Palestine Open Thread 2023-301

December 13, 2023

Haaretz:

Graphic Videos and Incitement: How the IDF Is Misleading Israelis on Telegram (archived)
The IDF unit responsible for psychological warfare operations operates a Telegram channel called '72 Virgins – Uncensored,' which targets local audiences with 'exclusive content from the Gaza Strip'

The channel, which boasts of "exclusive content from the Gaza Strip" and has published over 700 posts, images and videos of terrorists being killed and of destruction in the Strip, encourages its 5,300 followers to share the content so that "everyone can see that we're screwing them."

The Israel Defense Forces denies that it operates the channel, but a senior military official confirmed to Haaretz that the army is responsible for operating it. "There is no reason for the IDF to conduct influence campaigns on Israeli citizens of Israel," said the official, who requested anonymity. "The messages there are problematic. It doesn't look like an awareness campaign of an army like the IDF, but more like talking points for [far-right rapper] The Shadow, and the fact that soldiers operate such a problematic page is egregious," he said.

The channel was created October 9, two days after the war began, as The Avengers. The next day the name was changed to Azazel, echoing the Hebrew pronunciation of "Gaza" and a word for hell, and then 72 Virgins – Uncensored. An October 11 post read: "Burning their mother … You won't believe the video we got! You can hear the crunch of their bones. We'll upload it right away, get ready." Images of Palestinian captives and the bodies of terrorists were captioned "Exterminating the roaches … exterminating the Hamas rats. … Share this beauty." The following text accompanies a video of an Israeli soldier allegedly dipping machine gun bullets in pork fat: "What a man!!!!! Lubricates bullets with lard. You won't get your virgins." And: "Garbage juice!!!! Another dead terrorist!! You have to watch it with the sound, you'll die laughing."
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Posted by b on December 13, 2023 at 13:19 UTC | Permalink

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I wonder:
If the Izzraelis flood the Gazan tunnels with sea water, or ZyklonB, or whatever, would they also be drowing the remaining hostages?

Is flooding, or bombing, or gassing the tunnels a continuation of the Hannibal Doctrine?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2023 13:24 utc | 1

The pace of Hezbollah strikes in the South of Lebanon has increased in frequency and intensity:

15:25 Islamic Resistance launched a targeted assault on the Shomera barracks (the occupied Lebanese town of Tarbikha), employing appropriate weaponry that resulted in a direct and successful hit
15:23 Islamic Resistance fighters executed a precise strike on the Ramya site using suitable weaponry, resulting in a direct hit
15:21 Al-Qassam Brigades completely obliterates a Zionist personnel carrier east of the city of Khan Yunis, employing a “P29” shell for the operation
15:20 The Islamic Resistance fighters successfully struck the Al-Malikiyah site with precision, utilizing a Burkan missile that hit its target directly

I would like to imagine they’re trying to pull the IDF genocide gangs’ attention northward before they can butcher more families wholesale.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2023 13:38 utc | 2

Deeply disturbing background on Israel/US war crimes >
https://johnhelmer.net/new-evidence-that-israel-is-using-a-new-uranium-weapon-make-that-the-neutron-bomb/

Posted by: Gerry Bell | Dec 13 2023 13:40 utc | 3

Courteous of Israel to answer Mearsheimer’s question of ‘Have You No Decency?’ right away.

Posted by: Red Outsider | Dec 13 2023 13:42 utc | 4

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2023 13:24 utc | 1
Basic compartimentalization via collapsing select sections should be built in such a system at a minimum. Water and gas are too much an obvious theat to ignore.

Posted by: Satepestage | Dec 13 2023 13:43 utc | 5

@Arch Bungler
“If the Izzraelis flood the Gazan tunnels with sea water, or ZyklonB, or whatever, would they also be drowing the remaining hostages?
Is flooding, or bombing, or gassing the tunnels a continuation of the Hannibal Doctrine?”
What gives you the idea that Israel cares about the hostages?
They have two goals: kill as many Palestinians as possible and make Gaza unfit for human habitation.
The hostages are a problem: many of them, when released tell stories about their captivity and how they were treated that contradict the official narrative fo the genocidal regime. Why confuse the Israeli public or worse, give them cognitive dissonance?

Posted by: ariadna | Dec 13 2023 13:45 utc | 6

Beggars description it does. No surprise they are so incompetent. Juvenile and viscious, insecure, lacking in all self-awareness, like the USA, they have gone downhill fast these last 20-30 years.
Just like Joe Biden.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 13 2023 13:50 utc | 7

Basic compartimentalization via collapsing select sections should be built in such a system at a minimum.
Posted by: Satepestage | Dec 13 2023 13:43 utc | 5
Indeed, Satepestage and yet the way the Izzraelis keep harping about it you’d think these geniuses either can’t grasp that potentiality or are really hoping their limp psyop is going to convince those that matter …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2023 13:51 utc | 8

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2023 13:24 utc | 1
Of course they would. It is quite clear they don’t really want those hostages back, the ones behind this find hostages handy as a justification for their violence and lawlessness, and that is all.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 13 2023 13:54 utc | 9

RE: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2023 13:24 utc | 1
“If the Izzraelis flood the Gazan tunnels with sea water, or ZyklonB, or whatever, would they also be drowning the remaining hostages?”
Frankly, IMO, it’s time for Hamas to return civilian hostages regardless of supposed “Leverage”. Obviously all those screaming families mean zilch, as they die in captivity, it means nothing. Just saying, it’s an unnecessary burden for Hamas to feed, give medical care, house & protect them. They are not worth the trouble, as the “leverage” card isn’t working.
They should keep ALL soldiers, Mossad, all “combatants” and re-label “POWS”, and take this issue off the “international platform”. I’m guessing the whole “civilian” hostages, out of the 200 (?)- 178 (?)… if those numbers are correct, probably, honestly maybe 50-60 are actually civilians.
The re-label the rest POW’s, because frankly, all Nuttyyahoo and IDF want, is those Commander’s and Officers, and sure throw some troops in. It’s all they care about.
So, get rid of the burden of the civilians, look “accommodating/reasonable” for PR…and let them know POW’s will be released when Israel releases POW’s at end of war.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 13 2023 14:08 utc | 10

10 IDF officers killed yesterday in northern Gaza. Ambushed.
Al Jazeera is reporting that IDF executed women and children in a school in Gaza.
There can be no Israel in the future. That entity must be dismantled.

