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December 17, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-307
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RE: Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 18 2023 12:03 utc | 201
Anyone that supports genocide anywhere doesn’t need justification. It’s a “rationality” for their own murderous heart designs and they’ll find that rationality somehow, Pope statements or not. IMO I mean.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 18 2023 12:21 utc | 201
Posted by: pq | Dec 18 2023 9:33 utc | 179
You’ve really got an obsession about Crooke, haven’t you? When he says much the same as you, you accuse him of being wrong. Why bother? ‘Eschatological’ is a good description of current Israeli policy, and explains well why the genocide is taking place. Perhaps you don’t understand his meaning.
Posted by: laguerre | Dec 18 2023 10:27 utc | 188
Crooke is probably the most sensible, accurate Western commentator out there; and he has oodles of experience in the ME -to criticize him makes no sense if you really desire an honest opinion abut this distasteful subject.
Church deaths ‘cold-blooded killing’, says Archbishop of Westminster Cardinal Vincent Nichols
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EglOs7Nc3Xo
Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 18 2023 13:16 utc | 203
The tragicomical thing here is that Israel thinks it is earning anybody’s respecting by acting like a genocidal dork.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 18 2023 7:51 utc | 176
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I don’t think “Israel” is looking for respect but rather operating according to the “oderint dum metuant” principle.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 18 2023 13:21 utc | 204
Operation Exodus: How Chabad Lubavitch Penetrated Iran Four Decades Ago And Still Hasn’t Left
Chabad Lubavitch, the strongest Jewish sect in the world and also one of the biggest real estate holders (https://m.jpost.com/opinion/netanyahu-and-the-rebbe-two-leaders-whose-power-ended-on-the-same-day-671300), with ownership of buildings and a shliach (emissary) of Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson (L.A.) in every country on Earth, penetrated Iran over 40 years ago in a largely unknown subversion operation known as “Exodus”.
As the Islamic Revolution caught fire in the late 1970s, Chabad activists led by Rabbi J.J. Hecht (L.A.), with Schneerson guiding and “blessing” their efforts every step of the way, smuggled planeloads of Iranian-Jewish children to Crown Heights in Brooklyn, New York.
The work on the ground was done by Rabbi J.J.’s son, Rabbi Sholem Ber, Iranian-Italian-Jewish Rabbi Hertzel Illulian, and Rabbi Yossi Raichik (L.A.), who brought plates to print special Farsi editions of the Tanya, Chabad’s foundational anti-Gentile text penned by its father, Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Liady (L.A.)
Greeting them were Iranian rabbis David Shofet, son of then-Chief Rabbi of Iran, Yedidia Shofet (L.A.), Netanel Ben-Haim (L.A.), who headed Ozar HaTorah, a Jewish network funded by Syrian Zionist Jew Isaac Shalom (L.A.), and Eliyahu Ben-Haim (L.A.), who led Tehran’s Yusef Abad and Meshadi synagogues.
In other words… There was major synergy between the New York Chabdniks and the Mishpucka muckity-mucks of “economically flourishing ” Persian Jewry.
Another key player was Ozar HaTorah alumnus Bension Kohen, who specifically coordinated with Raichik and helped guide the Chabadniks through the growing militancy on Tehran’s streets. He’d later leave and wind up in Crown Heights too as a Chabadnik.
Rabbi Dovid Loloyan revealed that the Iranian Jews’ original plan, kept secret from their Muslim neighbors, was to go to the usurping Zionist entity but because flights to Tehran were suspended by El Al due to the Islamic Revolution, Rabbi Yitzchak Hazan in Rome stepped in to facilitate a bridge between Iran and the US.
Iranian-American-Jewish author Moshe Chayempour was also central to Exodus, operating out of England on Schneerson’s orders to bring Iranian Jews to America… And the Tumor.
Between all of these actors, Exodus exfiltrated 1,800 Iranian Jews and helped further establish, concretize and embiggen the US Iranian-Jewish community. Among them are Zionist New York State Senator Anna Monahemi (Kaplan) and shliach Rabbi Danny Yiftach (https://jewishjournal.com/community/350773/rabbi-danny-yiftach-the-iranian-chabad-lubavitch-chassid/), a true blue(-and-white) Jewish supremacist fanatic.
And most disturbingly, Schneerson, during a sermon on Purim 1979, spoke of “hidden blessings” contained in the Islamic Revolution, a not-so-subtle indication that Chabad’s infiltration of Iran had stuck despite the ferocious Anti-Zionism of Imam Khomeini (R.A.)
It isn’t just mere indication either… But confirmed fact. The Chief Rabbi of Iran, Yehuda Gerami, is an admitted shliach of Schneerson. And his Deputy, Rabbi Younes Hamami Lalehzar , is a product of the very same Jewish-Zionist networks inside Iran that were vital to Exodus.
This is how ‘Israeli’ Chabadnik Rabbi Jacob Yisrael Herzog entered Iran unchecked. Not just because of Gerami and Lalehzar… But Exodus. Iran’s Jewish problem, led by Chabad, began long, LONG ago.
Jews were so powerful before the Islamic Revolution, they even controlled the mint. That wasn’t – and it isn’t – something they were going to drop like a flash in the pan. Some Zionists even believe that the geographical borders of “Eretz Yisrael” end in Iran.
We implore – IMPLORE – our Iranian family, who we love dearly, to wake up and smell the Gefilte Fish–before the toxic fumes of the Judaic-Hebraic stench and the Exodus Nexus from which it stems putrefy everything that Sayyed Ruhollah (R.A.) built
Source: Global Resistance News
Posted by: Farsi | Dec 18 2023 13:24 utc | 205
Just saw this latest draft this morning. It does not call for a condemnation of Hamas so far.
