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December 9, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-297
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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I warmly recommend this article by Ila Pappe: Posted by: JB | Dec 9 2023 14:53 utc | 1 Question: What would you do to stop antisemitism? Posted by: librul | Dec 9 2023 14:57 utc | 2 Posted by: librul | Dec 9 2023 14:57 utc | 2 Posted by: ryanggg | Dec 9 2023 15:04 utc | 3 librul @2 Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Dec 9 2023 15:05 utc | 4 This is what all should be concerned about: Posted by: JB | Dec 9 2023 15:11 utc | 5 Political Islam has endured hundreds of years of Anglosaxon persecution. Rivers of Muslim blood in Delhi. Concentration camps in Africa. Torture rendition chemical brain-washing after 9/11. Posted by: Giyane | Dec 9 2023 15:30 utc | 6 By virtually all measures, israel is engaged in the implementation of genocidal policies in Gaza. The US is not just an accomplice, it is an active participant. Posted by: Joseph B | Dec 9 2023 15:33 utc | 7 BDS and all Likud supporting businesses everywhere. Vote with your pocketbook. Some surprising companies come up: Posted by: Exile | Dec 9 2023 15:34 utc | 8 Someone (a professor at a university in Chicago?) said on Sputnik radio/news last night said (more or less in about as many words – sorry i was only listening with one ear, while out walking) that the Posted by: Toby C | Dec 9 2023 15:36 utc | 9 This is what all should be concerned about: Posted by: JB | Dec 9 2023 15:11 utc | 5 Posted by: pq | Dec 9 2023 15:44 utc | 10 if you want to end the genocide you must first make a deal with the oil, gas and pipeline people that they cannot refuse..because clearing Gaza is about claims to the offshore oil, gas, and the pipeline to service European oil demand. the nation states cannot intervene, least those who control their leadership shall extract a punishment beyond belief. Posted by: snake | Dec 9 2023 15:57 utc | 11 Adding to JB at no. 1: Posted by: botete | Dec 9 2023 16:12 utc | 13 Forever oppose every aspect of Weatern Civilisation, which is what Crooke wants you to do. Civilisational war. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 9 2023 16:12 utc | 14 librul @2 Posted by: joey | Dec 9 2023 16:12 utc | 15 …. Israel belongs to the Jewish people and no one else….. Posted by: Exile | Dec 9 2023 16:13 utc | 16 NOTHING NEW FOLKS! Theodor Herzl, the founder of the Zionist movement, said in 1895: “We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border…while denying it any employment in our country… Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.” Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Dec 9 2023 16:19 utc | 17 After voting down a ceasefire at the UN
Posted by: librul | Dec 9 2023 16:25 utc | 18 @Judah | Dec 9 2023 16:04 utc | 12 Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 9 2023 16:27 utc | 19 My word. If there was ever a posterchild for becoming misanthropist. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Dec 9 2023 16:36 utc | 20 Ahenobarbus 14 Posted by: Giyane | Dec 9 2023 16:40 utc | 21 Software companies need to be called out as well. Who is helping with the design of bulldozers, tanks that are leveling the towns? Posted by: moonofendor | Dec 9 2023 16:42 utc | 22 Muslims commonly support beating or killing women who disobey, as with executions in soccer stadiums by the Taliban. I wish Israel or someone would set up sanctuary for Muslim women threatened with honor killing. I recall an execution of a young woman in Gaza for talking with a male alone- who turned out to be a close relative. Hamas reaction was Oops, our bad. Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 9 2023 16:42 utc | 23 Ahenobarbus 14 Posted by: Giyane | Dec 9 2023 16:45 utc | 24 @ Eighthman | Dec 9 2023 16:42 utc | 23 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 9 2023 16:46 utc | 25 pq | Dec 9 2023 15:44 utc | 10 Posted by: suzan | Dec 9 2023 16:53 utc | 26 What could be done? Any effective action requires Russia and China (but also non-Muslim countries like Brazil, Vietnam, Colombia, Bolivia, South Africa, Mexico) to be involved. (forgetaboutIndia). Posted by: pq | Dec 9 2023 17:02 utc | 27 Palestine for the Palestinians Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 9 2023 17:15 utc | 28 I have produced a music video on behalf of the People of Palestine. There are no credits in this video as it is a donation. It’s a bit graphic, so fasten your seatbelts. Posted by: Rabbi McGoyim | Dec 9 2023 17:28 utc | 29 fyi Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 9 2023 17:28 utc | 30 Keir Starmer confronted by pro-Palestinian activists in Glasgow Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 9 2023 17:36 utc | 31 @ michaelj72 | Dec 9 2023 17:28 utc | 30 Posted by: suzan | Dec 9 2023 17:41 utc | 32 Replying to Posted by: David Cohen | Dec 9 2023 17:44 utc | 33 pq@27 Posted by: bevin | Dec 9 2023 17:46 utc | 34 This is not new, but I think it is still apposite. Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 9 2023 17:57 utc | 35 Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 9 2023 16:42 utc | 23 Posted by: joey | Dec 9 2023 18:00 utc | 36 Regards to the post by: David Cohen | Dec 9 2023 17:44 utc Posted by: Casper | Dec 9 2023 18:02 utc | 37 @ librul | Dec 9 2023 14:57 utc | 2 Posted by: Cabe | Dec 9 2023 18:05 utc | 38 Does it really matter who a land really belongs to in this day and age? There are something around eight billion people on the planet now with many people all over having no place to go and no home. Who ever a land belongs to, given the circumstances it would then make more sense to have some compassions and share? Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Dec 9 2023 18:06 utc | 39 @David Cohen | Dec 9 2023 17:44 utc | 33
