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December 24, 2023
Merry X-mas

For some, this will unfortunately not be a merry one.

Still, all good to them and their families.


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‘If Jesus was born today, he’d be born under the rubble’: Bethlehem set for forlorn Christmas

May peace be with you.

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Hard to celebrate the birth of Jesus while his cousins are buried under the rubble of Gaza.
Merry Christmas to you b, you are a force in the fight for Social Justice.
…..and a Merry Christmas to all barflies….. ya’ll keep the place hoppin’
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 24 2023 14:41 utc | 1

ard to celebrate the birth of Jesus while his cousins are buried under the rubble of Gaza.
Merry Christmas to you b, you are a force in the fight for Social Justice.
…..and a Merry Christmas to all barflies….. ya’ll keep the place hoppin’
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 24 2023 14:41 utc | 1
Not celebrating at my house; no presents, no Xmas dinner and no decorations.
It’s not much but it’s the least I can do.
My daughter in law is furious at me….

Posted by: canuck | Dec 24 2023 14:48 utc | 2

it is very difficult to find an inner peace whlist watching for example such events in Palestine .. world disasters….famines …all suffering from malnutrition and lack of water and health services .. poverty.. injustice… unnecessary harms and suffering.
Somehow we must call upon ourselves and others to find the inner strength to increase our senses of compassion and concerns for worldwide peace and justice amongst all this ….and embrace it to send out thoughts and prayers for peace .. if we are not able to physically assist in the resolution of such these issues and their needs.
With best wishes and hearfelt thanks for this most necessary website .. and for all those independant thinkers . writers journalists …reporters determined and dedicated to bring us truths and expose falsehoods.Free Julian Assange.

Posted by: Jo | Dec 24 2023 15:00 utc | 3

One of the things I greatly appreciate about b and the barflies is that they don’t save their moral outrage for the holidays, and they don’t put it on hold then, either.

Posted by: Honzo | Dec 24 2023 15:15 utc | 4

I have a red checkered qaffiya hanging in my third-floor front window, though not very visible from the street. Maybe this is just some lame virtue signalling, on the other hand, inside my grief for the Palestinians gnaws away at me. My best to b and everyone who frequents his superb blog.

Posted by: Quentin | Dec 24 2023 15:19 utc | 5

Happy holiday season to all the people of goodwill.
People of goodwill do exist, independently of their religion or absence of.

Posted by: W | Dec 24 2023 15:51 utc | 6

Merry CHristmas, enjoy the time with family and some time off.. thank you for all your efforts going back all the way to ‘going to tehran!!’..

Posted by: Rd | Dec 24 2023 15:52 utc | 7

we had a procession here last week honoring our Lady Tonantzin the Virgin of Guadalupe, from a park winding thru the (mainly Mexican) neighborhoods and to a catholic church. There is a melding of native and christian beliefs in many indigenous communities. It provided a degree of hope to all who participated. May peace be with b and readers here, may there be peace in occupied Palestine.

Posted by: Osori | Dec 24 2023 16:08 utc | 8

B. “Danke sehr” for all your fine work by enabling this fine site, where truth is “nicht verboten”. Many come here to share insights and opinions. It is one of those glowing centers of light, so desperately needed in this time of political and economic insanity, concocted by the few against the many.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 24 2023 16:11 utc | 9

Merry Christmas to All…
Yesterday I saw this web page with pictures of Christmas in many places in the world, and reflected how this is one aspect of European-Western culture which I find both beautiful and worthy. We are unpopular these days and demonized by all and sundry, having done our share of demonizing in times past, but not all about Western civilization is bad, indeed much was good, although that is the part that is fading the most it seems.
On that whimsical note, an erudite piece yesterday by the Christian Theologian David Bentley Hart about the passing of the West. In a post a few days ago I said that the Fall of the West began in 1914. He somewhat agrees, although places the roots of that fall in the Wars of Religion in the sixteenth and seventeenth century, which sounds right to me, after which came The Enlightenment which was anything but.
https://davidbentleyhart.substack.com/p/from-a-lost-world

A blessed Christmas to all who keep the feast; and many blessings to all, of whatever observance.
[2014:] This year, of course, we mark the centenary of the beginning of the end. It was in July of 1914 that European Civilization entered its final death throes, the last convulsions of which would not subside for more than thirty years. After that, not even the illusions remained. The great Western project of secular modernity that had begun with the wars of the emergent nation state back in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries (conflicts that history, with her superb talent for hidden ironies, calls the “Wars of Religion”) had reached its logically ineluctable conclusion, carrying away the feeble remnants of Christendom on tides of human blood. Since then, the great moral mission of Western European society has been to arrange the debris in as attractive a style as possible, and to try to translate irreversible decline and disenchantment into some kind of humane ethos.
Even though, however, we cannot help but commemorate the start of the Great War this year, it is not an event we can really remember—and not only because practically no one is now alive who has any personal recollection of it. We owe some sort of reverent reflection to those who perished over the following four years (at least, I like to think we do), but the sheer scale of the cataclysm simply defies the scope of any rational imagination. There are those still among us, true, who have vivid memories of the utter brutality of the Second World War. My father, who passed away just this last year, lived through some of the most savage fighting in the European theater, during the push across France into Germany—in the Vosges Mountains, at Bitche, street to street in Heilbronn, and so on—and he experienced horrors that he never related to me or my brothers when we were growing up, but that left an indelible impress upon his mind. Yet even he, he told me more than once, found it impossible imaginatively to encompass the sheer barbarity and madness of the Great War.
For myself, in my private meditations, if I want to do some sort of justice to the memory of those whose lives were stolen away by the monstrous imbecility of the war that began in 1914, I have to think in epitomes. One can lament millions of deaths, but not really properly mourn them; it is possible, though, to fix one’s thoughts and, to some degree, one’s emotions on certain individuals. And lately, as I have been considering this approaching centennial, I have been thinking repeatedly about two figures, out of the very many who might have occurred to me: Henri Alban-Fournier (1886-1914), the French novelist who wrote under the name of Alain-Fournier, and George Butterworth (1885-1916), the English composer.
As their dates indicate, neither man lived long; and, consequently, neither left behind him a particularly weighty collection of completed works. Both produced art of extraordinarily wistful tenderness, in some ways unfinished or even immature, but perhaps for that very reason almost excruciatingly evocative; and everything they created bore unambiguous signs of genius. But there is not much of it. Alain-Fournier is remembered principally as the author of a single novel, Le Grand Meaulnes (1913), a small glittering masterpiece whose popularity has never waned in France, and a book that is among the most widely and frequently translated of the twentieth century. Butterworth’s entire published oeuvre consists in three short exquisitely lyrical orchestral pieces—Two English Idylls (1911), A Shropshire Lad (1911), and Banks of Green Willow (1913)—a song cycle of poems by W. E. Henley called Love Blows as the Wind Blows, which exists in three variants (1911-1914), and twenty-six other song-settings (many of poems by A. E. Housman); there also exists a suite for string quartet (1910), but it is never performed or recorded. One can read Alain-Fournier’s novel in an afternoon, and can listen to all of Butterworth’s music (including all three versions of the song cycle) in just under two hours. And yet it would be difficult to find two artists whose work more forcefully summons up a sense of what the Great War and its historical sequels destroyed forever.

