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December 13, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-301


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Haaretz:

Graphic Videos and Incitement: How the IDF Is Misleading Israelis on Telegram (archived)
The IDF unit responsible for psychological warfare operations operates a Telegram channel called '72 Virgins – Uncensored,' which targets local audiences with 'exclusive content from the Gaza Strip'

The channel, which boasts of "exclusive content from the Gaza Strip" and has published over 700 posts, images and videos of terrorists being killed and of destruction in the Strip, encourages its 5,300 followers to share the content so that "everyone can see that we're screwing them."

The Israel Defense Forces denies that it operates the channel, but a senior military official confirmed to Haaretz that the army is responsible for operating it. "There is no reason for the IDF to conduct influence campaigns on Israeli citizens of Israel," said the official, who requested anonymity. "The messages there are problematic. It doesn't look like an awareness campaign of an army like the IDF, but more like talking points for [far-right rapper] The Shadow, and the fact that soldiers operate such a problematic page is egregious," he said.

The channel was created October 9, two days after the war began, as The Avengers. The next day the name was changed to Azazel, echoing the Hebrew pronunciation of "Gaza" and a word for hell, and then 72 Virgins – Uncensored. An October 11 post read: "Burning their mother … You won't believe the video we got! You can hear the crunch of their bones. We'll upload it right away, get ready." Images of Palestinian captives and the bodies of terrorists were captioned "Exterminating the roaches … exterminating the Hamas rats. … Share this beauty." The following text accompanies a video of an Israeli soldier allegedly dipping machine gun bullets in pork fat: "What a man!!!!! Lubricates bullets with lard. You won't get your virgins." And: "Garbage juice!!!! Another dead terrorist!! You have to watch it with the sound, you'll die laughing."

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“Principle I
Any person who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefor and liable to punishment.
Principle II
The fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law.
Principle III
The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law, acted as Head of State or responsible government official, does not relieve him from responsibility under international law.
Principle IV
Main article: Superior orders
The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.
This principle could be paraphrased as follows: “It is not an acceptable excuse to say ‘I was just following my superior’s orders'”.
Posted by: phenon | Dec 13 2023 17:10 utc | 69 ”
These laws are nice and quaint, however, tell us how you would enforce them against a USA, among others, as thousands of US citizens have been guilty of breaking most of them for decades now without any repercussions.

Posted by: Moonie | Dec 13 2023 19:04 utc | 101

Is it too difficult for you to understand that all the atrocities committed by the Israelis are justified in their belief that there is no such thing as a Palestinian civilian?
Posted by: Leuk | Dec 13 2023 14:38 utc | 16
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Actually it would be a welcome development if the “Israelis” regarded the Palestinians as people.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 13 2023 19:05 utc | 102

“…HANIYEH forgot to mention he and Hamas want to kill all the Jews everywhere.
And then everyone who’s not Muslim unless they convert.” g@101
By any standards other than those that hasbara sets this would be an atrocious blood libel. Of the sort that have been spread about Jews in the past.
It is not true- Hamas favours a Two State solution. Whether one is still practicable is another matter but it shows that Hamas is very willing to make an accomodation with the zionist settlers.
The commitment to genocide and hatred of others lies entirely on the zionist side which is practising, as often noted, plicies modelled on those of the Nazis.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 13 2023 19:16 utc | 103

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 15:30 utc | 39
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It’s a well-understood internet shorthand for the partnership between elites, globalism, and LGBTQi++%%zzz
In less secular times, it was simply known as Satanism.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 13 2023 19:19 utc | 104

Posted by: g | Dec 13 2023 19:00 utc | 101
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Perhaps you should read the Quran, or at least speak to some Muslims of knowledge.
The goal is not to kill any Jews. The Prophet PBUH put up with all sorts of shenanigans and betrayals from the Jews during his time, and he always advocated a soft approach.
When this is over, Muslims will provide a safe space for Jews and Christians to practice their beliefs regardless of what the secular world has to say about it.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 13 2023 19:24 utc | 105

Can someone tell me whether this email (subject: “Troop Sentiment RE: Israel”) is fake?
It seems almost word-for-word like Hamas propaganda talking points, so I am a bit skeptical. On the other hand, it also sort of sounds like AIPAC talking points.
But really, would any General in the US National Guard ever write something like “We need to come up with a strategy to deal with this and rally the troops in support of Israel against HAMAS”?
https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FGBP9XlfXcAAP3q8.jpg

Posted by: Reference Cheque | Dec 13 2023 19:25 utc | 106

Posted by: g | Dec 13 2023 19:00 utc | 101
I know of no other people who universally refer to the rest of humanity by a pejorative term such as Goyim. It is a remarkable fact that is insufficiently remarked upon.
In all fairness, being born a Jew is a cosmic test of sorts as we must acknowledge the unceasing mind-fuck that any Jewish child is subjected to from day 1 regarding his or her very special nature in contrast to the “goyim”. And sensitive Jews clearly struggle with this monstrous cultural baggage and of those some finally break away from the tribal cult and declare “I too am a Human Being”. Some of these even make it a life mission to educate the reset of Humanity about the tribal cult.
> And then everyone who’s not Muslim unless they convert.
What does rabbinical literature (read: cult doctrine) say about “goyim” who do not go along with the program of setting up a global capital in Jerusalem with a messiah-king?
What your tribe fails to understand — and this has been a historic matter — is that God is not mocked. It is true that salvation is of the Jews. No other tribe has so clearly delineated the boundary distinguishing between those who worship God and those who worship their own ego to the rest of Humanity aka Goyim.
And these Gentile will all come to know that Mohammad (SAWS) ‘The Gentile Prophet’ is indeed the Prophet of the Salvation of Humanity.

Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 13 2023 19:28 utc | 107

Moonie @ 104
The USA is destroying itself from within, by all definitions.
Slow boiled frog in a pan, you may not notice, but focus, avoid the distractions and just look at the state of it, all of it.
Just landfill.
As to the smug yanky trolls …
They think thier a hammer but thier just another nail.
No insight you see, the rest of the world see it and know it.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 13 2023 19:33 utc | 108

I have probably spent far more time following this war than I should be, but one of its many strange aspects has to do with Israel’s conduct–especially the fact that even after two entire months, Israel doesn’t seem to be adapting–at all–to any of its enemies’ tactics, and not even to its strategies.
I don’t mean that Israel is merely slow to adapt to new events as they unfold such as Yemen basically invoking a blockade from the east or the massive worldwide protests or whatever. Rather, the entire country just drops more bombs from the air and posts ever stupider things to lose support from the rest of the world while their soldiers keep getting blown up doing the same stupid things day after day. But the weird thing is that other than increasing in intensity, the tactics themselves don’t change despite the fact that they clearly aren’t working and are increasingly obviously counterproductive.
Hamas is going to have to award Netanyahoo and Gallant a medal by the end of this if things keep going in their current manner. Maybe even a small estate in what will soon to be southern Lebanon…

Posted by: Reference Cheque | Dec 13 2023 19:47 utc | 109

One more point is that American tactics and strategy in the region doesn’t seem to be changing either, despite them not working either.
I really don’t understand what is going on internally in either country, but neither produces much confidence going forward

Posted by: Reference Cheque | Dec 13 2023 19:49 utc | 110

Question:
How long can the IDF continue fighting ?
There are beginning signs of breakdown; nothing definitive yet, but the first signs of breakdown are there. The last few days have been brutal for the conscripts.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 13 2023 19:52 utc | 111

Posted by: Reference Cheque | Dec 13 2023 19:47 utc | 113
From another perspective things are going as planned. Israel is fed a constant stream of weapons and other resources so it can do as you describe.
What is gained?
Consider that there may exist powerful actors that are satisfied that humanity is now desensitized to daily slaughter of defenseless human beings in the three figures. Soon we may be guided to be comfortable with use of micronukes.
tldr: consider that maybe you are the frog in the pot and not the Gazans?

Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 13 2023 19:56 utc | 112

Reference Cheque @ 113
Very observant, and true.
Its a known flaw in the psycopaths personality disorder….
They cant predict the outcome of thier psychopathic actions.
Worth looking up the symptems, it explains all we witness now.
Fasinating enlightenment.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 13 2023 19:56 utc | 113

Posted by: Exile | Dec 13 2023 19:52 utc | 115
If you don’t mind, could you outline the signs you see?
I’m not a military expert, and I get the same sense of breakdown, but this is mostly by following the almost exuberance of pro-Palestinian posters on Twitter and the increasing shrillness of pro-Israelis. Obviously both sides are interpreting the unfolding events somewhat consistently, but I am not seeing much “concrete” evidence (losing ~50 soldiers and a few tanks per day doesn’t strike me as an overwhelming loss, for example, especially when your air power is unchallenged)

Posted by: Reference Cheque | Dec 13 2023 19:57 utc | 114

I really don’t understand what is going on internally in either country, but neither produces much confidence going forward
Posted by: Reference Cheque | Dec 13 2023 19:49 utc | 114
US – money keeps flowing to the MIC/banksters, campaign contributions keep flowing to zionist puppets, social conditions and infrastructure deteriorate and the top 1% control ever more wealth.
Occupied Palestine – the rightful owners get annihilated and zionists steal the land wealth

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 19:58 utc | 115

Breakdown ?
One sign is absolute lack of perimeter security of the most basic sort – signals demoralized conscripts who just don‘t give a sh*t
Another sign is the significant uptick in Amoured Vehicles getting wacked. Signals Sepharim Infantrx is telling Akenanzi Amour to stuff it.
Again – nothing definitive …yet. TBD

Posted by: Exile@gmail.com | Dec 13 2023 20:14 utc | 116

Posted by: Reference Cheque | Dec 13 2023 19:57 utc | 118
####################
The thing about an occupation is that it requires boots on the ground.
The Americans tried to learn this several times over the last 25 years.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 13 2023 20:23 utc | 117

I know of no other people who universally refer to the rest of humanity by a pejorative term such as Goyim. It is a remarkable fact…
@ robinthehood | Dec 13 2023 19:28 utc | 111

Remarkable, indeed, if you know of no other pejoratives pertaining to outsiders. On the contrary, practically every ethnic group which has been subjected to colossal suffering — Indigenous and African Americans among them — has on hand whole handbooks of choice terms for whitey (referencing the complexion of most colonizers, be they internal or external colonies).

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 13 2023 20:24 utc | 118

More Breakdown ?
The upswing in Blind Rage atrocities signals supreme frustration on the IDFs part.
The silly threat by Tel Aviv to Hezbollah yesterday for a ceasefire. Signals IDF desperately needs units for southern front.
Keep in mind – the IDF is not organized for anything but the shortest of wars. Their 300,000 weekend warriors never figured on being in action for 60-90- or more days. Finally, note Israeli society is deeply riven by all sorts of ethnic and political divisions that are full blown scream fests.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 13 2023 20:28 utc | 119

A 19 year old Israeli girl – as pretty as she might be – is most certainly a IDF conscript.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 13 2023 20:36 utc | 120

‘to merciless opposition to the universal poisoner of all peoples, international Jewry’
This is the last line of Hitler’s will and testament:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/My_Political_Testament
It is quite apt prediction to the Zionist (an analogue for international Jew) treatment of Palestine and other places over history.

Posted by: phenon | Dec 13 2023 20:42 utc | 121

I’m with Arch, why should the Global south be subject to International rules and regulations when the colonizers constantly shift the goal posts to suit their puposes?

Posted by: Menz | Dec 13 2023 20:45 utc | 122

Al Jazeera English
@AJEnglish
“They were all killed, executed at gunpoint.”
In exclusive testimonies obtained by Al Jazeera, witnesses describe the horrific sights they encountered inside a school in northern Gaza following an Israeli attack.
https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1734997619192016921

Posted by: Menz | Dec 13 2023 20:47 utc | 123

Max Blumenthal
@MaxBlumenthal
Israeli media was forced to remove an interview with Niko Ostroga, a man who claimed he saw 29 of his friends massacred by Hamas on 10/7 at the Nova Electronic Music Fest after he was exposed as a con artist who never attended the event.
His lie was exposed only because he concocted it to extract financial compensation from the Israeli state.
In other cases, Israel has an interest in promoting dubious testimonies, like that of the mysterious Yoni Saadon, who said he witnessed 10 Hamas fighters simultaneously raping a woman with an “angel face” on a field at the same rave Ostroga falsely claimed to have attended.
https://b.walla.co.il/item/3623478
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1734995131776762109

Posted by: Menz | Dec 13 2023 20:50 utc | 124

“I find it quite ironic that a poster who has so much justified passion for the human rights of the poor Palestinians can, at the same time, deny the same sympathies to homosexuals.”

Posted by: canuck | Dec 13 2023 17:39 utc | 82
I couldn’t agree more.

This is why you fags are in the forefront of the West’s charge into delusion, right behind the trannies, which I suppose is a position you’re happy with.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 13 2023 17:54 utc | 86
Posts like these show that in the MoA crowd, the LGBT movement is still in its pioneer days, working hard on the G. IMO, whoever uses the word “fags” or “faggots” should not qualify for public office.
By the way: those who follow Putin mainly because he is “Tough on gays” (which he isn’t really, but he has to make his peace with the orthodox clergy) have missed the topic, and so have those who hate Israel and the West because they are supporting LGBT. It is a side issue, compared to everything else that we currently face. OK, once it reaches the point of “wokeness”, it becomes ridiculous and grossly overshoots the target.

Posted by: grunzt | Dec 13 2023 20:51 utc | 125

Chas @ 14:
“I don’t know if Taylor Swift has Kirk Douglas type courage, but maybe she does. I know I’m only dreaming, but if Time Magazine’s Person of the Year held a concert for Palestine, it would drive a nail into the genocide movement.”
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I have been wondering when a mega-performer would step up to the plate and do a mega-Concert for Palestine. I was thinking James Taylor, but Tayloer Swift (supposedly named for him) is the logical person.
Please, Taylor, make history.
America pays attention to everything you do.
Speak up for Palestine.
Do a benefit concert that is broadcast worldwide, and go in person to Gaza to deliver the check.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 13 2023 20:58 utc | 126

@g
All of the lies spouted off by the zionazis have been proven just that. Hasbara is an official propaganda industry that makes even Goebbels jealous. Much like everything zionist, they have to one-up German nazis in evil and perversity.
Rapes, babies in ovens, foetuses torn from the womb – all bullshit mountain. Why else would they immediately quarantine all hostages released by Hamas? Because the first couple who were released spoke to the media before being silenced and they had no negative comments or feelings about their treatment.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 21:04 utc | 127

Unlike all the Palestinian prisoners released who all reported beatings, torture and witnessing murders inside zionist jails.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 21:06 utc | 128

I find it quite ironic that a poster who has so much justified passion for the human rights of the poor Palestinians can, at the same time, deny the same sympathies to a homosexuals.
I wouldn’t say, ‘stupid”, to describe the sexual discrimination; I would label it “misguided, confused”.
Posted by: canuck | Dec 13 2023 17:39 utc | 82
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Makes perfect sense to me.
I don’t always agree with Gruff but one of his posts is usually worth two dozen of the comments from his critics.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 13 2023 21:08 utc | 129

The old Apartheid supporters adage – don’t mix politics and sport – rearing it head in restricting any support for the Palestinians.:
Travis Head
@ImTravisHead
We stand with Usman Khawaja!
All lives are Equal.
https://twitter.com/ImTravisHead/status/1734868268173979729
Background:
Usman Khawaja won’t wear ‘All lives are equal’ shoes during first Test, but plans to fight ICC ruling
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-13/usman-khawaja-told-not-to-display-shoe-message/103224376

