Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 3 2023 23:02 utc | 96
Am happy to see you recommending something other than Russia et alia’s 1967 borders proposal. Which looks like this:
https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/naksamap.jpeg?w=770&resize=770%2C433&quality=80
You may be right that they’ll run out of an economy, but, like Ukraine’s, it is largely subsidized by the US whose Congress just gave an almost unanimous vote in support, the sort of consensus only possible when furthering Jewish interests. Furthermore, most of Northern Gaza is now uninhabitable and Israel just started major bombing of Southern Gaza. In another couple of months all of Gaza will be a wasteland. Their economy will last until then.
No, sad to say, it looks like they have succeeded in making all non-Jews leave that area. Not quite done yet, but with 75% already displaced clearly Israelis are well on their way to achieving ethnic cleansing.
Meanwhile, the multipolar coalition has enjoyed productive meetings with consensus – no small thing – but (conveniently) lack implementation power. The larger picture hasn’t changed: the steady weakening of a West still able to generate chaos, violence and distress, though serious internal turmoil is increasingly certain in the near future.
Gaza, though important, is not a game-changer. Israel’s ability to destabilize the Middle East is important, but the good news is that this operation has revealed this as now greatly reduced. That IS a big deal and indeed a bit of a game-changer. It won’t help the Palestinians though. Your territorial proposal will only be possible after several years of negotiations; sadly, looks like they will be long gone by then.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 4 2023 0:23 utc | 103

Interesting in Alastair Crooke’s articles (listed at post no. 1) to see Blinken in tension with the Zionists by saying “you only have a few weeks” with the rejoinder no, they have much longer, and plans for a year of this “cleansing.” This factor from Blinken suggests Biden’s getting increasingly worried as we move closer to the new year and election season becomes more present in the news, more intense. I had thought he might be fixing to resign and delaying the decision so as to add glamor to his replacement (i.e. the timing of this) but maybe he really is deluded enough and conflicted enough to be convinced he should run. Meanwhile, post-“pause” the Zionists have redoubled their vicious justifications and will only increase anger and resistance, and this in turn settles back on Biden’s electability by his supporting Netanyahu. A war may be starting as with the attacks on ships today.

Posted by: botete | Dec 4 2023 1:04 utc | 105

Tony Greenstein has footage of the war in Gaza, which, he thinks, must be going badly for the IDF.
“It’s very strange. Israel has been engaged in a ground war for over a month in Gaza and yet we aren’t receiving any reports of their successes there. Which suggests that things aren’t exactly going to plan.
“The video below suggests that they are meeting stiff resistance. Of course when it comes to bombing from the air, knowing that Gaza doesn’t have an air defence system, Israel is very good at carpet bombing. Better it must be said than even Nazi Germany was when it bombed Guernica and Belgrade, to name but two.
“Israel is especially good at killing civilians, especially children, who consist of 40% of Gaza’s population. Israel is also excellent at attacking hospitals, all of whom are naturally Hamas bases.
“Attacking doctors, nurses and medical personnel are their speciality. No war crime is horrendous enough for Israel’s brave soldiers.
“Leaving babies to die when the incubators are turned off is a speciality. Unlike the Gulf War when Iraq was accused, falsely as it turned out, of having taken the babies out of incubators, Israel actually did kill the babies of Al Shifa hospital.
“Indeed when it came to attacking the Indonesia hospital Israel didn’t even bother to pretend it was a Hamas base. They knew from previous experience that whatever said, whatever lie they told, Biden & Blinken would cover for them.
“After all the United States has itself specialised in war crimes from Iraq to Afghanistan to Syria and beyond. Why then should Israel be afraid to parade its credentials in the war crime industry?
“In the fight against ‘terrorism’ just about anything goes and in the case of Israel anything did go.
“You may wonder why we have had no footage from the ground war which Israel has launched. All seems quiet on the Western front yet by all accounts Israel has not had it all its own way. By its own admission it has lost 60 dead but if this video from Richard Medhurst and reports from the Palestine Chronicle are anything to go business then Israel is meeting serious resistance.
(Visit Tony’s blog for video footage.)
https://azvsas.blogspot.com/2023/12/news-from-frontline-in-gaza.html

Posted by: bevin | Dec 4 2023 1:15 utc | 107

For the record:
https://www.rt.com/news/588442-powerful-south-gaza-operation/
“Operation in south Gaza will be ‘no less powerful’ than in north” – IDF
Israel seeking to achieve “no less results” with attack on the southern part of the Palestinian enclave,” IDF chief of staff says.
=====================================
Except this time, they have nowhere to flee to except the desert…..
Biblical….