I read Le Grand Meaulnes in French at age seventeen living in a chateau in the Loir et Cher (my refuge from English public school!). It left a lasting mood impression though I cannot recall a single detail of either plot or characters therein. The mood was indeed quintessence of nostalgia. Meanwhile, many aspects of European culture live on, as the lovely scenes captured on this linked thread vividly attest:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1738216361661231354.html

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 24 2023 16:18 utc | 10

merry christmas b and all the gentle and wise posters at moa!!

Posted by: james | Dec 24 2023 16:21 utc | 11

Best Wishes to All
May the Martyrs of Gaza Rest In Paradise

Posted by: ld | Dec 24 2023 16:27 utc | 12

Osori. My family used to spend Christmas in Mexico every few years, it is the only place I have ever really enjoyed the holiday, It is without commercialism and seems to be taken for what is is rather then what the shopping centers want you to think. This year my family is meeting in a one room cabin, my girls asked that our gifts be donations to Palestine. We are trying to figure that out tonight as no one can get aid in right now. We will start with a law group in NY that is taking on clients who have been attacked in some way for supporting Palestine.
B your place is a home for many of us, how do we thank you enough for this! The folks who post here are what gets me through the day
Thank you

Posted by: Susan | Dec 24 2023 16:32 utc | 13

Frohe Weihnachten!
Merry Christmas!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9jbdgZidu8

Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 24 2023 16:42 utc | 14

Joyeux Noël!
Feliz Navidad!
Feliz Natal!

Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 24 2023 16:45 utc | 15

If Jesus was born today, there would be no demonic Islam and no Palestinians. Jews would have remained and lived uninterrupted for the last 2,000 years in land that God of Israel promised them.

Posted by: Rivers | Dec 24 2023 16:51 utc | 16

Merry Christmas, Bernhardt.
(This too shall pass, so be of good cheer and trust in the ultimate Victory of Truth over Lies. There is “no escape”. That is a matter decreed.)
Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all.

Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 24 2023 16:52 utc | 17

“If theere ever was a jesus he’d be turning in his grave”
He can’t turn in his grave as he rose from the dead.

Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 24 2023 16:53 utc | 18

Scorpion….
Another novel which I think beautifully explores what was lost in the insane conflagration which began in 1914 is Virginia Woolf’s To The Lighthouse..
Many of the men sacrificed by the UK were irreplaceable..Tolkien only survived because he was badly wounded at the Somme and invalided out..Of his Oxford friends, only one survived…

Posted by: pyrrhus | Dec 24 2023 16:57 utc | 19

Happy Xmas all!

Posted by: PalmaSailor | Dec 24 2023 16:58 utc | 20

Peace to all, even the wicked may God soften their hearts and help them find compassion for their fellow man.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 24 2023 17:05 utc | 21

Susan number 16
thank you, y bendiciones sobre ti y tus amadas.

Posted by: Osori | Dec 24 2023 17:08 utc | 22

Merry Christmas, though I’m suspicious about a happy new year, each new one seems to outdo the last…

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 24 2023 17:11 utc | 23

Scorpion….
Another novel which I think beautifully explores what was lost in the insane conflagration which began in 1914 is Virginia Woolf’s To The Lighthouse..
Many of the men sacrificed by the UK were irreplaceable..Tolkien only survived because he was badly wounded at the Somme and invalided out..Of his Oxford friends, only one survived…
Posted by: pyrrhus | Dec 24 2023 16:57 utc | 24
Love that book.
WW1 was an insane affair however, unlike today’s wars, at least the Aristos fought on the front and died.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 24 2023 17:14 utc | 24

Merry Xmas, B and Barflies.

Posted by: Alex Cox | Dec 24 2023 17:16 utc | 25

Wishing you all a peaceful holiday and a good Christmas.
Thanks to b.
Am grateful for this forum.

Posted by: Pq | Dec 24 2023 17:34 utc | 26

Merry Christmas to you as well, B! Stay curious – and skeptical.

Posted by: Mark | Dec 24 2023 17:38 utc | 27

Thanks b.
Merry X-mas to you, too.
Sad times, indeed. No words.
Will you, won’t you, do you, don’t you know when a head’s dead
https://youtu.be/IKAmznY8NZs?feature=shared

Posted by: john | Dec 24 2023 17:44 utc | 28

A modern day nativity would have three wise men held up at the Gilo checkpoint and the myrrh confiscated.

Posted by: robin | Dec 24 2023 17:57 utc | 29

God Jul & Gott Nytt År!

Posted by: blueswede 🎅 | Dec 24 2023 18:08 utc | 30

Happy Christmas b, profit from the love and blessings all around while we still have them, in case they slip through our fingers in the future.
The same to all barflies, wherever they may be.

Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 24 2023 18:10 utc | 31

Many wishes to all barflies i know over the years , and the new ones which I still learn to know, have all Merry Christmas, and a better New year than this wretched 2023.
And many Thanks to our host and Best Wishes!

