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December 26, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-319

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https://english.almayadeen.net/news/Economy/israeli-tech-firms-startled-by-post-war-chinese-paperwork-lo
Israeli factories in occupied Palestine have had trouble importing Chinese-made dual-purpose (civil-military) equipment, due to forms and paperwork.
in effect, an unannounced procedural sanction

Posted by: Mastameta | Dec 26 2023 9:49 utc | 1

Reposting this from near the end of the previous Palestine thread since I thought it was worth drawing attention to:
This is a video made by Richard Medhurst, apparently recorded on 19 December, analysing IOF casualty figures. It includes clips from videos released by Al-Qassam Brigades and Al-Quds Brigades.
https://rumble.com/v42itbx-hamas-fighting-videos.html

Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 26 2023 10:38 utc | 2

@ Mastameta | Dec 26 2023 9:49 utc | 1
Thanks for posting the link. I had seen brief reference to this elsewhere, but this helped fill in some of the details.
It’s a pity that the Chinese authorities haven’t halted all exports to Israel by now.

Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 26 2023 10:52 utc | 3

Also at Al Mayadeen, I thought this was pretty interesting too:
Israeli war budget falls $20bln short, spurs closure of 10 ministries

Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 26 2023 11:03 utc | 4

Big tech at least has confidence the occupation will triumph:
JERUSALEM, Dec 26 (Reuters) – Israel’s government agreed to give Intel Corp (INTC.O) a $3.2 billion grant for new $25 billion chip plant it plans to build in southern Israel, both sides said on Tuesday, in what is the largest investment ever by a company in Israel.
The news comes as Israel remains locked in a war with Palestinian militant group Hamas in the wake of the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on Israel and is a big show of support by a major U.S. company and a generous offer by Israel’s government at a time when Washington has increased pressure on Israel to take further steps to minimise civilian harm in Gaza.
Not sure if this sacrifice to mammon is mere obligatory kowtowing to their Zionist masters, but I suppose time will tell.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 11:17 utc | 5

More on the improvised explosive devices being placed directly under izzraeli tanks by Hamas fighters on foot:
https://youtu.be/rCkOnTeBezM?si=uz4z3TWbFV6G36vl
Not sure if the fighter made it out alive, the explosion is huge.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 12:03 utc | 6

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 12:03 utc | 6
I watched that a few times and I’m sure he got away, the video shakes just after the explosion and you get a very brief image of him running away from the tank.
I’m finding loads of videos online of hamas attacks, the IDF is taking some beating by these brave warriors .

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Dec 26 2023 13:06 utc | 7

Al-Qassem Daily SITREP
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2008877
Comment – Merkava‘s tally now 131 knocked out since start of hostilities on 2.Oct. First video worth watching – video explains why Likud is talking ceasefire pretty pluz.
Continued attacks on IDF positions outside the Gaza wire. Tone is I-love-the-smell-of-victory-in-the-morning.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 26 2023 13:09 utc | 8

Time to boycott Intel and any device that uses Intel chips

Posted by: Exile | Dec 26 2023 13:13 utc | 9

@ Exile | Dec 26 2023 13:09 utc | 8
I’ve watched a lot of these Al-Qassam Brigades videos in the last few days, and as Richard Medhurst said in his video, there is no way that the casualty numbers announced by the IOF are even vaguely close to reality. If they’ve admitted to 160 KIA, you would have a pretty safe bet on the actual number being about 10 times that.

Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 26 2023 13:36 utc | 10

I have yet to see many (any?) videos of Merkavas cooking off, so I suspect that many of the clips showing RPGs hitting IGF tanks are actually the tanks’ “Trophy” systems detonating the RPG warheads before they reach their target.
Yes, tanks are getting damaged – we’ve all seen the videos of them being towed back for repair – and the Hamas fighters have balls the size of boulders – but I don’t think the evidence is clear that the IGF are getting hammered in Gaza.
Using weaponry supplied by the US, the IGF will just keep flattening buildings until the Gazans quite literally have nowhere left to live. Throw in disease, starvation, lack of potable water and we’re witnessing either the beginnings of Nackba II or a full-blown genocide.
Which will come as no surprise to anyone familiar with the Old Testament, which – amongst other things – is an ethnic cleansing manual.
Hamas’ 7 Oct attack has given Netanyahu and Co. the ultimate pretext to wipe out Gaza. Given that Israel funded the nascent Hamas back in the ’80s, and (according to Haaretz) in 2019 Bibi was telling people that anyone who wanted to thwart the creation of a Palestinian state should support Hamas, the obvious question becomes: is Hamas actually an arm of the Likud party?

Posted by: Observer | Dec 26 2023 13:42 utc | 11

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 12:03 utc | 6
“I watched that a few times and I’m sure he got away, the video shakes just after the explosion and you get a very brief image of him running away from the tank.
I’m finding loads of videos online of hamas attacks, the IDF is taking some beating by these brave warriors .”
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Dec 26 2023 13:06 utc | 7
This bravery reminds me of an incident early in the Vietnam war-1964 (1). An American military helicopter comes back from a reconnaissance mission with an actual arrow stuck in its fuselage-no damage. The CIA agent attending smirks, ” How are the Viet Kong gonna win a war with weapons like this?”
The attending Colonel thinks for a moment, then thoughtfully replies, “With guts like that how can they lose?”
History provided us with the answer.
1. I believe I read about this encounter in Michael Herr’s 1977 book, “Dispatches”.. I highly recommend it. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/mar/28/100-best-nonfiction-books-of-all-time-no-9-dispatches-michael-herr-vietnam-war-apocalypse-now

Posted by: canuck | Dec 26 2023 13:50 utc | 12

tawha 10
These crazy f*****s must have balls of steel.
80 days of fighting and they’re still dishing it out hard.
One sign our Zionist chums may have bitten off more than they can chew is their claim that there are 1,000 kilometres of tunnels in Gaza, not 500.
But I don’t know if they’re counting all the hospital lift shafts in that 1,000.

Posted by: anon | Dec 26 2023 13:55 utc | 13

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 11:17 utc | 5
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That smacks of Ukraine cutting agricultural deals with Blackrock in territory the Russians have liberated.
PR for the sake of PR.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2023 14:02 utc | 14

Posted by: Exile | Dec 26 2023 13:13 utc | 9
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I don’t think I am particularly clever but boycotts are often so poorly done.
You can keep using your intel-powered devices (the chips have already been sold, and accounted for in the stock market).
One should do as much brand slander as possible. It seems easy. Tie all of these companies to the ongoing genocide of children. Bleed them out in the PR war. Most of their “value” is on paper, which makes them very susceptible to a reputation campaign.
Draw hard lines and demoralize their workers.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2023 14:05 utc | 15

Re: Merkavas
The Arabs have been diligent with defining their strikes on Merkavas as being hit or destroyed. If one tallies only the claimed hits its way over 250 Merkavas hit.
Note the Yassin-105 anti-tank missile is a 2 stage round specifically designed to overcome the ‚active‘ armor of the Merkava. The Yassin-105 is locally designed and produced in the deep underground workshops
Re: IDF casualties ?
What should strike anyone watching the Al-Qassem combat videos is the utter obliviousness of the IDF conscripts and weekend warriors. They fail to observe the most basic rules of fighting – don‘t bunch up, eyes everywhere, perimeter patrol, don’t stand gawking from a big picture window, and so forth.
Some Hamas political leader claimed a couple of days again 1,600 IDF KIA plus another 3,400 WIA. This seems closer to reality

Posted by: Exile | Dec 26 2023 14:26 utc | 16

Well am just about dealing with hangover and serious 5 hours of feasting around a table with nearest and dearest. No party hats, crackers or dumb songs. Just a few of us grateful to be with each other and a few days of prepping.
We remembered the Palestine.
The wretched Zionazis rounding up people and stripping them in a stadium – channeling directly what happened in Pinochet Chile on 9/11 – the original. 
There are many young kids stripped , hands on head and even a baby! The father of whom has been looking after it single handed after the mother was killed by the illegal apartheid entities stormtroopers and blitzkrieg.
It turns out the Zionazis were directly involved in these times in the early 70’s! As revealed by the latest FOI docs! We have direct evidence now to call a spade a spade. 
The illegal apartheid state formed immediately after the defeat of proxy Nazi Germans at the hands of the Red Army, seemed to have inherited more than a little of the brutal nazism they supposedly ‘survived’ ; it has supported Fascism , Nazism , xenophobia ever since as the vanguard of the zombiifying Holy Roman Empire that they have constantly shapeshifted through.
Israelis = Fascist supremacist.
J’accuse!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 26 2023 14:27 utc | 17

Sitting in a bunker with your rpg waiting to shoot an Israeli while your friends and neighbors get obliterated by bombs is not heroic, it is homicidal. The Axis of resistance has demonstrated they are not going to do anything effective to help the Gazans. We see 0 evidence of the population aiding Hamas. No mass mobilization of the population to resist. No barricades impeding IDF movement. A passive population waiting for Hamas to be eliminated.
The courageous act would be to acknowledge failure, surrender and end the fighting.
But like the jihadist in Grozny, Mosul and Aleppo the civilians population is just cannon fodder to be slaughtered.

