@ Exile | Dec 10 2023 14:18 utc | 2
Why waste time on a purely academic question? “Israel” wants them all dead and Egypt would just as soon gun them down than let them cross the border. There are no (other) countries for them to flee to.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 10 2023 14:24 utc | 4

Why ?
War crimes have no statute of limitations. Reparations ditto

Posted by: Exile | Dec 10 2023 14:42 utc | 6

Israel cannot withdraw from Judea and Samaria, recognized by Palestinians as the West Bank, as it’s planned by the ruling Likud and its allies for settlement by Jewish communities.
This area is fundamental to the Jewish state. With 700,000 Jews already settled there, uprooting them is practically unfeasible. These facts are informally acknowledged by sympathetic officials at the US State Department and represent the majority view among Israeli Jews.
Transferring this land to Palestinians for their statehood is widely deemed implausible.
Designating Judea and Samaria as a separate state on the West Bank for Palestinians is seen as unattainable. The area is now fragmented with interspersed Jewish and Palestinian settlements, rendering the two-state settlement infeasible. Additionally, the one-state solution lacks viability, especially after October 7th, according to Israeli opinion polls.
From the start, a one-state solution was considered implausible, even without considering Gaza’s population. Enrolling the Palestinian population of Judea and Samaria as Israeli citizens would substantially change Israel’s demographic makeup, fundamentally altering the country’s nature. Israel was founded as a homeland and refuge for Jews worldwide, and integrating Palestinians would contradict this founding principle.
THERE CANNOT BE A TWO STATE SOLUTION
THERE CANNOT BE A ONE STATE SOLUTION
However one pragmatic solution widely discussed by supporters of Isreal could involve the United States providing significant monetary aid to Egypt and Jordan to accommodate Gaza’s population. Relocating the Judea and Samaria population to Jordan, where a substantial part of the Palestinian population already resides, is a realistic approach and not a pipe dream like the one state or two state.
The USA has allocated substantial aid to various countries, such as Ukraine. Even if the US and contributions from NATO and wealthy Arab countries provided a trillion dollars to Egypt and Jordan, it could be a reasonable amount to finally resolve the Palestinian issue. Some funds should be used to construct a border wall and a no man’s land to prevent infiltration into Israel and thwart future terror attacks like October 7th (Israel’s own 9/11).
This post like my previous one, might provoke discomfort, but these are the ground realities. This pragmatic approach is crucial to address the Palestinian question. Palestinians deserve their happiness, regardless of their birthplace. Let’s unite to provide them with a new place to settle.

Posted by: David Cohen | Dec 10 2023 15:12 utc | 8

David Cohen -8
I agree with you is that there cannot be a two-state solution. That shipped sailed long ago, thanks to Israeli deceptions and belligerence. There can only be one apartheid free state with an Arab majority.
Gideon Levy makes this case eloquently at the Oxford Union debates.
https://youtu.be/a5zw3Yz-yas?si=g2uDFVQnD0qhn-mC

Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 10 2023 15:24 utc | 10

David Cohen – 8
One apartheid-free state after a war crimes tribunal with public hangings, followed by a truth and reconciliatory process. South Africa should be the lead UN member in guiding this process.

Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 10 2023 15:29 utc | 12

@13,
So basically because 700.000 Jews are now settled for some reason in Samaria & Judea, means that more Palestinians that leave in West Bank become some other countries problem? Do you realise that that close to 3 milion people leave in West Bank which is more than those 700.000 Jews? Why should they leave and not the other way around? I like the fact that you even mention that somehow the USA needs to provide money to Egypt or Jordan to keep those people?
How long do you think USA needs to fork the money for those people? 5-10 years? Why does USA need to do it and not Israel?

Posted by: JamesBond | Dec 10 2023 15:39 utc | 14

To add to my previous post no political party will survive in Isreal if it agrees to the removal of 700,000 settlers from our Judea and Samaria Area, these are god fearing people who came to Isreal out of loyalty to their homeland and religious conviction, they have supported Isreal from the outside, without them Isreal would not have survived.
Even if the IDF was left there to protect the settlements, can Isreal really trust Palestinians after the horrors of October 7th. Can the settlers trust their Palestinian neighbours?
and?
who cares about Israel and their elections?
theft and murder and hate is their ‘religion’
They moved there on someone else’s property
Remove all settlers period!

Posted by: ld | Dec 10 2023 15:43 utc | 16

All the settlers/squatters need to do is pay for the houses and farms they took plus 70+ years of back rent – then they can stay.
The Israeli Central Bank has some $200 billion of assets which can start to fund the payments. It’s also certain that Israeli citizen billionaires such as Larry Ellison would surely help pony up to help the settlers gain clear title to the property in question.
UNR 194 and UNSC 2334 lay the groundwork for such a peaceful resolution

Posted by: Exile | Dec 10 2023 15:54 utc | 18

D Cohen 8
“Uprooting 700,000 Zionist settlers from the West Bank is impractical.”
Why???
2.3 million Palestinians have just been “uprooted” in Gaza as a result of the Zionist Genocide.
However, one pragmatic solution would be to relocate these 700,000 to New York, where the Jewish population is so huge that an extra 700,000 would hardly be noticed. This could be done with generous aid from Biden, who has unlimited money to fund Zionist genocide and Ukrainian Nazis. This would be a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of the 50,000 tons of US bombs supplied completely free of charge to murder Palestinian children.
This could finally settle the Zionist issue. Let’s unite to provide them with a place to settle.
A one state solution is not possible. Palestine is earmarked for the Palestinian people. The Zionists are not wanted there. Palestinians cannot accept them as neighbours after 75 years of genocide, terror, oppression, racism and apartheid. A two state solution is implausible for the same reason.
Let’s relocate these people to where they will be happy among their New York Jewish brethren and finally lay the issue to rest.
Who could possibly object to that?
New York can take them all in.