… for genocide. Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 9 2023 18:13 utc | 40
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/78254 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 9 2023 18:18 utc | 41 War is over Posted by: Dogtired | Dec 9 2023 18:19 utc | 42 “Elon Musk’s company, SpaceX, launched satellites for Israeli intelligence company ImageSat International last year. Posted by: Laura Roslin | Dec 9 2023 18:25 utc | 43 David Cohen | Dec 9 2023 17:44 utc | 33 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 9 2023 18:27 utc | 44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldFAlyH4Jcs
Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 9 2023 18:27 utc | 45 https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/95052
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 9 2023 18:32 utc | 46 @ Judah | Dec 9 2023 16:04 utc | 12 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 9 2023 18:32 utc | 47 @ David Cohen | Dec 9 2023 17:44 utc | 33 Posted by: Cabe | Dec 9 2023 18:35 utc | 48 reply to 36 Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 9 2023 18:38 utc | 49 Israel belongs to the Jewish people and no one else. I wouldn’t feel comfortable criticizing Hamas’ tactics on October 7th mainly because most of what we hear is concocted atrocity propaganda to justify genocide. But even if I had a magic truth paring knife to cut to the bare truth of what happened, I don’t feel authorized to speak for anyone whose whole people has been locked up for 17 years — long enough for infants to grow up into quite angry young men and women. Chris Hedges retains my sense of discomfort, which I find compassionate.
https://scheerpost.com/2023/12/08/chris-hedges-the-evil-israel-does-is-the-evil-israel-gets/ Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 9 2023 18:40 utc | 51 yer just jealous of our Santa Claus Posted by: ld | Dec 9 2023 18:40 utc | 52 Israel-Palestine Weekly Update: may be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/israel-palestine-weekly-update-c74?utm_source=activity_item Posted by: Robert Hamilton Camp | Dec 9 2023 18:46 utc | 53 I am very keen to avoid feeding trolls and to abide by the barkeeps rules of not abusing posters. But seeing as how they are swarming probably as sock puppets – are devout Zionists allowed to work today? Anyway that particular post which cites the ‘Bible’ without acknowledging that that book put Semitic Jews as the villains of the world! And still holds to it as will be seen clearly between now and Easter. Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 9 2023 18:50 utc | 54 Israeli spokesperson Regev’s recent appearance on Sky News – to not only defend the stripping and humiliation of dozens of Palestinian men, but to contextualize it as a normal and unremarkable practice – displays precisely the banality of the crude sadism employed. This gaslighting of the International public, which ramped up with the lies over the hospital bombing in the early days, is producing a sort of stunned revulsion across the planet. Posted by: jayc | Dec 9 2023 18:50 utc | 55 sorry… angry Posted by: ld | Dec 9 2023 18:53 utc | 56 Putin is intelligent and patriotic, a great leader for Russia but he has been the biggest fence sitter of all. Hear me out before yelling at me. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2023 19:00 utc | 57 The Arab world… Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and the states lining the western edge of the Persian gulf – whats there? Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Oman… Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2023 19:04 utc | 58 @ Eighthman | Dec 9 2023 18:38 utc | 49 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 9 2023 19:13 utc | 59 David Cohen 33 Posted by: Giyane | Dec 9 2023 19:13 utc | 60 The challenge the David Cohen’s of the world have with their might-makes-right argument is that his argument also encourages the eventual destruction of the Jewish State – tragic Posted by: Exile | Dec 9 2023 19:14 utc | 61 Posted by: David Cohen | Dec 9 2023 17:44 utc | 33 Exile | Dec 9 2023 19:14 utc | 61 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2023 19:21 utc | 63 Ahenobarbus 14 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 9 2023 19:26 utc | 64 Muslims commonly support beating or killing women who disobey, as with executions in soccer stadiums by the Taliban. I wish Israel or someone would set up sanctuary for Muslim women threatened with honor killing. I recall an execution of a young woman in Gaza for talking with a male alone- who turned out to be a close relative. Hamas reaction was Oops, our bad. Posted by: Joey | Dec 9 2023 19:31 utc | 65 Crooke is with non-Christian Western politics , which is as unhelpful as Zionism although different. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 9 2023 19:32 utc | 66 Crooke is with non-Christian Western politics , which is as unhelpful as Zionism although different. Posted by: cafe_con_leche3 | Dec 9 2023 19:32 utc | 67 Canuck 62 Posted by: Giyane | Dec 9 2023 19:35 utc | 68 BREAKING: Israel’s Channel 12 reports that Netanyahu told Biden and Scholz, ‘if you do not act against the Houthis, we will act militarily’. Posted by: Hankster | Dec 9 2023 19:47 utc | 69 Posted by: David Cohen | Dec 9 2023 17:44 utc | 33 Posted by: Chas | Dec 9 2023 19:49 utc | 70 @ Giyane | Dec 9 2023 19:35 utc | 68 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 9 2023 19:50 utc | 71 Mr. Crooke is sympathetic to Palestinian concerns yet has influence to Western institutions such that he is the perfect type to use as a interlocutor rapprochement. Posted by: David Cohen | Dec 9 2023 17:44 utc | 33
Shalom! Posted by: lex talionis | Dec 9 2023 19:56 utc | 73 “No wonder you are angy Looks like Yemen is getting control of the Red Sea and and Gulf of Aden and more ability to enforce a potential no-passthrough event with sea mines and missiles. It could potentially wreck the west’s economy. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 9 2023 20:03 utc | 75 Way too much of the above is crap. I got out of my every other day or so checking on Helmer and IndianPunchline over the last few weeks, Helmer had his hiatus for his book. Deep thanks to all who keep posting whenever either of them post something worthwhile. Al-Manar, Al-Mayadeen and on telegram the english Gaza Now and Eva K Bartlett are heavy on my reading. Posted by: paxmark1 | Dec 9 2023 20:07 utc | 76 The Nation, with some real talk on Palestine’s Islamic resistance…
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-gaza-war/ Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 9 2023 20:11 utc | 77 @ Hankster | Dec 9 2023 19:47 utc | 69 Posted by: malenkov@gmail.com | Dec 9 2023 20:12 utc | 78 BDS and all Likud supporting businesses everywhere. Vote with your pocketbook. Some surprising companies come up: Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 9 2023 20:14 utc | 79 Apologies to anyone who might have the email address “malenkov@gmail.com” — it isn’t mine, so please nobody spam it with Zionist hate mail. 🙂 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 9 2023 20:16 utc | 80 Eighthman # 23, 49: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 9 2023 20:25 utc | 81 Delhiliterally: No doubt the number of corporations that do not support the Zioterrorist entity approaches zero. Posted by: malenkov | Dec 9 2023 20:26 utc | 82 Two months and two days. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 9 2023 20:27 utc | 83 Posted by: BlockMan | Dec 9 2023 20:18 utc | 81 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Dec 9 2023 20:32 utc | 84 Posted by: Exile | Dec 9 2023 15:34 utc | 8 Posted by: moonofendor | Dec 9 2023 20:37 utc | 85 Canuck 62 Eighthman | Dec 9 2023 16:42 utc | 23 Posted by: Cynic | Dec 9 2023 20:49 utc | 87 Cohen 33 Posted by: anon | Dec 9 2023 20:53 utc | 88 David Cohen | Dec 9 2023 17:44 utc | 33 … Posted by: Cynic | Dec 9 2023 21:03 utc | 89 Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 9 2023 20:27 utc | 84 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2023 21:09 utc | 90 People must not allow themselves to be provoked by rabid Zionist genocidal filth like Nuttyyahoo, Shaked, and their ilk and the loudmouth hasbara shills on this site. Posted by: anon | Dec 9 2023 21:13 utc | 91 Muslims commonly support beating or killing women who disobey, as with executions in soccer stadiums by the Taliban. I wish Israel or someone would set up sanctuary for Muslim women threatened with honor killing. I recall an execution of a young woman in Gaza for talking with a male alone- who turned out to be a close relative. Hamas reaction was Oops, our bad. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 9 2023 21:19 utc | 92 Delhiliterally: No doubt the number of corporations that do not support the Zioterrorist entity approaches zero. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 9 2023 21:32 utc | 93 Do you not understand that Anglo/Zionists are the ones with their power center in London that focus on hate, on both sides, such you are a just mere slave to WEF propaganda? Posted by: ld | Dec 9 2023 21:35 utc | 94 Delhiliterally | Dec 9 2023 20:14 utc | 79 Posted by: Cynic | Dec 9 2023 21:37 utc | 95 Cynic Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 9 2023 21:43 utc | 96 For those adding to the list of brands boycotting, just paste an elongated list. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 9 2023 21:47 utc | 97 For those adding to the list of brands boycotting, just paste an elongated list. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 9 2023 21:47 utc | 98 For those adding to the list of brands boycotting, just paste an elongated list. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 9 2023 21:47 utc | 99 DunGroanin “No escaping the entertainment industrial complex.” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2023 21:56 utc | 100 |
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