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December 2, 2023
Israel Plans For Long War And The Expulsion Of People From Gaza

There are several new report on how the Zionist want to continue their killing spree in Gaza (and beyond it).

Israel Planning for Gaza War To Last Over a YearAntiwar

The Financial Times reported speaking with sources who said that Israel plans to wage war on Gaza for over a year. In a little less than two months, Israel has killed at least 15,000 people, damaged 100,000 buildings, displaced 1.7 million Palestinians, and destroyed most of Gaza’s medical facilities.

On Friday, FT reported sources said Israel was preparing for a multi-phase conflict in Gaza that will last at least a year. “This will be a very long war…We’re currently not near halfway to achieving our objectives,” said one person familiar with the Israeli war plans.

According to the sources, Israel’s goals include “killing the three top Hamas leaders — Yahya Sinwar, Mohammed Deif, and Marwan Issa — while securing a decisive military victory against the group’s 24 battalions and underground tunnel network and destroying its governing capability in Gaza.”

The first phase of the war, an intense bombing campaign and ground invasion, is expected to last well into 2024. One source said the first phase of the war is about 40% complete. “Gaza City isn’t finished yet, nor fully conquered. It’s probably 40% done,” the person explained. “For the north as a whole, it will probably require another two weeks to a month.”

The second phase will be an operation with fewer military operations aimed at stabilizing Gaza. While the sources told FT that the second phase is projected to continue until late 2024, Israeli officials say they cannot predict a firm endpoint to the conflict.

A long war means that Israel will lose more and more international support.

The trend will become even stronger when Israel starts to kill all 'Hamas people' across the world.

The Biden administration claims to have pressured Israel to murder less people. But it then turns around and delivers more and bigger weapons.

U.S. Sends Israel 2,000-Pound Bunker Buster Bombs for Gaza War (archived) – WSJ

The surge of arms, including roughly 15,000 bombs and 57,000 artillery shells, began shortly after the Oct. 7 attack and has continued in recent days, the officials said. The U.S. hasn’t previously disclosed the total number of weapons it sent to Israel nor the transfer of 100 BLU-109, 2,000-pound bunker buster bombs.

Among the munitions the U.S. has transferred to Israel are more than 5,000 Mk82 unguided or “dumb” bombs, more than 5,400 Mk84 2,000 pound warhead bombs, around 1,000 GBU-39 small diameter bombs, and approximately 3,000 JDAMs, which turn unguided bombs into guided “smart” bombs, according to an internal U.S. government list of the weapons described to The Wall Street Journal by U.S. officials.

The U.S. has also sent Israel roughly 57,000 155mm artillery shells – a key munition the U.S. has also provided Ukraine since the 2022 Russian invasion – along with thousands of other artillery shells and various small arms.

The U.N., humanitarian agencies, and Arab countries mediating negotiations between the two sides have called for a permanent cease-fire. The Biden administration has rejected calls for a long-term cease-fire and expressed support for Israel’s fight to ultimately uproot Hamas from power in Gaza.

Dropping 'bunker busters' (which can not bust Hamas' real command bunkers) onto the densely populated Gaza strip is mass murder. Moreover doing so based on faulty 'artificial intelligence' decisions is dumb.

A Hebrew paper says there are new plans to push Gazans out but that these are controversial even within the war cabinet.

The Prime Minister's Plan for Gaza Citizens: The Direction-OutIsrael Hayom (slightly edited machine translation)

The emergency government is broadcasting uniformly about the resumption of fighting, but as for the day after – the story is different • Besides the issue of control of the Gaza Strip, there is also expected to be controversy over a plan formulated by Ron Dermer at Netanyahu's request, examining ways to dilute the population of Gaza to a minimum • For the prime minister, this is a strategic goal, the top security official sees it as an unrealistic fantasy

The issue of the day after is one of the most sensitive today, and the issue is not dealt with in any official forum but only in internal consultations. If there is a significant point of contention with the Biden administration on the Gaza issue, it is this one. Other things can be manipulated. Bring in humanitarian aid at the request of the American president, and even fuel. Even the new demand not to cause harm to the displaced people in the southern Gaza Strip when the IDF starts operating there can be met with a non-binding statement that "we will try".

But getting Abu Mazen into Gaza to replace the IDF forces in the territory is a different story altogether. Benny Gantz and Gadi Eizenkot would have happily do so. Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoav Galant less so. The commonality is that they all send a message that Israel has no intention of controlling the territory itself from a civilian standpoint. Gallant means it in all seriousness. As for Netanyahu, I'm not sure. His clear statements that a terrorist-supporting authority that transfers salaries to terrorists and educates its children to incitement against Jews will not rule Gaza will not allow the Ramallah gang to enter Gaza. There is no other replacement. Hence, the IDF will continue to control Gaza, military and civilian, at least for the foreseeable future.

This is followed by another plan. Most cabinet ministers don't know about it. Nor are War cabinet ministers. It was not discussed in these forums because of its obvious explosive effect: diluting Gaza's population to the bare minimum. Biden is strongly opposed, as is the entire international community. Galant, the Chief of staff and the IDF Chief of Staff claim that there is no such possibility. But Netanyahu sees it as a strategic goal. He even tasked his War Cabinet trustee, Minister Ron Dermer, to formulate a staff paper on the matter.

This is a plan that will bypass the American resistance without confrontation, the resolute resistance of the Egyptians without starting to shoot the refugees entering their territory through the Philadelphia axis, and the general global resistance that will arise when the first Gazans leave their homes and migrate elsewhere.

Refugees in war zones are common. Tens of millions of refugees have left war zones across the globe in the past decade alone. From Syria to Ukraine. All had addresses in countries that agreed to accept them as a humanitarian gesture. So why should Gaza be any different?

This is not about the transfer, but the release of the chokehold within Gaza's borders. While the crossings to Israel remain sealed, there are other options. Rafah is one of them, despite Egypt's fierce opposition. This transition, at times, has been open and open. Today, there is also an underground crossing between Rafah in Gaza and the Egyptian one with the dimensions of a highway. The sea is also open to the Gazans. In its will, Israel opens the sea passage and allows mass escape to European and African countries.

In the context of Gaza emigration, the gaps between members of the government are vast. While Smotrich, Ben Gvir and quite a few Likud ministers see this as a necessity, others like Galant, Gantz and Eisenkot see it as something between an unrealistic fantasy and a despicable and immoral plan.

