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December 31, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-325

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ZH has a psting up with the title
Iran Dispatches Warship To Red Sea, Houthis Warn Of “Repercussions” After US Forces Kill Rebels During Maersk Ship Attack
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Perhaps even more problematically from a global escalation perspective, Iran dispatched a warship to the Red Sea.
The Alborz destroyer traversed the Bab El-Mandeb strait, a narrow choke point between the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden, on Monday, Iranian state media said, adding that Iran’s naval fleet has been operating in the area “to secure shipping lanes, repel pirates, among other purposes since 2009.”

ZH also has a posting up with the title
USS Ford Aircraft Carrier Returning Home After Extended Deployment Protecting Israel
the quote

The Navy said the USS Ford’s presence will now be replaced by the Bataan amphibious ready group, which has 2,000 Marines onboard. This ready group includes the USS Bataan, and the USS Mesa Verde and the USS Carter Hall – which are currently transiting the Red Sea, making ready to enter the Mediterranean.

Lots going on in the Red Sea, eh?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 2 2024 2:23 utc | 201

@ Jane | Jan 2 2024 1:31 utc | 199
The talk is addressed to the political class in the west who currently supports genocide in Palestine and the elimination of an entire generation of Ukrainians as sacrificial proxy lambs in the neocon quest for global domination. This political class is bathed in propaganda which, it appears, they have come to believe, with a few exceptions like Claire Daley, who speaks with clarity and sincerity to an empty chamber, and President Viktor Orbán.
My question of Desmet is : How can one speak sincerely as a remedy when the content of one’s speech is the product of a propagandistic culture? Maybe essential psychological bonding happens as a result, reducing the tendency toward alienation, but the false content remains.
What was his position on Covid you object to? He blamed the victims by describing a mass psychological phenomenon?

Posted by: Suzan | Jan 2 2024 2:26 utc | 202

What was his position on Covid you object to? He blamed the victims by describing a mass psychological phenomenon?
Posted by: Suzan | Jan 2 2024 2:26 utc | 202
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Not exactly.
He did blame the victims.
I think this is OT here.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 2 2024 2:36 utc | 203

Holocaust denial, which will only increase so long as it is a semi-legal or illegal activity, shielded from the full light of vigorous and honest debate, is an important theme in the revival of Nazism and other forms of fascism required by the crises that imperialism cannot solve except by violence and war.
Posted by: bevin | Jan 1 2024 15:51 utc | 137
Many weird and wild views appear in the MoA comments which generally get a shrug from me but this is worthy of an award. Why do you think Denial is ‘a semi-legal or illegal activity’?

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Jan 2 2024 3:39 utc | 204

@ suzan and jane.. i am curious for you two to continue over at the moa week in review.. that is an open channel.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Jan 2 2024 3:40 utc | 205

@ suzan and jane.. i am curious for you two to continue over at the moa week in review.. that is an open channel.. cheers..
Posted by: james | Jan 2 2024 3:40 utc | 205
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I am not gonna waste time or mental energy jawing about Desmet.
If you don’t see through the guy, not my problemo.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 2 2024 4:05 utc | 206

@ jane..
okay thanks.. things are pretty clear cut with you. got it..

Posted by: james | Jan 2 2024 4:07 utc | 207

@ suzan | Jan 2 2024 0:57 utc | 195
thanks for sharing that OT article.. fascinating and right on.. i too read gandhis autobiography a number of years ago.. i think the propaganda aspect of this article is very relevant to what is happening here with regard to palestine.. we are swamped with propaganda telling us one thing when we know the reality is something else.. so this article is very relevant to the bigger picture here..

Posted by: james | Jan 2 2024 4:26 utc | 208

“Economic boycotts are effective if you shut down companies with direct action but who are not big shoppers … don’t have pressure points.”
A candidate knows they may still win if they lose ~5-10% of their voters. Especially if they still have the Zionist owned media and almost unlimited campaign funds at their disposal.
A corporation losing 5-10% of its earnings, especially if sustained over a long period, will make shareholders demand changes.
Who is behind this Patagonia scheme?

