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December 26, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-319

Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

Comments

@ fake james | Dec 27 2023 5:17 utc | 97
who doesn’t seem old enough nor intelligent enough to understand that the only thing we have to offer each other of substance is the example of how we live our lives.
I encourage you to reflect on the example of your life in relation to humanity and work to gain credibility by the merit of your life’s actions. The energy you are putting in to being fake james does not show mental health and you keep digging the hole deeper for all to see…sad
Have a nice life!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 27 2023 5:35 utc | 101

Hamas will never be destroyed. Just as the groups fighting under the PLO umbrella morphed into Hamas, including the Christian ones, those fighting for Hamas will morph into the next generation of resistance groups, and recruit amongst those survivors of Gaza seeking to avenge this atrocity.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 27 2023 6:18 utc | 102

Few on this site appreciate what Israel is doing for the world. But it is good to finally hear a voice of reason.
Posted by: Lurker | Dec 27 2023 5:32 utc | 100

So now we are to interpret child-slaughter, ethnic-cleansing, and genocide as Israeli Philanthropy on behalf of all humanity.
Thank you for self-outing as vile and loathsome.

Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 27 2023 6:43 utc | 103

Dreyfus affair
Posted by: james | Dec 27 2023 5:37 utc | 102
How is it relevant, other than being yet another hasbara deflection, straw man, red herring (pick your logical or reasoning fallacy of choice)?

P.S: I would not be surprised if the entire history of the Drefuss affair has been rewritten by the Zionist Cabal that controls Brittanica and their ‘Encyclopaedia’.

Given what we know of the Zionist Jew’s capacity and talent for LYING it would behoove humankind to form a new committee to review the entire corpus of written history in the West to determine exactly what has been contorted, distorted and concealed from the ‘goyim’ by the zionist owners of the publishing houses, printing presses, media industry and ‘Educational Institutions’.
Wikipedia and it’s ZioCon-controlled pals need to take first place on the stands for a start.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 6:50 utc | 104

Posted by: Lurker | Dec 27 2023 5:32 utc | 100
Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 27 2023 6:43 utc | 104
This is a classic trick the name-stealers love to play:
When we say it is day,
They say it is night,
When we say it is up,
They call it “down”,
When we call it rape,
They call it “love”,
We call it “freedom”,
They call it “slavery”
We call them colonizers,
They say they’re “civilians”
Rinse.
Wash.
Repeat
Until all the weak-minded believe …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 6:54 utc | 105

Re: Dreyfus etc.
The Jewish American Historian Ron Unz delves into these and many similar topics on his website Unzreview.com
Please let‘s not get too off topic here.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 27 2023 7:14 utc | 106

Few on this site appreciate what Israel is doing for the world. But it is good to finally hear a voice of reason.
Posted by: Lurker | Dec 27 2023 5:32 utc | 100
You know what you sound like?

Few on this site appreciate what Adolf Hitler was doing for the world …

… that is what you sound like.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 7:20 utc | 107

On December 24, 2023, a Telegram channel affiliated with Yemen’s Iran-backed Ansar Allah Movement (the Houthis) shared a map of networks of submarine communications cables in the Mediterranean Sea, the Red Sea, the Arabian Sea, and the Persian Gulf. The map was accompanied by an implied threat: “There are maps of international cables connecting all regions of the world through the sea. It seems that Yemen is in a strategic location, as internet lines that connect entire continents – not only countries – pass near it.”

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 27 2023 7:23 utc | 108

I was skimming through the Palestine Chronicle live blog, when I came across this:

ISRAELI CHANNEL 12: Netanyahu has refused to meet representatives from security services on three different occasions to discuss the war on Gaza.

Shades of the Zionist hero in his Berlin bunker, c.1945?

Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 27 2023 8:13 utc | 109

@Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 4:32 utc | 90
I believe you are very close to the actual truth in this post. Thank you.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 27 2023 8:52 utc | 110

To fake James and the other trolls: we will appreciate it better when Azrael starts bombing its former allies on a much larger scale than it does now.

Posted by: Minaa | Dec 27 2023 8:54 utc | 111

‘Level of horror in Gaza is unmatched in our lifetime’: UN
27 December 2023
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/level-horror-gaza-unmatched-our-lifetime-un?nid=326631&topic=Israel-Palestine%2520war&fid=495346

Posted by: Exile | Dec 27 2023 9:11 utc | 112

Minna @ 112
I think your oh so right with that comment, and this will be happening this year ‘election year’ in america and UK israely backed bombs blamed on terrorists to increase the hard line far right votes, sad thing is in both countrys all partys are hard line far right now.
But as far as lurker @ 100 is conerned it will be for our own good.
Poor deluded fool.
Think …. twin towers, london bridge attacks manchester pop concert bomb all in the lead up and having an effect on votes.
Welcome to a preview of what 2024 holds for us under zionist control.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 27 2023 9:19 utc | 113

And why would they need to do that if they own all partys ?
To create a devide and rule blood bath amongest the goy in US and UK of course.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 27 2023 9:27 utc | 114

Israel strip the UN of visa privileges after accusing UN of propaganda for hamas. What other nation could do that to the UN and not get invaded for it.
https://www.globalvillagespace.com/israel-strips-un-staff-of-visa-privileges/#:~:text=The%20Israeli%20government%20said%20it,%2Dby%2Dcase%20basis.%E2%80%9D

Posted by: Hankster | Dec 27 2023 9:31 utc | 115

We need to take a long look at palistine right now including Gaza, becouse that is what the US and UK will look like in the coming years under zionism.
Were all palistinians in Gaza now.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 27 2023 9:33 utc | 116

Mike is being facetious:
Mike Carlton
@MikeCarlton01
Dear oh dear. This Alexie Sayle chap seems very anti-Semitic.
https://twitter.com/MikeCarlton01/status/1739918461529444692

Posted by: Menz | Dec 27 2023 9:35 utc | 117

Lebanese TV reports:
(Excerpt) ….Furthermore, al-Qassam Brigades reported another significant operation in Beit Hanoun. They successfully lured an Israeli special force into a house and obliterated it with three anti-personnel IEDs, stun grenades, and a Shawaz armor-piercing explosive. The entire force was killed in this operation.
Additionally, the Brigades detonated a boobytrapped tunnel in central Gaza, targeting an Israeli occupation force made up of eight soldiers near the al-Bureij refugee camp. This attack also inflicted casualties among the Israeli troops.….
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2009911

Posted by: Exile | Dec 27 2023 10:14 utc | 118

Lebanese TV reports:
Golani Brigade suffered 25% casualties on Southern Front
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2008712

Posted by: Exile | Dec 27 2023 10:19 utc | 119

In reply to the person who suggested UN moving all Hamas out of Gaza.
Your solution to the murdering of Palestinians by Israelis is based on the wrong premise and therefore totally wrong and you are simply repeating the Israeli government plan to take over Gaza and the Oil/Gas fields off the coast.
Israelis were illegally given a small piece of Palestine by the british for money from the jews. Since then they have grown like a cancer over Palestine supported by the usa weapons and money in order to give usa a base from which to bully and control the middle east. They have illegally stolen the land and murdered/humiliated /starved the existing native population. Like the usa and the Indian population
Therefore Palestinians have not only a right but THE DUTY to FIGHT AND RECOVER THEIR COMPLETE LANDS. Like in 1916 when the Irish lit the fuse by hopeless slaughter (in the short term) fighting the British Empire and defeating them in the long term. The very brave Hamas and others will succeed similarly.
Surprisingly your advice applies very well to Israel. “Leave with your family now while you can. Everything that you did will be done back to you ten times”. As the neighbouring countries rise in strength and the usa strength becomes less relevant Israel will be rolled back and back. Only the time base is unclear. It could extend to 50 years but likely 25 or much less when people will talk of the former Israel as an historical oddity.
Genocidal israel uses all modern usa heavy weapons against defenceless people, flying 2000 lb bombs fresh from usa factories to be dropped onto incubators . They are vile, truly sick, cowardly, incompetent , unfit to be called soldiers particularly the golanis with their underpants on their heads. One day they will face real soldiers with real weapons and they will run.
Now they deliberately sadistically gruesomely murder defenceless babies women and men. They lie non stop . 40 babies beheaded, women raped….
They are a disgrace to humanity and should be shunned by all decent States and peoples. Anyone not condemning them are equally guilty and have the blood on their hands of so many who suffered so unimaginably .