With every new daily report about blocked aid and more death in Gaza more U.S. voters will reject such brutal policies. Few outside of Israel support such plans. Most Biden voter wont. If Biden does not pressure Netanyhoo to end the slaughter he will very likely lose the election.

So if Joe Biden really wants to have another presidency he will have to stop Netanyahoo from pursuing a long war in Gaza and from pushing the Palestinian population out of the strip. Netanyahoo does not care if Biden stays in office. He can live well with Donald Trump replacing him. The only way Biden can really stop Netanyahoo is by denying him weapons, ammunition and financial support.

How long will it take him to do so?

Comments

My video on the war against Palestine
https://youtu.be/AxQVxH6hRno?si=XxgEQeh03foUC2Ts

Posted by: KateFrey | Dec 3 2023 1:30 utc | 201

The US needs to replace the slogan on its Dollar bills from “In God we Trust” to “War is Business and Business is Good”. To more closely reflect its actions. Thugs, every last one of US “leaders”.
Posted by: NewJerseyJoe | Dec 2 2023 14:52 utc | 14
Still, the current slogan correctly stresses that there is no intrinsic value in the pieces of paper adorned with it, but we can always trust in God to hope that the current exchange rate between paper and good will not drop too much.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 3 2023 1:37 utc | 202

Currently, I believe that the moderating influence of the US

Sure, you can lie to yourself if you want. The ‘moderating’ influence of the Maericans! What absolute rubbish.
The Maericans sent two carrier groups to the region not to directly help (at least usually, though some Night Stalkers got lost amirite?) the cowardly IDF murder thousands of children from the air, but to dare anyone in the region to intervene. With its economy in free fall, Maerica is desperate to start a regional war that they delude themselves they can keep from escalating to ww3.
Maerica could stop the slaughter of the innocents in Gaza in a second by stopping direct military aid to Israel. They have no intention of doing so because Maerica wants this genocide to continue.
Just remember Maericans, while your tax dollars pay for every bullet and bomb used to murder children who dared be born into land Israel covets, Israelis get free university. Remind me how that university debt forgiveness thing is going again?

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 3 2023 1:44 utc | 203

fairleft | Dec 3 2023 1:21 utc | 211
Since 2014, how many Russians have given their lives? In 2014, the Russia that had arisen from the ashes of the 90’s first faced down the empire when it snatched Sevastopol, the strategic jewel of Ukraine, right when the Empire of lies thought they had it in the bag. Fait accompli. No lives lost but Russia was hit with sanctions. MH17 was downed to then force EU into sanctioning Russia to its own detriment. 2015 and onwards, quite a few Russia soldiers lost their lives there, especially among the reconciliation officers who would go into the cities/areas to be next cleared of Anglo terrorists to negotiate with the Syrian militias that had not sworn allegiance to the terrorist groups. A large sacrifice there. Brave men that should be remembered.
Ukraine 2022. How many Russians to date? not counting Wagner and the Donbass militias before they became part of the Russian federation? At the moment it looks to be between thirty and fifty thousand have lost their lives their fighting and defeating the empire of lies in that theater.
Russia has been doing the fighting and dying while keyboard clowns criticize.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 3 2023 1:56 utc | 204

Aleph_Null | Dec 3 2023 1:11 utc | 208
That quote very much in line with Mark Twain’s ‘Anglo Saxons’. Or to put it better, L. Frank Baum, as per the quote, the embodiment of Twain’s anglo saxons.
Here in Australia that attitude towards the traditional aborigines in the remoter regions was still strong in the early 2000s and I assume still is. In most other regions of Australia there is still a lot of that thinking coupled with woke do gooder racism that virtually seals the fate of any remaining aboriginal culture.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 3 2023 2:05 utc | 205

Posted by: Office Uprising | Dec 2 2023 22:27 utc | 163
If you want my comeback, you’ll have to scrape it from your sister’s teeth.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 3 2023 2:12 utc | 206

MAGA: Make America Go Away
The Dispensable Nation
Posted by: james | Dec 2 2023 20:30 utc | 124
Thanks James
Is ths our Roger?
Loved it. Scathingly funny and sickening all at once
subbed

Posted by: ld | Dec 3 2023 2:30 utc | 207

Naked aggression with genocidal aims, based upon endless greed and ethnographic-narcissism ultimately cannot succeed. Truth, honor and justice are not negotiable. Those who abjure such values are stirring the pot of karma. Yes, nations, as much as individuals are subject to the rules of Universal consciousness.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 3 2023 2:44 utc | 208

At this point the only way for Judaism to save its soul is for Jews themselves to force Netanyahu to unconditionally surrender to the people of Palestine.

Posted by: liveload | Dec 3 2023 2:45 utc | 209

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 3 2023 1:56 utc | 215
Your comment has nothing to do with my post. Unless you think Russians will (and should?) fight and die for Palestine like they fight and die for Russia. That’s utopian, unrealistic, and very un-Putin.

Posted by: fairleft | Dec 3 2023 3:22 utc | 210

Meanwhile the Modi regime is steadily moving towards diplomatic relations with the Taliban.
Final-blood-ly. I’ve been saying for years that the Taliban are India’s natural allies and it was staggering idiocy to support the puppet child sex slaver warlord Ghani regime, whose fall was inevitable. This should have been done two years ago.
https://youtu.be/T3cOh7E-tl0?si=6vr_v21NTL0moanq

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 3 2023 3:31 utc | 211

I have no links at hand I am afraid. I probably have some in one or another external hard drive in which I dump all the shit I download however. Unlikely to dig them out though.
Posted by: Mushroom | Dec 2 2023 23:46 utc | 186
If China was brainwashing it’s population with pro Israel messaging as prolifically as you claim it would be a second’s worth of research to pull out the evidence.
If you have to dig so deep then this brainwashing program you speak of must be truly obscure and can’t have been what you claim it is.
Which means it can’t have been a brainwashing programme at all.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 0:03 utc | 194

You don’t believe it and prefer to drink the kool-aid too, fine.
I sure ain’t lying about it, why would I?
Perhaps the ever-increasing collaboration on multiple fronts between Israel and China in the last decades is a clue I might well be telling the truth.
Also, last time I checked it out, which was quite a while back, Chabad-Lubavich was flourishing and expanding in China.
And the Rothschild bank opened its first branch in China in 1956.