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 4 2023 1:24 utc | 109

“How is it possible, given these facts, that Oct 7 was not a false flag? The suggestion that it was not is an attempt to obfuscate the deliberate nature of the genocide taking place before our eyes, make us think it’s the result of stupidity and panic, and protect Israel from the full load of moral approbation they deserve- and the material consequences that flow from it. It’s hasbara.
Honzo@92
No point in getting hung up about whether or not it was a false flag.
The nature of military intelligence requires thorough and accurate analysis. And, given the extent of Israel’s surveillance over Gaza, we know that there must have been masses of information requiring constant evaluation and analysis.
It is quite possible that Israel had the information but didn’t understand what it meant- a possibility all the more likely given the racism of Zionists and their consequent inability to regard their adversaries (Amalekites, animals, vermin etc) as capable either of planning meticulously or concealing plans by sharing them in plain view.
Remember all the conspiratorial nonsense about Operation Barbarossa or Pearl Harbor, how Stalin ‘refused to believe intelligence’ (because of course he was paranoid!) Or that FDR deliberately allowed the fleet to be sunk as a casus belli, because he was under orders from The City (which rules everything and always has done since 1694) to drag the US into war.
What we know about October 7th is still emerging, what we cannot know is whether or not Israel’s decision makers either knew what was coming or shared it. We know that they can be seen to have benefited from it (equally it cost them much in prestige and repute) but that doesn’t mean that this was a false flag operation.
And the last thing we need is to start splitting over the matter which is no longer of much importance.
What is important is that genocide is being carried out, everyone knows it and its perpetrators don’t care what we think. One of the reasons why they don’t care is that they know that it is easy to distract us with conspiracy theories- especially when they reinforce the diea of Israel omnipotence.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 4 2023 1:32 utc | 111

Winston, journalist@110
I second your recommendation of Murray’s blog today. It is good.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 4 2023 1:34 utc | 113

By now the term conspiracy theorist has been so thoroughly discredited that I become suspicious of anyone’s motives that reach for that cudgel.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Dec 3 2023 17:46 utc | 35
++++++++++++
that term was invented and put out there in the public space to be used as a cudgel. It has always been used as a cudgel to short-circuit any serious consideration of alternate hypotheses besides “official” narratives. I very much doubt that it is ever used in actual law enforcement—say, when investigators are trying to solve a murder.
Anyone who uses this term is to be scorned and pitied—and called out as a lazy ass.
It means he cannot think of, or articulate, an actual counter-argument or cite counter-evidence, or cannot be bothered to do so.
I would even avoid using the term ironically, because it really should be buried—disappear from the lexicon entirely never be heard again.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 4 2023 1:46 utc | 115

Disgust is a strong and lasting emotion, one of the human basic emotions.
I for example am now completely disgusted by Israel, probably beyond anything ever changing my mind about that.
Posted by: Mark Thomason | Dec 3 2023 18:01 utc | 43
+++++++++++++++++
Good point. Disgust is . . . more powerful than outrage, horror, anger, . . .
Disgust is visceral.
Similar to nausea.
Nausea is one of the most unpleasant sensations.
People never forget a food that nauseates them.
They will never eat it again.
Nausea is that strong a deterrent.
Israel is nauseating.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 4 2023 1:54 utc | 117

But my recollection is that Hamas was elected (to the Knesset in 2006?) as the official elected representatives of Gaza. The Jews then arrested and jailed ALL of those new reps. It’s hard to believe that these elected Gaza reps went along with a plan to lock them up indefinitely without charge or trial, is it not?
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 3 2023 23:12 utc | 97
What’s hard to believe about it? Why would you think that a Hamas slate of candidates were the decision makers in Hamas? Or that they knew they’d be locked up? That’s like saying the US doesn’t have a largely anonymous ruling class that chooses which of their servants the population of the US can vote for. Those guys sacrificed Kennedy easily enough. The whole concept of founding Hamas was to create an entity that the west could easily hate, that could be used to ‘provoke’ Israel into committing genocide. Seems like it’s working pretty well so far.

Posted by: Honzo | Dec 4 2023 2:14 utc | 119

UNGA 1983
Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights.
UN. General Assembly (37th sess. : 1982-1983) Symbol A/RES/37/43
https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/40572?ln=en
a few extracts —

Quote
Considering that the denial of the inalienable rights of
the Palestinian people to self-determination, sovereignty,
independence and return to Palestine and the repeated acts
of aggression by Israel against the peoples of the region
constitute a serious threat to international peace and security,
Reaffirming the importance of the universal realization of
the right of peoples to self-determination, national sover-
eignty and territorial integrity and of the speedy granting of
independence to colonial countries and peoples as impera-
tives for the full enjoyment of all human rights,
2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples
for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and
liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign
occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;
3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian peo-
ple, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign
and colonial domination to self-determination, national in-
dependence, territorial integrity, national unity and sover-
eignty without outside interference.
12. Strongly condemns the continued violations of the
human rights of the peoples still under colonial and foreign
domination and alien subjugation, the continuation of the
illegal occupation of Namibia, and South Africa’s [nee ISRAEL] attempts
to dismember its Territory, the perpetuation of the racist
minority regime in southern Africa and the denial to the
Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights;
13. Also strongly condemns the policies of those West-
ern and other countries whose political, economic, military,
nuclear, strategic. cultural and sports relations with the racist
minority regime in South Africa [nee ISRAEL] encourage that regime to
persist in its suppression of the aspirations of peoples to
self-determination and independence;

