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Remember the Zionists go nowhere without the City-thus Anglo/Zionists
Posted by: canuck | Dec 22 2023 1:16 utc | 123
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I agree and continue to call out the God Of Mammon cult instead of positing that if the Zionists or Nazis were gone, all would be good……monotheism is just another proxy war for the global financial elite.
bevin is sensitive to folks positing that the City of London Corp may be a more significant center of the God Of Mammon cult than the US Fed owners. That said, most of the history he provides is insightful.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 22 2023 4:27 utc | 148
I agree; bevin, most of the time the history that he provides is , ‘insightful’- but, of course, like all of us he is not infallible. His ignorance of the City’s massive influence is certainly a major blind spot.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 22 2023 11:33 utc | 203

Jane @ 135:
I re-read the part I wrote that you asterisked. I did mean for that part to be general, to emphasise that Zionist beliefs and ideology might have come out of a selective mix of beliefs and ideologies that actually didn’t make sense put together.
The ideas and beliefs that came out of the Enlightenment, when mixed with other pre-Enlightenment beliefs, from perhaps Christian traditions, Jewish traditions and any other belief systems, would have had consequences in the way people viewed their world and history, and shaped their attitudes towards themselves and towards other peoples, especially other peoples in Asia, Africa, the Americas and Oceania. This worldview might have led to a hierarchical view of humans and their cultures, with European and other Western cultures at the top and non-Christian cultures at the bottom. This view was reinforced by a selective interpretation of Charles Darwin’s theory of natural selection when he published his work “On the Origin of Species” in the 1850s.
In many European societies in the 1800s and early 1900s, Jewish people were often the most educated people and were the basis of those societies’ middle classes. They would have been public bureaucrats, doctors, educators in universities and schools and journalists. They would have been the people most exposed to an eclectic mix of Enlightenment and other ideals and values, and many if not most of these beliefs espoused the notion that all humans could and should be categorised hierarchically on the basis of their supposed biological and intellectual achievements – or backwardness.
From the 1860s onwards, with European and Western colonialism rife throughout the world, industrialisation spreading across the West at the same time, and Christian missionaries active in many Western colonies, people came to the conclusion that Westerners were naturally superior to other peoples, and this idea was bolstered by the misuse of Darwin’s theories and discoveries and findings in other sciences that were then in their infancy (among them linguistics, archaeology and anthropology). Such misuse of scientific discoveries was used not only to justify imperialism / colonialism but also to deny women and working-class people equal rights and responsibilities and participation in the political process in Western nations.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 22 2023 11:45 utc | 205

From Jewpaedia (FWIW for those actual historians in our midst)

Himyarite Kingdom
The Himyarite Kingdom (Arabic: مملكة حِمْيَر, romanized: Mamlakat Ḥimyar, Hebrew: ממלכת חִמְיָר) or Himyar (Arabic: حِمْيَر, Ḥimyar; Ṣayhadic: 𐩢𐩣𐩺𐩧𐩣, Ḥmyrm), historically referred to as the Homerite Kingdom by the Greeks and the Romans (its subjects being called Homeritae), was a polity in the southern highlands of Yemen, as well as the name of the region which it claimed. Until 110 BCE, it was integrated into the Qatabanian kingdom, afterwards being recognized as an independent kingdom. According to classical sources, their capital was the ancient city of Zafar, relatively near the modern-day city of Sana’a.[1] Himyarite power eventually shifted to Sana’a as the population increased in the fifth century. After the establishment of their kingdom, it was ruled by kings from dhū-Raydān tribe. The kingdom was named Raydān.[4]
The kingdom conquered neighbouring Saba’ in c. 25 BCE (for the first time), Qataban in c. 200 CE, and Haḍramaut c. 300 CE. Its political fortunes relative to Saba’ changed frequently until it finally conquered the Sabaean Kingdom around 280.[5] Himyar then endured until it finally fell to invaders from the Kingdom of Aksum in 525 CE.[6]
The Himyarites originally worshiped most of the South-Arabian pantheon, including Wadd, ʿAthtar, ‘Amm and Almaqah. Since at least the reign of Abikarib Asʿad (c. 384 to 433 CE), Judaism was adopted as the de facto state religion. The religion may have been adopted to some extent as much as two centuries earlier, but inscriptions to polytheistic deities ceased after this date. It was embraced initially by the upper classes, and possibly a large proportion of the general population over time.[4]
Descendants of the Himyarites, namely the aristocratic families of Dhu’l-Kala and Dhu Asbah, played a prominent role in early Islamic Syria. They led the South Arabian contingents of the Muslim army during the conquest of Homs in 638 and contributed to making Homs a center for South Arabian settlement, culture and political power. Their chiefs supported Mu’awiya ibn Abi Sufyan against Caliph Ali in the First Muslim Civil War (656–661). Their influence waned with their defeat at the Battle of Marj Rahit against the Quda’a confederation and the Umayyad caliph Marwan I in 684 and practically diminished with the death of their leader at the Battle of Khazir in 686. Nonetheless, members of the Dhu’l-Kala and Dhu Asbah played important roles at different times through the remainder of Umayyad rule (661–750) as governors, commanders, scholars, and pietists.
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The form of Judaism practiced appears to have differed somewhat from rabbinic Judaism; for example, inscriptions found make no mention of the afterlife, suggesting that Himyarite Jews did not believe in the afterlife. It is possible that Himyarite Judaism descended from a non-rabbinic movement such as the Sadducees