IMO, the second Israel gets prisoners back, the shooting starts, as well as their 3rd attempt to invade Southern Lebanon. That’ll end up worse than the other 2 times.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 18 2023 11:29 utc | 196
Where did you see the draft? Can you post the link? I agree that the second Israel gets prisoners back, they’ll start bombing again. Only three things can work right now without escalating WWIII
1) Economic sanctions LED by the UK / EU
2) The US stops sending weapons to Israel
3) Israelis put pressure on Netanyahu to resign AND Americans put pressure on their government for a ceasefire
Posted by: pq | Dec 18 2023 13:26 utc | 206
The Arabs in the Levant believe they are prevailing militarily – why would they agree to any ceasefire that’s disadvantageous ?
Honest question
Posted by: Exile | Dec 18 2023 13:36 utc | 207
Jewish American Historian Ron Unz published another magnum opus
Gaza and the Dangers of Jewish Paranoia
(excerpt) Although subject is generally avoided in our politically-correct age, for many generations it has been known that different groups suffer from different social maladies, probably due to a complex mixture of innate traits and cultural factors.
The Irish have long been plagued by drunkenness and sometimes clinical alcoholism. The Chinese have loved to gamble, which has recently made nearby Macau the global profit-center of that industry. And European Jews have been prone to paranoia, perhaps the inevitable outcome of having spent more than a thousand years living as small, often highly-exploitative minorities among generally hostile host populations.
These sorts of deeply-rooted paranoid tendencies can quietly simmer beneath the surface, then suddenly erupt into uncontrollable spasms of terror and rage, ignited by a large or small spark. Many of these agitated individuals may be completely unaware of the true facts of the situation that had provoked them, let alone the underlying historical circumstances…..
https://www.unz.com/runz/gaza-and-the-dangers-of-jewish-paranoia/
Posted by: Exile | Dec 18 2023 13:42 utc | 208
@Arch Bungle | Dec 18 2023 9:05 utc | 178
“You know, just because it looks like a controlled demolition doesn’t mean it was… Some buildings do indeed collapse into their own footprint when hit by planes from any angle”
Well, I’m not a structural engineer so who am I to argue?
I am. It was a controlled demolition. 2 planes did not cause 3 towers to collapse.
At that point all the other coincidences clicked into place, like for example the missile (yes, missile, not plane) that hit the Pentagon and took out just the right set of offices with just the right people in them at the time to solve a lot of bad people’s problems.
Indeed. There is a lot of evidence, even for non-engineers.
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 18 2023 13:43 utc | 209
The Arabs in the Levant believe they are prevailing militarily – why would they agree to any ceasefire that’s disadvantageous ?
Honest question
Posted by: Exile | Dec 18 2023 13:36 utc | 209
Who do you mean by “they”?
The ceasefire happens only when Israel withdraws from Gaza and stops bombing it. I don’t think it is in Hamas’ hands.
Hamas have said they will only talk hostage swap once hostiities cease. If reports are to be believed, Israel is asking Egypt and Qatar to mediate a hostage swap which as someone pointed out earlier only means that they will start bombing again once the captives are released.
Posted by: pq | Dec 18 2023 13:48 utc | 210
I am. It was a controlled demolition. 2 planes did not cause 3 towers to collapse.
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 18 2023 13:43 utc | 211
Thanks. At this point I’d take your word over the years of nonsense I’ve heard.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 18 2023 13:49 utc | 211
Posted by: Bill Miner | Dec 18 2023 2:00 utc | 157
The ideology of Zionism in Israel is aligned with the political party. In the USA & collective west most Zionists are Christians. To witness over decades the Zionist make the claim it’s ideology is a religious component of ‘their’ religion of Judaism. Many people of Judaism do not agree with the Zionist ideology, the schism divides the State of Israel. The Zionists claim religious persecution, it’s a ruse to protect themselves from criticism. ……
The Zionist cult has shamed the greater American public to accept subservience, many Americans are proud second class citizens to the Zionist among them, they accept what they’ve been told. The USA and the west is controlled by genocidal cultists who believe they are of superior morality. Wake up, the American dream is a nightmare, a tyrannical racist police state is a matter of fact, a cult has taken over.
Good observations. Reading it another dimension came to mind. Generally, a much smaller number of leaders lead a much larger number of followers. No leader can exist without the authority granted them by the followers and this is where ‘We the People’ come in. Of course in contemporary democracies the system has been rigged to ensure ‘We’ have no true agency, but that’s just the system; in bedrock reality our permission-consent ultimately gives the elites their power and status. The two spheres, as far apart as they may seem, are always bound together.
LOTR describes this well: his fictional hobbits are so separated from the Big People that most believe they exist only in fairy tales. And yet when the Great Sorceror is about to devour the whole world through psychic Black Arts, those ordinary ‘We the People’ hobbits bring him down. Not massed together as an army or political party, but just a couple of their very best who honorably kept their word and saw a difficult job through no matter how hard and hopeless it became.
Something like this will happen, I suspect. The cult dynamic you describe is like a Dark Spell enthralling us all in its demonic possession. But it’s a Mind Trick. That which is knit together from concentrated materialist mind games can be dissolved in an instant and the entire imagined edifice come tumbling down; like waking up to a lovely spring morning after a long night of ugly, terrifying nightmares.
And I know we agree on this unstated fact: The USA is the world’s pre-eminent terrorist organization and has been since before the end of WWII.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 17 202
so well said
Posted by: Ghassan | Dec 18 2023 14:00 utc | 213
The ever expanding “holocaust” industry is now demanding a new extra “holocaust” complex right in the centre of London in Westminster, near Parliament.
