I hope MbS and MbZ realize that no matter how hard they try to be a partner of Israel,
Posted by: pq | Dec 11 2023 10:17 utc | 202
I don’t know why it is but commenters always maintain that Saudi is trying to be a partner of Israel. It is not the case. They have never signed (unlike UAE), and will not now. It is only the Israeli and US propaganda narrative – Trump’s pressure and strong Israeli desire – not the actual fact. MbS may have wanted it, but opînion in the country wouldn’t permit.

Posted by: laguerre | Dec 11 2023 10:41 utc | 203

Truth has strange way of revealing itself. The war criminals in the IsraHELLi cabinet thought they could hide the true casualties that their terrorist army suffered. Well, IsraHELLI journalists are revealing it to the pointy where some of them lose their jobs.
https://x.com/Russianowarabic/status/1734107008951791618?s=20
“Journalist Ariel Shimon, expelled from Yedioth Ahronoth: The real number of losses is three times greater than what was announced. More than 250 soldiers and officers were 100% blinded, and more than 500 vehicles were destroyed, including tracked vehicles, artillery, armored vehicles, a bulldozer, and a Hummer, and the death toll was 3,850 soldiers and officers and a number of others. 7,000 soldiers were wounded, including 3,700 who suffered disabilities.
Israeli journalists provide very different numbers than the idf

Posted by: Hankster | Dec 11 2023 10:48 utc | 205

176
Question RE:
The “40 beheaded israeli babies” claim:
While the claim of “beheaded babies” has been shown to be a media lie created by the IDF, injected into the MSM by i24News and propagated by Western MS like CNN, British Tabloids and then confirmed by IDF spokesman and Biden himself, I have no idea how the number “40” entered the psychotoxin mix:
Does anyone know where the number 40 came from exactly and at which point it entered the narrative?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2023 3:37 utc | 177

The Great Flood: it rained 40 days and 40 nights.
Exodus: the Hebrews wandered in the desert for 40 years.
Gospels: Jesus fasted in the wilderness for 40 days.
We need to ask a Kabalist: what is the numerological significance of 40? The letter מ meym “m” is 40. מֵים meym is water. How else to respond to “Al-Aqsa Flood” ?

Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 11 2023 10:57 utc | 207

We need to ask a Kabalist: what is the numerological significance of 40? The letter מ meym “m” is 40. מֵים meym is water. How else to respond to “Al-Aqsa Flood” ?
Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 11 2023 10:57 utc | 207
That’s very interesting indeed. Now if we could just pinpoint which news agent injected that particular modification into the narrative at what time …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2023 11:10 utc | 209

Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2023 3:37 utc | 177
I have no idea how the number “40” entered the psychotoxin mix
Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves, and, you know, one thief for each year of “desert wandering”.
So watch out for the chief thief and his forty “haramees”. One day they will even steal your ears and claim they were chosen to create them in the first place – like God Himself.
Why are you so surprised ? They stole kidneys did they not ? (Arab Woman Blues)

Posted by: john | Dec 11 2023 11:16 utc | 211

Today from Middle east Eye:
Italy, France and Germany called on the European Union to impose ad hoc sanctions against Hamas and its supporters, the foreign ministers of the three nations wrote in a joint letter to the EU’s foreign policy chief Josep Borrell.
“We express our full support for the … proposal to create an ad hoc sanctions regime against Hamas and its supporters,” said the letter seen by Reuters.
“The swift adoption of this sanctions regime will enable us to send a strong political message about the European Union’s commitment against Hamas and our solidarity with Israel,” the letter said.

Posted by: JB | Dec 11 2023 11:27 utc | 213

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 11 2023 11:21 utc | 212

This is second name-calling, first time it was “clown”. Even he is using “gulf” instead of “Persian Gulf”, I find lots of sense and rational thinking in his inputs.
Dear Peter, the apple on the tree is not red because Putin, Xi or MbS wanted it to be red.

Posted by: Framarz | Dec 11 2023 11:33 utc | 215

Posted by: pq | Dec 11 2023 10:54 utc | 206
MbS was speaking to Fox: that’s why he seemed to be conforming to American policy. It’s what you do when you are speaking to a particular geographic audience; you use the language that suits them.
If you haven’t seen the text of the UNGA resolution, then you don’t know what’s in it. The SC failed resolution was managed by UAE, and voted against by the US. Presumably the General Assembly resolution will say the same.