The Magna Carta of 1215, clause 40 reads:
“To no one will we sell, to no one will we refuse or delay, right or justice.”
For when justice is denied peace will vanish.
And justice delayed is justice denied and when justice is denied that’s when violence enters.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 4 2023 2:34 utc | 121

RE: Immaculate deception | Dec 4 2023 1:49 utc | 116
Indeed. But happy to provide latest:
https://www.naharnet.com/
https://tass.com/world/1715389
There’s rarely any honest reporting even here of the damage all these fronts are doing to Israel, after kicking the Cleric/Iman out of his house next to Al Aqsa Mosque, several Israeli officers were shot dead, and the shooters were reportedly shot dead.
So, Gaza, West Bank, Northern/Southern Israel are all under attack, but supposedly Israel is doing fine and has the upper hand, supposedly smashing & victorious…
On top of that, Syria started firing into the Golan and Iraq bases is getting hit with drones, and ships being fired on in the Red Sea…
But apparently, the US/Israel have it all under control…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 4 2023 3:01 utc | 123

Here’s an interesting story: Israel refuses to renew the visa of the UN Humanitarian Aid cordinator in Palestine.
She is Canadian. The Canadian government is very likely to thank Israel for its restraint and put her expulsion down to self defence but it is unlikely that all Canadians will go along with this flagrant abuse.
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/who-is-lynn-hastings-the-un-official-forced-out-by-israel/
Ed, I am well aware that conspiracies exist. But generally speaking explanations for events do not require the specialised inside knowledge that it takes to unravel “inside jobs” and ‘false flags.’ It is usually rather simple as in: if your country bombs an Arab country without just cause or restraint then, it might take a while, but someone is going to crawl out of the rubble, swim, if necessary the ocean, and blow one of your prized buildings up. And kill a few thousand of your people, in the hope that the next time you are going to OK an attack on defenceless people you might think about the consequences.
“Oh no” say the conspiratialists “that wouldn’t work. No barefoot illiterate bedouin could possibly inconvenience omnipotent white America. Just as no goatherding Afghan could possibly defeat the mighty Apple Pie fed US Army. And no barefoot rice eating jungle dwelling, slant eyed Vietnamese could ever chase our boys back to the embassy roof and blow raspberries as the helicopters flew away to safety. And the Hanoi Philharmonic played Waltzing Matilda.
No Ed and Turk and the many who, can’t wrap your minds around the equality of men as demonstrated by the ease with which we can kill one another: I’m going to take a lot of convincing that the Al Qassam brigade, which is demonstrating every day how brave, dedicated and cunning its fighters are, did not beat the shit out of the IDF one night in October.
I rather liked the idea that one man with a mail order rifle killed the President, on his own, just because he had come to hate him and what he stood for.
As to the CIA the least of its crimes would have been the killing of its boss, so if thieves fell out, so what?
The conspiiracy theory that I believe in is the one that the Intelligence Services love them and propagate them at will, what worries them and the oligarchs they protect is that people will put 2+2 together and see the obvious. The beauty of the conspiracies is that they deny the obvious and search out the most complex and irrational explanation. That way nobody believes anything-even the evidence of their eyes. And their guts.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 4 2023 3:20 utc | 125

“How is it possible, given these facts, that Oct 7 was not a false flag?
Honzo@92
For now at least, the term false flag is when a government attacks its own population but blames the enemy. Provoking an enemy to attack or letting it happen isn’t a false flag. To use a non American example, in Algeria the French would attack a local village if French Troops in the area were attacked. Elements in Algeria hostile to the French would do a sneak attack on French troops to provoke them to raid an otherwise friendly village. The goal: to set the local population against the French. Agent provocateur is the French way of saying it. Not a false flag.
Lining up an outsider to do the dirty is much more likely to allow for credible deniability, and thus a lot safer for the true government agent provocateur, and the government that wants it done.
My general vision of these things is that when there is a mass shooting that gets nationwide attention, I ask, what was the shooter like? That is, would he fit the profile of the sort of person an agent would want to encourage? The profile: A loaner with no close associates would be good. Somebody nutty enough to do it. And ideally, they should end up dead. From the fiction novel Treasure Island, “Dead men tell no tales.”
An early example would be Lee Harvey Oswald. Now this isn’t proof of course, but a recent shooter that fit the profile would be the Sandy Hook guy. No close friends and for some reason he shot the person he lived with, his mother. Plus he ended up dead. Another suspicious character is the Las Vegas shooter. A wandering man who thought he could escape, but took a bullet instead.
Finally, the authorities should be encouraged to stand down. 9/11 had that feature. The recent Hamas attack had that feature, and Peral Harbor also.
And if I might say so, if the authorities come super efficient after the event, but were laggards before, that casts a suspicion. That is another hint from the Sandy Hook shooting.
Ah well, so it goes.

Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 4 2023 3:31 utc | 127

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 3 2023 23:12 utc | 97
Ron Paul: Hamas was created by Israel to counter Arafat 1:27:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27esxkQtfTc

Posted by: Menz | Dec 4 2023 3:46 utc | 129

@128 scorpion
bevin will never concede to any other version of ww2 history than the one that we have been force fed and that has enabled midwits the nation over to proclaim that it was a “good war.”
bevin needs the liberal midwits for his communist master plan and he will not reveal his true thoughts about them until they are under his yoke and his boot.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 4 2023 4:33 utc | 131

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 4 2023 4:33 utc | 131
I’m slowly understanding! I never encountered classic left wingers / marxists before this forum though was around milquetoast liberals in the States during the 70’s and 80’s which is not the same though in some ways they are the result of Trotskyoid subversion. I didn’t realize that such views persist and have enjoyed learning otherwise, though will never go deep enough to fully appreciate their view. The more I do learn about different perspectives the more I realize I’ll never have a clear understanding of ‘what’s really going on’ because it involves so many different jostline perspectives that there can never be any clear ‘there’ there. Perhaps this could be called ‘messism’!?
Did you read the Dugin article in the Week in Review? I found it one of the most interesting and clearest takes on what is going on these days, principally as regards Russia but of course we are in a geopolitical moment and Russia is arguably the fulchrum of much of that, albeit I suspect another major pivot point is the relations of Jewish power networks with whatever new configuration is emerging. (I am not yet convinced that multipolarity is for real.) His critiques of materialism, capitalism and communism were cool and pithy. His praise of the old order including the Tzar and Christ, his condemnation of its destruction and his clear-headed call not to resuscitate the past but go forward properly without being beholden to the evils of atheistic materialism I found truly admirable – and very Russian!

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 4 2023 4:47 utc | 133

Oops:
different jostline perspectives
shld be:
different jostling perspectives

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 4 2023 4:49 utc | 135

Posted by: bevin | Dec 4 2023 4:48 utc | 134
Scorpion I see no reason to take Stinnett’s word for it.
============================================
It’s not his word you have to take. He just went into the Archives as soon as they were made available – 50 years after 1945 in 1995. There are many facsimiles reprinted in the book. There is not the slightest doubt whatsoever that this was deliberately allowed to happen. He’s not as good a writer as you, but his source material is quite clear and shines through his pedantic presentation.
For example: there was no radio silence (a key element of the false story). They knew the day the fleet left Nagasaki that PH was the target. They knew the names of every ship and captain. They even knew the names of the supporting fuel tankers and their captains. They listened in on every conversation, of which there was an almost constant stream. They sent Admiral Kimmel on an exercise in a sector (which he objected to) so that the Japanese fleet would not be detected which otherwise they would have been. Only about 20 people were privy to this information including FDR, Churchill and their inner Intelligence circle. Nobody in Hawaii knew.
Now as to why, no doubt Stinnett has his ideas (I don’t recall), but that it was known in advance that the Japanese were intending a surprise attack on Pearl Harbour is entirely true, there is too much clear evidence for any doubt (even though 90% of the original documentation was destroyed and never submitted to the archives).

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 4 2023 5:00 utc | 137

>>Why would FDR want war with Japan?
I believe what FDR wanted was war with Germany. As Japan was an ally of Germany, triggering an attack from Japan worked.
At the time of the Peral Harbor attack the aircraft carrier had already become the dreadnaught weapon. Battleship were of greatly reduced value and the ones in Peral Harbor were all older models of little real combat value. The damage to those ships had very little effect on American sea power, but great propaganda value.

Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 4 2023 5:08 utc | 139

Middle East Eye is really doing an excellent job on Gaza. This is just one of its regular updates of the progress of this dreadful story.
Surprise! Surprise!
“A leading Israeli newspaper has detailed how unverified and inaccurate accounts of the 7 October Hamas attack led to the publication of stories that appear to be false.
“Some of the details behind these stories, which described atrocities purportedly committed by Palestinian fighters, were provided by Israeli officials and soldiers as well as search and rescue volunteers.
“However, Haaretz cross-referenced some of these allegations in a report published on Sunday and found that they did not add up.
“The Israeli army admitted that mistakes were made by at least one soldier who fed one of the stories.
“One of the main topics allegedly riddled with unconfirmed reporting and misinformation was the death of children and babies, according to Haaretz. ”
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live/israel-palestine-war-gaza-truce-hamas-live
Jmaas it just does not make any sense to argue that FDR (and I’m presuming the rest of his government or was it an entirely private decision unsuspected by his advisors?) connived in the attack on Pearl Harbor in order to goad Germany into declaring war.
Have you heard of the good ship Reuben James?