Posted by: Zargo | Dec 26 2023 14:31 utc | 18

Zargo | Dec 26 2023 14:31 utc | 18
*** Sitting in a bunker with your rpg waiting to shoot an Israeli while your friends and neighbors get obliterated by bombs is not heroic, it is homicidal. ***
What a perverted piece of logic.
Any sane person would spot that those who drop the bombs are the homicidal maniacs.
is it allegedly “antisemitic” to have noticed?

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 26 2023 14:41 utc | 19

Please note the current round of hostilities began on 2.Oct with the attack on the worshippers on the Al-Asqa Mosque.
2.Oct

Posted by: Exile | Dec 26 2023 15:16 utc | 20

the reason for the tunnels is because they live in a prison.. simple as that…

Posted by: james | Dec 26 2023 15:29 utc | 21

@20
Spare a nuke or two for NY guys.
And another dozen for the west coast.
And maybe a 100 more for the centre.

Posted by: J99 | Dec 26 2023 15:30 utc | 22

Sitting in a bunker with your rpg waiting to shoot an Israeli while your friends and neighbors get obliterated by bombs is not heroic, it is homicidal. …
Posted by: Zargo | Dec 26 2023 14:31 utc | 18
Stopped reading right there. More of the famous “Day Is Night, Night is Day” Jewish Zionist dipshittery we all know and love …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 15:48 utc | 23

Posted by: g | Dec 26 2023 15:09 utc | 20
Need to tune your ChatGPT parameters g-boy, you’re sounding more scrambled than normal. Egg nog?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 15:49 utc | 24

You can keep using your intel-powered devices (the chips have already been sold, and accounted for in the stock market).
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2023 14:05 utc | 15
Thankfully, for those willing to make the jump, ARM servers have just gone mainstream, for cloud, heavy compute workloads. They’ve already got the rest of the market stitched up as well.
Yes, it’s still not “Empire Free (TM)”, but once business makes a massive move to ARM the Intel (and AMD) monopoly on server compute will be busted and the path opened to adopting other competing non-US platforms like OpenRISC-5 …
Here I think the US’ ailing embargo on Chinese use of Western Server chips could be very helpful if the Chinese are able to accelerate their delivery of alternative server chips and architectures …
Godspeed to the Americans in the their anti-China chip crusade!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 16:01 utc | 25

What about the…..
‘Jewish insanity claus’
Do we beleave in him/it
Ho ho ho.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 26 2023 16:02 utc | 26

Posted by: Zargo | Dec 26 2023 14:31 utc | 18
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Martyrdom is the highest achievement for a Muslim. It should be for Christians as well, but they are mostly cucks these days who eat bacon and live through credit (Jesus never lifted the dietary or financial expectations from God).
If Israelis don’t want to get shot, leave Gaza, or better yet, leave all of Occupied Palestine.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2023 16:02 utc | 27

Sitting in a bunker with your rpg waiting to shoot an Israeli while your friends and neighbors get obliterated by bombs is not heroic, it is homicidal. …
Posted by: Zargo | Dec 26 2023 14:31 utc | 18
What is overlooked here is that the “friends and neighbors” were in a process of being obliterated before any of this began. It was a gradual takeover. What Hamas did was to make it faster and more brutal, and along the way, giving the atrocities global attention.
They got through the original ethnic cleansing when Israel was formed without moral condemnation because they were coming off the Nazi atrocities. It got little attention at the time. This current business is going to permanently eliminate the sniff-sniff feel sorry for me line that has been giving them moral cover. It feels to me like a perfect storm of moral disgrace that may well it time terminate Israel as a country. If events spin out of control, the amount of time will not be very long.

Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 26 2023 16:10 utc | 28

Israeli factories in occupied Palestine have had trouble importing Chinese-made dual-purpose (civil-military) equipment, due to forms and paperwork.
in effect, an unannounced procedural sanction
Posted by: Mastameta | Dec 26 2023 9:49 utc | 1
Sounds to me like the Chinese way. They are not given to the kind of bluntness that is more common in the political West.

Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 26 2023 16:19 utc | 29

OT- My internet provider has been blocking this site for nearly 24hrs. The only way I can access it now is thru my cell provider.

Posted by: Philo67 | Dec 26 2023 16:29 utc | 30

indian punchline from today
India’s turnaround on Palestine has more than meets the eye
as for the thought of hamas being defined as a ‘terrorist organization’, i happened to see they labeled the PLO the same way many years ago… people who are stupid enough to believe this open attempt at brainwashing, typically fall for this bullshit…some of us however – don’t… when they define the cia and friends as terrorist organizations, i will start paying attention.. until that happens, i ignore the propaganda bullshit..

Posted by: james | Dec 26 2023 16:35 utc | 31

It’s a pity that the Chinese authorities haven’t halted all exports to Israel by now.
Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 26 2023 10:52 utc | 3
The thing about sanctions is they don’t really work. The US will continue to backstop Israel in all ways that it can- dual-use technology, probably chips, is an area where they US capability may be lacking. There’s no point in China sanctioning anything the US can provide. If China stops all exports to Israel now, the impact will be small, and whatever slight leverage the prospect of more sanctions might have will be gone.

Posted by: Honzo | Dec 26 2023 16:47 utc | 32

the civilians population is just cannon fodder to be slaughtered.
Posted by: Zargo | Dec 26 2023 14:31 utc | 18
Last time I looked, it was the Israelis, armed by my shithole of a God-forsaken country, slaughtering the civilians.
All the Zionists have to do is knock it off, go back to wherever the fuck their homes are, & quit being genocidal maniacs.
One brief tour of their bible, not to mention their behavior in the recent 1.23 centuries & it becomes self evident why nobody wants them in their neighborhood.
Maybe they could migrate to antarctica.

Posted by: Mary | Dec 26 2023 16:51 utc | 33

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGtTJ5bP-FU
A surprising remark from ex-IDF.

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 26 2023 16:51 utc | 34

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 11:17 utc | 5
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That smacks of Ukraine cutting agricultural deals with Blackrock in territory the Russians have liberated.
PR for the sake of PR.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2023 14:02 utc | 14
Exactly, but with extra spice- Intel pockets 3.5 billion of US taxpayer money in return for maybe later putting 22 billion into the Israeli economy. I doubt that factory will ever be built, but Intel does have to build chip factories somewhere that is not Taiwan.

Posted by: Honzo | Dec 26 2023 16:53 utc | 35

but Intel does have to build chip factories somewhere that is not Taiwan.
Posted by: Honzo | Dec 26 2023 16:53 utc | 35
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Er, how about in the United States.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 26 2023 17:02 utc | 36

Posted by: Jane | Dec 26 2023 17:02 utc | 36
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I can hear Trump right now …
“If I was President, I would make Intel build every factory in America!”
“If I was President, I would end the war in Ukraine with one phone call to Putin!”
“If I was President, I would launch a mission to Mars!”
No one in power in America cares about doing anything for Americans. It’s the same all over the West. No one in the French, British, German, or Italian governments cares about the constituents.
It’s only the Global South and the Axis of Resistance where any manner of responsive government exists. Ironically, the autocracies do a better job for their people than the so-called enlightenment democrats.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2023 17:19 utc | 37

Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 16:01 utc | 26
ARCH; relative Old Fart Ludite here. Is it true that:
ARM is RISC (reduced instruction set computing) and are not do-all, be-all of computing processors. Great for some specific things but lots of tasks not so well adapted to or optimal for. ???
ARM popularity now – it has been around for quite some time actually – no?) has more to do with who owns, than what it can do… RISC-V is sort of open source instruction set, no?
Thanks for any enlightenment you can offer

Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Dec 26 2023 17:34 utc | 38

I dont know how many of the readers here would know of an Entertainment Industrial Complex apparatchik by the name of Stephen Fry?
Some grand ‘dame’ of BBC and dumb boy wizard fairy tales actor and ‘comedian’. He did some funny acting in scripted cultural hegemony shows and has been an oxbridge idiot since his youth. Destined for stardom.
He has been rumoured to have been involved in scandals which have been covered up.
Any how, this Xmas he made an alternative Christmas Broadcast to the nation as has become style of the controlled opposition narrative game keepers on British TV and radio.
He claimed to be speaking for all folks from a Judaism background and in support of the illegal Apartheid entity and its war crimes against Palestinian men,women and especially children. And I heard he ‘really’ likes men and boys…ahem.
He completely overlooks that genocide and all the egregious behaviour of the illegal settlers in the Levant – boy they must have a lot of sordid shit on him!
Any double how – here is a true socialist comedian from the same era -1980’s – Alexis Sayle , a firebrand comedy persona in his day, being driven to make an Alternative , Alternative Christmas Broadcast to the British Peoples – without calling Fry by his name or even a complete and utter c**t , that Fry doesn’t even bother hiding that he is.
“They lie. And they lie, and they lie

They lie. And they lie, and they lie
.
They lie. And they lie, and they lie
..
“
https://piped.video/watch?v=3ZTzsWDtm_
Short and sweet and right bang between the eyes – go on my son, Alexis.
Back in the Eighties we had real political awareness – some of it is beginning to regenerate.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 26 2023 17:43 utc | 39

@31
Who is your current internet provider? Nothing wrong in outing political actions from a public utility. Also these companies will never cop to this crap unless you call it out.
I had seen this failure for the aljazeera.com website.
Peace in the new year. Can’t come fast enough.

