US paying for Gazacide!

Posted by: paddy | Dec 3 2023 14:43 utc | 4

@Posted by: librul | Dec 3 2023 14:45 utc | 5
Here is one blog’s take on the NYT limited hangout.
Note, I don’t believe the blog goes far enough (yet?) in filling in missing pieces
like this is just like September 11th.
https://armageddonprose.substack.com/p/vindicated-israeli-intelligence-knew

Posted by: librul | Dec 3 2023 14:48 utc | 6

@Posted by: librul | Dec 3 2023 14:45 utc | 5
The NYT article has earmarks that are to be expected in a limited hangout.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html
archive is here, if you prefer:
https://archive.is/peLT8

“Israeli officials obtained Hamas’s battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails and interviews show. But Israeli military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, considering it too difficult for Hamas to carry out.

Note the above from the article includes the excuse cover-up
one would expect from DOI (Disease of Israel) collaborators at the NYT.

The approximately 40-page document, which the Israeli authorities code-named “Jericho Wall,” outlined, point by point, exactly the kind of devastating invasion that led to the deaths of about 1,200 people.

Led to the claims of “the deaths of about 1,200 people”.
Or, I would rewrite it this way, “Led to the claims of the deaths of about 1,200 DOI soldiers and civilians at the hands of the Hannibal Directive. PLUS led to the deaths of thousands upon thousands of Palestinian civilians.” [Palestinian live barely exist to these NYT typists.]

The translated document, which was reviewed by The New York Times, did not set a date for the attack, but described a methodical assault designed to overwhelm the fortifications around the Gaza Strip, take over Israeli cities and storm key military bases, including a division headquarters.

Should be, “the *version* of the translated document reviewed by the NYT, was censored by Mossad so as not to show it provided intelligence on Hamas timelines.”

The plan also included details about the location and size of Israeli military forces, communication hubs and other sensitive information, raising questions about how Hamas gathered its intelligence and whether there were leaks inside the Israeli security establishment.

“Raising BIG questions about whether this was an inside job.”

Posted by: librul | Dec 3 2023 15:17 utc | 8

Lifted from Crooke’s latest, this sentence “A poll published last Friday by the Israeli Democratic Institute reported that 90% of the public fully support the “annihilation of Hamas”” has little meaning. Depending on how the polling question was asked, it may be understood as “are you a supporter of Hamas?”.
https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/opinion/netanyahu-and-his-cabinet-are-taking–israel–to-biblical-ar
It is possible too that some people, as in the West, have been so brainwashed by TV that they do not make a difference between a conflict between regular armies and guerilla warfare.

Posted by: Tom | Dec 3 2023 15:25 utc | 10

Middle East eye reports :
Israeli authorities marked the home of Al-Aqsa Mosque’s imam for demolition on Sunday.
According to local media, Israeli forces stormed the residential building in occupied East Jerusalem, which houses several Palestinian families along with imam Ekrima Sabri’s family.
Residents were told to leave the house ahead of an imminent demolition.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 3 2023 15:38 utc | 12

Morning “good news” report:
https://southfront.press/british-ship-hit-by-rocket-yemen-reports/
It’s only a matter of time before they sink one. Go Houthis!

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 3 2023 16:29 utc | 14

Though the holocaust burnt offerings to the Tribal WarGod against the poor but proud people of Palestinian Gaza has once again gone into high gear; the resistance forces are taking their toll against the invaders. Those intruders are softies compared with their Sabra predecessors. Their casualty levels will cause much weeping, wailing and rending of garments back in their land of Occupation.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 3 2023 16:34 utc | 16

Happy Sunday, Barflies. Appreciate all the comments and links as usual.
What has become strikingly obvious is how Israel lies and lies, whether from strength when it is savage and merciless or in weakness with it is pathetic in its eternal victimhood.
If the US and its vassals are the Empire of Lies, Israel must surely be its beating heart. However, the soul that occupies the beast is global capital – those who own, ran and benefited from imperialism over the past few centuries, and who shape shifted there colonies to the virtual neocolonialism post WW-2.
I hope Putin and Xi understand this. Though Western hegemony is weakening and Zionism may be on its last legs, the Imperial Beast must not be allowed to escape.

Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 3 2023 16:43 utc | 18

In one of the previous articles petergrfstrm | Dec 3 2023 9:40 utc | 258 had commented about

Thierry Meyssans two recent articles about Israel- Hamas collaboration seem pertinent. He doesnt suggest that the footsoldiers were in on it but there are other parties and MB never was anything but an asset for the angloamerican empire. No matter how Erdogan himself likes to see it.
Meyssan has also written informative info about that aspect in his book Before our very eyes fake wars big lies from 9/11 to Donald Trump(2019)

This was most intriguing as on UNZ a few years ago there was a discussion about how one of the Arab Israeli Wars had been complete fiction. It was agreed before hand by Egypt and Israel about splitting up certain territory as well as the progress of the war. Israel Shamir, who used to write prolifically on UNZ before his stroke, had fought on the Israeli side in the special forces I think it was and had lost some comrades. He was horrified to learn that the Israeli troops and the Egyptian troops had climbed into each other while the generals knew exactly what the end result was to be and had allowed casualties to occur, and even given orders allowing casualties to occur, just to aid in the pretense that a war had happened. This was one of the Arab Israeli wars, the others might have been genuine.
Then ld | Dec 3 2023 14:29 utc | 302 posted a link about how Erdogan is supplying 40% of Israel’s oil
https://twitter.com/i/status/1731275910144278888
So all is not what it seems, the troops on the ground don’t know the full story and neither do us couch commentators. Maybe we’ll never know the full story.

Posted by: gT | Dec 3 2023 16:45 utc | 20

Christmas in Satellite City
Time to celebrate the birth
of he who died for our salvation
with holidays and mirth
plus genocide and starvation
If there was a Jesus
he’d be turning in his grave
to see the blackened hearts of those
whose souls he died to save
No pity for the mothers
whose aching arms embrace
the limp and broken bodies
of children wantonly erased
When it’s time to meet your maker
what excuse could you provide
for allowing this to happen
with your silence you abide
WIP

Posted by: ld | Dec 3 2023 16:56 utc | 22

US warship, commercial ships under attack in Red Sea, says Pentagon
Starting a war with AnsarAllah will not help shipping get through Bab al Mandab.
This will put pressure on other false supporters of Palestine if not responded to, on the other hand.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 3 2023 17:06 utc | 24

What is the Pentagon going to do?
Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 3 2023 16:58 utc | 23
Beg for a cool trillion in funding to “combat rising challenges to freedom in the world’s shipping lanes and keep the seas safe for democracy”.
Man, that decades long GWOT really worked a treat didn’t it?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 17:19 utc | 26

Christmas in Satellite City – Diolch am y geiriau. Campus. With gratitude on this Advent Sunday. Does ID know who is WIP?

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Dec 3 2023 17:25 utc | 28

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 17:20 utc | 27
Thank you Arch
I weep thorugh every syllable
unfortunately the fodder is neverending
I pray for the day when my poems make people laff again

Posted by: ld | Dec 3 2023 17:28 utc | 30

Bemildred | Dec 3 2023 16:58 utc | 23
“What is the Pentagon going to do?”
I think you mean “what is the Beltway going to do?”
The straits of Bab-el-Mandeb which separate Yemen form the Arabian peninsula is 16 miles wide. According to Wikipedia, “The Bab-el-Mandeb acts as a strategic link between the Indian Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea via the Red Sea and the Suez Canal.”
Ships passing through there are, obviously, vulnerable to attack.
If the USS Carney is indeed operating in that strait, then,I think, she is the proverbial sitting duck.