Posted by: Menz | Dec 13 2023 21:14 utc | 130

Posted by: grunzt | Dec 13 2023 20:51 utc | 131
thanks for reverting the topic back to the rights and denigrations of homosexuals.
Let us all save our ire / support for the LBGTQ….
for another thread, this is not the place.
show a little class and pretend you are at a funeral and have insinuated yourselves in front of the coffin to argue about what men should do with their penises.
I do not accuse anyone of purposely misdirecting by way of a rainbow smoke screen to navigate away from Israel murdering babies.
jus sayin
perception

Posted by: ld | Dec 13 2023 21:19 utc | 131

Btw, not being ok with homosexuality is the default position of most practicing Muslims, and I would imagine a great many Palestinians.
That is why it makes sense to be pro-Palestinian and not in favor of the LGBTQ agenda. It’s congruent not stupid.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 13 2023 21:19 utc | 132

Usman Khawaja
@Uz_Khawaja
All Lives are Equal. Freedom is a Human right. I’m raising my voice for human rights. For a humanitarian appeal. If you see it any other way. That’s on you…
https://twitter.com/Uz_Khawaja/status/1734830493890404372

Posted by: Menz | Dec 13 2023 21:22 utc | 133

A couple of weeks ago, US media like the NYT hailed Taylor Swift as someone who brought all Americans together. Those people are in short supply these days. Then she had the nerve to make a call for humanitarian aid. I guess she is now the epitome of someone who is antiamerican because to be an American you have to worship a state not your own: Israel. Funny how that works.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 13 2023 21:23 utc | 134

Pelham
@Resist_05
Leaked video from 2001 where Benjamin Netanyahu speaks of striking Palestinians *painfully* the force applied will reverberate for generations.
Netanyahu says the Americans are gullible and easily manoeuvred, and 80% will support his violent actions…
Netanyahu also admits he deceived the US to undermine the Oslo Accords. The Accords, signed in 1993 and 1995, were intended to establish a peaceful resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
https://twitter.com/Resist_05/status/1734524348265115959

Posted by: Menz | Dec 13 2023 21:31 utc | 135

Great interview with Scott Ritter a few hours ago:
https://www.youtube.com/live/S3HcIrz1GpY?si=begwLZvCrnLR1MCd
Some key points: Israel lost its intelligence assets in Gaza while Hamas got practically all of Israel’s intelligence. That is why Israel is now operating in its blind rage mode (aka impotent rage). There is nothing Israel can do about the tunnels which have been there for decades and are elaborate enough to resist any sort of flooding attempts. And Likud has been against the two state solution consistently, which means Palestinians have to be wiped out using any pretext available.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 13 2023 21:34 utc | 136

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 13 2023 15:53 utc | 38
Really surprising that Hesbollah hasn’t taken out at least one of those desalinization plants as a warning.

Posted by: Morongobill | Dec 13 2023 21:58 utc | 137

@Arch Bungle: Don’t become what you hate.
Also the Taylor Swift thing is just weird guys?! Celebrities as Gods…

Posted by: Rae | Dec 13 2023 22:00 utc | 138

ld @137
Believe it or not, I’ve nothing against gays, as is the case with most people. My concerns are population-scale delusion, hypocrisy, and deliberate misrepresentation of reality. This whole faggotry tangent started with hedlykarok @39: “Is that some pseudo-insult invented by right wingers…” comment about the term “globohomo” used by another poster earlier. While the WEF crowd certainly does heavily promote homosexuality and spay/neuter of children (“gender affirming care”) in order to reduce/reverse population growth, that doesn’t really bother me much as the mass media programming to spread that mind disease principally only impacts the middle class and wealthy anyway… the WEF crowd’s own base, in other words.
The “globohomo” term isn’t completely inaccurate, but it detracts from the WEF crowd’s core capitalist nature, so I don’t use it myself. I merely pointed out that the term “homophobia” is more appropriately considered “some pseudo-insult invented by partisans” to have an emotional payload. This “triggered” some fags, who responded with over-the-top melodrama, as fags are wont to do, who then proceeded to equate some tame ridicule with actual killing kind of genocide, such as what is being done by Zionists in Palestine.
I needled them a bit for their audacity to be so faggy as to try to put their victimhood on par with those being murdered in Gaza. I’m not a victim (never bought into victim culture), so I don’t care if they continue bleating about their victimhood, but I thought it best to clarify where the discourse tangent came from.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 13 2023 22:23 utc | 139

If the Cabinet agrees to the US request, it will be another reason to move away from the Oz major political parties and move to the Independents:
US requests Australia send warship to Red Sea to guard against Houthi rebels
The United States has requested Australia send a warship to the Red Sea in response to Iran-backed Houthi rebels attacking ships passing through the sea lane.
The rebel group has vowed to block ships heading to Israel until the offensive on Gaza is ended, and yesterday fired a missile at a Norwegian tanker travelling through its strait.
Accepting the US request would mark a major escalation in Australia’s involvement in Israel’s war on Hamas, just a day after the nation signed onto a United Nations resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire.
Speaking to the ABC, Treasurer Jim Chalmers confirmed the government was considering a US request to send a warship.
“It is important to recognise we already make a contribution to maritime security in that part of the world, often dangerous part of the world. When we get these kinds of requests from time to time, the usual practice would be for the defence minister to consider that,” Mr Chalmers said.
A US Pentagon press secretary yesterday said the international community must support a task force to guard ships in the Red Sea.
“The actions that we’ve seen from these Houthi forces are destabilising, they’re dangerous, and clearly a flagrant violation of international law,” the official said.
“And so this is an international problem that requires an international solution.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-14/us-request-australia-warship-red-sea-houthi-rebels/103227056

Posted by: Menz | Dec 13 2023 22:25 utc | 140

Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 13 2023 15:28 utc | 38
I don’t know who exactly controls Israel’s nukes, but JFK was killed over the dispute to house them there,(among other things) ”
that is impossible to believe, except as mud for 60 year old waters.
How and why would the US Intelligence contractors known to be at the assassinations of JFK and RFK work to topple the US executive branch in 1963 for Israel?
Just drop that noise.
CIA hitmen work for the CIA.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Dec 13 2023 22:35 utc | 141

Menz | Dec 13 2023 22:25 utc | 146 (quoting the Pentagon)
*** “The actions that we’ve seen from these Houthi forces are destabilising, they’re dangerous, and clearly a flagrant violation of international law,” the official said.
“And so this is an international problem that requires an international solution.”***
With its newfound enthusiasm for International Law, is the Pentagon going to insist that the USA removes its highly illegal, uninvited military presence in Syria and stop stealing Syria’s oil?
Likewise re Iraq….

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 13 2023 22:45 utc | 142

I don’t always agree with Gruff but one of his posts is usually worth two dozen of the comments from his critics.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 13 2023 21:08 utc | 135
I concur
I always look for his posts and know where he’s coming from on this issue.

Posted by: ld | Dec 13 2023 23:01 utc | 143

As Zionist casualties mount steadily in Gaza, there seems to be an increasing breakdown in morale and discipline amongst Zionist troops. Crimes and atrocities against civilians, sexual offences, large scale looting and theft from homes and shops, and pointless wanton vandalism, are now universal.
You cannot fight a war with such troops. An undisciplined rabble is of little military value. One wonders how they would fare against Hezbollah, if push comes to shove.
They obviously have no stomach to go mano a mano with Hamas. And they can hardly escalate the genocidal carpet bombing any further. There are no schools and hospitals left to bomb. No matter how many children they murder, they have lost.
Hence the absurd fantasies about flooding Gaza with sea water.
Hamas has already won. Israel has lost. It will not achieve any of its objectives.
The Abraham Accords are now dead and buried. Israel and its accomplices are reviled by the whole world. Despite all the corruption, blackmail and hasbara, the US has had to face the hard reality that Israel is a millstone around its neck, and one that can easily drag the whole world down in a nuclear holocaust.
The Zionist Regime is going down to an unprecedented political, military and spiritual defeat, irrespective of how many civilians they slaughter.