Posted by: Wilbur | Dec 13 2023 14:12 utc | 11

The world’s most moral army….HA!

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 14:13 utc | 12

Frankly, IMO, it’s time for Hamas to return civilian hostages regardless of supposed “Leverage”.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 13 2023 14:08 utc | 12
There is no such thing as an Izzraeli “civilian”. Don’t fall for the mind control.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2023 14:15 utc | 13

Right wing TV commentator Megan Kelly is calling for a boycott of Taylor Swift because she attended a comedy show in Brooklyn where all the proceeds were donated to humanitarian relief in Gaza. My hope is that she attended primarily to get some tips from Egyptian/American comedian Ramy Youssef, who was putting on the show, because she is planning to hold a concert with all the proceeds going to Palestinian genocide relief. I don’t know if Taylor Swift has Kirk Douglas type courage, but maybe she does. I know I’m only dreaming, but if Time Magazine’s Person of the Year held a concert for Palestine, it would drive a nail into the genocide movement.
https://www.thewrap.com/megyn-kelly-calls-for-taylor-swift-boycott-ramy-youssef-comedy-show-gaza/

Posted by: Chas | Dec 13 2023 14:25 utc | 14

Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2023 14:15 utc | 15
Agreed, but it isn’t my mind that is controlled. This “hostage” issue word salad, needs to be redressed with more acceptable terminology, optics for PR and presentation to UN body: “See, we released all “hostages”… all we have left are POW’s” “hostages” needs to be eliminated from the conversation.
Look, I’m on the same page as you Arch. Remember “First Blood?”…where the Kernel was chastising “John” for harming “civilians”… and Sylvester Stallone said: “There are no civilians Sir”. We know this, I’m reaching for a way to take the absurdity of the accusations off the table, and don’t see any reason why Hamas should burden itself any further keeping them alive. Of course, they could just kill them in captivity and be done with it, bu, maybe this way, they get something for their allies that are fighting at the UN for them.
In the end, I know none of it matters at all.Just making a suggestion.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 13 2023 14:32 utc | 15

There is no such thing as an Izzraeli “civilian”. Don’t fall for the mind control.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2023 14:15 utc | 15

Is it too difficult for you to understand that all the atrocities committed by the Israelis are justified in their belief that there is no such thing as a Palestinian civilian?

Posted by: Leuk | Dec 13 2023 14:38 utc | 16

Posted by: canuck | Dec 13 2023 14:39 utc | 17

Posted by: Leuk | Dec 13 2023 14:38 utc | 19
“Is it too difficult for you to understand that all the atrocities committed by the Israelis are justified in their belief that there is no such thing as a Palestinian civilian?”
Honestly, I think you just made Arch’s point.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 13 2023 14:42 utc | 18

Posted by: Chas | Dec 13 2023 14:25 utc | 16
So Trump was right about Megyn when he said “She’s got blood dripping from her…..whatever.”?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 13 2023 14:43 utc | 19

so…. bomb a residential area.. killing some peoples …then bulldoze that to make a holding pen for remainder peoples…or to make it a burial ground????????? Wow.

Posted by: Jo | Dec 13 2023 14:49 utc | 20

Is it too difficult for you to understand that all the atrocities committed by the Israelis are justified in their belief that there is no such thing as a Palestinian civilian?
Posted by: Leuk | Dec 13 2023 14:38 utc | 19
Way ahead of you on this one.
– Izzrael is the colonial occupier.
– While Palestine is the occupied.

Logically the occupying party during an active occupation under resistance cannot claim to have a civilian part. I mean, Izzrael doesn’t even have agreed borders … how then can they have a civilian population?

No, the entire population is part and parcel of the active occupation process.
These are not the actions of a civilian population.
So, based on logic alone, there can be no such thing as an Izzraeli civilian.
Now, perhaps you meant:

“The misery we see today is because the Zionist Jew does not see the Palestinian as a civilian and if only he did, all would be well” … ?

Well, even there you’d be wrong.
You see, not only do they not see Palestinians as “civilian” but they do not even see them as human.

Moreover, no matter what the Izzraelis saw the Palestinians as, it would not change the fact that The Anglo-Zionist Empire would find some means of framing the Palestinians as somehow worthy of annihilation.
In short:
That there is no such thing as an Zionist “civilian” occupier is a fact, regardless of how they should be “seen” by thew Palestinians. Regardless of how the Palestinians see them, they are still being genocided by them.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2023 14:50 utc | 21

Just amazes me that the ,,civilised” West gives the Zionst state unconditional support when it comes to this Srebrenica operation on the Gaza – strip.

Posted by: Siggi | Dec 13 2023 14:56 utc | 22

RE: anon | Dec 13 2023 14:07 utc | 11
“I must confess to being a bit puzzled by some of the content of this Zio Hate Channel.”
It’s not a “Zio-Hate Channel”..it is an “Evil-Hate Channel”.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 13 2023 14:59 utc | 23

Pennsylvania governor Josh Shapiro asked how hard it can be to condemn genocide. You know what he meant. The genocide of Jews at UPenn.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 13 2023 15:00 utc | 24

Fun fact: Zionists believe they are winning the PR war.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 13 2023 15:01 utc | 25

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/12/12/grzegorz-braun-poland-lawmaker-menorah/71895370007/
Brave politician unlike any in the west.
Except for maybe Dr. Shiva
https://youtu.be/XlrEUfOPxwA?si=3X68gECixotoWgrG

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 15:05 utc | 26

@26 pinochet
You would be the expert on impotent rage, glaringly obvious.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 15:08 utc | 27

You would be the expert on impotent rage, glaringly obvious.
Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 15:08 utc | 32
Same goes for the globohomo rhetoric. Isn’t the LGBT community Israel’s PRIDE?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 13 2023 15:11 utc | 28

This is what counts. All the rest is impotent rage.
Posted by: Augusto Pi | Dec 13 2023 14:57 utc | 26
Here is impotent rage:

Israeli government spokesperson Eylon Levy briefs the media amid the IDF’s ongoing onslaught in Gaza. The press briefing comes after an ambush by Hamas fighters led to the death of ten Israeli soldiers, including two senior officers. Meanwhile, pressure mounts on Israel to curb its indiscriminate bombing of the Gaza Strip. The UNGA also passed a resolution demanding a ceasefire in Gaza. Watch this video for all the details.

