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December 24, 2023
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Israel kills senior Iranian general in Syria strike
“The barbaric Zionist regime will pay” for the death of Seyed Razi Mousavi, Iran’s Revolutionary Guards have said
Israeli warplanes struck the Syrian capital of Damascus on Monday, killing a senior Iranian commander. Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) said that the general, Seyed Razi Mousavi, was in Syria to support the anti-Israel “resistance front.”
News of the strike was first reported by Iran’s Tasnim news agency, and confirmed shortly afterwards by the IRGC. “A few hours ago, during the criminal missile attack of the child-killing Zionist regime on Damascus, Brigadier-General Seyed Razi Mousavi, one of the IRGC’s senior military advisers, was martyred,” the IRGC’s statement said.
At the time of his death, Mousavi was “responsible for supporting the resistance front in Syria,” the IRGC said, referring to the broad coalition of anti-Israel groups backed by Iran, which include Hezbollah in Lebanon and various Shia militias in Iraq and Syria.
“The usurping and barbaric Zionist regime will pay for this crime,” the statement concluded.
from RT “>https://www.swentr.site/news/589674-israel-airstrike-syria-iran-general/
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 26 2023 3:42 utc | 201
MMT is not a real theory. It didn’t exist as a “theory” until recently when it was thrown around to cover for policy failure.
Posted by: Pq | Dec 25 2023 17:43 utc |
It was over 30 years in the making, not an overnight fad as you suggest. Nothing of MMT was “thrown around” that is a corporate media myth. There is no MMT without the job guarentee. It is the thing that holds the theory altogether. The keystone of it All.
Here:
https://multiplier-effect.org/what-mmt-is-and-why-we-should-not-wait-for-the-next-crisis-to-live-up-to-our-means/#more-14574
Only those who have not read the 30 year literature would be stupid enough to believe anybody has even attempted MMT.
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 26 2023 3:49 utc | 202
Muslim mobs are attacking NYPD on Christmas Day who are obviously told to not to fight back. Jeez, these people look like they came got off a boat from sub Saharan Africa.
We don’t need them around! Take your Hamas back to Iran with you.
Posted by: Rivers | Dec 26 2023 3:59 utc | 203
Here’s a link for you Arch, if you haven’t seen it previously:
Posted by: Menz | Dec 25 2023 11:55 utc | 132
This one I can’t look at, Menz.
My grandfather told me of his grandmother who was a slave woman fled from St. Helena.
I’d rather not look to deeply into what that might have meant, I hate the Empire enough as it is.
I’ll keep that vision in my mind, passed down from parent to child, of a tall, dark skinned woman with long jet black hair sailing away from the prison island on an ancient trader’s ship to freedom.
Suffice to say we have fought Empire in one form or another for every generation since.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 4:05 utc | 204
What do barflies think of this?……
Why would Hanas agree to status-quo-anté ?
Given: Political Leader of Hamss announced today that 1,600 IDF KIA and a further 3,400 WIA. If they really believe these claims, they will only accept substantial gains over the status-quo-anté
Posted by: Exile | Dec 25 2023 17:02 utc | 159
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Agree. At this point it seems that a one state solution with Palestinians in charge is what is needed and what will likely happen.
Posted by: financial matters | Dec 26 2023 4:08 utc | 205
From Gaza’s Mayor:
“I Am Gaza City’s Mayor. Our Lives and Culture Are in Rubble.”
https://archive.is/3fyND#selection-347.0-347.60
(Forgive if already posted)
Posted by: Rivers | Dec 26 2023 3:59 utc | 202
Yanqui mobs are attacking Syria on Christmas Day who are obviously told to not to fight back. Jeez, these people look like they came got off a boat from crackerhead trailer park.
We don’t need them around! Take your Yanquis back to England with you.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 4:25 utc | 207
Indeed.
Posted by: Jane | Dec 25 2023 14:05 utc | 141
I disagree.