This rides roughshod over planning laws, but obviously such considerations do not apply to the Chosen Folk.
There is already a very similar “holocaust” complex in Nottingham, but obviously the industry requires one in every town and village in the country, and on every street corner.
A new “holocaust” complex at this location will serve to remind all the bribed and blackmailed Shabbos Conservative Friends Of Israel, Labour Friends Of Israel, Liberal Friends Of Israel, and Uncle Tom Cobley Friends Of Israel of their overriding duty to serve their Zionist masters.
Posted by: anon | Dec 18 2023 14:07 utc | 214
I have posted this before and will say it again. The American public that islyal to Israel is jubilant. They are ecstatic. They are joyful. This is a wonderful time.
The part of the public tht is loyal to Israel is the only public that has a voice in government or politics or media. The skeptical have no public voice at all.
Where I live possibly 20% of the population is Jewish. Any civic recognition of Christmas as a religious holiday would be unthinkable. It is a festival of consumers and a solstice relic. The civic menorah in The Square is bigger than ever and the ceremonies around that menorah have been large and excited.
Israel will stop the carnage when the US is defeated. Slaughter around the planet will not stop until US is sent to the dustbin of history.
Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 18 2023 14:11 utc | 215
I can’t type. in my #217 first line islyal should be is loyal
Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 18 2023 14:15 utc | 216
I honestly believe they think they can grab Southern Lebanon at anytime they want, but they currently need Hezbollah off their Northern line.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 18 2023 11:39 utc | 198
I disagree here. Hezbollah drove the IDF out of Southern Lebanon when the IDF was at it’s strongest and Hezbollah was but a newborn.
Hezbollah today is orders of what it once was.
The IDF, clearly, has decayed away …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 18 2023 14:18 utc | 217
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/p6-zI4cOw2Q
A young woman explores the contradictions in the official media about treatment of a hostage.
Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 18 2023 14:35 utc | 218
Re: 9/11
As a fellow civil and structural engineer, who was on walking on his way to work on Fifth Ave. that bright & clear Tuesday morning with a front row seat to the entire event, I can confirm Norwegian’s conclusion.
Namely, buildings don’t fall down like that.
Posted by: Exile | Dec 18 2023 14:36 utc | 219
PQ,
It’s my guess that Hamas and the rest of the Arab resistance sense a much bigger victory than simple return to status quo ante.
Bankrupting Israel isn’t that difficult –
360,000 demoralized reservists
plus the Red Sea blockade
plus 10% of the Jewish Population gone
plus another 10% refugees
plus Tourist season bye bye
Just takes a 12-18 month hot war of attrition
That’s what I’m guessing is the grand strategy of Hamas etc.
Posted by: Exile | Dec 18 2023 14:47 utc | 220
Palestinian Resistance Kills More Israeli Soldiers in Gaza as Barbaric Aggression Persists
(Al Manar TV)
Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 18 2023 14:50 utc | 221
@Arch Bungle | Dec 18 2023 13:49 utc | 213
@Exile | Dec 18 2023 14:36 utc | 221
Namely, buildings don’t fall down like that.
Thanks to both of you. It took me a couple of years to reach the conclusion 20 years ago. There is no doubt regarding this issue anymore. For anyone unsure I recommend a report by Professor Dr.J. Leroy Hulsey from Univerity of Alaska, Fairbanks: A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 18 2023 15:00 utc | 222
Just takes a 12-18 month hot war of attrition
That’s what I’m guessing is the grand strategy of Hamas etc.
Posted by: Exile | Dec 18 2023 14:47 utc | 222
I agree in theory but what happens to the civilians in that time?
They are already starving and the 96% remaining who are not dead / maimed / injured / missing are suffering so much.
How long can they carry on like that?
As I write this, Al Shifa is being attacked and now Al Awda is under siege. The director has been taken away.
They are systematically killing every hospital, ambulance, medic and journalist.
If I understand correctly, they want to attack Lebanon and meanwhile the US / UK / Fr have extended the term of the puppet army chief of Lebanon.
Posted by: Pq | Dec 18 2023 15:00 utc | 223
The six largest shipping companies in the world will avoid the Red Sea after Iran-backed Houthi terrorists launched drone and missile attacks on civilian vessels. This morning, BP announced it would pause all oil shipments through the Red Sea. On Friday, at least two cargo ships were hit. Companies that are pausing shipping include:
-Swiss-Italian Mediterranean Shipping Co., the world’s largest container shipping company
-Danish A.P. Moller-Maersk, the second-largest
-French shipping group CMA CGM, the third-largest
-China’s Orient Overseas Container Line, part of COSCO, which is the fourth-largest
-German Hapag-Lloyd, the fifth-largest
-Evergreen Marine Corp., the sixth-largest
These six companies represent the majority of all container shipping. One sixth of all commercial shipping passes through the Bab el-Mandeb into the Red Sea. Many of these ships will now sail around the Cape of Good Hope, adding a couple of weeks to their travel time, reducing effective global shipping capacity, and increasing costs.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 18 2023 15:12 utc | 224
Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 18 2023 14:11 utc | 217
The part of the public that is loyal to Israel is the only public that has a voice in government or politics or media. The skeptical have no public voice at all…..
Israel will stop the carnage when the US is defeated. Slaughter around the planet will not stop until US is sent to the dustbin of history.
Have seen many headlines of late about pro-Palestinian demonstrations – which find both surprising and suspect. Maybe not where you are since 20% Jewish? Or maybe the stories are false… Either way, am expecting a turbulent 2024 in the States; 2020 on steroids. Eschatological Anguish will no doubt be one of the toxins in the brew….
