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December 31, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-325

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Ordinary people fighting to protect their homes with primitive weapons in hand:

Israeli occupation forces have conducted multiple raids and incursions in the occupied West Bank, leading to intense clashes with determined local residents defending their homes.
One of the first targets was the town of Silwad, located east of Ramallah. Israeli forces forcefully entered the town and proceeded to ransack the homes of several residents.
Meanwhile, in the town of Hableh, south of Qalqilya, an infantry force from the Israeli occupation launched a raid, prompting local residents to take immediate action. They barricaded the town’s entrance by setting tires on fire in an attempt to prevent the Israeli forces from entering.
In a striking act of resistance, the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades – Qalqilya announced that its fighters had launched an attack on the “Zufim” checkpoint, situated east of the city. Using a locally manufactured improvised explosive device (IED), they targeted the checkpoint, further escalating the tense situation.

If the IDF pushes ordinary people on the West Bank too far the ranks of al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades will swell and they’ll soon be taking RPG fire in alleyways.
I expect that is what the IDF is hoping for. They imagine if they provoke the W.B far enough they can give them the Gaza treatment.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 8:12 utc | 101

Can we stop calling this genocide and ethnic cleansing?
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 1 2024 1:51 utc | 90
NO!
Reason: There is a Genocide Convention which defines genocide as legal term for which states and subsequently individuals can be held accountable (ICJ: Gambia vs Myanmar). It also obliges parties to the Convention to act to PREVENT genocide.
The degree of corruption of ICJ and UNSC willingness to enforce are of course factors. But the legal avenues must be pursued if for no other reason than to expose these organizations as useless black holes for taxpayer funds.
Running around shrieking THE HORROR THE HORROR is fine, very good, but how long do you intend to do it for?
And if you can be bothered to read South Africa’s full 84 page submission to the ICJ, most of the things you list are mentioned in it.

Posted by: pq | Jan 1 2024 9:05 utc | 102

Blinken again bypasses US Congress to send munitions to Israel
“US Secretary of State Antony Blinken used emergency authority to approve the sale of $147.5 million of 155 mm artillery shells to Israel on 30 December, bypassing the standard congressional review for arms sales for the second time since the start of the war on Gaza.
A State Department spokesman said on Friday that “given the urgency of Israel’s defensive needs, the secretary notified Congress that he had exercised his delegated authority to determine an emergency existed necessitating the immediate approval of the transfer.”
Earlier this month, Blinken used the same emergency process to approve the sale of 14,000 tank shells, worth more than $106 million, to Israel.
The emergency sale of artillery shells comes as Israel’s military intensifies its bombing campaign in Gaza.”

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 1 2024 10:41 utc | 103

Millions of non-Jews incl. POWs were sent to death camps and gas chambers.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 1 2024 5:50 utc | 96
This is why I find the revision of the Auschwitz plaque and subsequent criminalization of serious historical analysis of the narrative so troubling.
“Four million people suffered and died here at the hands of the Nazi murderers between the years 1940 and 1945” until 16 June 1992.
“…where the Nazis murdered about one and a half men, women and children mainly Jews from various countries of Europe” after June 16, 1992
This article discusses changing the plaque as a political decision following the change of government in Poland in which Lech Walesa was “helped” by the US.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1992-05-07-9202100662-story.html
“”The numbers that we dealt with before were numbers that were politically motivated,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of international relations for the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council in Washington.
The communists tried to ”de-Judaize” Auschwitz to emphasize that other nationalities, particularly Poles, died at the hands of the Nazis, said Lerman, who is also a member of the International Council of the State Museum of Auschwitz.”
This is an admission that the official historical record is a propaganda battle. 2.5 million deaths were erased in a day as “Commie Propaganda” and that Jews became the main victim is definitely not Zionist propaganda.
Any historian or analyst would agree that this might merit further debate and research?
Instead it has been criminalized and even where it is not criminal it leads to organized persecution by powerful organizations.
The Holocaust is now used as an excuse for genocide.
In the meantime, unremarked on, Israel passed a Nakba Denial Law: an amendment to the Budget Principles Law of 1985, was adopted by the Knesset on 22 March 2011. This amendment empowers the Minister of Finance to fine public bodies that receive public funding, such as schools, universities or local authorities, if they hold events that commemorate “Independence Day or the
establishment of the state as a day of mourning”.
https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/729697
Holocaust debate is a crime against humanity whereas Nakba denial is law.
Interestingly the emphasis on “European Jewry” in the new plaque and technical definition confirms the little known fact that Muslims under European occupation in Africa and West Asia did not participate in the deportation of Jews from their countries or in confiscation of Jewish property.

Posted by: pq | Jan 1 2024 10:45 utc | 104

Israeli officials ‘concerned’ ICJ could charge Israel with genocide
Israeli officials are concerned the International Court of Justice could charge the state with genocide in Gaza, Haaretz reported on Monday. According to the Israeli daily, a senior legal expert dealing with the case has warned the military leadership that there is a “real danger” the court will issue an injection calling on Israel to halt its military action in Gaza. The military and the state attorney’s office are now preparing to deal with the complaint filed by South Africa on Friday. A hearing will take place Monday at the foreign ministry. South Africa launched a case for the ICJ to declare that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in its military campaign in Gaza. The submission from Cape Town, which says that Israel is in breach of its obligations under the Genocide Convention, calls for a halt to Israel’s military operations in the besieged enclave. It said:
Such an order is necessary in this case to protect against further, severe and irreparable harm to the rights of the Palestinian people. Israel has engaged in, is engaging in and risks further engaging in genocidal acts against the Palestinian people in Gaza. We have requested that the ICJ declare on an urgent basis that Israel is in breach of its obligations in terms of the Genocide Convention, should immediately cease all acts and measures in breach of those obligations and take a number of related actions.
Morning update
It’s just over 8 am in Palestine and Israel on the 87th day of the war on Gaza. The new year began in the besieged Palestinian enclave with Israeli bombing as the death toll near the 22k mark. Here are the major developments from the last few hours:
Heavy tank shelling was reported Monday morning in refugee camps in the central and northern Gaza Strip.
Several people were killed and wounded in air strikes on Khan Younis, according to medics.
Palestinians across the West Bank marked the new year with rallies calling for a ceasefire in Gaza.
Israeli forces raided West Bank cities and arrested several people, local media reported.
An armed drone was shot down over Iraq’s Ain al-Assad air base, which houses US forces.”

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Posted by: Menz | Jan 1 2024 11:16 utc | 105

Posted by: pq | Jan 1 2024 10:45 utc | 104
Everyone here who actually wants to know what happened with the holocaust should be going to CODOH – the center for open discussion on the holocaust.
The entire thing is a sham.
Germans in your day to day life are some of the nicest people you’ve ever met. The same is true for 100 years ago. Who do you believe, the jew or your lying eyes and ears ? Wake up.
Imagine in your mind the face of a person who steals the pensions of 100,000 old laborers under some slimey legal excuse or corporate mumbo jumbo.
Now tell me, are you imaging the face of a German or a jew ?
Wake up.
Wake up.
For the sake of your children and grandchildren.
Wake up.

Posted by: ryanggg | Jan 1 2024 11:21 utc | 106

PQ wrote: “This is why I find the revision of the Auschwitz plaque and subsequent criminalization of serious historical analysis of the narrative so troubling.”
My dear fellow, you have hit the nail on the head.
ALL historical narratives, by their nature, are open to constant re-examination and revision as different people across time bring to them different perspectives and heretofore unknown or unconsidered information.
The basis of Holocaust denial legislation is that the narrative/truth has been established, once and for all (“established facts” — established by whom, how etc. we must not ask), perfect and immutable. This is, literally, the definition of dogma as elaborated by the Church in late antiquity.
Even questioning dogma means claiming that truth can be questioned, in other words that truth may not be “perfectly” true. Doing so used to result in people being brought before the Inquisition as heretics. Since being heretics was the reason for their prosecution, it was assumed that everything they said in self-defense was a lie. In short, they were — literally — dammed if they maintained their stance, regardless of their defense. and damned if they didn’t recant. The punishment was to be drawn and quartered (the limbs pulled off the body by four draft animals). The remaining torso, while still alive, was burnt at the stake, the internal organs gouged out and exposed to the flames in order to make the death more painful. All to the glory of God, Holy Mother the Church and “doctrinal purity”.
We’re not quite at the point for those accused of Holocaust denial, but the Zionists are up to it: think of the systematic torture in Israeli prisons, the mutilated and burnt bodies from the bombing, the amputations without anesthetics (over 1,000 performed on children in a desperate effort to save them) and the Palestinian men in the huge pit buried alive: basically the same sadistic malice.
In any event, either the Holocaust is a historical narrative, hence open to constant re-appraisal, or it is dogma, absolute, immutable, and calling it into question merits severe punishment (for the time being, mostly fine and/or imprisonment, with an occasional targeted assassination here or there).
Happy new year.

