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December 20, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-309
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A concept that bears mentioning here is FONOP or Freedom of Navigation Operations, which the US is now undertaking in Yemen. At least Lloyd Austin mentioned “freedom of navigation” in this context. The US has similar operations in the South China Sea and the Arctic Ocean. The FONOPs are of geopolitical importance. FONOPs were mentioned by Defense Politics Asia yesterday as it plays a role in what Malaysia is doing to Israeli vessels, which it is banning from docking in Malaysian ports. The FONOPs are (ostensibly or not) meant to safeguard international maritime traffic but they are still unilateral actions taken by the US and thus, on the other hand, one element in what the US regards as its security interests.
Defense Politics Asia said that it is illegal to close the Straits of Malacca, but I cannot find a legal instrument that forbids it. It is “illegal” in the sense that the US would not like it. What the US does not like is the “law” in the sense that China does not like disrupting its international trade either. Thus, Malaysia’s actions banning Israeli ships are a political statement rather than a meaningful quasi-military action. The Israeli ships will just dock in Singapore instead. Singapore, too, plays a role in the BRI as a financial and logistical hub supporting BRI-related projects and investments in the region, while it does not have physical BRI-related infrastructure like ports or railways.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 21 2023 8:53 utc | 201
Malaysia‘s boycott of Israeli linked shipping is likely a signal to other nations that it’s safe to stand against genocide and ethnic cleansing. TBD if other regional players join in. Agreed, that in short term Singapore will be used as way station for Israeli linked shipping, but that might change. TBD.
Note: Malaysia likely has long memories and a very good sense of who really shot down their 2 civilian airliners.
Posted by: Exile | Dec 21 2023 9:18 utc | 202
Johnathan @ 203
Ah yes freedom of navigation, also a very good metaphor for life.
Like the lack of freedom for Palistinians to navigate Palistine. Without izzie and US say so, freedom to fetch water without being bombed, freedom to obtain medical care for their children. Freedoms to navigate life we all take for granted, freedoms that have been usurped by the izzies.
Freedom to navigated, lets equate that to…
The right to self-determination.
Much respect to you and thanks for your input on The great MOA.
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 21 2023 9:21 utc | 203
“It just further shows how insane the United States is and how important it is to contain and
to isolate the United States – it’s time for the United States (and Israel) to be expelled from the United Nations.”
Unraveling the Paradox: U.S. Foreign Policy, Zionism, and the Call for Global Accountability
10 mins of cutting through the crap like a hot knife through butter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP_VMzuC6gk
Israel’s very existence is a crime against humanity.
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Because we Jews have been there, know what it looks like, know how it feels, know the excuses as well, I’m astounded that this slaughter is framed as self defense.
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The west bank atrocities by the Israeli settlers/invaders has to be talked about. The cruelty of these people seems to know no bounds
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It is a pity that it has taken this long for people’s eyes to be opened to what Israel has been doing, but this did not start on October 8th, this has been going on for more than 70 years and we have not just ignored it but actively supported it.
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Talk about kids who’s limbs have been blown off. Innocent Children in prison for years without any trial, terrorised and abused. The Palestinians have suffered enough at the hands of the IDF. What would you do if someone came in the middle of the night and took away your children and kicked you out of your home?
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Don’t worry about the criticism you receive, James. You’re absolutely right about this. The IDF are out of control.
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I say thank you for speaking up against this horror show. I can not understand what else will take a human to realize what’s going on in Gaza and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
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It’s not a conflict it’s 75 years old occupation.
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Hey James, you left out the fact that the IDF drove bulldozers over an area of tents outside of a hospital in Gaza, housing wounded and people seeking shelter, killing them under the tracks of the bulldozers. In some of the reports on this atrocity wild, hungry cats can be seen eating some of the bodies.
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The contempt that the Israeli government, the IDF and their supporters have for Palestinians is being seen now by the world. But this contempt began when Palestinians were forcibly removed from their homes in 1948. This is blocked out of the minds of Israeli apologists so they can pretend that Oct 7th happened in a vacuum.
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“Anti-Zionism is not Anti-Semitism” – Free Palestine ☝️🇵🇸🏴🇮🇪❤️
James O’Brien praises listeners for educating him on Israel-Gaza conflict
LBC Dec 18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb1pMreW58Q
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 21 2023 9:50 utc | 205
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/12/palestine-open-thread-2023-309/comments/page/1/#comments
The problem with Bahrain is that the population is largely Shi’ite while the ruling clan is not.
Posted by: bevin | Dec 20 2023 16:37 utc | 18
I have not been urging any party in Bahrain to ‘kick the US out.” I am merely pointing out that there is a majority in the Bahraini population which wants a parliamentary system, it was repressed when the Saudis came to the government’s rescue not long ago.
Posted by: bevin | Dec 20 2023 18:48 utc | 48
Setting aside the issue of Bahrain specifically (and how much of its “pro-democracy” population is genuine vs the violent colour revolution shit disturbers funded by Western NGOs) I disagree strongly with our reflexive championing of “democracy” to hydrocarbon rich countries we need to keep on a tight leash. We first install vassals (because we need pro Empire stability to keep the oil flowing) , then we accuse them of repression and fund opposition to keep them under threat. This is the formula.
