added an important caveat. Under the tentative agreement, NATO would have to commit to “not place NATO troops on Ukrainian soil.” The agreement also would not allow NATO to place offensive weapons in Ukraine, but defensive weapons systems would be permitted.

The American added that Russia would agree, were the proposed peace talks to succeed, to rejoin the Comprehensive Nucear-Test-Ban Treaty from which it recently withdrew. It also would agree to remove its military from areas near the Baltic states and Moldova.

He told me that the proposed settlement has inherent logic because of the on-the-ground military realities. Russia, like Ukraine, he said, has been unable to launch penetration attacks deep across the war’s current front. “They tried but failed. Inefficient and wasteful as its military is, Russia can hold on to territories they have conquered in eastern Ukraine. And we are heading into the winter months, during which the mud and snow make any progress impossible.”

The two generals may continue to talk and Putin may indeed be interested in a settlement that gives him permanent control of Crimea and the four provinces he has claimed, but Zelensky remains the wild card. The American official said that Zelensky has been told that “this is a military-to-military problem to solve and the talks will go on with or without you.” If necessary. the American official told me, “We can finance his voyage to the Caribbean.”

Posted by: more Hersh | Dec 1 2023 20:17 utc | 87

Posted by: more Hersh | Dec 1 2023 20:17 utc |

I have a hard time seeing Putin agreeing to Ukraine joining NATO.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 1 2023 20:19 utc | 88

US is not going to give Ukraine security guarantees and EU is useless and none of them have any credibility anyway so unfortunately Russia will have no option but to see this through until surrender and occupation of Ukraine.

Ukraine is running-up quite a tab with the west, so I imagine the west will hope to stick Russia with the bill.

That new guided cluster munition from Russia is wicked - not going to be good for Ukraine morale.

The little commercial drones are apparently because a problem - for both sides.

Posted by: jared | Dec 1 2023 20:23 utc | 89

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 1 2023 20:10 utc | 85

i presume Zelensky is first interested in saving his ass, then saving his wealth/position. was the counteroffensive his idea or was it required by Washington? maybe he is lost in cocaine fueled delusions though.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 1 2023 20:24 utc | 90

"Lots post regarding Mercouris. His name appears in all these. He's a great example of not seeing the forest for the trees. Buys into a significant percentage of MSM and Deep State hook line and sinker. Also proof intellectualism and assimilation are unrelated. Use his facts to add to your knowledge base. Use his conclusions for entertainment."

Posted by: Matt | Dec 1 2023 17:46 utc | 49


Bingo ! 100% Matt.

I can confirm 100% Mercouris doesn't understand money and thus economics. His money story in no whatsoever reflective of what actually takes place in the real world.

https://www.elgaronline.com/edcollchap/book/9781802208092/book-part-9781802208092-9.xml

I'm not being nasty or have an axe to grind. He simply needs to be called out on it. People must be allowed to call him out on it when he is so very clearly wrong.

It is very sad indeed because it spoils his geopolitical analysis that makes some very valid points. His character and nature simply refuses to learn how money actually works.

How can we all debate a brand new unipolar world if the foundation is built on sand. Complete failure to understand money. Mercouris will very simp!y trap himself in neoliberal globalist , gold standard, fixed exchange rate myths that he holds dear, but unfortunately no longer applies.

It's not point scoring it is actually a very sad state of affairs.

Maybe the tax payer money myth, like all confirmation biases that have been turned into a revenue stream, makes the Duran money. That's why he pushes it ?

But that makes him no better than Regan and Thatcher, if that is the case.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 1 2023 20:49 utc | 91

I had a thought, and I want to share it before it dies of loneliness, lol.

It's illegal to directly bribe foreign officials, so Biden can't authorize that 10 billion dollars gets spread around the elites in Kiev in exchange for Ukraine handing the East of Ukraine to the Russians, and establish a neutral zone/no man's land between Ukraine and the newly expanded Russian alliance, but the Biden administration can pay Zelenskyy billions of dollars to build the Zelenskyy Line, and turn a blind eye to all the graft that ensued from that project.

If there had been back channel communications with Russia before arranging that, then the Biden administration might have earned back a tiny bit of credibility with Putin's government, and that could be the cornerstone for starting negotiations which could eventually lead to a meaningful ceasefire.

Not that I expect the Zelenskyy regime and the Azov thugs to be anywhere near giving up on their dreams to defeat Russia, nor do I expect Russia to not have to go on defeating the AFU until it finally concedes that Russia can't be beaten.