Posted by: RJPJR | Jan 1 2024 11:26 utc | 107

The later phases of HAMAS battle plan, as I predicted, are unfolding as rocket barrages start to land on Tel Aviv:

Hamas Strikes Back: Rockets Rain on Tel Aviv as Palestinian Resistance Holds Strong Against Israeli Aggression
Al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of the Hamas movement, bombarded the heart of the Zionist entity with a heavy barrage of M90 rockets just moments into the new year. This retaliation came after relentless aggression from the Israeli occupation forces against defenseless civilians in the besieged Gaza Strip, drawing silence from many who champion human rights.
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Despite claims from the Israeli army that the Qassam’s rocket capabilities had been significantly diminished, the attack on Tel Aviv and its suburbs proved otherwise. Military correspondent Hillel Rosen was quick to criticize the lack of intelligence and failure to prevent the strike, highlighting the unexpected strength of Hamas even after months of war on Gaza.
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The news of the rocket attack was met with celebration in Palestinian territories, with the city of Qalqilya erupting with joyous cries of “Allahu Akbar” and the lighting of firecrackers. The Gaza Strip, meanwhile, witnessed a momentous occasion as the Al-Qassam Brigades launched their missiles towards “Tel Aviv” and its surroundings, further demonstrating their resilience and determination.

This, as I speculated on earlier threads, would signify the last stages of the attack plan of HAMAS in Gaza, i.e concentrated attacks on Izzrael’s key infrastructure (Tel Aviv, Haifa, Ashkelon).

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 11:48 utc | 108

.michaelj72 | Jan 1 2024 6:21 utc | 97
***…British Defense Secretary said earlier today “If the Houthis continue to threaten lives and trade, we will be forced to take the necessary and appropriate action.”
Citing sources, the newspaper said that Grant Shapps’ comments were a “last warning” if Sanaa does not stop conducting operations, noting that the Western response would likely be “limited” but “significant”……”***
Shapps happens to be Jewish. As for his “last warning” to the Houthis — well, whatever the UK Political Establishment’s whoring shit-pixies get up to will be nothing new …. the RAF pretending to be Saudi airforce (plus some SAS as their on the ground target-markers) have for years been batch-murdering Houthi civilians in Yemen anyway.

Posted by: Cynic | Jan 1 2024 12:07 utc | 109

Shapps happens to be Jewish.
Posted by: Cynic | Jan 1 2024 12:07 utc | 109
HAHAHA. Thanks for the New Year comedy.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 12:15 utc | 110

If the UK does send one of its two US-aircraft carriers to war with the Houthis, perhaps it’s a cunning plan by the UK regime to conveniently get rid of a leaking, badly assembled white elephant?

Posted by: Cynic | Jan 1 2024 12:16 utc | 111

Some detail on the IDF troop rotation – pull back
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/report-israel-pull-some-troops-gaza?nid=331061&topic=Israel-Palestine%2520war&fid=495921
Net, Net : unclear exactly how many IDF weekend warriors being released and for how long. A cynic might read into the release that after 90 days of continuous combat the battered IDF units are being taken off front lines for a short rest and refit period. There also appears to be yuge political pressure to address the IDPs from the Northern Front.
Conclusion – the big question is all the IDF planning is how much can Al-Qassem continue to raid outside the Gaza Fence ? Can these raids be effective in tying down IDF reservists similar to the Hezobollah raids on the Northern Front ?

Posted by: Exile | Jan 1 2024 12:50 utc | 112

We can expect the ‘unknown European cuntry’ (aka fascist entity fronting up for Israel’s genocide) to be le petit roi’s France,….
Posted by: Rubiconned | Dec 31 2023 17:13 utc | 16
Germany.

Posted by: MAKK | Jan 1 2024 13:24 utc | 113

Why doesn’t Russia intervene to stop the slaughter in Gaza? Is it because they don’t want to upset Trump and his supporters (who are just as pro-Israel as Biden)?

Posted by: D J G | Jan 1 2024 13:32 utc | 114

DJG 114
The rules based order doesn’t abide by the rules, but Putin does. When enemy inverts reality your preventing genocide gets converted into ‘ if you noticed it you must have done it, why can’t you be normal like everybody else and look the other way ‘.
Putin has gained so much legitimacy from USUKIS 70 years of illegal wars, but legitimacy doesn’t translate automatically into to power.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 13:41 utc | 115

Putin has gained so much legitimacy from USUKIS 70 years of illegal wars, but legitimacy doesn’t translate automatically into to power.
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 13:41 utc | 115
Both legitimacy and power can also be void of dignified moral standing.

Posted by: sal | Jan 1 2024 13:50 utc | 116

Zionism was invented in the 1890’s . . .
Posted by: rosross | Jan 1 2024 3:47 utc | 93
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No, it was not invented in the 1890s.
There were strong Zionists organizations all over Europe and in much of the rest of the world. To establish this point one need only look at the list of attendees at the First Zionist Congress.
And the roots of openly discussed and named Zionism by various Jewish worthies can be found in earlier centuries.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 1 2024 14:03 utc | 117

Perimetr 103
“A State Department spokesman said on Friday that “given the urgency of Israel’s defensive needs, the secretary notified Congress that he had exercised his delegated authority to determine an emergency existed necessitating the immediate approval of the transfer.””
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Who delegated to him these emergency powers over the public purse?
Why isn’t Congress—or at least someone in Congress—screeching about this?
It is infuriating!
An American citizen

Posted by: Jane | Jan 1 2024 14:09 utc | 118

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/10/live-updates-us-pull-aircraft-carrier-eastern-mediterranean-netanyahu-says-war
Why is the US pulling one carrier from the East Med, just as is ships try to confront the Houthis in the Red Sea?
‘Pulled’ to where exactly?
Is this the first sign the US is backing away from supporting Israel’s genocide?

Posted by: Rubiconned | Jan 1 2024 14:13 utc | 119

sal 116
That depends on whether your morality thinks that helping USUKIS genocide the Muslim populations of Yugoslavia , Africa, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria and Yemen.
I.e the warped morality of ethnically cleansing Muslims for the colonial benefit of Non-practising Jews and non- practising Christians, the Zionists and Neocons, taking the verses of the Qur’an, a clear , straight reminder, and coexisting them into the Macchiavellian indoctrinations of Political Islam.
Turn around when possible, but for committed Political Islam genociders, that would take about 1000 dangerous U turns.
Ta

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 14:14 utc | 120

@Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 1 2024 10:41 utc | 103
Blinken belongs in a docket at a Nuremberg-type trial.
And don’t execute him. He belongs in a public cage.

Posted by: librul | Jan 1 2024 14:20 utc | 121

Zionism was invented in the 1890’s . . .
Posted by: rosross | Jan 1 2024 3:47 utc | 93
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No, it was not invented in the 1890s.
There were strong Zionists organizations all over Europe and in much of the rest of the world. To establish this point one need only look at the list of attendees at the First Zionist Congress.
And the roots of openly discussed and named Zionism by various Jewish worthies can be found in earlier centuries.
Posted by: Jane | Jan 1 2024 14:03 utc | 117
Jane is correct. Although the term “Zionism” was not coined till late in the 19th century the seeds, zeitgeist of Zionism were always apparent with the idea of believing they were “The Chosen People”

Posted by: canuck | Jan 1 2024 14:20 utc | 122

.British Defense Secretary said earlier today “If the Houthis continue to threaten lives and trade, we will be forced to take the necessary and appropriate action.”. . .
Posted by: Cynic | Jan 1 2024 12:07 utc | 109
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The language here if of the severe but regretful nanny meting out discipline to unruly charges.
I can only hope they get a good hiding for their nannyish hubris.
The world has really had enough of this hoity-toity Brtish BS.
As for Blair chairing some kind of committee to resettle Palestinians—does he even realize that is a crime?
Blair turns my stomach.
He is, actually, the cause of a lot of the mayhem in the ME since 9/11.
Without his imprimatur the USA would never had gone ahead with the Iraq invasion.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 1 2024 14:21 utc | 123

Posted by: Exile | Jan 1 2024 12:50 utc | 112
Can you provide any more information about the Al-Qassem raids outside the Gaza fence Exile? Those raids are important because they show strength, especially if they grow bigger and bigger and cause more and more damage. Very bad for Israeli morale.

