Palestine Open Thread 2023-304
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Posted by b on December 15, 2023 at 14:53 UTC | Permalink
next page »According to WSJ the flooding of tunnels as a test was "successful". It seems every headline is Biden trying to set a red line and getting spit in his face.
Posted by: Nodag | Dec 15 2023 15:43 utc | 2
Last night I discovered The Electronic Intifada for the first time. Great recent news source. They are tuned into various sources IN Gaza almost as rapidly as events unfold. Learned a lot last night about the resilience of the resistance there. Well worth looking into. It will be a go-to on a regular basis for me.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 15:52 utc | 3
Every day a new humiliation of the United States by Israel.
Posted by: cafe4 | Dec 15 2023 16:06 utc | 4
Note - as The Ukranian Civil War winds down the pressure to sheep dip 50,000 battle hardened volunteers from Chechnen, Dagestan, and Tartarstan and send them to the Levant will increase.
Posted by: Exile | Dec 15 2023 16:14 utc | 5
The Palestinian Resistance begins to strike critical 'civilian' infrastructure:
17:39 Israeli media reports power outage in Beit Shemesh after a missile hit the town which lies in west of occupied Al-Quds
Queue the ICC screeches of "War Crimes! War Crimes War Crimes!" ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 15 2023 16:15 utc | 6
“US have made it plain they want Hamas ousted and Gaza to come under the control of their west bank stooge.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 15 2023 15:40 utc | 1
As in Ukraine atm… it’s less and less important to the ME what US wants to see.
Keep running the videos of the IDF singing Hanukkah from the loudspeakers at a Mosque … keep going US…show your “power” to the feckless “Arab Muslim World”…your “importance” will come to pass.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 15 2023 16:18 utc | 7
The dashing General Yahya Sarea assures us that only non-Izzraeli ships will be targeted in the Red Sea:
Yemen’s Armed Forces spokesman, General Yahya Sarea announced that the Yemeni navy carried out a military operation against two container ships heading to the “Israeli” entity.Addressing a public rally in Sanaa in support of Gaza, General Sarea said, “The operation targeted the two ships: MSC Alanya and MSC PALATIUM III.”
The two ships heading to the entity were targeted with two suitable naval missiles, General Sarea added.
“The targeting of the ships came after their crews refused to respond to the calls of the Yemeni Navy and warning fire messages.”
General Sarea reassured all ships heading to ports worldwide, except “Israeli” ports, that they will not be harmed, and that they should keep their transponders on.
That's two more ships today for a total of four ?
I'm a bit disappointed in the Houthi though, I think they should have closed all shipping through the Bab El Mandeb, Izzraeli or not.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 15 2023 16:20 utc | 8
Declan Hayes reporting on the commencement of the flooding of the tunnels SCF:
"The scenes from Gaza are already post-apocalyptic, with Israel parading naked men about as human shields, whilst shell shocked children have limbs amputated with no anaesthetic by heroic surgeons Israeli snipers shoot at through hospital windows and other innocent children, who dreamed childish dreams about being doctors, vets or gamers are now gone, their lives expunged like cigarette butts under Israeli jackboots."
Posted by: ld | Dec 15 2023 16:20 utc | 9
Correction:
The dashing General Yahya Sarea assures us that only Izzraeli ships will be targeted in the Red Sea:
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 15 2023 16:20 utc | 8
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 15 2023 16:24 utc | 10
Is the USA partnered closely with Israel in an act of genocide?
COVID was all about mail in ballots and a rigged election. How many people in the World died to get Biden elected? How was Biden able to predict the pandemic before it happened?
The genocide of the Palestinians has American fingerprints on it too.
A deliberate atrocity designed to provoke “do Gooder Putin” into an intemperate response which traps Russia into a second front, provokes Iran into actions which can be used as an excuse for war, destabilises the Middle East, disrupts the `Belt and Road initiative, and leaves the BRICS in turmoil, if not at each others throats.
The evidence is in front of you. The support of Israel by the `West is all the evidence we need for us to know the purpose and the instigators behind the Genocide.
The West is revealed in all its filth, corruption, and murderous manipulations.
Fortunately, Putin and the majority of the World understand the “game” being played, and are allowing the US and the West to reveal their true and revolting nature.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Dec 15 2023 16:29 utc | 11
HAMAS is stiil firing rockets indiscriminatly at Israel from gaza often from human shielded outposts and ISRAEL has done nothing to take out those areas, even though in war that would be allowed.
Posted by: genocidel | Dec 15 2023 16:59 utc | 12
What are you talking about you talking about? There is no instance of HAMAS using human shields at all.
Izzrael has been taking out everything whether it's HAMAS or civilian, up to executing babies in their incubators.
Aside:
genocidel. Is that like "genocide" + "incel" ?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 15 2023 17:05 utc | 12
But of those alleged 20000 how many are child soldiers, male soldiers, women soldiers or others helping fight against Israel ?
Are you trying to convince us or yourself that the mass slaying of thousands of infants is justified because they are terrorists? Your soul will burn in everlasting pit of human shit for the monstrous atrocities you endorse. Your ancestors would turn their backs on you. Doubt it not.
Have you no fucking decency at all?
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 15 2023 17:06 utc | 13
Map showing live shipping traffic
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:26.0/centery:36.2/zoom:2
Scroll over blip and get ship info from AIS tracking
Posted by: Exile | Dec 15 2023 17:07 utc | 14
@ aristodemos 3
"...The Electronic Intifada ... Well worth looking into."
I stopped reading the California college professor's website over 10 years ago, when he accused Gilad Atzmon of being an anti-semite. It was just a short entry and Dr. Ali Abunimah did not give any proof or context for his accusation. Someone pulled his string and the little puppet just fibbed. It was obvious BS, an attack at a moment when we most needed to hear what Atzmon was saying. After I discovered Dr. Abunimah was willing to tell one lie, I didn't care to stick around to hear the next lie or the one after that. Electronic Intifada carries a lot of news and even 10 years later, I guess most of it is true, as it was back then. But it's not worth my time to try to pick out the poison, and the toxin could be so cleverly disguised that I might accidentally swallow it. I have other news sources offering less material per site, but I can trust them.
