The IDF has adequate front line assault troops, but an unenthusiastic bench of occupying troops? They’ll shoot when shot at, but figure it’s too dangerous to go poking around? I can’t fault not being enthusiastic about risking ones life to make Netanyahu’s fantasy of a genocide come true.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 11 2023 16:40 utc | 3

Watch the 4 minute video as per tawharanui reccomendation in first comment above:
https://english.almanar.com.lb/1999164
Makes one realize the IDF is getting destroyed. Stalingrad redux

Posted by: Exile | Dec 11 2023 16:50 utc | 5

I an not a conflict expert. I simply see what had caused the strife in both the Ukraine and the Gaza strip. To this I can only say: Fuck both israel and the united states. I hope they both fall into their own pile of shit. Fuck ’em both.

Posted by: rgl | Dec 11 2023 16:57 utc | 7

I hope the israeli fuckers die in situ. Fuck them and the US

Posted by: rgl | Dec 11 2023 16:59 utc | 9

Slavyangard https://t.me/Slavyangrad/78709 reports:
The official Lebanese government and the Lebanese Armed Forces have received an ultimatum from Israel:
Israel will launch a ground operation in southern Lebanon if Hezbollah and other paramilitary forces are not withdrawn to UN Security Council-agreed positions within the next 48 hours.
Not seeing this reported anywhere else. This is pure irony, almost hilarious, that Israel is referencing a UN security council resolution….

Posted by: ctiger | Dec 11 2023 17:05 utc | 11

There are 2 videos that seem to suggest that the israeli government is going to shut the (liberal ?) newspaper Haaretz down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po9AprGTfmo
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cyLAl0btoE

Posted by: Mr. Market | Dec 11 2023 17:07 utc | 13

Has anyone else noticed a distinct reduction of reporting on the number of Palestinians being killed by Israel? Seems like essentially a blackout of news on the destruction of Gaza and the genocide of its people, along with no reporting on the massive protests against this taking place around the world.

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 11 2023 17:15 utc | 15

What kind of technology takes a boy raised from birth in a concentration camp and makes him fearless in the face of one of the most powerful armies in the world?
What technology can train men to run up to a merkava tank and place a bomb in it’s frame while surrounded by the shattered homes and the bones of his family?
What technology gives a man the courage to square off face to face with a tank in a rubble strewn alley way and let rip with an old RPG?
What technology makes a people so resilient that even when they are buried by tons of sand they are still lethal?
Your technology controls the skies,
Your technology controls the waters,
Your technology controls the land,
And yet they fight from beneath the ground where even your technology cannot reach, your a.i cannot peer.
The Rich and the Powerful stand by your side
And none but the poorest oppose you
Yet you cower in fear when faced with these warriors
Your soldiers flee in terror their diapers in disarray.
Starved of food and yet this technology let’s them fight on.
Denied water, yet their technology brings death to your soldiers.
Denied allies, yet you can only vent your rage upon their children.
And threaten all the world with wild accusations for secretly aiding them
You brag of your technology, yet the finest technology is in the hands of the Palestinians.
May they live to share this fine technology with all mankind …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2023 17:17 utc | 17

These are the usual loser’s fantasies. Haaretz will have to find some other propaganda excuse. It’s a 10 million country. They aren’t quibbling about a couple of thousand wounded.
Israel is in an existential fight, just as Russia is (but probably more). It follows that they will suffer all the wounded and the dead they need to suffer. The idea that they will back up because of real losses, much less imaginary ones, is wishful, “Ghost of Kiev”-thinking.
The reality is that the Hamas chiefs are hunkered down in their tunnels, praying to their strange and sadistic god and awaiting to die like the rats they are, whilst the Israelis (whom many here said would never be able to even enter Gaza; and other said have lost zillions of tanks; and others said were going bankrupt fast) are methodically cleaning up and doing, all things considered, quite fine on month 3.

Posted by: Augusto Pi | Dec 11 2023 17:21 utc | 19

The ten thousand wounded figure suggests KIA as high as two thousand, but the particulars of these battles make it hard to calculate. On the one hand, IDF has very good medical facilities close to the fighting, on the other hand, extracting the wounded from the battle zone may be very difficult. We won’t know until we know, if then.

Posted by: Honzo | Dec 11 2023 17:22 utc | 21

@Posted by: Augusto Pi | Dec 11 2023 17:21 utc | 19
Our very own psychopathic Hasbara (redundant) is back.