Posted by: fanto | Dec 24 2023 18:32 utc | 32

Christmas tidings to b. and the barflies.
Its an odd year in southeast Dakota, my lawn has never been this green on Dec 24. Take it for what’s it worth.
Humans have always walked the line between darkness and light, between good and evil. God gave us free will and we do what we do with it. Jesus came to give us the ability to set tings right between God and us individually and not fix the human dialectic. Not at this time. We do as we can as individuals and as collectives. Evil will persist and so will goodness. The evil ones will have to answer for their deeds one way or another. We can help that along as we can but we can’t eliminate evil on our own.
I suspect that 2024 will be a very, very interesting year. May you enjoy this time with the ones you love but be brave enough to be the contrarian. It won’t get you that many likes on facebook but at least you’ve put the truth out there for others to see. Later…

Posted by: DakotaRog | Dec 24 2023 18:40 utc | 33

My Christmas wish is that commentators on the Ukrainian war, ( not b, but you know who you are), stop referring to the Ukrainian armed forces as “meat”; it is dehumanising and deeply insulting. It belongs in the same category as Israelis referring to Palestinians as “cockroaches “.
Many, if not the majority of Ukraine’s war dead never had a choice; grant them their humanity please.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Dec 24 2023 18:49 utc | 34

Thank you for the wish for peace, b. May peace be with you also! Merry Christmas, such as it is, to you and to all the barflies.
Hey if anyone has 20 minutes to spare Canada’s Five Eyes department, the Communications Security Establishment, has a compilation of Get Cyber Safe carols. …
https://x.com/cse_cst/status/1737205006762234072

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Dec 24 2023 18:56 utc | 35

Merry Christmas to all the folks at the bar from the Ozarks.
“Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace, goodwill toward men!”

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Dec 24 2023 19:12 utc | 36

Right back at ya…
You are a very brave man b, taking on the blob directly. I wish you and your loved ones, the happiest of times over the festive.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 24 2023 19:32 utc | 37

Wishing all regular MoA barflies and readers a safe and holy Christmas in 2023.
Thanks B for all your posts and the hard work you have put into this blog over the past year. Hoping you have a relaxing time with you family over the next several days.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 24 2023 19:51 utc | 38

Sorry for the repost, but got the wrong thread 9n the first.
B, especially, and to all others here reading this: This place is a ray of light in the dark. I don’t post much as there are many here worth reading, and I was brought up to listen rather than speak. To all of you, and all of yours, the very best wishes for the season.

Posted by: dask | Dec 24 2023 19:54 utc | 39

Merry/Happy Christmas to our wise and gracious host and to all the barflies I have learned so much from these last two years. The world is a mess for sure, but I also see a lot of suffering right in front of my eyes,in my little corner of America, including friends and family members who are struggling. So please say a prayer for those of us living in the belly of the Beast, we need them too.
Peace and Joy,
Chris

Posted by: KMRIA | Dec 24 2023 20:03 utc | 40

Peace be with you B. To all the barflies, Peace be with you.
A sad season this year. Mostly, Peace for Palestinians, peace for Palestine.

Posted by: annie | Dec 24 2023 20:03 utc | 41

Ozark Christmas Card for the barflies: https://folkpotpourri.com/christmas-tree-in-the-ozark-woods/

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Dec 24 2023 20:09 utc | 42

There was apparently an interesting interview with Arestovich (posted on Slavyangrad) wherein he states that the Ukrainians should realize that all the killing and dying is getting them no where and they should settle their differences and collaborate to make lawsuit against the west for what has been caused in Ukraine. What a perfect wish for the this holiday season. I wish for us all some wisdom and more patience and understanding (empathy).
I wish that the sympathizers in US will organize and deliver a retirement for Biden and his staff Not meaning to be political, but the electorate needs to send a clear message.
And I wish B and all readers and posters on his excellent blog a peaceful, thoughtful, low stress, forgiving Christmas time.

Posted by: jared | Dec 24 2023 20:13 utc | 43

The US public in particular needs to be made aware that the Palestinian Christian community exists. How about a “Help Christians in Palestine” infomercial like you see all the time late night?…

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 24 2023 20:36 utc | 44

Posted by: canuck | Dec 24 2023 14:48 utc | 2
The daughter in law being furious was the sweetener? 🙂

Posted by: Stephane | Dec 24 2023 21:59 utc | 45

…..and a Merry Christmas to all barflies….. ya’ll keep the place hoppin’
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 24 2023 14:41 utc | 1
That’s the spirit! Merry Christmas to the bar and to all a good night. Drinks on me you savy, intelligent, freedom loving spirits struggling for truth in a dark age.
Have a drink tonight and have no compunction about educating any youth you encounter over the holidays. They need to know the truth about Ukraine, Israel, and US imperialism!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 24 2023 23:24 utc | 46

Imagine lunatics taking over your country and changing the date you traditionally celebrate Christmas.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67816987
Said Zelensky, “We all celebrate Christmas together. On the same date, as one big family, as one nation, as one united country”
…unless you speak Russian and identify as ethnically Russian, then we’ll ban your language, burn you alive, fire NATO missiles at you every day for ten years, then we change the date of Christmas.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Dec 24 2023 23:29 utc | 47

Gaza is the Ghost of Christmas Present, appropriately modeled by a Bethlehem church as Jesus in the rubble, this terrible year.
The Ghost of Christmas Past is what the season once meant to children such as myself: wonderful legends of a mythological essence called human kindness. The scintillating magic of traditional forms — Bach on a cathedral organ. Unforgettable, and also forgotten.
The Ghost of Christmas Future? That would be Christmas 2024. People get ready.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 24 2023 23:38 utc | 48

It was an Israeli inn
And there was no room
It was an Israeli king
And he slaughtered children
To save himself as king
Did he?
The first Christmas
Only the ass and ox smiled.
Wise men then and now are following a star
Alleluia, alleluia
Let Us Have Peace, never more needed than now
Blessings, martyred children all, blessings on you all.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 24 2023 23:54 utc | 49

@60 Juliania
Amen
The martyred children are now and forever in His care. It’s the living ones who still suffer. A tribute to them from an old man whose only help is a few words – but maybe words of hope and encouragement. May God bless them all. https://folkpotpourri.com/the-lonely-tears-of-palestine/

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Dec 25 2023 0:19 utc | 50

Season’s greetings to b and to all who strive for peace and justice.
This blog remains a beacon of hope.
Thanks b and thanks to all who contribute to the debate.
Peace be upon you !