Posted by: laguerre | Dec 11 2023 11:34 utc | 217

Framarz | Dec 11 2023 11:33 utc | 215
So many knee jerking keyboard jockeys and other assorted fools like yourself it is difficult at times to tell the difference between trolls and fools. At the current moment I have no time for fools.
It is good to come here and read intelligent comments and assorted links but knee jerking clowns are coming in thick and fast.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 11 2023 11:51 utc | 219

Peter AU1 196
I am a humble electrician. Sometimes I get to see the rat infested top side of the snazzy Muslim shop ceilings.
Sometimes I get to see the bijou desres the Muslims actually live in , and I price the work reasonably. But they never give me any work because I’m not one of their people.
They don’t understand the Qur’an, which tells them to present a welcoming face to non- Muslims living in their own non-Muslim country. Not to spy on us , and teach their children we are child-molesters. Not to imitate our wrong ways but to teach us their unique islamic understanding of Islam.
All South Asians assume that English people are immensely rich, and spent our youths shagging and partying, boozing and bullying foreigners. This projection enables them to maintain a wall of racism against British people, in spite of their enjoying all the benefits of our welfare state. Their sense of entitlement is really as shocking as the Israelis sense of entitlement to Palestinian land.
The British Raj used some locals to whom they gave privileges to work against their own people. This is standard colonialism. But they don’t think that they as British citizens are responsible for the actions of BoJo. Why do they blame us Brits for the actions of the British Raj?
The Zionists go back even farther to the Bronze Age to justify their racism against Palestinians. This racism must stop, here in Britain ard now in Israel.
Racism eventually turns to genocide.
If that’s whacko, let me tell you , I once was repairing an ancient tome by Martin Luther, my Protestant , Calvinistic hero. His work is saturated with rage against Jews. So I’m thinking how can it be that if our ‘ Enlightenment ‘ creates Nazism. maybe the arrival of Islam to Europe is creating racism. These Muslims can’t just do what they like . They have to follow Islam themselves, be nice , and show a good example of Islam to non-Muslims.
That’s the command of the Qur’an.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 11 2023 12:20 utc | 221

RE: pq | Dec 11 2023 10:54 utc | 206
laguerre | Dec 11 2023 11:34 utc | 217
ALL OTHERS INTERESTED IN TUESDAY DEC 12
UNGA SPECIAL SESSION:
Link to 3 page resolution here:
https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/LTD/N23/319/20/PDF/N2331920.pdf?OpenElement
All 3 pages very interesting. Quite a coalition of sponsors (way more than I imagined)
A couple of highlights:
(Note: Resolutions “wording”… “calls for” “stresses” “acknowledges” “resolves” …
I saw only 2 “demands”…
2. “Demands that all parties immediately and fully comply with their obligations under international law, including international humanitarian law and international human rights law, particularly in regard to the protection of civilians and civilian objects, as well as the protection of humanitarian personnel, persons hors de combat, and humanitarian facilities and assets, and to enable and facilitate humanitarian access for essential supplies and services to reach all civilians in need in the Gaza Strip;
3. Also demands the immediate, continuous, sufficient and unhindered provision of essential goods and services to civilians throughout the Gaza Strip, including but not limited to water, food, medical supplies, fuel and electricity, stressing the imperative, under international humanitarian law, of ensuring that civilians are not deprived of objects indispensable to their survival;“
Another interesting one:
6. “Firmly rejects any attempts at the forced transfer of the Palestinian civilian population;”
7. “Calls for the immediate and unconditional release of all civilians who are being illegally held captive, demanding their safety, well-being and humane treatment in compliance with international law;”
(NOTE: civilians by Hamas or Israel “illegally” being held captive)
Truth is, it’s a hard hitting resolution.. that granted will probably go no where… but well written.
Quite the Co-Sponsers:
ccupied Palestinian Territory
A/ES-10/L.25
Distr.: Limited
26 October 2023 Original: English
Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belize, Bolivia (Plurinational State of), Botswana, Brunei Darussalam, Comoros, Cuba, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Djibouti, Egypt, El Salvador, Indonesia, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Morocco, Namibia, Nicaragua, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Russian Federation, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Somalia, South Africa, Sudan, Türkiye, United Arab Emirates, Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of), Yemen, Zimbabwe and State of Palestine:
* draft resolution
“Protection of civilians and upholding legal and humanitarian obligations”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 11 2023 12:53 utc | 223