Posted by: librul | Dec 11 2023 17:27 utc | 23

This is pure irony, almost hilarious, that Israel is referencing a UN security council resolution….
Posted by: ctiger | Dec 11 2023 17:05 utc | 11
I think the real humor is in the idea that they can scare Hezbollah. Israel has had its butt kicked repeatedly by Hezbollah when they cross the border. The last thing Israel needs is to open another front (which doesn’t mean they won’t, but I think it unlikely). Once they start rolling tanks into Lebanon, they lose all leverage, not to mention burning through whatever fungibles the US has managed to scrape up for them. The west couldn’t supply Ukraine, it can’t supply a full-on war in Israel either, even after throwing Ukraine under the bus.

Posted by: Honzo | Dec 11 2023 17:30 utc | 25

How it started:
President of Ukraine had a phone call with the President of the People’s Republic of China

The President of Ukraine outlined the content of the Ukrainian Peace Formula and informed about the ongoing diplomatic work on the organization of the Global Peace Summit.

Lula and the President of the European Commission talk about the environment and trade agreement in Brasilia

For Lula, extra requirements in the environmental area presented by the European Union this year, which would provide for sanctions against Brazil, need to be revised.

Where it went:
Zelensk* confronts Viktor Orban at Javier Milei inauguration
Lula declines last-minute meeting request from Zelensk*

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 11 2023 17:37 utc | 27

The IDF reports 1593 wounded. Israeli hospitals report far higher totals (YNet mentioned 5,000). Meanwhile, CNN (https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-12-11-23/h_acd4df108094f44f674a29584974c06a) says “600 wounded.” American journalists are just amazing stenographers, they don’t even both to ask why the Israeli military gives different figures to American media than to Israeli media.

Posted by: Bob | Dec 11 2023 17:47 utc | 29

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2023 17:48 utc | 30
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Let’s hope that, unlike Hamas, Hezbollah has tens of thousands of SAMs so they can start shooting down zionist jets if they do try to bomb. Then hopefully Syria will begin defending their own airspace over Golan.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 11 2023 17:53 utc | 31

How many will there have to be to make the Zionist less bloodthirsty?
Posted by b on December 11, 2023 at 16:19 UTC | Permalink
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A lot more. Hamas has to be “all-in” now. Anything less than recognition of a Palestinian state is a failure. That won’t happen next week, but if they let up before that happens, in essence, they will have lost.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 11 2023 17:56 utc | 33

Honzo@25
It seems to me to be very likely that ‘Israel’ will open more fronts- Lebanon and Syria in particular. There are two key factors. The first is the attitude of the US and the ‘abject alliance’. They appear to have committed themselves completely, not only rushing every kind of munition to the fight but using all its auxilliary power as well. I do not doubt that the most highly trained Imperialist special forces are already in Gaza and may very well take over much of the work from the conscript units of the IDF.
Who will then be freed to undertake action against Hezbollah- in alliance with the Maronite militias, Kurds, Druze and all of the usual suspects from the war in Syria. Including, perhaps, the Turks.
The other important development has already taken place: the polls in Egypt have closed and the slim chance of embarassing the Dictator for life has receded. Which leaves him in a position to exercise a much wider range of anti-Palestinian options than he has been able to in the past couple of months.
Laguerre’s position on the matter of the Arab states and their options is, I am sure, the correct one: even when the US appeared to be hegemonic and the Princes and Amirs seemed eager to close a deal with Tel Aviv, it was clear that public opinion made any such moves impossible. Even bearing in mind that Gulf societies are peculiar in the sense that much of the work in them is carried out by migrants without rights and voices (unless you count such governments as India’s) and thus the ability of the ‘street’ to sanction government is greatly limited, still Arab opinion is almost universally pro Palestine.
And now, with the sun setting on unipolarity, what the US wants is much less important even to those like MbS who probably see themselves as half American.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 11 2023 17:58 utc | 35

All those israeli place names and person names sound like places in the Blight in The Wheel of Time series. Or names of the Forsaken.