The ONLY reason Israel is able to bomb and genocide innocent Palestinians is because of US aid both economically and militarily.
Who votes in the American government? The American people.
Lots of the Jewish community is protesting the Israel genocide-otherwise if you two get your wish you are , in fact, projecting ‘collective punishment’ to the wider Jewish community who have not voted in the disgraceful Likud government nor dropped any bombs in Gaza..
The responsibility is on Israel and the US.
Period.
Posted by: canuck | Dec 25 2023 14:24 utc | 142
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This post makes no sense.
“if you two get your wish you are , in fact, projecting ‘collective punishment’ to the wider Jewish community who have not voted in the disgraceful Likud government nor dropped any bombs in Gaza..”
Who is “you two”? What is “your wish”?
You just made up this wish yourself.
I am not going to waste more time discussing the point, which to me is obvious: The catastrophe in Palestine would not be possible without the decades-long support of powerful diaspora actors, especially in the USA. They provide the political carrots and sticks to their governments to support Israel, most obviously, in the USA, but not only in the USA.
If diaspora Jews do not want to tarred by the disaster, they must speak up loud and clear to put a wide moat between themselves and Zionism. They must also reject the Jewish organizations and their politically powerful leaders that purport to speak for all Jews.
They must arrogate to themselves the right to speak for themselves and for all Jews who are repulsed and disgusted by Zionism and its criminal history in Palestine, culminating in the cesspool of grotesque Israeli behaviors on display before the world in Gaza. The Zionists are deranged. Other Jews must separate themselves or be dragged under.
Posted by: Jane | Dec 26 2023 5:13 utc | 208
This is a video made by Richard Medhurst, apparently recorded on 19 December, analysing IOF casualty figures. It includes clips from videos released by Al-Qassam Brigades and Al-Quds Brigades.
https://rumble.com/v42itbx-hamas-fighting-videos.html
Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 26 2023 5:35 utc | 209
Random copy and pastes opposite of most of what is in these threads;
Posted by: g | Dec 26 2023 4:47 utc | 208
Of course what you copy and paste would be random.
Of course what you paste would be the opposite of truth.
That’s how hasbara works:
All that is Good declared Evil.
All that is Evil declared Good.
A Satanic Ritual of Inversion.
The Victim cursed and punished.
The Oppressor hailed as a Hero.
A Satanic Ritual of Inversion.
When Night they declare it Day.
When Day they declare it Night.
A Satanic Ritual of Inversion.
Murderers of Children Praised.
But their defenders are killed.
A Satanic Ritual of Inversion.
They follow a Rules Based Order.
Written in no book known to man.
While violating all written Law.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 7:34 utc | 210
What do barflies think of this?
At the end I see this:
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Anyone have a more optimistic view?
Posted by: pq | Dec 25 2023 16:14 utc | 157
Nothing new to offer here but to scoff as I usually do:
1. The subversion and diversion in these terms are clear for all who would see: Too much wiggle room, anything it seems to promise could turn out to be something else entirely. It’s not a contract, not a promise, not even an agreement.
As usual, as is the norm with terms set by The Empire, it binds the hands of the victim while leaving the oppressor free to do as he wishes.
2. These three bastard states, Egypt, Qatar and the United States, claim to offer “guarantees” yet cannot even stop the killing of a single Palestinian child. The betrayal is in the plan for a ‘phased ceasefire’, i.e continue murdering children while you navigate at leisure to a ceasefire.
A single child. They cannot even guarantee the life of. Bastard States.
If you want to know if there’s reason for “optimism” look at the parties involved in the deal:
Whores don’t sell virginity.
Crack dealers don’t sell cancer cures.
Gangsters don’t bring safety.
The parties constructing this deal have less integrity than whores, crack dealers or gangsters – nothing they produce will work, it is corrupt at inception.