Posted by: Engineer-John | Dec 25 2023 0:45 utc | 51

The hamartia of the tragedy of our race is the Fall. The catharsis is the Crucifixion. As we celebrate the First Advent of our Lord, the Infinite as the Infant, and embrace the joy of that promise fulfilled; so let us have hope in His Second Advent in which all things in Him will be made New. Until then, we must live in the tension of a fallen creation with the attendant evils. Let us recognize them and call them out so that Truth, Beauty and Goodness can shine through. Merry Christmas to all of the barflies!!!

Posted by: Robert Peters | Dec 25 2023 1:33 utc | 52

Merry Unorthodox Christmas!
https://ragheadthefiendlyterrorist.wordpress.com/2023/12/25/christmas-card/

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 25 2023 1:56 utc | 53

Hamas would have hidden rocket launchers in the manger and used the baby Jesus as a human shield.
Posted by: Rivers | Dec 24 2023 18:12 utc | 37

You murdering filth simply cannot help yourselves can you? Celebrate the death of children all you like. It will not bring the victory you seek.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 25 2023 3:04 utc | 54

“A Comment on This Christmas Eve & Day” and hope that this will be the final Christmas that occurs during wartime and Genocide.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 25 2023 3:10 utc | 55

When the Guardian and B are one the same Meme you should know something is wrong!
Are they are both tentacles of the same octopus? These animals are quite intelligent, can camouflage very well, throw up ink cloud screens to obscure.
The globalist WEF was betting on the CPC fueled by ME oil with the BIS, Wall street and the City as financiers. Ukraine was a nice distraction but war on Arabs or Chinese are a big No-No in their set up.
Operation Paperclip in 1945 was THE trick that kept Nazism alive: not only scientists were imported into the USA but many others into the FBI and pre CIA. The results are visible today in the US election battle and in the anti Israel swing.

Posted by: Antonym | Dec 25 2023 3:11 utc | 56

Happy holidays Bernhard and fellow barflies!
Another trip around the sun and here we are again. Are we getting where we need to go? I think so but am pained by the path. Why can’t it all be love and sharing instead of the barbarism we are watching expressed by the petulant children of our species.
I hope that all of us doing the best we can moves us forward into a more peaceful world.
Blessings to everything/one!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 25 2023 3:40 utc | 57

A lesbian nativity scene in in the province of Avellino, Italy, with “tens-of-thousands” protesting to the Vatican as RT reports. IMO, the myth is that Mary is a virgin who was somehow impregnated implying that the God responsible must be male. But does that actually hold since God supposedly created all and everything including the various genders Nature displays and thus could easily impregnate most anything it desired. The upshot is Mary didn’t even need Joseph and could easily have had a woman partner. But then I’m not religious, so I’m open to that sort of myth. I liked George Lucas’s idea that the body itself generated Shmi’s pregnancy with Nature itself being Force/God. How many virgin birth myths preceded that ascribed to Mary and Joseph, and in how many different cultures?

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 25 2023 4:05 utc | 58

„If Jesus was born today …” Who is Jesus?
Posted by: Konrad | Dec 25 2023 4:00 utc | 71
Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am?
16 Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 16 15:17

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Dec 25 2023 4:10 utc | 59

From karlof’s link above I somehow ended up at an earlier article https://karlof1.substack.com/p/svr-chief-sergey-naryshkin-2024-is, a speech by Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service Chief Sergei Naryshkin. I confess I didn’t read the article when karlof published it because of the ghastly cut of the man’s suit. Off the rack in a clearance bin of a discount store like Feilene’s Basement in Boston.
But of course he has some interesting things to say, including some prognostications for what will happen in the West in 2024:

Now a few words about the situation inside the Euro-Atlantic bloc itself. In the coming year, we will certainly see an increase in the level of social and political disunity in the United States and Europe on a number of topics, starting from support for Ukraine and ending with the promotion of LGBT stories. …
I believe that in 2024, most of the electoral campaigns in the West – from elections to the European Parliament to the presidential elections in the United States — will take place in an atmosphere of fierce confrontation between globalists on the one hand and adherents of realism in foreign policy and traditional values in social life on the other side. And although it hardly makes sense to predict the specific results of future campaigns now, it is possible to predict with absolute accuracy that Western politicians will habitually try to blame Russia, as well as China and other states that have the courage to present their own alternative to the totalitarian state to the world for the inevitable increase in internal tensions in their countries—a liberal “concentration camp”—a vision of the present and the future.

His vocabulary has to be picked through. ‘Globalists’ are US elites bent on totalitarianism arrayed against a ‘realist’ global coalition of civilization states. But what about the globalist cabal working to supersede nation states and establish a totalitarian new world order? Is he saying the WEF/WHO/UN stuff is all an American-only Hegemonic agenda which their multipolarist group is against? So how come BRICS Declarations reference WEF and UN agreements like Agenda 2030 etc?
He deplores the ‘Anglo-Saxons’. But Tolkien was the last chair of ‘Anglo-Saxon Studies’ (name since changed), an arcane field about matters long before the Renaissance. This sounds like a weasel-word designed to demonize whites by excluding the Judaic quotient in the more typically used ‘Judeo-Christian’. What other reason can there be for using the out-dated, arcane term ‘Anglo-Saxon’?
They also – understandably! – have a gripe about the Empire’s rules-based order but only offer in its stead something based on ‘sovereignty and international law’. Duh, that’s a ‘rules-based order’ too. They just want a different one, so why not just say so? Why so many virtue-signalling platitudes? BTW, what ‘rules-based-order’ means is that there is no Emperor or Tyrant in charge but an agreement among peers following rules which may or may not be written out. It’s neither a new notion nor are they proposing anything specific, just feel-good platitudinous waffle.
Sorry, too much virtue-signalling, not enough pragmatics. Yes, the US Empire is bad (though maybe not really the US at all). We get that. Now what?