Posted by: Boindub | Dec 27 2023 10:59 utc | 120

Anyone read about the Reaper being shot down over Yemen?

Posted by: steve 2 | Dec 27 2023 11:08 utc | 121

‘Once Hamas is destroyed, Gaza is demilitarized, and Palestinian society begins a deradicalization process, Gaza can be rebuilt and the prospects of a broader peace in the Middle East will become a reality.’
Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 26 2023
‘Once Hamas is destroyed, Gaza is obliterated, and Palestinian society begins a surrender to oppression and a permanent apartheid process, Gaza can be rebuilt and the prospects of a full capitulation to Israeli hegemony in the Middle East will become a reality.’

Posted by: Black_James | Dec 27 2023 11:12 utc | 122

Cuban-born American Alfred de Zayas is an opinion maker who has successfully resisted pressure on freedom of expression. He has a doctorate in law from Harvard and in history from the University of Göttingen (Germany). He teaches law at the Geneva School of Diplomacy and was an independent UN expert on international order from 2012 to 2018.
De Zayas has written ten books, including the instructive Building a Just World Order (2021). The American online magazine CounterPunch is publishing a series of his razor-sharp op-eds on current international issues.
I now published a synopsis of a selection of De Zayas’ recent opinion pieces, with added comments from my hand. It deals with subjects such as collective Israeli punishment in Gaza being at odds with every legislation, European strategic autonomy being a pipe dream, the West being responsible for the Ukraine crisis, NATO being a criminal organization, and the ICC being irrelevant. The link is:
https://geopolitiekincontext.wordpress.com/2023/05/08/alfred-de-zayas-onaantastbaar-opiniemaker-over-internationale-aangelegenheden/
With the article written in Dutch, ‘Google translate’ tool in the top-right corner will produce a reasonable translation in any other language.

Posted by: Paul-Robert | Dec 27 2023 11:22 utc | 123

“Perhaps the Inquisition was right to force them to convert to Christianitiy, “or else” …”
Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 3:07 utc | 84
You are a fan of the Spanish Inquisition ? Perhaps, you are just emotionally overwrought so you lash out without proper intellectual restraint. Or, perhaps, you don’t really understand what the Spanish Inquisition did when ‘converting’ Jews to Christianity. Kindly please read below to educate yourself:
“In the catacombs of the Bancroft Library, in a chilled, climate-controlled vault, is a 1,300-page document that tells the horrors of Manuel de Lucena’s life and death as a clandestine Jew during the Spanish Inquisition. In black ink on old parchment, scribes some 400 years ago penned the details of his lengthy imprisonment and his coerced testimony, along with the interrogation and torture of other Jews implicated in the investigation.” (1)
And:
“Procedure of the Inquisition
Once the court was set up, a 30-day grace period was granted in which voluntary confessions of wrongdoing received light sentences, such as small fines. However, a confessor had to agree to spy on his friends and relatives, and if he did not produce evidence, he would be under suspicion as a heretic and could receive the death penalty. Naturally, this system encouraged great corruption, for people fabricated false evidence against others either out of fear, jealousy, and hatred, or to receive a reward. To make matters worse, any accused person was not permitted to know the identity of his accusers, or even the evidence, and thus had no way to refute the charges, which were always believed by the court. Defense counsel was allowed, but was virtually impossible to obtain, because defending heresy was also considered heretical, and punishable by death, thus discouraging any potential advocates.” (2)
Sounds alot like the USSR under Stain or the infamous East German Stasi:
“By the 1970s, the Stasi had decided that the methods of overt persecution that had been employed up to that time, such as arrest and torture, were too crude and obvious. Such forms of oppression were drawing significant international condemnation.”
After this edification, above, do you still remain a fan of the Spanish Inquisition?
1. https://news.berkeley.edu/2022/07/20/the-tortures-of-the-spanish-inquisition-hold-dark-lessons-for-our-time
2. https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2430792/jewish/The-Spanish-Inquisition.htm

Posted by: canuck | Dec 27 2023 11:35 utc | 124

What a primitive, savage religion. We must get these people out of any seats of power. Perhaps the Inquisition was right to force them to convert to Christianitiy, “or else”
Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 3:07 utc | 84
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Oh yes. Let’s replace one primitive and savage with another primitive and savage religion, using characteristically primitive and savage methods to do so.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 27 2023 12:07 utc | 125

re malenkov | Dec 27 2023 12:07 utc | 124
I left out a word; the eighth word should be “religion” of coursez
.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 27 2023 12:09 utc | 126

The link provided above leads to the forst De Zayas article. Todays article can be found here:
https://geopolitiekincontext.wordpress.com/2023/12/27/het-eminente-gedachtegoed-van-alfred-de-zayas/
With my apologies!

Posted by: Paul-Robert | Dec 27 2023 12:10 utc | 127

As the days go by, the mass murder continues unabated and the Zionist crimes, as they are uncovered are becoming more and more depraved, as are the things spoken by Israeli politicians and other prominents on Israeli media.
However this fight ends, Israeli society and state will not survive in the long run. Zionist society is deeply sick, fatally at this stage, because it was born in crime and has elevated decades-long crimes against Palestinians as a duty to the nation, a badge of honor, a virtue, so that “kill them all”, the hallmark cry of genocide, is heard on main media as a matter of fact, freely, with passion and conviction. It is promoted as the solution for Israeli survival, security and prosperity.
The Zionist society will die of its own poison, doubtless. Recall, just as an example,the 100 doctors who publicly called for the bombing of Gaza hospitals. That is a symptom of incurable sickness of society.
And today, the “level of horror in Gaza is unmatched in our lifetime” according to the UN Special Rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian Territories Francesca Albanese:
“in Gaza, Palestinian children are given sedatives to alleviate their pain while dying – as they cannot be treated”.
“80 days of heavy Israeli bombing have devastated the health system. This level of horror is unmatched in our lifetime,” she added.
That is how this world is entering 2024!