Wake me up when Russia, China and perhaps India are the guarantors of a ceasefire deal.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 8:20 utc | 211
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 4:05 utc | 204
Understand fully.
Posted by: Menz | Dec 26 2023 10:01 utc | 212
Arnaud Bertrand
@RnaudBertrand
China is apparently impeding Israeli war efforts with bureaucracy: “Israeli tech firms startled by post-war Chinese paperwork load”
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/Economy/israeli-tech-firms-startled-by-post-war-chinese-paperwork-lo
China is reportedly now strictly enforcing “dual-purpose” rules on Israel, making it very difficult for Israeli firms to import products that could have a military application.
According to Israeli officials “no new forms or paperwork have been introduced by Chinese authorities or companies, however, concerned bodies are simply enforcing regulations that were previously ignored”.
As the article points out it’s especially ironic they’d complain about this since “Israeli authorities have included thousands of products in their sanctioned dual-purpose products, which are not allowed to enter the Gaza Strip, such as concrete.”
https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1739458145167253750
Posted by: Menz | Dec 26 2023 11:07 utc | 214
BTW, for the record, you are entirely in error regarding your notion of “anti-Christ” being a system, government, organization, or any such construct. The false ones will be individual persons.
Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 26 2023 0:09 utc | 187
Masih ad dajjal (socalled antichrist) will be a person. For sure. Hadith also said there will be 30 dajjals. Meaning innumerable dajjals. Dajjal means liar/deceiver. The main culprit needs a set up to enable his evil whenever he manifests himself. That requires existence of a facilitating environment, and system. College campuses, MEDIA, social, organizations, governmental, etc, etc.
Antichrist will attempt to impersonate Christ the Messiah (peace upon him) that is why he is called al masih ad dajjal.
Posted by: sal | Dec 26 2023 11:21 utc | 215
PQ you need to read the actual literature.
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 26 2023 3:13 utc | 198
I did. Then I grew up and discovered that literature is disconnected from empirical reality.
I do not question your knowledge or experience. I’m expressing my shock at stuff I discovered. If you have published an article somewhere to explain in detail why based on your EMPIRICAL observations, you find commercial bank FS to be “the truth” glad to read it.
It’s news to me that there is any “truth” in a commercial bank FS, especially a SIFI, and that this is done by economists and not accountants and auditors.
It is now impossible to figure out a banks risk profile from its FS because banks game the system.
Every line item in a SIFI FS is a mathematical model. It’s hardly an accounting number any more.
https://ideas.repec.org/a/eee/jaecon/v73y2022i2s0165410121000677.html
That’s without getting into capital markets revolving door.
https://scholarship.law.vanderbilt.edu/faculty-publications/1089/
Then central banks buy corporate bonds…
Ps: sorry to barflies for going off topic but as people have moved onto new thread, I went ahead.
Posted by: pq | Dec 26 2023 11:22 utc | 216
I questioned an important point ie the responsablilty of the wider jewish comunity for this war in Palistine.
I feel ther is a case to be anserwed. —Mark2
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Indeed.
Indeed.
Posted by: Jane | Dec 25 2023 14:05 utc | 141
I disagree.
The ONLY reason Israel is able to bomb and genocide innocent Palestinians is because of US aid both economically and militarily.
Who votes in the American government? The American people.
Lots of the Jewish community is protesting the Israel genocide-otherwise if you two get your wish you are , in fact, projecting ‘collective punishment’ to the wider Jewish community who have not voted in the disgraceful Likud government nor dropped any bombs in Gaza..
The responsibility is on Israel and the US.
Period.
Posted by: canuck | Dec 25 2023 14:24 utc | 142
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This post makes no sense.
“if you two get your wish you are , in fact, projecting ‘collective punishment’ to the wider Jewish community who have not voted in the disgraceful Likud government nor dropped any bombs in Gaza..”
Who is “you two”? What is “your wish”?
You just made up this wish yourself.
