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December 26, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-319
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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@ fake james | Dec 27 2023 5:17 utc | 97 Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 27 2023 5:35 utc | 101 Hamas will never be destroyed. Just as the groups fighting under the PLO umbrella morphed into Hamas, including the Christian ones, those fighting for Hamas will morph into the next generation of resistance groups, and recruit amongst those survivors of Gaza seeking to avenge this atrocity. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 27 2023 6:18 utc | 102
So now we are to interpret child-slaughter, ethnic-cleansing, and genocide as Israeli Philanthropy on behalf of all humanity. Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 27 2023 6:43 utc | 103 Dreyfus affair Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 6:50 utc | 104 Posted by: Lurker | Dec 27 2023 5:32 utc | 100 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 6:54 utc | 105 Re: Dreyfus etc. Posted by: Exile | Dec 27 2023 7:14 utc | 106 Few on this site appreciate what Israel is doing for the world. But it is good to finally hear a voice of reason. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 7:20 utc | 107 On December 24, 2023, a Telegram channel affiliated with Yemen’s Iran-backed Ansar Allah Movement (the Houthis) shared a map of networks of submarine communications cables in the Mediterranean Sea, the Red Sea, the Arabian Sea, and the Persian Gulf. The map was accompanied by an implied threat: “There are maps of international cables connecting all regions of the world through the sea. It seems that Yemen is in a strategic location, as internet lines that connect entire continents – not only countries – pass near it.” Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 27 2023 7:23 utc | 108 I was skimming through the Palestine Chronicle live blog, when I came across this:
Shades of the Zionist hero in his Berlin bunker, c.1945? Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 27 2023 8:13 utc | 109 @Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 4:32 utc | 90 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 27 2023 8:52 utc | 110 To fake James and the other trolls: we will appreciate it better when Azrael starts bombing its former allies on a much larger scale than it does now. Posted by: Minaa | Dec 27 2023 8:54 utc | 111 ‘Level of horror in Gaza is unmatched in our lifetime’: UN Posted by: Exile | Dec 27 2023 9:11 utc | 112 Minna @ 112 Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 27 2023 9:19 utc | 113 And why would they need to do that if they own all partys ? Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 27 2023 9:27 utc | 114 Israel strip the UN of visa privileges after accusing UN of propaganda for hamas. What other nation could do that to the UN and not get invaded for it. Posted by: Hankster | Dec 27 2023 9:31 utc | 115 We need to take a long look at palistine right now including Gaza, becouse that is what the US and UK will look like in the coming years under zionism. Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 27 2023 9:33 utc | 116 Mike is being facetious: Posted by: Menz | Dec 27 2023 9:35 utc | 117 Lebanese TV reports: Posted by: Exile | Dec 27 2023 10:14 utc | 118 Lebanese TV reports: Posted by: Exile | Dec 27 2023 10:19 utc | 119 In reply to the person who suggested UN moving all Hamas out of Gaza. Posted by: Boindub | Dec 27 2023 10:59 utc | 120 Anyone read about the Reaper being shot down over Yemen? Posted by: steve 2 | Dec 27 2023 11:08 utc | 121 ‘Once Hamas is destroyed, Gaza is demilitarized, and Palestinian society begins a deradicalization process, Gaza can be rebuilt and the prospects of a broader peace in the Middle East will become a reality.’ Posted by: Black_James | Dec 27 2023 11:12 utc | 122 Cuban-born American Alfred de Zayas is an opinion maker who has successfully resisted pressure on freedom of expression. He has a doctorate in law from Harvard and in history from the University of Göttingen (Germany). He teaches law at the Geneva School of Diplomacy and was an independent UN expert on international order from 2012 to 2018. Posted by: Paul-Robert | Dec 27 2023 11:22 utc | 123 “Perhaps the Inquisition was right to force them to convert to Christianitiy, “or else” …” What a primitive, savage religion. We must get these people out of any seats of power. Perhaps the Inquisition was right to force them to convert to Christianitiy, “or else” Posted by: malenkov | Dec 27 2023 12:07 utc | 125 re malenkov | Dec 27 2023 12:07 utc | 124 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 27 2023 12:09 utc | 126 The link provided above leads to the forst De Zayas article. Todays article can be found here: Posted by: Paul-Robert | Dec 27 2023 12:10 utc | 127 As the days go by, the mass murder continues unabated and the Zionist crimes, as they are uncovered are becoming more and more depraved, as are the things spoken by Israeli politicians and other prominents on Israeli media. Posted by: JB | Dec 27 2023 12:20 utc | 128 121 Steve 2 . That was a month ago. There’s multiple videos and articles , but no one’s talking about anything more recent than that event Posted by: Hankster | Dec 27 2023 12:30 utc | 129 Posted by: Blissex | Dec 26 2023 18:57 utc | 46 Posted by: Blissex | Dec 27 2023 12:43 utc | 130 Posted by: JB | Dec 27 2023 12:20 utc | 127 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Dec 27 2023 12:44 utc | 131 106 Arch Bungle Posted by: Giyane | Dec 27 2023 12:53 utc | 132 re Maldonado: Par for the course, isn’t it, from the corp that gave us asbestos-laden baby powder and an ineffective (and frequently adulterated) COVID vaccine? Posted by: malenkov | Dec 27 2023 12:54 utc | 133 It’s difficult to express outrage over what is really happening in the Palestine atrocity, but Ron Unz does a very good job here, along with important points from the history: Posted by: botete | Dec 27 2023 12:57 utc | 134 The Zionist mass murders of xmas 2023 have sealed the fate of the illegal apartheid entity in the Levant. Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 27 2023 13:13 utc | 135