Posted by: anon | Dec 10 2023 16:00 utc | 20

@ those barflies interested in what is going on at all of the resistance fronts,
I find ‘West Asia front’ thread ( in the hearty saloon/forum of the globalsouth.co ) excellent source. many links, articles etc…It is Amarynth’s ( ex Saker) website, good quality, right perspecive.You can go backwards, toward the very beginning of this Naqba, much to read. Some of it translated from arabic, you will maybe have to get used to a sophisticated, much adorned language and way of expression.
@ Exile
Thank you for your comments & I replied to you, regarding the third video on the resistance from El Mayadeen, in the now oldish thread about the asssasinated poet, the lovely Refaat.
SFSN

Posted by: stranger | Dec 10 2023 16:07 utc | 22

Let’s relocate these people to where they will be happy among their New York Jewish brethren and finally lay the issue to rest.
Who could possibly object to that?
New York can take them all in.
Posted by: anon | Dec 10 2023 16:00 utc | 20
Fun idea, but they’d immediately be in a blood feud with the surrounding homeless population and the Dems would have to genocide them too.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 10 2023 16:12 utc | 24

To clarify – As the occupying power it’s the responsibility of the Likud Gov’t to protect, feed, and house Arab refugees fleeing Gaza. Following International Law the Likud would set up safe zones in areas such as Jaffa, Beersheba, and Deir Yassin far away from the battle zone. Transport would also be provided.
Those advocating for refugees to relocate to countries other than Israel are advocating violations of international law.
Posted by: Exile | Dec 10 2023 14:18 utc | 2

Thanks, in the ongoing propaganda war, you deliver the right ammunition at the right moment.

Posted by: Framarz | Dec 10 2023 16:15 utc | 26

This post like my previous one, might provoke discomfort, but these are the ground realities. This pragmatic approach is crucial to address the Palestinian question. Palestinians deserve their happiness, regardless of their birthplace. Let’s unite to provide them with a new place to settle.
Posted by: David Cohen | Dec 10 2023 15:12 utc | 8

Your entire post is rests on a single premise:

That the Palestinians as a people are inferior to the ‘Israeli People’ before Morality, Justice, Western Law and therefore the rights of the Jews supersede those of the Palestinians.

It is a truly “racist” premise and this is why your entire chain of reasoning is defective according to all accepted systems of law, justice and ethics accepted by the modern world (represented nominally by those who’ve accepted the UN charter).

The system of ethics your have used to develop your conclusions is essentially alien to the modern world. It is a throwback to an older time before Logic, Reason and Scientific Enlightenment became the foundation of the modern order.

There is no place in the present nor in a future more enlightened, more humane world for your kind of thinking, simply because it is obsolete, primitive, unable to deal with the increasing complexities of advancing human civilization.

It represents the last dying convulsions of a near extinct breed of nominally human dinosaurs.

Even if the Jewish Zionists should prevail in the Gaza strip, with the Palestinians an unfortunate casualty of this primitve beast’s death throes, it is but a milestone along the way to a fast-approaching extinction.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 10 2023 16:20 utc | 28

Gaza war map. In north gaza/Gaza city IDF is clearly cutting off a section at the north and a section at the south.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=es&mid=1SrPdIEnbc9pLZIL_nD02rfOGiUuAboc&ll=31.52003132591741%2C34.47130516987142&z=13
In south Gaza Israel is clearly biting out/isolating a section there.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=es&mid=1SrPdIEnbc9pLZIL_nD02rfOGiUuAboc&ll=31.357671389211767%2C34.3509086715005&z=13
That is the surface where US/IDF are conducting genocide on the civilian population. I have no idea how the war is progressing underground, but judging by a few videos from the resistance that I have seen, Israel is taking far heavier losses than it is admitting to. Israel is pumping sea water into the tunnels, but I would assume some form of flood protection has been built into the tunnel system.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 10 2023 16:44 utc | 30