ALL college professors have their careers at stake, so they are muzzled. If they step out of line, their career gets cancelled. Voltaire from the 1700's: "He who dares not offend, dares not tell the truth." Norman Finkelstein was denied tenure at St. Paul Univ. in Chicago after years of teaching and stellar recommendations. Around 2019, a professor in Canada, Saskatchewan IIRC, who had tenure for many years and thought he could speak some truth about Palestine in a measured manner, found himself out of a job within the week.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Dec 15 2023 17:08 utc | 15
These scumbag apologists seem to not understand, as they crop up like mushrooms on shit.
No one is buying your fucking lies and prevarications anymore.
Everyone can see exactly what you are doing to Gaza. Israel is an illegitimate terrorist state. Through their actions, as with Nazi Germany, they have lost any right to rule.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 15 2023 17:09 utc | 16
I am for peace among the people in the levant.
Posted by: genocidal | Dec 15 2023 17:07 utc | 17
Says "genocidal".
It is really your nickname that tells us what your are for.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 15 2023 17:09 utc | 17
“Israel has created safe passages for the gazans, alerted them to move, has risked and lost Israeli soldiers lives in order to avoid gazan "civilian" casualties.” @genocidel 12
Ah yes, just like “no one has done more for Gazan aid than the United States, minus the JDAMs and metric tonnage of bunker buster bombs Israel is using indiscriminately to murder and maim without a word of condemnation from us as we vote down every U.N. ceasefire resolution.“
Israelis prove themselves increasingly incapable of functional governance with every passing day. They’re no different than Ukraine in that they’ll immediately change tune once the money cuts off. They’re much different than Ukraine in that they’ve successfully purchased the bulk of congressional representation.
Posted by: Tony Jackson | Dec 15 2023 17:10 utc | 18
"..COVID was all about mail in ballots and a rigged election. How many people in the World died to get Biden elected? " CitizenSmith | Dec 15 2023 16:29 utc | 11
See the neither Ukraine or Gaza thread for my reply.
Posted by: bevin | Dec 15 2023 17:13 utc | 19
When asked why Hamas built 500 km of tunnels but not shelters for civilians in Gaza, Abu Marzuk said that the tunnels are built to protect Hamas fighters, while it is the responsibility of UN to protect the civilians."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mousa_Abu_Marzook
Posted by: g | Dec 15 2023 17:04 utc | 13
Abu Marzuk is wrong here.
It is the occupier's duty to protect civilians.
The occupier being Izzrael.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 15 2023 17:13 utc | 20
Posted by: g | Dec 15 2023 17:19 utc | 24
Do you support the genocide of Palestinians being carried out by Zionist Jews in Gaza and the West Bank?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 15 2023 17:23 utc | 21
https://www.ship-technology.com/news/shipping-giant-maersk-halts-southern-red-sea-voyages/
“AP Moller-Maersk has instructed all its vessels headed for the southern entrance to the Red Sea to halt immediately due to heightened hijack fears.
“The Danish cargo giant sent a message to all its crews in the vicinity of the Bab al-Mandab Strait to stop after the Maersk Gibraltar was attacked on Thursday, and another line’s vessel was attacked on Friday, 15 December.
“We are deeply concerned about the highly escalated security situation in the southern Red Sea and Gulf of Aden. The recent attacks on commercial vessels in the area are alarming and pose a significant threat to the safety and security of seafarers,” Maersk said in a statement. “
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Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 15 2023 17:27 utc | 22
The Empire expels grunts of displeasure:
Axios reported on Friday that the administration of US President Joe Biden has sent warning messages to the Yemeni revolutionaries over attacks on ships in the Red Sea and against the Zionist entity.The American news website cited two US officials as saying that the US messages were delivered via several channels.
US special envoy for Yemen Tim Lenderking, who visited the Gulf in recent days, asked his counterparts in Saudi Arabia, Oman and Qatar to convey warning messages to the Houthis, the officials said, according to Axios.
Lenderking stressed the US is highly concerned about Houthi attacks that threaten freedom of navigation in international waters, the report added.
It cited the officials as saying that “several countries in the region gave similar messages to the Houthis over the last two weeks and made clear Houthi attacks on vessels in the Red Sea or against Israel over their territory are unacceptable.”
However, the officials admitted that “these warnings so far haven’t led the Houthis to de-escalate their attacks,” according to the American news website.
Axios highlighted, meanwhile, that the arrival of merchant ships at the Israeli port of “Eilat”, known in Arabic as Um Al-Rashrash has “almost completely stopped” due to attacks from the Yemeni revolutionaries against ships in the Red Sea bounded for the Zionist entity.
Since the start of the Israeli aggression on October 7th, more than 70 drones and ballistic missiles were launched from Yemen towards the Zionist entity, the news website reported.
It added that in recent weeks, the “Houthis” escalated their attacks and started targeting commercial ships in the vicinity of the Bab el-Mandeb strait in the Red Sea.
Earlier on Thursday, the Yemeni Navy staged a drone attack on a cargo ship, which was en route to the Zionist entity.
In a statement, the Yemeni Armed Forces announced the attack, adding that a direct hit was confirmed after the Maersk Gibraltar’s crew refused to respond to warning calls from the Yemeni Naval Forces.
The Yemeni Armed Forces underlined that they will go ahead with operations aimed at preventing all ships heading to Israeli occupation ports from navigating in the Arabian and Red Seas until the entry of needed food and medicine to the Palestinian people in the besieged Gaza Strip.
Source: Axios (edited by Al-Manar English Website)
Should the West send the bulk of it's navies to the region they will only provide the Resistance with a target rich environment.
Hold your friends close.
Hold your enemies closer.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 15 2023 17:29 utc | 23
because Son Of Hamas has said HAMAS lies and lies and lies.
Posted by: genocidal | Dec 15 2023 17:32 utc | 28
I didn't know HAMAS had a Son. Did HAMAS perhaps beget this Son upon the bountiful hips of MOSSAD?
Besides, everyone knows the Izzraelis lie and lie and lie ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 15 2023 17:34 utc | 24
Israel-Palestine Weekly Update: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/israel-palestine-weekly-update-1e7
Posted by: Robert Hamilton Camp | Dec 15 2023 17:48 utc | 25
No. It is you who are an advocate of Genocide. How do I know this? You (and unfortunataly others at MOA) have written at MOA many times to advocate killing everybody in Israel is fine.