Posted by: bevin | Dec 4 2023 5:19 utc | 141

bevin needs the liberal midwits for his communist master plan and he will not reveal his true thoughts about them until they are under his yoke and his boot.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 4 2023 4:33 utc | 131
I don’t know bevin but I grew up around a lot of communists and bevin doesn’t sound like any of them.

Posted by: Honzo | Dec 4 2023 5:49 utc | 143

@ bevin 141
“it just does not make any sense to argue that FDR … connived in the attack on Pearl Harbor in order to goad Germany into declaring war.”
That is exactly what happened. Read the book “Day Of Deceit, the Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor” by Robert Stinnett. FDR did all the 8 points in the McCollum Memo. Shut Japan off from oil & iron, etc.
This is a very important story and you are living under a rock if you don’t know it. You need to read the book. Check out some of the extensive bibliography and archive sources. Stinnett was a professional reporter and it’s a very serious book, relevant as long as huge false flag attacks still work.
Wikipedia article on Day Of Deceit

Posted by: JessDTruth | Dec 4 2023 6:03 utc | 145

If the zionists had created it they wouldn’t be bragging about it. Their aim in claiming they created Hamas is quite obviously to sow distrust and create division amongst the Palestinians.Then childish minds try to propagate that here…
Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2023 4:06 utc | 130
Exactly. Just can’t accept that Hamas is now a capable organization. Took me a few days to accept too, considering their actions in Syria.
Doesn’t anybody realise that the provocations in Al Aqsa mosque was parallel with most of the troops being deployed to face an uprising from West Bank (specifically Jenin)?
I don’t care for the bs about gas in gaza. Nethanyahoo is a zionist, not a business man.
The plan is just perfect. Uprisings in Jenin / West Bank and then pushing the whole lot into helpless Jordan. Profit: a real estate of 5000 sq.km.
God/Iran/Russia works in mysterious ways and now the Jews are struggling to push 2mn people into Egypt, a much harder job with a tiny profit of 500 sq.km.
The Europeans in a frenzy hoping Israel will exist so these choosen ones don’t darken Europe again.

Posted by: chola3 | Dec 4 2023 7:21 utc | 147

Mike | Dec 4 2023 7:24 utc | 148
I don’t know why no one will sanction them or condemn them in the West – or invade them like Nazi Germany was invaded and crushed for it’s war crimes and for crimes against humanity – it’s a sickening and an inhuman non-response.
Meme for the Day (one day)
Truth is on the side of the Palestinians
Justice is on the side of the Palestinians
Morality is on the side of the Palestinians
and that means that
The future is on the side of the Palestinians

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 4 2023 7:56 utc | 149

BY Alastair Crooke DEC 2
A poll published last Friday by the Israeli Democratic Institute reported that 90% of the public fully support the “annihilation of Hamas.”
The second step taken by “Israel’s” cabinet is to support Netanyahu’s artistry of a “heroic, no-choice struggle” by coloring the coming ‘War of Independence’ in absolute Manichean terms: light versus the dark; civilization versus barbarism. This is intended to kindle a wave of support for the key step of taking the “fiction” of a political agreement with the Palestinians off the table — “once and for all.”
It cannot be spelled out more clearly than from these statements by Netanyahu (“no Palestinian State”) that “Israel” is pushing for a Second Nakba. Netanyahu is building — with his florid Manichaeanism popular domestic support — toward a silent new ultimatum for Gaza: “Emigration or annihilation”. And later, in the West Bank, too.
So, here comes the ‘new war’: A Hebraic civilizational war to establish a ‘new’ “Israel” on the “Land Of Israel” versus the emerging Islamic nationalism undergirded by civilizational (non-institutional) Islam.
Hamas — indeed — has shattered the paradigm. The “two-states notion” has slipped under the waves.
https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/opinion/netanyahu-and-his-cabinet-are-taking–israel–to-biblical-ar

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 4 2023 8:41 utc | 151

Well Iran can play the proxy not a direct combatant like NATO pretended in Ukraine for a while. Me thinks that messing with global shipping in that busy busy straight is going to get empire mighty upset. Brinkmanship is now at a new level and showing there is pushback on the empire of lies in tangible economic ways.
Posted by: Hankster | Dec 4 2023 8:42 utc | 152
The US can reply with economic blockade, obliterating civilian infrastructure and terror bombing. The question is if it can spare enough resorces for a comprehensive and thus decisive annihilation campaign against the whole population.

Posted by: Satepestage | Dec 4 2023 9:42 utc | 153

@Lavrov’s Dog
“Truth is on the side of the Palestinians
Justice is on the side of the Palestinians
Morality is on the side of the Palestinians
and that means that
The future is on the side of the Palestinians”
I would love to believe that. I would like to have that optimism. For how long have the murderers been committing their crimes now?
Jesus told them “You are the offspring of your father, the devil, and you serve your father very well, passionately carrying out his desires. He’s been a murderer right from the start! He never stood with the truth, for he’s full of nothing but lies—lying is his native tongue. He is a master of deception and the father of lies.” (John 8:44)
That was 2000 years ago. Still they are thriving, more than ever, although truth, justice and morality were not on their side.

Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 4 2023 9:56 utc | 155

So far, facts on the battleground doesn’t show any valuable gains for Zionist Apartheid regime.
Posted by: Framarz | Dec 4 2023 9:49 utc | 154
The strategic goal seems to be pushing away and/or kill the palestinian population. Once that is accomplished killing Hamas combatants essentially amounts to the equivalent of a mop up operation against a defeated enemy.

Posted by: Satepestage | Dec 4 2023 10:06 utc | 157

“So far, facts on the battleground doesn’t show any valuable gains for Zionist Apartheid regime.”
Maybe. But I also see no videos of dead IDF soldiers on Telegram. All I see are videos with dying Palestinians, many of them children.

Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 4 2023 10:10 utc | 159

The International COLONIAL Court (twitter commenter being creative under hypocritical ICC tweet)
announces:
“My visit to Israel was conducted at the request of family members and friends of Israeli citizens who were either killed or taken hostage by Hamas and other armed Palestinian groups on 7 October 2023.
….
As I have stated previously, Israel has trained lawyers who advise commanders and a robust system intended to ensure compliance with international humanitarian law.
…
https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/icc-prosecutor-karim-khan-kc-concludes-first-visit-israel-and-state-palestine-icc-prosecutor
So scratch the possibility of justice through the International Colonial Court off the list.

Posted by: pq | Dec 4 2023 10:20 utc | 161

There is something very deep here about humanity and learning the art on how to concede to and share with the other. This speaks even into our own lives on discussion boards, where we can be cantankerous pedants with people we share more than disagree. It asks of us humane moral questions: why that tone?, what do you benefit from an enforced singular vision?, what is it that you cannot share?, when is enough? and why is enough never enough?
Posted by: titmouse | Dec 4 2023 10:08 utc | 158
Perhaps it is manifestation of Bestätigungs bedūrfnis because of low self esteem or sense of failure amongst other causes in this changing society.

Posted by: Joey | Dec 4 2023 10:27 utc | 163

Those who keep waffling on obsessively about religion, whichever religion, distract from what is happening: a land and resource grab by settler colonialists and neocolonialists to further objectives in the resource rich region of West Asia and Africa. And the more you speak about religion the more you support the fake narratives of Global War on Terror.
Posted by: pq | Dec 4 2023 10:04 utc | 156
This is true. Did you hear that Jeffrey Pyatt (of Maidan fame) has said that the US would get Russia’s natural resources by 2030? Straight from the horse’s mouth (or some other part).
And: I also overheard some Zionists talking and saying Israel got a bad deal because it did not get any oil.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 4 2023 10:43 utc | 165

Lebanese TV reports:
12:10 Al-Qassam Brigades: Our fighters managed to destroy 5 Israeli tanks and 5 vehicles since morning on Monday
Comment – unlikely 5 Merkavas but given it’s the claim will add to tally. So far 97 MBTs claimed by Arabs, nearly 20% of active in service Merkavas at start.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 4 2023 11:02 utc | 167

“…bevin needs the liberal midwits for his communist master plan and he will not reveal his true thoughts about them until they are under his yoke and his boot…” NemesisCalling@131
I a not a fan for Bevin’s socialism. However, he is , obviously, well read, intelligent, an excellent writer and honest. I enjoy his posts.
Your flimsy attack on the man only illustrates the paucity of your own intellect.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 4 2023 11:04 utc | 169

A cynical edit:
Truth is created by the MSM,
Justice is on the side of the most wealthy,
Morality is on the side of the Mighty,
Inotherwords, the Palestinians are fucked.
Posted by: canuck | Dec 4 2023 11:10 utc | 170
A realistic edit:
Truth is created by the MSM,
Justice is on the side of the most wealthy,
Morality is on the side of the Mighty,
Inotherwords, WE (the 99%) are fucked.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 4 2023 11:30 utc | 171

The US can reply with economic blockade, obliterating civilian infrastructure and terror bombing.
Posted by: Satepestage | Dec 4 2023 9:42 utc | 153
You’re delusional.
The U.S has no capacity to enforce an economic blockade on Iran.
Prior to the Ukraine war it might have had Russia’s aid in this.
However it pissed that opportunity down the toilet for eternity.
The U.S has no capacity to “obliterate” anything much in Iran.
Iran unlike Gaza, Iraq and Syria has substantial air defenses.
Iran has substantial long and medium range precision missiles.
Iran has extensive hardened facilities to protect it’s forces.
Iran can retaliate against ALL American and UK ships in the Gulf.
Iran can retaliate against all American bases in the Gulf region.
Note:
Operation Praying Mantis is no longer possible in the modern era.
In the early 1980s Iran had no or few defense systems or missiles.
Yet, they were still able to prevail in a US proxy war with Iraq.
If the US attempted attacks on Iranian oil facilities it would impact global oil prices to the detriment of it’s own allies and ultimately itself.
Not to mention what Iran could do to simply close multiple shipping lanes from the Persian Gulf to the Red Sea.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 4 2023 11:47 utc | 173