As a fresh example: “Putin Reaffirms Rejection, Condemnation of Terrorism in Call With Netanyahu” (Sputnikglobe 20231210).
By their continued inaction and lip service to Israeli narratives about “terrorists” does one have to assume that, or interpret this as, Putin and Russia being 100% captured by the zionists?
Is this why everyone is so quiet? No one wants to go against both Russia and the US at the same time?
Is Russia only twenty years behind the US in not realizing what they’re doing?
Or… let’s try to find some slightly kinder interpretation; maybe Russia doesn’t want to fight zionist-sponsored nazis (ex-Ukraine) and nazi-inspired zionists (Israel) at the same time?
But that still doesn’t explain why it looks like they are doing their best US “wingman” impression in service of Israel. Were they perhaps flying all over the middle east in order to cover Israel’s back now that no one sane speaks with the US?
Come on, spill the beans Russia, tell us why we should believe otherwise. Please.
Tell us how the genocide will be stopped before it is too late. If it isn’t already; will that be the excuse? A self-fulfilling prophecy? Or is that next week’s news? Or later as a global christmas present and “back to normal”? Next month? Maybe when it becomes three months of genocide just in time for the Russian christmas (that’s on the 7th of January isn’t it?) Perfect timing (heavy sarcasm).
All the other countries are encouraged to also explain their (non-)choices. I have not heard anything of the sort from anybody, only mumbled non-answers about “avoiding regional war” and “calling for ceasefires” (calling! Well I call for me becoming a gazillionaire, so what? Everyone in the world could agree that I should become one and it still wouldn’t mean that it would happen, only that they called for it).
The geopolitics are cheap and transparent in all the wrong ways. There will be more of this as the genocide progresses and spreads and in the end there will be nothing left.
Disgusting.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 10 2023 16:57 utc | 32

The one state of two state solutions will never happen, we must all wake up to this reality
Posted by: David Cohen | Dec 10 2023 15:32 utc | 13

To be honest, you not only missed your wake up call but also sleep talking. Realize what you lost, “most sophisticated intelligence”, “most powerful army”, “best functioning economy”, “only democracy” …
When Hassan Nasrollah said “Zionist regime is just like spider’s web”, no one believed him, but now, look what 30k fighters equipped with homemade weapons are doing to you.
While you sleep talking, your neighborhood is voting with their feet. At the end there will be only one state but not the one in your dreams.

Posted by: Framarz | Dec 10 2023 16:57 utc | 34

Gaza war map. In north gaza/Gaza city IDF is clearly cutting off a section at the north and a section at the south.
In south Gaza Israel is clearly biting out/isolating a section there.
That is the surface where US/IDF are conducting genocide on the civilian population.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 10 2023 16:44 utc | 30

I have no idea how the war is progressing underground, but judging by a few videos from the resistance that I have seen, Israel is taking far heavier losses than it is admitting to.

I estimated the other day that the casualty right is at around 8000 – 9000 right now. M.E Eye placed the estimate at 5000 yesterday.

Israel is pumping sea water into the tunnels, but I would assume some form of flood protection has been built into the tunnel system.

Even without flood protection, one can’t just pump water into a tunnel network and expect it to go all the way:
– The Sea Tides will cause massive variations in pressure the pumps need to deal with getting water into the tunnels.
– Air pockets will form and prevent movement – even in a big tunnel. Where the tunnels are small, this will be more pronounced and once the water is stuck it’s an entire maintenance operation to unblock it – and where in the tunnel is another question.
– Cracks and soak points will bleed water off along the tunnels way faster than the pumps can get them in
– IDF working at cross purposes closing some tunnels with bombs and trying to flood other interconnected ones will just result in the IDF pumping water into dead ends.
– I wonder where they’re getting all the electricity/fuel to carry out this massive industrial scale pumping operation?
– HAMAS would surely have included flood protection for the tunnels, e.g having tunnels connected to independent drainage, or even the Gaza sewer system and ancient Roman era tunnels. The IDF likely find themselves cycling water right back into the sea a lot of the time.
Frankly I think this whole water pumping thing is a crock.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 10 2023 17:02 utc | 36

@Honzo | Dec 10 2023 16:57 utc | 33

In principle, yes, but which ancestral homelands? Germany- absolutely. Poland- yes. France? Sure thing. But Ukraine? No. Russia has enough nazis to deal with, and Ukraine is Russia.

There is always the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 10 2023 17:14 utc | 38

Hehehe…..inbred, explains much……hehehe…..pussy cat

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 10 2023 17:20 utc | 40

Stranger – great find ! Barflies check out this article and video on a 90km missle that Hamas is building in the tunnels
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/al-qassam-unveils-m-90-rocket-following-3-barrages-on–tel-a
SFSN

Posted by: Exile | Dec 10 2023 17:23 utc | 42

“This [the West Bank] area is fundamental to the Jewish state. With 700,000 Jews already settled there, uprooting them is practically unfeasible”
Posted by: David Cohen | Dec 10 2023 15:12 utc | 8
“Unfeasible”; that’s funny in the Nakba in 1947-48 750,000 Palestinians were “uprooted’.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 10 2023 17:32 utc | 44

LONDON SUNDAY TIMES TODAY: Palestinian protests in UK cost police up to £20m
The bill will rise further as campaigners plan more demonstrations in the new year
GOOD TO SEE OUR TAXES BEING WELL SPENT FOR ONCE.
Oh, I like this: ‘The cost of policing the protests, which take place every weekend, is already estimated to be more than three times greater than the £6 million cost of safeguarding the wedding of the Prince and Princess of Wales in 2011’.
“It’s not just the cost of overtime you have to consider; it’s the cost of putting officers up in hotels at four days’ notice and feeding them three meals a day,” O’Callaghan said.
Ben Jamal, the campaign’s director, said: “Protest is not a gift from the state. It is a fundamental right that is central to the functioning of a true democracy.