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 2 2024 4:51 utc | 209

LoveDonbass
The Islamic view.
“This political class is bathed in propaganda which, it appears, they have come to believe,”
Political Islam and also Russian intellectuals are now the Left Wing of the Totalitarian God of Mammon.
Snipers used the roof of Al Azhar University of all places to kick off the USUKIS Arab Spring.
The now retired sons of Turks educated at Al Azhar have swallowed the God of Mammon cult, hook , line and sinker, and British former Pakistanis have eagerly followed them as Islamic flavour Vapes ,
which still contain the addictive nicotine of Mammon.
I was asked in the mosquue after Friday prayer by an old friend, ” Are you still praying? ” , to which I replied ‘ No, I’m going to go and do the next thing. ‘
How else is one supposed to answer such a ridiculous question?
Political Islam in the West teaches that supporting “”””””jihad””””””, trashing the Middle East for Greater Israel , is an acceptable substitute for the pillars of Islam.
Both the Islamic-spiritual and the Socialist-moral oppositions to Mammon-totalitarianism are finished. What is TAKING OVER, as my local Islamic Radio Station loves to say , is a mixture totalitarian- tinted spectacles, and Bollywood .
Jesus pbuh wept and he would have every right , because three generations of Muslims in Britain have worked tirelessly to not tell anybody what is Islam.
A monumental effort of sacrifice for the God of Mammon.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 2 2024 4:58 utc | 210

James 208
” I think the propaganda aspect of this article is very relevant to what is happening here with regard to Palestine.
We are swamped with propaganda telling us one thing when we know the reality is something else..”
Exactly. The propaganda machine has managed to hold the Zionazi genocide
death toll of Innocent Palestinians at 20,000 for two weeks, by liquidating jounalists and medics while starvation and disease take hold.
Then the lying scumbag Zionazis will tell us they didn’t know this was happening.
When USUKIS finally announces the genocide has happened and pretends to the prosecute zionazi ringleaders, history tells us they will preserve them for future use in some South American hellhole where nobody can find them.
Shit happens.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 2 2024 5:20 utc | 211

Jan 2 marks 90 days since hostilities began with the brutal attack on worshipers praying at the Al-Asqa Mosque:
Over 1,000 Israeli settlers storm Al-Aqsa Mosque
….(excerpt) Roads leading to Al-Aqsa Mosque were sealed off by authorities. Israeli troops assaulted worshippers and prevented many of them from entering the site.
Israeli officers “suddenly attacked people while they were sitting and reading the Quran,” Maan news agency reported.…..
https://new.thecradle.co/articles-id/7636

Posted by: Exile | Jan 2 2024 5:51 utc | 212

Posted by: benji | Jan 1 2024 15:31 utc | 132
Curious that the tendrils of evil and usury all tend to coalesce in some way in Switzerland. Somehow, I’ve long suspected that the cabal rules from there, not the City of London. Their false pretense of neutrality seems a blatant indication that there’s much being hidden there.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 2 2024 7:00 utc | 213

(apologies if old news)
The US military sank three vessels belonging to Yemen’s Houthis during a confrontation in the Red Sea on Sunday, killing 10, as tensions continue to rise in the region due to the US-backed Israeli slaughter in Gaza.
According to US Central Command, four Houthi boats were attacking and attempting to seize the container ship Maersk Hangzhou, which was struck by a missile a day earlier. CENTCOM said helicopters from the aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower responded to the Hangzhou’s distress call and then engaged with the Houthi boats.
https://scheerpost.com/2024/01/01/us-military-sinks-three-houthi-boats-in-red-sea-killing-10/