As to carnage: I really cannot tell what is going on. Are the Zionist networks re-aligning themselves to blend into the multipolar world order? Or are they driving the Evil Hegemon arrayed against it? Or turning the entire West into a virtual Gaza?
Either way, seems to me they are the current manifestation of an inherently satanic thread running through all societies; any given population will host a small, intense minority hell-bent on exploiting it for their own benefit using cunning, deceit, corruption etc. No society or system is entirely immune from such pathogens so all need to develop ways to deal with them and in so doing becoming more healthy and vibrant – indeed, managing corruption is perhaps the single most important function of any socio-political system. We have failed to do so and now can only witness inevitable decline and ruin.
The good news? Once they have sucked the marrow out of our bones, they will soon move on to feed on others….
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 18 2023 11:35 utc | 197
Hamas did a lot of looting of aid supplies from those tunnels before October 7, and even after.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 18 2023 15:19 utc | 226
reply to 226
There has been an interesting claim on Intel Slava that the Houthis have anti-ship missiles of a quality not possessed by many nations. Could be decisive, if true.
Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 18 2023 15:19 utc | 227
Re: 9/11
As a fellow civil and structural engineer, who was on walking on his way to work on Fifth Ave. that bright & clear Tuesday morning with a front row seat to the entire event, I can confirm Norwegian’s conclusion.
Namely, buildings don’t fall down like that.
Posted by: Exile | Dec 18 2023 14:36 utc | 221
Baloney! Neither of you are structural engineers. You may have a $50-00 Mail Order Certificate which says you are, but your apalling ignorance of the basic design concept of WTC = extreme light weight (which made the project feasible) gives you away. You clearly didn’t read, or didn’t understand, the NIST Report either.
The key to 9/11, as an inside job, was NORAD’s no-show – on the only occasion that the type of threat NORAD was intended to counter, actually occured.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 18 2023 15:21 utc | 228
RE: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 18 2023 14:18 utc | 219
True. I just don’t know even if Israel managed with US help to get South Lebanon, how would they hold it? Hezbollah has already run off the little bit of UN Peacekeepers that were there. Hezbollah will of course defeat them again, that’s why it’s hard for me to see any advantage at this time to open another front… unless the plan is to bring US troops in men mass.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 18 2023 15:25 utc | 229
UNSC meet has dropped off all MSM news.
Guessing no vote today.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 18 2023 15:33 utc | 230
That’s what I’m guessing is the grand strategy of Hamas etc.
Posted by: Exile | Dec 18 2023 14:47 utc | 222
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The best strategies often have time as a component.
Time is not on Israel’s side. They know it, which is why they are so aggressive right now. And time is on Hamas’ side. The longer this goes, the more pressure outside of the West builds on the Zionists, more exposure, and more psychopathic quotes about genociding Amakelites. Stuff for which there is no rational explanation. The stuff that drives the Zionists is pure evil that even a small child can understand.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 18 2023 15:55 utc | 231
Yemeni Navy Strikes Two Ships Affiliated with ‘Israel’: Statement
The Yemeni Armed Forces announced Friday in a statement striking two ships affiliated with the Zionist entity.
The first ship, “Swan Atlantic,” loaded with oil, and the second ship, “MSC Clara,” carrying containers, were targeted by two naval drones, according to the statement.
The targeting of the two ships came after their crews refused to respond to the calls of the Yemeni Navy, the statement affirmed.
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2004015
Posted by: Exile | Dec 18 2023 16:06 utc | 232
The Brazilian SC resolution a month or so ago DID condemn Hamas, but the US nevertheless vetoed it. The excuse? It didn’t say enough about Israel’s right to defend itself.
As long as the US doesn’t want a ceasefire, it will always dream up an excuse to veto ceasefire resolutions.
Posted by: Lysias | Dec 18 2023 16:08 utc | 233
Bulldozing patients in tents outside a hospital and burying them alive has to the lowest point I’ve heard so far. The depraved minds of those drivers. It’s not soldiering. At least the pope objected to his flock being slaughtered on church grounds. Rather surprised he said anything considering he represents another tentacle of evil
I see caitlan Johnstone made some poem where as usual she can’t say Israel for fear of her clicks or advert revenue.
Posted by: Hankster | Dec 18 2023 16:12 utc | 234
Al-Qassem Daily SitRep day 73
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2003916
Comment – usual 3 video report. The first video is a compilation of mortar firings – first scene has a amusing bit. The mortar is concealed in a pile of chicken feathers. Every time a mortar shoots off a bunch of chicken feathers fly around. Second video is a bunch of rocket launchings presumably towards Tel Aviv etc. 3rd video is a conclusive Yassin 105 strike on a Merkava. Merkava is again solo, supporting infantry nowhere.
Finally a bizarre paragraph:
Al-Quds Brigades announced its fighters controlled an Israeli drone “Evo Max 4T” and bombarded the Zionist military gatherings in Nahhal Oz.
Suspect the word “controlled “ is a mistranslation
Posted by: Exile | Dec 18 2023 16:24 utc | 235
Al-Qassem Daily SitRep day 73
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2003916
Comment – usual 3 video report. The first video is a compilation of mortar firings – first scene has a amusing bit. The mortar is concealed in a pile of chicken feathers. Every time a mortar shoots off a bunch of chicken feathers fly around. Second video is a bunch of rocket launchings presumably towards Tel Aviv etc. 3rd video is a conclusive Yassin 105 strike on a Merkava. Merkava is again solo, supporting infantry nowhere.
Finally a bizarre paragraph:
Al-Quds Brigades announced its fighters controlled an Israeli drone “Evo Max 4T” and bombarded the Zionist military gatherings in Nahhal Oz.