Posted by: anon | Dec 13 2023 23:30 utc | 144

https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/121242/hamas-threaten-usa-uk-israel
This is utterly stupid. In effect, it is opening a door to some sort of false flag nonsense against Palestinian people. How few people seem to understand that extreme statements and actions can trigger the opposite of what was intended. Don’t give Israel “ammunition” for genocide.

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 13 2023 23:50 utc | 145

g
If you want some racist, genocidal quotes, just read your Talmud.
Or listen to the genocidal hate spewed out by any Zionist figure selected at random, Netanyahu, Bennett, Shaked, whoever, each and every one of that vile crew.

Posted by: anon | Dec 13 2023 23:57 utc | 146

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 13 2023 23:50 utc | 151
Memri TV is an Israeli propaganda service. Don’t believe their nonsense.

Posted by: laguerre | Dec 13 2023 23:57 utc | 147

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 13 2023 23:50 utc | 151
This may be stupid from Hamas’ perspective, but just for what it’s worth, I have not seen this posted anywhere on Twitter yet from accounts that have been following the war quite closely. For now, I would wait until there is some confirmation somewhere before assuming this is an actual statement.

Posted by: SpellsWomynWithAY | Dec 13 2023 23:59 utc | 148

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 13 2023 16:34 utc | 53
I’d be more concerned about a right wing homophobe politician occupying the stall next door with a “wide stance.”

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 0:03 utc | 149

Is Israel attempting genocide by using radiation weapons to sterilise the Palestinian population in Gaza?
https://johnhelmer.net/new-evidence-that-israel-is-using-a-new-uranium-weapon-make-that-the-neutron-bomb/#more-89018

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Dec 14 2023 0:10 utc | 150

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 13 2023 20:24 utc | 122
In their religious texts?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 0:10 utc | 151

Posted by: Not Ewe | Dec 13 2023 22:35 utc | 147
The CIA. I’m sure all those moving vans registered to Israelis and containing explosive residue after 9/11 were also really just CIA. And those dancing Arab…I mean Israelis set up to record the first plane hitting the tower, after having previously been witnessed scouting the location(s) the day prior.
You underestimate the Mossad and their lack of regard for human life, including Jewish.
From September 10, 2001 regarding a US Army War College assessment of the Israel-Palestine situation and the “wildcard” known as Mossad.
There is plenty of motive and evidence linking Israeli interests and agents to JFK’ assassination. I know less about RFK, but the information is out there if you know how to sift through the copious disinfo.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 0:17 utc | 152

Link: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2001/sep/10/20010910-025319-6906r/
*Washington Times

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 0:18 utc | 153

“This is a poor way to make friends, sweetie. 🙁 Have another cookie. 🙂 ” — USA government doormat mom to spoiled brat Israel government

Posted by: titmouse | Dec 14 2023 0:21 utc | 154

Someone says they want to and then try to kill you and your family.
What do you do?
Posted by: g | Dec 13 2023 20:46 utc | 128
*Raises hand* Oh, oh, I know the answer! You have your cousins steal their extended family’s land and home at gunpoint, backed by the military, then you raze the person who said they “want to kill” you and your family’s home, murder their children and tell yourself that it was you or them. Just like you’ve been doing for 75 years, even when it was your people saying you wanted to kill them and their families, but actually doing it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 0:23 utc | 155

All this talk about ethnic slurs completely misses the point regarding the term “goyim.”
The origin of the word goy is uncertain. It is thought to be derived from the Akkadian word gau, which means “foreigner.” The word goy is first used in the Hebrew Bible in the Book of Genesis, where it refers to the Canaanites, the Hittites, and the other peoples who lived in the Land of Israel before the Israelites arrived.
In other words, it’s a pejorative and differentiator from a “holy” text which is problematic because it enshrines a religious angle to the notion that one group of people is to be viewed as the (dangerous/less than human) “other” by the group using the term; again from scripture derived from the words of “God.”
So it’s not the same as “the n word” or “whitey” or anything like that.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 0:28 utc | 156

There is plenty of motive and evidence linking Israeli interests and agents to JFK’ assassination. I know less about RFK, but the information is out there if you know how to sift through the copious disinfo.
Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 0:17 utc | 158
food for thought
the Kennedy assasination and the Israeli connection
from UNZ
Kennedy had met in New York City with a group of wealthy Israel advocates, led by financier Abraham Feinberg, and they had offered enormous financial support in exchange for a controlling influence in Middle Eastern policy. Kennedy managed to fob them off with vague assurances, but he considered the incident so troubling that the next morning he sought out journalist Charles Bartlett, one of his closest friends, and expressed his outrage that American foreign policy might fall under the control of partisans of a foreign power, promising that if he became president, he would rectify that situation.
full article
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-jfk-assassination-part-ii-who-did-it/

Posted by: ld | Dec 14 2023 0:30 utc | 157

Tom_Q_Collins @155: “I’d be more concerned about a right wing homophobe politician occupying the stall next door with a “wide stance.””
What? He’s doing that in the women’s restroom? In the stall next to you? What a weak faggot you are!
You go ahead and shit with your legs crossed. You don’t have to worry about your garments falling down to the piss-covered floor because you just hitch your skirt up before sitting on the pot.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 14 2023 0:32 utc | 158

the photo – those people – waiting – for what fate – having been forced into a giant pit with sides banked up – dirt mounds ready to be bulldozed on top of a mass grave – the innocent Palestinian families on their knees – waiting – for the armed monsters of the world’s most vile tribe to subject them to what fresh hell – that photo – the sadism writ large – the absolute terror – for all the world to see – why doesn’t the world stop spinning – it is madness – tolerated even celebrated psychopathy – there are no words left

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Dec 14 2023 0:50 utc | 159

@Arch Bungle: Don’t become what you hate.
Also the Taylor Swift thing is just weird guys?! Celebrities as Gods…
Posted by: Rae | Dec 13 2023 22:00 utc | 144
Not weird at all. In ancient Rome actors, gladiators were Gods.
Roman Republican (circa 508 BC to 49 Bc) aristocrats would keep busts of their ancestors (fathers of course) in a sacred room and treated them as family Gods.
Read Freud’s “Civilization and its Discontents”. Primal man kills the father such that the son , with guilt, worships the dead father as a God.
When I was in school we had a Greek philosophy Professor that proclaimed , “there is nothing in the modern world that is not in Greek philosophy, art or science” Many of us undergraduates, including myself, tried repeatedly to illustrate his folly; we all failed miserably.
There really is nothing new in civilization , including Celebrities as Gods…

Posted by: canuck | Dec 14 2023 0:51 utc | 160

Taylor Swift, Selena Gomez attend Gaza fundraiser.
Uh-oh!! Genocide Joe, whatcha gonna do?
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-taylor-swift-and-selena-gomez-attend-gaza-fundraiser

Posted by: daffyDuct | Dec 14 2023 0:52 utc | 161

As Zionist casualties mount steadily in Gaza, there seems to be an increasing breakdown in morale and discipline amongst Zionist troops. Crimes and atrocities against civilians, sexual offences, large scale looting and theft from homes and shops, and pointless wanton vandalism, are now universal.
You cannot fight a war with such troops. An undisciplined rabble is of little military value. One wonders how they would fare against Hezbollah, if push comes to shove.
They obviously have no stomach to go mano a mano with Hamas. And they can hardly escalate the genocidal carpet bombing any further. There are no schools and hospitals left to bomb. No matter how many children they murder, they have lost.
Hence the absurd fantasies about flooding Gaza with sea water.
Hamas has already won. Israel has lost. It will not achieve any of its objectives.
The Abraham Accords are now dead and buried. Israel and its accomplices are reviled by the whole world. Despite all the corruption, blackmail and hasbara, the US has had to face the hard reality that Israel is a millstone around its neck, and one that can easily drag the whole world down in a nuclear holocaust.
The Zionist Regime is going down to an unprecedented political, military and spiritual defeat, irrespective of how many civilians they slaughter.
Posted by: anon | Dec 13 2023 23:30 utc | 150
Excellent summary, I agree completely.
I do worry these iconoclastic mongrels will start a nuclear war when they finally realize they are fucked.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 14 2023 0:54 utc | 162