Posted by: Michael A | Dec 11 2023 17:59 utc | 37

Is it not cøear thet the arab paøesimiams are fighting for regaining theitr homeænnd sslso?
The Paletine is the entire land bedween the Jordan and the Sea, and between Lebanon and the Nege’ev or Sinai Desents.
The State of Isrël should according tóthe dis-approved US plan of partition only encompass the Nege’ev (so that tay could have fighter air bases fór their killer planes provided by “The West” andtherwise be limited to the coastal plaines — those areas thet in the Bible were said occupied by the peoples from the seas i.e. European temporary settlers)
–
When the Zionist state was proclaimed in 1947/48 , the name “)sraël” came as a sutprise. “Izraël” had been a kingdom in the hilly lands north og Jerusalem and Judea. It s´was thus seccessary fór the Zionist Germanic (Yiddish and USien) Arian occupiers to remame that area “Samaria” for no reason at all. -he destructioín by – except to falsifie their claim to the word “Israël”.
By the way: Until I was at the age of 16, the wor “holocaust” was onlu used for the destruction og Hirôshima & Nágàsaki by atomiíc bmmbs. How come Jewish propagandists appropriated (i.e. stole) that word to cover thair favorite story about sufferings?

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Dec 11 2023 18:24 utc | 39

More than 18,000 Palestinians in Gaza have been killed in Israeli attacks since 7 October, 300 of them in the last 24 hours alone, health ministry spokesperson Ashraf al-Qedra said on Sunday. The majority of those killed are women and children.
The Israeli military is committing “horrific crimes” against civilians in Gaza, a human rights group said on Sunday.
The Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor called for an “urgent international investigation” into field executions, torture and threats of rape against Palestinians by Israeli ground forces in Gaza.
Palestinians arrested in their homes and later released told the Geneva-based group that they were stripped naked and attacked with “machine guns, electric cables and cold water.”
A 16-year-old boy told the Euro-Med Monitor that Israeli forces stormed his family’s home in Shujaiya, near Gaza City, after they were besieged for a week without food or water.
“He stated that over the past few days, Israeli forces killed everyone in his neighborhood who tried to leave their home, including [his] brother,” the rights group said.
The boy’s family were “gathered naked and handcuffed before being violently assaulted and beaten,” Euro-Med Monitor added. The teen “still does not know what happened to his mother and sisters, who were captured and kidnapped by the Israeli army.”
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/israel-committing-horrific-crimes-against-starving-civilians-gaza

Posted by: ld | Dec 11 2023 18:29 utc | 41

#1 #30 and others – I preciate.
Not to denigrate Salvyangrad (That, Bartlett, Ritter, GazaNow(in english) is my telegram sources), but we need more than one source on the israeli threat.
To go into theoretical mode, is israel up for the optics of launching raids on civilian iIt wounfrastructure far far away from Hezbollah in Beirut? Of what operational or strategic value is that action. I do not know if Hezbollah has the capabilities of grounding the bulk israeli jets, but the F-16s can not lift off from a dirty – debris strewn airfield. And what is the ration for F-35s for flight time versus maintenance.
Does Hezbollah have the capability of retrieving Sheeba farms and even going further down into some of Galiliee? To both of the questions, it would not surprise me if Hezbollah did.
I hope and pray it stays theoretical.
To the best of my knowledge the summary execution of the Palestinian men from the refugee camp did not happen. That was posted in more than one place. I am like 99% sure that the isr.occ.forces are torturing the shit out of them however, with 2 15 y.os, 1 reporter for Al-Arabiyaa and 1 or two UNRWA employeed among the tortured. Dark days and getting worse. Starvation, scant water and the destruction of sanitary faciities guarantee a synergistic exponential increase in the deaths of civilians. Dark days.
And as the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Bethlehem has proclaimed, we will not celebrate Christmas this year, Jesus is buried in the rubble in Gaza.

Posted by: paxmark1 | Dec 11 2023 18:30 utc | 43

The population of child killers in Hell has increased exponentially of late. Prognosis: this is just a fore taste of things to come, according to Lucifer

Posted by: Telegram | Dec 11 2023 18:40 utc | 45

Posted by: paxmark1 | Dec 11 2023 18:30 utc | 43

Not to denigrate Salvyangrad (That, Bartlett, Ritter, GazaNow(in english) is my telegram sources), but we need more than one source on the israeli threat.

I think here the arc of history is enough of a source.
This has happened before and ‘Israel’ has nowhere to go next but Beirut.
Lebanon is really the only victim of convenience left after the West Bank.
Can’t invade Syria, can’t invade Jordan, Can’t invade Egypt …

To go into theoretical mode, is israel up for the optics of launching raids on civilian iIt wounfrastructure far far away from Hezbollah in Beirut?