We should first figure out how to make our own democrazies work. We provide NEITHER political freedom NOR the four fundamentals of economic wellbeing: decent jobs, homes, healthcare and education. What we in fact try to export are our sham democrazies:
Palestine: Hamas wins so let’s have a 17 year siege of Gaza and keep a hated collaborator at the PA without elections. No matter what we must ensure that the only party that defends Palestinians must not govern.
Sounds great in theory but the requisites and safeguards of democrazy are too easily corrupted. Look at the evidence: Genocide Joe, Turdeau, Scholz, Sunak, Cruella Braverman…. In North America there is a corporate kleptocracy while the EU has abandoned all pretenses. Italy: The Goldman Sachs banker Mario Draghi and private equity guy from London Vittorio Collao were parachuted into “government” to get their hands on the industrial assets of Italian SMEs.
The “repressive” GCC countries are expected to and do provide their people with the four things I mentioned above: housing, jobs, healthcare, education. So did Gaddafi and Saddam.
I am NOT defending or excusing HR abuses. I am saying we need to stop being democrazy evangelists for others. Many NATO countries participate actively in torture programs, e.g. Lithuania hosted a CIA torture base. Outside NATOstan these NATO instigated colour revolution protesters are extremely violent. Within NATO, I see perfectly peaceful protesters being brutalized by police over the last 25 years. With my own eyes. We need to stop preaching.
Ps: I appreciate most of your contributions but on Bahrain you are echoing MSM / NGO talking points and they are not neutral observers. Bahrain is not “largely” Shi’ite. There are no precise figures. This data was NOT collected in the 2020 census. One of the last census in 1941 showed an almost even split between Sunni and Shia . The opposition guy from the article you linked said Bahrain should not participate in the Genocide flotilla. I agree. Yet that requires denying the US the use of the base in Bahrain.
Instead of criticizing Bahrain he could prioritize and target the source of genocide and criticize Israel / US. But he does not criticize the US / UK because he is funded by a US / UK NGO…see how that works?
Posted by: pq | Dec 21 2023 10:01 utc | 206
Someone asked a few threads ago where Izzrael’s wealth came from:
‘Cashing in on Genocide’: Israeli Firm Pitches Beachfront Real Estate in Leveled Gaza
And other things similar to the above, and I bet no small part from the organ harvesting and human trafficking racket they run from South Africa to Ukraine …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 21 2023 10:08 utc | 207
@Arch Bungle
The accusation of the Jewish Zionists being Nazis seems to hold a lot more water than I first thought:
1. Master Race complex? Check.
2. Aspirations of Lebensraum? Check.
3. Willingness to commit ethnic cleansing to achieve it? Check.
4. Classification of a people as “untermenschen”? Check.
5. Glorification of technology and science as a means to achieve domination? Check.
6. Perpetual search for “wunderwaffen”? Check.
I’m absolutely convinced that the young Hitler read the works of the Zionists during his years in pre-war Vienna and was influenced by their ideas. After the WWI, he simply reversed these ideas by creating his “Weltanschauung”.
Another example: “Degenerate art (German: Entartete Kunst) was a term adopted in the 1920s by the Nazi Party in Germany to describe modern art. During the dictatorship of Adolf Hitler, German modernist art, including many works of internationally renowned artists, was removed from state-owned museums and banned in Nazi Germany on the grounds that such art was an “insult to German feeling” (…) The term Entartung (or “degeneracy”) had gained currency in Germany by the late 19th century when the critic and author Max Nordau devised the theory presented in his 1892 book Entartung.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_art
Max Simon Nordau was a co-founder of the Zionist Organization together with Theodor Herzl, and president or vice-president of several Zionist congresses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Nordau
The German Jew Victor Klemperer pointed out the parallels between Zionism and Nazi ideology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Klemperer
Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 21 2023 10:28 utc | 208
Arch Bungle @ 210
Where dose israels wealth come from ?
A massive amount comes from the pharmasutical industry.
Think how many americans are addicted to unnessersary sedatives and pain killers. That is coecive contol. Think of the monsanto/bayer agri chemical industry, coercive control, check.
How many trillions right ther. Ditto in the UK half the public are walking zombies.
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 21 2023 11:07 utc | 209
I’m old enough to be spared most of the imminent climate catastrophe.
Posted by: grunzt | Dec 20 2023 22:43 utc | 101
Thanks for the laugh!
Posted by: Jeremy | Dec 21 2023 11:09 utc | 210
Perhaps connecting too many dots here, but yesterday’s headline “Ireland to take UK to ECHR over ban on Troubles-era court cases” sounds almost like an echo of Ireland’s relatively pro-Palestinian foreign policy as opposed to the UK’s pro-Israel position especially now under Lord Cameron.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 21 2023 11:09 utc | 211
@ pq | Dec 21 2023 10:01 utc | 209
Spot on. The real facts matter, and keep an eye on the actual perpetrators doing all the killing all the time.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 21 2023 11:15 utc | 212
Where dose israels wealth come from ?
A massive amount comes from the pharmasutical industry.