Posted by: Chas | Jan 1 2024 14:21 utc | 124

FYI:
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/01/01/717418/Iran-Alborz-destroyer-Red-Sea-Bab-al-Mandab-strait-Navy-flotilla-
“Iran’s Alborz destroyer has passed through the Bab el-Mandeb Strait and entered the Red Sea amid rising tensions in the region.
The Iranian Navy’s 94th flotilla of warships, comprising of Alborz destroyer, entered the Red Sea on Monday amid heightening tensions in the strategic maritime route, Tasnim news agency reported.”
“In a stern statement on Sunday, Yemen’s Armed Forces warned the United States that Washington bears full responsibility for the consequences of a deadly attack by the US Navy on Yemeni boats in the Red Sea.”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 1 2024 14:33 utc | 125

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 14:14 utc | 120
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I would oppose the genocide the Muslim populations even for practicing Jews or Christians. I would also oppose practicing Muslim’s who help the USUKIS steal the land of practicing, or non-practicing, Orthodox Christians in Serbia’s Kosovo region. Consider the Kurds in search of a home helping the US steal the oil in Syria: I oppose that too, don’t you Giyane. Doesn’t mean that I don’t have sympathy for the Kurdish people and their terrible predicament, but they won’t get it working with the US.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 1 2024 14:34 utc | 126

FYI: Beginnings of “Sirens Calls” …Interested like everyone else of what Hezbollah Nasarallah will say come 3rd:
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/01/01/717406/PRO-PALESTINIAN-PROTESTERS-SOLIDARITY-MARCH-TOWARDS-US-CONSULATE-ISTANBUL
“The demonstrators marched towards the US Consulate on Sunday after Islamic NGOs made a call for a protest march on New Year’s Eve to protest the aid to Israel, which has been pounding Gaza since October 7.
The protesters held up banners reading (Turkish) “We are cursing Israel’s partner in crime, USA.” Another placard read, “Patron of the Zionist gang USA, get out of the Middle East.”
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2013717
“Hezbollah Says Israeli Threats Worthless, Presses on with Border Strikes”
“The Israeli enemy is in no position to force the resistance fighters away from the border with occupied Palestine and to return tens of thousands of displaced settlers to northern settlements,” Sheikh Qassem told a mourning service in Beirut’s southern suburb.”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 1 2024 14:45 utc | 127

Who delegated to him these emergency powers over the public purse?
Why isn’t Congress—or at least someone in Congress—screeching about this? It is infuriating!
An American citizen
Posted by: Jane | Jan 1 2024 14:09 utc | 118
Call up ANY AND MANY Congresspersons and screech to them!!! This goes for everyone on this board who wants to engage in armchair warrior activity. Don’t worry if you’re not American. They don’t ask that.
DO NOT MENTION PALESTINE. Ask them why money is being secretly and non secretly sent to Israel when it is needed for: schools, healthcare, roads, use your imagination and if this is because they took money from AIPAC. Ask how much.
If they ask for address say you’re couchsurfing because you can’t afford to rent.
When an assistant gets dozens of calls on the same topic their boss at least gets to know. This gives the spineless cowards the courage to talk to colleague and it builds momentum.
It is important not to mention Palestine. Stay focused on $$$$ and say you’ll never vote for the clown and their party again. If nobody answers leave a message. Fill up their voicemail!!
Keep it brief. In 10 minutes you can give an earful to at least 5-6 of them.
Senate Phone List
https://www.senate.gov/general/resources/pdf/senators_phone_list.pdf
Congress
https://www.house.gov/representatives

Posted by: pq | Jan 1 2024 15:08 utc | 128

Re: Raids outsize the Gaza Fence
The daily SITREP often has reports of attacks in the Gaza Envelope.

Posted by: Exile | Jan 1 2024 15:17 utc | 129

@81
You deny that you are engaged in fascist historical revisionism and then literally cite the German fascist apologetics for starting war with America.
The fascists of course missed out that the German Navy was already attacking US Navy ships starting with the attack on USS Greer on 4th September 41, the USS Salinas on the 30th September, USS Reuben James 31 October. These German attacks on US Navy ships were the reason that prior to the German Declaration of war the US Navy had been instructed to treat German ships as hostile.
So the German Navy started attacks on the US ships in September then in December the 3 Axis powers, in coordination, started official hostilities with America.

Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Jan 1 2024 15:20 utc | 130

@ Jane 118
“Why isn’t Congress—or at least someone in Congress—screeching about this?”
The only one I’ve seen so far is Tim Kaine (D – Va). I forgot to copy the url for this blurb, but it would have been on Al Jazeera or Middleeasteye. I have not seen a single reference to his remarks, which are pretty bland, in any US media.
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US Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia called on the Biden administration to explain why it has twice moved to transfer weapons to Israel without congressional oversight. 
The US sold an estimated $147.5m of weapons under an emergency clause requiring the immediate sale of munitions. 
“Just as Congress has a crucial role to play in all matters of war and peace, Congress should have full visibility over the weapons we transfer to any other nation,” said Kaine who serves on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee.
“Unnecessarily bypassing Congress means keeping the American people in the dark. We need a public explanation of the rationale behind this decision – the second such decision this month,” added the senator.
The earlier decision Kaine referred to was a $106.5 million sale of 14,000 rounds of tank ammunition, which the Biden administration also bypassed congressional oversight to send.
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Posted by: teri | Jan 1 2024 15:26 utc | 131

“At Basel I founded the Jewish State. If I said this out loud today, l would be greeted by universal laughter. In five years perhaps, and certainly in fifty years, everyone will perceive it.”
(Theodor Herzl, 3 September 1897)”

Posted by: benji | Jan 1 2024 15:31 utc | 132

If the IDF pushes ordinary people on the West Bank too far the ranks of al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades will swell and they’ll soon be taking RPG fire in alleyways.
I expect that is what the IDF is hoping for. They imagine if they provoke the W.B far enough they can give them the Gaza treatment.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 8:12 utc | 101
That’s the whole point of the petty tyranny Palestinians have to live with, like schoolchildren having to spend hours going through more than one checkpoint to school, etc. the hope is that they’ll either emigrate or blow a fuse and justify a shooting.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 1 2024 15:36 utc | 133

If the IDF pushes ordinary people on the West Bank too far the ranks of al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades will swell and they’ll soon be taking RPG fire in alleyways.
I expect that is what the IDF is hoping for. They imagine if they provoke the W.B far enough they can give them the Gaza treatment.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 8:12 utc | 101
That’s the whole point of the petty tyranny Palestinians have to live with, like schoolchildren having to spend hours going through more than one checkpoint to school, etc. the hope is that they’ll either emigrate or blow a fuse and justify a shooting.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 1 2024 15:36 utc | 134

I am not optimistic about writing to politicians because they know that people are limited to two candidates both of whom are loyal to Israel, the majority of voters have short memories while pro-israel donors have long memories since they actually have an agenda on the topic, and most Americans don’t care about what isn’t in front of them on the TV, and Fox News etc is careful to keep it off the screen at election time.
My preference is economic pressure. In the end, it’s all about the Benjamins.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 1 2024 15:41 utc | 135

I am not optimistic about writing to politicians because they know that people are limited to two candidates both of whom are loyal to Israel, the majority of voters have short memories while pro-israel donors have long memories since they actually have an agenda on the topic, and most Americans don’t care about what isn’t in front of them on the TV, and Fox News etc is careful to keep it off the screen at election time.
My preference is economic pressure. In the end, it’s all about the Benjamins.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 1 2024 15:41 utc | 136

“…This is an admission that the official historical record is a propaganda battle. 2.5 million deaths were erased in a day as “Commie Propaganda” and that Jews became the main victim is definitely not Zionist propaganda….” pq@104
The narrative of the Camps as always been highly political.
And for two reasons, firstly the Communists were the only party consistently reporting the real nature of Nazi crimes- the west insisted on suppressing them until, after the discoveries of Belsen, Dachau and Buchenwald, in the west by horrified and communicative Allied soldiers, that became impossible. Alexaner Werth reports that his account of the discovery of Maidanek near Lublin in 1944 was turned down by the BBC who told him that he had fallen for “Russian propaganda” (his report is a shocking and detailed description of the way that Maidanek and Auschwitiz worked.)
Secondly because the entire Holocaust infrastructure was shaped by its origins as profitable capitalist industry. Industry in which every neo-liberal (and Austrian school) dream of the “proper subordination” of labour was fulfilled. Right down to the end when, having been exploited to the limit of the body’s capacity the slave labourer was transferred from starvation rations to no rations.
Which raises another point of interest the primary means of despatching victims throughout the Holocause years was neither gas chambers not bullets but famine and exposure: in the year after Barbarossa began two million Russian POWs died of exposure and starvation in POW camps- there was no shelter and they received no food.
The United States ruling class – which had inspired the Nazis in their racial theories, anti-communism and eugenic practices (the killing of mentally deficient, insane and autistic people as well as homosexuals, members of ‘inferior’ or dangerous races and all opponents of capitalism)- was the last country to accept, long after Germany had done so and the Collaborationist classes of Europe had confessed their crimes, that the regime in which they had invested so much, morally and financially had gone one up on banning Jews from Country Clubs and Universities and massacred them.
Paradoxically the US Establishment only adopted the Holocaust cause when it had been trivialised into a spiteful campaign against Jews as Jews. But even that was a lie: the objection to Jews was justified on the basis that they gave birth to communist ideas. Judeo Bolshevism.
Holocaust denial, which will only increase so long as it is a semi-legal or illegal activity, shielded from the full light of vigorous and honest debate, is an important theme in the revival of Nazism and other forms of fascism required by the crises that imperialism cannot solve except by violence and war.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 1 2024 15:51 utc | 137

Ed 126
Kurds have had a home way before Stonehenge. In fact some say that religion was originally from Kurdistan.
Do.you need a home?