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Dec 3 2023 17:32 utc | 32

If the USS Carney is indeed operating in that strait, then,I think, she is the proverbial sitting duck.
Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Dec 3 2023 17:32 utc | 32
Thank you for your comment, I quite agree. I hope they get all those pricks off of Socotra out of this too. Expel them all.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 3 2023 17:37 utc | 34

I’d posted a link in the previous thread talking about the attack on the USS Liberty. I’d encountered it in an effort to vet a claim that the Russians aere standing by in case there was a request for help. This story was essentially debunked in that article (Pravda). BUT! I also ran across something that I wasn’t aware of and that I suspect many here also might not been aware of. There was literally something lurkimg “below”.
This supports my understanding that the Russians ARE in all this, we just can’t see them.
The Russians Were Coming: The Soviet Military Threat in the 1967 Six-Day War
https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/olj/meria/meria00_gii01.html
I think there ia somerhing out there titled “The Man Who Was to Destroy Israel”.

Posted by: Seer | Dec 3 2023 17:53 utc | 36

@1
YES! “PALESTINE WITHOUT THE ZIONISTS!”

Posted by: lindaj | Dec 3 2023 17:55 utc | 38

Border”>https://new.thecradle.co/articles/border-surveillance-footage-from-7-october-disappears-israeli-officers”>Border Surveillance Footage Oct 7 disappears by “invisible hand”

Posted by: Stonedar | Dec 3 2023 17:57 utc | 40

Sorry I see someone upthread already mentioned that RedSea happenings. I wasn’t up on the conversation…

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Dec 3 2023 17:58 utc | 42

From “conspiracy theory” to “conspiracy fact”.
There are a lot more conspiracy facts out there than theories.
Not sure why but “conspiracy fact” —only the words— makes me smile a little 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 3 2023 18:02 utc | 44

some of the near innumerable UN resolutions which the zionist state has either rejected or never respected. a thread below from war correspondent E. Magnier, who has done some homework
israel should/will soon be cancelled by the International Community.
may take a while, for sure, but still…..
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1713404605638312153
1948
December 11: Resolution 194: establishes Conciliation Commission; protection of and free access to Jerusalem and other Holy Places; Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or property damage which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.
1949
December 9: Resolution 303(IV): International Regime for Jerusalem.
December 10: Resolution 356: Jerusalem.
1967
July 4: Resolution 2253 (ES-V): Condemns Israel’s measures to change the status of Jerusalem as invalid.
1968
December 19: Resolution 2443: Establishes the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Palestinian People.
1969
December 10: Resolution 2535: UNRWA Report. “Reaffirms” the “inalienable rights” of the Palestinian people and requests the Security Council to take “effective measures” to force implementation of previous UN resolutions.
1970:
November 4: Resolution 2628: Urges the speedy implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 242 and recognizes that “respect for the rights of the Palestinians is an indisputable element in the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East”……
Resolution 471: ” … ‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention”.
Resolution 476: ” … ‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claim to Jerusalem are ‘null and void'”. The altering of the status of Jerusalem constitutes as a flagrant violation of the 4th Geneva Convention.
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1713413172902670759
Resolution 2334 (23 December 2016) called for an end to Israeli settlement building
AND of special note, perhaps, FROM 1974:
November 29: Resolution 3246: Affirms the legitimacy of armed resistance by oppressed peoples in pursuit of the right to self-determination and condemns governments which do not support that right.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 3 2023 18:19 utc | 46

Sirens in Golan Heights
https://nitter.net/WarMonitors/status/1731373626803286108#m

Posted by: Seer | Dec 3 2023 18:24 utc | 48

unsure if it’s allowed, lowkey video
https://youtu.be/LliKxwn2KDw

Posted by: polarbear4 | Dec 3 2023 18:45 utc | 50

A long list of UN resolutions that were systematically ignored! It is high time the general assembly suspends Israeli membership. (They can suspend by a qualified majority but not terminate it.) Right before the independence (14 May 1948) Israel had pledged to the UN to seek “a peaceful resolution” for the fixation of the border and in exchange for that engagement got its independence. Immediately after that the Nakba was in full swing…

Posted by: Teraspol | Dec 3 2023 19:13 utc | 52

Extraordinary cognitive dissonance in this headline:
US says Israel ‘making an effort’ to minimise civilian deaths as death toll soars
https://www.euronews.com/2023/12/03/israel-hamas-war-israel-widens-evacuation-orders-as-offensive-shifts-to-southern-gaza
“The White House has said they believe Israel is “making efforts” to minimise civilian casualties in Gaza… “We think they have been receptive to our messages about trying to minimise civilian casualties,” White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby told ABC. The Israeli army has resumed its offensive in northern Gaza “in a smaller and more precise way”, he added, noting that over the past two days, Israel had published a map online where civilians could find refuge and flee the fighting. “There aren’t many modern militaries that would do that,” Kirby continued. “They are making an effort.”