Posted by: JB | Dec 27 2023 12:20 utc | 128

121 Steve 2 . That was a month ago. There’s multiple videos and articles , but no one’s talking about anything more recent than that event

Posted by: Hankster | Dec 27 2023 12:30 utc | 129

Posted by: Blissex | Dec 26 2023 18:57 utc | 46
“because it will make more likely that then when another Saladdin happens, whether in 100 or 200 years, all the palestinian jews will be cleanly pushed out of Palestine”
Posted by: Jane | Dec 26 2023 23:27 utc | 64
«They might think this, but it sounds pretty dumb to me»
For nearly 2,000 years the non-assimilationist diaspora jews have wished each other on new year “Next time we will meet in Jerusalem” (and suffered a lot for that), and the fascist ruthenians (and fascist poles and lithuanians) have been waiting since the defeat of their empire in 1795 by Muscovy to recreate Greater Ukraine, and now they have got USA help (so they think) to do that, and there have been revanchist movements all over the world.
It is therefore no surprise that while some palestinian arabs have chosen “dedicatio” (surrender) to the palestinian jews, the majority will keep waiting for the second coming of Saladdin (after which the main road in Gaza is named, of course), and will use never ending terrorism to undermine any two-state or other peace process, just like the israeli terrorist who murdered Y. Rabin.
It is also no surprise that many revanchisms have been used by elites as means to acquire power, for example rich rabbis among the jewish diaspora.

Posted by: Blissex | Dec 27 2023 12:43 utc | 130

Posted by: JB | Dec 27 2023 12:20 utc | 127
It’s a horrible way to usher in a new year, to be sure.
The perpetrators of this assault on the dignity and soul of all humanity shall pay dearly in the long run, and rightly so.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Dec 27 2023 12:44 utc | 131

106 Arch Bungle
‘ Given what we know of the Zionist Jew’s capacity and talent for LYING it would behoove humankind to form a new committee to review the entire corpus of written history in the West to determine exactly what has been contorted, distorted and concealed from the ‘goyim’ by the zionist owners of the publishing houses, printing presses, media industry and ‘Educational Institutions’.’
100 % agree.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 27 2023 12:53 utc | 132

re Maldonado: Par for the course, isn’t it, from the corp that gave us asbestos-laden baby powder and an ineffective (and frequently adulterated) COVID vaccine?

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 27 2023 12:54 utc | 133

It’s difficult to express outrage over what is really happening in the Palestine atrocity, but Ron Unz does a very good job here, along with important points from the history:
from Dec 18 2023
“Gaza and the Dangers of Jewish Paranoia”
https://www.unz.com/runz/gaza-and-the-dangers-of-jewish-paranoia/
This paragraph stood out for me as an example of the problem of paranoia and delusion as root cause of the violence and the lying:
Such exceptionally bloodthirsty ideological proclamations by top Israeli leaders have real-world consequences in Gaza. Al Jazeera recently broadcast a seemingly credible report that Israeli soldiers had come across a group of women, children, and infants taking shelter in a school and killed them all execution-style, perhaps thereby doing their religious duty and fulfilling Netanyahu’s public calls to treat the Palestinians as “the Tribe of Amalak,” whom the Hebrew God commanded must be exterminated down to the youngest newborn baby.

Posted by: botete | Dec 27 2023 12:57 utc | 134

The Zionist mass murders of xmas 2023 have sealed the fate of the illegal apartheid entity in the Levant.
It must be the purpose of such infamy! That is the only logical surmise I can make. They know they can not hang onto their Dream of the River to the Sea. The crossroads of the Levant. So must decamp! Hoping to hang onto the resources and wealth through other proxies.
The sane judaeophiles can see this.
My partner declared yesterday – that she was brought upto to believe she might be Jewish (a joke by her father) and that the illegal entity was a worthy and should be respected, for the persecuted who were the only ones in the death camps (a lie)
That is what we were all brought up to believe – that the poor persecuted survivors went to an uninhabited land that was only a desert.
Then we met Palestinians our age, friends, lovers and partners who had children who see such suffering of ‘their own’. The real persecuted and discriminated. Deported from their ancient homeland.
It was a moment. A Xmas miracle. I will treasure it forever.
it has repeated amongst many in the last week here in London.
I met more than a few. Peoples are awaking from 80 years of hypnotism they shake their heads as they see that the apple they thought they were eating is an onion!
What makes me convinced it’s almost planned?
Nuttyahoo demented. Here he is raving. This is is immense. He seems to be telling us straight to camera that we are fools!
‘🇵🇸 Palestinian pastor slams Western Chruch for covering up geocide
RT report on Netanyahu’s unhinged Christmas message to Christians around the world.
🔴 @DDGeopolitics ‘
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/96733
It’s on RT news. Excoriating.
The shapeshifters are moving on to new identities which they have been cultivating for a few decades… it is all they have ever known how to do, they want to leave behind the historical victimisation again.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 27 2023 13:13 utc | 135

Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 3:07 utc | 84
“This is probably the order Bibi received from the Lord regarding Palestinians. People may call this ethnic cleansing or genocide, but the Chosen People of God know that this is obedience to God. God has to be obeyed or else . . .”
I couldn’t believe that Maldonado was actually spouting such insane nonsense. I thought he was kind of channeling Bibi’s insanity.
But I guess he actually thinks that Bibi is getting direction straight from “God.” He actually thinks that Jews are God’s Chosen People. He actually thinks that humans have no free will and just follow “God” like robots when He commands them to kill, kill, kill . . .
What a primitive, savage religion. We must get these people out of any seats of power. Perhaps the Inquisition was right to force them to convert to Christianitiy, “or else” …
From the photo, Maldonado looks like the village idiot. Should one be alarmed that this dolt is a top manager of a major international drug and medical supply company? I think so!

The belief in being ‘Chosen by God’ is an extension of feeling that who I am matters. Ultimately all demons boil down to putting self over other, an existential conundrum all humanity wrestles with from cradle to grave. Because each of us IS an individual, IS unique and so IS special, just like each child is a precious blessing. The notion of a Chosen People is applying that same individual specialness to a collective.
This sense of individual or collective specialness is somewhat natural, however the problem is when it is taken to extremes, that I am or We are special and You or They are not – the untermenschen fallacy, or trap. Confucian societies try to pacify this Demon by regulating relationships into hierarchies based on natural order, for example that parents are superior to their children, that husbands lead and protect their wives, that elders are accorded respect by those younger, that followers respect and obey leaders and so forth.
Because although all are not equal in skill, background or social standing, yet all are equally a part of the whole with each part having value. However, the Ego Demon insists that it is more important than any other.
At least this chap expresses that Demon openly. The world has to find a way to manage this Demon so that it is not allowed to be in charge, as is now the case in Israel viz the Palestinians.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 27 2023 13:14 utc | 136

Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 3:07 utc | 84
«Re Maldonado, in the first Tweit he quoted Samuel 15:3:
“Now go and completely destroy the entire Amalekite nation—–men, women, children, babies, cattle, sheep, goats, camels, and donkeys.”
Wow.»
That is the absolute right of The Lord for believers: the Lord can make and unmake whatever, as the creator, for example sending the angel of death to kill all firstborn children. If The Lord decided for whatever reason to invert some of the 10 commandments, it would be a grave sin to abstain from thieving or to avoid murdering people.
In the case of Amalek, the bible reports that the jews disobeyed The Lord and did not destroy the entire Amalek nation, but spared the women and the cattle etc. of the amalekites and looted them. For this The Lord sent them a plague and only when a prophet of The Lord told them to destroy all women and cattle etc. they had looted from Amalek and they did so the plague ended.
«Then Maldonado wrote: “This is probably the order Bibi received from the Lord regarding Palestinians. People may call this ethnic cleansing or genocide, but the Chosen People of God know that this is obedience to God. God has to be obeyed or else”»
Bibi has mentioned the amalekites himself, and I am surprised (not so much) that for such an act of monstrous blasphemy against The Lord his fellow jews have not yet lynched him.
Because while The Lord has for believers the right to order the extermination of whoever The Lord wishes, and to disobey is a grave sin (as for the women and cattle of Amalek) *only* The Lord can order that, and only an anointed prophet can speak for The Lord in relaying such order.
For any ordinary mortal to claim the right to exterminate as if they were The Lord or behave as an anointed prophet speaking for The Lord, making a parallel with The Lord’s decision about Amalek, is a monstrous blaphemy of claiming to be like The Lord or to be a prophet speaking for The Lord.
But I guess that there are not that many believers there.