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 25 2023 4:27 utc | 60

Latest news out of Gaza reports Israel just massacred seventy some civilians in a refugee camp by bombing on Christmas Eve.
Along with all the events leading up to tonight, and I doubt the events of this Christmas night are any sort of climax, one can only come to conclude that the Zionist entity is in all its manifest pure evil. There is no other solution for humanity but to seek to rid the planet of Zionism, at least in its present form, in not only its physical being, but also in its philosophical form.
Zionism needs to be put in the dust bins of history.

Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Dec 25 2023 4:56 utc | 61

How many virgin birth myths preceded that ascribed to Mary and Joseph, and in how many different cultures?
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 25 2023 4:05 utc | 73
A: Uncountable. Prolific for centuries.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 25 2023 5:12 utc | 62

To say Merry Xmas is a bridge too far for me, it’s been a tough year. So wishing all a more peaceful Xmas and a brighter new year ahead.

When the shadow speaks.
How denial of our human capacity for evil brings destruction.
Perhaps the greatest teaching is, Forgive them for they know not what they do.
We are all of us broken, mended and broken again.
It is something we need to remember when we see others acting in ways which can only be described as evil, i.e. that which is the opposite to life.
https://roslynross.substack.com/p/when-the-shadow-speaks

Take good care of yourselves and be close to your loved ones. You never know when suddenly they might be taken from you without warning. Peace Unto You 🙁

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 25 2023 5:30 utc | 63

A big thank you and season’s greetings to b, and to all the barflies for the location, and veritable banquet of ideas and thought that we find here.
This is one of the few islands of relative sanity left in the West (to my mind at least), and it’s importance and relevance cannot be overstated in times such as these.
May 2024 be a year of hope, as a stark counter to the year that was.
Peace to all.
Freedom for Palestine!
Freedom for Julian Assange!
Peace to the reunited oblasts!

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Dec 25 2023 5:37 utc | 64

Barkeep,
Merry Christmas and Godspeed to all. Thank you for what you have created here. This is one of the most oft followed news sites.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 25 2023 5:45 utc | 65

I confess I didn’t read the article when karlof published it because of the ghastly cut of the man’s suit. Off the rack in a clearance bin of a discount store like Feilene’s Basement in Boston.
Such gens as these exist only because of our host stocking the bar and tossing the worst of us drunks out. By the way – Scorpion, you win the thread !

Posted by: Exile | Dec 25 2023 5:50 utc | 66

If Jesus was born today, there would be no demonic Islam and no Palestinians. Jews would have remained and lived uninterrupted for the last 2,000 years in land that God of Israel promised them.
Posted by: Rivers | Dec 24 2023 16:51 utc | 21

It’s not often one reads a clarion call to genocide a few billion innocents in a Marry Christmas thread.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 25 2023 5:53 utc | 67

@Exile 85
Do you think Rivers even knows that Jesus is the second most revered prophet in Islam?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 25 2023 6:41 utc | 68

Merry Christmas!

Posted by: Down South | Dec 25 2023 8:01 utc | 69

Thank you b, and for keeping this space open for discussion. Merry Christmas to you and all barflies

Posted by: tumbril | Dec 25 2023 9:14 utc | 70

I have kept my promise and not wished a ‘merry’ Xmas to anyone – well the elderly bedridden neighbour aside who I shall go visit shortly – so forgive me for not wishing the barflies anything merry either.
Children are different. At least the ones who aren’t the permanent frozen children, who really never had enough chastisement and were raised entitled. Those adults who behave like kids at this time of year , especially these over 25 they need to be told to ‘finally grow up’ or be talked to as a little child.
Some people, my associates and family ain’t liking that this year. Partner has understood and is treating my decision with respect. But the elderly gaga and young baba , are getting a muted version. They are used to it. Having been trained by Covid lockdown.
It’s no bad thing. A silver lining. If only lockdown had also been reinstated just for this week ..
To the Ukrainians who are to be hunted down wherever they have gone to make a peaceful life in the Collective Waste – I say time to make the only move that will guarantee safety, future prospects and the only possible sage return to their birthplace if they want in the future – Go East Young Men and Women.
Seek shelter with your ancient family. And return to cleanse your land of the poison of natzio berserkers and the Financiers who think they have bought your land and you are to be cleansed from it forever.
To the Illegal Apartheid Entity’s residents I say something similar- give up your delusions of grandeur and entitlement under some Sky fairy contract that ONLY you seem to have made with that invisibility. Return to where you originated , Europe or some other 5 eye colony. You are turned into child killing berserkers , ravaging and raping and laughing about it.
Save whatever Soul you believe in or be prepared to disappear under the rubble where you have sent thousands of innocents daily as willing executioners.
There is no difference between the two sets of demented , deluded peoples – fascist murderous tools of the Dying Empire of Centuries.
If our ‘Xmas’ , sugary, financial, fantasy, infantilising – dies with the saccharine Unipolar Empire , I for one won’t be sorry to see it go – along with every other such made up ‘holy’ day of the Holy Roman Empire, totally commercialised by those who don’t believe in that fantasy of the masses and maybe not even their own fantasy of khazaria
With that – have a ‘happy’ day , don’t make ‘merry’ and let’s hope for sanity , peace and an end to the MIC, Bankers, all their Fascist endeavours.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 25 2023 10:51 utc | 71

For the “Virgin Birth”..Maybe born under the sign of Virgo, as the Heavens was the calendar of the time.
Best to you all.
Thanks for the wisdom most of you speak and may the Universe/God watch over you all. Merry Christmas.