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 21 2023 11:07 utc | 212
As it happens Malaysia and Singaoore just issued warnings about rising COVID cases. Too many dots?
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 21 2023 11:16 utc | 213
JohnathanW @ 214
Ireland suffered genicide at the hands of the English over a million died.
The torys love the good old Empire days, palistine now will give them a warm sence of nostalgia. Emblematic with the Union Jack flag. I would’nt wipe my arse with it.
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 21 2023 11:19 utc | 214
Where dose israels wealth come from ?
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 21 2023 11:07 utc | 212
The Theft of Palestine, US Welfare, and Pleonexia
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 21 2023 11:19 utc | 215
Jonathan @ 216
Exactly profit from control and monsterous exploitation, genraly speacking a jewish modus operandi.
(Disclimer…other jews are also avalable)
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 21 2023 11:28 utc | 217
Lavrov’s Dog
Ha ha ha i like your style, black humour.
Its laugh or cry. Both emotions are appropreate here i think. Good therapy.
We have to preserve our personal wellbeing.
Keep strong fight back.
Any way iv got some wood to split, every log looks like netinyahoo, i never miss, makes me feel real good.
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 21 2023 11:41 utc | 218
I post this about the nature of Hamas, which is important to understand because of the manifold Hamas role in Palestine. Also in order not fall into the traps set by the many who persist in misrepresenting Hamas as an Islamist and or terrorist organisation, or brand it extremist (whatever that means) which attaches to it a negative association of odium and fear.
Taken from Pepe Escobar VK:
In this interview, Alastair Crooke speaks (12:40) of his meeting with the founder of Hamas:
“He said that Hamas is a liberation movement. He didn’t say it was an Islamic movement, in fact he said it wasn’t an Islamic movement, it was a liberation movement for people who are occupied, and he said so Christians can join it, Druze can join it, I could join Hamas if I want, as a liberation movement.
This was quite at odds like with the ethos of the time, which was Islamist. That is political Islam, which has dogma and it has an ideology. He was rejecting this completely. He imposed no dogma, it was about liberating people under occupation.
…So it is an sense a liberation movement, and it is a representation, or in following al-Aqsa. Linking it to al-Aqsa, they’re linking it to the whole Islamic civilization of the last thousand years or so—this long period of a great civilization in science and literature and poetry and so on.
By linking it not to a particular movement or branch of Islam—so to al-Aqsa, which is the icon of this whole civilization, but it’s not Shia, it’s not
Sunni, it is not Muslim Brotherhood, it is not Wahhabi, it is not Salafist—they very cleverly, they’ve given it a sort of Islamic cultural tone but no
ideology, no dogma, no doctrine.
Anyone who is Muslim, anyone who is Christian, and wants to join in the liberation from occupation, as he said, was free to join it.
This is why it’s so potent at the moment, because you know it actually really very much chimes with what’s happening all around the world…it is a new independence push that is coming from the Global South and from from all around the world. They don’t want to be under hegemony. They want to break loose from Western hegemony. They don’t want any more of colonialism, they want to regain their sovereignty.
So, Hamas gelled very well with the wider ethos that is promoted both by China and Russia and the BRICS as a whole. It’s something which has much wider ramifications. I think it explains why so many on the ground in the rest of the region, I mean the huge support there is now for Hamas. If it was just for the Muslim Brotherhood or a particular orientation of Islam, it wouldn’t be there. But they’re standing for something bigger, they’re standing for something more important. It fits very well with this whole idea of moving from a unipolar world to a multipolar world, a multi-polar world of civilizational values.
…It’s an idea, it’s a spirit, it’s a sort of sense of justice—Justice in the big sense of the word, the pursuit of justice and the pursuit of the independence of human beings. So it has a huge appeal and cannot be defeated.”
https://www.youtube.com/live/ycaUEzFoZ3Q?si=YFl48a3XL..
Posted by: JB | Dec 21 2023 11:54 utc | 219
Posted by: JB | Dec 21 2023 11:54 utc | 222
Sounds like Israel’s stated goal of rooting out Hamas is backfiring spectacularly. Israel is just generating more sympathy for it. They can’t root out everybody can they?
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 21 2023 12:11 utc | 220
“I’m old enough to be spared most of the imminent climate catastrophe. ”
Posted by: grunzt | Dec 20 2023 22:43 utc | 101
There is no “imminent climate catastrophe”; the earth’s climate has been changing for 4 billion years. There is no such thing as ‘man made climate change.
Currently, the earth is coming out of an ice age and when that happens temperatures go up, more C)2 is made and the planet grows more plants.
I would suggest you educate yourself and look up the “Younger/Dryas ” (1) epoch which was from 12,800 years ago till 11,700 years ago where in a few years temps changed 20 degrees when hitting a meteor shower THAT CAUSED MASSIVE EXTINCTIONS -that IS the thing to worry about.
1. https://www.britannica.com/science/Younger-Dryas-climate-interval
Behold! The first barrages from Gaza for the day:
14:26 Islamic Resistance fighters target Al-Jerdah position with the appropriate weapons: statement
14:18 Israeli media: The new barrage fired from Gaza towards Tel Aviv is the heaviest since the start of the war
14:14 Al-Qassam Brigades pounds central ‘Israel’, Ashkelon as Israeli media says some 30 rockets fired from Gaza
Those who celebrated the delay will weep at the intensity.