Posted by: Ronnie James | Dec 26 2023 17:44 utc | 40

Netanyahu ‘working’ on ethnic removal of Palestinians from Gaza
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Monday that he is actively working to ethnically transfer Palestinians out of Gaza in a Likud party meeting, the Israeli daily Israel Hayom reported. 
“Our problem is countries that are ready to absorb them and we are working on it,” Netanyahu said. “The world is already discussing the possibilities of voluntary immigration,” said Netanyahu, adding that a team must be established and “ensure that those who want to leave Gaza to a third country can do so. It needs to be settled. It has strategic importance for the day after the war.”
The US, EU and Middle East countries in particular have rejected a forced ethnic cleansing of Gaza. But the Israeli military strategy increasingly seems to be that by making Gaza uninhabitable by destroying anything that sustains life, Palestinians will then “voluntarily” leave. 
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/israeli-prime-minister-working-ethnic-removal-palestinians-gaza
Another direct confession to planning and facilitating the ”supreme crime” of genocide. What is a little different this time is the Israeli media is also beginning to run reports that the IDF is nowhere close to achieving the stated war aims, and that even the goal of assassinating the Hamas leadership could take years. In other words, the stated war aims – repeatedly articulated by Israeli leadership and also by its American sponsors – are not achievable in the near term, or even necessarily in the medium or long term. Which underscores the genocidal intent on the ongoing slaughter of the civilian population. In these circumstances, any and all resistance to Israel and the United States is legally justified, not least because of the efforts of the latter state to prevent humanitarian assistance within the rubric of a ceasefire.

Posted by: jayc | Dec 26 2023 18:19 utc | 41

From the news I hear Egypt is floating a new cease fire resolution; about how to manage Gaza, and the West bank. And other countries are still talking about the “Two State Solution.” I think all these third party actors around the conflict don’t get it.
One thing that I believe the two main actors in the conflict, Hamas and Israel, both agree on, is having a “One State Solution.” The only contention between them is what kind of State is this future “One State” going to be? The “Zionist” solution entails a “Jew only” country, which the current Israeli government along with the U.S. government are currently trying to implement. The Hamas solution entails an “Islamic State” where all good Muslims, Jews, Christians, and other good people can live in Peace. So, the question before us is what is more humane, and what should rightfully disappear? I believe when all them third party actors instead of impressing their basically nonsensical “Two State Solution” ideas upon the parties of contention, and address the core issue that started this conflict in the first place will Peace be able to transpire.

Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Dec 26 2023 18:19 utc | 42

Back in the Eighties we had real political awareness – some of it is beginning to regenerate.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 26 2023 17:43 utc | 39
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Is the new awareness going to be as impotent and useless as it was in the 80s?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 26 2023 18:23 utc | 43

Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Dec 26 2023 17:34 utc | 38
(Not to go too far off topic, but merely to illustrate the viability of alternative technologies as a threat to the Izzraeli influence racket):

ARM is RISC (reduced instruction set computing)

ARM is indeed a RISC model and the implications of that are interesting:
– ARM (as RISC) trades instruction complexity in the silicon for complexity in software by offering simpler instructions and instructions that only execute one per clock cycle.
– Since the silicon is simpler, it’s more power efficient for simple software operations, easier to develop stable applications for.
– Since it trades hardware complexity for software complexity it democratizes the microchip: Anyone can write software, even complex software, and some can build simple ARM chips but very few can fabricate complex Intelx86 chips.
– Another implication of RISC simplicity is that it provides a “clean slate” free of legacy x86 crap which can now be supplemented by CISC operations (“virtual CISC” via on-chip microcode) … So this can be added by less advanced manufacturers over time as their capabilities develop eventually reaching a degree of parity with what Intel produces, but doing so with the benefit of watching Intel make mistakes over the years …
– Eventually ARM’s RISC might have so many CISC features added that the term will become meaningless …

and are not do-all, be-all of computing processors.

– ARM (as RISC) is a generic computing architecture. It *should* be capable of running anything Turing-complete. So in that sense it should be as much the “be all” of computing processors as anything else out there – from an architecture point of view.
– However if you’re talking about specific features CISC processors from Intel provide, proprietary extensions for A.I, Data Analytics, Virtualization, Security then current ARM RISC cpus may not have reached feature parity with Intel’s/AMD’s offerings.
However, that’s not due to a limitation in the model it’s probably due to the fact that demand has not yet driven the requirement.: ARM RISC dominates on mobile and is only now beginning to see server workloads in a big way.

Great for some specific things but lots of tasks not so well adapted to or optimal for. ???

It’s hard to limit ARM’s RISC devices to “specific things”, it is after all a generic computing architecture. It already dominates the mobile market which is already the new “desktop” market. That implies generic application across a wide range of uses from video streaming, networking, audio, gaming, whatever …
Moreover, because ARM’s RISC is “starting off clean” optimizations and adjustments to the architecture and silicon can be rapidly (iteratively) made compare to Intel’s stuff. There’s very little RISC is restricted from doing if the market demand drives it.
If there are enterprise applications it’s not well adapted to it’s due to specific features software vendors are expecting which they’ve depended on in Intel’s CISC devices. In these cases, with the advent of mainstream ARM Servers you should begin to see features reserved for CISC start showing up in ARM’s RISC computers, like this:

ARM architecture servers, represented by Ampere and NVIDIA, rival x86 counterparts through increased core counts and energy efficiency.

Blurb:


ARM architecture servers, represented by Ampere and NVIDIA, rival x86 counterparts through increased core counts and energy efficiency.
Ampere Altra Max CPUs boast up to 128 cores and 128 PCIe Gen4 lanes, enhancing parallel processing suitable for cloud and edge computing.
NVIDIA Grace CPUs target HPC and AI, featuring NVLink C2C interconnect and integrated LPDDR5X memory for efficient data flow.
Both emphasize Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) benefits, optimizing energy usage and core pricing. These alternatives diversify the computing landscape, challenging traditional x86 systems across cloud, edge, HPC, and AI domains.
Applications Include:
Cloud
Virtualization
Edge Computing
Artificial Intelligence (AI)
Databases

ARM popularity now – it has been around for quite some time actually – no?) has more to do with who owns, than what it can do…

I would say yes. I suspect Masayoshi Son’s stewardship of the technology has both been the reason for it’s explosive rise and for it’s lack of complete dominance …

RISC-V is sort of open source instruction set, no?

The RISC-V standard is open. It provides the standardized design for an open source instruction set. It provides a minimum standard instruction set.
It allows proprietary extensions for manufacturers who adopt the standard, so each designer may include proprietary RISC (even CISC) instructions for their implementation of the “Open Source” RISC-V standard.
Of course, due to U.S (attempted) embargo of ARM’s implementation of RISC against China, the Chinese have been experimenting with an even more “open” RISC standard based on OpenRISC:
Why Not Build on OpenRISC?
It’s a bit half-baked but apparently usable …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 18:31 utc | 44

wsj, Benjamin Netanyahu: Our Three Prerequisites for Peace, Dec 25

Hamas must be destroyed, Gaza must be demilitarized, and Palestinian society must be deradicalized. These are the three prerequisites for peace between Israel and its Palestinian neighbors in Gaza.
[…]
In destroying Hamas, Israel will continue to act in full compliance with international law. This is especially challenging because an integral part of Hamas’s strategy is to use Palestinian civilians as human shields. Hamas places its terrorist infrastructure inside and underneath homes, hospitals, mosques, schools and other civilian sites, deliberately putting the Palestinian population at risk.
Israel does its best to minimize civilian casualties by dropping leaflets, sending text messages and using other means to warn Gazans to get out of harm’s way. Hamas by contrast does its utmost to keep Palestinians in harm’s way—often at gunpoint.
[…]

simile suicide

Successful deradicalization took place in Germany and Japan after the Allied victory in World War II. Today, both nations are great allies of the U.S. and promote peace, stability and prosperity in Europe and Asia.
Unjustly blaming Israel for these casualties will only encourage Hamas and other terror organizations around the world to use human shields. To render this cruel and cynical strategy ineffective, the international community must place the blame for these casualties squarely on Hamas. It must recognize that Israel is fighting the bigger battle of the civilized war against barbarism.
Once Hamas is destroyed, Gaza is demilitarized, and Palestinian society begins a deradicalization process, Gaza can be rebuilt and the prospects of a broader peace in the Middle East will become a reality.