Suspect the word “controlled “ is a mistranslation
Posted by: Exile | Dec 18 2023 16:24 utc | 236
Oops please excuse double post
Also note that makes 118 Merkavas claimed
If anyone can tell the difference between Merkava 3 and 4s or possibly a Merkava 2 ;?please watch last video and Clarify
Posted by: Exile | Dec 18 2023 16:27 utc | 237
Hezbollah will of course defeat them again, that’s why it’s hard for me to see any advantage at this time to open another front… unless the plan is to bring US troops in men mass.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 18 2023 15:25 utc | 231
It could only be done the with the aid of the U.S. Boots on the ground.
At that point the entire Lebanon gets turned back to Lebanese Civil War era.
It’s like a time machine:
Sabra and Shatilla,
Hamas striking out from Ain al Hilwe and other refugee camps
Phalanges and the IDF against Amal and Hezbollah,
U.S Marines getting blown sky high in their barracks,
USS Ronald Reagan firing missiles at Lebanese villages
And at the long, bloody, cursed end of it decades later we get to see the IDF driven right back beyond the Litani …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 18 2023 16:42 utc | 238
Exile . Controlled as in hacked it. I read a report a day or so ago they took over a idf drone. The part about using it to attack idf is new or a new event altogether. Certainly doable if Iran is sharing EW technology.
Posted by: Hankster | Dec 18 2023 16:52 utc | 239
Houthis are gonna deglobalize your shit-stain economy, Biden!!
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 18 2023 16:58 utc | 240
https://scheerpost.com/2023/12/17/chris-hedges-the-death-of-israel/
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/12/gaza-and-the-end-of-orthodox-judaism/
Two excellent pieces, from completely different perspectives, that get to the same ending place. Chris Hedges on the death of Israel-the settler-colonial project. The other piece from Mondoweiss by an observant Orthodox Jew on the death of Judaism (at least as it currently exists). The fruit of hubris and hatred.
Posted by: KMRIA | Dec 18 2023 17:03 utc | 241
….. Certainly doable if Iran is sharing EW technology.
Posted by: Hankster | Dec 18 2023 16:52 ut……
Dude, like no f’ing way; man. That’s IMposdible. everyone knows that the übermensch Israelis are the bestest super duper Tech geniuses of the entire galaxy and those medieval Mullahs over in EyeRan are barely able to count to 10. (/s)
Posted by: Exile | Dec 18 2023 17:03 utc | 242
Posted by: Farsi | Dec 18 2023 13:24 utc | 207
Interesting. I know of one Jewish family in Iran that packed up everything and left exactly a year before the troubles began. They were told in the synagogue that there will be problems in Iran and that they should leave. And they left for LA and we thought they had gone nuts. This was ‘77.
Putin is close to the Lubavitchers. Very close. Comrade Supreme Leader is very close to Putin. Together fighting “imperialism” of goy nations.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/putin-fires-top-official-who-describes-chabad-as-a-supremacist-cult/
Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 18 2023 17:11 utc | 243
It seems US is leaving Egypt to twist in the winds that are blowing through Suez Canal instead of paying customers. “Tomorrow we will discuss this matter!”
Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 18 2023 17:13 utc | 244
@robinthehood
The Happy-Go-Lucky Jewish Group That Connects Trump and Putin
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/the-happy-go-lucky-jewish-group-that-connects-trump-and-putin-215007/
Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 18 2023 17:22 utc | 245
RE: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 18 2023 16:42 utc | 240
Yes, that’s why all these machinations are hard to fathom. The chain of US “boots on the ground” in Israel, next Iraq & Syria bases are more seriously attacked… and on down the line.
I’m the end of all that. Israel gets destroyed.
They are just stupider & stupider every minute in this “operation”….
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 18 2023 17:24 utc | 246
Posted by: Lysias | Dec 18 2023 16:08 utc | 235
The Brazilian SC resolution a month or so ago DID condemn Hamas, but the US nevertheless vetoed it. The excuse? It didn’t say enough about Israel’s right to defend itself.
They need that logic as legal justification because:
a) the State of Israel was only ratified by non-binding UN Resolutions for which neither the Arab States nor Palestinians voted;
b) full ratification is anyway meaningless absent a World Authority to enforce such Law.
In olden times Monarchs presided over Courts. A Court is where various Parties air grievances resolved by the ultimate Authority wherein everyone except the presiding Monarch may be challenged because to do so would undermine Final Authority thereby engendering a Realm ruled by anarchy, aka disorder, thus losing ‘the Mandate of Heaven’.
Sidebar: modern Democracies as constituted promulgate managed Anarchy and thus are doomed. (Time for a rethink!)
Israel as constituted, moreover by design, is lawless. Multipolarity as proposed will also be lawless, being another Order without ultimate Authority. The Utopian ideal on offer is that of sovereign Lawful entities each following time-honoured civilizational principles making Central Authority unnecessary. (Though its global scope is unprecedented, such a global Federation notion is not new; a Russian Tzar was into it before being murdered by Lenin’s brother, and now Putin is taking up that torch.)
However, at some point the Ultimate Authority issue must be addressed, indeed possibly this Israel-Palestine debacle will force it. Because without ultimate Authority, the power to decree ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ and make it stick, any deep-rooted controversy, especially one stemming from fundamental lawlessness, can never be resolved. It’s that simple.
The articles Linked by KMRIA are a must, excerpt from one:
…..And that is why, at a word from the thugs who govern Israel, they are prepared to say anything – absolutely anything, any lie at all, no matter how false or vile or degrading or stupid – in order to be on what they think is the right side of power.