And the day is yet young …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 21 2023 12:43 utc | 222
Anyone who is Muslim, anyone who is Christian, and wants to join in the liberation from occupation, as he said, was free to join it.
Posted by: JB | Dec 21 2023 11:54 utc | 222
As a Buddhist I feel discriminated against.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 21 2023 12:45 utc | 223
Re: Victor Klemperer
Most of us have read a few carefully selected excerpts from his diaries I shall bear Witness . If one reads the diaries in their entirety, one notes Klemperer often mentions Jewish Nazis, as he calls them. It’s a running sub-theme is his diaries.
In this respect, Klemperer stands with Arendt and Einstein who also warned of the fascist nature of the Likudniks.
Posted by: Exile | Dec 21 2023 13:11 utc | 224
Lebanese TV reports:
Al-Quds Brigades and Al-Qassam Brigades detonate Israeli Merkava with explosive device in Al-Magharka in central Gaza Strip
Comment: tally now 125 claimed
Posted by: Exile | Dec 21 2023 13:17 utc | 225
Posted by: canuck | Dec 21 2023 12:17 utc | 224
I’ve been warned that climate change is none of the things you can take for granted at MoA. Many of us may be thinking it must be wrong because the mainstream has adopted it … along with other trends like the covid episode, or wokeness/cancel culture. But rejection of a thesis, because it is mainstream, is without scientific merits.
Instead, every topic needs to be studied in its own right. It is a fact that glaciers are retreating worldwide, while the CO2 level has risen from 280 ppm in preindustrial times to 420 ppm today. And climbing further on a steady path. The glaciers are more than a symptom, they are essential in many parts of the world, where they supply much needed water to the rivers during summertime.
I’ll even concede that most of the efforts being taken to get the CO2 level under control appear like helpless activism. Imo, the electric car is not the solution, but an additional burden. No wonder that such inept remedies lead to compliance problems. However, none of this renders the diagnosis invalid.
My apologies about the OT, but I was challenged on this thread.
Posted by: grunzt | Dec 21 2023 13:25 utc | 226
Arch Bungle 226
Buddhists believe that the world is an illusion and emotion is the experience of karma.
Muslims believe that God is swift in punishment/ reward, but that awareness of God is a solider than concrete reality in that it exists in the spiritual currency of the Achirah/ real next life, though faith in God might seem insignificant here.
A Muslim family has a car crash or a warehouse fire. The response is alhamdulillah, so the remembrance of God outweighs the trauma and inconvenience of the event.
The Muslims sees life as a series of ayah s , events in which God is explaining something to us, like Karma, but with emphasis on self-knowledge, what it feels like to be on the receiving end of good or evil.
Therefore I see Buddhism as a divinely inspired religion gone wrong. The original teaching of self-knowledge has been retained, but the relationship with God has been forgotten and replaced a state or idol. There but for fortune go all human beings, becoming object worshippers ( including holy men/ women worshippers ) instead of God worshippers.
What is God teaching me right now while my Muslim brothers and sisters are being nuked by Britain and America? Its telling me loud and clear that Western governments are deeply revolting pagans, and I ought get out of here.
In fact there’s no justification for Muslims to live here, unless actively proselytising our belief and trust in God.
So you never know , you might fit in the category of Muslim. It all depends what’s in the heart. You can borrow my OAP bus pass if you like in which case it more depends on the colour of your beard.
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 21 2023 13:48 utc | 227
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 21 2023 13:48 utc | 230
There is always an illuminating wisdom to your posts. This one’s no exception. I would very much like a recommendation from you as to where to start reading so that I can learn more about the philosophical path that Islam represents. This is OT, of course, so perhaps next time there is an Open Thread you can post some pointers there for me.
Posted by: Mexicana | Dec 21 2023 14:03 utc | 228
There is an angle to the Gaza affair hat we have not really looked at. If you listen to what Zionists of every ilk are saying it is this: that the US and especially the Obama/Biden team are paying Iran billions in other contexts like releasing American hostages or the nuclear deal and Iran uses that money to train proxies like Hamas which then attack Israel. Hence the headline in The Tablet: Iran orchestrated the Oct 7 attack and America paid for it. You can almost hear the lawsuits waiting to happen – against the US by Israel and its fans, just wait:
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/iran-america-october-massacre?_se=bXV0aGVuQGludG5ldC5tdQ%3D%3D&utm_campaign=Extremism+Roundup+2023-12-21&utm_medium=email&utm_source=brevo
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 21 2023 14:30 utc | 229
Muslims, Jews, and Christians are connected by stories in the Book of the Old Testament, which stories are centrally located in the Book of Genesis where Jacob the second son of Isaac the son of Abraham, on his way to betrothal, wrestles with God and is lamed but given the name Israel. See how that replicates the story of Adam and Eve, male and female created He them. Genesis retells the Creation story over and over, and whilst it gives priority to the Jewish version,(because traditionally told by Moses as he came down from the mountain of God), it nonetheless does make mention of the Muslim antecedents, and for Christians is meaningfully enfolded into Christ.
