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December 26, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-319
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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https://english.almayadeen.net/news/Economy/israeli-tech-firms-startled-by-post-war-chinese-paperwork-lo Posted by: Mastameta | Dec 26 2023 9:49 utc | 1 Reposting this from near the end of the previous Palestine thread since I thought it was worth drawing attention to: Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 26 2023 10:38 utc | 2 @ Mastameta | Dec 26 2023 9:49 utc | 1 Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 26 2023 10:52 utc | 3 Also at Al Mayadeen, I thought this was pretty interesting too: Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 26 2023 11:03 utc | 4 Big tech at least has confidence the occupation will triumph: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 11:17 utc | 5 More on the improvised explosive devices being placed directly under izzraeli tanks by Hamas fighters on foot: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 12:03 utc | 6 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 12:03 utc | 6 Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Dec 26 2023 13:06 utc | 7 Al-Qassem Daily SITREP Posted by: Exile | Dec 26 2023 13:09 utc | 8 Time to boycott Intel and any device that uses Intel chips Posted by: Exile | Dec 26 2023 13:13 utc | 9 @ Exile | Dec 26 2023 13:09 utc | 8 Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 26 2023 13:36 utc | 10 I have yet to see many (any?) videos of Merkavas cooking off, so I suspect that many of the clips showing RPGs hitting IGF tanks are actually the tanks’ “Trophy” systems detonating the RPG warheads before they reach their target. Posted by: Observer | Dec 26 2023 13:42 utc | 11 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 12:03 utc | 6 tawha 10 Posted by: anon | Dec 26 2023 13:55 utc | 13 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 11:17 utc | 5 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2023 14:02 utc | 14 Posted by: Exile | Dec 26 2023 13:13 utc | 9 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2023 14:05 utc | 15 Re: Merkavas Posted by: Exile | Dec 26 2023 14:26 utc | 16 Well am just about dealing with hangover and serious 5 hours of feasting around a table with nearest and dearest. No party hats, crackers or dumb songs. Just a few of us grateful to be with each other and a few days of prepping. Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 26 2023 14:27 utc | 17 Sitting in a bunker with your rpg waiting to shoot an Israeli while your friends and neighbors get obliterated by bombs is not heroic, it is homicidal. The Axis of resistance has demonstrated they are not going to do anything effective to help the Gazans. We see 0 evidence of the population aiding Hamas. No mass mobilization of the population to resist. No barricades impeding IDF movement. A passive population waiting for Hamas to be eliminated. Posted by: Zargo | Dec 26 2023 14:31 utc | 18 Zargo | Dec 26 2023 14:31 utc | 18 Posted by: Cynic | Dec 26 2023 14:41 utc | 19 Please note the current round of hostilities began on 2.Oct with the attack on the worshippers on the Al-Asqa Mosque. Posted by: Exile | Dec 26 2023 15:16 utc | 20 the reason for the tunnels is because they live in a prison.. simple as that… Posted by: james | Dec 26 2023 15:29 utc | 21 @20 Posted by: J99 | Dec 26 2023 15:30 utc | 22 Sitting in a bunker with your rpg waiting to shoot an Israeli while your friends and neighbors get obliterated by bombs is not heroic, it is homicidal. … Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 15:48 utc | 23 Posted by: g | Dec 26 2023 15:09 utc | 20 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 15:49 utc | 24 You can keep using your intel-powered devices (the chips have already been sold, and accounted for in the stock market). Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 16:01 utc | 25 What about the….. Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 26 2023 16:02 utc | 26 Posted by: Zargo | Dec 26 2023 14:31 utc | 18 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2023 16:02 utc | 27 Sitting in a bunker with your rpg waiting to shoot an Israeli while your friends and neighbors get obliterated by bombs is not heroic, it is homicidal. … Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 26 2023 16:10 utc | 28 Israeli factories in occupied Palestine have had trouble importing Chinese-made dual-purpose (civil-military) equipment, due to forms and paperwork. Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 26 2023 16:19 utc | 29 OT- My internet provider has been blocking this site for nearly 24hrs. The only way I can access it now is thru my cell provider. Posted by: Philo67 | Dec 26 2023 16:29 utc | 30 indian punchline from today Posted by: james | Dec 26 2023 16:35 utc | 31 It’s a pity that the Chinese authorities haven’t halted all exports to Israel by now. Posted by: Honzo | Dec 26 2023 16:47 utc | 32 the civilians population is just cannon fodder to be slaughtered. Posted by: Mary | Dec 26 2023 16:51 utc | 33 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGtTJ5bP-FU Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 26 2023 16:51 utc | 34 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 11:17 utc | 5 Posted by: Honzo | Dec 26 2023 16:53 utc | 35 but Intel does have to build chip factories somewhere that is not Taiwan. Posted by: Jane | Dec 26 2023 17:02 utc | 36 Posted by: Jane | Dec 26 2023 17:02 utc | 36 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2023 17:19 utc | 37 Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 16:01 utc | 26 Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Dec 26 2023 17:34 utc | 38 I dont know how many of the readers here would know of an Entertainment Industrial Complex apparatchik by the name of Stephen Fry? Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 26 2023 17:43 utc | 39 @31 Posted by: Ronnie James | Dec 26 2023 17:44 utc | 40 Netanyahu ‘working’ on ethnic removal of Palestinians from Gaza Posted by: jayc | Dec 26 2023 18:19 utc | 41 From the news I hear Egypt is floating a new cease fire resolution; about how to manage Gaza, and the West bank. And other countries are still talking about the “Two State Solution.” I think all these third party actors around the conflict don’t get it. Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Dec 26 2023 18:19 utc | 42 Back in the Eighties we had real political awareness – some of it is beginning to regenerate. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2023 18:23 utc | 43 Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Dec 26 2023 17:34 utc | 38
ARM is indeed a RISC model and the implications of that are interesting:
– ARM (as RISC) is a generic computing architecture. It *should* be capable of running anything Turing-complete. So in that sense it should be as much the “be all” of computing processors as anything else out there – from an architecture point of view.
It’s hard to limit ARM’s RISC devices to “specific things”, it is after all a generic computing architecture. It already dominates the mobile market which is already the new “desktop” market. That implies generic application across a wide range of uses from video streaming, networking, audio, gaming, whatever …
I would say yes. I suspect Masayoshi Son’s stewardship of the technology has both been the reason for it’s explosive rise and for it’s lack of complete dominance …
The RISC-V standard is open. It provides the standardized design for an open source instruction set. It provides a minimum standard instruction set. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 18:31 utc | 44 wsj, Benjamin Netanyahu: Our Three Prerequisites for Peace, Dec 25
simile suicide
Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 26 2023 18:33 utc | 45 IIRC & AFAIK, PC enthusiasts have a track record of establishing the origin of chips. Worst case scenario, the ones from Israel would get lumped in with others from other plants, but it would be known what generation and proces node they were. So even if that was all that was known, you could just boycott the (I’m making this part up) 12000 series chips, made on the three nanometer process node. Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 26 2023 18:45 utc | 46 Posted by: Zargo | Dec 26 2023 14:31 utc | 18 Posted by: Blissex | Dec 26 2023 18:57 utc | 47 Gee Eye Joe@41….Deziofication of Occupied Palestine will be a slow process. Time is not on the Mammonites side, the shekel tide will be parted…. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 26 2023 19:10 utc | 48 I think what is going on in Israel is a manifestation of a civil war reified and externalized as a genocidal siege on Gazan Palestinians. But the first assault was Israel effectively attacking itself on Oct 7 through the passive (or active) instrumentalization of Hamas proxies. If I’d been an Israeli tank commander on the Gaza border on Oct 7 I’d have been not only concerned about enemies coming from the Gaza the side but about enemy cliques within in the Israeli military upper echelons, who could likely not be trusted on such a day or the days following. Negligence alone seems extremely difficult a reason to account for 0ct 7, rather it seems IDF set itself up, circuitously attacked itself, perhaps ostensibly in order to channel a looming civil war outward into the externalizing destruction of Gaza, but if there’s any validity to my speculation those who directly or more likely indirectly let the IDF be attacked on Oct 7 are still in charge of that same henhouse. Posted by: Ludo | Dec 26 2023 19:43 utc | 49 