That is why a rabbi here in Passaic could write proudly of having joined a rally in Washington, D.C. for the express purpose of supporting a genocidal slaughter – and call it “standing with the Jewish people.” That is why a local synagogue is circulating a list of the Hebrew names of community members who are now serving in the IDF terrorist militia decimating Gaza and exterminating thousands of its inhabitants, together with an appeal to think of them when reciting certain blessings.
These Judeo-Nazi sympathizers wouldn’t know a genuine blessing – or the real “Jewish people” – if it whacked them over the head. But they are so sunk in moral stupor that they cannot even perceive that the evil they do is evil, and that those they slander are only telling them the truth……..
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/12/gaza-and-the-end-of-orthodox-judaism/
Posted by: Exile | Dec 18 2023 17:34 utc | 248
RE: Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 18 2023 17:24 utc | 249
I think it became clear to ALL nations, the US was going to Veto ANY resolution for a cessation of hostilities, regardless of “wording”.
And for now, globally, it appears the “Ultimate Authority” is who’s the last man standing on the battlefield, because they are clearly well matched players everywhere when there wasn’t 30 years ago.
Just my opinion.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 18 2023 17:35 utc | 249
Posted by: Farsi | Dec 18 2023 13:24 utc | 207
Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 18 2023 17:11 utc | 245
If it was only 1800 Iranian Jews who were ‘exfiltrated’ from Iran by the Lubavitchers before the revolution, that’s not many. Even recently there were said to be still around 28K in the country. Iranian Jews were particularly loyal to the country.
Posted by: laguerre | Dec 18 2023 17:38 utc | 250
The Israeli-Hamas War: Intelligence, Strategy, and the Day After
October 7 attack? Was this a failure of imagination or were there structural and bureaucratic impediments that prevented Israel’s intelligence community from identifying the dots and connecting them? Are domestic politics overriding sound intelligence analysis to shape the Israeli government’s campaign against Hamas, its approach toward Gazan civilians, its efforts to free hostages, and its thinking on post-conflict Gaza and the West Bank?
Join us as Efraim Halevy, former director of the Mossad, and Ami Ayalon, former director of Shin Bet, engage in conversation with Aaron David Miller on these and other subjects.
https://piped.video/watch?v=hchzdcqsqKk
This seems to be a frank discussion — possibility of theatrical elements always remains, as a reminder.
Matters discussed included “girl soldiers at the border”, withdrawal of forces the day before, and other related matter. There is repudiation of AI in intelligence, complete shitting on Nutty, and discussion of what is the solution. The two state solution was insisted up in this discussion. It was strange to hear Ayalon expressing the thought that “the Palestinians are a people” as if this is the first time they have actually considered that. Very strange.
The unmistakable smell of defeat hangs heavy in that video conference.
Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 18 2023 17:42 utc | 251
RE: Posted by: Exile | Dec 18 2023 16:24 utc | 237
“Al-Qassem Daily SitRep day 73”
Thx for posts. I had not seen a video in awhile and someone commented (Scott Ritter maybe?) on how the videos were high quality, serious professional studio production style, that maybe videos were sent in somewhere and made ready.
I agree, these are the clearest, cleanest battleground vids, the second video showing missile launches was crazy good.
Anyways, just excellent vids. Thx.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 18 2023 17:53 utc | 252
Posted by: laguerre | Dec 18 2023 17:38 utc | 252
I know nothing of the matter that Farsi posted. It is news to me. I had no idea the Chabad had its hooks in Iran as well. This is a very powerful international organization and my sense of it is that they and the Zionists are not exactly looking at the same end game. I am aware that many Jews remain in Iran and Iranians Jews that I have known all consider Iran their homeland and are fine people. This Lubavitcher project is a Eastern European thing that got out of control. I wonder if it will end like that Ottoman messiah episode (the Sabbatians).
Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 18 2023 17:53 utc | 253
The only thing you find unpleasant is that in the Qur’an God has castigated Christians for the absurdity of God being three.
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 18 2023 6:39 utc | 169
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What nonsense.
What I find unpleasant is being gratuitously insulted.
Not only by the bird.
Posted by: Jane | Dec 18 2023 18:03 utc | 254
Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 18 2023 15:19 utc | 229
My advice to the Houthis would be to save the advanced anti-ship missiles for a worthy target, a capital naval ship.
Don’t waste the missiles on container ships or frigates, corvettes etc.
Posted by: morongobill | Dec 18 2023 18:09 utc | 255
British historian Ian Kershaw in his 1998 book “Hitler 1889-1936: Hubris.” (…), he noted that the “son of Leopold Frankenreiter and alleged father of the baby…for whom Frankenreiter was seemingly prepared to pay child support for thirteen years was ten years old at the time of Alois’s [Adolf Hitler’s father] birth.”
Even if Sax was right, then Adolf Hitler wasn’t half Jewish but a quarter jewish. 😉
Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 18 2023 10:13 utc | 187
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FWIW, I don’t trust Kershaw as a Hitler biographer, or as any kind of biolgrapher.
Furthermore, his actual writing is terrible.
Posted by: Jane | Dec 18 2023 18:11 utc | 256
Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 18 2023 17:53 utc | 255
You’re right, I think. The Lubavitchers were not able to frighten a large proportion of the Jewish community into leaving. By contrast with the Jews in Iraq, who were indeed frightened into leaving in 1950-1, but were then stuck in prison camps once arrived in Israel, surrounded by barbed wire, and sprayed with DDT for being ‘dirty’. I learnt a lot about the Iraqi experience from Avi Shlaim’s recent work, Three Worlds: memoirs of an Arab Jew. Still, it was possible to frighten people into leaving in 1950. By 1978, people had learnt what a catastrophe it was. And now even more, where there’s no readiness of Gazans to cross the border, know that they’ll never be allowed back.