Posted by: heavymetal101 | Dec 25 2023 11:52 utc | 72

This year it’s Kaffyehs for presents to my friends, you get them in rainbow tie dye colors now, allowing you to p… off anyone who matters: Nazis, Jews, Russians, Homophobes, Germans, MAGAs, Ukries
Be merry, my friends, be merry:
Rusty Cage – The Hearse Song

Posted by: SOS | Dec 25 2023 12:57 utc | 73

Posted by: canuck | Dec 24 2023 14:48 utc | 2
The daughter in law being furious was the sweetener? 🙂
Posted by: Stephane | Dec 24 2023 21:59 utc | 45
She’s a good mom, a decent woman and quite artistic; however she is a world class bitch.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 25 2023 13:03 utc | 74

A happy christmas season to all!
The time of winter solstice is an important occurrence in northern Europe, still today for the long dark nights we get; the little light from the sun, flat angled shining for mere hours, rarely unobscured by cloud cover over the plains next to the northern sea and the gulf stream.
A time to recluse in silence and serenity; the depth of which provide a turning point to regain strength and momentum for the new year.
I’m somber today after seeing my family. But Thea is with me on the train ride up the Mittelrheintal to Köln, so all is well.
In Köln, right next to the cathedral, connected to my favourite bridge in all of Germany, awaits main station. There, each season, a big diorama – a nativity scene – is set up, with christ and His ilk among the ruins of the bombed out city in, say, 1946.
No proper pictures at hand for me now, but search a little and see for yourself, what I deem worthy of a gaze, and a reflection along.
– Niko

Posted by: persiflo | Dec 25 2023 13:08 utc | 75

Fröhliche Weihnachten
Nollaig Shona Dhuit!
Feliz Navidad
Mo’adim Lesimkha!
Joyeux Noë!
Feliz Natal!
Boas Festas!
Bara Din Mubarrak Ho!
Zalig Kerstfeest!
Buon Natale!
Milad Mubarak!
Natal Mubarak!
Gëzuar Krishlindjet!
Kung His Hsin Nien bing Chu Shen Tan!
Eftihismena Christougenna!
Sretan Bozic!
Merii Kurisumasu!
Merry Christmas all y’all !

Posted by: librul | Dec 25 2023 13:30 utc | 76

Holiday Greetings and Best Wishes to b and all readers and commenters here. It is very soothing to know there are compassionate, knowledgeable peoples in this world. I thank you for enlightening me, and the comfort to my soul.

Posted by: SharBear | Dec 25 2023 13:35 utc | 77

Merry Christmas!

Posted by: 600w | Dec 25 2023 14:00 utc | 78

This Christmas Day, it is difficult to ignore the sheer evil, satanic nature of western regimes, principally the Zionist Regime, and its enablers in the US and EU.
For decades now, they have rampaged across the planet like rabid dogs, slaughtering, starving and immiserating hundreds of millions of people.
The Bible tells us that the world is controlled by the Evil One, Satan the Devil. Looking at Gaza, and children having limbs amputated without anaesthetic, who could possibly deny that?,

Posted by: anon | Dec 25 2023 15:09 utc | 79

Written on Christmas Day by the Christian prisoner, Citizen Louis Capet, formerly King Louis XVI of France:

The Last Will and Testament of Louis XVI
[January 21 marked the anniversary of the regicide of Louis XVI, King of France, by the revolutionary authorities. Here is his last will and testament, written a month previous on Christmas Day.]
In the name of the Very holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
To-day, the 25th day of December, 1792, I, Louis XVI King of France, being for more than four months imprisoned with my family in the tower of the Temple at Paris, by those who were my subjects, and deprived of all communication whatsoever, even with my family, since the eleventh instant; moreover, involved in a trial the end of which it is impossible to foresee, on account of the passions of men, and for which one can find neither pretext nor means in any existing law, and having no other witnesses, for my thoughts than God to whom I can address myself, I hereby declare, in His presence, my last wishes and feelings.
I leave my soul to God, my creator; I pray Him to receive it in His mercy, not to judge it according to its merits but according to those of Our Lord Jesus Christ who has offered Himself as a sacrifice to God His Father for us other men, no matter how hardened, and for me first.
I die in communion with our Holy Mother, the Catholic, Apostolic, Roman Church, which holds authority by an uninterrupted succession, from St. Peter, to whom Jesus Christ entrusted it; I believe firmly and I confess all that is contained in the creed and the commandments of God and the Church, the sacraments and the mysteries, those which the Catholic Church teaches and has always taught. I never pretend to set myself up as a judge of the various way of expounding the dogma which rend the church of Jesus Christ, but I agree and will always agree, if God grant me life the decisions which the ecclesiastical superiors of the Holy Catholic Church give and will always give, in conformity with the disciplines which the Church has followed since Jesus Christ.
I pity with all my heart our brothers who may be in error but I do not claim to judge them, and I do not love them less in Christ, as our Christian charity teaches us, and I pray to God to pardon all my sins. I have sought scrupulously to know them, to detest them and to humiliate myself in His presence. Not being able to obtain the ministration of a Catholic priest, I pray God to receive the confession which I feel in having put my name (although this was against my will) to acts which might be contrary to the discipline and the belief of the Catholic church, to which I have always remained sincerely attached. I pray God to receive my firm resolution, if He grants me life, to have the ministrations of a Catholic priest, as soon as I can, in order to confess my sins and to receive the sacrament of penance.
I beg all those whom I might have offended inadvertently (for I do not recall having knowingly offended any one), or those whom I may have given bad examples or scandals, to pardon the evil which they believe I could have done them.
I beseech those who have the kindness to join their prayers to mine, to obtain pardon from God for my sins.
I pardon with all my heart those who made themselves my enemies, without my have given them any cause, and I pray God to pardon them, as well as those who, through false or misunderstood zeal, did me much harm.
I commend to God my wife and my children, my sister, my aunts, my brothers, and all those who are attached to me by ties of blood or by whatever other means. I pray God particularly to cast eyes of compassion upon my wife, my children, and my sister, who suffered with me for so long a time, to sustain them with His mercy if they shall lose me, and as long as they remain in his mortal world.
I commend my children to my wife; I have never doubted her maternal tenderness for them. I enjoin her above all to make them good Christians and honest individuals; to make them view the grandeurs of this world (if they are condemned to experience them) as very dangerous and transient goods, and turn their attention towards the one solid and enduring glory, eternity. I beseech my sister to kindly continue her tenderness for my children and to take the place of a mother, should they have the misfortune of losing theirs.
I beg my wife to forgive all the pain which she suffered for me, and the sorrows which I may have caused her in the course of our union; and she may feel sure that I hold nothing against her, if she has anything with which to reproach herself.
I most warmly enjoin my children that, after what they owe to God, which should come first, they should remain forever united among themselves, submissive and obedient to their mother, and grateful for all the care and trouble which she has taken with them, as well as in memory of me. I beg them to regard my sister as their second mother.
I exhort my son, should he have the misfortune of becoming king, to remember he owes himself wholly to the happiness of his fellow citizens; that he should forget all hates and all grudges, particularly those connected with the misfortunes and sorrows which I am experiencing; that he can make the people happy only by ruling according to laws: but at the same time to remember that a king cannot make himself respected and do the good that is in his heart unless he has the necessary authority, and that otherwise, being tangled up in his activities and not inspiring respect, he is more harmful than useful.
I exhort my son to care for all the persons who are attached to me, as much as his circumstances will allow, to remember that it is a sacred debt which I have contracted towards the children and relatives of those who have perished for me and also those who are wretched for my sake. I know that there are many persons, among those who were near me, who did not conduct themselves towards me as they should have and who have even shown ingratitude, but I pardon them (often in moments of trouble and turmoil one is not master of oneself), and I beg my son that, if he finds an occasion, he should think only of their misfortunes.
I should have wanted here to show my gratitude to those who have given me a true and disinterested affection; if, on the one hand, I was keenly hurt by the ingratitude and disloyalty of those to whom I have always shown kindness, as well as to their relatives and friends, on the other hand I have had the consolation of seeing the affection and voluntary interest which many persons have shown me. I beg them to receive my thanks.
In the situation in which matters still are, I fear to compromise them if I should speak more explicitly, but I especially enjoin my son to seek occasion to recognize them.
I should, nevertheless, consider it a calumny on the nation if I did not openly recommend to my son MM. De Chamilly and Hue, whose genuine attachment for me led them to imprison themselves with me in this sad abode. I also recommend Clery, for whose attentiveness I have nothing but praise ever since he has been with me. Since it is he who has remained with me until the end, I beg the gentlemen of the commune to hand over to him my clothes, my books, my watch, my purse, and all other small effects which have been deposited with the council of the commune.
I pardon again very readily those who guard me, the ill treatment and the vexations which they thought it necessary to impose upon me. I found a few sensitive and compassionate souls among them – may they in their hearts enjoy the tranquillity which their way of thinking gives them.
I beg MM. De Malesherbes, Tronchet and De Seze to receive all my thanks and the expressions of my feelings for all the cares and troubles they took for me.
I finish by declaring before God, and ready to appear before Him, that I do not reproach myself with any of the crimes with which I am charged.
Made in duplicate in the Tower of the Temple, the 25th of December 1792.
LOUIS