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 15:57 utc | 138

“US Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia called on the Biden administration to explain why it has twice moved to transfer weapons to Israel without congressional oversight. ”
Posted by: teri | Jan 1 2024 15:26 utc | 131
They just want to be able to share credit for the resupply. All aid bills to Israel bypass committee with the consent of all members.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 1 2024 16:00 utc | 139

Which raises another point of interest the primary means of despatching victims throughout the Holocause years was neither gas chambers not bullets but famine and exposure: in the year after Barbarossa began two million Russian POWs died of exposure and starvation in POW camps- there was no shelter and they received no food.
Posted by: bevin | Jan 1 2024 15:51 utc | 137
The exact same Nazi death ritual is being played out in Gaza as we speak. The primary means of execution being Izzrael’s control of nutrients moving into the strip.
All we’re waiting for now are the pictures of emaciated bodies, not yet breathed their last, stacked high in the zionist death camps …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 16:34 utc | 140

@ bevin | Jan 1 2024 15:51 utc | 137
Hear, hear! All true.

Posted by: Cabe | Jan 1 2024 16:49 utc | 141

@ RJPJR
Wow, Thankyou for the postings, a tour de force on this slightly hungover New Year’s Day afternoon.
I’m going to have to come back and look again when sober and the other contributions.
A lively debate that as usual is diverted into blind allies.
Even attempts at directly trying to incite judaeophobia!
Many thanks.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 1 2024 16:49 utc | 142

fyi
JUST NOW! Massive Explosions Shakes Israel; Tel Aviv, Ashkelon, Kyrat Shimona Hit; This is Huge!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgaydOVpi9E [13 mins

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 1 2024 16:55 utc | 143

pq 128
You are right.
Thanks for the script.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 1 2024 17:09 utc | 144

Jaime, at 84, quoted re Lavrov: “LAVROV stated that Russia country will not agree to a settlement in the Middle East that affects Israel’s security and does not provide for the establishment of a Palestinian state.”
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If the UN General Assembly were to revisit Resolution 181 thrusting Jews from far away onto the Palestinian homeland, they would notice that in accord with well-known historical and cultural features of Jewish religion and culture, the respect for Palestinian dignity and honour that were called for was already in the planning to be violated. It would be unthinkable, knowing what we know, to allow European convert Jews to settle there.
The large war that seems to be in the offing, by the force of the Hamas coup and the willingness of Gazans to be martyred for their homeland, is turning out to be the war to end the Jew World Order.
An outcome of Palestine for the Palestinians can still be reconciled with a settlement that preserves Israel’s security in a far more stable way than in an ever-contested Palestine. The Jewish community, by the usual foresight of its leaders has already arranged a far better fallback homeland for themselves. A Brit Jew billionaire has bought a swath of Patagonia three times the size of Palestine, and for several years now it has been guarded by Israeli security. The new order in Argentina seems to be well suited to this, with the new president readying to convert to Judaism.
It’s hard to fathom the compromises Putin is always ready to endure to assure Jewish interests. Whatever his private agenda, let’s hope it does not come in the way of reason and justice here.

Posted by: sarz | Jan 1 2024 17:13 utc | 145

I am not optimistic about writing to politicians because they know that people are limited to two candidates
My preference is economic pressure.
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 1 2024 15:41 utc | 136
How about optimism as a New Year’s resolution? There are going to be many independents now.
It’s not an either / or choice. All actions add up.
Economic boycotts are effective if you shut down companies with direct action but who are not big shoppers … don’t have pressure points.
Unless you are the Prince of KSA in which case you will remember that King Faisal was assassinated after the oil embargo.
Morsi died in a strange way too. He went to Gaza to show solidarity when Israel was bombing it in 2012 and that stopped the bombing after 8 days. But he was deposed a year later and basically died in prison.
Little actions together can also help as bigger actions have bigger consequences.
When people in Gaza see photos of protest marches, it helps in a little way too.

Posted by: Pq | Jan 1 2024 17:58 utc | 146

146
“How about optimism as a New Year’s resolution? There are going to be many independents now.
It’s not an either / or choice. All actions add up. ”
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I agree.
Avoid predicting outcomes.
Just do it.
And do it again.
Check it off on your calendar every day.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 1 2024 18:07 utc | 147

A Brit Jew billionaire has bought a swath of Patagonia three times the size of Palestine, and for several years now it has been guarded by Israeli security. The new order in Argentina seems to be well suited to this, with the new president readying to convert to Judaism.
Posted by: sarz | Jan 1 2024 17:13 utc | 145
Somehow I feel like I’ve heard this story before …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 18:11 utc | 148

Bertrand Russell’s last letter 1970 on Palestine
It could have been written yesterday
12 mins and well worth listening to:
Britain’s Most Famous Philosopher on Zionism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egfCTz-ZuZU

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 1 2024 18:18 utc | 149

I was at a protest in Portland yesterday and a large junk of it was focused on not giving the vote to either party to go totally independent. These 20 something’s seem to get that voting for the same thing is going to mean the slaughter of many many more. They debunked the D trump BS and the Bs coming from the right they talked a lot about capitalism as well as colonialism. It was really good to hear this.
Someone up above was going on about how native americans were not genocided. What planet did you come from? They were very much gemnocided, their lands were stolen their women raped. Read a little about the trail of tears. What the tribes go through continues to this day, from water rights being removed, to oil companies being given the right to put pipelines through their lands. Maybe take a trip to ND and talk to the tribes there. Maybe you are from the Dakota’s were the racism is so thick you can’t cut through it. Your BS about what tribal families get is also total BS as the US sits on all that tribal money.

Posted by: Susan | Jan 1 2024 18:50 utc | 150

https://t.me/rnintel/6509
This video purports to show the houthi boats being blasted. I have some difficulty believing this. It looks old video quality and the fire is not from a helicopter , more a deck gun from some Somali pirates a decade or so ago. But anyway that’s telegram info. Some smart person could look and find it was published a long time ago. Although I did see the houthi post up martyr images of those that died. Usa lies so much I’m cynical regarding their PR, was it a group of Taliban or a boy with his goat herd.

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 1 2024 19:10 utc | 151

Native Americans also Genocided Themselves
“Someone up above was going on about how native americans were not genocided. What planet did you come from? They were very much gemnocided, their lands were stolen their women raped. Read a little about the trail of tears.”
Posted by: Susan | Jan 1 2024 18:50 utc | 150
Yes, white people genocided indigenous peoples but the Indigenous tribes also genocided fellow tribes. In 1521 the Aztecs sacrificed 80,000 captives from other tribes in one day:
“Reading these accounts hundreds of years later, many historians dismissed the 16th-century reports as wildly exaggerated propaganda meant to justify the murder of Aztec emperor Moctezuma, the ruthless destruction of Tenochtitlán and the enslavement of its people. But in 2015 and 2018, archeologists working at the Templo Mayor excavation site in Mexico City discovered proof of widespread human sacrifice among the Aztecs—none other than the very skull towers and skull racks that conquistadors had described in their accounts.
While it’s true that the Spanish undoubtedly inflated their figures—Spanish historian Fray Diego de Durán reported that 80,400 men, women and children were sacrificed for the inauguration of the Templo Mayor under a previous Aztec emperor—evidence is mounting that the gruesome scenes illustrated in Spanish texts, and preserved in temple murals and stone carvings, are true. Why did they carry out such brutal ceremonies? John Verano, an anthropology professor at Tulane University, explains the practice held spiritual significance for the Aztecs.
It was a deeply serious and important thing for them,” says Verano. Large and small human sacrifices would be made throughout the year to coincide with important calendar dates, he explains, to dedicate temples, to reverse drought and famine, and more.”
1. https://www.history.com/news/aztec-human-sacrifice-religion

Posted by: canuck | Jan 1 2024 19:27 utc | 152

“That depends on whether your morality thinks that helping USUKIS genocide the Muslim populations of Yugoslavia , Africa, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria and Yemen.”
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Attention KGB and USSR (c.f. “70 years”) fanboys:
https://avarchives.icrc.org/Picture/49009
“These were bad Muslims in Chechnya, opposing the will of God’s chosen, the Sainted Spook”.