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Dec 10 2023 17:36 utc | 46

GOOD TO SEE OUR TAXES BEING WELL SPENT FOR ONCE.
Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Dec 10 2023 17:36 utc | 47
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If it is any consolation, the money isn’t real. It’s not based on anything scarce like time, labor, or resources.
What they are wasting is the credibility and longevity of the state, which all sane people should applaud. Remember, these are the same toads that were partying during COVID lockdowns.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 10 2023 17:42 utc | 48

Posted by: Exile | Dec 10 2023 17:38 utc | 48
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When it comes to casualties, the same methodology used in Ukraine (monitoring funerals and social media) will probably work as well.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 10 2023 17:43 utc | 50

Palestine no longer exists and neither will Palestinians soon—at least not in Israel.
Israel is and will always be a Jewish State.
Everyone in arab countries and the West who love Palestinian Terrorists so much should be happy because they’ll be moving to your countries soon!!!
Heheheh…
Posted by: Lion Of Judea | Dec 10 2023 17:17 utc | 40
Laugh while you can, sniveling inbred coward of Judea.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 10 2023 17:52 utc | 52

David Cohen is a Bot. It doesn’t respond to comments addressed to it’s mealy prose. It doesn’t recall Trump’s appealing to illegal facts on the ground with regard to Jerusalem. It doesn’t apologise for nuking Palestinians and innumerable other crimes.
There was a similar habitual hasbara bot at Craig Murray’s blog called Habbabkuk who specially enjoyed walrusing an incisive nurse called Mary. The more she burnished her caring and discerning credentials, the more he pressed his walrus flab rolls up her nose.
A bot is programmed to be annoying, even if it is a human being cancelling compassion and inventing fake facts on the ground. Blinken, Blair and Obama are all brainwashed bots, whose brains have been re-programmed.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 10 2023 17:58 utc | 54

Great article over at unz from Kevin Barett with this great insight on the origins of neoconservatism:

Myers’ schema helps explain why so many atheist Jews have “transitioned” from Trotskyite to neoconservative. Max Shpak wrote:
Perhaps even more significant a factor in the origins of neoconservatism was the emergence of an independent Israeli state. While many Jewish Marxists eagerly supported the Zionist state, the more intellectually consistent Left opposed Zionism on the grounds that all nationalisms, including Jewish ones, are enemies of global proletarian revolution. Thus, Jewish leftists who once advocated internationalism for gentile nations were forced to come to terms with the implications of this ideology for their own nationalist sentiments. Thus, they needed an ideology which would let them have their cake (opposing gentile nationalism) and eat it too (by supporting Israel), and they found just such a worldview with neoconservatism.
The neocons have inherited Trotsky’s project of destroying the nations, and the religions and families on which they are based, in hopes that utopia will emerge from the rubble. By posing as liberals — as in Kagan’s veiled call for Trump’s assassination on the pretext that Trump threatens liberal democracy — the neocons have succeeded in remaking what passes for liberalism in their own image.
No wonder today’s “liberalism” is totalitarian and genocidal.

It is not a new insight but obviously one that we can all agree upon. The Neo-Trotskyists in conjunction with the despicable evangelicals in their sinful eschatology, are those instrumental here. The Jews are obviously much smarter than the schismatic “christians” so it is obvious who is wagging the dog here.
And it brings us back to the thought that bevin put forth in a prior thread about how Jews were not ultimately to blame for this.
Well, yes and no. Surely, Christendom has lowered its guard and allowed this infiltration of those who can not help themselves but to go against the Universal and be a people set apart. But at the same time, something has to give and we need to be able to openly confront the Jewishness of this master plan empty of passions. By engaging reason, we can see what needs to be done so that these would-be enslavers of humanity are properly identified. With a cool hand, it can be done.
First, we need to call a spade a spade and quit worrying about their trash accusations of being Hitler or whatever.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 10 2023 18:00 utc | 56

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The few US Americans having any grasp of the obscene reality of US Foreign Policy are found here and a handful on twitter.
Otherwise, the majority of US Americans may be considered as brain dead as the President.
IOW, you really cannot have any serious conversation re: US hegemony and FP with any US American.
Soon, you find one thing or another – paranoia about China, Russia; an exaggerated POV wrt America’s “military superiority”. And so much more absolute idiocy.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Dec 10 2023 18:06 utc | 58

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 10 2023 17:52 utc | 53
all of the trolls on this and yesterday’s threads are AI/Bots
the purpose of these atrocious outrageous comments is to trigger a hateful retort
Others are more sophisticated Hasbara agents.
They infest threads pertaining to Israel and Jewish interests.
They act nice. Create common ground. Earn respect and credibility which they use to attack commenters they perceive as threats.
Pseudo intellectual types are here to derail threads with inconsequential sidetracking.
Religion/ Ancient History/ Philosophy etcetera etcetera
They watch commenters for their interests and passions and try to engage them.
the next thing you know, people are talking about anything but dead babies.
thoughts?
lol
a schmeckle is a potent weapon