Posted by: genocidal | Dec 15 2023 17:45 utc | 31
Rubbish.
Here is what I advocated:
Convention-0000 of the Fair World Order:Principle a): The term "civilian" does not apply to any part of a settler colonial occupation. The correct term to apply to non-combatants engaged in settler colonialism is simply "occupiers" since they are actively engaged in the act of "occupation".
Principle b): Since these "occupiers" (referenced in Principle a)) inflict the bulk of the injustice of occupation upon the native population (being active in the actual theft and dispossession of land and removal of it's cultural and ethnic character) it follows that any resistance carried out by native population should equally, or to an even greater degree, be carried out against the non-combatant component of the occupation.
Principle c): The intent and effectiveness of Principle a) and Principle b) is to levy an extreme price on the practice of settler colonialism and thereby act as a deterrent to future colonial acts: The assurance that all supporters, facilitators and executors of settler colonialism, regardless of the means of these actions (whether by military or other means) will be legal targets of resistance in perpetuity should provide a deterrent effect, or a means of redress once the enforcement of Convention-0000 is in effect.
Provision 1 of Convention-0000: Children of the Settler Occupier
Provision 1.1: Children of the settler occupiers are essentially human shields brought onto an active battlefield. These children are to be regarded as victims of occupation and all efforts made to remove them from the battlefield by the occupier.
Provision 1.2: Should settler occupier children be harmed as a collateral effect of carrying out resistance actions the judgement and penalty will be levied against the settler occupiers responsible for placing those children in harm's way.
Provision 1.3: Should settler occupier children exceed the age of minority and remain on the active battlefield it shall reasonably be assumed that they have consented to the practice of settler occupation and shall be subject to Principles a), b) and c).Provision 2 of Convention-0000: Employees of the Settler Occupier
Provision 2.1: Contracted Employees of the Settler Occupier shall be regarded as willing participants in the process of settler occupation. The evidence of consent is to be represented by the contract signed by the employee.
Provision 3 of Convention-0000: Slaves of the Settler Occupier
Provision 3.1: Provision 1.1 of Convention-0000 apply to slaves or forced labour used by the settler occupier to facilitate an occupation.
Provision 3.2: With the addition: Should slaves be granted freedom and remain on the active battlefield it shall reasonably be assumed that they have consented to the practice of settler occupation and shall be subject to Principles a) b) and c).
So again, my question that you are too cowardly to answer:
Do you support the genocide of Palestinians being carried out by Zionist Jews (the IDF and others) in Gaza and the West Bank?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 15 2023 17:51 utc | 26
You never heard of Son of Hamas ? google it. Then watch his videos and read his writings.
Posted by: genocidal | Dec 15 2023 17:51 utc | 34
I googled "Son of Hamas" unfortunately I must have mistyped because I got "Son of IDF" instead:
The ‘Sheer Evil’ of Israel’s War Crimes: Israeli General’s Son Speaks Out:
Miko Peled On Israel's GENOCIDAL War On Gaza
He's the Son of IDF, he wouldn't lie to us right?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 15 2023 18:00 utc | 27
Lol g,
Haniyeh’s deputy, Mousa Abu Marzouk, suggested Hamas might be willing to recognize Israel but later appeared to walk back the statement. Abu Marzouk told Al-Monitor, “You should follow the official stance” of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, which recognized Israel as a state under the 1993 Oslo Accords.The following day, Abu Marzouk said there was a “misunderstanding,” adding, “I therefore confirm that Hamas does not recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation and does not concede any of the rights of our Palestinian people. We confirm that the resistance will continue to liberation and return.”
Posted by: Stonedar | Dec 15 2023 18:03 utc | 28
Lol g,
Haniyeh’s deputy, Mousa Abu Marzouk, suggested Hamas might be willing to recognize Israel but later appeared to walk back the statement. Abu Marzouk told Al-Monitor, “You should follow the official stance” of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, which recognized Israel as a state under the 1993 Oslo Accords.The following day, Abu Marzouk said there was a “misunderstanding,” adding, “I therefore confirm that Hamas does not recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation and does not concede any of the rights of our Palestinian people. We confirm that the resistance will continue to liberation and return.”
Posted by: Stonedar | Dec 15 2023 18:03 utc | 29
If the intention is to massacre the population of Gaza and the West Bank, No.
Posted by: g | Dec 15 2023 17:56 utc | 35
So you're saying that you support the bombing to death of thousands of children and thousands of adults by Izzrael AS LONG AS IT WAS NOT THE INTENT OF THE IDF?
How do you know what the intent of Izzrael is? They have clearly said in public on television their intent is to wipe out the population of gaza. The Izzraeli government have stated their intent and it is a matter of public record.
So, given the above fact from which follows that we've established the INTENT, can you now answer in absolute terms:
Do you support the genocide of Palestinians being carried out by Zionist Jews in Gaza and the West Bank?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 15 2023 18:10 utc | 30
Citizen Smith 11
Putin is the antithesis of "intemperate."
He displays amazing self control and self discipline.
He does not react emotionally.
When he is angry, he just tells a joke.
He has been the subject of western vilification and smears for years.
He remains cool and calculating throughout, and does not allow himself to be provoked by western muppets.
Posted by: anon | Dec 15 2023 18:15 utc | 31
As the occupying power, it’s the responbility of the Likud gov’t to protect, feed, house, and care for the Arab refugees from Gaza. That’s international law.
Perhaps the Likud would be wise to help the Gaza Refugees return to Jaffa, Deir Yassim, and Beersheba.
Posted by: Exile | Dec 15 2023 18:17 utc | 32
We hear very little of Somalia yet out of blue it seems they successfully highjack a ship. A mostly Islamic country. Possibly just good old piracy, possibly related to Gaza and what the Houthi are doing?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 15 2023 18:18 utc | 33
genocide 12
It amazes me how the hasbara merchants can lie through their teeth so brazenly.
It must be a combination of natural talent, years of practice and genetic inheritance.