Posted by: robinthehood | Jan 1 2024 19:42 utc | 153

Don Firineach 143
The OMT clip seems from the Posh British accent to be fake news. The Israeli politicians seem to be wearing fake European noses. Maybe filmed in North London earlier today.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 19:51 utc | 154

robinthehood 153
Best to leave other people’s marriages alone, otherwise you the interferer always get the blame.
It wasn’t the Chechnyans who annoyed the Soviets, it was FUKUSIS and its prehistoric Great Game of realising that they had somehow forgotten in their westerly migrations to colonise Russia.
The poor Chechnyans got the full rage of a thousand years of Great Game provocations.
I would say that after the latest provocation in Ukraine, the next small country to piss off Moscow, however tiny, will also end up getting flattened.
Everyday Putin flexes his index finger on the Kinzal trigger pointing to Tel Aviv, then he puts it back in a velvet-lined casket for another day. Or have I been watching too many James Bond films ?

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 20:17 utc | 155

AnyHu, thanks for bringing up Muslims getting terrorized and killed in their native lands by some evil empire. Good reminder for all Muslims about friends and “partners”.
Speaking of Putin’s ‘overcoming the “sick nationalists” in Chechnya’ and its implementation, it is now clear that Nutty was trying to do a Chechnya in Gaza with Hamas ala Roos. So this Gaza ala Roos plan didn’t work out or maybe that is the plan.

Posted by: robinthehood | Jan 1 2024 20:17 utc | 156

Giyane 154
I noticed the British accent. Of course, someone with that accent could be anywhere.
I cannot judge the missile footage. No idea what I am looking at.
The latter half of the video contains footage of a number of protests in cities around the world. That looked genuine to me. Quite a lot from Boston, Mass., USA, starting around 10:30. .

Posted by: Jane | Jan 1 2024 20:20 utc | 157

robinthehood
Inshallah

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 20:22 utc | 158

The best course for us armchair warriors is the economic boycott.
Already McDonald’s is closing restaurants in the Muslim world, and business is down in the US.
Starbucks has already lost 11 billions, much of it can be blamed on the ongoing recession/ inflation, but some of it is already being blamed on boycotts.
Sooner of later, their political support of the zionist state it will hurt their pocketbooks, and hopefully will loosen their grip on our corrupt politicians.
Keep it up!
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 31 2023 18:23 utc | 28
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I can’t tell if you’re naive or a troll. So, kudos to you for the ambiguity.
Boycotts won’t change anything like voting doesn’t change anything.
Money is created out of thin air, why would any of these “losses” matter when the entire economic game is rigged all over the West?
These corporations control the governments in the West. Only in China and Russia do the corporations have to answer to the state.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 1 2024 20:31 utc | 159

Inshallah Russia or China will arm the
Muslims , harnessing the Muslim rage at the Occupied Middle East and Occupied Pakistan not lifting a finger to help the Palestinians. Personally, I judge that moment to be imminent. One cannot wait for the perfect moment in time, Palestinians are starving and vulnerable right now. Carpe diem.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 20:32 utc | 160

Why isn’t Congress—or at least someone in Congress—screeching about this?
It is infuriating!
An American citizen
Posted by: Jane | Jan 1 2024 14:09 utc | 118
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It is well understood that AIPAC owns Congress. You’re complaining about the symptoms, not the cause of the disease. And no, I’m not talking about Jews or even Israel. I’m talking about the incentives for politicians to cater to outside interests because their home constituency isn’t important to them, which is a flaw inherited from the early Republic when no one could imagine the weaponization of campaign funding or the pols living full-time in DC.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 1 2024 20:35 utc | 161

bevin | Jan 1 2024 15:51 utc | 137
*** Holocaust denial, which will only increase so long as it is a semi-legal or illegal activity …***
But it is not that simple a matter……
Do you regard questioning as “denial”?
Do you consider that unquestioning deference and believing (or reluctantly having to pretend to believe) whatever the Political Establishment dictates — however extreme, selective, ulterior motived or absurd that might be — is the basis of a sane society?

Posted by: Cynic | Jan 1 2024 20:36 utc | 162

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 20:32 utc | 160
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We already know that Palestine will be Arab, we just don’t know exactly when or how.
Trust in Allah.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 1 2024 20:37 utc | 163

Sorry bevin, poor wording by me — didn’t mean the “you” as in you personally.

Posted by: Cynic | Jan 1 2024 20:38 utc | 164

Jane
Comment 143 looks to me like clickbait.
Maybe 2 kilos of anglers dried maggot eggs for people who are hungry for Gaza news.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 20:42 utc | 165

It’s time to rise and shine
the brass balls of the swine
who currently are killing
all the kids in Palestine
There’s an army up in heaven
made by JewSA
the ranks are filled with children
that the jews decide to slay

Posted by: ld | Jan 1 2024 20:45 utc | 166

@ Giyane | Jan 1 2024 19:51 utc | 154
Not sure what you are smoking … or tripping on poor acid … most in this video is supported elsewhere … that said, OMT does gild the lilly somewhat at times
from Al Jazeera
Hamas carried out dozens of attacks against Israeli forces: Spokesman Abu Obeida
Abu Obeida, spokesman of Hamas’s armed wing the Qassam Brigades, says the group has destroyed 71 Israeli military vehicles fully or partially in the past four days.
“Our fighters have confirmed the killing of 16 Zionist soldiers and injured dozens [of] others, carrying out 42 military missions,” Abu Obeida said in a statement.
He said the attacks included shelling Israeli positions and targeting them with explosive devices as well as clashes from “distance zero” and the booby-trapping of homes and tunnel shafts where the Israeli military was operating.
According to Abu Obeida, Hamas fighters also brought down two Israeli surveillance drones in Gaza as they continued to fire rockets towards Tel Aviv.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 1 2024 20:54 utc | 167

imagine if this was your child
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/health/over-1-000-children-in-gaza-have-had-one-or-two-legs-amputat
Over 1,000 children in Gaza have had one or two legs amputated: UNICEF
“In light of the worsening health crisis attributed to the Israeli siege and the acute scarcity of medical resources, UNICEF clarified that medical professionals in Gaza find themselves compelled to conduct amputations. These procedures are not only carried out without anesthetics but also involve swift operations conducted outside formal health facilities, further exacerbated by the absence of palliative medications…..”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 1 2024 20:54 utc | 168

Megatron
@Megatron_ron
BREAKING:
⚡ 🇮🇱 Yedioth Ahronoth:
“Nova Concert victims sue Israel”
42 victims of the Oct. 7 Nova concert have filed a civil lawsuit against the IDF, police, and Israel’s internal security service.
Lawsuit alleges negligence and a failure to act on warnings of a potential security threat.
Several victims have already decided to publicly comment that the Israeli army fired at them out of control. A police investigation also confirmed that many of the October 7 victims were killed by the IDF.
https://twitter.com/Megatron_ron/status/1741857083463467431

Posted by: Menz | Jan 1 2024 21:02 utc | 169

@ Giyane
One expects good Muslims to do their duty … this is Al Aqsa which is being desecrated and planning permission for its demolition has been granted by the Zionist Regime
A question: Where is the Islamic International Brigade?
The Qassam Brigades could do with some assistance ….

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 1 2024 21:05 utc | 170

Hey Canuck
Happy New Year!
Yes man is not not a very civil creature! I spent some time over the years working with West coast tribes the Canadian tribes seem to be in a better place then ours over all. I am thinking the tribes up by the Alberta oil field maybe not so much. Like the Dakota tribes, or Navaho Hopi. Where oil and water have been used over and over again to make life difficult. The tribes in Canada were great to work with on wild salmon, vs farmed salmon. In the states if you don’t have a casino you struggle along in poverty.