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 2 2024 7:13 utc | 214

Israel’s Genocide Betrays the Holocaust
Danny Danon, Israel’s former Ambassador to the U.N. and a close ally of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, told Israel’s Kan Bet radio that he has been contacted by “countries in Latin America and Africa that are willing to absorb refugees from the Gaza Strip.” “We have to make it easier for Gazans to leave for other countries,” he said. “I’m talking about voluntary migration by Palestinians who want to leave.”
The problem for now “is countries that are willing to absorb them, and we’re working on this,” Netanyahu told Likud Knesset members.
In the Warsaw Ghetto, the Germans handed out three kilograms of bread and one kilogram of marmalade to anyone who “voluntarily” registered for deportation. “There were times when hundreds of people had to wait in line for several hours to be ‘deported,’” Marek Edelman, one of the commanders of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, writes in “The Ghetto Fights.” “The number of people anxious to obtain three kilograms of bread was such that the transports, now leaving twice daily with 12,000 people, could not accommodate them all.”
The Nazis shipped their victims to death camps. The Israelis will ship their victims to squalid refugee camps in countries outside of Israel. Israeli leaders are also cynically advertising the proposed ethnic cleansing as voluntary and a humanitarian gesture to solve the catastrophe they created.
This is the plan. No one, especially the Biden administration, intends to stop it.
https://scheerpost.com/2023/12/31/israels-genocide-betrays-the-holocaust/

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 2 2024 7:18 utc | 215

Posted by: Cynic | Jan 2 2024 0:27 utc | 189
Gates has a clothing company or had , Patagonia. It’s like north face , he gave it away as some gesture he was human or something, not the country

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 2 2024 8:16 utc | 216

Posted by: Jo | Jan 2 2024 0:04 utc | 186
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Jo heard that Russia shot down Israeli missiles over Syria. So did I. It was a remark by Simplicius, citing Sputnik. I looked up Sputnik and it explicitly said that Syrian forces fired Russian-supplied missiles.
I wonder from time to time what explains Putin’s extraordinary dedication to Jewish interests. Why, for instance, is Russia insisting on Israeli security IN THE MIDDLE EAST? Why can’t they be relocated? Does Christian Russia need a Jewish check against a purely Muslim south? I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s Putin and Lavrov’s wavelength. Utterly stupid after Two Hundred Years Together including the Jewish ritual murder of the Czar and family. And given Chechnya’s role as the sword-arm of RF. But Putin’s capacity to miscalculate and disappoint where Jews are concened is unending. He’s openly inviting Russian-origin Israelis back. I wonder if the plan is to settle them in the old Khazaria, the reclaimed bits of Ukraine. If so, he and Victoria Nuland have been following the same Chabad agenda all along.
See the details in the words of the satanic Moshiach himself.
https://yandex.com/search/touch/?text=Schneerson+Ukraine+&search_source=yacom_touch_common&lr=10562&oprnd=5352840111&mda=0&re=1

Posted by: sarz | Jan 2 2024 9:11 utc | 217

Al Jazeera English interview with Anthony Lowenstein on Israel’s and the US’s surging weapons sector (6 Min):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTMeidHMatY

Posted by: Menz | Jan 2 2024 10:23 utc | 218

sarz 217
‘But Putin’s capacity to miscalculate ..’
Classic psychspook Guardian grey fox-poop

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 2 2024 10:30 utc | 219

Arya – آریا 🇮🇷
@AryJeay
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3h
Good news!
The notorious Zvi Zamir, former MOSSAD chief during 1968-74, died at 99.
He’s responsible for many terrorist activities & deaths of people, and now he’ll be burning in hell, eternally.
https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1742079754759504301

Posted by: Menz | Jan 2 2024 10:39 utc | 220

One of the reasons why the deaths in Gaza were put on our TV screens 24/7 and 7 days a week.
Is based on the tent principle in the film the beach.
If you have seen the film the beach with Leonardo DiCaprio. Some of the people who fish for food were attacked by sharks. At first they were kept in the main hut, but then moved into a tent away from the main hut.
The same principles are at play. If they death is right in your face 24/7, eventually people get tired of it and protect themselves from it. Which ultimately allows Israel to continue with the slaughter.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jan 2 2024 11:28 utc | 221