As we’ve just learned, these people don’t care about optics.

Of what operational or strategic value is that action.

Genocide and mass murder have great strategic value if you’re willing to see it through to the end, if History is anything to go by.

I do not know if Hezbollah has the capabilities of grounding the bulk israeli jets, but the F-16s can not lift off from a dirty – debris strewn airfield

We’re about to find out how far they’ve come since 2006, but at last check, no.

Does Hezbollah have the capability of retrieving Sheeba farms and even going further down into some of Galiliee?

They don’t have the numbers to hold it. To retrieve the Shebaa farms requires the destruction of the occupation and the collapse of their government.

To the best of my knowledge the summary execution of the Palestinian men from the refugee camp did not happen.

Under the current conditions of information blackout, assume the worst.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2023 18:48 utc | 47

From RT (in de EU: chrome, turnoff security and with cloudflare DNS)

Israel must wrap up its war against Hamas by the end of this year or risk losing Washington’s support for its offensive in Gaza, The Economist has reported, citing sources with knowledge of diplomatic discussions between the two allies.
International condemnation of Israel’s military operation in the densely populated enclave has steadily grown over the past nine weeks.
Citing anonymous sources, the outlet reported that US Secretary of State Antony Blinken issued a behind-closed-doors warning during a recent trip to Israel: Finish up by the end of the year, or US support may erode.
Several world leaders have echoed concerns from aid groups about a worsening humanitarian crisis in the besieged area,

Posted by: gary | Dec 11 2023 18:53 utc | 49

Posted by karlof1@16:40
There is a multiplication factor involved in the I$raeli casualty lists, both “official” and the ones from numerous O.Pal. hospitals where several posters here have cited horrific levels of wounded for the IDF. Within the fog of war, it is not possible to accurately depict the actual numbers of their KIA’s and those later expiring after evac.
Though the bereaved ones, the newly launched widows, the mothers, the sisters, the grandmothers, the aunts of those troops who are no longer vertical likely ranges between a thousand and double that figure…those now weeping and wailing, screaming and moaning I$raeli women, would already be nearing the tens of thousands. After the bereaved come the ones who are anxiously awaiting word from the hospitals on those who have been seriously wounded with missing limbs, spinal injuries and organ dysplasias…then by adding in the mentally shattered ones with PTSD and often worse; we arrive at figures which could readily mount INTO the tens of thousands.
Emotionally fractured womenfolk tend to possess a multiplication factor upon the whole of a society. Generally, much due to the mulcting of American taxpayers and tax-free donations from wealthy Talmudists, Zionists and sympathizers in the land of Uncle $hmuel…the dollars and $hekels have poured in to keep the machine going on an economic level. Uncle $hmuel is cleaning out the already diminished military supply network (due to Ukraine) in order to keep those monstrous blockbuster bombs blasting the women, children and elders suffering in Gaza.
So it ultimately comes down to which side can sustain their losses over lengthening stretches of time. I$raelis, with all those incoming funds, mostly from our ruptured republic, have middle-middle to upper-middle class living standards…for the most part. Free college education. Free medical care…not the case here in the U$$A…but world-class by most standards. Materialistically, the I$realis are doing quite well. In the process they have lost their edge. They have become soft and languorous. Were I a betting man, my wager would be that the ever suffering Palestinians cooped up in Gaza, will be capable of holding out the longest.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 11 2023 19:02 utc | 51

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2023 17:28 utc | 24
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Max Blumenthal told Daniel Davis that Israel is confiscating all anesthetics coming into Gaza from Egypt.
Makes me wonder if it is not just about denying care to Palestinians, but perhaps also supplementing their own medical resources, which surely are being stretched by the conflict.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 11 2023 19:11 utc | 53

The mighty IDF is undefeated, however, in its campaign to eradicate civilians and render Gaza a toxic hellhole uninhabitable for a decade, during which Israel will be decontaminating it with my tax dollars, over which I have absolutely no say as to how they are spent. Such a pleasure to live in the core of an Evil Imperium, is it not?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 11 2023 19:12 utc | 55