Israel Govt Briefs Media After Hamas Ambush Kills 10 IDF Soldiers
Three waves of IDF goons go into a school,
Each wave of IDF daleks gets blown sky high.
Each wave think they can rescue the previous.
Each gets taken out by HAMAS warriors.
Impotent rage will now be taken out against civilians, since the IDF hasn’t the balls or the brains to take HAMAS face to face.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2023 15:11 utc | 29

“Global Strikes” that began last Saturday after failed UNSC vote are beginning to gain traction at a faster pace:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/us-businesses-and-consumers-participate-in-global-strike-to-demand-a-ceasefire-in-gaza/ar-AA1lrGbM
“The call to strike was honored in communities across the world, including many in the United States. More than 270 businesses closed on Monday in the Chicago area alone, according to the Coalition for Justice in Palestine, a local activist organization. Businesses taking part included fitness studios, auto repair shops, salons and private schools.”
“This strike is important because everyone is united in saying no and everyone is united in their support for a ceasefire that stops all actions against Gaza once and for all,” Owda said”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 13 2023 15:21 utc | 30

Looks like the Occupiers are herding Palestinians into a Mass Grave.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 13 2023 15:22 utc | 31

Do barflies think that the Samson Option (nukes pointed at Washington, Paris, London etc if Israel is in existential jeopardy)
that Israel has as foreign policy frightens the West such that they let Israel maraud as it sees fit?
Posted by: canuck | Dec 13 2023 14:39 utc | 20
No!
“Israel” hasn’t got any Nukes. It doesn’t need them because it “owns” AmeriKKKa’s politicians and the CIA and thus its Nukes. And has done so for the past 50+ years.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 13 2023 15:28 utc | 32

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 13 2023 15:11 utc | 34
WTF is globohomo rhetoric?
Is that some pseudo-insult invented by right wingers so insecure of their own sexuality they’re frightened by anyone who is confident in theirs?
BTW, the zionists aroused by genocide are the same ones trying to stamp out LGBT people in Occupied Palestine.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 15:30 utc | 33

Qatar/Hostages:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/hamas-not-responding-to-attempts-to-get-hostage-negotiations-back-on-track/ar-AA1lrwiN
(NOTE: Biden meeting supposed :US Hostage Families on Air for PR–why article generated now)
Clips: “There’s not an active negotiation, but there’s a real exploration of ideas for how to get this going,” the senior US official said.
But Hamas has not been responsive to the outreach, the source familiar said.”
“The Israeli prime minister’s office believes there are 135 hostages that remain in Gaza, 116 of whom are alive.
Israel’s view that Hamas must first release the remaining female hostages remains unchanged, according to sources. Hamas has refused to do that, *arguing that the remaining women are considered soldiers* – a claim that Israel rejects.”
“US officials had said getting answers from Hamas was an incredibly *cumbersome process* during the first round of negotiations that led to a series of hostages being released. It may now be even harder for Hamas leaders to engage in talks now given the Israeli focus on hunting them down.”
Gosh…poor U.S…”encumbered”…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 13 2023 15:34 utc | 34

WTF is globohomo rhetoric?
Is that some pseudo-insult invented by right wingers so insecure of their own sexuality they’re frightened by anyone who is confident in theirs?
Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 15:30 utc | 39
Yes. Courtesy Jacob Dreizin. His point is that Arabs are violent because they are homos.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 13 2023 15:35 utc | 35

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 13 2023 15:42 utc | 36

Frankly, IMO, it’s time for Hamas to return civilian hostages
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 13 2023 14:08 utc | 12
Hamas say they have released all civilian captives. Only the “high value” armed combatants (men and women) remain hostage. I don’t think Hamas really wanted the civilians in the first place.
It was a headache for them to take care of them. They ended up with civilians partly because of the chaos of various groups (not only Hamas’ Al Qassam) crossing the border. Hamas was the one that took responsibility for collecting these people from various groups and releasing them during the 7 day pause which was an undertaking in and of itself.

Posted by: pq | Dec 13 2023 15:45 utc | 37

Seeing as the Palestinians have been forced to fight fire with fire they will be justified in fighting water with water too.
These water desalination plants must be getting twitchy with everyday that water is used as a weapon against the Palestinian civilians.
Say goodbye to all the greening of the desert bullshit agriculture.
What’s good for the goose…
The Fascist Nazi Israel Project has written its own demise and bunker mentality as much as the Nazis did with Hitler.
Any actual non Nazionist , none human-hating inhabitant in that illegal Apartheid state ought to be convinced by now that they stand on the wrong side.
As all sudden ‘Good Germans’ claimed after defeat.
Or they can choose to be remembered as the Chosen to the last – won’t be very long to wait, couple of years max.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 13 2023 15:53 utc | 38

@ jon 41
Ok, now that makes sense. Every homosexual I know has multiple wives.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 15:55 utc | 39

About « There is no such thing as an Izzraeli “civilian”»

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2023 14:50 utc | 24:
« Logically…
…based on logic alone… »

Sorry, there’s nothing logical about what you write.
For example, whether a person is a civilian or a soldier does not depend on the existence or demarcation of borders. You’re mixing everything up.
If you use a legal concept (« civilian »), do not substitute your own definition for it.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule5#:~:text=Civilians%20are%20persons%20who%20are%20not%20members%20of%20the%20armed%20forces.
And, as I pointed out, your comments are double-edged.