RT – Iran deploys navy to Red Sea – state media
The development comes amid a US-led operation against Yemen’s Houthi militants, who have been attacking commercial ships recently
Iran’s Alborz destroyer crossed the Bab-el-Mandeb Strait and entered the Red Sea on Monday, the country’s state-run IRNA and Tasnim news agencies have reported. The deployment followed a deadly encounter between US warships and Yemen’s Houthi militants in the waterway on Sunday.
The Iran-affiliated Shiite group has controlled large swaths of Yemen, including the capital Sanaa and the port of Al-Hudaydah, since an internal conflict flared up back in 2014. In November, the Houthis began attacking commercial ships passing through the Red Sea, which they believe to be Israeli-owned or headed for Israel. The militants claim to be acting in solidarity with Hamas in Gaza.
According to IRNA’s report on Monday, the Alborz destroyer was deployed to the key waterway, which accounts for about 12% of all global trade, due to “heightening tensions.”
The US Navy, along with warships from nine other nations, have been patrolling the key waterway since December 19 as part of the Operation Prosperity Guardian. The Houthis have denounced the deployment as an “integral part of the aggression against the Palestinian people, Gaza and the Arab and Islamic nation.”
While Tehran has denied Washington’s allegations of its involvement in attacks, Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian pointed to supposed double standards when talking to his British counterpart David Cameron on Sunday.
https://www.swentr.site/news/590026-iran-deploys-navy-red-sea-us-houthis/

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 2 2024 11:29 utc | 222

“Economic boycotts are effective if you shut down companies with direct action but who are not big shoppers … don’t have pressure points.”
A candidate knows they may still win if they lose ~5-10% of their voters. Especially if they still have the Zionist owned media and almost unlimited campaign funds at their disposal, and will know that if they stay loyal they can count on being put on wingnut welfare (zionist think-tanks, positions in cabinet, etc. a la Haley and Bolton).
A corporation losing 5-10% of its earnings, especially if sustained
over a long period, will make shareholders demand changes. At the least it might diminish the amount of money it spends on political manipulation and spending in Israel.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 2 2024 12:26 utc | 223

Was there a child of the Enlightenment more characteristic of the era than the Marquis de Sade?
Posted by: bevin | Jan 2 2024 1:35 utc | 200
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Classic Horkheimer/Adorno. Glad to see the allusion.

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 2 2024 12:57 utc | 224

Many weird and wild views appear in the MoA comments which generally get a shrug from me but this is worthy of an award. Why do you think Denial is ‘a semi-legal or illegal activity’?
Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Jan 2 2024 3:39 utc | 204
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Because there are countries — Germoney first and foremost among several European states — where Holocaust denial is literally and truly illegal?

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 2 2024 13:04 utc | 225

Daily SITREP Gaza :
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2013629
Comment – must see video of 3,strikes on Merkavas – only 2 added to tally which now stands at 138 claimed since 2.Oct start of hostilities with attack on worshippers at Al-Aqsa Mosque

Posted by: Exile | Jan 2 2024 13:07 utc | 226

The same principles are at play. If they death is right in your face 24/7, eventually people get tired of it and protect themselves from it. Which ultimately allows Israel to continue with the slaughter.
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jan 2 2024 11:28 utc | 221
I suppose the best we can hope for is that when the shoe finally goes to the other foot the same principle applies.
By that, I mean:
The day ‘Israelis’ are being butchered in the streets in their tens of thousands and the Jewish Owned World Media is blasting it at full amplified volume globally, people just shut off and walk away at some point.