Posted by: laguerre | Dec 18 2023 18:17 utc | 257
Arch Bungle 167
Garland’s affable and easy manner disguises a highly intelligent and articulate man.
Posted by: anon | Dec 18 2023 18:17 utc | 258
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 18 2023 6:39 utc | 169
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An interesting approach to Dawah.
Christians are closer to Muslims than Jews are, and certainly more so than any non-believer.
Look for common ground, don’t over-focus on the small differences.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 18 2023 18:25 utc | 259
This thread has gone crazy. It must have caught Ziovid, the untreatable virus in which micro-psychoses only found present in Jews have infected the general population. This at the biannual celebrations of the birth and death of Roman deity Christos, outwardly human but inwardly omnipotent. Otherwise known as seasonal mental flu.
The new, man-made virus Ziovid causes otherwise healthy , rational people to like genocide for Palestinians, in spite of the fact that their own governments have already tried to genocide their own citizens, and would willingly start WW3 to continue doing so.
Actrye psychological phenomenon, where otherwise rational people externalise their fear of their own crazy leaders by projecting their fears onto one small, harmless group of totem scapegoats, the Palestinians.
Basically if you daft enough to believe Jesus is God, you daft enough to believe in Ameleking Palestians.
Christians , Jews , Hindus , Buddhists, wokes, and greens are all getting infected with Ziovid. A deep human urge to murder believers in one God, and support Israel doing so.
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 18 2023 18:28 utc | 260
LoveDonbass 261
At Christmas and Easter, the couple of weeks of the year that Christians believe their weird polytheism I’m afraid I have nothing in common with Christians.
Just pointing out that this Ziovid genicide outbreak coincides with seasonal Christian insanity. Since childhood my family have known to stay as far as posdible away from me during the two Roman rites of polytheism. Normality resumes for me only after Christmas and Easter booze fests have vanished like jinns back into their memory holes.
Sorry, not yet found a remedy.
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 18 2023 18:46 utc | 261
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 18 2023 18:46 utc | 263
Brzezinski called it tittytainment, the kind of entertainment that gives comfort like sucking on your mother’s tit. You just get it from your “religion” or whatever you call this self-indulgent spectacle of yours while others get it from sports etc.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 18 2023 18:54 utc | 262
Posted by: laguerre | Dec 18 2023 18:17 utc | 259
They weren’t told things are going south for Jews in Iran so it is nothing at all like the matter in Iraq. They were told Iran itself is going to have troubles and this was apparently related to my mother in context of women friends having chit chat. Many, in far larger numbers, of Iranians also left the country after the Islamists won out the final rounds of the revolutions. Overwhelming majority of these were (nominally) Muslims or atheists from leftist families and undoubtedly Christians and Assyrian and all the various flavors of Iranian were present in the Iranian diaspora. What’s always interested me about this little story is the fact that the matter was predicted so accurately. Just a year later and our world turned upside down. I’ve only experienced change so dramatic and sudden in the covid episode. The experience deeply impressed the fact of the impermanence of social order and the mainly psychological forces that maintain it.
Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 18 2023 19:10 utc | 263
Garland’s affable and easy manner disguises a highly intelligent and articulate man.
Posted by: anon | Dec 18 2023 18:17 utc | 260
The disguise is poor. I saw him for what he is ages ago.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 18 2023 19:35 utc | 264
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 18 2023 18:46 utc | 263
Sorry, not yet found a remedy.
Sense of humour works every time.
Eggnog not bad either!
Because without ultimate Authority, the power to decree ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ and make it stick, any deep-rooted controversy, especially one stemming from fundamental lawlessness, can never be resolved. It’s that simple.
Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 18 2023 17:24 utc | 249
This caters immediately to the question from whom such ultimate authority should be borrowed. You pointed out to us that it is indispensable, even in a multipolar world, now you have the unrewarding task upon you to decide how that authority should be constructed.
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If a people has enjoyed an uninterrupted royal dynasty, then the King, Queen, Pharao or whatever is the carrier of ultimate authority. (This is no guarantee for decency, just look at the Assange trial…)
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Another obvious way of constructing such an authority is to derive it from religion. However, since God is not with us, this variant requires to install human “experts” to help the rest of us know what the will of God is, given every concrete case at hand.
Iran uses this method today, and so did the Jewish state at the time of Christ. A written codex of rules can help, if the rules are fair and life-supporting, like much of what is found in Deuteronomium. In the early Middle Ages, in Europe there was even a symbiosis between royal and religious authority, an Emperor and the Pope, which seems to have worked quite well for a while.
It is obvious what the danger is with this method: the “experts” position might be manned by the wrong people, like in the caliphate set up by ISIS, and then there is nothing such a state can do to bring itself back upon track.
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Religion is replaced by an ideology, as it has been tried, with communism, in the Soviet Union. Again, you need experts to bring this authority to bear, and these experts might just end up being the wrong people.
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The world order that was installed in Bretton Woods has been founded on the “Might is Right” logic, and it has been with us since 1945. It was based only on the assumption that the hegemon was a “civilized” nation, whose culture made him trustworthy. This pill has been swallowed by the nations of the West, most notably Germany, which until today is firmly rooted in this belief. The system is now disintegrating, and Germany will be among the last nations to understand what’s happening.