Israel has not given a single shekel's worth of aid to Gaza. They always skim off the top from any foreign aid that reaches Gaza.
They whine and kvetch and oy vey about "Hamas rockets" while dropping the equivalent of more than 4 atom bombs on Gaza.
If there are no Gaza "civilians", then how many Zionist "civilians" are there?
How many of them are male soldiers, female soldiers, or child future settlers?
They have the chutzpah to belly ache about "holocausts" from ancient history and demand a "holocaust" museum on every street corner whilst brazenly and repeatedly declaring their intention to commit genocide, and demanding that everybody else cheerlead them as they do so.
Posted by: anon | Dec 15 2023 18:27 utc | 35
The West is revealed in all its filth, corruption, and murderous manipulations.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Dec 15 2023 16:29 utc | 11
Those who take a longer look and have the eyes to see are able to put the US government’s complicity in Israel’s genocide of Palestinians in the context of the intermittent US genocide of Iraqis beginning with Desert Storm in the early 1990s.
Sec. of State Madeleine Albright’s statement that the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children due to actual war, cancers caused by remnant radiation from depleted Uranium munitions, and lack of food and medicine caused by US embargoes remains a frightening admission of the utterly degraded morality of US decision makers.
To expect the US to stop Israel from the current genocide, or even to divert their course of action, is inconsistent with past decades of US actions. It will continue until there is either revolutionary regime change, optimistically via elections, institution of term limits, elimination of the power of lobbyists, and elimination of political donations in the US (all highly unlikely), or the isolation of the US by the ROW (also highly unlikely to be accomplished in time to save the Palestinians.
The US is relying upon the opposition of the ROW to a world war, bringing brinksmanship to its most cynical state yet.
Posted by: Ciaran | Dec 15 2023 18:28 utc | 36
Arch Bungle, do you support the deportation of millions of Afghans by Pakistan and Iran?
Posted by: g | Dec 15 2023 18:13 utc | 40
Why did you include only Pakistan and Iran in your list?
Come on, show a moral spine: make a complete list of countries doing this, add the US, European countries and Izzrael too.
I'll give you an answer then.
Unlike you, I have the moral spine to answer these questions once they're put honestly.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 15 2023 18:33 utc | 37
Which Holocaust ?
60 million Chinese by Tojo - Mao
30 million Russians by Bolsheviks
25 million Russians by Fascists
10 million Congolese by Belgians - Leopold II
9 million Koreans by the Pentagon - MacArthur
9 million Chinese by the English - Sassoons
8 million Iranians by the English - Churchill
6 million Southeast Asians by the Pentagon-Kissinger
5 million Bengalis by the English - Churchill
4 million Philippinos by the Americans
4 million Irish by the English
Posted by: Exile | Dec 15 2023 18:43 utc | 38
How is it that so very few give a siht about a couple of million Muslims being deported to be abused in Afghanistan, while many more are outraged beyond repair over a couple million the surrounding powers that be won't let out of Gaza and won't go to war for?
Answer; Not in their best interests, with full knowledge of how women and young boys are going to be treated.
Don't do to others what you wouldn't want done to you, unless you need to.
Posted by: g | Dec 15 2023 18:13 utc | 40
Israel needs to create concentration camps in Israel and put their prisoners there. A final solution to the Palestinian problem can be devised. Some Jewish wit can try his hand at a Hebrew variation on signpost on the front gate:
التخلي عن الوطن يجلب الحرية.
ויתור על המולדת מביא חופש.
Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 15 2023 18:43 utc | 39
Narratives need to be kneeded into form to fit such false reality.
Twisted logic to arrive at a unsupportable truths which cannot survive the light of day.
The Light at the very end.
GazaLet there be no rest
Until we can exist
Let there be no emotion
Until we have freedom
Let there be no pain
Until I see you again
Posted by: Stonedar | Dec 15 2023 18:48 utc | 40
In conclusion ‘g’:
You need to look to Nazi Germany for relevant analogs of State of Israel’s mindset, intent, and behavior. Many have commented on the uncanny parallels over the years.
IR occupying Iran has done many misdeeds but generously hosting millions of Afghanis over the years is not one of them.
Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 15 2023 18:48 utc | 41
The only definitive attribute of being a 'Jew' ... is their innate belief that they are SUPERIOR, CHOSEN... even those who claim to not believe in God.
Is it not that mistaken belief that enables them to accept the genocide of others ?
Please don't throw down that "cultural" card... prior to Oct. 7th Israel was experiencing months of protests against Netanyahoo and his advancement of 'judicial reform'... while so-called 'secular' Jews were interviewed relating the various cultural differences amongst Israeli 'Jews'.
As for the comment upthread that 'israel' has 'lost' its legitimacy ... it is my view that it never possessed legitimacy... only the protection of the USA enabled zionists to steal and continue to steal property from the Palestinians and claim to be a 'nation' while ONLY an occupier. 'isreal' has never 'established' boundaries... because it will NEVER stop stealing land until only a handful of others exist across the planet.
Posted by: crone | Dec 15 2023 18:51 utc | 42
g @ 1704
Anyone who cites Wickedpedia on these matters is under immediate suspicion.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 18:56 utc | 44
Jess D Truth @1708
Where I'd agree with you totally is the fickleness of the college professors. They are held to account by the Deep $tate and other nasty actors.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 18:59 utc | 45
Tony Shaffer is showing his true colors on Judge Napolitano program today. He is defending Israel and the IDF and denying that what is happening in GAZA is not a genocide. His words are: "I don't see the genocide that other people are talking about at this point." He also said that: "The IDF is doing the best that they can to save lives in GAZA.
I say fuck Tony Shaffer. He has always hedged his bets on both Ukraine, and now GAZA. In other words, he is a DOG and other dogs are nipping at his heels, and I think the nipping dogs are Zionist; both Jewish and Christians.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 15 2023 19:03 utc | 46
TonyJackson@1710
THE primary hold that the Talmudists hold over the Congre$$critters is bribery and blackmail. Think that pair of Queenly sorts like Linda Graham and Miss Triplechin from Kaintuck. Both of those $enators "represent" two of the most homophobic and "born again" types in the whole nation. If they accede to the blackmail, then they're good for the goodies.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 19:03 utc | 47
ECONOMIC DAMAGE TO ISRAEL !!!
https://nitter.net/RaniaKhalek/status/1735546541329334574#m
Rania Khalek
@RaniaKhalek
12h
The resistance axis is doing great damage to Israel’s economy, with Yemen being the big game changer. According to Israeli paper Haaretz:
1
THE GAZA FRONT (HAMAS) “has forced Israel to call up some 360,000 reservists and evacuate tens of thousands of people from their homes in the south while much economic activity there has ground to a halt.”