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 11 2023 12:20 utc | 221
Easier said than done.
British raj scars as in subordinate treatment do not vanish easily. New arrivals and even visitors have been made to feel the less than welcoming attitude. They are there for economic reasons so integration maybe outside their comfort zone. However, that is not a reason to not comply with their faith’s commandments.It also takes two to tango. You can help educate them in what they are missing. The response may surprise you.

Posted by: sal | Dec 11 2023 13:13 utc | 225

leakingboat 222
Exactly. The atrocities which the Israelis US and Britain prepared for months in advance of October 7 are all pre-meditated. Netanyahu, Biden and Johnson who still seems to be on charge, must all go immediately for their part in preparing these crimes.
A pernmanent ceasefire must start immediately, and sane, humane and responsible people must be put in charge of reparations to the victims of this long – prepared genocide.
Likud, Democrats and Tories must forfeit their right to political responsibility for at least a decade or until they have managed to purge their Parties of populist Nationalism, in Ukraine, Africa, Syria, Libya and Palestine.
A coalition of independent countries, independent from USUKIS, the perpetrators of this genocide, will supervise the authority of the UN completely irrespective of the wishes of the three countries whose governments have perpetrated these crimes.
genocide.
In addition , the accomplices to the crimes, Muslim Brotherhood, Keir Starmer who ousted Jeremy Corbyn, Trump ,Likud , Sunak, all the Empire2 Tories, will all be banned from public office for one decade, starting immediately, pending trial.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 11 2023 13:16 utc | 227

Giyane | Dec 11 2023 12:20 utc | 221
I looked into Christianity when I was younger. There was much in what Jesus preached, but as you, I saw much the same in the so called religion of Christianity. As DunGroanin put it some time back or something near it “People appear to have been made with a god shaped hole”.
I guess that is the need to have an all knowing father figure looking after them in uncertain times.
I was told the bible had to be ‘interpreted’. We are mammals and live and die the same as all mammals.There is no imaginary father figure. We can have empathy, honesty and integrity as humans, but if there is a god, and we look at the history of so called civilization, then that god can only be the god of war.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 11 2023 13:26 utc | 229

Giyane
Re the British, the empire on which the sun never sets. Much of the world has been carved up into the current recognized states by the westphalian empires. Portuguese, Spanish, French and British.
Most of ‘those others’ have good reason to distrust the British.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 11 2023 13:34 utc | 231

“Sounds like some sad conservative effort to blame Marxism for US imperialism and the Zionazis. Prove me wrong.”
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 10 2023 19:18 utc | 75
Exactly it is there raison d’être, their nose at the front of their face. Nothing more than a mental illness and a complete refusal to look in the mirror.
The whole world is becoming a right wing conservative fuck fest. When people start looking to the likes of Orban and the Argentina fraud for hope. You know it is all fucked up.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 11 2023 13:48 utc | 233

You know who solved it? Who stopped it?
China
Russia can run around all day and night, giving Israel cover, and bleating on about “terrorism”,
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 11 2023 11:34 utc | 216
You seem to have forgotten that it was Russian that stepped in and preserved the Syrian state.
Unlike China, Russia put blood and money on the line as well as strategic risk and did it for a decade.
It is China that is in fact all talk when it comes to the Middle East … When compared to Russia.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2023 14:18 utc | 235

Alastair Crooke today was mostly about his visit to Moscow. But about Palestine at the end. I liked the description of Israeli government policy as ‘eschatological’. They’re really going to go for the ‘final solution’, and attack Hizbullah as well. The end times must be coming. In the sense of the end of Israel. You can see why the Romans got fed up with them, and forced the Zealots to jump off the cliff at Masada. There’s no difference between the Zealots of AD 70, and the Israeli settler extremists of today, in power in Netanyahu’s govt.
Those of you who criticised him for being homophobic and transphobic are right. He complained about western governing elites trying to push gender-fluidity (which they are not doing). It’s just typical of a very conservative point of view, and no doubt why he gets on well with Napolitano. but his judgement on the Middle East is very acute, which is why we listen to him, if we do.