Proximity and Affinity with the remnants of the Himyarite Kingdom, ostensibly a swarthy rabble roaming the sands of Arabia for centuries after the fall of the Hymyarite Kingdom?
A whole new can of worms here …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 22 2023 11:55 utc | 207

Five songs about Palestine:
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/solidarity-music-you-will-love-these-five-songs-about-palestine/
While all is going on, in the background, the PLO is being prepared to govern The West Bank and Gaza after the fighting is over.
Hussein al-Sheikh, the Secretary-General of the Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization, is being groomed to replace Abbas:
https://en.imarabic.com/the-palestinian-authority-pledges-to-hold-hamas-accountable-after-the-end-of-the-war/
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/uae-foreign-minister-and-plo-official-meet-abu-dhabi-discuss-ceasefire

Posted by: JB | Dec 22 2023 12:09 utc | 209

Videos of a pro-Palestinian demonstration at Toronto’s Eaton Centre on Sunday have gone viral after images emerged of a masked protester telling someone in the presence of Toronto police officers: “I’ll put you six feet deep.”
National Post:
The words are heard early in the video, which was widely shared on social media. A protester is seen pointing toward police officers who are in the mall, and saying: “I’ll put him on the ground.” He adds: “You come near I’ll put you lay down on the floor (sic) … I’ll put you six feet deep.” The camera then swings to take in the police, who look at one another as the man moves on.
https://nationalpost.com/news/ill-put-you-six-feet-deep-masked-pro-palestinian-protester-threatens-toronto-police-officer#:~:text=A%20protester%20is%20seen%20pointing,as%20the%20man%20moves%20on.
Posted by: ld | Dec 22 2023 7:10 utc | 175
Yes I heard all about the ‘incident’ on Toronto talk shows.
The irony is that the MSM are infuriated that a pro Palestinian man threatened a police office and didn’t get charged.
How about being infuriated with Israel bombing Gaza children indiscriminately?
For fucks sake-I hate provincial minded stupid Canadians!!

Posted by: canuck | Dec 22 2023 12:22 utc | 211

What goes up must come down, that is also a psychologicl fact.
The crazed killing frenzy by the izzies fuiled by adrenlin and endorohine will enevitably soon run out.
Run out as is its nature. And when that happens depression will set in. Along with the cold light of the reality of what they have done, and the harm it has done to the wider jewih people.
A self inflicted wound lasting hundreds of years.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 22 2023 12:38 utc | 213

Well the Ziocons did it. The US got the worthless wording it wanted.
The UN is finally ready to vote on a ceasefire in Gaza.
The US got the wording on the agreement watered down.
From:
“for a sustainable cessation of hostilities” was
changed to
“for creating the conditions for a sustainable cessation of hostilities”.
Do you see it?
They removed the beef from the Nothing Burger.

Posted by: librul | Dec 22 2023 13:45 utc | 215

The crazed killing frenzy by the izzies fuiled by adrenlin and endorohine will enevitably soon run out.
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 22 2023 12:38 utc | 218
This only applies to normal, fully functional human beings.
As someone pointed out on this forum, 90% of Izzraelis are not normal.
They are filtered and bred for their capacity for psychopathy and tolerance for cognitive dissonance.
There’s no “come down” for these people, it’s HATE HATE HATE permanently all the time like a cheap, noisy toy with a broken off-switch.
(The remaining 10% are irrelevant)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 22 2023 14:15 utc | 217

Arch Bungle @ 222
Beg to differ.
What ever the mind the body is a pysiological
machine when the fuil runs out you/it stop.
I speack as a life long adrenalin junky.
Moving on… were on the same page regards the pycopathic nature of this war.
As such heres a valuable aspect..
The izzies will be rubbish at predicting the outcome. Basicaly they and US UK have predictably ‘lost control’ i see it.
Example as a case in point….
(Q) how do you dispose of two million dead bodys in a small area the size of the ise of white, see a uk map. And that in front of the whole world watching on internet.
Its always the practical detail that trips up the mass murderer.. to qoute the great detective Calumbo.
Easy to over look the obveous.
Watch this space people are now dying of starvation and infection two months time imagine the scenes of horror….
TWO MILLION OF THEM.
Cheers and respect.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 22 2023 15:45 utc | 219

At some point in Afghanistan it occurred to me that these guys are Eurasian Rednecks. They have their farms and their families, they drive around in their 4x4Toyota pickups with their assault rifles, they’re religious conservatives and they just want to farm, live their lives and be left alone .
But if you do mess with them they will rain down holy hell. And they will defeat you. From Alexander the Great until modern times nobody has ever been able to defeat these Rednecks. Not for thousands of years. Why does the world keep messing with these people? They are clearly unbreakable and cannot be defeated.
Maybe bring them into the fold. They are characterized as prehistoric. They are not. I can tell you that they are much more politically sophisticated than the average Westerner. They can see through your bullshit immediately. Even the ones who are illiterate.
Maybe bring the Palestinians into the fold s well. In the course of fighting the Muslim for the last 30 years I have come to know the Muslims and Islam somewhat. Yes I will always be an infidel. I cannot speak Arabic and the Koran can only be truly understood if it is read and understood in Arabic. But I have developed the utmost respect for the Muslims and Islam.
The United States should be allied with Islam, not with Israel.

Posted by: RLTW | Dec 22 2023 21:38 utc | 221