Posted by: jayc | Dec 3 2023 19:38 utc | 54

It was another September 11th all along.
Posted by: librul | Dec 3 2023 14:42 utc | 3
Well, yeah… Netanyahoo told us that on Oct 7. I think it was on Oct 8th that Egypt told us it had warned MOSSAD.
Well before Oct 7 it was clear that Netanyahoo was on his way to jail if he didn’t pull something out of his ass- and voila, the ‘terrorist’ organization he created commits a ‘surprise’ atrocity just in time! Now Bibi and co. can exterminate the Palestinians, and once Gaza is cleansed, Netanyahoo will be bulletproof. The hero that established Greater Israel! He’ll be king of Israel for life.

Posted by: Honzo | Dec 3 2023 19:44 utc | 56

Mark Thomason | Dec 3 2023 18:01 utc | 43
I for example am now completely disgusted by Israel, probably beyond anything ever changing my mind about that.
As well as the US political and religious establishment. My disgust has no bounds

Posted by: circumspect | Dec 3 2023 19:56 utc | 58

“…The straits of Bab-el-Mandeb which separate Yemen from the Arabian peninsula is 16 miles wide…”
No Johnny Dollar: Yemen is in the Arabian peninsula. The straits are between Yemen on the east and Eritrea and Djibouti both to the west.
The finest coffee in the world comes from the Ibb governorate in the hills above Mocha the Yemeni port in question.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 3 2023 19:59 utc | 60

I came here to post that link, bevin. Good article.

Posted by: trachys | Dec 3 2023 20:00 utc | 62

zionists have never needed a pretext to bomb Palestine. This is the main reason why the ‘September 11’ theories are implausible.
Even before 7 Oct. this was already one of the deadliest years in Palestine, in the West Bank.
That Palestinians live and breathe, and resist, is sufficient pretext.

Posted by: Browser | Dec 3 2023 20:17 utc | 64

Well the next question is whether this LIHOP went ‘according to plan’…
Given its exposure of the Hannibal Doctrine, and its current LIHOP exposure, and the IDF admission that Galilee could not be defended against Hezbollah now, and loss of so many IDF vehicles and unspoken number of troops to the point there’s murmurs of serious troop pushback, and massive global protests resurrecting the Two-State Solution and pushing back openly against Zionist censure, and the sinking the Abraham Accords, and disrupted shipping and raised insurance rates, and fleeing citizens while economy is tied up in knots, and on and on… I am going out on a limb and guessing it is not going ‘according to plan’.
Seems like a well executed military raid Turtle has caught a Hare nodding off and shrugging when it saw the racing positions switched. Now after its loss the Hare is hopping mad while the Turtle turtles. It’d be pathetic if it weren’t so horrific to the non-combatants.