I am not going to waste more time discussing the point, which to me is obvious: The catastrophe in Palestine would not be possible without the decades-long support of powerful diaspora actors, especially in the USA. They provide the political carrots and sticks to their governments to support Israel, most obviously, in the USA, but not only in the USA.
If diaspora Jews do not want to tarred by the disaster, they must speak up loud and clear to put a wide moat between themselves and Zionism. They must also reject the Jewish organizations and their politically powerful leaders that purport to speak for all Jews.
They must arrogate to themselves the right to speak for themselves and for all Jews who are repulsed and disgusted by Zionism and its criminal history in Palestine, culminating in the cesspool of grotesque Israeli behaviors on display before the world in Gaza. The Zionists are deranged. Other Jews must separate themselves or be dragged under.”
My post makes no sense?
Because I blame the US government and the voters that put them in office for financing, enabling the Gaza genocide?
Does the Jewish diaspora send bombs to Gaza or ships? No they do not.
Many of the diaspora are protesting against the genocide so you include them too?
You argument has no rational basis in reality . You talk about diaspora Jews speaking out what about the rest of the population? Do they remain quiet?
Painting evereyone with the same brush in a general group clearly illustrates your lack of logic on this issue.
The jews that support israel support mass murder. And bare that criminal responsabilty,
They made their bed they will have to lay in it for at least 200 hundred years.
No sympathy from me or the sane world.
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 26 2023 12:15 utc | 218
The jews that dont support israel have a bit of sympathy from me, if they suffer hatred they should take their complaint up with israel, their own israel supporting polatitians and the jews that do support mass murder. They are the people responsable.
Acusations of anti semiatism are pure bullshit and a sign of guilt to the charge of supporting mass murder.
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 26 2023 12:28 utc | 219
If a jew or anyone else supoorts and encoarages mass murder they should be in prison as inciting a sereous crime.
Simple as that. After all these years of false anti semetic accusations i’m glad to be the one to finaly nail it to the wall.
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 26 2023 12:34 utc | 220
I just remembered:
The Goldstone Report found that Israel used human shields, not Hamas.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 26 2023 12:45 utc | 221
“The jews that dont support israel have a bit of sympathy from me, if they suffer hatred they should take their complaint up with israel, their own israel supporting polatitians and the jews that do support mass murder. They are the people responsable.
Acusations of anti semiatism are pure bullshit and a sign of guilt to the charge of supporting mass murder.”
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 26 2023 12:28 utc | 220
So even diaspora Jews that don’t support Israel and protest against the Israel genocide they should ‘suffer hatred’?
Your own obvious hatred mirrors the same distasteful emotion Zionists express towards Palestinians.
Your passion has overwhelmed your sense.
In my opinion, you are morally no better than the Zionists when you want ‘collective punishment’ utilized against innocent Jewish diaspora.
Canuck @ 223
See my @220
Ha ha ha
You just sprung your nasty little trap and it failed.
You were a suspect now your confirmend.
No integrity.
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 26 2023 13:29 utc | 223
Well am just about dealing with hangover and serious 5 hours of feasting around a table with nearest and dearest. No idea arty hats, crackers or dumb songs. Just a few of us grateful to be with each other and a few days of prepping. W
We remembered the Palestine.
The wretched Zionazis rounding up people and stripping them in a stadium – channeling directly what happened in Pinochet Chile on 9/11 – the original.
There are many young kids stripped , hands on head and even a baby! The father of whom has been looking after it single handed after the mother was killed by the illegal apartheid entities stormtroopers and blitzkrieg.
It turns out the Zionazis were directly involved in these times in the early 70’s! As revealed by the latest FOI docs! We have direct evidence now to call a spade a spade.
The illegal apartheid state formed immediately after the defeat of proxy Nazi Germans at the hands of the Red Army, seemed to have inherited more than a little of the brutal nazism they supposedly ‘survived’ ; it has supported Fascism , Nazism , xenophobia ever since as the vanguard of the zombiifying Holy Roman Empire that they have constantly shapeshifted through.