So, Genesis is multipolarity envisioned for those three faiths as seen by each of them in their three separate holiest of books: The Koran, The Torah, The New Testament; which can be in the coming days the foundation of a community in Israel that like the phoenix is reborn from the ashes of the old, encorporating the best purposes of each faith practised in harmony and peace.
Christmas? It won’t be yet for the Russian Orthodox, but does come now the sun standing still, the solstice, and the magi from the east are following the star…
Posted by: juliania | Dec 21 2023 14:38 utc | 230
No matter what it may look like, no love is lost between the US and Israel if you scratch beneath the surface.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 21 2023 14:41 utc | 231
On the subject of the Undeniable recognition of the Khazarian Empires stranglehold in EurAsia being blown a Millenia ago and their unrelenting intrigues at regaining their Power through the use of the weapon/god/religion of Money. They did need a cover religion to hide behind and chose the proto Christian genesis story of Judaism. A religion of Semitic peoples of the Levant. Which has blighted the hapless semites of today over the last century.
So as some posters have identified:
@Arch Bungle
The accusation of the Jewish Zionists being Nazis seems to hold a lot more water than I first thought:
1. Master Race complex? Check.
2. Aspirations of Lebensraum? Check.
3. Willingness to commit ethnic cleansing to achieve it? Check.
4. Classification of a people as “untermenschen”? Check.
5. Glorification of technology and science as a means to achieve domination? Check.
6. Perpetual search for “wunderwaffen”? Check.
Max Simon Nordau was a co-founder of the Zionist Organization together with Theodor Herzl, and president or vice-president of several Zionist congresses
The German Jew Victor Klemperer pointed out the parallels between Zionism and Nazi ideology.
@ Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 21 2023 10:28 utc | 211
In this respect, Klemperer stands with Arendt and Einstein who also warned of the fascist nature of the Likudniks.
@ Posted by: Exile | Dec 21 2023 13:11 utc | 227
There is in effect not a cigarette paper between the Zionazis and their baby Hitlers Nazis. They are all creatures of the ever expanding Anglo European Imperialism wholly funded and directed by those Old Slavers and Traders of Khazaria as they have shapeshifted through history.
The string pullers always hiding behind the Nation States they created and the Monarchs and Churches they used to control the peoples of these nations. Even using actual judaeophobia in many instances – they don’t care they were never ‘real judaists’ just make believe mass converts as I have stated the history previously.
This is how we get a ‘white . European, tribe’ in the Semitic lands of the Levant !
Claiming under some bloody sheepskin of the actual Semitic peoples to cover their bloody wolf highway robber origins.
That is how the current crop of illegal apartheid entities settlers and supporters throughout the Zionist unipolar imperium have such Spiritual Masters guiding their political and military Nazi mindsets:
What makes IDF so berserk that they mindlessly kill anyone including their own citizens ?
It turns out the commander who shot the 3 shirtless unarmed Israelis – also previously shot 4 unarmed shirtless Israelis , still they carry on shooting civilians , even in churches. As confirmed by U.K. bishop.
‘@MyLordBebo
10h
🇵🇸🇮🇱‼️🚨 CRAZY: An Israeli company commander wants to kill every man in Gaza and kidnapp every woman and child to restore ‘the honor’ of Israel ‘
https://nitter.net/MyLordBebo/status/1737609120662880515#m
& how they have been primed to do just that level of mindless violence – every single mf one of these needs to be hauled into prison for life.
‘@MyLordBebo
Dec 19
🇮🇱‼️🚨 INSANE: “Being the slave of a Jew is the best!”
— Israeli military academy teachings, by David Sheen
Must watch, pretty crazy stuff. ‘
https://nitter.net/MyLordBebo/status/1737255275164254644#m
There is no way anyone can support the illegal apartheid entity in the Levant which has had such a xenophobic, self declared superiors of all mankind ‘European’ invaders landed upon it.
Not unless that is support of the belief that the rest are of us are just their willing slaves as taught to the insane commanders and children of that illegal state.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 21 2023 14:47 utc | 232
You can borrow my OAP bus pass if you like in which case it more depends on the colour of your beard.
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 21 2023 13:48 utc | 230
Discrimination heaped upon discrimination!
In any case, I suspect the problem is that Islam views Buddhists as true infidels.
Not being “of the book”, makes us eligible for all kinds of punishments and mischief.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 21 2023 14:47 utc | 233
That could explain the seemingly tame statements from Russia: let the US and Israel destroy each other.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 21 2023 14:47 utc | 234
The insanity of Russia’s position is driving me mad; they’re essentially doing the same as if they equated ex-Ukrainian nazi murderers with ex-Ukrainian Russians dead at the hands of those nazis and then talking about them as equal victims. No, words genuinely fail me.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 21 2023 7:39 utc | 197
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I am glad someone else here gets this obvious point.
Posted by: Jane | Dec 21 2023 14:47 utc | 235
Ever wonder how the bombed civilians deal with the ongoing cruelty? I came across a video which explains their mindset. Truly inspiring.
Sorry if this a repeat post but it is a must see, a powerful message.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OOkvVzvg8A
What Makes Palestinians So Strong?