Another day another genocide. Meh.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 2 2024 13:11 utc | 227

At the level of the individual, boycotting doesn’t achieve anything that a corporation would notice. Mass organization is necessary for a boycott to be effective. Still, one has to start somewhere, and to dismiss boycott efforts as naïve or trollish is, imho, itself trollish.
This is why, at the individual level, I’m especially fond of advocating the buycott. Walmart and the agricorps won’t miss your money if you seek out and purchase Palestinian olive oil, but the Palestinian import company, operating on a much smaller scale, will more likely notice the increase in business. Seek out Palestinian and Palestine-friendly merchants; they could use the business and a kind word or two. And getting out of Walmart is a good thing anyway, isn’t it?

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 2 2024 13:17 utc | 228

Meditation #2:
The planning and preparation for 7 October did not begin 2023, 2022 or even in 2014.
It began more than a decade earlier the day the last IDF tanks rolled out of Gaza and shut the prison doors behind them.
At that time, young Palestinians watching the IDF retreat behind a wall knew that it was only a matter of time before the colonizers returned with their bombs and their guns and their tanks.
So they set about preparing the ground for that eventual day.
We like to speculate that perhaps it was the occupier that planned for just such a day, an excuse to return to the land they’d always coveted but few realise that the plan of the occupied was in place long before, and that it enfolded the plan of the occupiers within.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 2 2024 13:23 utc | 229

The planning and preparation for 7 October did not begin 2023, 2022 or even in 2014.
It began more than a decade earlier the day the last IDF tanks rolled out of Gaza and shut the prison doors behind them.
At that time, young Palestinians watching the IDF retreat behind a wall knew that it was only a matter of time before the colonizers returned with their bombs and their guns and their tanks.
So they set about preparing the ground for that eventual day.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 2 2024 13:23 utc | 229
This.

Posted by: pq | Jan 2 2024 13:35 utc | 230

@ Hankster 216
“Gates has a clothing company or had , Patagonia. It’s like north face , he gave it away as some gesture he was human or something, not the country”
Not true. I wasted time on Wikipedia, only to find there is no indication Gates ever owned Patagonia, Inc. Hankster, you need to tighten up your game. Patagonia is a “woke” company, but the Microsoft zillionaire had nothing to do with it.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Jan 2 2024 13:44 utc | 231

So they set about preparing the ground for that eventual day.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 2 2024 13:23 utc | 229
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This This 😁

Posted by: Exile | Jan 2 2024 14:00 utc | 232

Hankster, you need to tighten up your game. Patagonia is a “woke” company, but the Microsoft zillionaire had nothing to do with it.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Jan 2 2024 13:44 utc | 231
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True, that.
I, too, did a search to learn more about Jewish billionaires buying up huge chunks of Patagonia. Something like “Who is buying up land in Patagonia?”
What was funny was that my search engine gave only hits on the company called Patagonia, not the place. That says something about . . . well, not only the search engine’s AI, but perhaps the modern marketing technique of appropriating to oneself whole swaths of Earth and culture (or, say, a letter of the alphabet) for commercial purposes. (BTW, remember the uproar over the letter Z? I guess only billionaires have the right to appropriate a letter.)
I wonder how many people who wear a vest with the little logo prominently sewn on in the front even know that Patagonia is a place, or where it is!
Anyhow, I did another search that specified “Patagonia, Argentina” and got a few hits. One was about the French guy who started the Pat company selling it and devoting his time to conservation or something.
The other main info was about the guy who owned two other clothing companies, Eric something, one of the companies being Esprit, who has bought up a lot of land in both Argentinian and Chilean Patagonia.
I didn’t get any info on Jewish billionaires in on this, but it doesn’t mean it’s not happening. I read somewhere that the Bush family has bought huge ranch properties in Argentina.
As for Milei (sp?) converting to Judaism—Ouch!! I wonder whether he has had the cut.
It might not help anyone much, though.
Maybe his “girlfriend” is Jewish and insisted on it!
No going back now!

Posted by: Jane | Jan 2 2024 14:19 utc | 233