Posted by: Mushroom | Dec 3 2023 3:57 utc | 212

You don’t believe it and prefer to drink the kool-aid too, fine.
I sure ain’t lying about it, why would I?
Posted by: Mushroom | Dec 3 2023 3:57 utc | 223
Makes wild claims that could be easily proven.
Elects to provide no proof when asked.
Goes on to make further claims instead.
We know the drill here at MoA.
NEXT!!!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 4:05 utc | 213

Russia has been doing the fighting and dying while keyboard clowns criticize.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 3 2023 1:56 utc | 215
They were dying in Africa, along with Cubans,for years fighting the Apartheid South African regime and it’s western Imperial backers. As well as in the Korean war.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 4:11 utc | 214

Posted by: Mushroom | Dec 3 2023 3:57 utc | 223
Nope. You really should bother to read what China is saying in international forums on the Israeli genocide of Palestinians.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202311/1302749.shtml
Chinese state news is full of videos of Israeli bombing of civilians. I’d say the Chinese govt is simply telling their people the truth of what’s happening everyday in Gaza, unlike the really pro Israel stance of the Empire and their colonies.
You can watch the Chinese news online.
https://tv.cctv.com/cctv7/
Oh, I live in China and the people are more pro Palestinian than they are pro Russia over the SMO in Ukraine.

Posted by: Surferket | Dec 3 2023 4:34 utc | 215

@ Mushroom –
It’s pointless to educate a troll. Either that or your perceptions are too distorted by brainwashing by the Empire of Lies. In the end, you can believe whatever BS you want.and go live under a mushroom.
If you really care about Palestinian as you seem to imply, and not a hasbara troll, let’s hear you on:
1. Condemning the Zionist genocide of Palestinians.
2. Calling out Zionism as a European colonial settlement enterprise using Biblical myths as a cover and the Holocaust as an excuse and cover for its own genocide.
3. Acknowledging Israel as an apartheid state
4. Acknowledging Israel is deliberately targeting and destroying civilian infrastructure in Gaza, especially aiming at structures that have women and children as part of their ethnic cleansing.
5. Recognise the Palestinians have a right to armed struggle, and Hamas is their elected political and military representatives in their legitimate resistance to occupation.
Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 3 2023 0:06 utc | 197

Who the fuck do you think you are for trying to dictate what I must think and what have I said that warrants this tirade?
Oh, I get it, I must believe in the tired and old Russian/Chinese savior/good guy/ally narrative despite the lack of evidence for it. Is that it?
Point 2 is most interesting, where you try to get Judaism itself of the hook, Moses, the method on how to handle Amalek by killing them all including women, children and animals, being one of the biblical myths you refer to I guess… Are you saying Judaism is not bad but zionism is because it uses Judaism’s age old views and methodology?

Posted by: Mushroom | Dec 3 2023 4:36 utc | 216

Mushrooms have a very short life span before they once again are just dirt

Posted by: Susan | Dec 3 2023 4:40 utc | 217

Currently, I believe that the moderating influence of the US is several orders of magnitude
Posted by: Mushroom | Dec 2 2023 23:38 utc | 184
You mean the moderating influence of the bunker buster bombs the USA is shipping to the IDF to drop on children in Gaza?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 0:07 utc | 198ext

Oh please, don’t try to make me say what I haven’t by partially quoting me.
Haven’t I said the US is the enabler of what is happening?

Posted by: Mushroom | Dec 3 2023 4:41 utc | 218

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 4:05 utc | 224
Look it all up, do your own research mate. The other wild claims are rather easy to find, btw.
But you’ve seen it all before and if you are not spoonfed by links it means it is all a lie, strange logic…

Posted by: Mushroom | Dec 3 2023 4:49 utc | 219

I found this a most interesting read:
https://armageddonprose.substack.com/p/vindicated-israeli-intelligence-knew

VINDICATED: Israeli Intelligence Knew October 7 Attack Plan a Year in Advance

Posted by: librul | Dec 3 2023 4:49 utc | 220

Hmm…post doesn’t post…was it the link I provided in the post, did it trigger a filter?

Posted by: librul | Dec 3 2023 4:52 utc | 221

fairleft | Dec 3 2023 3:22 utc | 221
The era or phase we are in now cannot be looked at in the same light as the era from Soviet Union collapse until the Russia China joint statement and the beginning of Russia’s “military technical means”. My comment to you was a bit rough but sometimes comments like that seem to merge into the mushrooms and doomers that seem to be becoming common at the bar.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 3 2023 4:53 utc | 222

Posted by: Surferket | Dec 3 2023 4:34 utc | 226
The Western MSM is full of these videos too and the western people are more sympathetic to Palestine than they are to the Russian SMO.
Your point being?

Posted by: Mushroom | Dec 3 2023 4:54 utc | 223

@Posted by: librul | Dec 3 2023 4:49 utc | 231
Article references a NYT article. Here is an archive of that article:
https://archive.is/peLT8

Posted by: librul | Dec 3 2023 4:57 utc | 224

Posted by: Mushroom | Dec 3 2023 4:54 utc | 234
My point being a rebuttal of your comment that the Chinese govt is “pro Israel”.
So factually not true at all.

Posted by: Surferket | Dec 3 2023 5:01 utc | 225

Look it all up, do your own research mate. The other wild claims are rather easy to find, btw.
Posted by: Mushroom | Dec 3 2023 4:49 utc | 230
I’ve done the research. Conclusion:
You are lying.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 5:03 utc | 226

fairleft | Dec 3 2023 3:22 utc | 221

Your comment has nothing to do with my post. Unless you think Russians will (and should?) fight and die for Palestine like they fight and die for Russia. That’s utopian, unrealistic, and very un-Putin.

It’s not all about Putin. One needs to understand Russia. Here’s some educational material about previous tensions in the area and what Russia was prepared to do.
https://english.pravda.ru/news/russia/17971-n/

Posted by: Seer | Dec 3 2023 5:08 utc | 227

Posted by: Surferket | Dec 3 2023 5:01 utc | 236
So why don’t they take a big stand at the UN then?
Actually do something instead of just talking in places that don’t really matter.