Posted by: ld | Dec 10 2023 18:09 utc | 60

Me be it is for the only reason that this is the last place where all nations in the world can meet at once….but, to which avail? Only for showing the others the crimes of the criminals who hold veto power?
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 10 2023 18:09 utc | 60
When you put it that way it sounds like a kind of Geopolitical Alcoholics Anonymous …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 10 2023 18:11 utc | 62

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 10 2023 18:09 utc | 60
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Every failure of the UN burnishes the credibility of the alternatives for the Global South.
China and Russia are playing the long game, IMO.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 10 2023 18:12 utc | 64

I am reminded of this scene from the movie Gandhi, vis-a-vis, the collective West’s seared conscience:
Government advocate: Could I ask you what provision you made for the wounded?
Gen. Dyer: I was ready to help any who applied.
Government advocate: General, how does a child shot with a 303 Lee-Enfield “apply” for help?
Gen. Dyer: [silence]

Posted by: ICPtasking | Dec 10 2023 18:32 utc | 66

whirlX | Dec 10 2023 16:53 utc | 31
“by David Cohen | Dec 10 2023 15:12 utc | 8
THERE CANNOT BE A TWO STATE SOLUTION
THERE CANNOT BE A ONE STATE SOLUTION
What does that even mean?
I agree with the second yell, totally.
One state Israel is not the solution, but obviously a big problem.
Israel shouldn’t even be, as is.”
It means there can be only the Zionist state while the Palestinians cease to exist. The “second yell” you agree with is to reject any implication that going forward there should be a Zionist state which includes any provision whatsoever for the Palestinians’ very existence, let alone allowing them to be second-class citizens.
The Zionists have crossed their Rubicon and are determined to attain total victory or total self-destruction.
So in fact there can be only one solution, which is one state, 100% Palestinian or 100% Zionist, whereas “there cannot be a [shared] one state solution”.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Dec 10 2023 18:52 utc | 68

Zionist @8 says:
“Uprooting 700,000 Zionist settlers from the West Bank is impractical.”
Less impractical than the current campaign of genocide and attempted ethnic cleansing. All humanity needs is the force to drive all these land-stealing murderous criminals into truly unoccupied desert, maybe transport them to the interior of Antarctica or something. Then their wealthy compatriots all over the West, who claim such infinite solicitude for them, can use their wealth to set up some kind of minimal existence for them.
That’s not only morally right, unlike the obscenities you promulgate, but it’s far more practically doable than expecting countries who support the Palestinians to collaborate in this ethnic cleansing by taking their Zionist-designated place in the Zionist plan.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Dec 10 2023 18:56 utc | 70

Arch Bungle and Framarz thanks for the info.
I believe it is essential for Hamas to hold out and keep inflicting large losses on the Israeli’s in the coming months. Palestinian civilian losses will be large. So long as Hamas can hold out, with the attention of the world now focused on Palestine and Russia China leading the push for Palestinian statehood, they will win and largely bring an end to this 70 year plus bastion of anglo power and genocide in the middle east.
For American power since WWII, I guess Israel could be considered to be somewhat like Sevastopol is to Russia – a strategic point to be held and from which to project power. Perhaps not a good likeness but Israel importance for American power can be seen in the sheer numbers of American vetos at the UN. The Russia China joint statement was about destroying the US empire, the empire of lies.
Any othe power attempting military intervention in this bastion of US power would elicit similar response to if US/Nato directly attacked Sevastopol and total casualties in the region and likely further afield would be magnitudes greater than the genocide we now watch. All peoples that have fought the post WWII US empire have taken great civilian losses to do so. Korea Vietnam millions killed. Afghanistan, Syria, Donbass. Many more. I hope I live long enough to see the empire destroyed and all its willing helpers in the vassal states hung from bridges and lamp posts.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 10 2023 19:07 utc | 72

IDF casualties – it’s impossible to know with any certainty the extent of IDF casualties (KIA, WIA, MIA). Couple of points – WIA will be ~20x KIA, MIA will be nil if any (Hannibal Directive) . What is known is in such a fortress battle the attacker will usually suffer 10:1 casualties versus the defender; if if the attacker eventually prevails.
There is some evidence of IDF conscripts refusing the orders of their commanders and entire units mutinied. TBD
Posted by: Exile | Dec 10 2023 17:38 utc | 48
Not sure where you’re getting these figures, but they aren’t right. In Ukraine, forex, Russian casualties have been between 1/8 and 1/10 of Ukrainian casualties in the ‘fortress battles’ of Mariupol and Bakhmut. WIA/KIA are almost always between three and ten to one in modern war, with the exception being 13:1 for US Marines in Afghanistan, with superb medevac to first rate hospitals. Unless the IDF list as WIA every time they scrape an elbow, their WIA/KIA is probably somewhere around 10 to 1. Hamas, on the other hand, without medevac, no rear area, and now no hospitals, is probably closer to two to one.
A lot depends on strategic imperatives and the very specific correlation of forces in terms of arms and training, as well as raw number. Unless the US is really willing to shut them down, the Zionist can accomplish their major goal with almost zero casualties by destroying Gaza from the air and interdicting relief supplies from the air as well. Only the political optics of ‘destroying Hamas’ as opposed to ‘committing genocide’ push Israel to deploy ground troops into Gaza at all.