Posted by: Blissex | Dec 27 2023 13:16 utc | 137

Perhaps the Inquisition was right to force them to convert to Christianitiy, “or else”
Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 3:07 utc | 84
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 27 2023 12:07 utc | 124
Turns out the inquisition merely provided them with a convenient new host …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 13:21 utc | 138

Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 27 2023 4:36 utc | 92
Re Maldonado, in the first Tweit he quoted Samuel 15:3:
” Now go and completely destroy the entire Amalekite nation—–men, women, children, babies, cattle, sheep, goats, camels, and donkeys.”
Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 3:07 utc | 84
The story line in the Bible is that under the leadership of Moses, about 600,000 people fled Egypt.

And yet according to some modern Jewish historians this is bunkum. Indeed, at the time of Jesus, centuries later, the largest concentration of Jews in the world lived in Cairo which was still the hub of East-West trade, far more than lived in Judea. (The proposed Gaza Canal will cut Cairo off from that trade for the first time in human history by diverting it through Israel. The Jews and Chinese go back millennia and quite possibly a deal is in place to continue that relationship.)
Strangely, the word for Pharaoh in older versions of the Bible is the Yemeni word for King. It’s possible they are an old trading tribe from Yemen, which is at the mouth of the Red Sea, the main sea route from East to West as well. Looks like they have been a spread out tribe, or network, of traders and middle men since time immemorial and so perhaps are as much a mindset as a particular race (always mixed), religion (always imitating others) or people (always a subset profiting off and slightly apart from larger ‘host’ populations).

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 27 2023 13:30 utc | 139

To me, the sinking of the Novocherkassk in Feodosia sounds extremely odd. As usual there is not much reliable info but much poking around in the dark. Simplicius 76 brings in the possibility that it was a sabotage act rather than a missile strike „because not a single piece of footage had the sounds or sights of any missile activity“. I did not cover all reports and footage, but he has a point. The whole story just sounds extremely odd, given the fact that Russia routinely shoots down various types of missiles and drones going to Crimea. So – was a new or modified type used which circumvented their defences? Were the Russians blinded? Or was it a complete balls-up from their side?
But then I also found it puzzling that Kyiv should have chosen a target of less relevance for the Russian operation while Buyan-M-class literally moored within spitting distance. Yes, there were claims that the Novocherkassk was stuffed with ammo or drones, but way more interesting is that the ship was used to supply the Russian base in Tartus. And so I came to the conclusion that this was not an Ukrainian operation – but an Israeli one. Somebody or something was on board the Novocherkassk who or which was relevant to the Levantine theatre. Maybe AD ammo or decommissioned systems which should go to Syria. And the Israelis put that stuff of action – using a drone or explosives or what else. It would surely not have been their first out of area operation, just remember incidents like their raid on Iranian MV Saviz in the Red Sea two years ago. Additionally, they can count on Putin that he covers their back as he did in November 2018 when the Israelis shot down a Russian Il-20 over Syria.
Just my two cents and that’s why I left them in the Palestine thread.

Posted by: Seneschal | Dec 27 2023 13:35 utc | 140

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 4:23 utc | 88
«Israelis are taught that they are the chosen people to inhabit what was previously an uninhabited»
Well, before WW2 that area had around 1m inhabitants, so compared to today’s 10-15m it was pretty empty, not surprising as many other areas were hugely underpopulated compared to today (e.g. Arabia 3-4m instead of 35-40m).
https://ourworldindata.org/population-growth-over-time
«they are taught that Palestinian Arabs are less than human»
Compare with the numerous calls by commenters on this blog for the extermination of [human animal] [orc] palestinian jews. That is the logic of disputes over land, and of war propaganda.
«So it’s not as likely as you would think that the average Israeli, let alone fundamentalist settlers or Zionists even care to look at what their government is doing to Gaza or the West Bank, or if they do know they shrug it off.»
Like most middle class people in the rest of the world.
«Hence even if an Israeli citizen is aware and horrified about what the IDF is doing, they are probably pretty inclined to self-censorship and not rocking the boat»
It surely helps that the main strategy of the palestinian arabs is to keep terrorizing the palestinian jews, so the latter keep terrorizing the palestinian arabs, so there is never a chance for a peace deal and one day in 100-200 years the second coming of Saladin will push the palestinian jews into the sea and the palestinian arabs of that future century will then get everything instead of less than half. 🙁

Posted by: Blissex | Dec 27 2023 13:40 utc | 141

Posted by: Seneschal | Dec 27 2023 13:35 utc | 137
Just my two cents and that’s why I left them in the Palestine thread.

Ka Ching!

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 27 2023 13:55 utc | 142

Bethlehem should never be bombed.
Anyone who advocates the destruction of the Orders who protect the place—by inhabiting it with their mortal bodies—deserves to be reclaimed by hell, in its worst form.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Dec 27 2023 13:57 utc | 143

The NYT revealed that the Izzies had Hamas’ Oct 7th plans months in advance.
Mossad has had for years spies crawling all over Gaza. This cannot be disputed.
Given these facts do the Izzies also possess the detailed layout of the network of tunnels
beneath Gaza and beyond?
If so, how can the Izzies take advantage of this knowledge?


I wonder if there are tunnels that extend substantially outside Gaza into occupied Palestine that
create the opportunity for Oct 7th part 2? Do the Izzies know of these plans/tunnels also?

Posted by: librul | Dec 27 2023 14:06 utc | 144

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 13:21 utc | 135
Turns out the inquisition merely provided them with a convenient new host …

A neat little throwaway remark.
Once in conversation with a senior (Jewish) USG civil servant I remarked that even if magically all Jews vanished from the world today, within a century the same sort of networks would re-emerge because with any civilization come networks of commerce which attract those who want pieces of that wealth concentration pie for themselves.
There are other elements one could layer in, namely that in all human lives there is a struggle to develop virtue and avoid vice, to promote good not evil, to serve others rather than only oneself, to work hard and be productive rather then being lazy and self-indulgent. And the problem with those attracted to getting a piece of the wealth pie is that they will tend to emphasize benefiting themselves over others and thus will tend to favour vice over virtue.
Because this good-evil dynamic is always in play we cannot avoid or transcend it so good civilizations foster virtue and discourage vice neither of which can be respectively guaranteed or eliminated by decree or force (totalitarian control). Ultimately, civilization is an art form, one that fosters the good, the true, the beautiful whilst inhibiting that which exploits or corrupts them.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 27 2023 14:22 utc | 145

13:49 Israeli army radio: Casualties as Israeli paratrooper who took part in Gaza battles suffered panic attack and opened fire at colleagues in Ashkelon


Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 14:46 utc | 146

“Perhaps the Inquisition was right to force them to convert to Christianitiy, “or else” …”
Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 3:07 utc | 84
For the most part, force only changes things outward but leaves genetic inclinations unaltered.