Posted by: Mushroom | Dec 3 2023 5:08 utc | 228

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 5:03 utc | 237
No, you haven’t and if you’re not lying it means you just haven’t looked properly.
Did you check Chabad China sites?
Did you check wikipedia and Israeli newspaper on the history of ties/cooperation between Israel and China?
Did you check Chinese Rothschild banks websites?

Posted by: Mushroom | Dec 3 2023 5:15 utc | 229

Posted by: Mushroom | Dec 3 2023 5:15 utc | 240
Sounds like you’re trying to get others to do your research for you …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 5:17 utc | 230

Did you know that the IDF/Mossad had Hamas’ Oct 7th plan
a year ahead of time?
Nod your head if you are reading this.

Posted by: librul | Dec 3 2023 5:18 utc | 231

Again, the program is very simple: end the imperialist wars with a class war in the US.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 2 2023 17:08 utc | 56
The problem is we need a leader. Or several regional leaders. Not necessarily politicians but people who acknowledge that the problem is intractable and revolution is necessary. People who can motivate, organize and strategize a guerilla war. Of course, as soon as anyone speaks out against the regime they are quickly canceled out of existence or arrested.
We also need the standard of living to continue to plummet as most people are still too comfortable to risk imprisonment or death. I had hoped that we could vote the scumbags out but whoever is elected immediately turns out to be just as bad as the last guy. Its like playing whack-a-mole with an endless supply of moles.
It does seem to be reaching critical mass though. People voted for Trump, and to a degree Bernie, more as a F U to the Establishment than any real confidence that they would be able to change anything. Trump seemed to be doing pretty well until he wanted to withdraw troops from Afghanistan and Iraq and then they unleashed Covid and that was the end of that. They then made sure that the stupid voters would not be allowed to screw up their plans again by tightening their control over elections.
But the people are persistent and Trump would probably get elected again as yet another F U to the Establishment, especially if he gets convicted. Sadly, elections are just a quaint memory at this point. Trump is probably too pro-Israel anyway to do much to stop the genocide but he also seems to be anti-war so who knows. I think Trump views going to war as having lost the negotiation which is what he prides himself on.
The people might be able to turn the country around on their own but you’d have to get rid of Blackrock/MIC/AIPAC and all the others who currently own our politicians. You’d also have to root out all their lackeys running the DOJ/FBI/CIA/DOD/State/NSA and all the rest. I have no idea how we can do that. And even if we could, what’s to stop Blackrock etal from bribing and blackmailing the next people put in power. Really the best scenario is that after a revolution we get rid of the whole governmental behemoth and the people rule themselves locally or regionally, a sort of American Federation.

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Dec 3 2023 5:21 utc | 232

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 5:17 utc | 241
I’ve done my own research, I am just telling you good places to look at if you want to see something but if you prefer to keep your head in the sand, it’s up to you.
Anyway, I’ve had it for today so I’ll leave it at that for today.
Good night all.

Posted by: Mushroom | Dec 3 2023 5:23 utc | 233

Posted by: Mushroom | Dec 3 2023 5:08 utc | 239
You really need to read links provided. It’s an official Chinese position paper and highly critical of Israel’s actions in Gaza.

Posted by: Surferket | Dec 3 2023 5:23 utc | 234

fairleft
Will Shryver in this substack article puts it better than I can.

https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/open-defiance
In my view, the single most meaningful consequence of the NATO/Ukraine proxy war against Russia is that most of the major geopolitical players outside the imperial realm are suddenly in open defiance of the capricious “rules-based international order” and its rapacious monetary system.
The catalyst for this rebellion was that Vladimir Putin’s Russia stood alone amongst the kings, princes, presidents, and prime ministers of a trembling world, turned to the masters of empire, and said, “Not an inch further. In fact, you must withdraw to your 1997 status, and take all your armaments with you, beginning with your missiles in Poland and Romania.”….
…Most significantly, Russia has exposed for all to see that the empire not only has limitations, but that it is vastly weaker and more vulnerable than hardly anyone had previously been willing to believe.
THAT is why so much of the rest of the world is now emboldened to defy imperial edicts.
THAT is the reason new alliances are solidifying between heretofore reluctant friends.
Nothing unites the human playground quite like one intrepid soul willing to stand, fight, and humble the bully.
The tripartite alliance of Russia, China, and Iran is an adversary more than adequate to roll back imperial rule by leaps and bounds, and in a relatively short span of time.

Prior to the joint statement, China and Russia were strengthening and gearing up for the fight. Through that time, the empire of lies was weakening. The Russian mutual security proposal with the caveat that failing a mutual security agreement Russia would use military technical means then the Russia China joint statement marked the changing of era.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 3 2023 5:25 utc | 235

Posted by: Seer | Dec 3 2023 5:08 utc | 238
Your link is irrelevant.
Like Putin, the entire Russian and Chinese state establishments are similarly realistic and medium-term oriented. There’s no room for military intervention or a ‘final battle with Israel’ _now_. But I think in 5-10 years they and the major Muslim countries will get little Israel in line with peace and prosperity.
But hey, maybe Hezbollah and the Gaza resistance will kick Israel’s ass. Getting maybe a little too optimistic, listening to Scott Ritter.

Posted by: fairleft | Dec 3 2023 5:27 utc | 236

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 3 2023 5:25 utc | 246
I agree.
Russia’s war in Ukraine is far more important than the Israel war. The Ukraine war, and all that derives from it, is creating the post-US-hegemony world that the world NEEDS. Israel’s war is just a re-run of a key problem that will be fixed when the multipolar world is firmly in control. Near the top but not at the top of that list.

Posted by: fairleft | Dec 3 2023 5:38 utc | 237

Abu Wael Nasrallah, 80, says he and his displaced family will stay put in Khan Younis in southern Gaza because they have already lost everything in Israel’s bombardment.
“There is nothing left to fear. Our homes are gone, our property is gone, our money is gone, our sons have been killed, some are handicapped. What is left to cry for?”