Posted by: Honzo | Dec 10 2023 19:14 utc | 74

They watch commenters for their interests and passions and try to engage them.
the next thing you know, people are talking about anything but dead babies.
thoughts?
lol
a schmeckle is a potent weapon
Posted by: ld | Dec 10 2023 18:09 utc | 60
Probably right, but just in case, it’s nice to remind them what bar they stepped into.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 10 2023 19:22 utc | 76

Strikes me that the HasBarfa and $ayanim are infesting this thread in full force today. The common theme is based on the overall agenda of Eretz Yisroel, the Yanon Plan. The idea is Judea from the Nile to the Euphrates, ultimately to be followed by the scheme of total world domination.
How these people can advocate and applaud out and out genocide and human blood-sacrifices upon their perceived enemies is beyond my comprehension. When Cabinet members of the regime can call the descendants of the ancient Hebrews, “human animals”, there’s no doubt in my mind that conscientious and righteous people right across the planet are left aghast at the brutality directed upon innocent women, children and elders…while numerous male victims are stripped to their undershorts in cold weather and then trucked off to unknown destinations where they may well be tortured and/or “disappeared”.
Has a viral and vicious form of “trans humanism” erupted amongst those genociders and land-stealers…people who justify their inhumanity by their Tribal WarGod’s dictums of them being his “Chosen” and all other humans having the status of cattle and dirt under feet?
Do these people have no sense of honor, of honesty, of compassion, of justice? Do they not realize that Lady Karma can transform into the goddess Kali…or do they laugh that off because of their “chosen-ness” and rank materialistic bottom-line “values”?

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 10 2023 19:24 utc | 78

David Cohen @8: “THERE CANNOT BE A ONE STATE SOLUTION”
Nonsense. The only things preventing this are zionist psychosis and egocentrisim. There absolutely can be a single state, it just cannot be theologically based. It will have to be a pluralist and secular state.
Interesting how zionist monsters are so opposed to a modern pluralist and secular state. They are so opposed they will gleefully commit genocide to prevent it.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 10 2023 19:31 utc | 80