“How many will there have to be to make the Zionist less bloodthirsty?” ~b
I don’t know what you mean by this, b. I’m sure you’ve heard of Dahya Doctrine. Blood is blood. No matter whose blood, and the blood suckers want more. Dracula has a hay day in Gaza.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Dec 11 2023 19:15 utc | 57

Fck your bleating and hand wringing,hamas asked for it.
Posted by: homer d | Dec 11 2023 19:19 utc | 58
Then why is the IDF strictly targeting innocent children, women and men – as a stated and intended course of action?
Please elaborate as much as you can, oh wise one.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 11 2023 19:24 utc | 59

Posted by: librul | Dec 11 2023 17:45 utc | 28
Exactly. I’ve been nose deep in the work of Michael Collins Piper lately, mainly out of sheer curiosity in the wake of the anniversaries of JFK and Lennon’s deaths. I have not made up my mind yet, and I wish he’d actually use footnotes for some of the claims he makes, but I do think there’s a lot of merit to the idea he calls a “template for terror.” The Mossad operates without concern for human life, whether Israeli or other, in the pursuit of their dastardly goals. When you have high level cover for such activities in Washington D.C., Brussels, London and Tel Aviv, it’s a lot easier to continue getting away with it.
I have no doubts that there was a stand-down or selective stand-down on October 7 and that there was foreknowledge/forewarning and last minute phone calls and meetings on October 6 and in the early morning of the 7th. Select members of Shin Bet and the Mossad with need to know access were aware something big was coming and, as is their “template”, they piggybacked their own plans onto those of Hamas for greater theatrical and political effect.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 11 2023 19:34 utc | 61

FAKE: The IDF is a powerful and well trained military force.
REALITY: The IDF consists of mostly inadequately trained draftees whose “combat experience” is limited to oppression and repression of unarmed and poor Arab.
The IDF’s reputation for excellence has always been based on defeating poorly trained, poorly led and unmotivated soldiers… 1948, 1968, 1973… Entebbe…!!! In what universe does defeating Idi Amin Dada’s thugs constitute a glorious victory? The IDF fraud is up… they can only fight against untrained thugs, and even then… I only if they have technological supremacy.
The presence of US Navy Carrier Strike Groups is telling… the Pentagon believes Israel is facing an existential threat. The Israeli threats to Lebanon are yet another clue Zionists are scared sh*tless.
With a few well placed missiles, Hezbollah can destroy Israel’s 5 desalination plants and Israel becomes Gaza in terms of water supply. AND / OR Hezbollah could fire swarms of missiles at Israel’s gas infrastructure… and Israel becomes Gaza in energy supplies…
Strikes against desalination plants and/or gas extraction plants would cause minimum casualties but literally destroy the state of Israel.
What is Hezbollah waiting for?
One can

Posted by: Joseph B | Dec 11 2023 19:40 utc | 63

It would be most ironic if one reason that IDF soldiers are dying or suffering severe injuries is that getting first aid to them and then evacuating them to the closest hospital are made difficult by the IDF’s own actions in destroying civilian infrastructure in the areas where the soldiers need to infiltrate to find Hamas fighters.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 11 2023 19:49 utc | 65

Despite AU media only reporting Hammas atrocity propaganda there have been pro-Palestine protests for 9 weekends. As ever, our media and politicians do not represent the public.
Except that… the consumer of orgy of Christmas seems to be ramping up without concern for anything. It has always appeared obscene to me. Then during wars/crashes/covids I was like “surely there has to be some effect on the xmas bullshit”… but no effect as far as I could tell. And now… two million people have had fuck all food or water or safe shelter for two months… and Santa is still coming to town?!?!?!?!

Posted by: Rae | Dec 11 2023 20:11 utc | 67

Love Donbass @ 36
Hail Mary or suicide pact? A scenario for Samson Doctrine? Any way you look at it a desperation move when losing.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 11 2023 20:15 utc | 69

Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 11 2023 20:14 utc | 68
Seems like Elijah may be prognosticating more than relaying any concrete statements from the parties involved re: Hezbollah, Iraqi resistance, etc.
Wouldn’t it be something, though, if the US was drawn into a major regional conflict and forced out of Iraq and Syria once and for all. No matter what, this has turned into a major PR disaster for Uncle Scam and any “response” alluded to by the CIA chief (interesting in and of itself that the CIA and not DoD is doing the talking) will definitely make the optics unbearable to the majority of the American people.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 11 2023 20:22 utc | 71

Max Blumenthal told Daniel Davis that Israel is confiscating all anesthetics coming into Gaza from Egypt.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 11 2023 19:11 utc | 53
If it is true and I hope to God it is not, I think it’s because they are sadistic. They want the population to suffer and it will also contribute to the death rate.