Posted by: sal | Dec 21 2023 14:54 utc | 236
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 21 2023 14:47 utc | 235
They are all creatures of the ever expanding Anglo European Imperialism wholly funded and directed by those Old Slavers and Traders of Khazaria as they have shapeshifted through history.
The string pullers always hiding behind the Nation States they created and the Monarchs and Churches they used to control the peoples of these nations. Even using actual judaeophobia in many instances – they don’t care they were never ‘real judaists’ just make believe mass converts as I have stated the history previously.
This is how we get a ‘white . European, tribe’ in the Semitic lands of the Levant !
Claiming under some bloody sheepskin of the actual Semitic peoples to cover their bloody wolf highway robber origins.
This is the cabal I’ve been referring to all these years on this site.
Some rail at me for anti-semitism but most know I speak of the “shapeshifters” exactly as you’ve described them.
They do indeed rule the Western world and the only reason they’ve failed to rule places like China is because that culture exhausts their capacity to shapeshift.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 21 2023 14:57 utc | 237
Arch Bungle 236
Ha ha ha. Discrimination can be a positive word. A person of great discernment and discrimination.
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 21 2023 15:02 utc | 238
This picture published via X at Middle East Eye is worth a lot more than a thousand words- it is the history of the State of Israel.
https://twitter.com/RamiJarrah/status/1737769870165504215
Posted by: bevin | Dec 21 2023 15:12 utc | 239
Yemen is the poorest country in the world, with untold numbers of its people killed and starved in the western/ Shady Wahabia aggression of the past few years.
But now Yemen is imposing its own sanctions on the Zionist Regime, the US and its western jackals and poodles.
These countries are used to imposing sanctions on Syria, Iran, Venezuela, Russia, China, all the rest of the world.
Now the boot is on the other foot. Maybe others will follow suit. They like dishing it out. Let’s see how good they are at taking it.
Posted by: anon | Dec 21 2023 15:13 utc | 240
this link might work better
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-live-gaza-war-hamas-ceasefire
Posted by: bevin | Dec 21 2023 15:14 utc | 241
222. “So Hamas gelled very well with the wiser ethos that is promoted both by China and Russia and the BRICS as a whole. It is something that has much wider ramifications. Hamas…is standing for something bigger ..more important.It fits with…moving from a unipolar world to a multipolar world…of civilizational values.”
This effectively says what should be the hope button it also reveals the problem people (myself included) are having with Russia currently. I remember after the beginning of Russia’s SMO in Ukraine how the this desire for sovereignty coming from the Global South became palpable and people were looking at Russia, how it was taking on the hegemon and Putin tuned this desire for freedom that was emanating from the South and he caught this up in his rhetoric portraying Russia as taking leader ship of this possibility that Russia’s principled fight in Ukraine would bring about the reality desired by most of the world (excluding the West) and he continued on instrumental putting the BRICS together talking about the ‘bringing together the multipolar world of civilizational values’ aptly stated by you.
But here’s the thing people are objecting to. Now Palestine has happened and you either take some action to recogniZe or obstruct the genocide Israel is perpetuating on the Palestinians or you quit with the rhetoric that was appropriate for fighting USNATO in Ukraine but is extremely hypocritical when applied to your lack of any action on Palestinians except beating what looks like the dead horse of the UNSC unless you find a way to kick the vetoing US out. Everybody has known for some time what Russia said weeks ago how the US derailed the group of 4, the UN, US, Russia and another were to fix the problem of Palestinians so it’s always been the US fault . True, but not sufficient reason to do nothing, Russia, but talk the same talk you were talking re. Your success on the Ukraine threat. Time to get off the high horse until Palestine is free
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Any old lies are good enough for the Zionist hasbara merchants.
The more brazen and the more ludicrous the better.
A hospital lift shaft is a Hamas command centre.
A calendar on a wall becomes a sinister Hamas document.
200 dead Hamas fighters become “murdered Israeli civilians.”
Israeli civilians killed by cowardly, trigger happy Zionist kiddie killer troops become Hamas victims, “40/ 50/ 6 million beheaded babies” and “babies cooked in ovens.”
I’m only surprised they weren’t “turned into soap and lamp shades” as well. The old favourites are always the best.
A bit part Israeli actress larping as a Palestinian hospital nurse.
Every word that comes out of the mouths of these people is a lie. They lie with every breath, reflexively and brazenly. And it is all swallowed whole by the lying corporate media and western whore politicians.
Posted by: anon | Dec 21 2023 15:36 utc | 245
Every word that comes out of the mouths of these people is a lie. They lie with every breath, reflexively and brazenly. And it is all swallowed whole by the lying corporate media and western whore politicians.
Posted by: anon | Dec 21 2023 15:36 utc | 248
As I have said time and time again:
“The Jewish Zionist Lies Even When It Is Telling The Truth”
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 21 2023 15:54 utc | 246
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 21 2023 7:39 utc | 197
Suddenly RT and Sputnik manages to sound no better than the shit MSM that drove me to them. When they open their mouth on the topic an unbearable stench emanates.
Two months and two weeks! There’s no defense for neither the genocide nor the inaction. They are all complicit now.
