Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine.
The current open thread for other issues is here.
Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
|
|
|
|
Back to Main
|
||
|
December 30, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-322
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
Comments
Ex Israeli Premier demands the US strike Iran directly Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Dec 30 2023 16:10 utc | 1 I don’t know if it is a consolation to anyone but the US did have a successful military campaign in Grenada in 1983. Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 30 2023 16:11 utc | 2 Re: Yamashita Standard and Command Responsibility
This is a significant accusation because the standard of responsibility required by military and civilian leaders is strict. The exact language of the Geneva Convention section relating to command responsibility is:
Therefore, in the execution of military operations, Article 86(2) obligates a commanding officer to “prevent, and, where necessary, to suppress and report to competent authorities” any violation of the Geneva Conventions ( from wiki ). Posted by: Exile | Dec 30 2023 16:11 utc | 3 Posted by: Exile | Dec 30 2023 16:11 utc | 4 Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 30 2023 16:14 utc | 4 Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 30 2023 16:11 utc | 3 Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 30 2023 16:20 utc | 5 RE: Posted by: g | Dec 30 2023 16:08 utc | 1 Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 30 2023 16:22 utc | 6 A twitter with a Guardian article-link of what to expect in Gaza from Prof.Devi Sridhar, Edingburgh Univesity Posted by: Poul | Dec 30 2023 16:25 utc | 7 @ “I don’t know if it is a consolation to anyone but the US did have a successful military campaign in Grenada in 1983. Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 30 2023 16:25 utc | 8 I give you Barfs the Archetype of Alchemical Reversal of Five! 🌟 Posted by: FuturePeaceGonzo | Dec 30 2023 16:28 utc | 9 The IDF reported to have found over 65 million digital files and half a million physical documents inside Gaza, which contained useful intelligence aiding in the battle against Hamas, and especially in locating the tunnels. In one case, a map was found in Beit Hanoun, in the home of a Hamas commander, and the legend to the map was found in the home of a different Hamas terrorist. The map led IDF forces to many tunnel shafts, which they then cleared and destroyed. Other such maps and intelligence materials led to the hiding spots of significant ammunition and explosives. Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 30 2023 16:29 utc | 10 Re: who started the 1948 War ? Posted by: Exile | Dec 30 2023 16:32 utc | 11 “The IDF reported to have found over 65 million digital files which contained useful intelligence aiding in the battle against Hamas, and the Hezbollah fired over 50 rockets in the North on Kiryat Shemona and the surrounding area. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2023 16:37 utc | 12 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2023 16:37 utc | 14 Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 30 2023 16:41 utc | 13 the conspicuous lack of genuine support for Hamas from Arab leaders Posted by: malenkov | Dec 30 2023 16:43 utc | 14 Posted by: g | Dec 30 2023 16:08 utc | 1 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 30 2023 16:44 utc | 15 Note to Self:
If even one of these journalists had been an anti-Putin Russian the entire West and it’s legion of NGO/NPO puppet instances would have been screaming blue murder and holding black candlelight vigils for months on end … Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2023 16:44 utc | 16 “Gaza had the potential to be a mini Arabian Singapore – now it’s just a bombed out over-glorified wasteland – and it’s all the fault of Hamas.” Posted by: Jonahan W | Dec 30 2023 16:45 utc | 17 Hamas raped and executed a 13 year old Jewish girl. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 30 2023 16:51 utc | 18 Meditation #1: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2023 16:52 utc | 19 Celebrating tunnel crap bullshit, interesting concept, really pathetic though…..thank God for Freud…..just need Bibi, grandson’s drawing in hand, mugging to a camera, “look, Hamas is days away from developing the Mother of All Tunnels.” Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 30 2023 16:54 utc | 20 The IDF raped and executed a 13 year old Jewish girl. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2023 17:03 utc | 21 1, does the bedwetting IDF actually think anyone but it’s own partisans believe the lies they produce? The problem with using your state to cover industrial scale lying is that while it works for awhile, eventually noone believes anything you have to say. Israel has more than any nation in the modern era covered its hideous crimes with a wall of fabrication and deceit. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 30 2023 17:07 utc | 22 g.@1608 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 30 2023 17:10 utc | 23 Anyone know is Bibi‘s son is still living the high life in Miami or has he finally joined his IDF reserve unit on the front line ? Posted by: Exile | Dec 30 2023 17:13 utc | 24 Gaza the potential to be a mini Arabian Singapore – now it’s just a bombed out over-glorified wasteland – and it’s all the fault of IDF Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2023 17:13 utc | 25 g @1642 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 30 2023 17:18 utc | 26 To the Man defending JIF (jews in Palistine) Posted by: Boindub | Dec 30 2023 17:25 utc | 27 Posted by: Boindub | Dec 30 2023 17:25 utc | 30 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2023 17:28 utc | 28 Zionist barbarity in Gaza knows no bounds and in fact already exceeds the worst practices and atrocities of the Nazi genocide. Posted by: anon | Dec 30 2023 17:28 utc | 29 Gaza the potential to be a mini Arabian Singapore – now it’s just a bombed out over-glorified wasteland – and it’s all the fault of IDF Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2023 17:30 utc | 30 Being Asian, and not a bunch of Jewish crackerheads from Ukrainistan and other honkey backwaters, they immediately realized that cooperation with their Islamic neighbours was the only way forward. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 30 2023 17:36 utc | 31 Doctor admits Israeli pathologists harvested organs without consent Posted by: Exile | Dec 30 2023 17:37 utc | 32 A very good article: Posted by: JB | Dec 30 2023 17:43 utc | 33 The New York Times has published another extensive “investigation” into alleged war crimes – this time on the presumed mass gang-rape spree on Oct 7. As with previous accounts of this allegation, there is no forensic evidence to back up the claims: Posted by: jayc | Dec 30 2023 17:51 utc | 34 Decades on, Israel tries to bury its darkest times Posted by: Exile | Dec 30 2023 18:10 utc | 35 I don’t know if it is a consolation to anyone but the US did have a successful military campaign in Grenada in 1983. Posted by: Honzo | Dec 30 2023 18:11 utc | 36 @37 Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Dec 30 2023 18:12 utc | 37 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 30 2023 17:07 utc | 25 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 30 2023 18:13 utc | 38 The war ends in one day if Hamas returns all hostages and lays down their arms. If Israel lays down their arms Israel would be destroyed. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 30 2023 18:24 utc | 39 If any of the Hasbara posters here genuinely cared about and loved Israel, they would be agitating for recognition of a Palestinian state and a complete end to the violence. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 30 2023 18:28 utc | 40 42 Posted by: Joseph B | Dec 30 2023 18:29 utc | 41 Slightly OT, but relevant: Posted by: Honzo | Dec 30 2023 18:30 utc | 42 The best way to create a secure and lasting peace for the Jewish remains for the Likud to finally accept UNR 181 and UNR 194. Posted by: Exile | Dec 30 2023 18:31 utc | 43 Jewed-up BBC’s Stephen Sackur has begun Hard Talk’s 2023 roundup with a redux of Oinkrael’s piggish genocide in Palestine. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 30 2023 19:14 utc | 44 Honzo @2023 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 30 2023 19:21 utc | 45 Looks like Jewish Internet Defense Force or JIDF (search it on the internet, that’s a real organization, I am not being flippant) marked Moon Of Alabama for it’s daily list of operations. Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Dec 30 2023 19:25 utc | 46 @ Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2023 16:44 utc | 19 Posted by: james | Dec 30 2023 19:30 utc | 47 Re: the propaganda posted by g. Posted by: hispanidad | Dec 30 2023 19:31 utc | 48 My tendency is that the US will use as much ‘war by other means’ as possible, focused on the Western Hemisphere, where it is easiest for the US to project power and where Russian-made missile defense systems are in short supply, so that if the color revolution fails, they can back it up with bombing, and even boots on the ground. Most likely target from a military/economic standpoint would be Mexico, but the problem of millions and millions of Americans of Mexican descent is a strong argument against this. Trial balloons are already floating, though. Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 30 2023 19:41 utc | 49 @ g | Dec 30 2023 16:24 utc | 8 Posted by: CrazyTrain | Dec 30 2023 19:48 utc | 50 @ g | Dec 30 2023 16:42 utc | 16