Israelis = Fascist supremacist.
J’accuse!
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 26 2023 13:52 utc | 224
MMT !
Still with this constant bird poop on every fucking thread?
Magic
Money
Tree
That is ALL these three letters MEAN.
If you do not realise that the alternative ‘’Theory” formulation is a joke for the magic money tree which has been around for CENTURIES – you obviously have no idea about the history of Money and Government Spending by daily CREATION of that MONEY, by starting a overdraft with its ‘Central Banker’.
At the end of the day that overdraft is re-set to zero – to restart the following morning – it’s the actual physical description of how the Magick Money Tree works every single fucking day and all else is illusion. I have proved it , I have posted actual Acts of Government that authorise it. I have posted links to the Bank of Englands annual accounts which clearly state the Operations of the Magic Money Tree – so please stop the constant merry go round – all it does is keep the never learning goldfish going round in circles here. Thanks.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 26 2023 14:06 utc | 225
Rivers 203
And take your Jew mobs back to Khazaria.
We don’t need them around either.
Posted by: anon | Dec 26 2023 16:18 utc | 226
g 208
Your Zionist kiddie killer chums are getting their arses kicked in Gaza.
Fighting people who fight back isn’t really their forte.
All they can do is murder and torture more kids and churn out a torrent of hate and lies every time they open their foul ugly lying mouths.
Posted by: anon | Dec 26 2023 16:25 utc | 227
148 Antonym
“Don’t look here, look over there, look at that flying pig!”
“We may be genociding the Palestinians, but so what, there have been other genocides, that’s just the way it is, suck it up, live with it, move on, and stop complaining as we murder thousands of babies.”
So isn’t it time for AIPAC and the Board of Deputies and Shlomo to stop kvetching and oy veying about the “holocaust” and extorting hundreds of billions from Germany, Switzerland, Austria, (Poland seems to be the latest mark of these blood sucking parasites) and just suck it up and move on? After all, 100 million were massacred in the North and South American Genocides, 10 million in the Belgian Congo from 1890-1910. Shlomo just needs to move on and stop living at everybody else’s expense.
Posted by: anon | Dec 26 2023 17:53 utc | 228
Nuanced, intelligent, Jewish analysis from David Goldman, aka Spengler.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/israel-in-the-shadow-of-american-decline/
For example:
A Ukrainian defeat in the form of a significant loss of territory and a long-term ceasefire would remind the rest of the world of Kissinger’s quip that it is dangerous to be an enemy of the United States, but fatal to be our friend.
Israel will have to deal with a less cooperative Russia that dallies with Iran, a China that seeks to exploit anti-colonial resentment in the Global South against Israel, a more assertive and better-armed Iran, and a vitiated American commitment to Western Asia. Its immediate problems are less dire than they appear: Except for Qatar and possibly some parts of the Turkish political spectrum, the rest of the world is happy to see Israel destroy Hamas. The Sunni jihad to which Hamas declares its allegiance is a persistent security problem for both Russia and China. Iran has armed and funded Hamas, but it does not want a Sunni entity to emerge as the main opposition to Israel. Israel’s long-term problems, though, are worse than they appear, and will come to the surface when the dust settles in Ukraine.
The event most likely to mitigate Israel’s strategic predicament would be the election of Donald Trump to a second term in 2024. Unlike the neoconservatives and global liberals presently in charge, Trump has no interest in regime change in Russia, and has no reason to perpetuate the blunders of others. He has pledged to end the war in Ukraine, which means cutting America’s losses. He is likely to maintain strong American support for Israel while limiting damage to America’s position abroad by conflict avoidance with Russia and China. Unlike the Biden foreign policy team, Trump has little interest in how other countries manage their affairs: his concern is the best deal for the United States.
Originally published at American Mind.