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 26 2023 18:33 utc | 45

IIRC & AFAIK, PC enthusiasts have a track record of establishing the origin of chips. Worst case scenario, the ones from Israel would get lumped in with others from other plants, but it would be known what generation and proces node they were. So even if that was all that was known, you could just boycott the (I’m making this part up) 12000 series chips, made on the three nanometer process node.
And if Intel goes to any lengths to hide the origin of the chips, oh my, what a black eye for everyone involved.
Off topic just a bit but I can remember buying blank DVD disks, and enthusiasts knew which country of the several used by a company like Verbatim made the most reliable ones. Anyway, that’s some context for how the need herd tracks stuff like where chips are coming from.
P.S. Fwiw, I used AMD for my last PC build, albeit with an nVidia video card. Now we have the semi-scandal of the Pelosi’s putting down bets on that company. Remember Nancy’s trip to Taiwan?

Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 26 2023 18:45 utc | 46

Posted by: Zargo | Dec 26 2023 14:31 utc | 18
«The Axis of resistance has demonstrated they are not going to do anything effective to help the Gazans. We see 0 evidence of the population aiding Hamas.»
There is perhaps a logic in that:
* The palestinian arab strategy has been the same for 70 years: wait for another Saladdin to drive the palestinian jews into the sea, and then get not a two-state solution, but a one-state “Islamic Republic of Palestine” as they want it “from the river to the sea” (the palestinian jews also want a one-state solution “from the sea to the river” instead :->)..
* So the most important goal of some palestinian arabs is to absolutely prevent any two-state solution, because a two-state solution will make it more difficult to argue later for pushing the palestinian jews into the sea.
* Therefore the goal of some palestinian arabs is to ensure that the most extreme hyper-nationalistic faction in Israel remains in power, and ensure that israeli public opinion never agrees to a two-state solution.
* The HAMAS attack and atrocities have been cleverly designed to be a provocation with no military or political effect in the present other than to make the life of palestinian arabs in Gaza even more miserable than before (from siege to open war) but also to ensure that the most extreme elements in Israel remain in power and israeli society will not accept a land-for-peace deal for a long time.
* For many palestinian arabs that is good result even if today’s palestinian arabs are sacrificed to the rage of palestinian jews, because it will make more likely that then when another Saladdin happens, whether in 100 or 200 years, all the palestinian jews will be cleanly pushed out of Palestine.

Posted by: Blissex | Dec 26 2023 18:57 utc | 47

Gee Eye Joe@41….Deziofication of Occupied Palestine will be a slow process. Time is not on the Mammonites side, the shekel tide will be parted….
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 26 2023 19:10 utc | 48

I think what is going on in Israel is a manifestation of a civil war reified and externalized as a genocidal siege on Gazan Palestinians. But the first assault was Israel effectively attacking itself on Oct 7 through the passive (or active) instrumentalization of Hamas proxies. If I’d been an Israeli tank commander on the Gaza border on Oct 7 I’d have been not only concerned about enemies coming from the Gaza the side but about enemy cliques within in the Israeli military upper echelons, who could likely not be trusted on such a day or the days following. Negligence alone seems extremely difficult a reason to account for 0ct 7, rather it seems IDF set itself up, circuitously attacked itself, perhaps ostensibly in order to channel a looming civil war outward into the externalizing destruction of Gaza, but if there’s any validity to my speculation those who directly or more likely indirectly let the IDF be attacked on Oct 7 are still in charge of that same henhouse.

Posted by: Ludo | Dec 26 2023 19:43 utc | 49

Sin2002 44
Justly blaming Israel for these casualties will dicourage Israel and other terror organizations around the world from bombing civilians. To render this cruel and cynical strategy ineffective, the international community must place the blame for these casualties squarely on Israel and the US. It must recognize that Israel is fighting an isolated battle of barbarism against the rest of civilized world.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 26 2023 20:04 utc | 50

Some of the popular theologians of our age have signed on to support the occupation and their barbarism. This is not Christian behavior! True Christians have their own beliefs and soundly reject the atrocities we are witnessing: https://folkpotpourri.com/beware-the-great-brood-of-vipers/

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Dec 26 2023 20:19 utc | 51

What rape? Aaron Maté exposing the unsubstantiated allegations of Palestinians raping:
Aaron Maté
@aaronjmate
In The Intercept, @JudithLevine
declares:
“One thing is true: Hamas and other Palestinian militants committed unspeakable sexual violence against Israeli civilians on October 7.” She adds that “some individuals and extreme-left organizations have denied these atrocities or upheld them as justified resistance.” (https://theintercept.com/2023/12/24/feminism-sexual-violence-hamas-israel/
)
The Nation’s @KathaPollitt
likewise declares that “Hamas fighters raped Israeli women and girls” on Oct, 7th, and that one has “to be a conspiracist or rape denialist” to question that. (https://thenation.com/article/world/feminists-hamas-rapes/)
Actually, only one thing is true: as of now, there are only unsubstantiated claims of sexual violence against Israeli civilians on Oct. 7th, and ample grounds to question them.
There is no one who’s claimed they were sexually assaulted. There is no physical or forensic evidence. (https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1731931124061122603)
Out of hundreds of Oct. 7th witnesses, only one person gave testimony claiming to have witnessed sexual violence, and their story is outlandish (including mutilation and necrophilia) and undermined by another witness. Another purported “witness” emerged nearly two months later and their story is even more ridiculous than the first individual. (This man claims to have witnessed the gang rape of a “beautiful woman with the face of an angel”, followed by seeing a woman’s head rolling on the ground after being dismembered with a shovel).
Rape claims have been made by the Israeli group Zaka, which has been caught lying about beheaded babies and other atrocities. (https://thegrayzone.com/2023/12/06/scandal-israeli-october-7-fabrications/)
To allege rape, Israel used a photo of a Kurdish woman taken outside Israel. It then quietly deleted it.
To support their declarations, both The Intercept and The Nation link to a @PHR_IL
report. That PHR report approvingly cites the documented fraudsters Zaka. And PHR, by their own admission, has interviewed a grand total of zero witnesses.
Therefore, we are left only with unsubstantiated allegations and no corroborating evidence, lodged by a genocidal Israeli government that has been caught lying countless times.
People who rush to parrot Israel’s claims are therefore acting only on their own credulity and, I suspect, their own racist stereotypes of Muslim men.

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1739719877475160305

Posted by: Menz | Dec 26 2023 20:27 utc | 52

Re: IDF divided against itself
Seems a reasonable theory given how divided Israeli society into warring camps that hate each other with a passion.
BTW – Barflies please do not comment on Netanyhoo‘s speech. It’s actually irrelevant. If the fighting lasts into late Feb, early March with the IDF reserves still fully activated – then it’s game over since Washington won‘t have any weapons left to send.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 26 2023 20:27 utc | 53

Does the US admin and many of the population care?
Sulaiman Ahmed
@ShaykhSulaiman
HEAD OF NASSER HOSPITAL SENDS MESSAGE TO JOE BIDEN
“I want to ask the Biden administration: how many more of us have to die?”
https://twitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1739484794663178488

Posted by: Menz | Dec 26 2023 20:43 utc | 54

Note the Yassin-105 anti-tank missile is a 2 stage round specifically designed to overcome the ‚active‘ armor of the Merkava. The Yassin-105 is locally designed and produced in the deep underground workshops
Posted by: Exile | Dec 26 2023 14:26 utc | 16
Tandem warheads are supposed to deal with ERA and/or inflict extra penetration, they are not made with active defense in mind. For that you need something like the RPG-30 which launches a decoy rocket ahead of the main one, salvo fire etc.
We see 0 evidence of the population aiding Hamas. No mass mobilization of the population to resist. No barricades impeding IDF movement. A passive population waiting for Hamas to be eliminated.
Posted by: Zargo | Dec 26 2023 14:31 utc | 18
Nonsense, what Israel needs to win is the political cover to liquidate 10000-20000 civilians per day, turning them into active combatants would do just that and in any case the IDF has no shortage of engineering assets.