If I defended them I would feel complicit too, so I will not.
“Operation Protecting Genocide” (Operation Prosperity Guardian) clearly has many more participants than the ones officially listed; Russia might as well admit they’re in on Israels side.
The insanity of Russia’s position is driving me mad; they’re essentially doing the same as if they equated ex-Ukrainian nazi murderers with ex-Ukrainian Russians dead at the hands of those nazis and then talking about them as equal victims. No, words genuinely fail me.
I feel similarly, and thanks for expressing that. Have been cynical about the West since the 80’s. For a while I greatly admired Putin but after the global Covid response am now cynical about multipolarism. RT news is slightly more trustworthy but of course is limited hangout par excellence. Speaking of which, this from the latest piece by CJ Hopkins, recently on trial for mocking masks in Germany: https://cjhopkins.substack.com/p/the-year-of-the-mindfuck
The mindfucking started in January with the birth of the Musk Cult and the whitewashing of Twitter, and the trickle of “revelations” about “mistakes that were made” during the “Covid pandemic.” The Powers That Be needed to memory-hole the story of what actually happened (and didn’t actually happen) in 2020-2022 and enshrine the official Covid narrative in history. To achieve this they needed to mindfuck some people, not the Covidian cultists who they had already mindfucked, the other people, who they hadn’t been able to mindfuck. It was obvious that we were about to be subjected to The Mother of All Limited Hangouts.
If your memory of what actually happened (and didn’t actually happen) in 2020 is little hazy, here’s an excerpt from that column, which I published in January.
“In March and April of 2020, in the course of roughly five to six weeks, the majority of societies throughout the world were transformed into pathologized-totalitarian police states. A global ‘shock-and-awe’ campaign was conducted. Constitutional rights were suspended. The masses were locked down inside their homes, where they were subjected to the most massive official propaganda blitzkrieg in human history. Goon squads roamed the streets of Europe, the USA, the UK, Canada, Australia, Asia, the Americas, and elsewhere, beating and arresting people for being outdoors without permission and not wearing medical-looking masks. Corporate media around the world informed us that life as we knew it was over … a ‘New Normal’ was coming, and we needed to get used to it. The entire official pandemic narrative was rolled out during those first few weeks. Everything. Masks. Mandatory ‘vaccines.’ ‘Vaccination passports.’ The segregation of ‘the Unvaccinated.’ The censorship and demonization of dissent. Everything. The whole ‘New Normal’ package. It was rolled out all at once, globally.”
Now, over three years later, the facts are indisputably clear to everyone but the hopelessly brainwashed. There was no global epidemiological emergency … no legitimate justification whatsoever for that initial “shock-and-awe” campaign, or the totalitarian “New Normal” it ushered into being.
Anyways: am now resistant to the cartoonish story that the Noble RoW is battling the Wicked Western Hegemon. What is the SMO, really? Have half a million men really died there recently (compared to 58,000 US KIA in Vietnam)? If so, why? Is this not a huge failure of world leadership, including Russian, which can coordinate instantly on Covid but not on relatively minor internal housekeeping? Within Russia, patriotic types are the most critical of Putin yet we read nothing of their POV, only Putin-as-Hitler or Putin-as-Bismark.
And now this newsfest slaughter in Gaza, with every single story coming out of ‘our’ side fake – hostages, Hamas etc, all garbage, though presumably real children are being brutally murdered each and every day. Yet another clear and present failure of world leadership which creates but cannot prevent such unholy crimes.
IF multipolarism is not as it appears, maybe that explains why we are frustrated. Because the hero-versus-villain scenarios we instinctively embrace are BS or, more politely if you prefer, incomplete oversimplifications.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 21 2023 15:54 utc | 249
As I have said time and time again:
“The Jewish Zionist Lies Even When It Is Telling The Truth”
a) just remember: proponents of such classic tribal drivel are mindfuck victims too.
b) the latest email update from Peter Myers on my friend’s site: https://sitrepworld.info/peter-myers-digest-jewish-supremacy-is-a-religion/
KEVIN BARRETT • DECEMBER 17, 2023
<“>https://rumble.com/embed/v3z0ydx/?pub=4> Video Link
The Jews of Poland, naturally, were the first to <“>https://www.polin.pl/en/statement-concerning-antisemitic-behavior-mp-grzegorz-braun> condemn Braun and his fans:
On December 12, 2023, MP Grzegorz Braun of the Konfederacja party attacked the Hannukah menorah, symbol of the joyful Jewish holiday, during a debate on the establishment of a new Polish government. This shameful attack is not the first incident involving this politician, who does not hide his antisemitic views.
(It goes on like this for several paragraphs.)
Jewish-dominated Western media naturally agree that Braun is a bigot and that his actions were shameful and indefensible. At first glance, they seem to have a point. Violently attacking a religious symbol, under normal circumstances, would certainly qualify as bigotry (and, to the adherents of the religion in question, blasphemy.) Even Braun’s defenders would no doubt admit that if he had gone around kicking in doors of private houses or synagogues, barging into houses of worship or living rooms, and dousing Menorah candles with a fire extinguisher, he would have been committing an abhorrent and unfunny crime.