In times like these terrorism is not a crime.
In times like these Terrorism is Heroism.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 6:00 utc | 238

The problem is we need a leader. Or several regional leaders.
Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Dec 3 2023 5:21 utc | 243
I agree with that much, botched. But I would say leadership, as in a cadre of trained leadership that understand the basic strategy and are creative enough to develop effective tactics to bring the strategic goals within reach.
And it’s not terribly complicated. The goals are to first end all imperialist war, eliminate capitalism and it’s billionaire oligarchs and restore elementary democracy so all inhabitants of a country have an equal say in policy.
The youth are not stupid, they are highly radicalized and the goals are fairly straightforward.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 3 2023 6:23 utc | 239

Re: Edward Said
For those Barflies unfamiliar with Edward Said – this 1988 BBC documentary is a worthy start
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7g1ooTNkMQ4&pp=ygUPZWR3YXJkIHNhaWQgYmJj

Posted by: Exile | Dec 3 2023 6:28 utc | 240

Disgusting enough stuff, but it’s our true US American heritage, which could bear some open airing, don’t you think?
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 3 2023 1:11 utc | 208
Give it a rest, crypto Dem. You’re not convincing anyone the slaves are liable for the crimes of the master beyond fellow self flagellating crypto Dems.
On behalf of the American worker: fuck off!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 3 2023 6:32 utc | 241

We will begin to see the light when we garden gnomes understand that it is our gardeners US and UK who love the killing, and Israel that is the flame thrower tool they keep in the shed, for when other of their killing projects, like Covid, are not doing the job.
Zionism is merely a tool in the gardeners’ garden shed, not a thing in its own right. A tool is something humans , and some other creatures , use to achieve actions , like conquest , or ‘ levelling up ‘ more efficiently.
So long as we continue to conceive of Zionism as the driver, we won’t understand the reality of our little garden plot, and the savagery of it’s owners.
With apologies to Shakespeare for pinching his trope.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 3 2023 6:40 utc | 242

Posted by: Seer | Dec 3 2023 6:06 utc | 250
We have a difference of opinion on what will happen. Neither of us know, no reason to get upset.
You think Russia will take big risks very soon to fix the ME. I don’t. But I think that, as part of a post-US-hegemony coalition in 5-10 years, Russia will be a key player in repairing the ME.

Posted by: fairleft | Dec 3 2023 6:42 utc | 243

Israel’s war is just a re-run of a key problem that will be fixed when the multipolar world is firmly in control. Near the top but not at the top of that list.
Posted by: fairleft | Dec 3 2023 5:38 utc | 248
Nothing could be further from the truth.
The Ukraine war, while it is a renunciation of the Anglo Zionist Empire can at best revert the balance of power to what it was before the fall of the USSR.
While it will be a tremendous victory for Russia and certainly move us closer to the goal of a truly multipolar world it will merely be a milestone along the way.
We’ve all been here before.
In contrast, the destruction of isreal will represent the collapse of the last Western colonial garrison in the middle east. With it collapses the entire matrix of control and influence from Lebanon to Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt …
And with that collapse goes the entire axle of hegemonic power wielded by the West over the globe.
With it’s collapse, the entire ideological foundation supporting the neocons collapses too. Whereas the defeat of Ukraine leaves that ideological foundation intact.
With isreal’s collapse, the entire ideological foundation underpinning the Christian evangelical movement representing political Christianity collapses too, and with it the ideological engine driving wars in the middle east.
Isreal is the centrepiece of American influence in the middle east.
The sideshow in Ukraine is a distraction by comparison.
This may be why the West has rushed it’s carrier groups in such unprecedented number to the region, and why even Ukraine must contend with tiny isreal for military supply priority: Because Hamas’ 7 October operation has for the first time raised the potential that isreal might be in mortal danger.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 6:44 utc | 244

I see that people here, as all over the world, get a headache when talking about Jews. One wants to say “Jews are our sorrow”, not “Some Jews are our sorrow” or even “Some bad Jews are our sorrow” or “Some bad Zionists are our sorrow”.
Things are clarified somewhat by the poll in Israel that showed 83.4% in favor of genocide. I decided to take this into account in future by prefacing all my Tweets with the abbreviation IAFPJOK, standing for “I Affirm Fifteen Percent of Jews are OK”. Later, the figures in Israel changed to around 60% in favor of more bombing in Gaza and 95% total in favor of either more or happy with the current rate. My abbreviation was not designed for the higher level of inhumanity but it can adapt to five percent of OK Jews.
Either way, I suggest one use this preface and then get on with saying whatever a normal, unhampered person would say about Jews. One could even follow the practise of some Muslims who have a logo that they drop into their discourse saying “Peace be upon him” rather than spelling it out.

Posted by: sarz | Dec 3 2023 7:20 utc | 245

Posted by: sarz | Dec 3 2023 7:20 utc | 258
Thanks. This pill certainly helps to alleviate the throb of cognitive dissonance.
As a thought experiment I wonder if it would work for German Nazis circa 1939-1941:

Things are clarified somewhat by the poll in Germany that showed xx.y% in favor of genocide. I decided to take this into account in future by prefacing all my Tweets with the abbreviation IAXPNOK, standing for “I Affirm X Percent of NAZIS are OK”. Later, the figures in Germany changed to around zz% in favor of more bombing in the Warsaw ghetto and ww% total in favor of either more or happy with the current rate. My abbreviation was not designed for the higher level of inhumanity but it can adapt to x percent of OK Nazis.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 7:27 utc | 246

fairleft | Dec 3 2023 5:38 utc | 248
Putin and Lavrov have stated bluntly who the enemy is and it is not the proxy cannon fodder in Ukraine. With the defeat of US/Nato in Ukraine the hybrid war of Empire of Lies VS Russia, China Iran has moved to Palestine. The war will continue there with different methods by the combined forces of Russia China Iran and RoW. This may turn out to be the main theater of Hybrid WWIII. When the Empire of lies has been defeated in the middle east, its fast end is then inevitable.
Russia’s announcement and the military operation in Ukraine is just about Ukraine, it is a far wider war against the empire of lies that will be fought in different theaters in different ways.
The ‘Art of War’ and ‘On War’ are very different to American shock and awe.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 3 2023 7:58 utc | 247

A year of war will surely bankrupt Israel. It’s economy is based, according to John Helmer, mainly on just tourism and diamond refinement. The Hi-Tec – IT boasts – like their weapons industry – are wildly exaggerated.
There are lines of credit and there are terms of credit, but for a year…? Israelis may be remembering their other passports by then and embarking on another exodus…

Posted by: Gerry Bell | Dec 3 2023 8:33 utc | 248

Referring once again to Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 7:27 utc | 259
I should have added this specific reference to an article by Robert Faurisson regarding the Warsaw Ghetto “Uprising”.
https://codoh.com/library/document/the-warsaw-ghetto-uprising/en/

Posted by: sarz | Dec 3 2023 8:38 utc | 249

Just now I took the time to write a polite letter to president Biden, using the contact form at the White House website. My message was simple: the ongoing massacre of the trapped Palestinians in Gaza is a horrific war crime of historic proportions and must stop. I mentioned the 15,000 dead Palestinians of Gaza, mostly women and children, and how to justify this as “Israel has the right to defend itself” is sheer stupidity and dishonesty on a ghastly scale. I closed the letter urging them to stop nonstop resupplying Israel with bombs, missiles, and ammo. Guess what? I tried several separate attempts to get my message through, and every time it was rejected with red letters saying “this message looks suspicious and has been blocked.” So they are insulated from public opinion or feedback. You can’t even send an email of polite protest! What a truly shitty and horrible country the USA has become. NO democracy to speak of here.