Posted by: Satepestage | Dec 26 2023 20:46 utc | 55

The Intel factory in Israel story must be something else. It’s just money moving around. US is already replacing Taiwan with factories inside US and they even put others to pay for it, like the SK slaves. No need for Intel in Israel. The same strange factory story is in Ukr, a few weapons manufacturers announced factories there in 1-2-3 years. That is US, Germany and Turkey, so far. If it’s not money laundering it could be a simple plan to bring troops pretending to protect their investments. Since Russia doesn’t want 70% of Ukr, doesn’t even dare to hit that 70% with one of their little slingshot drones, Vicky won’t say no to such a gift. But that’s for the future, in the present time nato pretending to be Ukr has to start bombing Donbass and Zap. from Romania like Bibi does to Syria from foreign airspace. They won’t do it from Poland. Poles may be stupid but they’re not that stupid to volunteer as next kamikaze and let a million ukros f their wives while they die for Zely in their place. But very few ukros are in Romania (no one wants to live there), they’re already brainwashed, poor and fanatic although much less than Baltics, Orthodoxism partially dissolved into various cults, sects and Catholic, neo-nazis well organized since the 90s, so they are the most likely to go in next.

Posted by: rk | Dec 26 2023 20:48 utc | 56

ZH has a posting up wihjt the title
Another Container Ship Attacked In Red Sea As Houthis Act With Impunity
the quotes

“The naval forces of the Yemeni Armed Forces carried out a targeting operation against the commercial ship, ‘MSC UNITED’ with appropriate naval missiles,” according to a Houthi statement.

Scant details have emerged, but Tuesday’s incident happened in parallel with a fresh Houthi missile attack on Israel. The Houthi military spokesman Yahya Sarea was cited in the following:

Sarea also said the group carried out drone attacks on the southern Israeli city of Eilat “and other areas in occupied Palestine”.
In a statement, the group said they “carried out a targeting operation against a commercial ship” and launched a number of “drones against military targets” in southern Israel.


U.S. Central Command reported that F/A-18 Super Hornets from the Eisenhower Carrier Strike Group had a busy Tuesday.

U.S. assets, to include the USS LABOON (DDG 58) and F/A-18 Super Hornets from the Eisenhower Carrier Strike Group, shot down twelve one-way attack drones, three anti-ship ballistic missiles, and two land attack cruise missiles in the Southern Red Sea that were fired by the…

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 26 2023 20:58 utc | 57

The Yassin – 105 has a Tadem warhead – read

Continued efforts to upgrade the Hamas-made RPG rocket to penetrate protective armor lead to the development of the more recent “Tandem 85” rocket, using a tandem-charge system designed to be more effective against reactive armor,[9] followed by the more recent yet “Yasin 105” rocket. The Yasin 105 is reported to have first seen action during the 2023 Israel-Hamas war.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasin_(RPG)

Posted by: Exile | Dec 26 2023 20:59 utc | 58

ZH has a posting up with the title
US Destroys 3 Militant Bases In Iraq After Multiple Americans Wounded In Christmas Day Attacks
The quotes

“US military forces conducted necessary and proportionate strikes on three facilities used by Kataeb Hezbollah and affiliated groups in Iraq,” Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin had announced in a Christmas Day statement.
“These precision strikes are a response to a series of attacks against US personnel in Iraq and Syria by Iranian-sponsored militias, including an attack by Iran-affiliated Kataeb Hezbollah and affiliated groups on Arbil Air Base earlier today,” he added.
It was reportedly done with one-way attack drones, and thus appears to have been limited in scope, compared to a prior couple of operations which involved airstrikes on multiple militant bases and facilities in Iraq and Syria.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 26 2023 21:02 utc | 59

Via sitrepworld.info
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/shocking-testimonies-reveal-execution-dozens-elderly-people-israeli-army-gaza-strip-enar

Shocking testimonies reveal the execution of dozens of elderly people by Israeli army in the Gaza Strip
Geneva – The Israeli army has executed dozens of elderly Palestinians in the Gaza Strip in direct shooting operations, Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor said in a statement issued Friday. This incredibly vulnerable group of civilians is suffering twice over, said the rights organisation, as Israel has turned all people in the Strip into targets since the 7 October start of its ongoing genocide against Palestinians there.
Euro-Med Monitor said that 1,049 elderly men and women have been killed during the 76-day genocide—about 1% of the estimated 107,000 elderly people who live in the Gaza Strip, and 3.9% of all Palestinian deaths during the aggression. The majority of them were crushed to death under the debris of their homes or the shelter centres where they sought safety after Israeli aircraft bombed their homes, or while being forced to seek basic necessities in the streets and marketplaces. Alarmingly, however, dozens were targeted in killings and field executions.
The Geneva-based organisation stated that it had received horrifying testimony regarding killings and field executions of several people over the age of 60. These incidents included soldiers shooting elderly people immediately after ordering them to evacuate their homes, and in some cases, executing them just moments after their release from hours or days of arbitrary detention.
According to Euro-Med Monitor, the elderly Dr Akram Abu Hasira and his wife were shot and left to bleed to death by Israeli forces on Thursday 21 December, after being forcibly evacuated from their home on Yarmouk Street in Gaza City. The soldiers then set fire to their home. Their son, Dr Mahmoud Abu Hasira, reported that after the Israeli forces withdrew from the area, their family managed to bury the couple’s bodies.
Furthermore, Ahmed Suleiman Hassan Muhammad Abdel-Al, a 60-year-old mentally ill man, was shot and killed in his Jabalia camp home on 13 December, said Euro-Med Monitor. His killing occurred after Israeli soldiers stormed the camp and Abdel-Al’s home after a days-long siege on the Yemeni hospital.
Abdel Nasser Khader Haboub, 62, was also killed, Euro-Med Monitor reported, when Israeli forces fired an artillery shell at him shortly after his release from a two-day detention. This incident also claimed the lives of Palestine University’s College of Information Technology Dean Dr Ahmed Hamdi Abu Absa, 38.
An eyewitness told Euro-Med Monitor that Haboub and his family took refuge in the Holy Family School after an Israeli bombing targeted a house in which they were taking refuge, and that they had previously fled their own home due to the heavy Israeli bombing of Gaza City. The day after the family’s arrival at the school on 8 December, Israeli forces stormed the building and arrested all the men and some women, stripping the men and taking them to an unknown destination. After midnight on 10 December, the Israeli forces released a group of detainees including multiple elderly people, then targeted them only minutes later with a tank shell and a quadcopter flying over their heads, causing the death of Haboub along with the academic Abu Absa. [and it goes on…] >/blockquote>

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 26 2023 21:19 utc | 60

No need to nuke Tel Aviv or Haifa. One of the world’s biggest chemical plants is located right in the urban area, put there away back when the land was well outside the urban area. A few neat hits on those installations will make Bhopal look like a modest mishap. Bhopal resulted in over 500,000 poisoned and dead. Go figure…
And in the south is the Dimona nuclear reactor, with several hundred tons of used nuclear fuel. Hit that on a day when the wind is blowing from the south and Occupied Palestine will be dusted in radioactive fall-out. What the Marshall Islanders’ suffer will seem of no account next to what this will leave behind.

Posted by: RJPJR | Dec 26 2023 22:11 utc | 61

@ no. 44 re MSM lies and propaganda from WSJ etc
Hitler and then Orwell couldn’t have put it better.
As with this etc (quoting from entry 44).
Unjustly blaming Israel for these casualties will only encourage Hamas and other terror organizations around the world to use human shields. To render this cruel and cynical strategy ineffective, the international community must place the blame for these casualties squarely on Hamas. It must recognize that Israel is fighting the bigger battle of the civilized war against barbarism.
Translation
You see, the people, the babies, the elderly, the mothers, the population generally, they are all compliant, you see, and cooperating to shield their military, and attacking them has nothing to do with our–we have to do this!!!–shooting them through the windows of hospitals, bombing their houses, cutting off food and power so that babies in incubators (also cowardly shields) die in swarms, nor the bombing of cemeteries and the crushing of desperate people in tents by running over them with bulldozers. No, all of this is because these people are evil and compliant with with the enemy. IT”S NOT OUR FAULT!!! We have no choice!!!! Our determination to exterminate them is all their own fault! We are innocent, we are pure, we even drop leaflets telling them where to run to to be safe, and then bomb them that way anyway because because … they must be cleansed you see, so we can rebuild and do what we want–IT’S NOT OUR FUCKING FAULT!!!! Do you hear??? Do we have any sense of decency, or empathy with those who are bystanders with no power, who are too young or too old or too helpless? Of course we do! Are we moral morons consumed with so much rage we cannot think for even a second about all this?? No, no, no. How could you take to this antisemitism by saying this??? What is the matter with you??? Do you not understand what is barbaric, irrational, and savage here?