Posted by: Leuk | Dec 13 2023 15:56 utc | 40

Ok, now that makes sense. Every homosexual I know has multiple wives.
Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 15:55 utc | 39
Glad to help. Just understand they are suppressing their homosexuality.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 13 2023 15:58 utc | 41

Note – now that the Likud has formally announced Hamas Political leaders will be assainated …..every single Israeli politician, civil servant, diplomat, and gov‘t official is now also at risk of assasination. Tit-for-tat
Somehow the Likud has gone mad. Blind Rage ?

Posted by: Exile | Dec 13 2023 16:04 utc | 42

Somehow the Likud has gone mad. Blind Rage ?
Posted by: Exile | Dec 13 2023 16:04 utc | 42
According to Augusto Pi[nochet] impotent rage …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2023 16:08 utc | 43

Barbarism or socialism?
Has society seen enough barbarism yet?
Glad to read about Taylor Swift’s actions.
Onward with our civilization war but it feels like a schoolyard squabble about everything but the God Of Mammon part of our current Western social contract.
IMO. if society cannot replace global private finance with sovereign nation finance as a public utility, real social progress will be fleeting.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 13 2023 16:10 utc | 44

Lebanese TV reports;
17:34 The Al-Qassam Brigades targets 7 Merkava tanks and a D9 bulldozer in the eastern part of Khan Yunis, the Beit Lahia, and in Tal al-Zaatar in the northern Gaza Strip. The operation involved the use of Al-Yassin 105 shells and ‘Shawaz’ charge
============
Comment – unclear if this is a claim of 7 Merkava‘s knocked out or just targeted. If knocked out, then tally is now 110 MBTs claimed to date. TBD pending daily SITREP or videos.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 13 2023 16:14 utc | 45

For example, whether a person is a civilian or a soldier does not depend on the existence or demarcation of borders. You’re mixing everything up.
If you use a legal concept (« civilian »), do not substitute your own definition for it.
Posted by: Leuk | Dec 13 2023 15:56 utc | 40
The legal definition can go to hell. We’ve just had the effectiveness of legal definitions in relation to international law demonstrated to us over the past two months – worthless.
My argument has two pillars, one of which may be debated , the other cannot be debated (it follows logically from self-evident axioms:
1. A civilian must be a member of a state. A state must have defined borders. Izzrael refuses to finalize it’s borders therefore it is not a state. It is an occupation. I too am under no obligation to recognize it as a state.
2. Izzrael is an occupier. All it’s members are part of an occupying force, military or non-military. All it’s members are actively engaged in occupation. There can be no such thing as a “Civilian Settler Occupier”. They are occupation forces – all of them.
You may debate the first point – however the second is indisputable and it is the second which is primary to my argument. The first provides additional context.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2023 16:15 utc | 46

All I wish for Christmas is that Israel gets what it deserves. Thank you.

Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 13 2023 16:15 utc | 47

As I predicted, Biden will give in to all Republican demands in order to push his arms for Ukraine/Israel bill through. Everything we are seeing here is on the head of Biden and the US, he could stop this all with a single phone call. Instead, he’s annihilating his own political coalition to support war and genocide around the world.

Posted by: Bob | Dec 13 2023 16:21 utc | 48

@Exile | Dec 13 2023 16:14 utc | 45
This is indeed an interesting report. And I too await further details as they are released. Based on information released in the last 72 hours, the zionist nazis are getting absolutely hammered in both the northern and southern axes in Gaza.

Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 13 2023 16:24 utc | 49

Arch,
You are (mostly) wrong. However – Combatants are defined as Soldiers and Paramilitaries. Soldiers on home leave are still considered combatants. It’s a grey area whether a reserve soldier who can be on the front line within 72 hours is a combatant.
Indeed – a yuge percentage of the Israeli population from age 17 to age 60 something male and female are combatants. Certainly 90%+ of all Israelis aged 17-45 are in some way combatants.
However – that does NOT mean that all Israelis are combatants.
Please

Posted by: Exile | Dec 13 2023 16:27 utc | 50

At Bob, 47:
Biden is incompetent and senile. That they can get him to resemble a functioning human at times can only be explained by strong drugs, doubles and Boston Dynamics. Take your pick(s).
Look for the man behind, pulling the strings.
My guess, peace prize winner, Obama.

Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 13 2023 16:28 utc | 51

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israel-has-just-begun-flooding-gaza-tunnels-what-it-means/

Posted by: crone | Dec 13 2023 16:31 utc | 52

hedlykarok @39: “Is that some pseudo-insult invented by right wingers…”
What is “homophobia”?
Nobody is actually afraid of fags… well, except perhaps for little girls trying to use a restroom in peace when a fag pretending to be a women waltzes in on her. That probably triggers some fear reactions.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 13 2023 16:34 utc | 53

However – that does NOT mean that all Israelis are combatants.
Please
Posted by: Exile | Dec 13 2023 16:27 utc | 50
Please, get a grip and pay attention. I did not say all Izzraelis were Combatants.
I clearly said that no Izzraelis were Civilians.
A colonizer cannot be a Civilian.
A Colonizer is an active part of colonial settler occupation.
Whatever the colonizer is, Combatant or not, he/she/it cannot be a Civilian.

There is no way on god’s green earth. a land thief, actively engaged in thieving land, actively in support of an occupying combatant force can be considered a civilian.

I understand you’ve placed your faith completely in the White Man’s Laws.
I understand you’re unable to break frame.
But understand this: This is exactly how we (the RotW), have been fucked for centuries: Playing by the White Man’s rules, using his definitions, imprisoned by his Laws that cannot even tell us if a genocide has been committed or when a civilian has been unjustly killed or whether a baby is a combatant or not.