Posted by: pq | Dec 11 2023 20:27 utc | 73

asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل
@asadabukhalil
I am curious: where does Blinken normally see scenes of sexual violence, unless he inadvertently revealed his viewing habits:
“Blinken says sexual violence by Hamas ‘beyond anything that I’ve seen’”
https://twitter.com/asadabukhalil/status/1734276955330224640

Posted by: Menz | Dec 11 2023 20:59 utc | 75

Menz | Dec 11 2023 20:59 utc | 75
Projection is always a good rule of thumb when it comes to US UK propaganda.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 11 2023 21:06 utc | 77

Bot “Augusto Pi” 19
Yes, you just keep telling yourself that, old chap.

Posted by: anon | Dec 11 2023 21:14 utc | 79

Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 11 2023 20:22 utc | 71
“if the US was drawn into a major regional conflict and forced out of Iraq and Syria once and for all”
I am thinking this is the real reason the two carrier groups are there; evacuate the usurpers.

Posted by: George | Dec 11 2023 21:23 utc | 81

Haven’t posted here for ages, but b’s post reminded me of something I was told over 40 years ago that might have some relevance here.
The first few lines… “the military is amazed at the scale of Hamas’ strength…” And “The resistance is stubborn…”
I was told that the North Vietnamese, or more specifically Ho Chi Minh, were great readers and admirers of the American revolutionary Thomas Paine. The basic idea they took from Paine (and this is probably an oversimplification) was that you can lose many (most?) of the battles and still win the war. Not for a second saying it’s easy or simple, but if you can outlast your invader – having the means and determination to do so – they will at some point give up.
Does IDF really understand who and what they are dealing with? Has Hamas prepared and learned how to apply this particular lesson from history?

Posted by: NotBob | Dec 11 2023 21:30 utc | 83

In 1944, Allied forces claimed that the ancient monastery of Monte Cassino was being used by the Germans as an observation post to direct artillery fire (it wasn’t – the German commander, a devout Catholic, respected the sanctity of the site.)
Allied air forces blasted the monastery to smithereens, reducing it to a heap of rubble.
German forces then moved into the jumble of ruins and fought successfully from the rubble. Because it was no longer a religious site – just a pile of rubble. The German 1st Parachute Division, the very best troops in the German Army, defended their positions for months against everything that was thrown against them, until they were eventually outflanked and forced to withdraw.
We now hear much hasbara about how Hamas fighters emerged from a hospital/ mosque/ school/ whatever, to attack Zionist forces. But there are now no such buildings left in Gaza – they have all been destroyed by Zionist carpet bombing and are indistinguishable from the rest of the moonscape created by our bloodthirsty Zionist chums. So they are not violating the status of such sites, hospitals, mosques etc. They are just fighting from the rubble. Israel has destroyed those buildings and Hamas is now perfectly entitled to launch its attacks from whatever piece of rubble they find convenient.

Posted by: anon | Dec 11 2023 21:43 utc | 85

Posted by: NotBob | Dec 11 2023 21:30 utc | 83
«Not for a second saying it’s easy or simple, but if you can outlast your invader – having the means and determination to do so – they will at some point give up.»
That often fails. The New England rebels had the advantage of being funded and supported by the French Empire and of having much shorter supply lines than the royalists, for example. The USA strategy in Vietnam was not about defeating North Vietnam, for example. Iraq and Afghanistan were also great USA victories, contrarily to appearances, at least as the usual delusionalists see them.
«Does IDF really understand who and what they are dealing with? Has Hamas prepared and learned how to apply this particular lesson from history?»
Many palestinians fantasize the parallel with the crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem, that lasted only 120-200 years, and are simply waiting for the second Saladdin to come and do them the favour of throwing the stardaviders back into the sea. Guess what’s the name of the main road through Gaza…
But several millions of fanatical nuclear armed zionists are not the same thing as a bunch of looting feudal lords. The IDF I guess have a mix of the Masada fantasy and the Bar Kokhba fantasy instead.