Posted by: botete | Dec 26 2023 22:12 utc | 62

@ no. 44 re MSM lies and propaganda from WSJ etc
Hitler and then Orwell couldn’t have put it better.
As with this etc (quoting from entry 44).
Unjustly blaming Israel for these casualties will only encourage Hamas and other terror organizations around the world to use human shields. To render this cruel and cynical strategy ineffective, the international community must place the blame for these casualties squarely on Hamas. It must recognize that Israel is fighting the bigger battle of the civilized war against barbarism.
Translation
You see, the people, the babies, the elderly, the mothers, the population generally, they are all compliant, you see, and cooperating to shield their military, and attacking them has nothing to do with our–we have to do this!!!–shooting them through the windows of hospitals, bombing their houses, cutting off food and power so that babies in incubators (also cowardly shields) die in swarms, nor the bombing of cemeteries and the crushing of desperate people in tents by running over them with bulldozers. No, all of this is because these people are evil and compliant with with the enemy. IT”S NOT OUR FAULT!!! We have no choice!!!! Our determination to exterminate them is all their own fault! We are innocent, we are pure, we even drop leaflets telling them where to run to to be safe, and then bomb them that way anyway because because … they must be cleansed you see, so we can rebuild and do what we want–IT’S NOT OUR FUCKING FAULT!!!! Do you hear??? Do we have any sense of decency, or empathy with those who are bystanders with no power, who are too young or too old or too helpless? Of course we do! Are we moral morons consumed with so much rage we cannot think for even a second about all this?? No, no, no. How could you take to this antisemitism by saying this??? What is the matter with you??? Do you not understand what is barbaric, irrational, and savage here?

Posted by: botete | Dec 26 2023 22:12 utc | 63

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 26 2023 18:33 utc | 44
Thanks for the quote! It’s always good to know that there are some things that one can always count on, such as Bibi’s delusion holding firm and the Western corporate media’s willingness to let him hold forth on such subjects as international law, peace etc.

Posted by: RJPJR | Dec 26 2023 22:27 utc | 64

RJPJR 60
If Israel is now suffering full mania, what would its madness reach if it was actually attacked by real missiles ?
Could its nukes reach Yahveh, or the moon, or shaytan in the cauldron of the inner planet?
What violence would assuage the chainsaw zombie if it received no attention at all, and the world just ignored it, leaving the cinema to play its neuroses to an empty auditorium.
Would it find growth in its isolation if USUK just ignored it and let it starve along with its victims? What if no Babylonians or no Romans arrived to punish them ? What would happen if God just ignored them in their stolen lands?
Freud was Jewish , how long could the infant contain its bowels on the potty to punish its mother for bringing it to Life if she walked out?
Could it eventually turn to God?

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 26 2023 22:52 utc | 65

* For many palestinian arabs that is good result even if today’s palestinian arabs are sacrificed to the rage of palestinian jews, because it will make more likely that then when another Saladdin happens, whether in 100 or 200 years, all the palestinian jews will be cleanly pushed out of Palestine.
Posted by: Blissex | Dec 26 2023 18:57 utc | 46
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They might think this, but it sounds pretty dumb to me.
Wait for a generation hundreds of years down the pike to do the dirty work? Totally waste the current opportunity? Just keep fingers crossed that somehow, the Usurpers will AGAIN be weakened in 200 years by a powerful uprising? That will come out of . . . . where? . . .
Meanwhile the Arab elites will have been living high on the hog until . . . oops maybe the oil really DOES give out . . .
Sounds like Arab elite pilpul to me (if true).

Posted by: Jane | Dec 26 2023 23:27 utc | 66

. . . Once Hamas is destroyed, Gaza is demilitarized, and Palestinian society begins a deradicalization process, Gaza can be rebuilt and the prospects of a broader peace in the Middle East will become a reality.
Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 26 2023 18:33 utc | 44
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Pilpul alert!!
Are WSJ readers so stupid as to fall for this only somewhat clever justification that appropriates both Russian (recent) and Allied (WW2) tropes an applies them in a black-is-white inversion of the true situation of the Israeli Usurpers in Palestine?
Making the Usurpers into the moral policemen of the “new postwar era” in Occupied Palestine?
Netty offers a facade story that sets actual history and also the present on its head. Quite the chutzpah, that. I think only other Jews will fall for it.
And perhaps Net’s message is tailored to them in the first place.
Notice how Net did not use the word “denazification.” In Western Germany the professed goal was not “deradicalization” but denazification.” And many would say that even that was really just window dressing and never happened.
The parallel that Net does not mention is that in Germany the “denazifiers/deradicalizers” were the occupation force—-just like the occupying Jews in Palestine.
Another thing he does not mention is that there were two Germanies in Germany. That was because of an outside force, Russia.
Neyy’s assertion/plaedoyer/rationalization is a clever “I dare ya!” to see if someone will stand on the Third Rail and call out Net and the Usurpers for what they are: the Bad Guys in Palestine, not the Lone Rangers, the entity that must be “deradicalized” if Israel is to have any hope whatsoever of surviving in any form.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 26 2023 23:47 utc | 67

Crosses fingers for HTML tag
“>https://youtu.be/jnbDn3ghqbk?si=o1sow4aftCMqacWl/“> Alexei Sayle’s Alternative Alternative Christmas Message

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Dec 26 2023 23:48 utc | 68

@ 51,”The Nation’s @KathaPollitt
likewise declares that “Hamas fighters raped Israeli women and girls” on Oct, 7th, and that one has “to be a conspiracist or rape denialist” to question that. (https://thenation.com/article/world/feminists-hamas-rapes/)”
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Katha Pollitt is a nitwit.
I had noticed this for a long time already by the time I decided that The Nation generally was past its sell-by date and canceled my sub.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 26 2023 23:54 utc | 69

‘Once Hamas is destroyed, Gaza is demilitarized, and Palestinian society begins a deradicalization process, Gaza can be rebuilt and the prospects of a broader peace in the Middle East will become a reality.’
Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 26 2023 18:33 utc | 44
1. Once Hamas is destroyed, – Not a realistic assessment. IDF have decided to bring their mauled troops out and are now concentrating on being as unpleasant as possible to unknown numbers who have been rounded up and taken to sport stadiums in their underwear. Future actions will concentrate on targeting civilians from the air.
2.Gaza is demilitarized, completely. How would any and Palestinian society begins a deradicalization process. Not possible without a serious reduction in military action from Israel.

Posted by: Ray | Dec 27 2023 0:04 utc | 70

Incredible combat video of a HAMAS man taking out a zionazi Merkava with a hand carried bomb:
https://t.me/sonar_21/8454
Later in the same video HAMAS uses an RPG to snipe a group of zionazis in a room through an upper story window.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 27 2023 0:15 utc | 71

Quds News Network
@QudsNen
The Vice President of Johnson & Johnson, says he believes that killing everyone in Gaza is a “necessity”.
https://twitter.com/qudsnen/status/1739202710103007287

Posted by: Menz | Dec 27 2023 0:47 utc | 72

The Vice President of Johnson & Johnson, says he believes that killing everyone in Gaza is a “necessity”.
https://twitter.com/qudsnen/status/1739202710103007287
Posted by: Menz | Dec 27 2023 0:47 utc | 70
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I don’t think Maldonado said that he, Maldonado, believes this.
I think he said that Bibi probably believes this.
In a way, Maldonado’s citing the Amalek quote might be considered subversive to Bibi.
It would be pretty weird if the CEO of Johnson & Johnson, a manufacturer medical supplies, called for genocide—meaning thousands and thousands of fewer customers for their products . .

Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 1:18 utc | 73

RJPJR @60…..dude, great idea, just go full fucking Ukie on the Zio bastards.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 27 2023 1:25 utc | 74

I see the crazies are out in force on the MOA hate website. Nuke this nuke that. Sick MFers all.

Posted by: Realist | Dec 27 2023 1:28 utc | 75

Re: Dun Groanin and the Israelis’ involvement w/ Pinochet.
https://www.972mag.com/investigate-israeli-complicity-with-pinochets-crimes/
But in looking for that one, I stumbled on a new (to me) article that I’ll post here to see if anyone has further info.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-06-13/ty-article-magazine/.premium/under-pinochets-nose-the-israeli-diplomats-who-rescued-left-wing-dissidents-from-chile/00000181-487a-d953-a585-7d7ffb0a0000

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 1:31 utc | 76

Sorry, unpaywalled Haaretz article I linked above.
https://archive.ph/wip/7U4FI

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 1:32 utc | 77

Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 1:18 utc | 71
Look at the replies by Maldonado. He definitely says and believes it. Unless “hacked”?
https://twitter.com/sayedalijaffery/status/1739284636902035483

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 1:34 utc | 78

Thanks sln2002 for uploading this Netanyahu’s steaming pile of b.s. for us to deconstruct:

Successful deradicalization took place in Germany and Japan after the Allied victory in World War II. Today, both nations are great allies of the U.S. and promote peace, stability and prosperity in Europe and Asia.