Posted by: pq | Dec 4 2023 10:20 utc | 161
The International Criminal Court (ICC) prosecutor Karim Khan has shattered the fragile standing of the Court and the possibility to trust in it as and expectations of justice being done. From the first decisions he made as the new Prosecutro (Afghanistan, for example) to the Ukraine shameful show and indictment of Putin and Lvova-Belova to his attitude and statements about the obvious and clear crimes against humanity and war crimes being committed by the Zionist sate against the Palestinian civilian population – he has disgraced himself and the Office of the Prosecutor.
Palestinian rights groups refused to meet with him finding him to be biased.
In his public statements he has emphasised
– that Hamas is a terror group
– that their actions on 7 October are egregious crimes
– that humanitarian aid needs to be allowed in Gaza
In his latest statements he has
– expressed a lot of sympathy and compassion for the Israely hostages and has just briefly mentioned the suffering of the Palestinians
– spoken in general and cautious terms about obligations that Israel has under the law
This man never once said that the obvious indiscriminate destruction of civilians, this mass murder, must stop because it is a crime.
Not to mention that he did not go on this visit in his official capacity, but at the invitation of Israely victims. There is a lot to say about that, but I will refrain.
In brief, Khan has brought the difficult and important function of international prosecution of war crimes into disrepute.

Posted by: JB | Dec 4 2023 11:53 utc | 175

Looks like Al Houthi might sink their first ship:

Yemen’s Houthi movement said its navy had attacked two ships, Unity Explorer and Number 9, with an armed drone and a naval missile and claimed the vessels were Israeli. A spokesperson for the group’s military said the two ships were targeted after they rejected warnings, without elaborating.
In a broadcast statement, the spokesperson said the attacks were in response to the demands of the Yemeni people and calls from Islamic nations to stand with the Palestinian people.
The US military said the Carney shot down two drones as it helped the commercial vessels. It was not clear if the warship was a target. It said the attacks were a threat to international commerce.
Israeli military spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari said the ships had “no connection to the state of Israel”. Hagari said: “One ship was significantly damaged and it is in distress and apparently is in danger of sinkingand another ship was lightly damaged.”
US Central Command said Unity Explorer is Bahamas-flagged and UK-owned, that Number 9 is Panamanian flagged, Bermuda and UK owned and operated, and Sophie II is Panamanian flagged.
Yemen’s Houthis, who have the backing of Iran, have launched several missile and drone attacks on Israel since the start of the war in Gaza on 7 October. They are not thought to have inflicted any serious damage.

In which case it really will be Houthi and the BlowFish … BA-DUNG! BOOM!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 4 2023 11:57 utc | 177

Yet, they were still able to prevail in a US proxy war with Iraq.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 4 2023 11:47 utc | 173
Who won the Iran-Iraq war is debatable as goals shifted during it, that said I was referring to Yemen. Iran proper could be bridge too far as I said multiple time, in the sense that a strategic victory against it will not be possible.
That said not even russian AD is able to stop completely standoff attacks with western weapons so Iran won’t either.

Posted by: Satepestage | Dec 4 2023 12:03 utc | 179

Disney is boycotting X (Twitter) amd Musk answered Disney’s Bob Iger, who accused X of antisemitism:
“If somebody’s going to try to blackmail me with advertising, blackmail me with money. Go [expletive] yourself. Go. [Expletive]. Yourself. Is that clear? I hope it is … Hey, Bob, if you’re here in the audience, that’s how I feel.”

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 4 2023 12:10 utc | 181

That said not even russian AD is able to stop completely standoff attacks with western weapons so Iran won’t either.
Posted by: Satepestage | Dec 4 2023 12:03 utc | 179
For the case of Yemen:
– There is nothing to bomb with modern western military means that hasn’t been bombed for the laast decade with no effect. Yemen’s military forces are underground.
– To have any effect at all, western militaries will have to put boots on the ground and they have no capacity to prevail in Yemen against the Houthi while being pinned down in Iraq, Syria and Ukraine (logistically).
– The result will be worse than against the 2 decade fight against the Taliban – i.e years spent running around in circles in the desert just to leave Yemen once again with the Houthi in charge.
A different kind of war, one western militaries are historically bad at.
Perhaps on a tangent, but while we’re at it, for the case of Iran:
No expectation that Russian/Iranian AD can stop Western weapons 100% is necessary.
It is clear that in the other direction western weapons cannot stop Iranian ones (eg Ain Al Asad base).
However, Iran’s sheer volume of coastal missile batteries can inflict more pain on Western forces in the gulf than western forces in the gulf can inflict on Iran.
To even attempt to invade Iran will require a massive mobilization and production spike which will content with both the Gaza Blitzkrieg requirements and the Ukrainian war requirements AND the requirements of other planned wars in Asia.
The U.S is logistically and materially stretched at this point, no matter how much paper they print.
Besides – No western force is large enough to physically occupy Iran. It’s like occupying China.
The reason I include Iran in this assessment is because they are the key supply line for the Houthi in Yemen.
– By attempting to take out Iran, the US doesn’t solve the problem of the Houthi shutting global shipping lanes in the middle east and sending oil prices to the moon.
– By attempting to take out Yemen, the U.S doesn’t solve the problem of Iran backing the Houthi and exerting influence everywhere else in the M.E
It’s a game of whack-a-mole, and only one mole at a time can be whacked but every-time they try the other mole jumps out and bites them in the arse.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 4 2023 12:20 utc | 183