Classic Netanhayu and bloodthirsty Likudnik talking point. You aren’t paid well are you? Posted by: CrazyTrain | Dec 30 2023 19:55 utc | 51 A poster from the previous thread linked to this Max Blumenthal video essay, which I think is worth viewing if you haven’t already. Posted by: CrazyTrain | Dec 30 2023 20:01 utc | 52 @ genocidal | Dec 30 2023 18:14 utc | 42
Implicit in this position is a profound racism. It’s the assumption that only the Israeli state and its functionaries (including the army) operate on good faith values, and anyone that is not Western or not part of your world consciousness is somehow less than human and only seeks your destruction, are a people that cannot operate on good faith. Its racist and colonial. Posted by: CrazyTrain | Dec 30 2023 20:16 utc | 53 Honzo @2023 “My tendency is that the US will use as much ‘war by other means’ as possible, focused on the Western Hemisphere, where it is easiest for the US to project power and where Russian-made missile defense systems are in short supply, so that if the color revolution fails, they can back it up with bombing, and even boots on the ground. Most likely target from a military/economic standpoint would be Mexico, but the problem of millions and millions of Americans of Mexican descent is a strong argument against this. Trial balloons are already floating, though. ….. it is something that is all around and communicated on several simultaneous levels. I know, I lived there long enough…. Posted by: Exile | Dec 30 2023 20:42 utc | 56 The war ends in one day if Hamas returns all hostages and lays down their arms. If Israel lays down their arms Israel would be destroyed. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 30 2023 20:46 utc | 57 “Being Asian, and not a bunch of Jewish crackerheads from Ukrainistan and other honkey backwaters, they immediately realized that cooperation with their Islamic neighbours was the only way forward.” Posted by: Jane | Dec 30 2023 20:47 utc | 58 But 56 Palestinians journalists? Some murdered effectively live on t.v? Posted by: pq | Dec 30 2023 20:56 utc | 59 What will the next dedicated open thread on MoA be about? Posted by: pq | Dec 30 2023 21:02 utc | 60 Honzo @ 46 — The Red Sea ‘war.’ Big surprise as to its scope and effects. Posted by: Pundita | Dec 30 2023 21:17 utc | 61 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 30 2023 19:21 utc | 49 Posted by: Honzo | Dec 30 2023 21:29 utc | 62 Posted by: pq | Dec 30 2023 21:02 utc | 64 Posted by: Honzo | Dec 30 2023 21:38 utc | 63 Honzo @ 46 — The Red Sea ‘war.’ Big surprise as to its scope and effects. Posted by: Honzo | Dec 30 2023 21:40 utc | 64 Jane @ 62.
Unfortunately it seems like the Ottomans’ eventually prevailing in Palestine opened the door for the Zionist project. The Wiki entry on Proto-zionism describes this. It is worth reading in its entirety as it basically demolishes the idea that Theodore Herzl was the founder of Zionism. Which leads me to wonder why this is repeated so often? Maybe to erase the actual roots of the Zionist idea?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Zionism Posted by: Jane | Dec 30 2023 21:40 utc | 65 Posted by: Jane | Dec 30 2023 20:47 utc | 62 Posted by: Honzo | Dec 30 2023 21:45 utc | 66 @ pq | Dec 30 2023 20:56 utc | 63 Posted by: james | Dec 30 2023 21:47 utc | 67 According to this, no one in the world other than Jews and/or the State of Israel is to be trusted to look out for and/or respect the rights of Jews in any state. It’s the epitome of ethno-religious mania and hatred. It’s implicit in Israeli education and permeates common society. . . . Posted by: Jane | Dec 30 2023 21:48 utc | 68 @Jane | Dec 30 2023 21:40 utc | 69
Because “white men bad” is the self-comforting creed of so many woke useful idiots. You cannot fight the so called “empire”, if you embrace its most prominent ideology. Posted by: SG | Dec 30 2023 22:03 utc | 69 Great post CrazyTrain @57. Agree wholeheartedly. Posted by: Panza | Dec 30 2023 22:03 utc | 70 Guyana is NOT British controlled (except of course in the sense that everything in the world is controlled by the City of London, operating a secret plan left to it by Cecil Rhodes who was an agent of the Rothschild family etc etc…) Posted by: bevin | Dec 30 2023 22:05 utc | 71 Yes yes Israel is winning . Winning so much Eliat port is empty not one ship. Posted by: Hankster | Dec 30 2023 22:20 utc | 72 Thousands of Italian and German women were raped by allied soldiers from 1944 to 1945 but outside of Fascist propaganda, people do not conclude from that fact that historical justice was on the side of the Axis powers.