Posted by: Deschutes | Dec 3 2023 8:38 utc | 250

sarz | Dec 3 2023 8:19 utc | 252
The term Holocaust is the same as the American invention of the Holodomor. The soviet famine of 32/33 was real, killing around eight million soviets. The nazi war of genocide with Roma, Jews, Slavic Russians and communists targeted for eradication was real. Holocaust which the west focuses on jews to to the exclusion of all others targeted in that genocide is, like the so called holodomor, a fictional narrative.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 3 2023 8:43 utc | 251

A couple of threads ago, someone asked barflies to list their heroes. Dear old malenkov responded that grownups don’t need heroes. That rings true for me. I have no heroes, only teachers — the most beloved of whom I call my gurus, nearly all of whom had huge problems in their personal lives, nothing to do with their teachings.
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Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 2 2023 19:20 utc | 99
I remember this discussion. My response then was essentially the defective notion of “hero” we in the Modern West have been indoctrinated with, i.e “The Fairy Tale Hero” who stands as a model of unblemished moral and physical perfection.
It is a fairy tale notion in more than one way: Both in that such heroes don’t exist in reality but also that they rarely exist in even the fairy tales and myths that we infer them from and lastly a fairy tale because even were these heroes perfect in the way we wish they would bear no relevance upon our lives.
In contrast if we were to take the conception of the hero from the ancient Greek Model:
The flawed, even mortal character who transcends fate and denies the gods in order to show mankind their better destiny, paying a price for his disobedience to fate:
The Prometheus, foremost among all, who steals fire, out of love for mankind, and is tormented upon a rock for all eternity, yet would do it all again if asked. He too could offer only so much, but even he could not conquer the gods.
The Achilles, who despite all his splendour and valour, yet perished from a tiny flaw in the heel.
The Hector, despite defeat bravely confronted his fate, was loved and honoured and bore the hopes of a people upon his shoulders.
Odysseus, despite all his brilliance and strength, still the fool could not read a map or ask for directions. Yet, his journey of failings alone was an untaught but lived lesson in life.
The Christ, despite being called the son of god, and perishing on the cross, bearing the hopes and faith of his followers, yet called out in despair: “eloi, eloi lamaa sabachtani?”. My lord, my god, why hast thou forsaken me?”
Boudicea, who gave all she had for her people and their honour, yet died defiled and destroyed at the hands of Empire.
Even Siddhartha forsook his duties as a father in order to seek Nirvana.
It is not because they shine for all eternity that they are stars, it is because they illuminated the darkness for just a little while, showing us the next foothold, the next handhold, the next crack in the wall of the Eternal Pit mankind must climb towards transcendence.
Seeking perfect heroes we lose the gifts they came to bring. Their brilliance shines from the cracks of their imperfection.
Their light is always momentary, but inch by inch they illuminate The Way.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 8:46 utc | 252

Well fiddle-dee dee. One tries to have a decent intellectual discussion and instead runs into the brick wall of that famous Western “freedom of expression”.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 8:28 utc | 253
Well fiddle-dee-dee, yourself. I wasn’t seeking to restrict your freedom of speech. Just a little reminder of manners.
By the way, freedom of expression is a sly change on freedom of speech. The latter there is a natural right to. The precedent is Galileo’s tribulations. Freedom of expression on the other hand includes stuff like waving your willie around in public. Not a good candidate to be considered a natural right.

Posted by: sarz | Dec 3 2023 8:49 utc | 253

15k a month at present rate . X 1 year. The stat’s speak for themselves. I hardly think israels economy can do that but neither could ukraines without the elephant sized injections whole continents gave. Israel has those octopus tentacles like epstein tapes to get the results they want.
And it’s obvious the Gaza survivors like a school of bait fish will be pushed into raffa crossing and finally expelled as the only humanitarian thing to do.
I’m still trying to get my head around the holocaust on nightly news and how it’s allowed without more severe push back. Pepe had a few words that it’s galvanising the global south etc. But at what cost. I see Texas wants to add a question of separating from the union to vote on . Maybe this is the outcome needed not just some slowly slowly dedollarisation talk.

Posted by: Hankster | Dec 3 2023 9:10 utc | 254

“this message looks suspicious and has been blocked.”
Posted by: Deschutes | Dec 3 2023 8:38 utc | 251
Everything looks suspicious to paranoid delusional psychopaths. 🙂

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 3 2023 9:32 utc | 255

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 3 2023 6:44 utc | 245
One thing _is_ happening, Russia is crushing Ukraine/USA/NATO while its economy expands, it has no problem shifting its energy supplies to the East, and it shows off its superior weapons to the world’s arms consumers. Meanwhile, Germany de-industrialized, EU deteriorates, etc.
Your apparently much more awesome Middle East thing is a far-fetched hope. Why? NATO in Ukraine is existential for Russia, and Russia is literally rescuing millions of Russian culture/language people by fighting this war. As for the Middle East, it’s not existential for Russia. And there are safer and less ‘mass death’ ways, but slower, to fix Israel/Palestine problem.