Sin2002 44 Posted by: Giyane | Dec 26 2023 20:04 utc | 50 Some of the popular theologians of our age have signed on to support the occupation and their barbarism. This is not Christian behavior! True Christians have their own beliefs and soundly reject the atrocities we are witnessing: https://folkpotpourri.com/beware-the-great-brood-of-vipers/ Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Dec 26 2023 20:19 utc | 51 What rape? Aaron Maté exposing the unsubstantiated allegations of Palestinians raping: Posted by: Menz | Dec 26 2023 20:27 utc | 52 Re: IDF divided against itself Posted by: Exile | Dec 26 2023 20:27 utc | 53 Does the US admin and many of the population care? Posted by: Menz | Dec 26 2023 20:43 utc | 54 Note the Yassin-105 anti-tank missile is a 2 stage round specifically designed to overcome the ‚active‘ armor of the Merkava. The Yassin-105 is locally designed and produced in the deep underground workshops Posted by: Satepestage | Dec 26 2023 20:46 utc | 55 The Intel factory in Israel story must be something else. It’s just money moving around. US is already replacing Taiwan with factories inside US and they even put others to pay for it, like the SK slaves. No need for Intel in Israel. The same strange factory story is in Ukr, a few weapons manufacturers announced factories there in 1-2-3 years. That is US, Germany and Turkey, so far. If it’s not money laundering it could be a simple plan to bring troops pretending to protect their investments. Since Russia doesn’t want 70% of Ukr, doesn’t even dare to hit that 70% with one of their little slingshot drones, Vicky won’t say no to such a gift. But that’s for the future, in the present time nato pretending to be Ukr has to start bombing Donbass and Zap. from Romania like Bibi does to Syria from foreign airspace. They won’t do it from Poland. Poles may be stupid but they’re not that stupid to volunteer as next kamikaze and let a million ukros f their wives while they die for Zely in their place. But very few ukros are in Romania (no one wants to live there), they’re already brainwashed, poor and fanatic although much less than Baltics, Orthodoxism partially dissolved into various cults, sects and Catholic, neo-nazis well organized since the 90s, so they are the most likely to go in next. Posted by: rk | Dec 26 2023 20:48 utc | 56 ZH has a posting up wihjt the title
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 26 2023 20:58 utc | 57 The Yassin – 105 has a Tadem warhead – read
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasin_(RPG) Posted by: Exile | Dec 26 2023 20:59 utc | 58 ZH has a posting up with the title
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 26 2023 21:02 utc | 59 Via sitrepworld.info
No need to nuke Tel Aviv or Haifa. One of the world’s biggest chemical plants is located right in the urban area, put there away back when the land was well outside the urban area. A few neat hits on those installations will make Bhopal look like a modest mishap. Bhopal resulted in over 500,000 poisoned and dead. Go figure… Posted by: RJPJR | Dec 26 2023 22:11 utc | 61 @ no. 44 re MSM lies and propaganda from WSJ etc Posted by: botete | Dec 26 2023 22:12 utc | 62 @ no. 44 re MSM lies and propaganda from WSJ etc Posted by: botete | Dec 26 2023 22:12 utc | 63 Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 26 2023 18:33 utc | 44 Posted by: RJPJR | Dec 26 2023 22:27 utc | 64 RJPJR 60 Posted by: Giyane | Dec 26 2023 22:52 utc | 65 * For many palestinian arabs that is good result even if today’s palestinian arabs are sacrificed to the rage of palestinian jews, because it will make more likely that then when another Saladdin happens, whether in 100 or 200 years, all the palestinian jews will be cleanly pushed out of Palestine. Posted by: Jane | Dec 26 2023 23:27 utc | 66 . . . Once Hamas is destroyed, Gaza is demilitarized, and Palestinian society begins a deradicalization process, Gaza can be rebuilt and the prospects of a broader peace in the Middle East will become a reality. Posted by: Jane | Dec 26 2023 23:47 utc | 67 Crosses fingers for HTML tag Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Dec 26 2023 23:48 utc | 68 @ 51,”The Nation’s @KathaPollitt Posted by: Jane | Dec 26 2023 23:54 utc | 69 ‘Once Hamas is destroyed, Gaza is demilitarized, and Palestinian society begins a deradicalization process, Gaza can be rebuilt and the prospects of a broader peace in the Middle East will become a reality.’ Posted by: Ray | Dec 27 2023 0:04 utc | 70 Incredible combat video of a HAMAS man taking out a zionazi Merkava with a hand carried bomb: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 27 2023 0:15 utc | 71 Quds News Network Posted by: Menz | Dec 27 2023 0:47 utc | 72 The Vice President of Johnson & Johnson, says he believes that killing everyone in Gaza is a “necessity”. Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 1:18 utc | 73 RJPJR @60…..dude, great idea, just go full fucking Ukie on the Zio bastards. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 27 2023 1:25 utc | 74 I see the crazies are out in force on the MOA hate website. Nuke this nuke that. Sick MFers all. Posted by: Realist | Dec 27 2023 1:28 utc | 75 Re: Dun Groanin and the Israelis’ involvement w/ Pinochet. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 1:31 utc | 76 Sorry, unpaywalled Haaretz article I linked above. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 1:32 utc | 77 Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 1:18 utc | 71 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 1:34 utc | 78 Thanks sln2002 for uploading this Netanyahu’s steaming pile of b.s. for us to deconstruct:
One cannot equate Hamas, which is a resistance organization with shit-for-tools and religious discipline, with the industrial powerhouses that was Imperial Japan and NAZI Germany. The latter had massive amounts of armaments and and agenda for regional –if not worldwide– conquest. Posted by: CrazyTrain | Dec 27 2023 1:48 utc | 79 A rundown of Israel’s intentional targeting and laying siege to hospitals in Gaza. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 1:53 utc | 80 but Intel does have to build chip factories somewhere that is not Taiwan. Posted by: daffyDuct | Dec 27 2023 1:56 utc | 81 Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 26 2023 17:43 utc | 39 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Dec 27 2023 2:01 utc | 82 @Arch Bungle re: China Chips Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Dec 27 2023 2:09 utc | 83 @ DunGroanin | Dec 26 2023 17:43 utc | 39 Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 27 2023 2:20 utc | 84 https://twitter.com/sayedalijaffery/status/1739284636902035483 Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 2:50 utc | 85 “Maldonado states that God has protected Israel for millennia, and He won’t change His mind now. Logic? If God has protected “Israel” for millennia, how come the constant victim narrative?” Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 27 2023 3:07 utc | 86 Re Maldonado, in the first Tweit he quoted Samuel 15:3: Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 3:07 utc | 87 From the photo, Maldonado looks like the village idiot. Should one be alarmed that this dolt is a top manager of a major international drug and medical supply company? I think so! Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 27 2023 3:47 utc | 88 What a primitive, savage religion. We must get these people out of any seats of power. Perhaps the Inquisition was right to force them to convert to Christianitiy, “or else” … Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 27 2023 3:55 utc | 89 This may be a dumb question. Posted by: Laura Roslin | Dec 27 2023 4:02 utc | 90 Posted by: Laura Roslin | Dec 27 2023 4:02 utc | 87 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 4:23 utc | 91 Posted by: Laura Roslin | Dec 27 2023 4:02 utc | 87 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 4:32 utc | 92 Posted by: g | Dec 27 2023 4:27 utc | 89
In fact the era of American hegemony – with Israel as the tip of the spear or “land based aircraft carrier in the ME” – has always been characterized by constant war. As policy, and not accident.
IOW, the US (and Israel) perpetually seek to generate and prolong chaos and war in the Middle East and elsewhere, as a matter of intentional policy. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 4:36 utc | 93 Re Maldonado, in the first Tweit he quoted Samuel 15:3: Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 27 2023 4:36 utc | 94 Does anyone honestly expect us to believe that the Zionist Movement ever had the intention of coexisting on equal terms with the majority native population? Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 27 2023 4:38 utc | 95 Self proclaimed atheist? Or does that only apply to religions other than jewish? Posted by: Menz | Dec 27 2023 4:41 utc | 96 Does anyone honestly expect us to believe that the Zionist Movement ever had the intention of coexisting on equal terms with the majority native population? Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 4:42 utc | 97 Plenty of evidence that extremist Zionists attacked Hewish residents of Arab countries to force them to move to Israel. Lots of research on the topic. Posted by: Exile | Dec 27 2023 5:07 utc | 98 as hamas is slowly phased out of existence the world will come to appreciate what israel has done.. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 5:23 utc | 99 Posted by: Exile | Dec 27 2023 5:07 utc | 96
I leave the attacks on Iraqi Jews as an exercise to the reader. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 5:28 utc | 100 |
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