https://www.andrewcusack.com/2006/the-last-will-and-testament-of-louis-xvi/

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 25 2023 16:04 utc | 80

It is a somber Christmas this year. Peace and Blessings to Bernhard and barflies who gather here.

Posted by: Copeland | Dec 25 2023 16:15 utc | 81

“I exhort my son, should he have the misfortune of becoming king,..”
Scorpion 16:04
Louis XVII, ‘the son’, died, reportedly, from illness at age 10; but did Royalists spirit him away to New York? Enquiring minds want to know…
https://www.historicmysteries.com/lost-dauphin/

Posted by: canuck | Dec 25 2023 17:27 utc | 82

Happy Holdiays to all > original, old-time, MoA posters – everyone else of course.

Posted by: Noirette | Dec 25 2023 17:44 utc | 83

Thankyou to all.
I read MOA every day, and today am rewarded with reading the genuine compassion that underlies each author’s ongoing contributions to peace on earth.

Posted by: Dfnslblty | Dec 25 2023 17:47 utc | 84

Every year since 1949, the Wall Street Journal re-publishes this piece. Think of it as the Historical Christ.
In Hoc Anno Domini
Wben Saul of Tarsus set out on his journey to Damascus the whole of the known world lay in bondage. There was one state, and it was Rome. There was one master for it all, and he was Tiberious Caesar.
Everywhere there was civil order, for the arm of the Roman law was long. Everywhere there was stability, in government and in society, for the centurions saw that it was so.
But everywhere there was something else, too. There was oppression — for those who were not the friends of Tiberius Caesar. There was the tax gatherer to take the grain from the fields and the flax from the spindle to feed the legions or to fill the hungry treasury from which divine Caesar gave largess to the people. There was the impressor to find recruits for the circuses. There were executioners to quiet those whom the Emperor proscribed. What was a man for but to serve Caesar?
There was the persecution of men who dared think differently, who heard strange voices or read strange manuscripts. There was enslavement of men whose tribes came not from Rome, disdain for those who did not have the familiar visage. And most of all, there was everywhere a contempt for human life. What, to the strong, was one man more or less in a crowded world?
Then, of a sudden, there was a light in the world, and a man from Galilee saying, Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s and unto God the things that are God’s.
And the voice from Galilee, which would defy Caesar, offered a new Kingdom in which each man could walk upright and bow to none but his God. Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. And he sent this gospel of the Kingdom of Man into the uttermost ends of the earth.
So the light came into the world and the men who lived in darkness were afraid, and they tried to lower a curtain so that man would still believe salvation lay with the leaders.
But it came to pass for a while in divers places that the truth did set man free, although the men of darkness were offended and they tried to put out the light. The voice said, Haste ye. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness come upon you, for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.
Along the road to Damascus the light shone brightly. But afterward Paul of Tarsus, too, was sore afraid. He feared that other Caesars, other prophets, might one day persuade men that man was nothing save a servant unto them, that men might yield up their birthright from God for pottage and walk no more in freedom.
Then might it come to pass that darkness would settle again over the lands and there would be a burning of books and men would think only of what they should eat and what they should wear, and would give heed only to new Caesars and to false prophets. Then might it come to pass that men would not look upward to see even a winter’s star in the East, and once more, there would be no light at all in the darkness.
And so Paul, the apostle of the Son of Man, spoke to his brethren, the Galatians, the words he would have us remember afterward in each of the years of his Lord:
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
This editorial was written in 1949 by the late Vermont Royster and has been published annually since. Copyright 2008 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved

Posted by: Joseph B | Dec 25 2023 18:45 utc | 85

M E R R Y C H R I S T M A S
to all…!!!