One cannot equate Hamas, which is a resistance organization with shit-for-tools and religious discipline, with the industrial powerhouses that was Imperial Japan and NAZI Germany. The latter had massive amounts of armaments and and agenda for regional –if not worldwide– conquest.
But the best part of this is the notion of ‘deradicalization’. Is ol’ clever-little-beaver Bibi saying that Palestinian society as a whole is radicalized by a barbaric religion or is it radicalized by a need to be freed of the yoke of occupation? I’m sure that to the undiscerning, upon hearing ‘deradicalization of Palestinian society’, people will think of those baddie religious nuts. But everyone knows that Occupied Palestinian society is fixated on liberation and self-determination — to have control over their country, their borders, their population registry, their money, and their comings-and-goings.
So is Bibi trying to extinguish this driving motivation, by calling it radicalization? Yes he is, and he’s a dangerous fascist racist at heart and everyone must be aware of this…especially those of the upper echelons of society for whom he wrote this drivel to be read on Christmas morning.
He is a dangerous and should not be underestimated. He knows how to manipulate people’s emotions, like any unrestrained sociopath would.
And what he doesn’t spell out in his stinker of a piece is what will be the fate of the Palestinians after they are ‘deradicalized’? Will they be outfitted with a Marshall-like plan, allowed to build massive industries, manage their own natural resources, allowed to develop a socioeconomic framework that promotes advancement as they see it, be given the chance to develop their own society in their own image, free of Israeli meddling?
No, of course not.
He won’t spell it out because their desire is to erradicate and erase Palestinian society, and to remake it into a supplicating second class dependency. Anyone who can’t see this is willfully blinding themselves.

Posted by: CrazyTrain | Dec 27 2023 1:48 utc | 79

A rundown of Israel’s intentional targeting and laying siege to hospitals in Gaza.
https://gaza-hospitals.forensic-architecture.org/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 1:53 utc | 80

but Intel does have to build chip factories somewhere that is not Taiwan.
Posted by: Honzo | Dec 26 2023 16:53 utc | 35
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Er, how about in the United States.
Posted by: Jane | Dec 26 2023 17:02 utc | 36
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Jane, not gonna happen. So he highly trained, successful Taiwanese, Dutch, S Korean engineers and operations people go with families, universities, houses – to Hooterville, USA? And abandon their own countries? Hm – who’s trying to control international semiconductors then?
From Zerohedge:
Another Major US Chip Plant Delays Mass Production Until After 2024 Election
TUESDAY, DEC 26, 2023 – 10:00 AM
President Biden has made revitalizing domestic chip production a critical strategic priority, supported by tens of billions of dollars in Chips Act subsidies. Despite this, there have been postponements in mass production plans for two different chipmakers, potentially hindering Biden’s aim for new plants operational by next year.
The latest mass production delay is at Samsung Electronics Co.’s $17 billion chip plant in Taylor, Texas. Bloomberg cited a new report from Seoul Economic Daily, which quoted a speech from President Choi Siyoung of Samsung at a recent foundry business industry event in San Francisco.
Samsung previously targeted a mass production schedule for the second half of 2024, but now that timeframe has been shifted to 2025. A spokesperson for the company could not confirm the mass production schedule.
In July, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. revealed its mass production schedule was postponed from late 2024 until 2025 due to a shortage of skilled workers.
“We are working on improving this by sending skilled technical workers from Taiwan to the US,” Liu said on a conference call after earnings in July.
Besides a shortage of workers, Bloomberg noted, “US environmental permit issues and the Biden administration’s slowness in delivering financial support have been plaguing domestic chip projects.”
Also, chipmaker ASML Holding NV recently warned that lawmakers in Washington, DC, do not estimate the complexity of building new factories.
“People don’t seem to realize that when we start building those fabs across the globe now and are everywhere, that skill has been refined over the last couple of decades in only a few places on the planet — predominantly in Taiwan and in Korea and a bit in China.
“Getting access to the requisite skills and skilled workers to keep the construction plan on time is a challenge,” Peter Wennink, chief executive officer of ASML, said earlier this year.
News that Samsung and TSMC are delaying mass production starts until after the presidential election cycle will be frustrating for the Biden administration because it has championed its Chip Act to rebuild domestic chip production.
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/another-major-us-chip-plant-delays-mass-production-until-after-2024-election

Posted by: daffyDuct | Dec 27 2023 1:56 utc | 81

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 26 2023 17:43 utc | 39
You’ve gotta love Alexei Sayle. He has such a sharp intellect, and a keen eye for the ludicrous aspects of society.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Dec 27 2023 2:01 utc | 82

@Arch Bungle re: China Chips
Zhaoxin Unveils KX-7000 CPUs: Eight x86 Cores at Up to 3.70 GHz
Sounds like processor core wise it’s a few, ten years behind, when ten years ago they were supposed to be 30 years behind. The memory support is a few years out, and PCIe 4 is same, and ridiculously fast for home use. Stepping stone…the better the chip, the better the next generation’s design.

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Dec 27 2023 2:09 utc | 83

@ DunGroanin | Dec 26 2023 17:43 utc | 39
Thanks for pointing that out.
The Piped Video link wouldn’t play the video for me, so here’s the yt link.
Alexie Sayle’s “Alternative Alternative Christmas Message“
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jnbDn3ghqbk

Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 27 2023 2:20 utc | 84

https://twitter.com/sayedalijaffery/status/1739284636902035483
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 1:34 utc | 76
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That certainly does not look good! (I can read just the one reply, as I am not myself on Twit).
Maldonado states that God has protected Israel for millennia, and He won’t change His mind now. Logic? If God has protected “Israel” for millennia, how come the constant victim narrative? How come the need for a Jewish state?
Anyhow, of course “Israel” has not existed for millennia.
These people are so tiresome, and tiring, too.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 2:50 utc | 85

“Maldonado states that God has protected Israel for millennia, and He won’t change His mind now. Logic? If God has protected “Israel” for millennia, how come the constant victim narrative?”
This God of theirs must have been taking a Jewish holiday during the Holocaust.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 27 2023 3:07 utc | 86

Re Maldonado, in the first Tweit he quoted Samuel 15:3:
” Now go and completely destroy the entire Amalekite nation—–men, women, children, babies, cattle, sheep, goats, camels, and donkeys.”
Wow. Then Maldonado wrote:
“This is probably the order Bibi received from the Lord regarding Palestinians. People may call this ethnic cleansing or genocide, but the Chosen People of God know that this is obedience to God. God has to be obeyed or else . . .”
I couldn’t believe that Maldonado was actually spouting such insane nonsense. I thought he was kind of channeling Bibi’s insanity.
But I guess he actually thinks that Bibi is getting direction straight from “God.”
He actually thinks that Jews are God’s Chosen People.
He actually thinks that humans have no free will and just follow “God” like robots when He commands them to kill, kill, kill . . .
What a primitive, savage religion. We must get these people out of any seats of power. Perhaps the Inquisition was right to force them to convert to Christianitiy, “or else” …
From the photo, Maldonado looks like the village idiot. Should one be alarmed that this dolt is a top manager of a major international drug and medical supply company? I think so!

Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 3:07 utc | 87

From the photo, Maldonado looks like the village idiot. Should one be alarmed that this dolt is a top manager of a major international drug and medical supply company? I think so!
Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 3:07 utc | 84
Explains a lot of J&J’s recent corporate history….

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 27 2023 3:47 utc | 88

What a primitive, savage religion. We must get these people out of any seats of power. Perhaps the Inquisition was right to force them to convert to Christianitiy, “or else” …
Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 3:07 utc | 84
If anyone thinks these people aren’t seeking vengeance for their treatment in Europe from White Europeans, while replacing them in their position of power, they’re in for a shock.
Their lobbying for nonwhite immigration, diversity and lax law enforcement, promotion of homosexuality and interracial marriage, all while denying any of it in Israel itself, is all part of this effort.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 27 2023 3:55 utc | 89

This may be a dumb question.
Does the average Israeli see and know of the atrocities their government, IDF and settlers are committing?
Because the rest of the world can see it on their phones. Around the clock.
Can/will anyone stop them?