2
THE LEBANON FRONT (HEZBOLLAH) “is doing much the same economic damage in the north.
The cost to the economy from these two fronts has been enormous. The treasury expects the Israeli economy to shrink by a 15 percent annual rate in the fourth quarter. Including workers being put on unpaid leave, unemployment soared to 9.6 percent in October – from 3.6 percent the previous month. Retail sales remain depressed, while incoming tourism has sunk to pandemic levels.”
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THE YEMEN FRONT “presents an entirely new threat to the economy because it is targeting Israel's international trade.
The Houthi attacks are already pinching Israel's maritime trade. Cargo traffic at Eilat port is down by 80 percent and the cost of marine insurance for Israeli-owned (and now presumably Israel-bound) vessels is soaring. Companies like Israel's Zim are rerouting their ships away from the Red Sea, having them go around Africa instead – a change that adds two weeks to the voyage. All of this will add to the costs of imports, which will be passed on to the Israeli consumer.”
haaretz.com/israel-news/2023…
Posted by: MD | Dec 15 2023 19:04 utc | 48
ECONOMIC DAMAGE TO ISRAEL !!!
https://nitter.net/RaniaKhalek/status/1735546541329334574#m
Rania Khalek
@RaniaKhalek
12h
The resistance axis is doing great damage to Israel’s economy, with Yemen being the big game changer. According to Israeli paper Haaretz:
1
THE GAZA FRONT (HAMAS) “has forced Israel to call up some 360,000 reservists and evacuate tens of thousands of people from their homes in the south while much economic activity there has ground to a halt.”
2
THE LEBANON FRONT (HEZBOLLAH) “is doing much the same economic damage in the north.
The cost to the economy from these two fronts has been enormous. The treasury expects the Israeli economy to shrink by a 15 percent annual rate in the fourth quarter. Including workers being put on unpaid leave, unemployment soared to 9.6 percent in October – from 3.6 percent the previous month. Retail sales remain depressed, while incoming tourism has sunk to pandemic levels.”
3
THE YEMEN FRONT “presents an entirely new threat to the economy because it is targeting Israel's international trade.
The Houthi attacks are already pinching Israel's maritime trade. Cargo traffic at Eilat port is down by 80 percent and the cost of marine insurance for Israeli-owned (and now presumably Israel-bound) vessels is soaring. Companies like Israel's Zim are rerouting their ships away from the Red Sea, having them go around Africa instead – a change that adds two weeks to the voyage. All of this will add to the costs of imports, which will be passed on to the Israeli consumer.”
haaretz.com/israel-news/2023…
Posted by: MD | Dec 15 2023 19:04 utc | 49
There's little if anything I believe anymore. The last nail in my trust coffin was nailed by the scamdemic. The fear porn overwhelmed my good sense and I'll do my best not to Let that happen again. As to the slaughter in Gaza; the pictures of the destroyed infrastructure and homes tells me everything I need to know. The whole western world has turned out to be a monster civilization. Leadership ALL feckless. 75 years of the people/sheeple being taught self flagellation and self hate has taken Germany, a once great civilization into a nation that prostrates itself before the US and the globalist financial cartel. Anyone who believes that the chosen people don't run the western world is wilfully blind.
Posted by: Bob | Dec 15 2023 19:07 utc | 50
Arch @1729
One of your best. The Houthis are totally hard-core, perhaps even more so than the Afghans. If the collectivized Waste thinks they can batter those guys, they certainly got another think coming. Maritime security is now constipated on both the Ba/Suez and the entrance to the Persian Gulf. That does it for world oil supplies and all that depends on that basis for contemporary "civilization". Now, should Algeria get into the act and make matters a bit sticky around Gibraltar, all bets are off. It would be a three-way freeway with a total traffic-jam and the end of the world economy as we know it.
The Wild-Cards are in the catbird seat.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 19:12 utc | 52
g @1756
So Mo$$ad has you and Genocidist doing the old tag team routine. Now that we know the identities of Larry and Curly, where the hell is Moe?
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 19:19 utc | 55
Posted by: MD | Dec 15 2023 19:04 utc | 63
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Great share. The only thing these racial supremacist psychopaths understand is money. No money, no funny.
Also helps bleed out the Empire of Lies faster, which will contribute to undermining US domestic support for Israel.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 15 2023 19:24 utc | 56
After reading seriously deranged twits on X with hundreds of approving replies, I am not particularly surprised:
Reese began walking back to his classroom, the teacher added, when she says she heard him yelling, “She is a stupid motherf***er, and I will drag her by the back of my car and cut her f***ing head off for disrespecting my Jewish flag,” the report stated. [This middle school teacher put Israel flag on the classroom wall, and a Muslim girl objected]
A separate adult witness reported to the deputy she heard Reese yell at the student, “You don’t make an antisemitic comment like that to a Jew,” and later shouting in the hallway that he would “slit her f***ing throat” when talking about the students. That teacher said Reese was yelling loudly and cursing down the hallway back into his classroom.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 15 2023 19:25 utc | 57
Peter AU @1818
Whether piracy or support of the resistance maybe doesn't matter so much as related to the naval resources of the Collective Waste powers. They hafta be scratching their noggins while playing whack-a-mole, busy dispatching units to the latest scene of maritime trade's imminent collapse. The war is becoming existential even to those comfortably squatting in front of their boobtoobs, glorking down Miller Swiller or Bud Blight...Molsons in Canuckistan...Carlsberg in Denmark and whatever it is in Down Under.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 19:27 utc | 58
To the Bar at large, genocidal and "g" are both here to sidetrack discussion on this very influential website from discussing the criminality and apartheid of the Zionists.