Posted by: Joseph B | Dec 25 2023 18:47 utc | 86

Hi b,
Thank you for everything you do. I am sure it is a bit risky to keep this bar open.
Thank you to all the super smart folks who have added so much to my knowledge and helped me find my way through this disaster. I am still lost, though. Shout out to Scorpion, Psycohistorian, karlof1, jane, james, jared, anon, Briswapriya P, Love Donbas, Nemesis!!!! Caveman, Pessimist, shadowbanned (and all the doomers). I miss Jen.
Here is my favorite Christmas song.
Robert Earl Keene’s Merry Christmas from the Family
Hi Jared, I would love to see the post you mentioned in case you have a link.
Posted by: jared | Dec 24 2023 20:13 utc | 43

Posted by: lex talionis | Dec 25 2023 19:35 utc | 87

Lex Talionis @ 94:
Still posting here but under a different name after advice from B.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 25 2023 20:10 utc | 88

Rivers | Dec 24 2023 16:51 utc | 16
*** If Jesus was born today, there would be no demonic Islam and no Palestinians. Jews would have remained and lived uninterrupted for the last 2,000 years in land that God of Israel promised them.***
Where would that allegedly be — New York?
Odd how so many zionist atheists claim title to land supposedly awarded to them by a deity they say never existed.
While non-atheist zionists fervently ignore their own deity having made it perfectly clear that he had had more than enough of their nonsense, and therefore de-selected them.
Which possibly explains why neither lot can produce original documents — title deeds signed by God to that effect.
In any case, you at other times blame the Romans for *some* Jews leaving Palestine.
Many of the rest changed to being either Christians or Moslems.
They escaped from the cult!
And the Romans of that time were not Christians, so Jesus had nothing to do with it anyway.

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 25 2023 20:18 utc | 89

Lev Davidovich | Dec 24 2023 23:29 utc | 47
*** Said Zelensky, “We all celebrate Christmas together. On the same date, as one big family, as one nation, as one united country” ***
Typical lie from that coke-headed zionazi….
Just an oddly branched Xmas tree, is it?

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 25 2023 20:27 utc | 90

Merry Christmass from Slovakia everybody.

Posted by: Lubomir | Dec 25 2023 20:42 utc | 91

Merry Christmas barflies!
LET THERE BE PEACE ON EARTH!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXreNYWtjPQ

Posted by: shocker | Dec 25 2023 21:33 utc | 92

Merry Christmas to all from Sydney and all best to you b.

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 25 2023 22:32 utc | 93

Merry Christmas, Mr. b. Peace will never be allowed by the US war mob. Perpetual war is their way of permanently impoverishing and dispiriting US taxpayers whom they despise (along w. open borders). As to #44, “The US public in particular needs to be made aware that the Palestinian Christian community exists.” Apparently you don’t live in Manhattan. On Christmas Eve Christmas carolers in Washington Sq. Park were interrupted by a “pro Palestinian” mob. Violent, well funded “pro Palestinian” mobs have brought life to halt here–police let them do whatever they want–they’ve closed the Brooklyn Bridge, they’ve occupied Grand Central Station, etc. The “US public” you lecture to is powerless. We’re told to be mindful of “Palestinian Christians” and every other group on earth.

Posted by: susan mullen | Dec 25 2023 23:03 utc | 94

My contribution on this bloody, dreary, Xmas holiday 2023.
May we never see another like it.
Let justice rain down light mighty waters.
Thank you MOAers for your thoughts and commentary here, and thank you b for your hospitality.
You all are bright stars in the universe of majestic understanding, dimmed by imperialism’s decrees.
Many blessings and may peace soon be upon us all.
~~

For those who find themselves with excess time this holiday season … I’d like to offer this serving of Frank Capra films to uplift the soul.
Frank Capra (1897-1991) stands as one of the most brilliant directors/producers of the 20th Century, and sadly also one of the least understood- known at best for the film It’s a Wonderful Life played every year as a Christmas tradition, or Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.
Unbeknownst to even many film connoisseurs today, Capra was not only a pre-eminent cultural warrior who took every opportunity to expose fascist movements during the 1930’s and 1940’s but also fought to provide a positive principled understanding of the divinity mankind’s higher nature in all his works. When asked to put into words what motivated him to create movies he said: 
“My films must let every man, woman, and child know that God loves them, that I love them, and that peace and salvation will become a reality only when they all learn to love each other”

https://canadianpatriot.org/2023/12/25/frank-capras-defense-of-humanity-cinema-considered-as-a-moral-institution/
See link for multiple links to Capra’s many movies.
Peace and justice shall set us free.

Posted by: suzan | Dec 26 2023 1:01 utc | 95

@ suzan | Dec 26 2023 1:01 utc | 110 with the holiday comment….thanks.
After reading it I thought about the Capra words regarding our ability to learn to love one another.
However one thinks of our creator, it is the equitable justice that we create that establishes the love each of us is deserving from each other. To the extent we aspire to that ideal, we aspire to respect our creator.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 26 2023 1:39 utc | 96

“Jesus Would Be Killed in Gaza” Peter Oborne’s Alternative Christmas Message
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sW2T5ErJys0

Posted by: Orange | Dec 26 2023 7:37 utc | 97

suzan | Dec 26 2023 1:01 utc | 95
*** Peace and justice shall set us free. ***
Underpant Gnomes

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 26 2023 14:04 utc | 98

The Nativity Story would be a non starter if it was happening in Palestine today.
Joseph and Mary would never get to Bethlehem through all the checkpoints and the Apartheid Wall.
Joseph would have been beaten up by Zionist troops at the first checkpoint, who would have groped Mary and shot the donkey for a bit of fun.
If they ever did get to Jerusalem, rampaging settlers would have torched the stable before they could turn the manger into a crib.
And The Wise Men would never get a permit to go anywhere near the place. They would be sent packing at the first checkpoint after being relieved of their gold, frankincense and myrrh.
It’s just as well for us all that the Roman Occupation of 2,000 years ago was nowhere near as vicious and inhuman as its modern Zionist equivalent.

Posted by: anon | Dec 26 2023 15:08 utc | 99

Any shepherds or angels found at the scene would be rounded up and shot, with an announcement that they were all carrying chemical weapons and copies of Mein Kampf.

Posted by: anon | Dec 26 2023 15:22 utc | 100