So, respectfully, eff you and your ‘Laws’ and your ‘Legal Definitions’ too.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2023 16:36 utc | 54

Just days after the United States used its veto power to scuttle a UN Security Council resolution calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, the prime ministers of Australia, New Zealand, and Canada have issued a rare joint statement saying all three countries are in favour of the proposal. (Epoch Times)

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 13 2023 16:40 utc | 55

Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 13 2023 15:28 utc | 38
I don’t know who exactly controls Israel’s nukes, but JFK was killed over the dispute to house them there,(among other things) and the US/UK has littered the EU with them… It stands to reason, the US/UK definitely placed them in Israel as power projection control. Let’s face it, the US/UK never leaves home without them… in 63 the “range” wasn’t what it is today. That’s why they put them on the US/UK Israeli base
they call a Nation State.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 13 2023 15:42 utc | 36
Actually, Gentlemen, it was the France who aided Israel in developing nuclear technology and the nuclear bomb after the US kicked them out of the Suez in 1956.
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9781137298454_7#:~:text=France's%20diplomatic%20defeat%20in%20the,an%20Israeli%20nuclear%20weapons%20program.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 13 2023 16:43 utc | 56

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 16:44 utc | 57

g wiltek December13 2023 # 51
Several people share your view. I wonder… how is it that a ‘puppet’ … is used to control another ‘puppet’? Or why… for that matter? Obama was an empty suit himself, controlled … like a puppet.
My view is that Zionists, Straussians, Neocons … whatever one labels them … control and have controlled completely, the US gov’t and it’s ‘wars’. Their innate belief that they are superior, they are the ‘only’ humans … ALL others are subhuman, animals… drives their obsession to remove the rest of us.

Posted by: crone | Dec 13 2023 16:47 utc | 58

Arch,
If you are making the case that the non-combatant settler/squatters are criminals of some sort, then there is a case to be made.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 13 2023 16:50 utc | 59

Posted by: canuck | Dec 13 2023 16:50 utc | 60

RE:Posted by: Bob | Dec 13 2023 16:21 utc | 48
“Everything we are seeing here is on the head of Biden and the US, he could stop this all with a single phone call. Instead, he’s annihilating his own political coalition to support war and genocide around the world.”
I’m still tossing this in my head, but reports from here and Ukraine post, are changing my mind regarding a Palestinian ceasefire.
I’m seeing less and less advantage for Hamas/Palestinians in a ceasefire agreement.Yeah sure, for now, they live another day.
Would a ceasefire end the occupation? No.
Would it create a 2 state solution? No.
Would it create a just one-state solution? No.
It would simply be a continued occupation, a continuation of war crimes and “mowing the lawn”.
Even today, on TASS, they reported a 2 State solution would be years to make.
The Palestinian may continue to lose multiple 1000s of lives, but consider the ethnic cleansing, land theft and eventual removal from Palestine as this “issue” once again leaves the front burner and the global world moves on. Again, more thousands will be incarcerated and killed with a ceasefire.
It may be time to throw in all the marbles. Most likely would become a global affair. The very least a ME fire.
Nevertheless, the ejection of the West, from Ukraine, from the ME and from Africa needs to be done.
Russia/China may have had some dewy-eyed dreams of a relative “civil collapse” as the USSR demonstrated, the USSR could have burned to whole world down as well, but they choose a realignment, and reconstituting their National culture, peacefully and rebuilding their Nation in a thoughtful way.
The US/UK et el simply doesn’t have that will, intellect or humility.As they collapse, they want the whole world to go down and suffer.
I suppose Hamas/Palestine could relent and exist another 10 years under the yoke of occupation as the West blows itself up, and that may be the ending. Idk.
As far as I see now, the ceasefire will only benefit the Israeli war criminals.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 13 2023 16:56 utc | 61

We are in this unique age featuring media like Twitter or Telegram, where individuals and groups are free to voluntarily express just how deep or shallow they are. And completely appropriately we have the IDF officially and proudly displaying war crimes, politicians officially and honestly displaying their nihilism and lack of empathy, certain celebrities officially and gorily displaying their narcisissm and ignorance and specific pundits officially and speciously displaying their small-mindedness. It’s all just out there for everyone to see!
It reminds me of the Dao De Jing, chapter 38.

Therefore when Tao is lost, there is goodness.
When goodness is lost, there is kindness.
When kindness is lost, there is justice.
When justice is lost, there is ritual.
Now ritual is the husk of faith and loyalty, the beginning of confusion.

“Confusion”. As with all Chinese texts this one too has a semi-infinite amount of possible translations, and some of them translate the very last part using the words “disorder” or “chaos” instead. And – appropriately, again – the most egregious displays of chaos are the ones garnering the most likes, while people like Craig Murray get their accounts stolen and see themselves smeared under quite suspicious conditions. It’s all out there, for everyone to see.

Posted by: pachinko | Dec 13 2023 16:57 utc | 62

hedlykarok @57: “Anyone who calls homosexual men ‘fags’ are obviously deathly afraid of them.”
Sure, I’m afraid a fag might sprain his limp wrist trying to slap me in melodramatic rage when I mock his affected lisp. I’m afraid I might then injure myself laughing. I’m afraid he might start crying, not because it causes me to notice that I am largely insensitive to his internal travails, but rather because others might assume I assaulted him with something other than a guffaw.
Yep, I’m afraid of fags! /s