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In China, the Communist Party is the bearer of ultimate authority, and we are surprised by the apparent success (in terms of fighting poverty) that this approach has had. Michael Hudson is one of the few Westerners who could experience that system first hand. I cannot compete, other than by guessing that maybe Konfuzianism contains the secret ingredient that, so far, has helped this approach to work out. I’m done, but others may want to pick up the discussion from here…
Posted by: grunzt | Dec 18 2023 21:46 utc | 266
> The world order that was installed in Bretton Woods has been founded on the “Might is Right”
That is a wild take on the matter. Might settled the question of who gets to sit in the conference of victors and hash out a global deal. USSR was present and had its interests served as well as the West. Ideologically we had nominal “liberalism” and “communism” as victors over “fascism”.
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Because without ultimate Authority, the power to decree ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ and make it stick, any deep-rooted controversy, especially one stemming from fundamental lawlessness, can never be resolved. It’s that simple.
Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 18 2023 17:24 utc | 249
So this is the fascist mindset and “might is right” justifying itself. Contradiction is clearly articulated though likely unintended: “fundamentally lawless” elements of society are ‘somehow’ (geez, how?) made to go along with the “ultimate Authority” (take a bow Ali Agha) to make it “stick”. Naturally actual “sticks” will be involved to ‘persuade’ the “fundamentally lawless” to be good little boys and girls.
The pessimism regarding human development here is also noteworthy. In sum, humanity is “fundamentally lawless” save for some precious few — thankfully they have well known uniforms they wear so we can identify them !! yey — who by “God’s Grace” end up lording over us as “ultimate Authority” so that commands from on high ‘stick’.
The failure is one of education. The failure is one of giving the necessary cognitive and psychological tools to human society so that sane members can operate from a higher state of consciousness.
So you mentioned the latter-day Pharisees of Islam in IR. Bravo to you to note that but you seem nonplussed by the indication there. After all, Pharisees were the numero uno enemies of a messenger of God. Possibly you also approve of Morality Police. Since “fundamentally lawless” women may go “naked” if the Pharisee police doesn’t go around enforcing the “ultimate Authority’s” discernment regarding this matter of how are believers to live in company with the nonbelievers and the various range of interpretation of the requirements of religion.
Jesus (AS), although most certainly qualified to be that “ultimate Authority” — Messiah of Israel — didn’t take any “make it stick” operations with his disciples.
It’s puzzling. Maybe he had a weak grasp on ”the LAW”? Maybe, if Ali Khameni was there in Jerusalem he could have “Guided” the Messiah son of Mary to a ‘better understanding’ of how to make “the LAW” “stick” and reconcile the Messiah with the Pharisee and avoid all the misunderstanding of crucification and violent suppression of followers of Jesus AS.
Yes, this “fundamental lawless” elements needs to be rooted out from humanity. The “law” in question here is however “Love one another”. Currently we are getting a beating from your hot heads, but alas for you “it is written” that you go bye bye and we get to “inherit the Earth” sans “fundamentally Lawless ones”.
InshAllah.
Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 18 2023 22:27 utc | 267
That should actually be “authoritarian mindset” and not “fascist” in characterizing Scorpion’s abysmal conclusion on human collectives.
Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 18 2023 22:47 utc | 268
Re, getting buried alive in tents at the hospital
I’m seething with anger while I write this. Serenity now, serenity now.
This reminds of US soldier, colonel I think, testifying before congress. He was asked deridingly, why did he bury the soldiers/people alive with a bulldozer. His response — and it entirely encapsulated the empire’s mentality for me — was: you pay me to kill, what difference does it make how I do it.
I am sure our crack research dept at MoA can dig it up. Circa 2003ish.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Dec 19 2023 5:08 utc | 269
@Sakineh Bagoom
“I am sure our crack research dept at MoA can dig it up.”
“People somehow have the notion that burying guys alive is nastier than blowing them up with hand grenades or sticking them in gut with bayonets,” said Col. Lon Maggart. “Well it’s not.”
Colonel Maggart, commander of one of two brigades that led assaults on a key line of Iraqi defenses, said in a telephone interview from Fort Riley, Kan., that between 80 and 250 Iraqis had been buried alive. Army officials said the First Infantry’s experiences had been the only incidents of live burials during the war.
At a news conference here on Thursday, the Pentagon spokesman, Pete Williams, defended the tactic and said it did not violate the Geneva Conventions on the conduct of warfare. “I don’t mean to be flippant, but there’s no nice way to kill somebody in war,” Mr. Williams said.
https://www.nytimes.com/1991/09/15/world/us-army-buried-iraqi-soldiers-alive-in-gulf-war.html
Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 19 2023 8:49 utc | 270
As Muslim we have a duty to examine the claims of those who seek leadership in Umma and point out any questionable matter. Foolishness is permitting the false to pretend to the truth when it is clear
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Does that apply to the upcoming president ial election in the Untied States?
Posted by: Gene Poole | Dec 19 2023 9:35 utc | 271
“This reminds of US soldier, colonel I think, testifying before congress. He was asked deridingly, why did he bury the soldiers/people alive with a bulldozer. His response — and it entirely encapsulated the empire’s mentality for me — was: you pay me to kill, what difference does it make how I do it.
I am sure our crack research dept at MoA can dig it up. Circa 2003ish.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Dec 19 2023 5:08 utc | 271”
that sounds more like Desert Storm era tactics that drew comment about ten years prior to 2003.
Posted by: Not Ewe | Dec 20 2023 14:09 utc | 272
that sounds more like Desert Storm era tactics that drew comment about ten years prior to 2003.
Posted by: Not Ewe | Dec 20 2023 14:09 utc | 274
Thank you for your reply Not Ewe.
Thanks for Appllyon for digging up.
Yes, As I said in the beginning of my comment ’seething with anger,’ which did not allow me to think straight. You are correct, about a dozen years earlier. The point was that it stuck with me, all those years like a nice PTSD.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Dec 21 2023 3:01 utc | 273