However, one pragmatic solution would be to relocate these 700,000 to New York, where the Jewish population is so huge that an extra 700,000 would hardly be noticed. This could be done with generous aid from Biden, who has unlimited money to fund Zionist genocide and Ukrainian Nazis. This would be a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of the 50,000 tons of US bombs supplied completely free of charge to murder Palestinian children.
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Posted by: anon | Dec 10 2023 16:00 utc | 20
Much better to Montreal especially since many an Israeli speaks fluent French due to coming from North ex-French Africa.
For those who crave for the sun there is also Phoenix or Las Vegas.
Jewish population by metropolitan area
City Country Number
New York City[7] United States 1,600,000
Jerusalem[8] Israel 546,100
Los Angeles[6] United States 519,200
Tel Aviv[8] Israel 401,500
Chicago[6] United States 291,800
Paris[9] France 277,000
Boston[6] United States 248,000
Buenos Aires[10] Argentina 244,000
Rishon LeZiyyon[8] Israel 229,300
San Francisco[6] United States 227,800
Petah Tikva[8] Israel 220,900
Haifa[8] Israel 217,600
Washington, D.C.[6] United States 215,600
Philadelphia[6] United States 214,600
Ashdod[8] Israel 200,400
Netanya[8] Israel 196,300
Toronto[11] Canada 188,710
Be’er Sheva[8] Israel 181,000
Ramat Gan[12] Israel 175,000
Moscow[13] Russia 165,000
London[14] United Kingdom 160,000
Atlanta[6] United States 119,800
Miami[6] United States 119,000
Kyiv[15] Ukraine 111,000
San Diego[6] United States 100,000
Baltimore[16] United States 95,400
Montreal[11] Canada 90,780
Cleveland[17][18][19][20] United States 86,600
Denver[21] United States 83,900
Phoenix[22] United States 82,900
Las Vegas[23] United States 80,000
Budapest[24] Hungary 80,000
São Paulo[25] Brazil 75,000
Detroit[26] United States 71,750
Marseille[27] France 70,000
Minneapolis-St Paul[28] United States 64,800
Seattle[29] United States 63,400
Dnipro[15] Ukraine 60,000
Dallas[30] United States 57,800
Melbourne[31] Australia 55,643
St. Louis[32] United States 54,500
Tampa[33] United States 51,100
Sydney[34] Australia 50,000
Johannesburg[35] South Africa 50,000
Pittsburgh[36] United States 49,200
Houston[37] United States 48,400
Portland[38] United States 47,500
Odesa[15] Ukraine 45,000
Kharkiv[15] Ukraine 45,000
Saint Petersburg[13] Russia 40,000
Rio de Janeiro[39] Brazil 40,000
Mexico City[40] Mexico 39,777
Hartford[41] United States 34,500
New Haven[42] United States 29,700
Cincinnati[43] United States 27,000
Vancouver[44] Canada 26,255
Milwaukee[45] United States 25,800
Manchester[46] United Kingdom 25,000
Berlin[47] Germany 25,000
Lyon[48] France 25,000
Istanbul[49] Turkey 24,000
Toulouse[50][48] France 23,000
Tucson[51][52] United States 22,900
Rochester[53] United States 22,500
Columbus[54] United States 22,500
Montevideo[55] Uruguay 20,000
Amsterdam[56] Netherlands 20,000
Antwerp[57] Belgium 20,000
Brussels[58] Belgium 20,000
Nice[48] France 20,000
Kansas City[59] United States 19,000
Orlando[60] United States 19,000
Austin[61] United States 16,300
Strasbourg[62][48] France 16,000
Cape Town[35][63] South Africa 16,000
Porto Alegre[64] Brazil 15,000
Jacksonville[65] United States 15,000
Panama City[66] Panama 15,000
Providence[67] United States 14,200
Ottawa[11] Canada 14,010
Winnipeg[11] Canada 13,690
Rome[68] Italy 13,000
Buffalo[69] United States 13,000
San Antonio[70] United States 12,740
Richmond[71] United States 12,500
Albany[72] United States 12,500
Charlotte[6] United States 12,000
New Orleans[73] United States 12,000
Nashville[74] United States 11,000
Singapore[75] Singapore 10,500
Frankfurt[76] Germany 10,500
Indianapolis[77] United States 10,000
Munich[78] Germany 9,200
Córdoba[46] Argentina 9,000
Stockholm[79] Sweden 9,000
Louisville[80] United States 8,700
Calgary[11] Canada 8,335
Milan[68] Italy 8,000
Rosario[46] Argentina 8,000
Leeds[81] United Kingdom 8,000
Grenoble[48] France 8,000
Memphis[82] United States 7,800
Syracuse[83] United States 7,000
Vienna[84] Austria 7,000
Chapel Hill[6] United States 6,000
Raleigh[6] United States 6,000
Zurich[85] Switzerland 6,000
Edmonton[11] Canada 5,550
Birmingham[86] United States 5,300
Perth[87] Australia 5,187
Hamilton[88] Canada 5,110
Hong Kong[89] China 5,000
El Paso[90] United States 5,000
Madison[91] United States 5,000
Santa Fe[46] Argentina 5,000
Bogotá[92] Colombia 5,500
Minsk[93] Belarus 4,800
Metz[48] France 4,000
Nancy[48] France 4,000
Dayton[94] United States 4,000
Toledo[94] United States 3,900
Glasgow[95] United Kingdom 3,500
Youngstown[96] United States 3,200
Prague[97] Czech Republic 3,000
Greensboro[98] United States 3,000
Liverpool[99] United Kingdom 3,000
Victoria[88] Canada 2,740
Durban[35] South Africa 2,700
London[88] Canada 2,675
Chișinău[100] Moldova 2,649
Bucharest[101] Romania 2,481
Brisbane[102] Australia 2,195
Halifax[88] Canada 2,120
Kitchener-Waterloo[88] Canada 2,015
Curitiba[103] Brazil 1,774
Belo Horizonte[103] Brazil 1,714
Oshawa[104] Canada 1,670
Göteborg[105] Sweden 1,600
Windsor[88] Canada 1,515
İzmir[106] Turkey 1,500
Pretoria[35] South Africa 1,500
Barrie[104] Canada 1,445
Dublin[107] Ireland 1,439
St. Catharines-Niagara[104] Canada 1,375
Recife[108] Brazil 1,300
Helsinki[109] Finland 1,200
Montgomery[110] United States 1,200
Kingston[104] Canada 1,185
Brasília[111] Brazil 1,103
Kingston[88] Canada 1,100
Florence[68] Italy 1,000
Basel[112] Switzerland 1,000
Casablanca[113] Morocco 1,000
Asunción[114] Paraguay 1,000
Malmö[115] Sweden 1,000
Oslo[116] Norway 950
Guelph[104] Canada 925
Regina[104] Canada 900
Kelowna[104] Canada 900
Guadalajara[117] Mexico 900
Bratislava[118] Slovakia 800
Monterrey[119] Mexico 500

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Dec 10 2023 19:34 utc | 82

Hamas has likely stored 6-12 months of supplies in the 500km tunnel network . This tunnel network has hospitals, munitions workshops, barracks, as well as vast warehouses. It’s more akin to the Maginot Line than Mariupol.
Study the Tunnels of Chu chi and the Pentagon’s nearly decade long battle to neutralize this relatively primitive tunnel network.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 10 2023 19:37 utc | 84

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 10 2023 18:55 utc | 69
kan.org.il | Putin called Netanyahu, PM: “I have strongly criticized the relationship with Iran”, 10 Dec

