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December 31, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-325
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Ordinary people fighting to protect their homes with primitive weapons in hand:
If the IDF pushes ordinary people on the West Bank too far the ranks of al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades will swell and they’ll soon be taking RPG fire in alleyways. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 8:12 utc | 101 Can we stop calling this genocide and ethnic cleansing? Posted by: pq | Jan 1 2024 9:05 utc | 102 Blinken again bypasses US Congress to send munitions to Israel Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 1 2024 10:41 utc | 103 Millions of non-Jews incl. POWs were sent to death camps and gas chambers. Posted by: pq | Jan 1 2024 10:45 utc | 104 Israeli officials ‘concerned’ ICJ could charge Israel with genocide Posted by: Menz | Jan 1 2024 11:16 utc | 105 Posted by: pq | Jan 1 2024 10:45 utc | 104 Posted by: ryanggg | Jan 1 2024 11:21 utc | 106 PQ wrote: “This is why I find the revision of the Auschwitz plaque and subsequent criminalization of serious historical analysis of the narrative so troubling.” Posted by: RJPJR | Jan 1 2024 11:26 utc | 107 The later phases of HAMAS battle plan, as I predicted, are unfolding as rocket barrages start to land on Tel Aviv:
This, as I speculated on earlier threads, would signify the last stages of the attack plan of HAMAS in Gaza, i.e concentrated attacks on Izzrael’s key infrastructure (Tel Aviv, Haifa, Ashkelon). Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 11:48 utc | 108 .michaelj72 | Jan 1 2024 6:21 utc | 97 Posted by: Cynic | Jan 1 2024 12:07 utc | 109 Shapps happens to be Jewish. … Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 12:15 utc | 110 If the UK does send one of its two US-aircraft carriers to war with the Houthis, perhaps it’s a cunning plan by the UK regime to conveniently get rid of a leaking, badly assembled white elephant? Posted by: Cynic | Jan 1 2024 12:16 utc | 111 Some detail on the IDF troop rotation – pull back Posted by: Exile | Jan 1 2024 12:50 utc | 112 We can expect the ‘unknown European cuntry’ (aka fascist entity fronting up for Israel’s genocide) to be le petit roi’s France,…. Posted by: MAKK | Jan 1 2024 13:24 utc | 113 Why doesn’t Russia intervene to stop the slaughter in Gaza? Is it because they don’t want to upset Trump and his supporters (who are just as pro-Israel as Biden)? Posted by: D J G | Jan 1 2024 13:32 utc | 114 DJG 114 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 13:41 utc | 115 Putin has gained so much legitimacy from USUKIS 70 years of illegal wars, but legitimacy doesn’t translate automatically into to power. Posted by: sal | Jan 1 2024 13:50 utc | 116 Zionism was invented in the 1890’s . . . Posted by: Jane | Jan 1 2024 14:03 utc | 117 Perimetr 103 Posted by: Jane | Jan 1 2024 14:09 utc | 118 https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/10/live-updates-us-pull-aircraft-carrier-eastern-mediterranean-netanyahu-says-war Posted by: Rubiconned | Jan 1 2024 14:13 utc | 119 sal 116 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 14:14 utc | 120 @Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 1 2024 10:41 utc | 103 Posted by: librul | Jan 1 2024 14:20 utc | 121 Zionism was invented in the 1890’s . . . .British Defense Secretary said earlier today “If the Houthis continue to threaten lives and trade, we will be forced to take the necessary and appropriate action.”. . . Posted by: Jane | Jan 1 2024 14:21 utc | 123 Posted by: Exile | Jan 1 2024 12:50 utc | 112 Posted by: Chas | Jan 1 2024 14:21 utc | 124 FYI: Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 1 2024 14:33 utc | 125 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 14:14 utc | 120 Posted by: Ed | Jan 1 2024 14:34 utc | 126 FYI: Beginnings of “Sirens Calls” …Interested like everyone else of what Hezbollah Nasarallah will say come 3rd: Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 1 2024 14:45 utc | 127 Who delegated to him these emergency powers over the public purse? Posted by: pq | Jan 1 2024 15:08 utc | 128 Re: Raids outsize the Gaza Fence Posted by: Exile | Jan 1 2024 15:17 utc | 129 @81 Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Jan 1 2024 15:20 utc | 130 @ Jane 118 Posted by: teri | Jan 1 2024 15:26 utc | 131 “At Basel I founded the Jewish State. If I said this out loud today, l would be greeted by universal laughter. In five years perhaps, and certainly in fifty years, everyone will perceive it.” Posted by: benji | Jan 1 2024 15:31 utc | 132 If the IDF pushes ordinary people on the West Bank too far the ranks of al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades will swell and they’ll soon be taking RPG fire in alleyways. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 1 2024 15:36 utc | 133 If the IDF pushes ordinary people on the West Bank too far the ranks of al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades will swell and they’ll soon be taking RPG fire in alleyways. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 1 2024 15:36 utc | 134 I am not optimistic about writing to politicians because they know that people are limited to two candidates both of whom are loyal to Israel, the majority of voters have short memories while pro-israel donors have long memories since they actually have an agenda on the topic, and most Americans don’t care about what isn’t in front of them on the TV, and Fox News etc is careful to keep it off the screen at election time. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 1 2024 15:41 utc | 135 I am not optimistic about writing to politicians because they know that people are limited to two candidates both of whom are loyal to Israel, the majority of voters have short memories while pro-israel donors have long memories since they actually have an agenda on the topic, and most Americans don’t care about what isn’t in front of them on the TV, and Fox News etc is careful to keep it off the screen at election time. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 1 2024 15:41 utc | 136 “…This is an admission that the official historical record is a propaganda battle. 2.5 million deaths were erased in a day as “Commie Propaganda” and that Jews became the main victim is definitely not Zionist propaganda….” pq@104 Posted by: bevin | Jan 1 2024 15:51 utc | 137 Ed 126 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 15:57 utc | 138 “US Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia called on the Biden administration to explain why it has twice moved to transfer weapons to Israel without congressional oversight. ” Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 1 2024 16:00 utc | 139 Which raises another point of interest the primary means of despatching victims throughout the Holocause years was neither gas chambers not bullets but famine and exposure: in the year after Barbarossa began two million Russian POWs died of exposure and starvation in POW camps- there was no shelter and they received no food. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 16:34 utc | 140 @ bevin | Jan 1 2024 15:51 utc | 137 Posted by: Cabe | Jan 1 2024 16:49 utc | 141 @ RJPJR Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 1 2024 16:49 utc | 142 fyi Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 1 2024 16:55 utc | 143 Jaime, at 84, quoted re Lavrov: “LAVROV stated that Russia country will not agree to a settlement in the Middle East that affects Israel’s security and does not provide for the establishment of a Palestinian state.” Posted by: sarz | Jan 1 2024 17:13 utc | 145 I am not optimistic about writing to politicians because they know that people are limited to two candidates Posted by: Pq | Jan 1 2024 17:58 utc | 146 146 Posted by: Jane | Jan 1 2024 18:07 utc | 147 A Brit Jew billionaire has bought a swath of Patagonia three times the size of Palestine, and for several years now it has been guarded by Israeli security. The new order in Argentina seems to be well suited to this, with the new president readying to convert to Judaism. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 18:11 utc | 148 Bertrand Russell’s last letter 1970 on Palestine Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 1 2024 18:18 utc | 149 I was at a protest in Portland yesterday and a large junk of it was focused on not giving the vote to either party to go totally independent. These 20 something’s seem to get that voting for the same thing is going to mean the slaughter of many many more. They debunked the D trump BS and the Bs coming from the right they talked a lot about capitalism as well as colonialism. It was really good to hear this. Posted by: Susan | Jan 1 2024 18:50 utc | 150 https://t.me/rnintel/6509 Posted by: Hankster | Jan 1 2024 19:10 utc | 151 Native Americans also Genocided Themselves “That depends on whether your morality thinks that helping USUKIS genocide the Muslim populations of Yugoslavia , Africa, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria and Yemen.” Posted by: robinthehood | Jan 1 2024 19:42 utc | 153 Don Firineach 143 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 19:51 utc | 154 robinthehood 153 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 20:17 utc | 155 AnyHu, thanks for bringing up Muslims getting terrorized and killed in their native lands by some evil empire. Good reminder for all Muslims about friends and “partners”. Posted by: robinthehood | Jan 1 2024 20:17 utc | 156 Giyane 154 Posted by: Jane | Jan 1 2024 20:20 utc | 157 The best course for us armchair warriors is the economic boycott. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 1 2024 20:31 utc | 159 Inshallah Russia or China will arm the Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 20:32 utc | 160 Why isn’t Congress—or at least someone in Congress—screeching about this? Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 1 2024 20:35 utc | 161 bevin | Jan 1 2024 15:51 utc | 137 Posted by: Cynic | Jan 1 2024 20:36 utc | 162 Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 20:32 utc | 160 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 1 2024 20:37 utc | 163 Sorry bevin, poor wording by me — didn’t mean the “you” as in you personally. Posted by: Cynic | Jan 1 2024 20:38 utc | 164 Jane Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2024 20:42 utc | 165 It’s time to rise and shine Posted by: ld | Jan 1 2024 20:45 utc | 166 @ Giyane | Jan 1 2024 19:51 utc | 154 Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 1 2024 20:54 utc | 167 imagine if this was your child Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 1 2024 20:54 utc | 168 Megatron Posted by: Menz | Jan 1 2024 21:02 utc | 169 @ Giyane Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 1 2024 21:05 utc | 170 Hey Canuck Posted by: Susan | Jan 1 2024 21:26 utc | 171 In 1521 the Aztecs sacrificed 80,000 captives from other tribes in one day Posted by: pq | Jan 1 2024 21:29 utc | 172 the UK does send one of its two US-aircraft carriers to war with the Houthis, perhaps it’s a cunning plan by the UK regime to conveniently get rid of a leaking, badly assembled white elephant? I would like to know why many Countries have not broken off Diplomatic relations with the gangster state of Israel? also an Arab Army should have entered Gaza by now through Egypt to take those Zionist thugs on. Posted by: Englishman | Jan 1 2024 21:52 utc | 174 I would like to know why many Countries have not broken off Diplomatic relations with the gangster state of Israel? also an Arab Army should have entered Gaza by now through Egypt to take those Zionist thugs on. Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 1 2024 22:11 utc | 175 In 1521 the Aztecs sacrificed 80,000 captives from other tribes in one day Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 22:12 utc | 176 In 1521 the Aztecs sacrificed 80,000 captives from other tribes in one day Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 22:12 utc | 177 I would like to know why many Countries have not broken off Diplomatic relations with the gangster state of Israel? also an Arab Army should have entered Gaza by now through Egypt to take those Zionist thugs on. Posted by: Jane | Jan 1 2024 22:28 utc | 178 Yes, white people genocided indigenous peoples but the Indigenous tribes also genocided fellow tribes. In 1521 the Aztecs sacrificed 80,000 captives from other tribes in one day: Posted by: Naive | Jan 1 2024 22:32 utc | 179 Posted by: sarz | Jan 1 2024 17:13 utc | 145 Posted by: Hankster | Jan 1 2024 22:49 utc | 180 If you research this , it’s a very significant parcel of land … Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 1 2024 22:58 utc | 181 A question: Where is the Islamic International Brigade? Posted by: Pq | Jan 1 2024 23:12 utc | 182 USA sells lots lots shells to IDF.. surely we had thought the cupboard was bare for such armaments….for Ukraine… is Z fuming he aint top of the list….or maybe he cannot pay but was expecting a gift.. ? Posted by: Jo | Jan 1 2024 23:33 utc | 183 Mehdi Mabrouk, writing in alaraby aljadid, has been circling around this question: Since the proponents of civilized, enlightenment values have show themselves to be little more than bloodthirsty sadists at best, should we in the rest of the world and the arab world in particular, conclude that those values are a sham, and always were, only now the mask has fallen for all to see, so that we should revert to some other foundational principles, or should we just see this as a huge case of hypocricy and leave our thought-world unchanged? Posted by: Badger | Jan 1 2024 23:38 utc | 184 I did read today that Russians shot down IDF missiles in Syria… that is a bit of a change……I really did read that somewhere….. Posted by: Jo | Jan 2 2024 0:04 utc | 186 One expects good Muslims to do their duty … Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 2 2024 0:16 utc | 187 Since the proponents of civilized, enlightenment values have show themselves to be little more than bloodthirsty sadists at best, should we in the rest of the world and the arab world in particular, conclude that those values are a sham, and always were, only now the mask has fallen for all to see, so that we should revert to some other foundational principles, or should we just see this as a huge case of hypocricy and leave our thought-world unchanged? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 2 2024 0:26 utc | 188 Hankster | Jan 1 2024 22:49 utc | 180 …. Posted by: Cynic | Jan 2 2024 0:27 utc | 189 I don’t understand why Arab nations don’t challenge the genocidal thug. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 2 2024 0:28 utc | 190 Why won’t any country that could kill the rat that keeps shitting in the world’s flour do so? Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 2 2024 0:46 utc | 191 Hassan Mafi Posted by: Menz | Jan 2 2024 0:46 utc | 192 Menz! God love the Irish!! Best of the day – thanks! Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 2 2024 0:50 utc | 193 @And what exactly does Allah (SWT) command Muslims to do? Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 2 2024 0:53 utc | 194 @ Badger #184. On the failure to realiza enlightenment values in the imperial west
Posted by: suzan | Jan 2 2024 0:57 utc | 195 And I want to say a special thanks as well to jane and Susan and mark and whoever else in here is taking it to the streets in protests/demonstrations on behalf of the Palestinians. I am physically unable to join you but y’all are my heroes for sure. Thank You so much! I will continue to contribute funds where it can help and I am proud of having my Save Gaza Free Palestine flag displays on my doors that face a school. Easily hundreds of kids and parents see them everyday, but I wish I could be more in the fight. Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 2 2024 0:59 utc | 196 If you want to understand, as difficult as it will be, try not to think like a Westerner. Posted by: Jane | Jan 2 2024 1:24 utc | 197 @196 Posted by: Jane | Jan 2 2024 1:26 utc | 198 Suzan 195 Posted by: Jane | Jan 2 2024 1:31 utc | 199 “..Since the proponents of civilized, enlightenment values have show themselves to be little more than bloodthirsty sadists at best, ..” Badger@184 Posted by: bevin | Jan 2 2024 1:35 utc | 200 |
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