Posted by: Laura Roslin | Dec 27 2023 4:02 utc | 90

Posted by: Laura Roslin | Dec 27 2023 4:02 utc | 87
It’s actually a good question, and one with a nuanced answer – depending on how far a given Israeli is willing or able to dig for information.
On the “willing” aspect of things, Israeli society is extremely propagandized and indoctrinated from a very young age. I’ve posted a few feature length documentaries here over the years (see: “Defamation” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation_(film) – YouTube has it but doesn’t make it easy to find. There are also shorter interviews about the Israeli education system out there, also not too easy to find (gee, I wonder why), and articles like this one: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-08-03/ty-article/.premium/from-the-first-grade-to-the-grave-israelis-are-educated-to-dehumanize-palestinians/00000189-b817-d821-afdd-bb37927a0000). Essentially, Israelis are taught that they are the chosen people to inhabit what was previously an uninhabited and uncivilized land, they are taught that Palestinian Arabs are less than human, among other things like a major emphasis on Palestinian “terrorism” while well documented Israeli terrorism dating back to the 1940s is either glorified or minimized.
So it’s not as likely as you would think that the average Israeli, let alone fundamentalist settlers or Zionists even care to look at what their government is doing to Gaza or the West Bank, or if they do know they shrug it off.
The other angle is that of censorship and information control. Here’s a timely article on that topic, and I think you will get the gist of how this is nothing new at all in Israel. https://theintercept.com/2023/12/23/israel-military-idf-media-censor/
So it isn’t as easy for Israelis to get the information if they truly want to, especially from “trusted” Israeli/Hebrew outlets based out of Israel. We also all know how the Western corporate media likes to minimize or justify Israel-on-Palestinian violence, atrocities, and how they tend to “passivize” the IDF’s routine murders of Palestinians while they personalize any (rare) Israeli deaths at the hands of occupied Palestinians.
Here’s an example: https://fair.org/uncategorized/responsibility-obscured-as-nyt-uses-passive-voice/
At the end of the day, there may in fact be many Israelis who understand the true scope of the genocide and ethnic cleansing being carried out not only in Gaza right now, but in “slow motion” by way of illegal settlements, settler violence, etc. There are probably quite a few who are disgusted by it, but recall the political/social climate in the USA after 9/11. It was essentially verboten to point the finger back on ourselves and discuss “blowback” in response to US (and Israeli) mideast policies/wars. Hence even if an Israeli citizen is aware and horrified about what the IDF is doing, they are probably pretty inclined to self-censorship and not rocking the boat – for all the reasons I’ve tried to lay out here.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 4:23 utc | 91

Posted by: Laura Roslin | Dec 27 2023 4:02 utc | 87
Taking it to another level, and building off my point about 9/11 in the USA, it wasn’t for nothing that October 7 was roundly and loudly characterized as “Israel’s 9/11.” Whether some here want to admit it or not, the IDF, Shin Bet and Mossad (among other government officials) were warned numerous times in advance of Hamas’s plans, and there was – in fact – a compartmentalized stand-down that morning. I won’t get into it here, but suffice it to say that Israel’s right-wing Likud (and other) Zionist hawks “needed” an Israeli 9/11 event to put in motion their longstanding plans to clear out Gaza completely.
This is important in the context of your question because, again, even Western outlets couldn’t contain themselves in their compulsion to characterize October 7 as a “9/11 level event” up to and including trotting out numbers of (alleged) Hamas victims of that day and percentage comparisons of Israeli deaths to the number of Americans killed on 9/11/2001. This set the stage and and a climate of justified, wrathful vengeance – to wit: Who cares how bad the Gazans get it after what they just did to us!
So it’s a very complex, but at the same time simple, atmosphere in Israel right now. In addition to their longstanding brainwashing and religious/racist propaganda, virtually every media outlet, politician, political party, government spokesperson, etc. are touting the seriousness of Oct. 7 and the response. Sharper observers will see that this is merely the pattern. The script, if you will. And it’s applicable to any Western country – and Israel, a settler colonial apartheid project comprised mostly of white Europeans doing what white Europeans have done for centuries.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 4:32 utc | 92

Posted by: g | Dec 27 2023 4:27 utc | 89
Whether this is your own verbiage or if you’re quoting/paraphrasing/plagiarizing someone else, it’s utter horseshit and totally false:

The conflict between Israel and Hamas signals that a new era has begun — one where wars are no longer black-swan events that occur every decade or so. Rather, they are becoming a regular occurrence, representing the most significant transformation to global affairs since 9/11. This is a pivotal moment in history, as it signals that whatever stood in the way of conflicts erupting is now falling by the wayside. Nations are no longer scared to throw punches, and war has become acceptable again.

In fact the era of American hegemony – with Israel as the tip of the spear or “land based aircraft carrier in the ME” – has always been characterized by constant war. As policy, and not accident.
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/righting-a-wrong-burying-decades-of-us-led-wars

In international relations, there are two main theories that address the relationship between power and the spread of peace. The first is the Hegemonic Stability Theory which posits that the international order is likely to remain stable when one country is the dominant global power. The proponents of this theory believe that the existence of a single hegemon deters all powers in the world and prevents them from spreading tension.
However, given the reality that the United States has dominated a conflict-ridden global order for four decades, it can be argued that the presence of the hegemon did not lead to global stability. Rather, the dominant was the major source and catalyst for spreading tension around the world. It is sufficient to look at the distribution of US bases in the world and the proliferation of military agreements signed by Washington to understand how the US consistently provokes rivals and challengers, and creates strife.

IOW, the US (and Israel) perpetually seek to generate and prolong chaos and war in the Middle East and elsewhere, as a matter of intentional policy.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 4:36 utc | 93

Re Maldonado, in the first Tweit he quoted Samuel 15:3:
” Now go and completely destroy the entire Amalekite nation—–men, women, children, babies, cattle, sheep, goats, camels, and donkeys.”
Posted by: Jane | Dec 27 2023 3:07 utc | 84
The story line in the Bible is that under the leadership of Moses, about 600,000 people fled Egypt. In the book of Joshua they conquered the Promised Land (mostly the area south of Jerusalem). In the north, along with a little conquest, there was a religious conversion of the locals. In the area south of Jerusalem, if they ran the population off and it really happened, there would be the problem as to where they went, so the solution was to kill them off. It was ethnic purity achieved by mass murder. There was a few of the original population left behind, but only as a subordinate an obedient population. Everybody else in the territory called Judea (or Judah) was alleged to be the offspring of Judah, son of Israel (aka Jacob), who was the grandson of Abraham.
One might say what Israel is doing right now is consistent with doctrine, except I don’t think they respect much more than the Tora part of the Old Testament. If so, no book of Joshua as a holy text.

Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 27 2023 4:36 utc | 94

Does anyone honestly expect us to believe that the Zionist Movement ever had the intention of coexisting on equal terms with the majority native population?
The reaction of the Arab nations towards their Jewish minority was a response to the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians from most of the Palestinian territory.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 27 2023 4:38 utc | 95

Self proclaimed atheist? Or does that only apply to religions other than jewish?
Gerry Keogh
@GerryKeogh_
.@stephenfry
telling us he and his people are the Victims.
https://twitter.com/GerryKeogh_/status/1739616960399216654

Posted by: Menz | Dec 27 2023 4:41 utc | 96

Does anyone honestly expect us to believe that the Zionist Movement ever had the intention of coexisting on equal terms with the majority native population?
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 27 2023 4:38 utc | 93
Of course not. And look at how Jewish populations were protected and tolerated in majority Muslim countries for centuries. Iran, for example, especially up to the last two decades when Israel started assassinating their scientists and trying to foment regime change and chaos in Iranian allied countries and supporting the US in its wars (however much “behind the scenes”).
The Zionist movement’s foundation is terror against Arabs. https://www.amazon.com/State-Terror-Terrorism-Created-Modern/dp/1566560683
Anyone who doesn’t “get it” is just an ignoramus or a hasbarat (like “g”).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 27 2023 4:42 utc | 97

Plenty of evidence that extremist Zionists attacked Hewish residents of Arab countries to force them to move to Israel. Lots of research on the topic.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 27 2023 5:07 utc | 98

as hamas is slowly phased out of existence the world will come to appreciate what israel has done..
Posted by: james | Dec 27 2023 5:17 utc | 97
Yes, fake james.

It is the Palestinian children that are being “slowly phased out of existence”.

When the world “appreciates what israel has done” the Jews (good or bad) are likely to get butchered like hogs in the streets.
After all “Kill them all and let their God sort them out” is a famous Christian Value.

Not an outcome I wish upon the Jews, just a likely outcome of genocide done in their name …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 5:23 utc | 99

Posted by: Exile | Dec 27 2023 5:07 utc | 96
Good place to start: The Lavon Affair:

The Lavon affair was a failed Israeli covert operation, codenamed Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the summer of 1954. As part of a false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian-, American-, and British-owned civilian targets: cinemas, libraries, and American educational centers. The bombs were timed to detonate several hours after closing time. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian communists, “unspecified malcontents”, or “local nationalists” with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt’s Suez Canal zone.

I leave the attacks on Iraqi Jews as an exercise to the reader.
Aside: There’s a clue that much of the suspicion of the Muslim Brotherhood has been fabricated over time by the British Intelligence apparatus. In fact, I believe the M.B are a Pan-Arab Liberation movement which is in fact why they were created.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 27 2023 5:28 utc | 100