Posted by: Blissex | Dec 11 2023 21:51 utc | 87

How long will the Jewish crusade to seize Outremer last?
Nit much longer.

Posted by: kerdasi amaq | Dec 11 2023 21:55 utc | 89

This is pure irony, almost hilarious, that Israel is referencing a UN security council resolution….
Posted by: ctiger | Dec 11 2023 17:05 utc | 11
Rather, it is pure cynicism.

Posted by: RJPJR | Dec 11 2023 22:09 utc | 91

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 11 2023 21:45 utc | 86
There is also the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/may/27/libya-water-hidden-weapon
https://www.iai.it/en/pubblicazioni/beyond-hydrocarbons-libyas-blue-gold

It may seem hard to believe today, but back in 2011 Libya’s water resources were described as sufficient to start an agribusiness sector similar in scale to that of California’s San Joaquin Valley. Israel and Egypt would represent the only agri-business competitors in the southern Mediterranean region but Libya could surpass both if its extensive water resources were managed correctly.

I’ve read that Gaddafi was also openly questioning Israel’s nuclear arsenal. That certainly didn’t help JFK.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 11 2023 22:26 utc | 93

I got email from the United States Campaign for Palestinian Rights – USCPR – that around 50 protesters got arrested this morning for taking the protest to the senate atrium. So I sent them another donation of $50. They do great work and I just thought anyone else here at MOA feeling helpless because of being physically unable to go protest yourself might like to contribute, too.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Dec 11 2023 22:28 utc | 95

According to the IOF website, since the end of the truce 33 Israeli soldiers have been killed in action in the Gaza Strip between 1st and 10 December. If things continue at this rate (around a hundred soldiers killed every month), the long war planned by the Israeli government to “totally eliminate” Hamas will be VERY costly.