180 arch. I do remember the heat usa took for when Saudi bombed the school bus full of kids, claiming it was a legitimate military target. It was the saudis that weeks later revealed, that the primary and secondary targets were provided by the usa . Then there was that oopsie where usa was caught footing the fuel bill for all those proxy coalition flights . Can’t remember if the Saudi paid the billion bill, or they just waited until news media looked the other way.
Either way houthis have been bombed starved and everything else for a decade or two and still manage to punch well above their weight. If Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires Yemen would be the groundskeeper

Posted by: Hankster | Dec 4 2023 12:27 utc | 185

I wish all israelis to be dead

Posted by: ld | Dec 4 2023 12:39 utc | 187

@ ld | Dec 4 2023 12:39 utc | 187
Even the Palestinian citizens?

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 4 2023 12:45 utc | 189

Illegal Apartheid Entity’s Chief rabbi of idf says it’s ok for idf to rape Palestinians – presumably including children.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/new-idf-chief-rabbi-says-soldiers-can-rape-arab-women-wartime-boost-morale/218362
Illegal Apartheid Entity’s’lawyer’ says that the Law does not apply to the Entity only the rest of humanity brcause … you know an old old story.
‘– GEROMAN — time will tell – 👀 —
@GeromanAT
1h
So called Human Rights Lawyer just said Israelis can commit as many war crimes as they want…
What a sick bastard
“
@Ostrov_A
15h
Dear world, the Jewish nation did not wait 2,500+ years to regain our sovereignty and independence, in order to take orders from you on how to defend ourselves.
Israel will do whatever is necessary and however long it takes, whether you like it or not!
Dec 3, 2023 · 9:37 PM UTC ‘
Illegal Apartheid Entity says they can assassinate anyone anywhere they like
Etcetra etcetra etcetra – no change in the zionazis hatred of humanity then.
Can we have a collection of such statements somewhere including the fake rapes , fake dead headless babies, fake killed by Hamas when it was idf and the worst of all the actual rigormorted Palestinian baby being labelled a doll!
A collection of evidence from their own mouths.
We need to track the shapeshifters so they don’t crop up with the same shot again in a few generations. Like the Natzios of Ukraine and Argentina and Canada and 5+1 Eyes.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 4 2023 13:01 utc | 191

Or that FDR deliberately allowed the fleet to be sunk as a casus belli

What exactly is conspiratorial? They had the Japanese intercepts about the attack days in advance, having cracked the code before the war even began, thus the reason for their success at Midway.
I cannot imagine why you would dismiss the work of serious historians about this because it conflicts with your worldview. It’s very likely FDR did allow the aging part of the fleet to be sunk in situ..not for some random nonsense about the apparently omnipotent city of London, but to drag the isolationist Maerica into a war with Japan..a war long planned and provoked through embargo policies.
You should read the Decline and Fall of the 3rd Reich by William Shriver. I disagree entirely with your casting aspersions on this view.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 4 2023 13:17 utc | 193

Who won the Iran-Iraq war is debatable as goals shifted during it
Posted by: Satepestage | Dec 4 2023 12:03 utc | 179
I can say with certainty, looking at the current status, that Iran won the Iran-Iraq war hands-down.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 4 2023 12:24 utc | 184
No, Arch, the 8 year war was a draw.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 4 2023 13:19 utc | 195

Israel will eventually go through every building in the palestinian ghettoes and deal with any civilian

Deal with. What a cowardly euphemism. Try ‘murder’. That’s accurate. Mass murder of women and children to steal their land. The ICC is busy sucking Israeli cock, like Biden and the rest of the Maerican degenerates.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 4 2023 13:26 utc | 197

Re canuck (#166): “ Before the Magna Carat the serfs could hunt in the ‘commons’, the King’s land. After the Magna Carta if the serfs hunted in the King’s land they would be hung.”
And who did that benefit? Certainly not the barons who forced the tyrant John to sign Magna Carta. A red herring at best regarding the effects of Magna Carta.

Posted by: Ciaran | Dec 4 2023 13:29 utc | 199