Posted by: Susan | Jan 1 2024 21:26 utc | 171

In 1521 the Aztecs sacrificed 80,000 captives from other tribes in one day
Posted by: canuck | Jan 1 2024 19:27 utc | 152
Is the Conquistador 16th century tik tok version of baked babies and 40 beheaded babies in order to justify self defence?

Posted by: pq | Jan 1 2024 21:29 utc | 172

the UK does send one of its two US-aircraft carriers to war with the Houthis, perhaps it’s a cunning plan by the UK regime to conveniently get rid of a leaking, badly assembled white elephant?
Posted by: Cynic | Jan 1 2024 12:16 utc | 111
“HMS Queen Elizabeth is intended to carry 36 fighter jets. She has just eight aboard – and that isn’t the end of the problems”
LEWIS PAGE
22 September 2023 • 6:00am
Lewis Page
HMS Queen Elizabeth Aircraft Carrier

Posted by: canuck | Jan 1 2024 21:39 utc | 173

I would like to know why many Countries have not broken off Diplomatic relations with the gangster state of Israel? also an Arab Army should have entered Gaza by now through Egypt to take those Zionist thugs on.

Posted by: Englishman | Jan 1 2024 21:52 utc | 174

I would like to know why many Countries have not broken off Diplomatic relations with the gangster state of Israel? also an Arab Army should have entered Gaza by now through Egypt to take those Zionist thugs on.
Posted by: Englishman | Jan 1 2024 21:52 utc | 174
Well said Englishman.
+1

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 1 2024 22:11 utc | 175

In 1521 the Aztecs sacrificed 80,000 captives from other tribes in one day
Posted by: canuck | Jan 1 2024 19:27 utc | 152
Pales in comparison to the European captives sacrificed by the Nazis during WW2.
Perhaps in light of that the current colonization of Europe by the brown skinned masses is well deserved …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 22:12 utc | 176

In 1521 the Aztecs sacrificed 80,000 captives from other tribes in one day
Posted by: canuck | Jan 1 2024 19:27 utc | 152
Pales in comparison to the European captives sacrificed by the Nazis during WW2.
Perhaps in light of that the current colonization of Europe by the brown skinned masses is well deserved …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 22:12 utc | 177

I would like to know why many Countries have not broken off Diplomatic relations with the gangster state of Israel? also an Arab Army should have entered Gaza by now through Egypt to take those Zionist thugs on.
Posted by: Englishman | Jan 1 2024 21:52 utc | 174
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I agree.
I don’t understand why Arab nations don’t challenge the genocidal thug.
Was it in 2014 that Russia sent humanitarian convoys to the Donbass? White trucks?
Why can’t the same happen now?
Of course Russia has a border with the Donbass.
But Jordan and Egypt have borders with the Occupation.
Why doesn’t the UN put together peacekeeping units to guard humanitarian aid and to make sure the trucks get into Gaza and food and water are delivered to the Gazans. And to defend the aid against the Occupation military.
Why is anyone letting open murderers determine
The Occupier’s excuses are so shopworn (Hamas will steal aid). Particularly in light of the aid that the genocidaires are getting every day from the USA.
Why must normal nonpsychotic people be forced to treat this obnoxious pilpul as somehow valid, overriding the reality of ongoing civilian deaths by bombing, thirst, starvation, disease, and untended wounds.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 1 2024 22:28 utc | 178

Yes, white people genocided indigenous peoples but the Indigenous tribes also genocided fellow tribes. In 1521 the Aztecs sacrificed 80,000 captives from other tribes in one day:
Posted by: canuck | Jan 1 2024 19:27 utc | 152

Completely ludicrous. It never happened like that. In one day they would have needed 100 priest sacrificing 1 captive every minute. It would have needed the place to keep the captives captive. It was never a genocide, for the wars were not intended to kill the enemy but to take captives. The captives were fed for weeks or even months and then sent to the butchery: the heart and the blood for the gods and the meat for the people.
The lie is obvious. This practice was not new and was used for many years, if not centuries.
It was never a genocide, for they needed a constant set of captives, and thus a pool of enemies, alive and in good health. If eradication would have occurred, no more captive, very bad for their gods and the sun.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 1 2024 22:32 utc | 179

Posted by: sarz | Jan 1 2024 17:13 utc | 145
Somehow I feel like I’ve heard this story before …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 18:11 utc | 148
If you research this , it’s a very significant parcel of land. Started off as a small camp 11,000 acres and touted as a resort for IDF soldiers on leave , has private security ,ie private land in a nation foreigners normally can’t own. Joe Lewis is the british guy. the holdings have expanded overtime, so that the original lake property is now just the water source for the rest of the planned developments. Plan Andinia, is the ADL, conspiracy theory, associated with it. Always worth looking up Zwi Migdal, the argentinian Jewish Mafia and its activities from around ww2 until now.

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 1 2024 22:49 utc | 180

If you research this , it’s a very significant parcel of land …
Posted by: Hankster | Jan 1 2024 22:49 utc | 180
I should have said it more explicitly. I got hanged on my own “snark petard”.
I meant to say the “we purchased land for a new state” nonsense is starting again just like it did 100 years ago.
Next they’ll claim land deeds are translatable into national boundaries.
“A land without a people for people without a land” and nonsense like that again.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 22:58 utc | 181

A question: Where is the Islamic International Brigade?
Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 1 2024 21:05 utc | 170
I would like to know why many Countries have not broken off Diplomatic relations with the gangster state of Israel? also an Arab Army should have entered Gaza by now through Egypt to take those Zionist thugs on.
Posted by: Englishman | Jan 1 2024 21:52 utc | 174
WHAT have England UK / EU / US / Russia done about breaking off relations with Israel? They are the only ones with power over Israel.
They are the Quartet that took over when Oslo was deliberately failed.
WHY does it have to be an Islamic Brigade when it is “Christian” nations supplying the arms? One of the resistance groups in Palestine is a secular group. PLFP.
Why distract from settler colonialism with religion?
You guys sound like Lindsey Graham cheering for WWIII. Or maybe you are standing in for G, Fake James and Genocidal seem to be taking a day off. Hasbara got a day off.
Without about as much knowledge (lack of). MbS remembers that his grandfather King Faisal did an oil embargo in 1973 and it led to his assassination. So yes, I’d play it carefully if I were them when dealing with a bunch of psychopathic nuclear powers: UK, US, Israel, France and who knows what team Russia is on in West Asia.

Posted by: Pq | Jan 1 2024 23:12 utc | 182

USA sells lots lots shells to IDF.. surely we had thought the cupboard was bare for such armaments….for Ukraine… is Z fuming he aint top of the list….or maybe he cannot pay but was expecting a gift.. ?

Posted by: Jo | Jan 1 2024 23:33 utc | 183

Mehdi Mabrouk, writing in alaraby aljadid, has been circling around this question: Since the proponents of civilized, enlightenment values have show themselves to be little more than bloodthirsty sadists at best, should we in the rest of the world and the arab world in particular, conclude that those values are a sham, and always were, only now the mask has fallen for all to see, so that we should revert to some other foundational principles, or should we just see this as a huge case of hypocricy and leave our thought-world unchanged?
Here is his latest. https://www.alaraby.co.uk/opinion/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D8%B1%D8%A8-%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%BA%D8%B2%D9%91%D8%A9-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AE%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%89

Posted by: Badger | Jan 1 2024 23:38 utc | 184

machine translation will give you the gist

Posted by: Badger | Jan 1 2024 23:40 utc | 185

I did read today that Russians shot down IDF missiles in Syria… that is a bit of a change……I really did read that somewhere…..

Posted by: Jo | Jan 2 2024 0:04 utc | 186

One expects good Muslims to do their duty …
Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 1 2024 21:05 utc | 170
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And what exactly does Allah (SWT) command Muslims to do?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 2 2024 0:16 utc | 187

Since the proponents of civilized, enlightenment values have show themselves to be little more than bloodthirsty sadists at best, should we in the rest of the world and the arab world in particular, conclude that those values are a sham, and always were, only now the mask has fallen for all to see, so that we should revert to some other foundational principles, or should we just see this as a huge case of hypocricy and leave our thought-world unchanged?
Posted by: Badger | Jan 1 2024 23:38 utc | 184
I proposed this at the beginning of the conflict (on an earlier thread) but I realized, after a long period of thought, that by and large the values themselves are fine.
It is the Western proponents of these values who are a sham.
Any charlatan can compile a book of holy rules. Very few can live in accordance with them.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 2 2024 0:26 utc | 188

Hankster | Jan 1 2024 22:49 utc | 180 ….
Aren’t supposedly ‘other’ Oligarchs of the Bill Gates type in on the Patagonia bolt-hole stuff as well?