Posted by: laguerre | Dec 11 2023 14:31 utc | 237

RE: pq | Dec 11 2023 10:54 utc | 206
laguerre | Dec 11 2023 11:34 utc | 217
https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/LTD/N23/319/20/PDF/N2331920.pdf?OpenElement
This one seems to be from 26 Oct 2023. In the past I found it takes them a week AT LEAST to post it.

Posted by: pq | Dec 11 2023 14:40 utc | 239

laguerre 237
No. We mustn’t listen to our fathers who worshipped stones , idols and false gods.
Fuck the octogenarian fighting the causes of before two world wars, the Balfours and their imaginary Eempire. Fuck the Empire 2 Tories who imagine they can visit the Delphic oracle and chew laurel berries
We live in an age of Equal.opportunities, where even if the mostbpiousxand learned Muslims want to revive thecrevting practices of 1440 years ago, we must mot listen to our fathers about the world we live in. Their time thankfully is gone.
We must now address the problem.of our own age, a nuckear age, a Geneva Convention Age, a blessed age in which we actually have thectools to instruct Israel to desist, NOW, genocidibg the Palestinians.
It will head rapidly to Armaggeddon, and if that’s what they want, we have the right to stop them from liking something that will destroy their afterlife and the entire world. Isctherexanything more primitive and stone – age than embracing death on a pagan altar of their own fictions?
Fuck ’em. We have the tools. Lock up all the old , backward, Victorian farts.
Our beautiful world is nothing to do with their Emoires and hegemonies in a Nuclear weapons World.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 11 2023 14:51 utc | 241

Chris Hedges in tears.
Chris Hedges “The Genocide in Gaza”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ly6lfhOxTe0
Never heard a speech like it. Broke my heart into little pieces.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 11 2023 15:00 utc | 243

Posted by: laguerre | Dec 11 2023 15:05 utc | 244
what is the chain of reasoning that you follow to conclude I am a homophobe? I said nothing at all about the rights of homosexuals. my impression remains that western government are pushing gender fluidity issues, and they do that to justify foreign interventions. if you think that somehow makes me homophobic you are a fucking idiot.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 11 2023 15:12 utc | 245

We need to ask a Kabalist: what is the numerological significance of 40? The letter מ meym “m” is 40. מֵים meym is water. How else to respond to “Al-Aqsa Flood” ?
Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 11 2023 10:57 utc | 207
My 2 cents, the operation was apparently called “40 aleph”. 40 times 1 is 40, the letter meym is for “mot”, “death”. Somehow it is an allusion to the angel of death, Azrael.

Posted by: Tom | Dec 11 2023 15:22 utc | 247

Remember that time Assad invited China to join forces?
Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 11 2023 14:27 utc | 236
I have vague memories of it. Apparently China wasn’t into charity at the time and the payoff on Syria wasn’t worth the squeeze.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2023 15:35 utc | 249

Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 11 2023 10:57 utc | 207
Posted by: Tom | Dec 11 2023 15:22 utc | 247
I am learning much more about numerology than I ever intended!
But no closer to the mystery of where 40 entered the narrative.
Was it a specific article where the 40 was dropped into the page alongside the fateful phrase?
Was it an interview where the number “40” was mouthed alongside the words “beheaded babies”?
Where, when and by whom?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2023 15:43 utc | 251

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 11 2023 15:00 utc | 243
Yes, watched it earlier today. Powerful!
Hedges is a good man is a very good writer and no doubt wrote the speech himself.
Not much that most of us didn’t know but he’s been around and was not
just talking off the top of his head yet still conveyed strong emotion.
Hannibal doctrine @ about 40 min mark.
Thank you.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 11 2023 16:00 utc | 253

Arch Bungle 235 “… it was Russian that stepped in and preserved the Syrian state.”
@ pq 242 “That was because they did not want to lose their Mediterranean access at Latakia … that’s why they got involved.”
pq, you seem incapable of separating the small from the great. Russia and everyone else did not Syria to become another disaster like Libya. If Russia failed in its historic duty, then the American neocons would have worked down their list of 7 countries to be ruined. But then, after #7, Iran, would have been ruined, then there would be a #8: Russia. Most importantly, the Kremlin was fully aware of that. So no silliness about a seaport in Syria, okay ?