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 13 2023 17:02 utc | 63

hedlykarok @39: “Is that some pseudo-insult invented by right wingers…”
What is “homophobia”?
Nobody is actually afraid of fags… well, except perhaps for little girls trying to use a restroom in peace when a fag pretending to be a women waltzes in on her. That probably triggers some fear reactions.
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 13 2023 16:34 utc | 53
“No one is afraid of ‘fags’? ”
Well have your ever heard of the Sacred Band (1)? they were 150 pairs of homosexual lovers who were the elite warriors of Thebes that overthrew Sparta at Leuctra in 371-the Spartans were afraid of them.
Alexander the Great was a switch hitter as was Richard the Lion hearted-many warriors were scared of them. Not to mention General Friedrich von Steuben or Frederick the Great (2).
Forty years ago when I was in high school I didn’t understand when some of my friends greatly despised homosexuals. I couldn’t care less then or now. I would say then , guys, “if more men were gay we would have an easier time picking up broads [that’s what we called then then] as there would be less competition.”
I finally realized what these ‘gay haters’ were really scared of -their own latent homosexual desires.
Hence, every time I see, like here, anti-gay sentiment I am reminded what has sprouted that emotion.
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes#:~:text=The%20Sacred%20Band%20of%20Thebes,century%20BC%2C%20ending%20Spartan%20domination
2. Gen. Friedrich von Steuben. Without this gay military genius, the Continental army might not have won the Revolutionary War. Friedrich von Steuben joined the Prussian army as a teen, eventually becoming an aide-de-camp to Frederick the Great, who was also rumored to be gay.Nov 11, 2021.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 13 2023 17:04 utc | 64

Ilan Pappe supports Arch’s argument. This is a from ‘Why is Israel Failing’ an article he wrote for thepalestine Chronicle in 2020, I believe.
“…Zionist settlements, on the contrary, religiously guarded their orchards and fields and perceived anyone touching them as robbers and terrorists. This is why, from the very beginning, they did not build normal human habitats, but bastions with walls and watchtowers – blurring the difference between civilians and soldiers in the settler community….
“….Whoever came as a Zionist, whether hoping to find an empty land, or determined to make it an empty land, was drafted into a settler military society that could only implement the dream of the empty land by sheer force…”
https://informationclearinghouse.blog/2023/12/12/why-is-israel-failing/
There is a very disturbing story by John Helmer and Christopher Busby at Dances wth Bears today.
There is evidence that Israel is using a neutron bomb of some kind to make Gaxa uninhabitable.
https://johnhelmer.net/new-evidence-that-israel-is-using-a-new-uranium-weapon-make-that-the-neutron-bomb/

Posted by: bevin | Dec 13 2023 17:04 utc | 65

@ gruff #53
“Nobody is actually afraid of fags… ”
Anyone who calls homosexual men ‘fags’ are obviously deathly afraid of them. Most likely because they are latently gay and know it deep down.
Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 16:44 utc | 57
Exactly.
I posted my thoughts on the subject before I saw yours.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 13 2023 17:05 utc | 66

Haha gruff, my guess is your more likely to kneel at the gloryhole for your protein snack!

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 17:06 utc | 67

Someone please tell me …
What case can be made to call new born babys and children a ligitamate target, by israel.
Untill then i’d suggest Hamas actions are ‘ligit’ all of them.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 13 2023 17:06 utc | 68

Nuremberg principles this was used for the Nuremberg_trials immediately after WWII of suspected Nazi war criminals:
Principle I
Any person who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefor and liable to punishment.
Principle II
The fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law.
Principle III
The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law, acted as Head of State or responsible government official, does not relieve him from responsibility under international law.
Principle IV
Main article: Superior orders
The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.
This principle could be paraphrased as follows: “It is not an acceptable excuse to say ‘I was just following my superior’s orders'”.

Posted by: phenon | Dec 13 2023 17:10 utc | 69

hedlykarok @67
Whatever delusion you need to get through the day, I guess…

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 13 2023 17:12 utc | 70

RE: canuck | Dec 13 2023 16:43 utc | 56
Very true, France definitely began the process, but it was Abe Feinberg from New York that raised the enormous $$ needed to build.
As others have pointed out, the last thing “Israel” is to America, is a “friend” or “ally”.
They are the most treacherous, dangerous, lying & treasonous enemy state the US has ever had.
Hey, truthfully, this may be Biden’s way of getting rid of them once and for all as well.
Obama could never stand Israel, so maybe he’s egging Joe on to keep doing what he’s doing.
Supposedly Llyod Austin will be making his begging trip to ask Bahrain and Qatar to “patrol the Red Sea” and trying to create an “Arab Sea Coalition” to defend Israel.
They also are trying to plot an Arab “Peacekeeping Force” inside of Israel.
Why do I think if Hezbollah were to gone into an all out war with Israel… those ships would just sit out there and the sailors would drink coffee and stare out over the horizon? Maybe wait for some Israeli’s to swim out there.
Because they know to know, even with Nuttyahoo et el gone, another Nuttyyahu will take his place, and they want their IMEC and other plans for ME done.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 13 2023 17:14 utc | 71

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 13 2023 17:06 utc | 68
Many zionists going back decades have publicly stated they infer Palestinians in particular and Arabs in general to be less than human. Vermin, snakes, roaches, etc. so it matters not to the evil ones what age they may be.
And thanks canuck, we all no there’s no cure for stupid.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 17:16 utc | 72

They syphon all of value
and don a human face
and trumpet their ambition
to enslave` the human race
no pity for its victims
no conscience as its guide
they serve their evil Master
and carry out his work with pride
we’ll kill them all and you as well
we’ll drag you all into hell
it will not stop until it’s bled
every host until its dead
WIP

Posted by: ld | Dec 13 2023 17:19 utc | 73

the brutal raging savage beast
incensed to see its power fade
rakes it claws and sinks its teeth
renting children neath its blade
exposed for all the world to see
laid bare the masquerade

Posted by: ld | Dec 13 2023 17:20 utc | 74

mold continues to multiply after eating half a piece of cheese, what happens when demand exceeds supply?
If we’re the mold and Earth is the cheese, how many need and/or want how much, where is half way, who’s got what’s left, who gets cut off when, who will compete with who for what’s left and how is who most likely to win?
Should you do what you need to whether you like it or not, sooner than later?
g | Dec 13 2023 17:21 utc | 75
there’s a poem in there somewhere
gimme a minute lol

Posted by: ld | Dec 13 2023 17:25 utc | 75

Hey g, lay off the LSD.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 17:26 utc | 76

hedlykarok @ 72
Any group or society that condones mass murder of inocent children needs to be terminated (ambiguos)
Israel, US and Uk.
Any group fighting against mass murder of children deserves our full support.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 13 2023 17:28 utc | 77

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/britain-israelis-fighting-in-gaza-threat-uk-rule-law
British nationals who are part of Israel’s military machine that commits war crimes should be open to prosecution on return to the UK. But will this ever happen?