I think it is worth noting because rape of German women by Soviet soldiers is assumed to reflect only the innate bestiality of Soviet soldiers. Obviously it is quite possible that Soviet soldiers—or some portion of them—were taking revenge on German women for what had been done to Russian women. It is also quite possible, as noted in the last sentence cited, that military commanders consciously incited their men to degrade the enemy’s women as a weapon. Posted by: Jane | Dec 30 2023 22:23 utc | 73 the conspicuous lack of genuine support for Hamas from Arab leaders. . . most of them bought and paid for by the USA. Posted by: pq | Dec 30 2023 22:25 utc | 74 Because “white men bad” is the self-comforting creed of so many woke useful idiots. You cannot fight the so called “empire”, if you embrace its most prominent ideology. Posted by: Jane | Dec 30 2023 22:27 utc | 75 I am no expert in the history of Singapore, but I urge you to read this: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2023 22:35 utc | 76 Zionist forces in Gaza are routinely shooting civilians at random, in a manner reminiscent of ghettos in Eastern Europe in 1941, for no apparent reason other than hate and killing for its own sake, and to spread terror among the population. Posted by: anon | Dec 30 2023 22:41 utc | 77 Jane @69 there is little serious doubt that Theodore Herzl founded the modern Zionist movement. Posted by: bevin | Dec 30 2023 22:42 utc | 78 Arch Bungle 80 Posted by: Jane | Dec 30 2023 22:42 utc | 79 Do you have any valid evidence to support your claims. Historically IDF would not do the things you mention. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2023 22:47 utc | 80 What will the next dedicated open thread on MoA be about? Posted by: malenkov | Dec 30 2023 22:48 utc | 81 What will the next dedicated open thread on MoA be about? Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Dec 30 2023 22:51 utc | 82 It astonishes me that people expect “vassals” to defy two psychotic nuclear armed powers? Posted by: malenkov | Dec 30 2023 22:53 utc | 83 “A new level of barbarism” Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 30 2023 22:56 utc | 84 And before new years eve explodes – about South Africa filing the genocide charge: If it’s true as somebody posted and the UNSC has the ultimate ‘guilty or not’ binding decision, I don’t get why anybody thinks it’s a big deal that it got filed. I mean, did jew-controlled amurdica absurdica get kicked out of the UN while i wasn’t looking?? Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Dec 30 2023 22:59 utc | 85 james 51 Posted by: anon | Dec 30 2023 23:02 utc | 86 Bevin @2205 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 30 2023 23:02 utc | 87 @Jane | Dec 30 2023 22:27 utc | 79
Of course. They’d do everything to deflect criticism. To them it is convenient: «it is not the toxic talmudic creed that created Zionism, it is European “racism”».
Even the old one. Singapore was founded by the British and the British brought there the Chinese and Indian population, because they needed a workforce (“coolies”) in their new colony. Singapore was then briefly incorporated into Malaysia because the British and the Singaporean elite feared a Communist takeover: after all muslims are the most impervious folk to socialism (among other things). However since Chinese and Malay were beating and stabbing each others daily, Singapore was made independent in a couple of years. Posted by: SG | Dec 30 2023 23:04 utc | 88 @ anon | Dec 30 2023 23:02 utc | 90 Posted by: james | Dec 30 2023 23:07 utc | 89 It seems like the modern commercial entity Singapore was basically a creation and outpost of the British Empire. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2023 23:09 utc | 90 However since Chinese and Malay were beating and stabbing each others daily, Singapore was made independent in a couple of years. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2023 23:16 utc | 91 Something got hit in the Red Sea again. Per @LordOfWar telegram. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 30 2023 23:19 utc | 92 Posted by: CrazyTrain | Dec 30 2023 20:01 utc | 56 Posted by: Menz | Dec 30 2023 23:19 utc | 93 Manooch Kargar منوچ کارگر Posted by: Menz | Dec 30 2023 23:20 utc | 94 Assal Rad Posted by: Menz | Dec 30 2023 23:22 utc | 95 13 mins Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 30 2023 23:24 utc | 96 But don’t worry – they will soon get up into treble figures. Genocide Joe and Blinken have just announced they are sending another $150 million worth of bombs and shells to the Zionist forces, because as Zionist leaders helpfully explain, not enough children have been killed in Gaza yet, and they need to kill all of them. Posted by: Ed | Dec 30 2023 23:28 utc | 97 Jane @69 there is little serious doubt that Theodore Herzl founded the modern Zionist movement. —Bevin. Posted by: Jane | Dec 30 2023 23:42 utc | 98 109 humanitarian aid trucks were inspected at Nitzana and transferred to Gaza via the Rafah crossing today. Posted by: Ed | Dec 30 2023 23:43 utc | 99 Arch 94. Posted by: Jane | Dec 30 2023 23:51 utc | 100 |
||