Posted by: Joey | Dec 27 2023 14:57 utc | 147

@Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 14:46 utc | 149
That soldier manifested individual PTSD,
however Zionists generally have a serious case of self-inflicted PTSD.
For decades they have taught their people victimhood.
This constant harping on victimhood has an impact on the psyche
which manifests…well…you have witnessed it.
Mistrust of “others”, violent actions, isolation or general separatism, total denial of responsibility towards their fellowman.
They oppress others and when that oppression is met with a reaction they have utter denial of responsibility
and it generates further violence on their part. All of which feeds and deepens their PTSD.
They have allies such as the ADL which nurture, promote and milk this sense of victimhood. The ADL cares not about the impact this all has
on the psyche – PTSD. The ADL is harmful to their own people.
Zionists need healing, serious healing, yet Zionists and pro-Zionists constantly feed their own PTSD.
That is so dangerous, to themselves and the world!

Posted by: librul | Dec 27 2023 15:20 utc | 148

Posted by: daffyDuct | Dec 27 2023 1:56 utc | 82
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It sounds as though they are having a skill shortage in Taiwan.
I read recently that the critical technology for manufacturing ultra-ultra-ultra-nanochips (don’t ask me to regurgi
tate the tech details)—-extrememy complex and arcane—has been developed in the Netherlands. I think it is also very energy-intensive.
Anyhow, they have a supply chain and contracts to Taiwan, I guess.
Another pointlet in this article is the expectation of financial support from the US government. Hmmmm. I wonder how much, and in what form? Defense contracts ?
The bottom line is that it is not clear (at least to me) why the USA doesn’t have our own chip makers. Isn’t this a national seclurity issue? I bet Russia is developing its own independent chip capacity.
However, I can well imagine that US “leaders” underestimate the complexity of the technology and manufacturing processes involved. And I can also well imagine that our educational system does not produce enough trainable workers for this industry

Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 15:22 utc | 149

Canuck 127
“You are a fan of the Spanish Inquisition ?”
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Get a grip, Canuck!
Sad for you that don’t “get” the tone (hint: “or else . . .”) and waste a lot of time and space on an “edifying” history lecture.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 15:27 utc | 150

Zionists need healing, serious healing, yet Zionists and pro-Zionists constantly feed their own PTSD.
That is so dangerous, to themselves and the world!
Posted by: librul | Dec 27 2023 15:20 utc | 151
I once said on these forums that the way I recognize pure evil is by it’s tendency to destroy all life around it and once that’s done to turn inward and destroy itself.
Whether the Zionists are evil itself, or merely it’s victims is a question philosophers will be pondering long after my time has passed …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 15:37 utc | 151

“You are a fan of the Spanish Inquisition ?”
Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 15:27 utc | 153
Only the funny parts: Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 15:43 utc | 152

Posted by: Blissex | Dec 27 2023 13:40 utc | 144
Utter hasbara adjacent rubbish. Count me as disappointed.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 15:45 utc | 153

The displacement of Jewish communities in Arab countries occurred over a span of several decades, with significant waves of emigration in the late 1940s through the 1950s.
Some of the major Jewish communities affected included those in Iraq, Egypt, Yemen, Libya, Syria, and Lebanon. Many Jews left their homes and properties, and their departure had a significant impact on the demographic and cultural landscape of the Middle East.”
Posted by: g | Dec 27 2023 4:27 utc | 93
AND
The script, if you will. And it’s applicable to any Western country – and Israel, a settler colonial apartheid project comprised mostly of white Europeans doing what white Europeans have done for centuries.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 4:32 utc | 94
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No argument with these posts, but just pointing out something of a disconnect here concerning the makeup of the Jewish population of Zionistan. Per Alastair Crooke and others Zion. is very racist, the Ashkenazim looking down on the rest. And the rest being restive. But, per Crooke, the Middle Eastern Jews, long looked down upon by the Europeans, actually are the furthest to the right. And, I wonder what the ME Jews think of the 15% of settlers in the West Bank who come from the USA.
This whole issue is beyond my pay grade, but possibly some local expert can explain the racial/political dynamics within Zion. and how they affect the perception within Zion. of the Gaza and Hamas situation.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 15:46 utc | 154

Posted by: Blissex | Dec 27 2023 12:43 utc | 133
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I see no reason to apply Jewish terminology and ideas (“second coming”) to Arabs.
Please document this far-fetched notion of Saladin being viewed as an Islamic Messiah with Islamic sources.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 15:52 utc | 155

“You are a fan of the Spanish Inquisition ?”
Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 15:27 utc | 153
Only the funny parts: Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 15:43 utc | 155
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Glad someone around here has a sense of humor.
Get it, “or else . . .” get stoned:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcsrW_3-G6w

Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 15:59 utc | 156

With this genocide costing Israel so much money, piling up so much debt, maybe soon the Rothschilds will pull out of the project?

Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Dec 27 2023 16:10 utc | 157

What a primitive, savage religion. We must get these people out of any seats of power. Perhaps the Inquisition was right to force them to convert to Christianitiy, “or else”
Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 3:07 utc | 84
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Oh yes. Let’s replace one primitive and savage with another primitive and savage religion, using characteristically primitive and savage methods to do so.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 27 2023 12:07 utc | 128
malenkov you are correct: replacing a repressive religion for another repressive religion makes absolutely no sense. .

Posted by: canuck | Dec 27 2023 16:17 utc | 158

The story line in the Bible is that under the leadership of Moses, about 600,000 people fled Egypt.
And yet according to some modern Jewish historians this is bunkum. Indeed, at the time of Jesus, centuries later, the largest concentration of Jews in the world lived in Cairo which was still the hub of East-West trade…
Looks like they have been a spread out tribe, or network, of traders and middle men since time immemorial…
Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 27 2023 13:30 utc | 142
While we are in the business of revising history: Did the Romans actually produce the Jewish diaspora? If they did it was unique because it was not Roman custom to disperse populations that they found disagreeable. And there is a lack of evidence to support it, other than knowing that the diaspora exists. Thus it is equally supportable that the diaspora predated the conquest and termination of Judea.
The reason the Jews might falsely claim they were dispersed is that it gives their population victim status. That is: Poor us, we are forced to live in other peoples countries.

Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 27 2023 16:22 utc | 159

With this genocide costing Israel so much money, piling up so much debt, maybe soon the Rothschilds will pull out of the project?
Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Dec 27 2023 16:10 utc | 160
Whatever the strategy utilized by the West in Israel it is decided by the City of London which the Rothschilds are a part.
The City doesn’t care a whit about Judaism or anything else for that matter-they care only for power, control and owning Serfs. Money, means nothing to them as well; they have oodles of it, they can create it, destroy it , whatever their current ploy calls for-what they don’t quite have is total control of all the world’s Serfs.
They are working on the latter.
In my humble opinion, they are using the current Zionist atrocities as ‘bait’ to lead the world into WW3 and a reset of their own making.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 27 2023 16:25 utc | 160

Judaism was once a religion. A religion that spread like wildfire among women. Flavius Josephus says that Judaism was present “in all the nations of the world” that is to say the sum of the Persian world, the Greek world and the Roman world, which was the whole world at that time seen from the Mediterranean. The legend of the “exile” is a Christian legend assumed by the traditionalist rabbis.