Posted by: JessDTruth | Dec 11 2023 16:18 utc | 255

….. the death toll was 3,850 soldiers and officers and a number of others. 7,000 soldiers were wounded, including 3,700 who suffered disabilities…..
This jives with the Blind Rage atrocities. When a occupation army is losing militarily; they typically lash out in murderous blind rage. It’s a pattern.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 11 2023 16:28 utc | 257

Maybe what those recently delivered 2000 Hellfire missiles are for:
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/78709

🇱🇧 The official Lebanese government and the Lebanese Armed Forces have received an ultimatum from Israel:
Israel will launch a ground operation in southern Lebanon if Hezbollah and other paramilitary forces are not withdrawn to UN Security Council-agreed positions within the next 48 hours.
Mutual Hezbollah and IDF strikes began simultaneously as the situation in the region escalated.

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 11 2023 16:35 utc | 259

So, Israel launched a chaotic bombing campaign and a ground assault(theater) to allow the riders of plague and famine to put Gaza under?
I first thought the world would not let them get away with it.
All human rights for all of us are ended. We have the right to die as if we never existed whenever someone more powerful decides it.
As all governments have become illegitimate, it is time to bind your ties with your tribes and family.

Posted by: BananaKilt | Dec 11 2023 16:50 utc | 261

People here need to understand that the Arab leaders were installed by the West precisely to deflect or neutralize any threat to Israel, while giving lip service at endless summits they always vote down any substantive action, like oil embargo or the far more effective de-dollarization of oil transactions.
Those leaders who were the exception to this rule were removed by the Neocons after 9/11, (Saddam, gaddafi, sudan) only Assad remains, weakened by a vicious civil war.
Waste of time waiting for them to do anything, they rely on the West to keep their thrones and protect them from their own people.
It is up to us to act here in the West, free to speak and act unlike those citizens, to engage in boycotts and protests.
Avoid spending money.with global multinationals, support small business, buy local, avoid the obvious Zionists supporting businesses like Starbucks, McDonald’s, Dell etc.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 11 2023 18:06 utc | 263

David Cohen | Dec 10 2023 15:12 utc | 8
*** However one pragmatic solution widely discussed by supporters of Isreal could involve the United States providing significant monetary aid to Egypt and Jordan to accommodate Gaza’s population. Relocating the Judea and Samaria population to Jordan, where a substantial part of the Palestinian population already resides, is a realistic approach and not a pipe dream like the one state or two state.***
How very “pragmatic”. A convenient way of allowing the Israelis to eradicate “Palestine” and “Palestinians”, while stealing all the Palestinian gas and oil for itself since — as the zionists would claim — its true owners would no longer exist.
Politicians and mass-media in “the West” would of course obligingly present the whole thing as Israel doing the Palestinians a favour.
As for the **significant monetary aid to Egypt and Jordan**, it would be a comparatively small amount paid from stolen oil and gas sales, and almost entirely to the corrupt (already bought puppet) fatcats ruling Jordan and Egypt.
Cost to Israel = zero.
How about the Israelis bugger off instead, if anywhere would be stupid enough to take them?
The zionists seem to own the USA already — so set up a new autonomous State there?

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 11 2023 19:58 utc | 265

Why ?
War crimes have no statute of limitations. Reparations ditto
Posted by: Exile | Dec 10 2023 14:42 utc | 6
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@ Exile | Dec 10 2023 14:42 utc | 6
Last I checked, it wasn’t a war crime for an anonymous commenter on a blog to suggest that people be repatriated for their own safety.
It’s merely delusionally unrealistic.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 10 2023 14:59 utc | 7