Posted by: titmouse | Dec 3 2023 20:19 utc | 66

If NYT is claiming “Israel knew”, complete with a hijacker passport in the rubble…what we know 100% is
a) that the debate is being shifted away from the IOF’s murder of hundreds of Israelis on Oct 7
b) providing Israel with the excuse to say Hamas is more sophisticated than we thought so we REALLY need to kill more babies.
Like how the dumb discussions about tunnels distracted sheeple from the fact Israel bombed, laid siege to, and destroyed EVERY hospital in N. Gaza.
This NYT article is cementing into the sheeple’s minds that the IOF was in no way responsible for many if not most of the civilian deaths. Again, at a time genocide is happening every minute, such articles only serve to distract from the key issue.
The issue of whether the level of detailed knowledge of LIHOP /MIHOP is 25%, 50%, 75% or 100% is IRRELEVANT. What is more important but swept under the rug is whether the Mass Hannibal directive was a product of confusion or deliberately ordered so as to maximize casualties to be reallocated to Hamas. I am pretty sure Israelis know the answer. But their hatred of Palestinians is way higher than their hatred of Bibi.
I roll my eyes at trying to frame “Israel knew” / LIHOP / MIHOP / false flag as some sort of simplistic Yes / No box to be checked off.
EVERY SINGLE DAY for the past decade Israel tortures someone in its prisons and every single day Hamas is not sitting idle. Israel will be getting a huge flow of info, most of it unreliable. Add hubris. I am sure Hamas is also feeding fake info into their systems. Ignoring reports about watching Hamas training is also highly plausible. These explanations are not mutually exclusive!
IF Bibi the Butcher of Gaza deliberately allowed a bit of LIHOP or MIHOP he got more than he bargained for: while Israeli civilian deaths are OK for Bibi, taking soldiers hostage is definitely NOT. There is NO WAY that was deliberately allowed.
No Israeli leader has ever needed an excuse to “mow the lawn”. It has been done many times before with no excuse. It seems that many people here are new to the conflict and have forgotten what was happening in September 2023.
Bibi the Butcher showed a Palestine-free map at the UN. Around that same time, Israel was getting ready to invade Jenin. If you listen to interviews with Palestinians and people who actually know something (rather than the usual suspects) there was a feeling for the last six months that Israel was planning something big, at a time when Bibi the Butcher was fighting for his political survival.

Posted by: pq | Dec 3 2023 20:24 utc | 68

Browser | Dec 3 2023 20:17 utc | 64
#ZioNaziFreePalestine

Posted by: Neil MacLeod | Dec 3 2023 20:27 utc | 70

Correct, which is why Israel is not going to stop until Hamas is TOTALLY destroyed.
Posted by: BlockMan | Dec 3 2023 20:17 utc | 65
The IDF has no means to tell Hamas from the general population.
What israhell is in fact intending is genocide.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 20:28 utc | 72

zionists have never needed a pretext to bomb Palestine. This is the main reason why the ‘September 11’ theories are implausible.
Posted by: Browser | Dec 3 2023 20:17 utc | 64
Bingo.
Moreover, any Palestinian resistance movement would eventually be stuck with the collusion label because there is always a degree of cooperative relationship between the jailer and the jailed.
So theories about collusion between Hamas and mossad are all illusions based on misguided sophistry.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 20:32 utc | 74

Erdogan seems to specialize in sitting on the fence.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 3 2023 20:28 utc | 71
One can only hope he ends up impaled on one at some point …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 20:47 utc | 76

Meyssan often writes fiction. I still remember when a couple of years ago he wrote very authoritatively, after some sort of pedestrian meeting between Russian and US officials, that what happened was in fact huge, a new Yalta: The US recognized their defeat in Syria, and they arrived at an arrangement with Russia, and China was left out bc it didn’t fight in Syria, etc. He wrote that as if he was there, or seen irrefutable documents. Pure fiction ofc, and Ukraine happened, and now Gaza. After that, I really can’t take Meyssan seriously. I don’t believe he has any info about this huge behind the scenes collusion that he is talking about. He just makes it up, IMO.
As for the leaks about the Israelis knew, right now there is a big Cover your Ass operation happening: Netanyahu wants to deflect his responsibility on the intelligence services. Plus the huge failure of Oct 7 is bad for the surveillance and security business which matters a lot for Israel. Rather than recognize that their systems can be overcome by ingenious guerillas, it is better to allude to dark and murky forces and intentions.
It seems impossible that Israel would have intentionally jeopardized its main asset: deterrence and the aura of invincibility of its army and intelligence, which failed miserably. The Israelis are right now genociding right and left bc they want to restore the deterrence they lost on Oct. 7.