Posted by: Simon | Dec 27 2023 16:29 utc | 161

From that religion which spread like wildfire among women, emerged the Christians who were (ca. 40-300) a group of dissidents of the Empire whose first value was Peace.
The traditionalist rabbis (200/400-) decided NOT to be a religion and with the passage of time forged (ca. 600-1200) an ethnicity: the Yiddish people, who triumphed demographically in Poland, Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania when they found their niche among the Catholic ruling class and the orthodox Christian peasantry.

Posted by: Simon | Dec 27 2023 16:37 utc | 162

From that religion which spread like wildfire among women, emerged the Christians who were (ca. 40-300) a group of dissidents of the Empire whose first value was Peace.
The traditionalist rabbis (200/400-) decided NOT to be a religion and with the passage of time forged (ca. 600-1200) an ethnicity: the Yiddish people, who triumphed demographically in Poland, Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania when they found their niche among the Catholic ruling class and the orthodox Christian peasantry.

Posted by: Simon | Dec 27 2023 16:37 utc | 163

Is it zionism that proclaims jews are “God’s chosen people”?
Or is it judaism?

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Dec 27 2023 16:39 utc | 164

Is it zionism that proclaims jews are “God’s chosen people”?
Or is it judaism?
Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Dec 27 2023 16:39 utc | 167
“The chosen people” is basic Judaism.
Zionism is the method to enforce it.
That’s my take, I would imagine there are more sagacious posters who can explain better than I.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 27 2023 16:56 utc | 165

All the dots of the shapeshifters current shape detailed in 10 minutes- it takes an artiste to do that. Taken me years and I had most of the dots especially that total turd Murdoch and his stable.
Woke is their weapons as is anti-woke
Please watch. Enjoy. Support. This is the future of alternative news space that MoA inhabits too.
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Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 27 2023 16:58 utc | 166

Whoops. Link.
https://nitter.net/DoubleDownNews/status/1738131230686580870#m

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 27 2023 17:00 utc | 167

The question is “chosen” for what.
There have been Judaisms throughout history of various flavors or colors.
But Zionism, its Mental Software, is very clear in a series of bloody pamphlets from Persian imperial times preserved in the so-called Old Testament.
And it is clear that Zionism means to steal, kill and enslave.

Posted by: Simon | Dec 27 2023 17:00 utc | 168

“The chosen people” is basic Judaism.
Zionism is the method to enforce it.
Posted by: canuck | Dec 27 2023 16:56 utc | 168
Zionism is the Military Arm of the Jewish Political Franchise.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 17:02 utc | 169

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 14:46 utc | 149
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As with Russia in the SMO, one cannot underestimate how important it is for troops to be “blooded”.
It’s one thing to harass Palestinians in the West Bank or abuse them on the Gaza border. It’s another thing to be in non-stop life-and-death scenarios. That’s when the mettle of a man is determined.
Who cracks, and who can thrive?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 27 2023 17:09 utc | 170

Egyptian journalist Mohammed Al-Alawi was found dead after his investigation into the purchase of a luxury villa in El Gouna by Zelensky’s mother-in-law.
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/158549-egyptian_journalist_killed/
Zellensky’s crimes continue and now reach the country of my family. Disgusting.

Posted by: Melkiades | Dec 27 2023 17:12 utc | 171

Arch @ Dec 26 2023 18:31 utc | 45
Thank you for taking the time to provide that. It helps me understand.

Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Dec 27 2023 17:13 utc | 172

I’m terribly sorry, I posted the news about the murdered Egyptian journalist in the wrong open thread. I can’t delete it. Maybe b. can move it to the Ukraine thread when he’ll be back, although I’m sure he’ll find better use of his time.

Posted by: Melkiades | Dec 27 2023 17:16 utc | 173

That soldier manifested individual PTSD,
however Zionists generally have a serious case of self-inflicted PTSD.
Posted by: librul | Dec 27 2023 15:20 utc | 151
Well explained. I don’t see how warriors can be drawn from a society based on such material.
Explains the heavy reliance on technological “means”: The technology is like a life-support system extending and compensating for capabilities not present in the soldier.
The lesser the warrior, the more the reliance on advanced technological means …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 17:17 utc | 174

It’s another thing to be in non-stop life-and-death scenarios. That’s when the mettle of a man is determined.
Who cracks, and who can thrive?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 27 2023 17:09 utc | 173
One can say of the average Hamas fighter that from birth (and probably to death) his existence has been a “non-stop life-and-death scenarios”.
Those who would cracked have cracked a long time ago and only the strong remain …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 17:19 utc | 175

It’s another thing to be in non-stop life-and-death scenarios. That’s when the mettle of a man is determined.
Who cracks, and who can thrive?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 27 2023 17:09 utc | 173
One can say of the average Hamas fighter that from birth (and probably to death) his existence has been a “non-stop life-and-death scenarios”.
Those who would cracked have cracked a long time ago and only the strong remain …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 17:19 utc | 178
In Dune where did the Padishah Emperor get his best soldiers, Sarduaker, from?
Salus Secondus, the prison planet, where the strongest survived; the Fremen bested them yet their lives ‘were survival for the fittest’as well.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 27 2023 17:26 utc | 176

@ DuchessandBob
“Is it zionism that proclaims jews are “God’s chosen people”?
Or is it judaism?”
Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Dec 27 2023 16:39 utc | 167
I started plowing through this book recently. Link below.
Excerpt:

Throughout the sixteenth century, the Marranos migrated to nations with Jewish communities, but were not allowed to officially join them. Many, feeling as foreign to one religion as the other, lost their faith. But their rejection of Jewish religion was not a rejection of Jewishness. On the contrary: beginning in the fifteenth century, a heightened racial pride emerged among the New Christians, in direct contradiction to the Christian concept that, among the baptized, “there is neither Jew nor Greek” (Galatians 3:28). Having been forced to change their religion, the Marranos minimized the importance of religion and interpreted their Jewishness in racial terms, allowing them to view themselves as
fundamentally Jewish, and only incidentally Christian.
It was the Marranos who, inspired by the Talmud, disseminated the first racist theories: in 1655 Isaac La Peyrère, a Marrano from Bordeaux, claimed in his treatise Præadamitæ that Adam is the ancestor of the Jewish race, while other breeds are derived from a pre-Adamic humanity, devoid of soul. In an earlier book, Du rappel des Juifs (1643), La Peyrère had already evoked a fundamental difference in biological makeup between Jews and Gentiles, while conceding that the difference is less than that between the bodies of beasts and men’s bodies because only the latter are “capable of resurrection and immortality”; however, “the bodies of Jews are capable of more Grace and Glory than the bodies of the Gentiles.”179
Far from blending in with Christian society, New Christians socialized and married only among themselves, continued to practice usury, and still served as intermediaries between the elite and the masses of Old Christians, only with increased freedom and legitimacy. This behavior was the determining factor in the transformation of religiously based Judeophobia into the racial Judeophobia that would later be called “anti-Semitism”; the 1449 anti-Jewish revolt against the conversos of Toledo marked the turning point. Until then, both the Church and the people recognized that a Jewish convert to Christianity was not a Jew but a Christian. But conversion, which had reinforced the racial paradigm among New Christians, triggered a backlash among Spanish Old Christians: they too began to exalt their race. The ideology of “pure blood” became a central value of the hidalgo nobility, and resulted in the limpieza de sangre (purity of blood) statutes of 1449 denying the conversos access to certain occupations. According to historian Americo Castro, this Spanish purity-of-blood ideology was basically a reaction to, and a mirror image of, Jewish racism. Yet it was milder: one could hardly find among Spaniards the equivalent of this certificate established in 1300 by a rabbi, guaranteeing after investigation that two young candidates for marriage “were of pure descent, without any family taint, and that they could intermarry with the most honored families in Israel; for there had been no admixture of impure blood in the paternal or maternal antecedents and their collateral relatives.”180
p 146
https://archive.org/details/from-yahweh-to-zion-laurent-guyenot

I do not have the expertise to soundly evaluate the book.