You go ahead and shit with your legs crossed. You don’t have to worry about your garments falling down to the piss-covered floor because you just hitch your skirt up before sitting on the pot.
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 14 2023 0:32 utc | 164
LOL and sigh. This has outlived its shelf life. You should know I’m not fazed by dumb Internet insults of the 7th grade variety. And now an element of scatological fascination? I’m shocked!
In other news, for those still living in a river in Egypt on Zionist/Mossad elements to the JFK assassination, the latest at Mintpress News:
https://www.mintpressnews.com/from-dallas-to-gaza-jfk-assassination-good-for-israel/286457/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 0:58 utc | 163

Karlof1:
Wow the things Lavorv says are absolutely atrocious and confirm my worst fears!
Lavrov saying stuff like (my emphasis in bold):

Let me stress it again. We will never agree to any agreements that will undermine and infringe on Israel’s security. We are convinced that it can be ensured only in accordance with UN decisions, which presuppose and demand that an independent and independent state of Palestine should live and develop next to this state in security and good-neighbourliness with each other and with all neighboring countries.”

And worse!
I’m sick of such words.
The non-emphasized (not bold) part of the quote has not been achieved since Israel appeared roughly three quarters of a century ago and are entirely irrelevant to the ongoing emergency that requires fast action.
As for fast action all Lavrov mentions is a ceasefire. Nothing about exerting significant effective pressure on Israel to turn that or sufficient aid deliveries from words into fact, rather the opposite (as quoted); just more words and repetition of what has not worked.
It is called “magical thinking” and is not a real option.
It actually ends up sounding to me as if Russia is officially denying that there is a genocide taking place.
Such a denial seems to me to be active support, not quite at the level of physically arming Israel as the US does but still enabling and supporting Israel and do we not all see what that results in?
Extremely disappointing reading as concern Palestine. I can’t fit a hair between what Russia says on the topic and what NATO says on the topic, not a single one.
This is the same Russia that argued for the SMO on account of a genocide taking place, it really is, no matter how hard it is to believe it is.
It is as if Russia and Lavrov do not want to admit that all civilians in Gaza are in the advanced process of starving to death.
Right now.
Aren’t “games” or “actions” such as these an insult in view of the facts?
Aren’t they aiding and abetting war crimes?
Aren’t they in breach of commitments as members of the UN (and the UNSC too) and signatories to the core human rights charter?
In my strong opinion: yes, yes, and yes.
:C
I was thinking of trying to take time off from this topic for the sake of some rest but made the mistake of not doing so. I think I should try again.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 14 2023 0:58 utc | 164

and in the thread below that horrible photo we learned the mad, armed, sick and criminal racist terrorist eugenicist supremacist jews are now dropping neutron bombs on the Palestinian babies heads.
tears and tears and oceans of tears go here
you know what? STFU with your imbecilic, selfish, disgusting anti-homosexual supremacy crap, gruff! have YOU no decency?
Make “israel” Palestine again! All power to Hamas and the Houthis and Hezbollah and all the resistance fighters!

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Dec 14 2023 0:59 utc | 165

Nobody is actually afraid of fags… well, except perhaps for little girls trying to use a restroom in peace when a fag pretending to be a women waltzes in on her. That probably triggers some fear reactions.
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 13 2023 16:34 utc | 53

I had a similar misfortune and was unjustly convicted of indecent assault. Yet I had explained to the court that my gender identity is a quantum state, and that it was only the police bursting into the ladies’ toilets that had turned my previously undefined private parts into an observable penis.

Posted by: Leuk | Dec 14 2023 0:59 utc | 166

So gays, is the transsexual freedom for 12 year olds more important than a genocide in Gaza? It certainly seemed like powerful gays were pro – Ukrainian war because Putin doesn’t support the LGBT agenda. I was pro-gay, until I realized how irresponsible they are and what useful tools they are to the Empire.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Dec 14 2023 1:06 utc | 167

Oh and by the way this reveals that Sputnik has been spot on reporting the Russian position, although (perhaps inadvertently) toning it down so as to not seem quite so overtly anti-human.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 14 2023 1:06 utc | 168

I fully agree with what Sunny Runny Burger just said about Russia. Every bit as shameful a stance as usa’s to proclaim they will always protect “israel”. beyond dissapointing.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Dec 14 2023 1:07 utc | 169

Posted by: ld | Dec 14 2023 0:30 utc | 163
Thanks. I didn’t see your comment before I posted the Mintpress News article on almost exactly the same topic.
I recall reading the UNZ series a number of years ago and I’ll revisit it. I also recommend Michael Collins Piper’s books on the subject as they are remarkably well reasoned and backed up, even “Template for Terror” which IMO does a pretty good job of linking the Mossad to JFK, Oklahoma City, and 9/11 – and which presents a sober meta-analysis of Sandy Hook from the perception management angle (dismisses the Alex Jones hoax argument out of hand and shreds the “crisis actors” phony diversion so common in conspiracy circles).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 1:08 utc | 170

Tom_Q_Collins @169
No, truly curious! Assuming you wear pants (big assumption, I know), how do you keep them up off the floor with your knees pressed daintily together? Is it because you wear ballet tights all the time and they remain clinging to your calves when you drop them? Or do you have some other secret? Perhaps you take your pants off completely when you visit the commode and hang them on the coat hook on the back of some restroom stall doors? Curious how you fags manage this feat!

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 14 2023 1:12 utc | 171

Leuk @172
Ah! It’s the legal system that collapses people’s gender wave function! I knew it…

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 14 2023 1:18 utc | 172

Neutron bomb? No.
Radioactive “salting” or “poisoning” of the environment and thus also people? Possibly yes. Cleaning it up for future Israelis to settle will be a real mess, a hard task.
New weapon? Possibly yes but not really technologically novel.
Essentially what is usually called a “dirty bomb”. If true/confirmed. Entirely plausible.
But not a neutron bomb.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 14 2023 1:19 utc | 173

Menz | Dec 13 2023 22:25 utc | 146 (quoting the Pentagon)
*** “The actions that we’ve seen from these Houthi forces are destabilising, they’re dangerous, and clearly a flagrant violation of international law,” the official said.
“And so this is an international problem that requires an international solution.”***
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To the dipshits at the Pentagon: Isn’t genocide destabilizing, dangerous, and clearly a flagrant violation of international law? At least the ships can turn around and leave to avoid trouble, not so for the 2.3 million Palestinians trapped in Israel’s concentration camp called Gaza.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 14 2023 1:20 utc | 174

Bunker buster bombs of which thousands of usa stock have been used are depleted uranium. Nothing to see here , no one says a word except maybe pointing it out on this site.

Posted by: Hankster | Dec 14 2023 1:39 utc | 175

1. globohomo gang should & would support Israel.
2. Hamas has long decided they don’t want to be in refugee status for another 75 years. Either freedom or lets all Palestinians die right now. I agree. Win and enjoy this world or feast in Valhalla.
3. Russia is not obliged to tell all their plans. Figure out yourself why their decision to actively support Syria suffocated all of Israeli plans, to get a real viable state.