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Dec 11 2023 20:25 utc | 267

@abierno/117
‘Close textual reading of various UN documents indicates that at the time of the creation of Israel, Palestine was delineated as an independent state as well – this has been obfuscated by USUKISrael. Inquiring minds would suggest that the aforementioned organizations will as an aggregate insist that, when the status of Gaza is being worked out, they have seats at the table for their representatives and also present in the decision making, the elected governmental representatives of Gaza which happens to be Hamas. Gaza is not an entity to be “disposed of” at the whim of Israeli security – The well defined end goal which none dare speak of is the emergence of an independent Palestinian state, to include the West Bank, represented by their government which was elected in free and fair elections. When Gaza is a free and independent political entity – BRICS countries and others will 1)enroll Palestine as member in BRICS+, GCC and SCO to assure mutual protection from UKUSIS 2) create in concert with the International Developmental Bank a completely organized financial and banking system using their own currency 3) immediately address in temporary form – field hospitals, schools and most important housing. None of which need pass through Israeli scrutiny. All of this is USUKIS worst nightmare – not that Palestine seeks to respond to Israeli massacres with in-kind violence – but enlisting their brightest and best, from all over the world, to engage in creating a country which will rival Shanghai and Hong Kong. Revenge is a dish best served cold.’ end quote
Thank you for your posts abierno, I have been carefully following your writings since quite a few threads back, you were the first to let us know about the pipeline planned to supply EU, the ‘Ben Gurion Channel’,the Leviathan fields etc. I believe, and other planned realestate developments where the Palestinians in Gaza were in the way of the bloody Israel plans.The entity without commodities wants and needs a final robbery to ensure its survival. The USA feed will not sustain them.
All fits in in this last of the battles of the hungry ‘collective waste’ (tm Dun Groanin, excellent ) for the resources which they are lacking. The victims are those residing above the resources.
Thank you to @Perimetr, @sln2002 and @pq ( measured and clever analysis of the failing legal construction of the UN abused by the west), to Framarz ( I read you with much interest, it shows that you come from the old civilization, I respect it).
@ Exile ( ehh, I appreciate your nobility and eagerness to inform us and encourage us against the despair in the face of this evil, your soul is pure, SFSN),, @Love Donbadss, @ bevin, , @rosross, all…
I am a Slav. As such, I think I can understand Putin maybe better then you who have grown embraced and poisoned by the culture of the west.You need to read a lot of Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky to understand how we function and think, it is much different then you.
He is for me a true statesman as he has raised his beloved Rossia from the ashes of the 90ties when the ‘waste’ countries all congregated on the carcass of the USSR like carrions. ( smaller but equally disastrous process happened to my Yugoslavia, I now live in disgusting colony)
Never mind, Putin, as capable as he is, real statesman, needed time to understand how evil, convoluted and lying the west was. He truly believed in the cooperation between the states on equal and mutually beneficcient footing. It took him time to realize how devious, disgusting, shit is the so called west/waste part of the world. You from the waste part of the world never can understand it, and explain it by his desire to be accepted.Projection, and false
You are truly stupid and blind for thinking so.
We despise you and consider you stupid and uncultured.
Now he truly turned away, and is taking a good care of his people.
We clamor, helpless and desperate for Rossia help with this Naqba ( I truly hate all the west and EU now), it will take time.
Like they broke another proxy of the west, Ukraine, they will break the ‘carrier’ in the west asia. Slowly, not risking the nuclear war, the measure of the desperate and crazy, as you are fallin and falling and falling. Not much left to pluder, my dear waste countries.

Posted by: stranger | Dec 11 2023 21:19 utc | 269

Perimetr | Dec 10 2023 19:31 utc | 81 ….
There has always been too much of the, albeit veiled, WEF / Zionist sympathiser about Putin.
Why are the fake-russian Oligarchs still alive?
Why can Israeli aircraft still fire missiles at Damascus?
Why is the Russian central bank still under neoliberal control?

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 11 2023 23:01 utc | 271

Gee Eye Joe | Dec 10 2023 19:39 utc | 85….
Your “concern” for Palestinians is coincidentally akin to that expressed by another poster.
And it is pretty obvious which side he is really on.