Posted by: Cynic | Jan 2 2024 0:27 utc | 189

I don’t understand why Arab nations don’t challenge the genocidal thug.
Posted by: Jane | Jan 1 2024 22:28 utc | 178
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If you want to understand, as difficult as it will be, try not to think like a Westerner.
Listen to this video if you want to understand the Islamic position.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 2 2024 0:28 utc | 190

Why won’t any country that could kill the rat that keeps shitting in the world’s flour do so?
Isn’t the answer obvious?
The rat’s claws and teeth are longer and stronger than you have been willing to believe!
The jew world order has already metastasized, eh?
Now what?

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 2 2024 0:46 utc | 191

Hassan Mafi ‏
@thatdayin1992
·
14h
I love the Irish.
This is how people in Dublin, Ireland, started 2024.
https://twitter.com/thatdayin1992/status/1741771668266029287

Posted by: Menz | Jan 2 2024 0:46 utc | 192

Menz! God love the Irish!! Best of the day – thanks!

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 2 2024 0:50 utc | 193

@And what exactly does Allah (SWT) command Muslims to do?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 2 2024 0:16 utc | 187
Allah (PBH) would probably expect Muslims to protect Al Aqsa in Jerusalem, the third holiest site in Islam after Mecca and Medinah … the Zionists wish to demolish it as they are demolishing Gaza … and then onto the west Bank
Hamas named the Oct 7 attack as ‘Al Aqsa Flood’ – a name which resonates with over a billion followers of Islam.
Zionism vs Islam – eschatological as Cooke would put it. The Houtis get it – and worth noting that the Houtis are a distinct branch of Shia Islam – as are Hezbollah,the governing party in Syria, and probably the active militia in Iraq. Iran ,of course is both the intellectual and military Shia power.
The Sunni Saudis, having banished the Hashemites to poor Jordan, are the driving force in (somewhat extreme) Wahabbi Islam – and an ally of the USA. The Sunni Sheiks in KSA and UAE, and Egypt, are basically terrified of the populist Muslim Brotherhood – the origin of Hamas – UAE, for example, eliminated its leadership in Southern Yemen with the assistance of a US mercenary group. Qatar,very cleverly with a strategic eye on the long term, (also an ally of the US) have reached an accommodation with populist Islam,as has Turkey. Yet, the Sunni are sitting on the fence – the Resistance at the mo – outside largely Sunni Gaza, is predominantly Shia

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 2 2024 0:53 utc | 194

@ Badger #184. On the failure to realiza enlightenment values in the imperial west
Mattias Desmet recently gave a talk in which he expressed his view on the why of the failure of Enlightenment values, and a remedy for those within the beast.
The bar talked a bit about his last book, The Psychology of Totalitarianism, introduced by Grieved. Whilst Desmet skips over class issues, the psychological aspect is worthy of a look imo.
I cannot link to source ZH, so i impose upon barflies, posting much of the speech. Skip over with ease, or not.
The issue is linked directly to Palestine genocide although would be best discussed on open thread.