Posted by: chola3 | Dec 14 2023 1:41 utc | 176

I was thinking of trying to take time off from this topic for the sake of some rest but made the mistake of not doing so. I think I should try again.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 14 2023 0:58 utc | 170
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I think you should take some time off as well. Exactly how many wars do you think Russia should take on at the same time? And besides, what the fuck do you expect Russia to do about it anyway? Didn’t Russia vote yes in support of a ceasefire in both the UNSC and the UNGA?
After you get some rest; why don’t you visit Putin and tell him he must drop bombs and missiles on Tel Aviv and Jerusalem so that you can be happy.
Sorry about the sarcasm Sunny Runny Burger but your comment is dripping with contradictions and childish insinuations. Right now, Biden and Netanyahu are the emperors without clothes and the whole world can now see the necked truth: They are leaders of two different countries with no morals or scruples.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 14 2023 2:02 utc | 177

SRB @ 170
Very disappointing and disturbing.
I just hope that behind the scenes Russia IS doing something to stop the madness and the horror. Russia’s foreign and international policy stance has always (AFAIK) to stick to the letter of the law as expressed in UN resolutions.
Maybe Russia can’t publicly stray from that position.
I *hope* that is the answer to the apparent lack of action to halt the genocide and to force the provision of humanitarian aid to Gaza.
If Russia is concerned about the long-term survival prospects of Russian Jews in Israel it really should advise them to get out of there now.
These Russian (Soviet) now Israeli Jews were so happy to leave the USSR. I don’t really understand Russia’s commitment to them. Probably the pressure comes from Jews still in Russia. Although there really are not that many of them
BTW, part of the deal to allow Soviet Jews to leave the USSR in I think the 1970s was that the USA paid a lot of the actual resettlement bills. It was mainly a big PR move probably funded by either Jewish-American groups or the American taxpayer.
And, a lot of those emigres did not stay in Israel but hotfooted it to the USA as quickly as they could.
Just like the original Revisionist Zionists who caused most of the trouble in Palestine, who had no loyalty to Russia/the then new USSR.
I bet the Soviet Jews just used their US contacts (and promises of $$$) to get special treatment to be allowed to leave the USSR.
All part of a PR operation.
After all, the big Jewish Macher in the US were also Russian/Ukrainian Jews, like the Kagan-Nudelmans. Not German Jews.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 14 2023 2:03 utc | 178

William Gruff
I guess the answer is that “men” who use the ladies’ discover there are no urinals there designed for men to aim their tools at, so they have to use toilets designed for ladies to pee in.
The only way to do this would be (I imagine—trying to picture this) to sit on the toilet seat and try to aim down, or stand up with the aforementioned “wide stance.”
Question: What is either one of these gents doing in the ladies’ room????
This is not completely OT, since we have to wonder whether the IDF isn’t having similar problems aiming their rockets at Hamas tunnels when no urinals have been provided. Perhaps they need to sit down first . . .

Posted by: Jane | Dec 14 2023 2:12 utc | 179

The French publishing house Fayard withdraws “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” by the Jewish historian Ilan Pappé. He has come to note lately as beinga Jewish historian he can’t be dismissed as antisemetic , and his oft quoted statement along the lines of ” most Zionists are atheists but believe God gave them palestine” really ground some gears
Ahh good old book banning the hallmark of Western values and free societies with robust debated democracy
According to Edistat, a statistics site specializing in book sales in #France, 203 out of the 307 copies of the book, which were sold this year, were sold after the start of the Israeli offensive

Posted by: Hankster | Dec 14 2023 2:22 utc | 180

As to whether a “neutron bomb” has been used during the current slaughter occurring in Palestine, the Helmer article linked to up thread (it’s fascinating in a multi-fatality freeway wreck sort of way) makes a good case for the possibility that something based on the original documented research may have been used, possibly something like an even “dirtier” DU munition. At the very least, the likelihood that DU munitions are being used is pretty effing high already; why stop at white phosphorous, right?
Thanks again for all you’re doing, b.

Posted by: robjira | Dec 14 2023 2:27 utc | 181

I feel like I’m back at Second City
you guise mist the boat

Posted by: ld | Dec 14 2023 2:29 utc | 182

Just to put this to prin here from Helmer on the poisoning of soils and flashes from bombs
An important new study of samples of soil, sand, recycled building material from Gaza and sand from Sinai was published in 2021 [11]. Results indicated enriched Uranium in all the Gaza samples except those from Sinai. The method employed was gamma spectrometry which is arguably more accurate than alpha spectrometry or ICPMS since it is a whole specimen method and does not rely on pre-measurement chemistry which is known to lose up to 40% of the Uranium in the sample. The degree of enrichment found by the authors was very much greater than found in Gaza after the 2008 bombing. Gaza had also been bombed by Israel in 2014.

Posted by: ld | Dec 14 2023 2:35 utc | 183

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 14 2023 1:12 utc | 177
At first I thought whoever it was that accused you of projection was only grasping at common Internet retorts, but man, now it’s looking like they (preferred pronoun?) were onto something. More than anything it’s the fixation on the word “fag” when there are so many more insulting and colorful (like the rainbow!) ways to derogatorily accuse someone of being gay (FWIW I’m not). Fairy, homo, fudgepacker, etc.
Anyway the wide stance anecdote seems a lot more apt considering it was actually a men’s room where a closeted right wing bigot was “trolling” for partners. I guess they have Grindr for preserving their anonymity now, no bathrooms needed.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 3:42 utc | 184

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-gaza-war/
Excellent article. It reminds me that the Amerikastani invasion of Afghanistan was probably the best thing that ever happened to the Taliban. At that time it was divided and its regime was a shambolic mess. Mullah Dadullah was on the verge of open rebellion against Mullah Omar. The Taliban were hated by all non Pashtuns and all urban Pashtuns. Then the Amerikastanis invaded and the Taliban overnight became a heroic national resistance movement in everyone’s eyes and we saw where that ended up in August 2021.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 14 2023 4:03 utc | 185

I highly encourage concerned barflies to take the time to examine all of what Lavrov had to say on the issue before adding further conjecture as to what they think Russia’s position might be.
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2023 18:21 utc | 92

From the transcripts provided “Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s Remarks and Q&A at the Federation Council’s Government Hour and Short Presser”:

To our great regret, despite the appeal of Russia and many other countries of the international community, they do not stop the creation of Jewish settlements in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, …

“Regret”, “appeal”, “stop the creation of Jewish settlements…” instead of condemning and demanding an end to the theft of land to build armed colonialist settlements as a means of dispossesing the Palestinian people and accelerating the ethnic cleansing. I understand that Lavrov has to be diplomatic, but he should at least be consistent: you cannot defend international law somewhere and just “regret” its trampling somewhere else. He uses a stronger language to emphasize Russia’s commitment to a secure Israel than to defending the right of an oppressed and colonized people to fight for their liberation, using the terrorism lable when refering to the Palestinian resistance, and disingeniously comparing, albeit implicitly, the OCT 7 attack with terrorist attacks at Beslan and Dubrovka, when he must know that Oct7 targeted primarily if not only the military of the Zionists (putting aside the argument about Zionist military/civilian distinction in Occupied Palestine.) Would it do Russia any harm to say “Palestinian resistance”?
No one expects Russia to fight for the Palestinians, and I am not criticising their position on the temporary Zionist entity in Occupied Palestine and so-called solution based on international law, regardless of history or the nature of the struggle and the contending forces. But now with the Israeli genocidal war leaving nothing to possible diplomacy or “solutions” that do not deal with the dismantling of the Zionist entity, the least I should expect from Russia’s diplomacy is to use “Palestinian resistance”, and “Israeli genocidal” policy or campaign. Or is “genocide” reserved only for what the Ukranian Nazis did in Donbass?
p.s. The reasons why the two-state solution was not a solution for 75 years are still with us, and will be with us until dismantling the Zionist entity. This could be made less bloody the stronger the anti-imperialist forces are, and the broader the realization by people of the Jewish faith (and indeed all the others) that anti-Semitism is racism, and so is Zionism, which essentially make Zionism anti-semitic, just with the opposite rhetoric. “Essentially” is what is manifested historically: short of a “completed genocide” as the European colonialists have carried out elsewhere, the very conduct of genocidal wars in the name of a people victimizes them, not only the genocided peoples. What else does the lesson of Nazi Germany tells us, or that of the Ukraine? And the Palestinians are not just Palestinian; no genocide of them is complete without completing the genocide of the rest of the Arab people.