Posted by: fairleft | Dec 3 2023 9:39 utc | 256

Just a little reminder since most of you, seemingly keep on supporting the idea about Israel as a request from the bankers that the british empire under pressure during WWI consented to.
And that the jewish lobby buys the US parliament for $150M.
So Netanyahu wags the dog due to those bribes.
That is the multitrillion dollar empire may be bought for $0.15 B
In reality Israel, like I have said before, is a beachhead of the empire and Netanyahu is the empires local representative.
In tune with Churchill’s desires as features to rule the beachhead he is ‘intensely patriotic’ but mainly for imperial purposes not for the inhabitants of the beachhead.
Nonagreement capability is seen as a feature for the local representative. This guarantees that the beachhead couldnt eventually become a breakaway tradezone free from imperial dominance.
But since the local representative has a different role, this offers the master the opportunity to look like a less extreme operator.
The Abraham accords were part of that and seem to have been able to gain some acceptance. While the local representatives role continued to make a contrast to continue managing the perception of Israel as an independent nation somehow still wagging the dog.
I think what is often missing is that the globalists dont like zionism.
But the angloamerican empire benefits from upholding the myth about Israels mysterious power.
As well as the myth about the financiers as a separate power.
Independent from the angloamericans and instead called international.
Yet they all followed the directions of said empire and never broke ranks.
Thierry Meyssans two recent articles about Israel- Hamas collaboration seem pertinent.
He doesnt suggest that the footsoldiers were in on it but there are other parties and MB never was anything but an asset for the angloamerican empire.
No matter how Erdogan himself likes to see it.
Meyssan has also written informative info about that aspect in his book Before our very eyes fake wars big lies from 9/11 to Donald Trump(2019)
Parts of it are shown on Voltairenet
For example Sayyid Qutb admitted he was a freemason.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Dec 3 2023 9:40 utc | 257

Posted by: martin_2 | Dec 2 2023 22:50 utc | 161
MRI scans of living human brains have shown that Oriental brains are on average one cubic inch larger than White European brains. Orientals score higher than whites on IQ tests.
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You may well be correct, but there is no universal agreement on the correlation between brain size and intelligence.
I recall an article from around 1980 entitled “Is Your Brain Really Necessary?” by John Lorber, a British neurologist, published by AAAS:
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.7434023
A student at Lorber’s university had an IQ of 126, had completed an honors degree in mathematics, and was socially quite normal – yet he had virtually no brain (his brain was estimated to weigh between 50 and 150gm – far short of the normal ~1.5kg)
There is evidently more to the story than brain size…

Posted by: General Factotum | Dec 3 2023 9:46 utc | 258

I have no truck with Mehdi Hassan seen him on TV for years cos he kicked off in my part of this old rock and I know very well how sleazy he can be. Many quote his bombardment & bamboozling of matt taibbi as a low point in his career but Taibbi was stupid enough to imagine he could somehow hold his own against a man prepared to do practically any takedown the establishment ask him to who is both sharp witted and able to verbalise as fast as an old school radio disc jockey.
However hasan has been good on the zionist genocide of Palestinians a bit too tough on Hamas but as man who knew what side his bread was buttered on he had to make some concessions.
He was fired from msnbc this week a storm in a network teacup that I couldn’t give a toss about except it signifies something far more malign.
That is the temporary truce is being used as a reset of the Palestinian slaughter. corporate news media will play the entire conflict at a much lower profile. israel only butchered 156 Palestinians on their first day back on the job as opposed to the pre truce score of 400-800 humans murdered a day. Consequently they are now announcing that this butchery will continue for at least a year, more are gonna be killed this way, the zionists had reckoned with their carpet bombing it would only take a coupla months but back from the truce they are saying a year. media is playing the issue right down now.
Worst of all is you care to compare the front page of NYT, Wapo or grauniad now with the front pages of two weeks ago you will see that the Palestine stories are much less usually only one compared to the two weeks ago 157 or so. Plus the stories have reverted to being much less critical of the zionists.
That is particularly true of the grauniad shitrag which was almost 100% condemnatory of israel pre truce and is now 100% pro zionist on the endless racism against Palestinians on inside of the fishwrap.
How is that by some weird meeting of the minds editors in print, internet & TV all settle on the same style at once? (that was what they call a rhetorical question, we know the answer – corporate media owners hive mind).
This means if you really do care about Palestinians and want to do something about it, it’s gonna take a lot more work as the bodies of children are unlikely to feature as much if the zionists concentrate on targeted murder taking out more adult innocents as opposed to kids, which they plan on doing. A life is a life these older gazaians whose life has been lived entirely within a concentration camp also have a right to a meaningful existence but media is going to be acting as if they don’t have that right.
This is why we have been hearing a little more about the ukie conflict now than we were two short weeks ago.
What had seemed like a good idea for the dims, taking the attention off of ukraine and focusing on the ME proved to be an even bigger headache, so now they are gonna try and get a zelenski line goin and hope that works. I doubt it will work but any problems for pols arising from ukieland are gonna be far less than those from occupied Palestine where voters were demanding that pols bite the hand which feeds them. Fat Chance!
The zionist murderers are gonna do everything they can to make the reduced rate over a longer period of this genocide as boring and routine as they can whilst pushing out more beat-ups of alleged savagery by Palestinians. Many on the West Bank s well as Gaza are gonna be murdered from now until at least the end of 2024 but most won’t know that because it will be made to seem mundane and not worth discussing.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 3 2023 10:07 utc | 259

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 3 2023 7:58 utc | 248
Terrible that the Middle East has to wait but it must. China, Russia and their ME allies understand where they’re at in terms of power and leverage right now. They’re telling the world this through their lack of action. They won’t be baited into a war (or similar) too soon. They’ll wait till a time when a not (very) bloody victory is almost certain.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 3 2023 8:43 utc | 252
The Slavs were targeted for slavery, the Jews were targeted for death. Big difference, and the numbers show that. Not much into semantics but The Holocaust is accurate enough, and seems a useless thing to argue about

Posted by: fairleft | Dec 3 2023 10:25 utc | 260

@Botched_Lobotomy | Dec 3 2023 5:21 utc | 233

But the people are persistent and Trump would probably get elected again as yet another F U to the Establishment, especially if he gets convicted. Sadly, elections are just a quaint memory at this point. Trump is probably too pro-Israel anyway to do much to stop the genocide but he also seems to be anti-war so who knows.

This line of thinking sounds like a desperate Empire launched the Palestine Genocide to make it impossible for Trump to be elected.
Btw. I don’t believe reinstating Trump will solve anything

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 3 2023 10:27 utc | 261

Thanks Oriental Voice: I value your contributions.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 3 2023 0:03 utc | 184
Xi and the piece you linked seem to be getting verbally much stronger. Unfortunately this is not backed up by action: for example, sanctions by China would be a real indicator to Israel that it should stop. I know the Chinese are punctilious about legality but I am sure there are ways now to implement them, given Western precedents.
FYI: my Chrome browser has Google Translate built in and it either suggests translating or you right click and it does it. Seems usually adequate although I do agree that Yandex is better for Russian.