Posted by: Zina -onz | Dec 3 2023 20:56 utc | 78

What matters: a final warning
Israel’s bombardment of southern Gaza is the “worst bombardment of the war right now”, Unicef spokesperson James Elder said on Sunday.
“I am seeing massive child casualties,” Elder posted on X (Twitter).
“We have a final warning to save children; and our collective conscience.”
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live/israel-palestine-war-gaza-truce-hamas-live

Posted by: JB | Dec 3 2023 21:35 utc | 80

Iran deputy minister of defense had a conversation with Tasnim news agency today, in which he announced that Iran has acquired Dehlavie ATGM with new range of 12 kilometers and has also tested them on field and is working on higher ranges.
In this regard, news was published today that the Islamic resistance of Lebanon has targeted and destroyed a Zionist personnel carrier deep in the occupied territories. In this attack, 8 IDF soldiers along with three settlers were announed as injured.
Considering that the said carrier was targeted from a distance of more than 8 km, it should be said that the Islamic resistance in Lebanon has sent a very important message to the Zionists, and that they already possess new Dehlavie with range higher than 10 km. Targeting a moving carrier from such long distance requires a lot of skills and training.

Posted by: Hankster | Dec 3 2023 21:52 utc | 82

john | Dec 3 2023 20:43 utc | 75
You’re right. I shouldn’t do ‘best’ either. The qat is said to be great too.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 3 2023 21:54 utc | 84

https://x.com/revolutionaryem/status/1731432035489579517?s=46&t=iQi7fB-06urmjYsPOJ0ITw
“A senior source in the AlQassam brigades to Al Jazeera:
‘A 70% withdrawal by ‘Israeli’ forces from the north of the Gaza Strip due to the failure of their operations and as a result of the resistance’s strikes.”

Posted by: Gengar | Dec 3 2023 22:04 utc | 86

The finest coffee in the world comes from the Ibb governorate in the hills above Mocha the Yemeni port in question.
Posted by: bevin | Dec 3 2023 19:59 utc | 60
No, it not the ‘best coffee in the world. By price and consensus taste the finest coffee is located in the Ivory Coast. This coffee bean is eaten by an elephant than then excreted out-apparently the elephant’s stomach enzymes bring a subtle taste to the coffee.
It costs $2,000 per kilogram.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Ivory_Coffee#:~:text=Black%20Ivory%20Coffee%20is%20a,breaks%20down%20the%20coffee's%20protein.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 3 2023 22:19 utc | 88

As for the leaks about the Israelis knew, right now there is a big Cover your Ass operation happening: Netanyahu wants to deflect his responsibility on the intelligence services. Plus the huge failure of Oct 7 is bad for the surveillance and security business which matters a lot for Israel. Rather than recognize that their systems can be overcome by ingenious guerillas, it is better to allude to dark and murky forces and intentions.
It seems impossible that Israel would have intentionally jeopardized its main asset: deterrence and the aura of invincibility of its army and intelligence, which failed miserably. The Israelis are right now genociding right and left bc they want to restore the deterrence they lost on Oct. 7.
Posted by: Zina -onz | Dec 3 2023 20:56 utc | 78
I agree with your analysis. Its better for business to blame foggy conspiracies than admit surveillance and supervisory incompetence.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 3 2023 22:25 utc | 90

zionists have never needed a pretext to bomb Palestine. This is the main reason why the ‘September 11’ theories are implausible.
Posted by: Browser | Dec 3 2023 20:17 utc | 64
A) They are not just bombing Gaza, the aim is complete ethnic cleansing. Even many Israelis oppose this, there had to be an event to excite their anger.
B) There have always been one pretext after another since Hamas came to power. Netanyahoo and his Zionist cronies created Hamas, regularly boast that it is deeply infiltrated and they have complete surveillance over the Gaza.
C) The actions of the IDF from Oct7 onward have been completely consistent with the public aims of the Zionist since 1948 (and before), and with published military doctrine.
D) Oct 7 serves Netanyahoo’s personal agenda perfectly- he was on his way out of power and into jail. Now he’s not, and if he can follow through on the Final Solution he’ll be a hero. At least until the Muslim world decides to take the risk and completely destroy Israel.
How is it possible, given these facts, that Oct 7 was not a false flag? The suggestion that it was not is an attempt to obfuscate the deliberate nature of the genocide taking place before our eyes, make us think it’s the result of stupidity and panic, and protect Israel from the full load of moral approbation they deserve- and the material consequences that flow from it. It’s hasbara.