Posted by: SlowDL | Dec 14 2023 4:23 utc | 186

Today’s uploads of resistance fighters hitting what appears to be very clueless idf
https://t.me/intelslava/53819
Hamas seem brazen enough to even stand in the open right next to armour and fire. There’s no infantry screen which is tactically inexcusable

Posted by: Hankster | Dec 14 2023 4:39 utc | 187

As Zionist casualties mount steadily in Gaza, there seems to be an increasing breakdown in morale and discipline amongst Zionist troops. Crimes and atrocities against civilians, sexual offences, large scale looting and theft from homes and shops, and pointless wanton vandalism, are now universal.
You cannot fight a war with such troops. An undisciplined rabble is of little military value.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 14 2023 4:44 utc | 188

Israel has signed the witness statement confessing to all the fake photos of its 20 year War on Terror.You’d think they’d have had more brains than that.
Not so.much an aircraft carrier permanently moored in the East Mediterranean; more a cannibal canoe on a desert island which nobody will stop to rescue for fear of being eaten alive

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 14 2023 4:48 utc | 189

Posted by: g | Dec 14 2023 4:34 utc | 193
Why does Israel hate the British who gave them their illegal (and intentionally misinterpreted “mandate” that said they must respect NATIVE Palestinians?)
June 30, 1924 Dutch Jew Jacob Israël de Haan was assassinated by Avraham Tehomi on the orders of Haganah leader Yitzhak Ben-Zvi[46] for his anti-Zionist political activities and contacts with Arab leaders.[47]
1937–1939 During the later stages of the 1936-1939 Arab Revolt in Mandatory Palestine The Irgun conducted a campaign of violence against Palestinian Arab civilians resulting in the deaths of at least 250. The group also killed a number of Jews it deemed guilty of “treason.”[48][49]
July 15, 1938 A bomb left in the vegetable market in Jerusalem by the Irgun injured 28.[50]
July 25, 1938 The Irgun threw a bomb into the melon market in Haifa resulting in 49 deaths.[51]
November 6, 1944 Lehi assassinated British minister Lord Moyne in Cairo, Kingdom of Egypt. The action was condemned by the Yishuv at the time, but the bodies of the assassins were brought home from Egypt in 1975 to a state funeral and burial on Mount Herzl.[52]
1944–1945 The killings of several suspected collaborators with the Haganah and the British mandate government during the Hunting Season.
1946 Letter bombs sent to British officials, including foreign minister Ernst Bevin, by Lehi.[53]
July 26, 1946 The bombing of British administrative headquarters at the King David Hotel, killing 91 people — 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 others. Around 45 people were injured. In the literature about the practice and history of terrorism, it has been called one of the most lethal terrorist attacks of the 20th century.[54]
1946 Railways and British military airfields were attacked several times.
October 31, 1946 The bombing by the Irgun of the British Embassy in Rome. Nearly half the building was destroyed and 3 people were injured.[55]
April 16, 1947 An Irgun bomb placed at the Colonial Office in London failed to detonate.[56] The woman arrested for planting the bomb, alias “Esther,” was identified as a Jewess claiming French nationality by the Scotland Yard unit investigating Jewish terrorist activities. The attack was linked to the 1946 Rome embassy bombing.[57][58]
14 June 1947 The Reuters office in Tel Aviv was raided by “Jewish terrorists.”[59]
July 25, 1947 The Sergeants affair: When death sentences were passed on two Irgun members, the Irgun kidnapped Sgt. Clifford Martin and Sgt. Mervyn Paice and threatened to kill them in retaliation if the sentences were carried out. When the threat was ignored, the hostages were killed. Afterwards, their bodies were taken to an orange grove and left hanging by the neck from trees. An improvised explosive device was set. This went off when one of the bodies was cut down, seriously wounding a British officer.[60]
December 1947 – March 1948 Numerous attacks on Palestinian Arabs in the context of civil war after the vote of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine.
1947 Letter bombs sent to the Truman White House by Lehi.[61]
January 5–6, 1948 The Semiramis Hotel bombing, carried out by the Haganah (or, according to some sources, Irgun) resulted in the deaths of 24 to 26 people.
April 1948 The Deir Yassin massacre carried out by the Irgun and Lehi, killed between 107 and 120 Palestinian villagers,[62] the estimate generally accepted by scholars.[63][64]
September 17, 1948 Lehi assassination of the United Nations mediator Folke Bernadotte,[65][66] whom Lehi accused of a pro-Arab stance during the cease-fire negotiations.
Why kill and maim so many Americans who unconditionally support Israel’s illegal and immoral practices?
More: https://ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/liberty-casualties.html
More still:
More recently there have been a number of killings of Americans. In a bizarre incident in August 1988, an elderly Palestinian-American with a heart condition died after being forced to climb stairs to paint over anti-Israeli graffiti on a school wall. Rebhi Barakat Kaid, 67, of Columbus, Ohio, was on the West Bank visiting relatives. He died of a heart attack after three Israeli soldiers ordered him and his 14-year-old Chicago-born grandson at gunpoint to climb the 22 steep steps that led from the house to the street above without his being allowed to take his heart medicine first.
Much better known is the March 2003 killing of Washington State’s Rachel Corrie, who was deliberately run over by an Israeli military bulldozer when she was protesting the destruction of a Palestinian village. A month later there was an incident in which Brian Avery, a 24-year-old from Albuquerque, New Mexico, was shot in the face in the occupied West Bank city of Jenin by Israeli soldiers in an armored personnel carrier firing machine guns at protesters.
In March 2009 Tristan Anderson, a 37-year-old from Oakland, California, suffered permanent brain damage when Israeli soldiers shot him in the face with a tear gas canister as he watched a protest in the West Bank village of Nilin.
Another American citizen, Furkan Doğan, an 18-year-old born in Troy, New York, was killed aboard the Turkish flagged Mavi Marmara in the Mediterranean Sea in May 2010 as a flotilla of international activists attempted to break Israel’s illegal blockade of the Gaza Strip to deliver humanitarian supplies. The United Nations’ General Assembly Human Rights Council determined that Doğan had been killed by Israeli naval commandos through an “extra-legal, arbitrary and summary execution.” He was shot five times, including once in the face from “point blank range.”
One could argue JFK, RFK, Oklahoma City, 9/11….
Why so much hate?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 5:11 utc | 190