The belief in being ‘Chosen by God’ is an extension of feeling that who I am matters. Ultimately all demons boil down to putting self over other, an existential conundrum all humanity wrestles with from cradle to grave. Because each of us IS an individual, IS unique and so IS special, just like each child is a precious blessing. The notion of a Chosen People is applying that same individual specialness to a collective. Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 3:07 utc | 84 Posted by: Blissex | Dec 27 2023 13:16 utc | 137 Perhaps the Inquisition was right to force them to convert to Christianitiy, “or else” Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 13:21 utc | 138
And yet according to some modern Jewish historians this is bunkum. Indeed, at the time of Jesus, centuries later, the largest concentration of Jews in the world lived in Cairo which was still the hub of East-West trade, far more than lived in Judea. (The proposed Gaza Canal will cut Cairo off from that trade for the first time in human history by diverting it through Israel. The Jews and Chinese go back millennia and quite possibly a deal is in place to continue that relationship.) To me, the sinking of the Novocherkassk in Feodosia sounds extremely odd. As usual there is not much reliable info but much poking around in the dark. Simplicius 76 brings in the possibility that it was a sabotage act rather than a missile strike „because not a single piece of footage had the sounds or sights of any missile activity“. I did not cover all reports and footage, but he has a point. The whole story just sounds extremely odd, given the fact that Russia routinely shoots down various types of missiles and drones going to Crimea. So – was a new or modified type used which circumvented their defences? Were the Russians blinded? Or was it a complete balls-up from their side? Posted by: Seneschal | Dec 27 2023 13:35 utc | 140 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 4:23 utc | 88 Posted by: Blissex | Dec 27 2023 13:40 utc | 141
Ka Ching! Bethlehem should never be bombed. Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Dec 27 2023 13:57 utc | 143 The NYT revealed that the Izzies had Hamas’ Oct 7th plans months in advance. Posted by: librul | Dec 27 2023 14:06 utc | 144
A neat little throwaway remark.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 14:46 utc | 146 “Perhaps the Inquisition was right to force them to convert to Christianitiy, “or else” …” Posted by: Joey | Dec 27 2023 14:57 utc | 147 @Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 14:46 utc | 149 Posted by: librul | Dec 27 2023 15:20 utc | 148 Posted by: daffyDuct | Dec 27 2023 1:56 utc | 82 Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 15:22 utc | 149 Canuck 127 Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 15:27 utc | 150 Zionists need healing, serious healing, yet Zionists and pro-Zionists constantly feed their own PTSD. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 15:37 utc | 151 “You are a fan of the Spanish Inquisition ?” Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 15:43 utc | 152 Posted by: Blissex | Dec 27 2023 13:40 utc | 144 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 15:45 utc | 153 The displacement of Jewish communities in Arab countries occurred over a span of several decades, with significant waves of emigration in the late 1940s through the 1950s. Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 15:46 utc | 154 Posted by: Blissex | Dec 27 2023 12:43 utc | 133 Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 15:52 utc | 155 “You are a fan of the Spanish Inquisition ?” Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 15:59 utc | 156 With this genocide costing Israel so much money, piling up so much debt, maybe soon the Rothschilds will pull out of the project? Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Dec 27 2023 16:10 utc | 157 What a primitive, savage religion. We must get these people out of any seats of power. Perhaps the Inquisition was right to force them to convert to Christianitiy, “or else” The story line in the Bible is that under the leadership of Moses, about 600,000 people fled Egypt. Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 27 2023 16:22 utc | 159 With this genocide costing Israel so much money, piling up so much debt, maybe soon the Rothschilds will pull out of the project? Judaism was once a religion. A religion that spread like wildfire among women. Flavius Josephus says that Judaism was present “in all the nations of the world” that is to say the sum of the Persian world, the Greek world and the Roman world, which was the whole world at that time seen from the Mediterranean. The legend of the “exile” is a Christian legend assumed by the traditionalist rabbis. Posted by: Simon | Dec 27 2023 16:29 utc | 161 From that religion which spread like wildfire among women, emerged the Christians who were (ca. 40-300) a group of dissidents of the Empire whose first value was Peace. Posted by: Simon | Dec 27 2023 16:37 utc | 162 From that religion which spread like wildfire among women, emerged the Christians who were (ca. 40-300) a group of dissidents of the Empire whose first value was Peace. Posted by: Simon | Dec 27 2023 16:37 utc | 163 Is it zionism that proclaims jews are “God’s chosen people”? Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Dec 27 2023 16:39 utc | 164 Is it zionism that proclaims jews are “God’s chosen people”? All the dots of the shapeshifters current shape detailed in 10 minutes- it takes an artiste to do that. Taken me years and I had most of the dots especially that total turd Murdoch and his stable. Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 27 2023 16:58 utc | 166 Whoops. Link. Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 27 2023 17:00 utc | 167 The question is “chosen” for what. Posted by: Simon | Dec 27 2023 17:00 utc | 168 “The chosen people” is basic Judaism. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 17:02 utc | 169 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 14:46 utc | 149 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 27 2023 17:09 utc | 170 Egyptian journalist Mohammed Al-Alawi was found dead after his investigation into the purchase of a luxury villa in El Gouna by Zelensky’s mother-in-law. Posted by: Melkiades | Dec 27 2023 17:12 utc | 171 Arch @ Dec 26 2023 18:31 utc | 45 Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Dec 27 2023 17:13 utc | 172 I’m terribly sorry, I posted the news about the murdered Egyptian journalist in the wrong open thread. I can’t delete it. Maybe b. can move it to the Ukraine thread when he’ll be back, although I’m sure he’ll find better use of his time. Posted by: Melkiades | Dec 27 2023 17:16 utc | 173 That soldier manifested individual PTSD, Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 17:17 utc | 174 It’s another thing to be in non-stop life-and-death scenarios. That’s when the mettle of a man is determined. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 17:19 utc | 175 It’s another thing to be in non-stop life-and-death scenarios. That’s when the mettle of a man is determined. @ DuchessandBob
I do not have the expertise to soundly evaluate the book. Posted by: suzan | Dec 27 2023 17:34 utc | 177 Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 27 2023 5:35 utc | 104 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 17:37 utc | 178 I highly recommend the documentary “The Man Who Knew Too Much | Documentary on Propaganda and Disinformation War” which I have just finished viewing.: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 17:45 utc | 179 It seems Hezbollah also agrees that “settlers” are not “civilians”:
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 17:57 utc | 180 “Is it zionism that proclaims jews are “God’s chosen people”? Posted by: MAKK | Dec 27 2023 18:04 utc | 181 Arch Bungle 103 Posted by: anon | Dec 27 2023 18:08 utc | 182 In these past days following the U.S. neutering of the UNSC ceasefire resolution, Israel has both intensified its air bombing campaign in Gaza and admitted its ground combat mission has failed to make much headway at all in achieving its announced war aims. Israeli officials therefore insist that the overall “war” – I.e. relentless bombing of trapped and defenceless civilians – will continue into a future measured by “months” at least. That will not occur. Posted by: jayc | Dec 27 2023 18:21 utc | 183 “Get a grip…” Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 27 2023 18:28 utc | 184 “For the most part, force only changes things outward but leaves genetic inclinations unaltered.” Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 27 2023 18:35 utc | 185 Menz | Dec 27 2023 4:41 utc | 94 Posted by: Cynic | Dec 27 2023 18:42 utc | 186 Re Amalek, Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Dec 27 2023 18:42 utc | 187 Re Amalek, Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Dec 27 2023 18:47 utc | 188 I’m beginning to think the Zionists have used the same brainwashing chemicals on their own people as the used on Daesh and Azov to make them irrational and spiteful. Posted by: Giyane | Dec 27 2023 18:54 utc | 189 @162, Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 19:01 utc | 190 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 17:57 utc | 183 Posted by: JB | Dec 27 2023 19:04 utc | 191 In my humble opinion, they are using the current Zionist atrocities as ‘bait’ to lead the world into WW3 and a reset of their own making. Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 19:07 utc | 192 There were hundreds of telephone threats and bomb hoaxes to synagogues and Jewish community centres in the US. These were all made by one Jew in Israel. Posted by: librul | Dec 27 2023 19:14 utc | 193 I wonder if there are tunnels that extend substantially outside Gaza into occupied Palestine that Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 19:21 utc | 194 ……. 13:49 Israeli army radio: Casualties as Israeli paratrooper who took part in Gaza battles suffered panic attack and opened fire at colleagues in Ashkelon….. Posted by: Exile | Dec 27 2023 19:26 utc | 195 Oh yes. Let’s replace one primitive and savage with another primitive and savage religion, using characteristically primitive and savage methods to do so. Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 19:37 utc | 196 Al-Qassem SITREP updated: Posted by: Exile | Dec 27 2023 19:42 utc | 197 Netanyahu knows that he conspired with Muslim Brotherhood to create a pretext for genocide. This has brought the fury of the entire world onto his miserable head. The insults to Hamas sound like desperate copium from man who has escaped prison but has thousands of nooses by every civiised institution in the world round his neck. Posted by: Giyane | Dec 27 2023 20:03 utc | 198 suzan | Dec 27 2023 17:34 utc | 180 …. Posted by: Cynic | Dec 27 2023 20:05 utc | 199 Posted by: Cynic | Dec 27 2023 20:05 utc | 202 Posted by: sal | Dec 27 2023 20:12 utc | 200 |
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