As much as their hasbara posts ask for it, give them a miss. They have nothing of value to contribute except squandering your energy.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 15 2023 19:27 utc | 59
James @ 1828
Didn't take long. Now we know that fake James is Moe. See my posting at 1919
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 19:33 utc | 60
Re: IDF killing its own:
In addition to the 3 Israeli POWs killed by the IDF today……
Friendly Fire has killed 20 additional IDF conscripts in Gazs plus….
The 200-500 Israelis massacred by the IDF on 7.Oct
Posted by: Exile | Dec 15 2023 19:33 utc | 61
So Mo$$ad has you and Genocidist doing the old tag team routine. Now that we know the identities of Larry and Curly, where the hell is Moe?
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 19:19 utc | 70
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Good lord, these two aren’t even Shemps.
(That’s unfair, I know. Shemp did really have talent.)
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 15 2023 19:34 utc | 62
Exile @1843
Didn't do the math, but it sure adds up. Thanks for sharing the research. Looks like it's the imperialists, colonizers and in the coverted background, the primary capital financiers.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 19:37 utc | 65
squatting in front of their boobtoobs, glorking down Miller Swiller or Bud Blight...Molsons in Canuckistan...Carlsberg in Denmark and whatever it is in Down Under.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 19:27 utc | 74
Fosters?
Posted by: Exile | Dec 15 2023 18:43 utc | 53
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The US knew people were being "delivered for slaughter" during a political purge in Indonesia during the 1960s, declassified documents reveal.
At least 500,000 people were killed between 1965 and 1966, after the army and local Muslim militia went on a rampage following an attempted coup.
It was one of the worst massacres of the 20th Century, but, at the time, Washington remained silent.
Five decades later, the contents of the US telegrams are chilling.
According to one from US embassy staff in East Java, dated 28 December 1965, "victims are taken out of populous areas before being killed and bodies are buried rather than thrown in river" as they had been previously. The telegram says prisoners suspected of being communists are also "being delivered to civilians for slaughter".
Another document compiled by the US embassy's first secretary, dated 17 December 1965, was a detailed list of the communist leaders across the country and whether they had been arrested or killed.
But the documents also make for uncomfortable reading for Indonesia's biggest and most powerful Muslim organisations.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41651047
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"They came on carts pulled by cows...their hands were tied together with rope. They were forced to kneel, then shot in the back by soldiers and kicked into mass graves."
The violence was unleashed after communists were accused of killing six generals in an attempted coup. It was the peak of the Cold War and a power battle between communists, the military and Islamic groups was in full swing.
The army and local militia went on an anti-Communist rampage, killing, it is estimated, at least half-a-million and up to three million people within a year.
For almost 50 years speaking about that time has been taboo and official history books gloss over the killings.
Where previous governments refused to apologise or even accept that it happened, President Joko Widodo's investigation has seen senior ministers meet with survivors. There is even talk of digging up mass graves such as this.
"I am not afraid anymore, I am proud to tell you the truth. I never thought there would be a time like this. Before I only knew fear," Radim says.
But this clearly doesn't come without risks."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36431837
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So, how did you forget the worst CIA controlled genocide in history? Was the genocide not aired on TV?
Posted by: Ed | Dec 15 2023 19:38 utc | 67
"Which Holocaust?"
@Exile | Dec 15 2023 18:43 utc | 53
Not asked often enough ....
Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 15 2023 19:38 utc | 68
I don't understand why "g" thinks Pakistan and Iran returning Afghanis back to Afghanland now that the Anglos are gone and the war is over is an issue. They were war refugees and the war is over and they need to go back home and build their country. Refugees are supposed to be temporary, not permanent.
Similarly, Syrians in Europe and Palestinians in camps in Lebanon and Jordan and elsewhere should be allowed/encouraged to go back home, the former to Syria and the latter to Israel.
Posted by: Caliman | Dec 15 2023 19:39 utc | 69
RobintheHood @1848
That analog between the Zionist invaders and the 3rd Reich Nazis suggests to me that reincarnation is currently having a grand old time transpositioning the killers from one era into the current iteration. Yes, it appears that even Lady Karma has a sense of humor...however mordant.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 19:40 utc | 70
Bob @1907
"Cri de Coeur" of another Awakener. May this horror in Gaza help to awaken billions of caring people right across the globe.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 19:44 utc | 71
Genocidist @1921
As a colonizer, the former Tsarist domain with its colonization measures...trying to keep up with the exo-colonizers such as Britain, France and the Netherlands...has transmutated into the current RU, or Russian Federation which has done much for their various ethnicities.
Case in point: Check out the roles which the Chechen units have undertaken, such as the liberation of Mariupol from the Azov battalion and other genociders. Not so many years back, a proportion of Chechens, those of the Islamist faction, were defeated by the Russians in a very bloody war. After peace was imposed, Russia went out of its way to rebuild Grozny into a thriving metropolis.
The cooler heads amongst the Chechens then realized that they are a PART of the Russian Federation.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 19:51 utc | 72
Not shure if it has been mentioned and not shure in which tread to actually post it.
but Masha Gessen's (famous Putin critic) was supposed to be awarded with the Hannah Arendt Prize (in Germany) but after she compared Gaza with the Warsaw Ghetto (in the NewYorker), the award was postponed / canceled.
It seems like the Heinrich Böll Stiftung (Green party) pulled the support.
Intresting angle i think, if the Böll Stiftung rumor is true.
Not that it really matters what she says but it reveals a crack with in the establishment which only will grow. Her virulent anti-Putinism and trans activism is not enough if it comes to german historical self image.
What a shit show…
Posted by: El.Lissitzky | Dec 15 2023 19:52 utc | 73
Love Donbass@1927
Those Ha$Barfas do make for convenient whipping boys, particularly if one re-employs them as humorous butts of affection.
If one constantly takes them serious and merely attempts to rebut their ridiculous statements, then at some level or another, they win. However, when they are transmutated into laughing-stocks, then their wounded egos as well as wounded-weenies shrivel and cringe.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 19:56 utc | 74
ED at #83 Dec 15th
The BBC? Pull the other one. They probably just invented that 'report' - anything to portray Muslims as terrorists, while lying about 'israel' and zionists.