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 11 2023 23:16 utc | 273

abierno | Dec 10 2023 21:20 utc | 117
*** Israel will emerge with defined boundaries, free to employ their racial purity policies within those boundaries – but never again will they be allowed untrammeled killing.***
Yes they will, because the puppet governments of Western/NATO countries will intensify their legislation against so-called “anti-semitism” to such an extent that no disapproval of, criticism, or negative reporting of, further such megalomanic activities — even if within the Western/NATO countries themselves — will be permitted at all.
Total censorship.
As for ‘defined boundaries’ … guess who will get to set them?

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 11 2023 23:51 utc | 275

bevin | Dec 11 2023 2:32 utc | 170
*** So Hitler was not a Nationalist in the sense that he sacrificed the national interests of the German people- so oppressed by Versailles-in order to please reactionary junkers, ideological industrialists and American capitalists and financiers.(All of whom supported his party -that’s politics under capitalism. The demagogue as creature of a ruling class.)
For the people who brought Hitler to power hated Communism. And not because of the alleged atrocities spotted from glasshouses- the only real ones of which took place in the mid to late 1930s- but because it threatened their hoarded riches.***
The real National Socialists lost the 1930s war within the NSDAP.
Otto Strasser, an artillery officer in WW1, detested the junkers and wanted a de-militarised Germany to be co-operative friends with the Soviet Union.
Goebbels — who despite being a leading element in the Hitler faction seems to have originally agreed more with the Strassers at least on economics — was, according to his diaries, upset and annoyed that Hitler did not attend the funeral of Horst Wessel (second in command of the Berlin SA, murdered by an SDP hit-squad).
With the SA and Strasser faction destroyed (Gregor Strasser was killed while under arrest, and Otto escaped to Bohemia) the NSDAP discarded most of its socialist and nationalist aspects … as can be seen if you compare its 1933 economic manifesto with that of 1939.
Incidentally, unlike Hitler and the rest of that victorious faction, Otto Strasser’s side was only known to have been supported financially by one industrialist — the Jewish owner of a medium-sized light engineering company.

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 12 2023 1:14 utc | 277

sal 225
Thanks for your reply.
When Bani Israeel were told by Moses pbuh to enter the Ishmeelite city , they were ordered to ask for forgiveness because the Caananites were Muslim cousins who maybe had turned to idol worship.
All they needed was guidance.
When our Prophet (saw) entered Mecca he ordered only the ringleaders of the Idol worshippers to be killed. The Muslims were told to suppress their anger at past injustices and to fear Allah.
Are these two events not role models for Muslims living in the West? The Qur’an asks if the Muslims want to gain respect / wealth/ honour/ priveledge from the non-Muslims. The Muslim are here to educate a people whose past and present governments for centuries have banned Islam on pain of death. Assange leaked about US crimes in Iraq.
All respect is with Allah.
Lastly, given that Israel had one year’s advance knowledge of Hamas’ plans, is it not strange that the Zionist Boris Johnson disappeared in a puff of political smoke and mirrors, leaving an Indian PM holding the political baby of the Palestinian genocide?
Now that task has been completed, and Sunak has taken the flak, the Zionist wants his old job back. Could we have one bleat from the Muslim community please , that Socialism opposes on principle all Nationalism , including Zionism.
Leave Asian Nationalism and join our 200 year old British struggle against Capitalist Fascism, please. Otherwise the Muslim community is supporting colonialisman by default.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 12 2023 2:17 utc | 279

“Why are all the UN members except Yemen hiding behind the obvious US complicity and allegiance to Israel?
When will everyone else decide that it simply isn’t good enough to let a country (or two or three) stop everyone else from taking decisive action to end a genocide?………
When will they realize that they’re roughly two months late? Can they or will they ever be able to explain what they did during these two months?
The US supports the genocide and thus have their answers in that. Can we get anything but boilerplate statements or cheap words out of the rest? Why are they in effect by their lack of actions also supporting genocide?
Or maybe the genocide ended and nobody told me?
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 10 2023 20:16 utc | 99 ”
The UN should reform or remove the veto powers for the 5 permanent members. It iseems outdated and unfair. Unfortunately I cant see any of them giving up that power.

Posted by: Hue and Cry | Dec 12 2023 7:06 utc | 281

PeterAU1
We weren’t born with ” God holes “.
We are born with God consciousness which the Stasi Fascist medical profession are instructed to re-programme should our conciences make us uncomfortable

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 12 2023 7:29 utc | 283