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 17:28 utc | 78

@Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2023 16:36 utc | 54
Amen.

Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 13 2023 17:33 utc | 79

“The Brutish are getting away with war crimes! The IDF should be allowed to commit war crimes too! It’s just not fair!”
Interesting times.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 13 2023 17:35 utc | 80

And thanks canuck, we all no there’s no cure for stupid.
Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 17:16 utc | 72
I find it quite ironic that a poster who has so much justified passion for the human rights of the poor Palestinians can, at the same time, deny the same sympathies to a homosexuals.
I wouldn’t say, ‘stupid”, to describe the sexual discrimination; I would label it “misguided, confused”.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 13 2023 17:39 utc | 81

the brutal raging savage beast
incensed to see its power fade
rakes it claws and sinks its teeth
renting children neath its blade
exposed for all the world to see
laid bare the masquerade
Posted by: ld | Dec 13 2023 17:20 utc | 74
Hey Id, I love the poem so relevant. Do you mind if I use it in my Israel-Palestine Weekly Update?

Posted by: Robert Hamilton Camp | Dec 13 2023 17:41 utc | 82

William Gruff@53…..you are confusing homosexuals with predators. There is a difference. Predators exists across the entire sexual spectrum, from male to female.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 13 2023 17:48 utc | 83

Predators exists across the entire sexual spectrum, from male to female.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 13 2023 17:48 utc | 84
And the most prolific find a safe home in the catholic as well as evangelical xian churches.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 17:51 utc | 84

“I find it quite ironic that a poster who has so much justified passion for the human rights of the poor Palestinians can, at the same time, deny the same sympathies to a homosexuals.”
Translation: “He made fun of me! That’s the same as trying to kill me!”
Kinda melodramatic and over-the-top, no?
This is why you fags are in the forefront of the West’s charge into delusion, right behind the trannies, which I suppose is a position you’re happy with.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 13 2023 17:54 utc | 85

Robert Hamilton Camp | Dec 13 2023 17:41 utc | 83
I pray that you do
here are a couple more if you wish them
Christmas in Satellite City
Time to celebrate the birth
of He who died for our salvation
with holidays and mirth
plus genocide and starvation
If there was a Jesus
he’d be turning in his grave
to see the blackened hearts of those
whose souls he died to save
No pity for the mothers
whose aching arms embrace
the limp and lifeless bodies
of children wantonly erased
When it’s time to meet your Maker
what excuse could you provide
for allowing this to happen
with your silence you abide
where are my striped pajamas
My crime is that of living
on my ancestral home
bestowed to men that hate me
by some king upon a throne
I sit here on the rubble
deep beneath my family lies
even though I know they’re gone
I still hear my daughter’s cries
to them we are not human.
to them we do not bleed
so they feel entitled
their hatred serves their greed
They came to steal our land
the country of our birth
they burned our fields and left us
this little patch of earth
even this they can’t abide
so finally… it’s genocide
you watched this one on tv
still it seems you do not see
eighty years and counting
how long must we endure
with your apathy and money
our ending is assured
where is my museum?
selective holocaust
ther’ve been so many Mai Lais
since humanity was lost

Posted by: ld | Dec 13 2023 17:54 utc | 86

Wow those are powerful ld, thank you.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 18:03 utc | 87

Their codename is Lynndie England:
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231213-report-israel-calls-up-female-battalion-for-special-tasks-in-gaza/
The Israeli army has called up the Israeli women’s Caracal Battalion for a “special classified operation” in the besieged Gaza Strip, Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper reported.
The paper quoted Battalion Commander, Major Shira, as saying that her division had been called up for “classified” special missions in Gaza to support the forces of the Israeli army in the Strip.
“About three weeks ago, we received an order from the Caracal Battalion commander to form a team of the best and most professional female fighters, to carry out a special activity inside the Gaza Strip,” she said, adding that her battalion works alongside other combat forces and military intelligence and in cooperation with special units inside Gaza.
Major Shira explained that the battalion has already joined the ground forces and special units deep in the Gaza Strip.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 18:09 utc | 88

sean the leprechaun @84: “William Gruff@53…..you are confusing homosexuals with predators. There is a difference. Predators exists across the entire sexual spectrum, from male to female.”
Sure, but for a male predator to gain access to spaces otherwise restricted to females, it dramatically helps for them to pretend to be female.
If this really were some normally distributed phenomenon, why are there almost no women pretending to be men in order to gain access to men’s restrooms, men’s sports, etc? Indeed, practically all of the women pretending to be men still insist upon using women’s facilities, competing in women’s sports, and so on.
I would opine that the difference between your two categories is not so large as you might have convinced yourself. In fact, I would bet most predators have discovered the substantial benefits of doing their predating in drag.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 13 2023 18:13 utc | 89

“I find it quite ironic that a poster who has so much justified passion for the human rights of the poor Palestinians can, at the same time, deny the same sympathies to a homosexuals.”
Translation: “He made fun of me! That’s the same as trying to kill me!”
Kinda melodramatic and over-the-top, no?
This is why you fags are in the forefront of the West’s charge into delusion, right behind the trannies, which I suppose is a position you’re happy with.
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 13 2023 17:54 utc | 86
Mr. Gruff you neither know me, nor my sexuality; yet you, mysteriously, label me a ‘fag’. Strange. However, the vacuity of your argument and your concurrent virulent antagonism towards myself and other ‘so called fags’ leads me to understand your where you are emotionally.
In my opinion, you are a ‘poster boy’ for latent homosexuality’s projection unto the ‘other’; Freud called it ,’an ego defense mechanism’-ie it is your futile attempt to bolster your obviously frail ego with senseless ad hominen attacks onto others.
When, quintessentially, sadly, you are merely attacking yourself as you are diminishing your stature as a respectful human.
Have a good afternoon.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 13 2023 18:20 utc | 90