10 December 2023
• Master Sgt, (res.) Ari Yehiel Zenilman, 32, of Jerusalem – Battalion 8111, 5th Infantry Brigade. Fell in combat in the Gaza Strip. 
• Cpt. (res.) Eliya Yanovsky, 24, of Jerusalem – Platoon Commander, Battalion 8111, 5th Infantry Brigade. Fell in combat in the Gaza Strip. 
• Maj. (res.) Roman Bronshtein, 46, of Bat Yam – Training Officer, Battalion 8111, 5th Infantry Brigade. Fell in combat in the Gaza Strip.
• Maj. (res.) Evyatar Cohen, 42, of Kfar Saba – Battalion 8111, 5th Infantry Brigade. Fell in combat in the Gaza Strip.
• Sgt. Maj. (res.) Etay Perry, 36, of Modi’in – Battalion 8111, 5th Infantry Brigade. Fell in combat in the Gaza Strip.
• Sgt. Maj. (res.) Gideon Ilani, 35, of Asa’el – Battalion 2855, 55th (Tip of the Spear) Paratroopers Brigade. Fell in combat in the Gaza Strip.
• Lt. Nethanel Menachem Eitan, 22, of Jerusalem – Officer cadet, Geffen Battalion, IDF Officer Training School. Previously served in Special Tactics Rescue Unit 669 of the Israel Air Force. He succumbed today to severe injuries sustained in combat in the northern Gaza Strip on Friday, 8 December.
8 December 2023
• Staff Sgt. Jonatan Dean Jr Haim – 603rd (Lahav/Blade) Armored Engineer Battalion, 7th (Storm from the Golan) Armored Brigade. Fell in battle in the southern Gaza Strip.
•  Master Sgt. (res.) Naftali Yonah Gordon, 32, of Jerusalem – 53rd Battalion, 188th (Barak) Armored Brigade. Fell in battle in the Gaza Strip.
• Master Sgt. (res.) Liav Atiya, 25, of beer Sheva – 6623 Reconnaissance Battalion, 55th (Tip of the Spear) Paratroopers Brigade. Fell in combat in the southern Gaza Strip.
• Master Sgt. (res.) Omri Ben Shachar, 25, of Givatayim – 6623 Reconnaissance Battalion, 55th (Tip of the Spear) Paratroopers Brigade. Fell in combat in the southern Gaza Strip.
• Sgt. Maor Cohen Eisenkot, 19, of Eilat – 12th Battalion, Golani Infantry Brigade. Fell in battle in the Gaza Strip
7 December 2023
• Master Sgt. (res.) Eyal Meir Berkowitz, 28, of Jerusalem – Battalion 699, 551st (Hetzei Ha-Esh/Arrows of Fire) Paratroopers Brigade. Fell in combat in the northern Gaza Strip.
• Sgt. 1st Class (res.) Omri Rot, 25, of Katzrin – 53rd Battalion, 188th (Barak) Armored Brigade. Fell in battle in the Gaza Strip.
• Sgt. Maj. (res.) Jonathan David Deitch, 34, of Harish – 6623 Reconnaissance Battalion, 55th (Tip of the Spear) Paratroopers Brigade. Fell in combat in the southern Gaza Strip.
• Sgt. Maj. (res.) Kobi Dvash, 41, of Tiberias – 271st Combat Engineer Battalion, 14th (Machatz) Armored Brigade. Fell in combat in the southern Gaza Strip. 
• Master Sgt. (res.) Gal Meir Eisenkot, 25, of Herzliya – Battalion 699, 551st (Hetzei Ha-Esh/Arrows of Fire) Paratroopers Brigade. Fell in combat in the northern Gaza Strip.
6 December 2023
• Sgt. 1st Class (res.) Maor Gershoni, 24, of Yokneam Illit – 8173 Combat Engineer Battalion, Etzioni Infantry Brigade. Fell in combat in the Gaza Strip. 
• Staff Sgt. Alemnew Emanuel Feleke, 22, of Kiriat Gat – Unit 217 (Duvdevan), Commando Brigade. Succumbed to wounds sustained in combat in the southern Gaza Strip on 5 December 2023
• Staff Sgt. Amit Bonzel, 22, of Shoham – 5135th (Flying Serpent) Patrol Battalion, 35th Paratroopers Brigade. Fell in combat in the central Gaza Strip.
• Sgt. Maj. (res.) Adi Shani, 39, of Tzur Yitzhak – Reconnaissance Company, Division Logistics Brigade, 36th (Ga’ash/Rage) Division. Fell in combat in the Gaza Strip
5 December 2023
• Sgt. 1st Class (res.) Yehonatan Malka, 23, of Beer Sheva – 82nd Battalion, 7th Armored Brigade. Fell in battle in the central Gaza Strip.
• Master Sgt. (res.) Ilay Eliyahu Cohen, 23, of Moshav Beit Nehemia, Battalion 7008, 551st (Hetzei Ha-Esh/Arrows of Fire) Paratroopers Brigade. Fell in battle in the Gaza Strip.
• Master Sgt. (res.) Matan Damari, 31, of Dimona – Reconnaissance Company, 215th Brigade, Artillery Corps. Fell in battle in the Gaza Strip
4 December 2023
• Cpt. Yahel Gazit, 21, pf Rakefet – Deputy Company Commander, 53rd Battalion, 188th Armored Brigade. Fell in battle in the Gaza Strip.
• Master Sgt. (res.) Gil Daniels, 34, of Ashdod – Battalion.6261, Brigade 261. Fell in battle in the Gaza Strip.
• Cpt. Eitan Fisch, 23, of Pedu’el – 53rd Battalion, 188th Armored Brigade. Fell in battle in the Gaza Strip.
• Sgt. Yakir Yedidya Schenkolewski, 21, of Migdal Oz – 53rd Battalion, 188th Armored Brigade. Fell in battle in the Gaza Strip.
• Staff Sgt. Tuval Yaakov Tsanani, 20, of Kiriat Gat – 53rd Battalion, 188th Armored Brigade. Fell in battle in the Gaza Strip
3 December 2023
• Sgt. Binyamin Yehoshua Needham, 19, of Zikhron Ya’akov – Combat Engineer, 401st (Iron Tracks) Armored Brigade. Fell in battle in the northern Gaza Strip.
• Sgt. Maj. (res.) Neriya Shaer, 36, of Yavne – Battalion 6655, 55th (Tip of the Spear) Paratroopers Brigade. Fell in battle in the northern Gaza Strip. 
• Sgt. 1st Class (res.) Ben Zussman, 22, of Jerusalem – Combat Engineer, 401st (Iron Tracks) Armored Brigade. Fell in battle in the northern Gaza Strip.
2 December 2023
• Sgt. 1st Class (res.) Or Brandes, 25, of Shoham – 82nd Battalion, 7th Armored Brigade. Fell in battle in the central Gaza Strip

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