But the MIC in America might see the Zelenskyy Line as opening up opportunities for it to eventually make a clean escape from having to accept responsibility for the debacle in Ukraine. Russia gets what it has to have, the MIC doesn't get cast into the spotlight as Russian tanks advance while Ukrainian troops flee, desert, or surrender.

But to amplify on that, I can imagine at best only a brief ceasefire at some time in the future, one that would end after the negotiations it was meant to foster quickly broke down as the Zelenskyy regime would be inherently unable to offer meaningful concessions and guarantees. They wouldn't change their Constitution, for one thing.

So the war would wage on, and Russia would, like an enormous snake, begin to put the squeeze on Odessa. I'll guess that city has seen a lot of its military drained off so as to man Zelenskyy's offensives, and so too its supply of weapons and munitions were depleted to some degree. Once the writing is on the wall for the regime in Kiev, I can imagine the establishment of Odessa being a lot more open to inducements from Russia to negotiate a compromise. One that would have the Russian military in charge of the city's defenses, but which would allow all the current businesses to keep on operating. The spice must flow.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 1 2023 20:50 utc | 92

Posted by: more Hersh | Dec 1 2023 20:17 utc | 86

Only muddying the waters. The losses are not "disproportionate". Again wishful thinking. Since when is the empire of lies telling the truth?

No source. Without interest.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 1 2023 20:50 utc | 93

news

Russia's main rail link to China has been left paralyzed after Ukraine's Security Service blew up a tunnel in the Russian republic of Buryatia, it has been reported.
The explosions in the Severomuysky Tunnel were masterminded by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), "paralyzing the only serious route of railway communication between the Russian Federation and China," news outlet RBC-Ukraine reported on Thursday, citing sources with knowledge of the matter. .here

This former tunnel is thousands of miles out there in Siberia. That is far away for SBU so it was probably facilitated by US Special Forces who are accustomed to operating far away. Also this gives a boost to the US and its policy to break China's support for Russia.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 1 2023 20:52 utc | 94


I still feel the need to point out the disturbing tendency of the Russian government to try and prove to th world or the west that it is reponsible and not a trouble maker. It typically leads to a humiliating result.

Posted by: Constantine | Dec 1 2023 18:58 utc | 67

Russians have a kind of minority complex, even people like Lavrov or Putin.

Posted by: zorge | Dec 1 2023 20:53 utc | 95

@Constantine | Dec 1 2023 19:44 utc | 80

Until Russia engages with millions of men in total warfare like during WW2, Ukraine is just an insignificant border skirmish. Who cares how many Ukraine loses. Ok, shadowbanned has a hernia over all those Ukrainian losses, as he correctly considers them Russian. But war always involves casualties, and what better a place to have some war than in the borderlands. Anything is better than having a war in the core regions. The Ukrainians are keen to support the West so they should die for their convictions, one should not feel sorry for idiots. Its not sociopathic callousness, its just realpolitik. The dictionary defines realpolitik as "a system of politics or principles based on practical rather than moral or ideological considerations". So caring about Ukrainian casualties is a moral or ideological issue, in other words it's woke, liberal, virtuous, BS thinking, its just something the West likes to propagate world wide but what the West doesn't follow itself.

Posted by: gT | Dec 1 2023 21:03 utc | 96

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Front #Summary for 1 Dec 2023 by 18:42⚡️

🔹In #Kherson Direction, #Krynki remains the hottest point. The AFU do not abandon their attempts to advance south of the village centre towards the forest belt. Ours are fighting back and even improving their positions. There is calm near the railway bridge, the enemy is not making any attempts to reach the road to #Alyoshki. At the same time, some presence of the AFU remains.

🔹In #Zaporozhye Direction, north of #Verbovoye, the AFU are heavily shelling our positions. Apparently, they are preparing new attacks. Near #Rabotino, our forces are slowly regaining the positions they left at the peak of the AFU counteroffensive.

🔹In #South Donetsk Direction, active actions on the ground have frozen, a sea of mud. Our army had the initiative, and now the military is waiting for persistent frosts to continue attacks. In the meantime, artillery duels are raging along the entire line of contact. Our aviation strikes positions of the AFU. Our army is also advancing south of #Novomikhaylovka.
▪️ In #Maryinka, the reports of the liberation are a little premature. The Russian flag is flying over one of the last houses on the southwestern outskirts, which means that the Russian army controls a part of #Maryinka south of the #Osipovka River. But the AFU still holds positions in the northwestern part of the city. The enemy is retreating, the supply route is under the fire control of our forces. The frontline is slowly but surely moving away from #Donetsk.