Lavrov made his annual appearance at the Federation Council’s Government Hour today to inform it and provide answers to its questions. In the process, Lavrov has detailed Russia’s Palestine policy microscopically, and added to it during the short presser that followed. Of course, the meeting discussed many other aspects of Russian policy, but most time was devoted to Palestine. I highly encourage concerned barflies to take the time to examine all of what Lavrov had to say on the issue before adding further conjecture as to what they think Russia’s position might be. That can be done here, “Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s Remarks and Q&A at the Federation Council’s Government Hour and Short Presser”.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2023 18:21 utc | 91

hey guys
Is there an open thread to discuss the gender debate?
this discussion feels very wrong here
🙁

Posted by: ld | Dec 13 2023 18:21 utc | 92

Happy Hanukkah folks! That special celebration of lights celebrating the rededication of the Temple in Jerusalem. (The one that the Romans took down in 70AD ’cause they temple folk didn’t want to pay their taxes.) This year is particularly joyous as the local infidels are finally being genocided out of our holyland; not only in Gaza but also the West Bank. The glorious Israeli Defense Forces are putting on the event with lights and fireworks all over Gaza. Whose will are the following; that of the Lord, or some demented decendents of some temple priests who want their temple back? Didn’t anybody tell them somebody already put a temple up there on the mount. Grrr… Hey is not the worshiping an earthly temple, akin to worshiping a golden calf? Say, I just assume turn my holiday lighting off, crawl under my covers, and pray to God that this pathetic excersise of mammon worship somehow stops.

Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Dec 13 2023 18:29 utc | 93

Agreed ld. I also thought b expelled posters who personally attack others on any thread here.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 18:29 utc | 94

Israeli “thinking” is: we can do it because somebody else has done it. Like what the Allies did to Dresden or Hiroshima. Interestingly, George Soros goes even further to defend his actions: if I had not done somebody else would have. And yet Israeli politicians are very quick to accuse their critics of whataboutism.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 13 2023 18:34 utc | 95

The chosen ones! What a joke.
If this is God’s preference, give me Satan.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 13 2023 18:46 utc | 96

🇮🇱🇵🇸Israeli media: Disagreement in the war cabinet regarding the continuation of the military operation and negotiations with Hamas for the release of Israeli prisoners in the Gaza Strip.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/95499

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 13 2023 18:48 utc | 97

The IDF sponsored Telegram channel is disturbing in a Videodrome psy-op type of way – something that pushes deep down into an id deliberately dark, sadistic, and devoid of humanity. That this is the product of a professional armed forces rather than a twisted Incel project is appalling. The most base instincts are being triggered and encouraged.
Biden’s (non-public) call yesterday for a different government in Israel is rather unprecedented. Sullivan will be the next functionary to appear before Israel’s “war cabinet” in the next day or two. It may have just sunk in to the Americans that the rabid dog is fully off-leash and must be put down. The administration’s national security crew’s innate mediocrity has severely damaged the American “brand”, as their processing of events relies on narrow rigid frameworks with very little “big picture” analytical skill.
The 5 Eyes junior partner bloc has called for a ceasefire. Canada broke from US/UK policies favouring apartheid South Africa in the 1980s, when the optics of that untenable structure could no longer be maintained. Like Hamas, the ANC had been portrayed at that time as violent brutes who practiced atrocities such as “necklacing” etc, but that trope was already on the way out as the basic injustice on display was globally acknowledged. In part due to Canada’s efforts, the “west” was able to appear as the enlightened ones in disassembling apartheid while maintaining their interests (i.e. maintenance of capitalism). This move by the 5 Eyes group may reflect that, in the higher circles, a realization that the west’s position in West Asia may be seriously compromised by Israel’s insane tantrum is taking hold.

Posted by: jayc | Dec 13 2023 18:53 utc | 98

The author, and resource, have a point there may be light in the tunnel:
If the State of Palestine were to follow up on this overwhelming General Assembly vote by applying to the Security Council for a status upgrade from non-member observer state to full member state and if the United States were to veto that application, could the same issue be brought to the General Assembly under the “Uniting for Peace” resolution, with the result of that vote being treated by the UN secretariat, guided by a Secretary-General who is clearly not suffering Israeli defiance, extaordinary public rudeness and personal insults gladly, as binding?
American international law professor Francis Boyle thinks that this could and should be possible (“>https://accuracy.org/release/palestinian-un-bid-and-uniting-for-peace).
https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/12/13/what-next-after-the-general-assembly-vote/

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 13 2023 19:00 utc | 99

hey guys
Is there an open thread to discuss the gender debate?
this discussion feels very wrong here
🙁
Posted by: ld | Dec 13 2023 18:21 utc | 93
Christmas on the Blog
the lonely souls stretch their minds,
some are quite smart, some are unkind.
There is this little man called gruff,
whom secretly desires to have it rough;
In the digital world he acts very tough,
yet he would find find himself hiding under a truck,
if he ever saw the large prospector named Canuk.
Canuk can follow a scent and would find out gruff.
gruff his hand outstretched, cries “please enough!”
Canuk looks down and noticed that gruff’s pants were stained,
gruff shaking arms, weeping red eyes his voice was constrained.
Canuk heard a peep, the sound was not very deep,
Something about he hadn’t for days been able to sleep,
When he mistakenly called Canuk a homosexual creep:
gruff got to his feet he bowed to Canuk very steep
Canuk sighed, then laughed, “Who’s the fag now?”
End of Subject

Posted by: canuck | Dec 13 2023 19:04 utc | 100

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