Posted by: suzan | Dec 27 2023 17:34 utc | 177

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 27 2023 5:35 utc | 104
Well said.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 17:37 utc | 178

I highly recommend the documentary “The Man Who Knew Too Much | Documentary on Propaganda and Disinformation War” which I have just finished viewing.:

The Man Who Knew Too Much is a documentary by Michael Oswald about Colin Wallace a former Military Intelligence Officer involved in psychological operations in Northern Ireland. Colin Wallace spread fake news, created a witchcraft scare, smeared politicians, and attempted to divide and create conflict amongst communities, organizations, and individuals as part of a Disinformation War in Northern Ireland. He fell out with members of the intelligence community and found himself accused of murder.

Many of the “dirty tricks”/psyops British intelligence (The IDG) applied to the IRA are remarkably similar to what Mossad apply to HAMAS:
– Accusations of involvement in criminal activities and drugs
– Accusations of shady economic transactions
– Accusations of involvement and association with disreputable organisations …
In fact the entire list of character assassination bullet points directed against Hamas resembles that leveled against the IRA by British Intelligence during the troubles.
One wonders to what extent the British were involved in teaching Izzraeli intelligence their “trade” …
The Man Who Knew Too Much | Documentary on Propaganda and Disinformation War

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 17:45 utc | 179

It seems Hezbollah also agrees that “settlers” are not “civilians”:

17:29 Hezbollah fires 30 missiles at Kiryat Shmona in response to the Israeli aggression on the civilians in Bint Jbeil: statement
19:37 Kiryat Shmona municipality orders settlers “who remained in the settlement” to stay inside fortified places and abide by the army instructions
19:43 Israeli media says Iron Dome intercepted only 3 of the missiles fired by Hezbollah at Kiryat Shmona Wednesday

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 17:57 utc | 180

“Is it zionism that proclaims jews are “God’s chosen people”?
Or is it judaism?”
Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Dec 27 2023 16:39 utc | 167
The tribes of the judaic faith defined themselfes as “choosen”.
zionism is the complement to localized nationalism ( coming up in the 19th century ) one intended vector was giving more social weight to Jews.
Fallout was wishing for a jewish localized nation ( for true nationalism.)
unfortunately both vectors unpleasantly mixed religion with localization.
result the mess we now have on our hands.

Posted by: MAKK | Dec 27 2023 18:04 utc | 181

Arch Bungle 103
Jews in places like Morocco and Iraq were driven out, and went to live in Israel.
But this was not the result of persecution in those countries by moslems.
Zionist agents planted bombs outside synagogues and Jewish owned property to create panic amongst Jews there.
They were the victims of Zionist Terror just as much as the Palestinians.
The Zionist Regime often tries falsely to claim that Jews were driven out of these places, and so this in some way “evens out” their genocidal terror against the Palestinians.
Most of the so called “anti semitic incidents” are bogus, hoaxes perpetrated by Zionist individuals and organisations.
There were hundreds of telephone threats and bomb hoaxes to synagogues and Jewish community centres in the US. These were all made by one Jew in Israel.
There was a lot of vandalism in Jewish cemeteries in France. Same story – when the offender was caught, it turned out to be a Jewish man.
A Jewish female student in the US claimed to be targeted by anti semitic graffiti. A hidden camera caught her spray painting swastikas on her walls.
Most of these reported incidents, with howls of outrage about “a six million per cent increase in anti semitism” fall into the “Wotcherdoin’, Rabbi?” category.

Posted by: anon | Dec 27 2023 18:08 utc | 182

In these past days following the U.S. neutering of the UNSC ceasefire resolution, Israel has both intensified its air bombing campaign in Gaza and admitted its ground combat mission has failed to make much headway at all in achieving its announced war aims. Israeli officials therefore insist that the overall “war” – I.e. relentless bombing of trapped and defenceless civilians – will continue into a future measured by “months” at least. That will not occur.
The carnage will likely continue unabated through this week, until the U.S. tacit deadline of the end of December is reached. While the Americans won’t adjust their policies, at some time in January the breaking point will arrive and the regional war everyone claims to wish to avoid will take shape. My best guess is this will mostly involve concerted kinetic activity directed at US military bases in the region, and some sort of “statement” event within Israel. At that point the rungs of the escalation ladder will be visible and it will be incumbent on the Americans to decide whether to go up or down.
New Year’s prediction (I could be totally wrong): The Americans descend the ladder. The Israeli right-wing provides the scapegoats. Biden steps aside from running for 2nd term. However, the “normalization” process continues with some adjustments, with US and Israel still at the centre of it.

Posted by: jayc | Dec 27 2023 18:21 utc | 183

“Get a grip…”
by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 15:27 utc | 153
I’m glad I didn’t miss construe your remarks but have some thoughts on the inquisition.
It’s one of my data points in the very long history of religious conflict and persecution whereby we created this monster.
Israel, and ultimately this genocide is something we all share responsibility for. At least in a historical context. And we Canucks and all our Western Buddies share huge responsibility for what’s currently going on.
Arch seems to be quite confrontational on this issue but I find I agreed with nearly all of his comments. This needs to end and I’m not on Israel’s side.
My biggest concern is that should the Palestinians prevail the evacuation of Jews from the area could lead to a second genocide.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 27 2023 18:28 utc | 184

“For the most part, force only changes things outward but leaves genetic inclinations unaltered.”
Joey | Dec 27 2023 14:57 utc | 150
Awesome Joey. We should have that put on humanity’s gravestone.
You know when trying to solve a problem it’s important to start with root causes. If you can determine them. And in the simplest terms possible you nailed it.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 27 2023 18:35 utc | 185

Menz | Dec 27 2023 4:41 utc | 94
*** Self proclaimed atheist? Or does that only apply to religions other than jewish?***
Maybe unknown to those living outside the UK is that Political Establishment mass-media (such as the BBC or Guardian) habitually refers to hypocritical narcissist Stephen Fry as being “a national treasure”.
Some years ago it was reported that sycophants on Facebook were fascinated by his continuous flood of posted drivel re matters like what he ate for breakfast.

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 27 2023 18:42 utc | 186

Re Amalek,
This is not the first time that genocide Benny has uttered the Amalek. Much milage has been gained by it. Back in 2009 Iran was/still is in the crosshairs.
https://collive.com/bibi-iran-is-todays-amalek/

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Dec 27 2023 18:42 utc | 187

Re Amalek,
Oh and, why is everyone avoiding the word “ass” for donkey?
An ass is an ass.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Dec 27 2023 18:47 utc | 188

I’m beginning to think the Zionists have used the same brainwashing chemicals on their own people as the used on Daesh and Azov to make them irrational and spiteful.
Unless it’s a side-effect of Jews being displaced persons from Northern climes.
Who told them Palestine was going to be a bed of roses? The entire area has been trashed by Crusaders for generations.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 27 2023 18:54 utc | 189

@162,
“The story line in the Bible is that under the leadership of Moses, about 600,000 people fled Egypt.
And yet according to some modern Jewish historians this is bunkum. Indeed, at the time of Jesus, centuries later, the largest concentration of Jews in the world lived in Cairo which was still the hub of East-West trade…”
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Is the implication that most of the Jews never left Egypt and gravitated to Cairo?

Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 19:01 utc | 190

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 17:57 utc | 183
No, Hezbollah does not say settlers are not civilians, because they are civilians.
Hezbollah, that is Nasrallah, stated in one of his speeches, I think the first one after 7 October, that it will be civilians for civilians.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 27 2023 18:28 utc | 187
‘Israel, and ultimately this genocide is something we all share responsibility for. At least in a historical context’.
I agree with you on this. It is a fundamental issue that should be universally honestly discussed as a prerequisite for “never again” to become possible.
You also express concern that ‘should the Palestinians prevail the evacuation of Jews from the area could lead to a second genocide’.
That is a legitimate concern and should not happen under any circumstances.
But the Jews do not need to evacuate. If the Palestinians win in their struggle, which they ultimately will, and if they exercise the right to self-determination by referendum of the indigenous population, Muslims, Christians and Jews, why would the Jews leave, except those who so wish.
In any case, the Jews of Israel should not be forced out of Palestine, because that would be a terrible crime.
If a Palestinian state is created from the River to the Sea, it needs to be a place for all good people of Palestine, otherwise there will never be peace, stability and prosperity there.
The haters, the supremacists, the chauvinists and xenophobes, the war criminals and assorted other criminals won’t like it, so they can go to the West, where they are cherished, supported and should be welcomed with open arms.

Posted by: JB | Dec 27 2023 19:04 utc | 191

In my humble opinion, they are using the current Zionist atrocities as ‘bait’ to lead the world into WW3 and a reset of their own making.
Posted by: canuck | Dec 27 2023 16:25 utc | 163
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The Rothschilds (and some other Big Jews) certainly did lead the way in Palestine.
To me it looks to be pretty well established that this group did always want to obtain Palestine for themselves, and introduce other Jews to be the Jewish monarch’s and aristocracy’s underlings and retainers.
See “Restoration of the Jews,”
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015058342257&seq=997
(posted on a prev. thread)

Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 19:07 utc | 192

There were hundreds of telephone threats and bomb hoaxes to synagogues and Jewish community centres in the US. These were all made by one Jew in Israel.
@Posted by: jayc | Dec 27 2023 18:21 utc | 186
Not necessarily “one Jew”. Seems more likely” “one fall guy”.
The fall guy had to be from Zioland as civilian (potential whistleblowers) NSA contractors and sub-contractors plus multiple foreign intelligence agencies knew nearly from day one the calls were coming from somewhere in Zioland. This hoax went on from January 4, 2017 until March 7, 2017. Trump was inaugurated in late January 2017. You can find MSM articles from that period speculating declaring that MAGA Trumpers were behind the threatening phone calls.
There is some interesting info about the “fall guy”, but good luck confirming all of it. If you own a fall-guy you go cleaning up his visible public record.
He held “dual-citizenshsip” according to the Justice Department.
Also, according to the Justice Department he had made a hoax report to a Macon, Georgia police department (dumb ass) on or before January 3, 2017.
Thus he could be leaned on by Mossad/CIA and made an offer he couldn’t refuse, that is, be the fall guy, or else.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/usisraeli-man-charged-connection-threats-jewish-community-centers-conveying-false-information
There is an interesting article pointing at Mossad (the NSA, etc, would also be complicit), but the source is Philip Giraldi, and I have not found any confirming sources.
https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/mossad-false-flag-attacks-on-jews/

Posted by: librul | Dec 27 2023 19:14 utc | 193

I wonder if there are tunnels that extend substantially outside Gaza into occupied Palestine that
create the opportunity for Oct 7th part 2? Do the Izzies know of these plans/tunnels also?
Posted by: librul | Dec 27 2023 14:06 utc | 147
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I was wondering the same thing. It sure seems likely.
The video on tunnel making that I saw showed Pals digging with hand tools that would escape detection by most listening devices. The Zionists can’t be everywhere . . .

Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 19:21 utc | 194

……. 13:49 Israeli army radio: Casualties as Israeli paratrooper who took part in Gaza battles suffered panic attack and opened fire at colleagues in Ashkelon…..
Lot to unpack here – suffice to say we have observed plenty of spray-and-pray panic friendly fire shootings by IDF since the hostilities began on 2.Oct. It almost appears that the IDF is trained to shoot wildly without the slightest self-discipline
I think friendly fire KIA are now upwards of 550 or so.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 27 2023 19:26 utc | 195

Oh yes. Let’s replace one primitive and savage with another primitive and savage religion, using characteristically primitive and savage methods to do so.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 27 2023 12:07 utc | 128
malenkov you are correct: replacing a repressive religion for another repressive religion makes absolutely no sense. .
Posted by: canuck | Dec 27 2023 16:17 utc | 161
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There are extremist elements and phases in most religions—or, in the societies that have adopted them.
But when you look at the messaging, I’ll stand by my impression (I am not a religious scholar) that Judaism is the least appealing of all “modern” religions I know of, and has little to offer modern humans spiritually or aesthetically. Certainly the least appealing of the three “Abrahamic” religions.
Are any Christian holy days commemorations of battles and genocides?
Are there bloodthirsty passages of the New Testament that I am unaware of? Such as fill the Old Testatment?
Revelation is pretty extreme, but does it call for genocide?
It was probably a big mistake for the Jews to be complicit in the killing of Jesus. But some groups wanted to maintain control over their own. I think Jesus figured this out.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 19:37 utc | 196

Al-Qassem SITREP updated:
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2010197
Claimed 40 IDF KIA in building demo.???? Plus 3 Merkavas in other actions – tally now 134 Merkavas claimed since 2.Oct on all fronts

Posted by: Exile | Dec 27 2023 19:42 utc | 197

Netanyahu knows that he conspired with Muslim Brotherhood to create a pretext for genocide. This has brought the fury of the entire world onto his miserable head. The insults to Hamas sound like desperate copium from man who has escaped prison but has thousands of nooses by every civiised institution in the world round his neck.
I believe he will commit actual suicide now that he realises he is an untouchable in rhe eyes of the entire world.
Politics is make-believe and lies. Whoever embraces it finds it to be a serpent that is alive.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 27 2023 20:03 utc | 198

suzan | Dec 27 2023 17:34 utc | 180 ….
Look up a book called ** The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise **.
(it is on Amazon)
The Jewish sector of population in Spain were certainly not all just harmless innocent victims of Inquisition as is usually made out … there is another, rather different, side to that story …. the Jewish upper strata had run administration, suppression and extortion (against Christians) on behalf of the Islamic invaders / occupiers of much of Spain. That invasion is how a lot of them came to be there in the first place.
A few years ago, some zionists were reportedly claiming that Grenada belongs to them. Presumably seeking undeserved reparations — or more?
It’s documented that some Marranos emigrated to South America during the time of the Spanish empire, whereupon they semi-covertly continued to be “Jewish”.

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 27 2023 20:05 utc | 199

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 27 2023 20:05 utc | 202
And the source for your misinformation is … ?
Did the invaders stay for 600 years? 6-8-10 generations of invaders? Perhaps they had Q 10 coenzyme in their diets too.

Posted by: sal | Dec 27 2023 20:12 utc | 200