Mattias talking:
Dear Audience
As some of you might know, I wrote a book, titled “The Psychology of Totalitarianism.” It is about a new kind of totalitarianism that is emerging now, a totalitarianism which is not so much a communist or fascist totalitarianism, but a technocratic totalitarianism.
I have articulated my theory on totalitarianism on so many occasions. I will only present the gist of it here and move on to a problem which is particularly relevant for an address in a political institution such as this parliament: the perversion of political discourse in the Enlightenment tradition.
Here is in a nutshell what I articulated on totalitarianism throughout the last years: totalitarianism is not a coincidence. It is a logical consequence of our materialist-rationalist view on man and the world. When this view on man and the world became dominant, as a spontaneous consequence, a new elite ánd a new population emerged. A new elite that excessively used propaganda as a means to control and steer the population; and a population which lapsed more and more into loneliness and disconnectedness, both from its social and its natural environment.
These two evolutions, the emergence of an elite that uses propaganda and a lonely population, reinforced each other. The lonely state is exactly the state in which a population is vulnerable for propaganda. In this way, a new kind of masses or crowds emerged throughout the last two centuries: the so-called lonely masses.
People fall prey to mass formation to escape a pervasive feeling of loneliness and disconnectedness, induced by the rationalization of the world and the ensuing industrialization of the world and the excessive use of technology. They merge together in fanatic mass behavior because this seems to free them from their lonely, atomized state.
And that is exactly the big illusion of mass formation: belonging to a mass doesn’t liberate a human being from its lonely state. Not at all. A mass is a group that is formed, not because individuals connect to each other, but because each individual separately is connected to a collective ideal. The longer a mass formation exists, the more solidarity they feel for the collective and the less solidarity and love they feel for other individuals….
Today, here, in the Romanian parliament, a political institution, I address politicians. I want to tell you that politicians have a particular responsibility in these times of emerging totalitarianism. Totalitarianism, as Hannah Arendt said, is a diabolic pact between the masses and the political elites. Political elites need to contemplate –scrutinize the ethical qualities of their speech. There is something wrong with political discourse. This is what I intend to say: political discourse is perverted.
For instance, we got used to the fact that politicians, once they are elected, never do what they promised to do in their election speeches. How far are we removed from political virtue as described by Aristotle. For Aristotle, the core of political virtue was the courage to speak the Truth, or, to use the Greek term, Parrhesia, bold speech, in which someone says exactly this what society doesn’t want to hear, but which is necessary to keep it psychologically healthy.
I am not so much accusing individual politicians here; I am addressing political culture in general. And even more, I am talking about a perversion that is inherent to the entire tradition of Enlightenment. Our society is in the grip of a specific type of lying, a kind of lying that is historically speaking relatively new, that emerged for the first time after the French Revolution, when the religious view on man and the world was replaced by our current, rationalist-materialist worldview. What am I talking about when I refer to this ‘new kind of lie?’ I am talking about the phenomenon of ‘propaganda.’
Propaganda is everywhere around us. Public space is saturated with it. Recent years have illustrated that abundantly, during the coronacrisis, during the Ukraine crisis, and now, even more clearly, during the coverage of the Israel-Palestine conflict on both mainstream and social media.
It is not that I do not understand the motivation of those who choose for propaganda. They often start from good intentions. Or at least: somewhere, they do believe in their good intentions. Read the work of the founding fathers of propaganda, such as Lippman, Trotter, and Bernays. They believe that the only way for the leaders to keep control in society and to prevent society of lapsing into chaos is propaganda.
The leaders cannot overtly impose their will anymore to the population. Nobody would accept that within a materialist-rationalist society. Hence, the only way to make the population do what the leaders want, is to make them do what the leaders want without them knowing that they do what the leaders want. In others words: the only way to control the population is through manipulation.
The people in favor of propaganda will argue that we can never tackle the challenges of climate change and viral outbreaks through democratic means. They will ask: ‘Do you think people will voluntarily give up their cars and flying holidays? To escape disaster, we need technocracy, a society led by technical experts, and to install technocracy, we need to mislead the population, we need to manipulate them into technocracy.’
First of all, I want to tell you that I don’t believe technocracy is a solution to the problem. But that’s not what matters most. Let me tell you something: to try to create a good society for the human being through manipulation, is a contradictio in terminis. The essence and core of a good society is exactly the ethical quality of public discourse. Man, in the end, essentially is an ethical being, and to pervert man’s speech is to pervert man itself; to pervert political speech is to pervert society itself.
To give up sincerity in order to create a good society is to try to build a good society by giving up immediately, from the beginning, the essence of a good society (!). Truthful speech is not a means towards an end, it is the end in itself; sincere speech is what makes us human and humane.
This is crucial to understand: propaganda is not a historical coincidence, it is a structural consequence of rationalism.
If you consider the psychological structure of our current society, it’s fair to say that propaganda is the major guiding principle. In a remarkable way, the pursuit of rationality during the tradition of Enlightenment didn’t lead to more Truthful speech, as the founding fathers of this tradition believed. Science would replace questionable religious and other myths; society would finally be organized according to reliable information instead of subjective conjectures. Now, a few centuries later, this turned out to be an illusion. There has never been as much unreliable information as now in public space.
The materialist-rationalist view on man and the world, in a strange way, rather led to the opposite of what it expected. As soon as we started to conceive the human being as a mechanistic, biological entity, for whom the highest attainable goal was survival, it became rather unfashionable to try to speak the Truth. Speaking the Truth, the Ancient Greeks knew that very well, doesn’t maximize your chances on survival. The Truth is always risky. ‘No one is hated more than he who speaks the Truth,’ Plato said. Hence, within a materialist-rationalist tradition, speaking the Truth is something stupid to do. Only idiots do it. That’s how the fanatic pursuit of rationality led us astray, straight into the dark wood of Dante, ‘where the right road is wholly lost and gone.
This materialist-rationalist view on man and the world—why do we actually cling to it? It loves to present itself as the scientific view on man and the world. Let me tell you that this is nonsense. All seminal scientists concluded exactly the opposite: in the end, the essence of life always escapes rationality, it transcends the categories of rational thinking. To name only one major scientist: in the preface of a book of Max Planck, Einstein claimed that it is a mistake to believe that science originates from supreme logical-rational thinking; it originates from what he called a capacity for ‘einfühlung’ in the object one investigates, which means as much as ‘a capacity to empathically resonate with the object you are investigating.’
Rationality is a good thing and we need to walk the path of rationality as far as possible, but it is not the end goal. Rational knowledge is not a goal in itself; it is a stairway to a kind of knowledge that transcends rationality, a resonating knowledge, the kind of supreme intuition the martial arts of the Samurai culture aimed for throughout their technical training. It is at that level that we can situate the phenomenon of Truth.
This brings us closer to an answer to the question: what is the remedy to the disease of totalitarianism? Can we do something about totalitarianism? My answer is simple and straight: yes. The powerless do have power.
Propaganda-induced mass formation is a fake, symptomatic solution for loneliness. And the real solution lies in the Art of Sincere Speech. My next book, which I am writing now, is all about the psychology of Truth. Truth, by definition, from a psychological point of view, is resonating speech, it is speech which connects people, from core to core, from soul to soul, speech that penetrates through the veil of appearances, through the ideal images we hide behind, the imaginary shells we seek refuge in, and reconnects the shivering and disconnected soul of one human being to that of another human being.
Here we observe something crucial: sincere speech is the real cure for loneliness—it reconnects people. As such, it takes away the root cause of the major symptom of our rationalist culture—mass formation and totalitarianism. And at the same time, sincere speech also inhibits this symptom in a more straightforward way. It is well known that, if there are some people who continue to speak in a sincere way when mass formation is emerging, the masses do not go to the ultimate stage where they start to think it is their duty to destroy each and everyone who doesn’t follow the totalitarian ideology.
At every moment we chose to speak out in a sincere way, no matter where this happens, in a newspaper or a television interview, but equally well in the presence of only one other person at the kitchen table or in the supermarket, we help to cure society from the disease of totalitarianism.
You have to take this literally. Society, as a psychological system, is a complex dynamical system. And complex dynamical systems have the fascinating characteristic of so-called sensitivity to initial conditions. To put it simple: the smallest changes in one minor detail of the system affect the entire system. For instance, the smallest change in the vibration pattern of one water molecule in a boiling pot of water changes the entire convection pattern of the boiling water.
Nobody is powerless. And hence, every single one of us is responsible. Each and everyone who speaks a sincere word and succeeds in truly connecting as a human being to another human being, in particular a human being with a different opinion, deserves to be mentioned in the books of history, much more than a president or a minister who engages in propaganda and fails to show the courage to speak sincerely.
The more I study the effects of speech on the human being and on humans living together, the more hopeful I become and the more I see that we will overcome totalitarianism.
We shouldn’t be naïve when we talk about the Truth. Endless are the atrocities in history committed by people who believed they possessed the Truth. Truth is an elusive phenomenon; we can enjoy its presence from time to time, but we can never claim it or possess it.
Sincere speech is an art. An art we have to learn step by step. An art we can progressively master. That’s exactly why I started workshops on the Art of Speech—workshops in which we practice that art in the same perseverant, disciplined way as any other art is practiced.
Practicing this art implies that we overcome our own fanatic convictions, and even more, our own narcissism and ego. Truth speech is this kind of speech which penetrates through what I call ‘the veil of appearances.’ To practice it, you have to be willing to sacrifice your ideal image; your public reputation. That is exactly what the Parrhesia in Ancient Greek culture meant: speaking out, even if you know that those who find their stronghold in the world of appearances will target you.
Truth-telling can make you lose something. That is for sure. But it also gives you something. To be more psychologically precise: Truth speech makes you lose something at the level of the Ego and win something at the level of the soul. I am quite fascinated by the way in which sincere speech leads to psychological strength.
I think Mahatma Gandhi provides us with a splendid historical example. A few years ago, I started to read his autobiography. I did so at the moment I started to realize that the only efficient resistance against totalitarianism is non-violent resistance. Of course this only applies to internal resistance, resistance from within the totalitarian system. External enemies can destroy totalitarian systems from without. That’s for sure.
But internal resistance, as I mentioned, can only be successful if it is non-violent in nature. All violent resistance will rather speed up the process of totalitarization, just because it is always used by the totalitarian leaders to create support in the masses to destroy each and everyone who goes against the system. Once I realized that, I became interested in what Gandhi had to say in his autobiography.
I was happily surprised to see the title: “Experiments on Truth.” And from the first pages, I learned that for Gandhi, the core and essence of non-violent resistance is sincere speech. His entire life, Gandhi tried to improve the sincerity of his speech. He did so in a simple, almost childish and naïve way, wondering every evening how sincere he had spoken that day, where he had lied or when he could have spoken more accurately or sincerely.
And here is something important: in the beginning of his biography, Gandhi mentions something magnificent. He says: I actually had no major talents. I was not handsome as a man, I didn’t have much physical strength, I was not intelligent at school, I was not a good writer, and I was not talented as a speaker. But he had this passion for sincerity and Truth. And this man, devoid of any major talents, but with a passion for sincere speech, this man did something even the strongest army in the world couldn’t do: he kicked out the English of India.
The better you start to see the almost endless horizon of possibilities offered by speech, the more you realize: it is words that rule the world. The human being can use words in a manipulative way, as pure rhetoric, indoctrination, propaganda, or brain-washing trying to convince the Other of something it doesn’t believe in itself. Or it can use words in a sincere way, trying to convey something to a fellow human being it feels inside itself. That is the most fundamental and existential choice human beings face: to use words in one or the other way.
Dear politicians of Romania and abroad, this is what I want to tell you today: it’s time for a metaphysical revolution. And you are ought to play a major role in it. The series of crises our society goes through are nothing else than a metaphysical revolution, which, essentially, boils down to this: the switch from a society that functions according to the propaganda principle to a society that is oriented towards Truth.
We need a new political culture, a culture that re-appreciates the value of Truth Telling. We need a new political discourse, a political discourse that leaves the shallow, hollow rhetorics, and propaganda behind and speaks from the soul, from the heart; we need politicians to become true leaders again, leaders who lead rather than mislead the population. Mattias Desmet

Posted by: suzan | Jan 2 2024 0:57 utc | 195

And I want to say a special thanks as well to jane and Susan and mark and whoever else in here is taking it to the streets in protests/demonstrations on behalf of the Palestinians. I am physically unable to join you but y’all are my heroes for sure. Thank You so much! I will continue to contribute funds where it can help and I am proud of having my Save Gaza Free Palestine flag displays on my doors that face a school. Easily hundreds of kids and parents see them everyday, but I wish I could be more in the fight.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 2 2024 0:59 utc | 196

If you want to understand, as difficult as it will be, try not to think like a Westerner.
Listen to this video if you want to understand the Islamic position.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 2 2024 0:28 utc | 190
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“Try not to think like a Westerner blah blah blah”
Meaning what, exactly? Try to think.
I know the basic history of the Jews living under Islamic societies. Maybe that is what “thinking like a Westerner” means.
The video adds a few interesting details.
Certainly it didn’t cast any further light on my question.
It does not explain “the Islamic position” vis-a-vis what Arab (or Islamic) nations can or might do to stop the thugs in Zionistan, and why they are not doing anything noticeable (aside from the Houthis of the Yemen).

Posted by: Jane | Jan 2 2024 1:24 utc | 197

@196
“And I want to say a special thanks as well to jane and Susan and mark and whoever else in here is taking it to the streets in protests/demonstrations on behalf of the Palestinians. ”
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Thanks! Pretty good showing yesterday afternoon in my small town.
Many supporting honks from people driving by.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 2 2024 1:26 utc | 198

Suzan 195
Not a fan of Desmet.
He got is all wrong with covid.
A fancy way of blaming the victims for finding themselves trapped in totalitarian circumstances.
I don’t really see what he says that is of relevance to the situation in Palestine.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 2 2024 1:31 utc | 199

“..Since the proponents of civilized, enlightenment values have show themselves to be little more than bloodthirsty sadists at best, ..” Badger@184
Was there a child of the Enlightenment more characteristic of the era than the Marquis de Sade?

Posted by: bevin | Jan 2 2024 1:35 utc | 200