Posted by: crone | Dec 15 2023 19:56 utc | 75
"Profanity is the distraught cry of the inarticulate."
Unknown
Posted by: g | Dec 15 2023 18:40 utc | 52
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g, you are a moron. Now turn off the computer before your mom finds out how stupid you and aristodemos @ OU812 really are. Nappy time you guys.
Posted by: ED | Dec 15 2023 19:59 utc | 76
Canuck @ 1938
Thanks for the reminder. Fosters for sure. As I suffer from CIO (Chronic Information Overload) my memory-glands tend to sag on occasion.
BTW: I do love me some Moosehead, initiated in 1867 along with Confederation. Even one bottle packs a punch, while tasting much better than IPOs. Now, it doesn't quite attain the status of the Tuborg Elephant which the Danes themselves drink (the export stuff here in the U$A is no match whatsoforever). Two of them, when I was residing briefly in Christiana's anarchistic enclave back in '79, just about had me crawling back to my bunk, only a couple hundred meters away.
So when do the Canuckistanis get their balls brazened enough to dump King Chuck and Dominion status, along with the Crown Lands monopoly? "True North Brave and Free" with its two little Dick-Taters even makes the U$$A look beneficent by comparison.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 20:05 utc | 77
Posted by: Ed | Dec 15 2023 19:38
Thanks for reminding me of that horrific slaughter in 1965 of innocent Indonesians. Ashamed that I forgot about it - despite having lived in Bandung for a full year 30 some years ago
Posted by: Exile | Dec 15 2023 20:08 utc | 78
Posted by: crone | Dec 15 2023 19:56 utc | 94
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If you knew anything about history, you would know it is true. You should read some of Noam Chomsky's works; he covered it in great detail in his book "Manufacturing Consent." as well as other works.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 15 2023 20:10 utc | 79
Ed @1938
Thanks for the refill. Many of even this lot of posters may have been blissfully ignorant of those dirty deeds perpetrated to keep the Cold War narrative thriving...just in time for the Tonkin Gulf "incident" concocted by the Crypto LBJ.
Interesting sidelight: Obaminable was THERE in Indonesia as a young boy. His mother has long been outed as being a CIAgent.
All this bloody human sacrifices were the result of the CIA.Mafia/Mossad assassination of JFK on behalf of the metastasizing agenda.Both LBJ and G.H.W. Bu$h were deeply involved. As CIA since his inception, Bu$h had overseen the op in Dallas as he did the Bay of Pigs op by the Gusanos.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 20:12 utc | 80
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 19:51 utc | 90
The cooler heads amongst the Chechens then realized that they are a PART of the Russian Federation.
The cooler heads among the Palestinians will realize that accommodation with Israel is better, once Israel gets done killing ALL of Hamas.
The multi-pole world will do nothing to help Hamas.
Posted by: Zargo | Dec 15 2023 20:13 utc | 81
Re: Hannah Arendt Prize ?
The paradox is Arendt would very much have compared Gaza with the Warsaw Ghetto. As this 1948 letter to the NYTs signed by Arendt shows:
….(excerpt) .The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the goal…..
https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948
Posted by: Exile | Dec 15 2023 20:14 utc | 82
aristodemus 97
I drink exclusively European beer cause they only have 4 ingredients and aren't pasteurized. . Tesky from Poland (5% alc) when I'm not liquid-excuse the pun- La Trappe (10%) made at a Trappist monastery in Holland or Duval (8.5%) when I feel rich.
Here's is the problem with dumping King Chuck; all the major treaties with the Indigenous peoples were made by the Crown of England. If Canada dumps the Crown then the treaties are broken which means the Indigenous get their lands back.
I'm not kidding a Supreme Court Canadian justice did a paper on it.
Last night I discovered The Electronic Intifada for the first time. Great recent news source.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 15:52 utc | 3
Yes Electronic Intifada is one of the best for overall coverage, especially their livestreams twice a week. What is terrible sad though is that the voices from Gaza they've been bringing on increasingly are getting killed or not able to stay in touch. Refaat was on one of their earliest livestreams from October. They were the first to translate the Yasmin Porat interview which led to all the indy media investigations into Oct 7.
The Quds Nen telegram channel covers almost all major developments on the ground. They have a website https://qudsnen.co/ and are on X but the Telegram is the fastest and most up to date. Quds Nen was banned by FB.
It basically predates by 24-48 hours everything that will be on the news.
There is also mondoweiss of course.
People interested in military stuff can see the videos from Al Qassam and Al Quds directly although Jon Elmer on Electronic Intifada livestreams always has a good summary and analysis.
Max Blumenthal is very knowledgeable about Israel but Grayzone don't have frequent updates although his X does.
Breakthrough News youtube channel and livestreams have excellent guests.
Everyone else, such as Judge Nap's guests mostly just add opinion to info from these primary sources above, as well as summarizing from Israeli media. Most Haarezt stuff is behind a paywall.
Of the MSM only Al Jazeera and Anadolu Ajansi are worth the time of the day. Two of their journalists were attacked in an airstrike today. One has succumbed to his injuries. The one who survived had his family killed previously.
Also two Anadolu journalists were beaten up in East Jersualem.
The total number of journalists killed now is almost 90.
ps: guys just ignore the g-string and his murderous buddy. It detracts from the discussion. They'll go away when nobody pays attention.
Posted by: pq | Dec 15 2023 20:18 utc | 84
That is really funny. You are a very good comedian. Are you Jewish ? Not that there is anything wrong with that. Not that you have to be Jewish to be funny.
Posted by: genocidal | Dec 15 2023 19:45 utc | 89
Being Jewish is nothing special.
Either there is a fantasy concept behind it (religion).
Whoever wants to can believe that.
Or it has something to do with ancestry. Then someone fucked your mother who was "Jewish". This is then supposed to go back in a chain of descent to the emergence of Judaism.
In other words, the ancestors are actually non-Jews.
Israeli citizens can call themselves whatever they want
Their deeds speak for themselves.
Of course they don't mind resistance, just like IS.
The Israelis are also not criticised for their religion or their origin. A change of residence, religion, skin and eye colour would not change anything if they do not change their behaviour.
But you're here to troll.