[…]
“The prime minister stressed that any country that would have suffered a criminal terrorist attack like Israel experienced would have acted with no less force than Israel,” the statement said. “Netanyahu expressed appreciation for the Russian effort to free an Israeli citizen with Russian citizenship, and asked Russia to put pressure on the Red Cross [?!] to visit the hostages and deliver medicine.”
The Kremlin said of the call between the leaders that “at the center of it was the serious situation in Gaza. This includes the catastrophic humanitarian situation. Putin reiterated Russia’s principled stance condemning terrorism but at the same time the fight against terrorism must not have such dire consequences for the civilian population. Russia is ready to do its part to reduce suffering and calm the conflict.”
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said today at the Doha Forum, in the background of the conversation between Netanyahu and Putin: “It is unjustifiable to use the terrorist attack on Israel on October 7 as a justification for the collective punishment of the Palestinian people. The Hamas attack, which we condemned, did not happen in a vacuum. We maintain ties only with the political arm of Hamas.”
Putin and Netanyahu spoke at the start of the war, but there is a chasm between the two countries over the situation in Gaza. Russia refuses to designate Hamas a terrorist organization and initiates moves at the United Nations that harm Israel. Russian Ambassador to the United Nations Vasily Nebenzia declared during a Security Council debate that”Israel has no right to defend itself because it is an occupying power.”
President Putin also frequently criticized Israel, noting that”the humanitarian situation in Gaza is catastrophic. Putin, who announced at the weekend that he would seek a second term as president, visited the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia last week [5-7 Dec, ahead of UNSC fiasco] and hosted Iranian President Ibrahim Raisi at the Kremlin.

For the life of me, I cannot figure out how the UAE fits in the SCO regional puzzle. In the big picture AE is a US tool but lately is racking up OFAC sanctions for trade with RU. I will file Putin’s detour in my EMT folder. Meanwhile, CN huddled with IR. Here is the view from the center of psychoville. Here is the view from China’s MSM. Over all, I suspect, US expected veto triggered a some kind of counter-offensive strategy—not necessarily mil engagement. After all, that’s what G7 wants.

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 10 2023 19:42 utc | 86

Chinese nomenclature and Russian Oligarchs need to learn the lessons and play wise. Time is running for them.
Posted by: Framarz | Dec 10 2023 19:26 utc | 79
All kinds of resistance to imperialism are valuable, of course, but most of these are to some extent possible because of a history of Russian and Chinese resistance to imperialism. The idea that every action of resistance should compel these countries to escalate against the west right away is juvenile. We are seeing the unfolding of a long arc of planning and preparation, that is leading step by step to the destruction of western hegemony. Battles are not won by committing one’s reserves at the first shot.
If you want to call Russia ‘oligarchs’ and China ‘nomenclature’ then perhaps your list should include Cuban Dictators, Hezbollah Terrorists, Iranian Theocracy, Palestinian Terrorists, Venezuelan Dictators, and Houthi Extremists. All equally useful and discerning appellations.

Posted by: Honzo | Dec 10 2023 19:47 utc | 88

I think someone shared this yesterday at MoA. I’m not sure because it was sitting open on my desktop and I didn’t finish reading it until now.
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/a-wall-and-a-watchtower-why-is-israel-failing-ilan-pappe/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 10 2023 19:50 utc | 90

“Vladimir Putin reaffirmed the principled position of rejection and condemnation of terrorism in all its forms,” the statement read. If this political doublespeak was designed to satisfy everyone, it instead shows an absence of morality and a failure of will on the part of Putin.
Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 10 2023 19:31 utc | 81
“If” Well, it wasn’t. Thus fails the second clause of your assertion. Russia is and has been the target of a great variety of terrorists, from Chechens to Ukronazis, and well beyond if we consider state terrorism like Nordstream II. Of course Putin condemns this on principle and does not, like westerners, say that some terrorism is okay. Condemning terrorist in the abstract does not condemn the Palestinian resistance, it does not prejudge the accusations made against Hamas, and it does not detail the arguments of the rights of people to self-determination and freedom from oppressors that inform Russian definitions of terrorism. What is the use of rehashing all that to please an audience of westerners displaying their moral outrage? Putin’s track record for taking major risks and bearing major costs for obstructing western hegemony is clear. Who else in the world has such a record? Who in the world has supported more resistance movements than Russia? No one is even close.

Posted by: Honzo | Dec 10 2023 19:57 utc | 92

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 10 2023 19:50 utc | 89
mid.ru | Declaration by the Russian Federation and the Islamic Republic of Iran on the Ways and Means to Counter, Mitigate and Redress the Adverse Impacts of Unilateral Coercive Measures (05.12.23)
AND
Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s statement and answers to media questions following the 21th Doha Forum, 10 December 2023
are instructive

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 10 2023 20:05 utc | 94

Posted by: Exile | Dec 10 2023 14:18 utc | 2
Exactly so.

Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 10 2023 20:09 utc | 96

Perimetr | Dec 10 2023 19:45 utc | 87
Honzo at 92 said it better. Though if you don’t understand what I said in that comment, it is because you have no idea of what Putin has said in relation to Israel/Palestine and the current genocide.
Sputnik…? the likes of Sputnik and RT do at times have good interviews with various officials, but the rest of what they put up is mostly garbage – gossip, rumors and internet chatter – that has little to do with reality and I don’t bother reading them for that reason.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 10 2023 20:10 utc | 98

William Gruff | Dec 10 2023 19:31 utc | 80
“It will have to be a pluralist and secular state.”
It’s way too late and too starkly refuted for such lukewarm liberalism.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Dec 10 2023 20:18 utc | 100