Posted by: Honzo | Dec 3 2023 22:40 utc | 92

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 3 2023 22:41 utc | 93
yes

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 3 2023 22:57 utc | 94

Blue Dotterel | Dec 3 2023 14:20 utc | 1–
Good to see more people looking for and linking to Crooke’s Saturday column! This little excerpt is very important:
For the Israeli public, there can be no stability until “Hamas is eradicated.”
Indeed, there will be no stability within Occupied Palestine for as long as it’s inhabited by Zionists. And well before Hamas gets “eradicated,” the Zionist economy will implode–that’s what Blinken and Austin are referring to when they say Netanyahu only has weeks. Being a trickster doesn’t make one a good manager. Congress is tied in knots over funding and The Debt as polling indicates few in the Empire want to fund the Zionists anymore than they want to fund the UkieNazis. Netanyahu will be forced to say austerity must become policy if Hamas is to be defeated. And someone in the War Cabinet said the war would last at least one year. I doubt that person looked to see how many shekels are in the treasury. Yemen’s interdiction of Zionist shipping is crucial as that loads additional unanticipated costs onto the Zionist economy. I highly suggest reading “How Yemen is inflating Israel’s war cost” and Kit Klarenberg’s earlier article that it links to.
Occupied Palestine is already destabilized and instability will only increase. Add to that the inability of the IOF to engage Hamas while constantly being attritted, and public ire will soon turn as all the above worsens. Meanwhile, on the settlement front, every proposition’s beginning with the already UN-established–International Law based–Two State Solution, whose most important remaining point is that it sets forth the need for a just solution for Palestinians, which is one of Xi’s Musts/Demands. The historical precedent I see as the solution is post-WW2 Germany that was divided into four different control sections, although with Palestine I see only two, and it will certainly take the use of force and years of coercion to make the solution work. Essentially, Palestine is cut into two halves–All the land South of a line from the Northeastern corner of Gaza to Jerusalem including all the West Bank becomes Palestine and the remainder becomes Israel. Yes, that gives more than 50% to Palestinians as they more than deserve at least that much in the form of reparations. Yes, to make that reality, force would need to be employed; however, force will need to be used to enforce ANY solution. And that force will need to be employed for several generations at minimum. Even a one state solution will require the use of force to defeat the Zionist military. Humanity must face the unpalatable truth that the Zionists are bloodthirsty barbarians who don’t belong in the ranks of civil humans–in that sense they are clearly chosen: Chosen not to belong. The same was once agreed regarding Nazis, although it’s now very clear some were lying in 1945 and they weren’t Russians.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 3 2023 23:02 utc | 96

Added to:
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 3 2023 23:12 utc | 97
Also, it’s ‘interesting’ that the Jews didn’t arrest West Bank’s reps for suspiciously obvious reasons.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 3 2023 23:22 utc | 98

The October 18 interview, published by Politico on Saturday, is thought possibly to be Kissinger’s last. It includes the following:
I am in favor of a peaceful outcome. I don’t see a peaceful outcome with Hamas involved in the conflict. I would favor negotiations between the Arab world and Israel. I do not see, especially after these events, that direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians are very fruitful.
…
A formal peace doesn’t guarantee a lasting peace. The difficulty of the two-state solution is shown by the experience of Hamas. Gaza was made quasi-independent by [former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon in order to test the possibility of a two-state solution. It has led, in fact, to a much more complex situation. It has become so much worse in the last two years than it has been in 2005. So the two-state solution doesn’t guarantee that what we saw in the last weeks won’t happen again.
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I believe the West Bank should be put under Jordanian control rather than aim for a two-state solution which leaves one of the two territories determined to overthrow Israel. Egypt has moved closer to the Arab side, so Israel will have a very difficult time going forward. I hope that at the end of it there will be a negotiation, as I had the privilege to conduct at the end of the Yom Kippur War. At that time, Israel was stronger relative to the surrounding powers. Nowadays, it requires a greater involvement of America to prevent a continuation of the conflict.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/03/kissingers-final-interview-forget-a-palestinian-state-let-jordan-rule/

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