Posted by: 600w | Dec 15 2023 20:18 utc | 85
ED @ 1959
So what got your knickers into a knot? Couldn't comprehend your numerical connexion.
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 20:20 utc | 86
" IDF killed accicently three hostages.
Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 15 2023 19:07 utc | 65 "
" accidently "
Posted by: Moonie | Dec 15 2023 20:22 utc | 87
" Anyone who believes that the chosen people don't run the western world is wilfully blind.
Posted by: Bob | Dec 15 2023 19:07 utc | 64 "
Lets be fair please, its not all the " chosen " just the 90% + who support the existence of Israel. Wouldnt want to paint a whole group with broad strokes.
Posted by: Moonie | Dec 15 2023 20:24 utc | 88
@Exile | Dec 15 2023 20:14 utc | 103
Exactly my initial thought as well.
But these days Arendt or even actual participants of the uprising would simply be canceled as well.
Don't believe your eyes!
Posted by: El.Lissitzky | Dec 15 2023 20:27 utc | 90
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 15 2023 19:27 utc | 75
They dont make a difference between nuns and moa.
https://youtube.com/shorts/7uL555xWQeE?feature=shared
Posted by: 600w | Dec 15 2023 20:28 utc | 91
Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 20:12 utc | 101
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I never replied to you, or anyone #1983. Please play by the rules or go away. You, and several others, are showing great disrespect to the commentors at MoA, and to "b" as well. If you want to reply to someone, use the correct identification. Like Love Donbass pointed out, if the trolls can't show respect to the B and the commentors at MoA, then we must ignore them. Let them talk to each other like the morons they are.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 15 2023 20:29 utc | 92
However, when they are transmutated into laughing-stocks, then their wounded egos as well as wounded-weenies shrivel and cringe.Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 15 2023 19:56 utc | 93
You are incorrect. That also serves their purposes. It can be difficult but is very simple: don’t feed the trolls.
Posted by: Rae | Dec 15 2023 20:31 utc | 93
Israeli troops accidentally kill three Israeli hostages during combat in Gaza.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 15 2023 20:34 utc | 94
China, Saudi Arabia and Iran on Friday urged for the "immediate cessation of military operations in Gaza" and the flow of "sustainable relief" to Palestinians in the tiny enclave.
The call was made in a joint statement after a meeting for the deputy foreign ministers of the three countries in the Chinese capital Beijing held to follow up on the reconciliation agreement, known as the Beijing Agreement, between Saudi Arabia and Iran.
They also categorically rejected any attempt to forcibly displace Palestinians from their lands, the statement noted.
The three countries also stressed "that any arrangement regarding the future of Palestine must reflect the will of the Palestinian people, supporting their right to establish their own state and determine their destiny."
Euro med monitor statement today said death toll is now at least 25,000 with over 51,000 injured.
There are accounted for 18,800 deaths and about 8,000 missing.
Posted by: pq | Dec 15 2023 20:39 utc | 95
those stooges do retain a bit of humor in these tragic times.
Their routine might have been some comfort in concentration camps.
conversation would be wasted, as they intend,
but some value in pointing the finger.
the broad, fictional accusations they invent
are somewhat unfriendly.
to ignore them altogether may be in the favor of deceivers.
Posted by: Not Ewe | Dec 15 2023 20:43 utc | 96
I say fuck Tony Shaffer. He has always hedged his bets on both Ukraine, and now GAZA. In other words, he is a DOG and other dogs are nipping at his heels, and I think the nipping dogs are Zionist; both Jewish and Christians.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 15 2023 19:03 utc | 61
Shaffer is another 'ex' intelligence officer. His peculiar history post 2003 suggests a covert transfer to the CIA more than a whistleblower being crushed. I think it's unwise to put any faith in any of these 'ex intelligence officers,' as whatever they may be saying now, they were once active participants in operations we all know to have been corrupt and fundamentally evil. Whatever kind of redemption arc folks might want to believe in, the fact is that just by being brought into the positions they were 'forced out of,' they were compromised, and the people they work for still have leverage over them. Most of them are pretty obviously in the Limited Hangout Business, as well as being bait to get people on watch lists. Their insights are generally far behind many of their commenters, and their allegiances get exposed by their gyrations over issues like Gaza.
Posted by: Honzo | Dec 15 2023 20:45 utc | 97
Shouts for decorum are hard to hear over the cries of the innocents whose lives were brutally cut short in a rain of fractured concrete courtesy of Uncle Sam. The tepid misdirection of the fascist apologists here, as elsewhere, is intolerable. They mouth platitudes, surely aware we can see their inner smirk and glee. Inhuman fucks sow the wind.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 15 2023 20:49 utc | 98
To the Bar at large, genocidal and "g" are both here to sidetrack discussion on this very influential website from discussing the criminality and apartheid of the Zionists.
As much as their hasbara posts ask for it, give them a miss. They have nothing of value to contribute except squandering your energy.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 15 2023 19:27 utc | 75
I was thinking the same. Just a stream of whataboutism: What you don't condemn China? Why don't you condemn X as long as it is not Israel? Somebody is beginning to realize they are not winning the PR war after all and that basically Israel sucks as a nation.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 15 2023 20:49 utc | 99
The comments to this entry are closed.
Current Gaza war map. https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=es&mid=1SrPdIEnbc9pLZIL_nD02rfOGiUuAboc&ll=31.399099577066412%2C34.36037950060921&z=11
Zionist ground operation has now slowed. Not a great deal of difference to the the last one I posted here perhaps a week ago. A block in the south has been completely cut off, at least on the surface but the two blocks in the north are not quite cut off though I assume that will occur in the near future. How long the fighters can hold out I guess depends on what they have stored underground plus whatever they can get through rat lines.
A lot has been coming out in Israeli media about Israel forces firing on Israeli civilians on Oct 7. It remains to be seen how long Israel holds together, though from what Crooke has been saying and also the open genocide intent on Israeli TV the same as in Ukraine, plus the US backing Nutty means he may stay in power as long as the US needs a useful tool to command their unsinkable aircraft carrier in the region. US have made it plain they want Hamas ousted and Gaza to come under the control of their west bank stooge.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 15 2023 15:40 utc | 1