🔹In #Donetsk direction, in the #Avdeyevka sector, fierce fighting continues unabated. On the northern flank, our forces have advanced near #Stepovoye. Fighting is ongoing at the outskirts of Coke Plant. On the southern flank, our army is attacking at #Severnoye.

🔹In #Bakhmut Direction, our units repelled an AFU counterattack near the #Berkhovskoye Reservoir. And they also advanced a little further towards #Bogdanovka. On the southern flank without changes.

🔹In #Svatovo Direction, our military took positions in the #Timkovka tract. This is to the west of #Orlyanskoye, a village to the south of #Yagodnoye. Thus the frontline is approaching #Ivanovka from the north. Our army has resumed active fighting near the #Zherebets River. Ours are pushing the AFU from the left bank.

📌 Personally, I am very pleased and inspired by the successes of our army in #Avdeyevka. I have been to those parts many times. Once #Avdeyevka was a peaceful suburb of #Donetsk with forests and fields and a large factory. After that it turned into a stronghold of terrorism. A lot of #Donetsk citizens were killed from there. Women, children. This stronghold is so powerful that from the very beginning of the SMO our troops didn't know from which side to take this fortress. The shooting from there at the capital of the #DPR has become even more frequent and meaner. Looking at the map, it is clear how much combat work remains ahead. In the case of #Avdeyevka, we know exactly what we are fighting for. First of all, for a peaceful sky over #Donetsk. And for everyone who was killed in #Donetsk from #Avdeevka over the years.


https://t.me/sitreports/18846

Posted by: Down South | Dec 1 2023 21:05 utc | 97

Babel-17 | Dec 1 2023 20:50 utc | 91--

Lavrov again said today that the negotiation ball's in Zelensky's court. In the midst of a very long detailed answer where he cited the Ukie constitution and its governing officers, Lavrov interjected this excellent note:

"In order to start a political process, you need two, as in tango. The guys on the other side are not dancing tango, but breakdancing. You have to be a soloist there."

The West is nothing but a talk-shop that ignores Russia as well as the vast majority of facts related to the entire Ukraine issue. Indeed, the West doesn't want to acknowledge any of the truths related to the actual events that have occurred since 1989.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 1 2023 21:08 utc | 98

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Battle for #Avdeyevka - Situation until the End of 1 Dec 2023⚡️

🔸 Russian Forces are slowly but surely continuing to push through the defence of the AFU around the #Avdeyevka fortified area.

🔹 On the northern flank, the main battles are taking place in the area of the railway line near #Stepovoye (⚠️on map they named it #Petrovskoye), where the Ukrainian forces recently counterattacked and forced the Russians out of the village's outskirts. However, after several strikes, they withdrew to their initial positions.

▪️ Fighting is also continuing near the #Avdeyevka Coke Plant, where so far the main efforts of the Russian Army is focused on the fire defeat of the powerful stronghold to avoid casualties among the personnel.

▪️ Also, fighters of the Russian Army have successfully advanced south of #Novokalinovo, occupying strongholds along the water body. Having advanced across the railway line, the position of the RF Armed Forces has significantly improved in the context of the #Novokalinovo offensive.

🔹 West of #Avdeyevka, the RF Armed Forces assault squads, supported by artillery and aviation, took important positions on the hills east of #Severnoye. Similarly, they managed to seize strongholds to the west, worsening the enemy's position not only in #Severnoye, but also to the south in #Pervomayskoye.

▪️ There, as a result of a successful breakthrough, the RF Armed Forces advanced along the reservoir. At the same time, the AFU in this area provide less resistance than before. Losses in militants and successes of the RF Armed Forces affect the morale of the AFU, which simplifies the assault on the lines. At the moment, the main problem is caused by the mines that litter the fields around the settlements.


https://t.me/sitreports/18848

Posted by: Down South | Dec 1 2023 21:08 utc | 99

"Now, Russia is tackling Avdeevka pretty much last, not first, as Nato expected, in the situation where the professional AFU is long gone and rolled over several times. Limiting operation in Donbass, and concentrating fully on Avdeevka would have been a huge losing strategy and probably resulted much closer to the Afghanistan (1980s) situation Nato wanted. Also it would leave most of Ukraine intact."

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2023 18:30 utc | 61

Wow-tremendous insight-hadn't thought of that angle. Thanks

Posted by: canuck | Dec 1 2023 21:12 utc | 100

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