But by dousing the official Menorah candelabra in the Polish House of Parliament during the formation of a new government, Braun was not attacking the Jewish religion per se. He was, instead, symbolically extinguishing the fires of hatred burning in the heart of the West’s new hegemonic religion: Jewish Supremacy.
Braun succeeded in raising the million-dollar question: What was that lit-up Menorah doing in the Polish parliament building in the first place? There are only about 4500 Jews among Poland’s 38 million people. That works out to .012 percent of the population.
More than 90% of Poles are Catholics. Obviously most of them are not fans of Talmudic Judaism, which calls Jesus a b**d, his mother Mary a w**e, and claims the former is boiling in excrement for all eternity.
So how in the world did Poland’s minuscule Jewish community manage to impose that Menorah on the Polish parliament? The answer, in two words, is: Jewish power. The global nepotism network of Jewish billionaires and millionaires, backed by the power not only of the state of Israel but also its vassal in Washington, DC, is quite capable of using carrots and sticks to drive the donkeys of Poland wherever it wants them to go.
Jewish power backs the West’s new quasi-official state religion: Jewish Supremacy. Its core notion is that Jewish suffering means more than other people’s suffering, because (<“>https://kevinbarrett.substack.com/p/christian-historian-michael-hoffman> as the Talmud teaches) Jewish life is more valuable than non-Jewish life.
The archetypal sacred story of the Jewish Supremacy religion is, of course, The Holocaust (TM). It implicitly places the suffering of the alleged six million Jewish victims above the suffering of the other 60 million people killed during World War II.
The word myth means “sacred narrative that unites a group and gives life meaning.” Obviously, The Holocaust (TM) is a myth. Yet according to a poll cited by <“>https://archive.ph/4yYno> The Economist, only one in five young Americans realizes that it is a myth.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 21 2023 0:17 utc | 127
“Terror in Iran”
Although OT, I’ll have to respond.
Thank you Don, for shedding light on the subject. robinthehood has finally shown his feathers / who he is for: the monarchy — ‘son of Iran’, my foot. Framarz has called him on it, but he keeps keeping on. Yes, some good stuff being smoked here.
As for the reign of the shah (small s, doesn’t deserve capitalization) I lived through it, and cannot recall one positive thing about it. Poverty, rampant disease, corruption, backwardness, are all that I can think about. Doesn’t sound like robin lived a day in Iran and is operating out of Albania.
As for pumping 6 million barrels, yes, he was getting paid 10 cents on the dollar for it, and pumping back to the US arms industry. How do you think those F14s got paid for?
He spent millions entertaining the foreigners — monarchical 2500, while people were poor, and dying of hunger.
I know, it’s a waste to continue this line of thought, because you get a word salad response, so, I’ll stop there.
Now, on topic,
The Hoothies have been fighting the empire for nearly a decade, with arms, logistics, intel provided to Saudis, and the empire hasn’t fared well. What’s a new coalition going to do that the empire couldn’t? Nothing, if you asked me. Just provide a target rich environment, and make their bases nearby vulnerable.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Dec 21 2023 17:43 utc | 249
Chief Rabbi Warren Goldstein of South Africa has accused Pope Francis of “primitive pacifism” and repeating the “sins” of Pope Pius XII during the Holocaust for his stance against Israel’s just war of defending itself against the terrorist group, Hamas, and Iran.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 21 2023 18:07 utc | 250
Posted by: Framarz | Dec 20 2023 21:37 utc
I bet he had the legendary Andrei Gromyko as his childhood hero.
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… and I’ll bet that the legendary Lavrov was selected and trained by my childhood hero Andrei Gromyko.
Posted by: General Factotum | Dec 21 2023 20:45 utc | 251
I prefer the word ‘saga’ to ‘myth’, Scorpion. I think it answers Plato, who ends manh dialogues with a ‘myth’ he has obvioously devised from his own imagination. Homer still triumphs because that is saga, not myth. And so is the early Bible, according to Buber — Saga! The word rings more truly than myth because it has strength and spirit, which myth lacks. One can feel superior to myth; but not to saga. Dr. Zhivago, both movie and book: saga. Lawrence of Arabia, the movie (which ‘Dune’ copies shamelessly): SAGA
Saga is what we are woefully missing these days, and no, I don’t mean ninja turtles.
Posted by: juliania | Dec 21 2023 23:38 utc | 253
Sorry, I meant that at 256 (previous palestine thread) in answer to:
Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 21 2023 16:58 utc | 251
Posted by: juliania | Dec 21 2023 23:40 utc | 254
Scorpion | Dec 21 2023 16:58 utc | 251
*** Braun succeeded in raising the million-dollar question: What was that lit-up Menorah doing in the Polish parliament building in the first place? ***
Think nobody is supposed to openly admit to noticing just how creepily out of place / triumphalist it was. Instead, just get psychologically acclimatised to the ever more overt antics and insatiable demands of the self-appointed “master race”.
So approve and obey. After all, the masters have very kindly given the public parliaments stuffed with (the masters’) bought or brainwashed puppets. What more could the public ever want, or need?
Posted by: Cynic | Dec 22 2023 0:00 utc | 255