Posted by: g | Dec 14 2023 4:34 utc | 193
Why so much hate?
Re: The 2001 Anthrax attacks in America:
Israel: means, motive, opportunity
“Who had the means, the motive, and the opportunity to have brought about these attacks?” is a basic question that needs to be asked. An extensive and well-developed biological warfare program exists within Israel today. A motive for the anthrax attacks would be to blame Arab terrorists or a ‘rogue nation’ for this atrocity and to help launch the United States into war against Israel’s enemies. Lastly, Israel had prior knowledge of the planned attacks on September 11.
Israel’s bio-weapons programs dates back to the earliest formation of the Zionist state. Dr. Avner Cohen documents Israel’s program in his paper, “Israel and Chemical/Biological Weapons: History, Deterrence, and Arms Control.”[50] Cohen begins by describing how Zionists during the 1948 war poisoned the wells and water supplies of Arab villagers. According to Israeli military historian Dr. Uri Milstein, the typhoid epidemic that spread throughout the costal town of Acre in May 1948 was the result of Zionist Jews contaminating the Arabs’ water supply. In Gaza the Jews failed in a similar attempt. The Egyptian Army found four Jews disguised as Arabs near the water wells. The four terrorists were caught with a canteen filled with dysentery and typhoid bacteria. All four were tried, convicted, and hanged within a three-month period. Dr. Cohen questions if the two incidents were isolated or part of a larger program of bio-warfare during the 1948 war.
Israel’s bio-weapons facilities are located at the Israel Institute of Biological Research (IIBR) in Ness Ziona (also Nes Ziona, Nes Tona) a few miles southeast of Tel Aviv. In 1952 the IIBR consisted of a single building hidden in an orange grove. Today, the IIBR has grown into a massive 14-acre compound with several hundred employees surrounded by high walls and electronic sensors. What goes on behind those high walls is something Israel would prefer to be kept secret.
Dutch journalist Karel Knip has researched the IIBR and came up with some interesting findings. Knip began by going through medical literature he found on the Internet. Specifically, he focused on the papers of 140 scientists affiliated with IIBR over the last five decades. With the help of experts on chemical and biological weapons, Knip developed an overview of the various programs that exist at IIBR. Knip found IIBR research began in the 1950s involving plague, typhus, and rabies. Dr. Avner Cohen discusses Knip’s findings in his paper and states, “… a significant number of studies at IIBR focused on anti-livestock agents, following the path of other national BW [bio-weapons] programs at the time.” ‘Anti-livestock agents’ is Cohen’s cryptic reference to Israel’s anthrax programs.
A motive for Israel in launching the anthrax attacks would be to bring America into war against Iraq and to remove that country as a potential threat to the Jewish state. When Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, the United States Senate was thrown into a heated debate as to whether or not this country should go to war. Senator Tom Daschle took the lead in being against American involvement. In order for Israel to achieve her war objective, this time Senator Daschle would have to be removed—or turned toward Israel’s position. Either way, Israel would win.
Likewise, Senator Patrick Leahy ran afoul of the Israelis when he introduced his Leahy Amendment to the Foreign Operations Appropriations Act. The Leahy Amendment, also called the Leahy Law, prohibits American arms sales to foreign security or military units that systematically violate human rights.[51] The Israeli military routinely tortures Palestinian prisoners,[52] assassinates Arab political figures, and fires American-made rockets and missiles into civilian crowds and apartment buildings. If an American administration ever decided to enforce the Leahy Law, Israel would find herself under an arms embargo. Eliminating or ‘turning’ her Senatorial adversaries—a gamble she couldn’t lose— would be powerful motives for Israel to target Senators Daschle and Leahy for political assassination by anthrax.
For Israel to have initiated the anthrax attacks, prior knowledge of the al-Qaeda plot was essential. The Mossad, Israel’s external intelligence service, has made it their mission to track Arab terrorists around the world. Indirect evidence of Mossad’s surveillance of the al-Qaeda hijackers prior to September 11 can be found in the Drug Enforcement Agency report, “Suspicious Activities Involving Israeli Art Students at DEA Facilities,”[53] and in an investigative report from Fox News.[54]

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 14 2023 5:15 utc | 191

…… Today’s uploads of resistance fighters hitting what appears to be very clueless idf
https://t.me/intelslava/53819
Hamas seem brazen enough to even stand in the open right next to armour and fire. There’s no infantry screen which is tactically inexcusable
Posted by: Hankster ……
It’s my understanding that IDF infantry is mainly Sephardim and IDF armor is mainly Askanazi. We all know Israeli society is rife with deep seated ethnic and social divisions. Suspect the infantry is now simply telling its officers never happen when ordered to support armor.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 14 2023 6:09 utc | 192

The Israelis hate Christians too:
Israelis spitting on Christians:
However, Itamar Ben Gvir, Israel’s national security minister, who oversees the police, said in an interview with Army Radio that spitting at Christians was “not a criminal case” and that not everything justifies an arrest.”
link

Posted by: Laura Roslin | Dec 14 2023 6:29 utc | 193

Biden administration staffers call for cease-fire while protesting outside White House
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/biden-administration-staffers-call-for-cease-fire-while-protesting-outside-white-house/ar-AA1ltaQw

Biden administration staffers held a vigil outside of the White House Wednesday where they called for a cease-fire in Gaza.
“A group of Biden administration staffers calling for a ceasefire are gathered right now outside the White House,” an NBC senior White House correspondent posted to X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, on Wednesday.
The post featured a photo of a group gathered in front of the White House, with a few holding a banner reading “PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOUR STAFF DEMANDS A CEASEFIRE.” In front of the group, there also appeared to be candles arranged in such a way as to spell out “CEASEFIRE.”
According to CNN, the vigil featured over three dozen people. A State Department official named Josh Paul, who resigned in mid-October due to his opposition to the Biden administration’s handling of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinian militant group Hamas, reportedly gave opening remarks at the vigil.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 14 2023 7:08 utc | 194

re Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 14 2023 0:58 utc | 170
“…This is the same Russia that argued for the SMO on account of a genocide taking place, it really is, no matter how hard it is to believe it is…
It is as if Russia and Lavrov do not want to admit that all civilians in Gaza are in the advanced process of starving to death…….”
of course Russia used the ‘genocide’ card when it was advantageous to their own geo-strategic political and military interests in Ukraine. hah. but now the shoe is on the other foot, the Palestinian foot
and do not for one minute expect Putin/Lavrov to come riding to the assistance of the Palestinians. hah. Outside its immediate ‘sphere of interest’ Russia is all about business; of course it’s more complicated than that but not by much as far as the Middle East is concerned.
Russia has many economic/political interests in israel not to mention over a million Russian jews living there…. What business and profits does it reap from the Palestinians? hah.
Russia/Putin will talk well at times about the children suffering, and the dead as a door-nail two state solution, etc etc, but there’s a deep sea between saying and doing.
It will never ever supply arms to the Palestinians, or even huge humanitarian aid to Gaza, or boycott or sanction israel. hah! or intervene against Bibi and the other religious crackpots that now govern the apartheid state and are threatening a regional war.
We must look elsewhere for that: to Hamas, Hezbollah, Yemen and the Houthis, the assorted militias in Iraq and Syria….. and to Iran.
forget Russia on this one. And probably China too….

Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 14 2023 7:44 utc | 195

As Zionist casualties mount steadily in Gaza, there seems to be an increasing breakdown in morale and discipline amongst Zionist troops. Crimes and atrocities against civilians, sexual offences, large scale looting and theft from homes and shops, and pointless wanton vandalism, are now universal.
Posted by: anon | Dec 13 2023 23:30 utc | 150
Your whole summrary was excellent but this statement above is the biggest problem. If your toddler has a raging fit in the supermarket, you can’t reason with them. You just need to pick them up and take them away. The more Hamas and Hezbollah display winning military tactics. the more Israel will abuse and kill civilians. It’s something more subhuman than I’ve ever witnessed in my lifetime because it seems to be Israeli government policy fully supported by the Collective Waste and, as many others point out, Russia.
Russia seems to care so much about its dual citizens who exploit Russia and yet it is always so dismissive of the republics such as Chechnya. Without the Chechens, the SMO in Ukraine would not be were it is today. Russia’s problem is that its political and business elites believe themselvees to be “European” as in “colonial European garden”.

Posted by: pq | Dec 14 2023 8:13 utc | 196

If Russia is concerned about the long-term survival prospects of Russian Jews in Israel it really should advise them to get out of there now.
Posted by: Jane | Dec 14 2023 2:03 utc | 184
Does Lavrov really want them back? I don’t think so. Let them stay where they are.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 14 2023 8:26 utc | 197

In a post of this thread I have commented about the state of psychological delusion of some humans who are deceiving others from their academia pulpits, and I’ve called them by the pronoun “it”.
When a human being, male o female, speaks from the inside trying to be a sincere person, altougth multiple errors are commited in the claims, there are his or her words.
When these teachers and experts talk and write in the Mass Madia their words do not correspond with the evidence of the facts: they lie.
They are “it”, in minuscula, because “it” does not have an individual and personal responsability about the facts: there is no concern about the pain inflicted upon real persons because they feel themselves behind an umbrella of authority.
That’s why the people are tired of the falsity of the democratic representatives who are buyers in this rigged game.
When the society is mature, comes the fascism…
Wait… We live in the 4th

Posted by: Caga | Dec 14 2023 8:32 utc | 198

Stalin established a Jewish automous region as far from Moscow as possible near Vladivostok and Israel now has the same function.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 14 2023 8:36 utc | 199

Mature and rotted is the same, BtW
Tell my apples

Posted by: Caga | Dec 14 2023 8:39 utc | 200