Posted by: JulianJ | Dec 3 2023 10:29 utc | 262

re: Debsisdead | Dec 3 2023 10:07 utc | 260
Thanks for the analysis, I agree that the MSM now intends to push the Israeli ethnic cleansing off the front page. After all, it is hurting Genocide Joe’s reelection chances.
However, I doubt that Israel is going to stick to this script, as the plan all along has been to render Gaza uninhabitable and drive the Palestintians into the Sinai. Tass reports that 700 Palestinians have been killed in the Gaza Strip in 24 hours.
How much longer will the Muslim world stand by and watch the genocide?

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 3 2023 10:50 utc | 263

Hey Europeans!
You need to think about yourselves. Whatever happens to the Zionist state, you don’t want o be tarred by the American brush. I suggest you dump us like a hot chick dumps a guy with ED whose bank account is empty.
For better or worse, we in the US have made our bed and have to sleep in it. When the shit hits the fan, we’ll have enough trouble fixing our country. Try to avoid that misery.
First part of your fix is getting rid of Macron, Ursula, Josep, Annalena, Olaf, and Habeck. Don’t even worry about UK- it’s a total HAJZL. Let Chuckie pretend he Is Somebody while his stable-hand canes him.
Next thing, learn Russian and Mandarin. Mike nice with Vladimir Vladimirovich & Comrade Xi.
And third, do a Katherine the Great- require ALL immigrants to your countries to become baptized Christians, preferably Orthodox, under the ecclesial authority of Patriarch Kirril, and shut down the trannies, so maybe make Orban European PM. I say this because you can’t trust that apostate Bergoglio.

Posted by: OldFart | Dec 3 2023 11:04 utc | 264

A year of war will surely bankrupt Israel. It’s economy is based, according to John Helmer, mainly on just tourism and diamond refinement.
Posted by: Gerry Bell | Dec 3 2023 8:33 utc | 249
Clearly John Helmer still lives in a gold standard, fixed exchange rate world, otherwise known as an idiot.
Saying that tourism and diamond refinement funds the Israel treasury is complete bonkers. It is as bad as saying Russian exports fund Putin’s war. It’s all neoclassical ideological drivel.
John Helmer needs to explain to humanity, how somebody who issues their own currency can go bankrupt like a household which is a currency user not issuer.
It’s not rocket science. Although, right wing fuckwittery does make it seem like that to the ideologue and idiot.
https://new-wayland.com/blog/mmt-money-story-print-edition/

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 3 2023 11:09 utc | 265

Xi and the piece you linked seem to be getting verbally much stronger. Unfortunately this is not backed up by action: for example, sanctions by China would be a real indicator to Israel that it should stop. I know the Chinese are punctilious about legality but I am sure there are ways now to implement them, given Western precedents.
Posted by: JulianJ | Dec 3 2023 10:29 utc | 263

It’s not connected to “punctilious legality” but rather “imperial competition”. SIPG (Shanghai International Port Group) for instance, is a Chinese SOE.
https://circuit.news/2023/05/08/tech-driven-chinese-port-in-haifa-aims-for-interconnected-mideast/

Posted by: Framarz | Dec 3 2023 11:11 utc | 266

Posted by: Gerry Bell | Dec 3 2023 8:33 utc | 249
Replace the word Russia with the word Israel. Replace the word Putin with the word netanyahu.
https://new-wayland.com/blog/the-unreasonable-ineffectiveness-of-sanctions-on-russia/
Then look in a mirror and ask yourself some simple questions. In peace time, why did all of our communities not have good things. We did we not give human beings everything they needed as a human right ?
Instead, believe that finding the money was the problem ? Why did that false belief become so engraved in the psyche of our communities?
From there you can quite easily figure out who the real culprits of community terrorism are.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 3 2023 11:22 utc | 267

Posted by: Susan | Dec 2 2023 16:25 utc | 45

I couldn’t agree more with your comment. It is as if we are living in Berlin in 1944 and watching the destruction of our nation in slow motion, powerless to stop it.

Posted by: Chicago Bob | Dec 3 2023 11:28 utc | 268

I was drawn to this site by the Ukrainian conflict. I found the Western news sources inherently incredible, and I sought the truth in alternative sources. I realize that you cannot find unbiased sources, but I found the Russian biased source of MoA to be more credible than the nonsense fed to us by the US main stream media. However, the myopic knee jerk anti-US, anti-Israeli slant displayed on this site on the Gaza war has rendered this site yet another incredible source. The Israeli Palestinian conflict is complicated. The Palestinians are not blameless and have historically rejected numerous two state solutions. Opting instead for a genocidal conflict against the Jewish state, which they refuse to accept has a right to exist, they have made themselves unacceptable neighbors. The October 7 atrocities are just the most recent example that the Palestinians refuse to live side by side in peace. They insist on fighting this out from the river to the sea. Fine. I have no dog in this fight, and could care less who comes out on top. Primitive tribal people are bound to act tribally. These intractable disputes have to go this way. One tribe will survive, the other will be scattered to the wind. Thus it has been throughout history, and so it shall be always. But if you enter the genocidal Octagon, don’t be a bitch and complain that your opponent is bigger than you or doesn’t fight fair. You should have thought about that before you entered the genocidal Octagon.

Posted by: tommylotto | Dec 3 2023 11:35 utc | 269

“With every new daily report about blocked aid and more death in Gaza more U.S. voters will reject such brutal policies.” I would realy like to see that, it would be the first time they stood up for someone else!

Posted by: padre | Dec 3 2023 11:53 utc | 270

October 7 atrocities are just the most recent example that the Palestinians refuse to live side by side in peace.
Posted by: tommylotto | Dec 3 2023 11:35 utc | 270

“Sir”, Could you please enlighten us a bit more about the “peace prior to October 7” part of your statement.

Posted by: Framarz | Dec 3 2023 12:00 utc | 271

Bernard (b) is responding emotionally – and of course, nobody wants to see innocent civilians killed.
When terrorists took hostages in Beslan, many civilians (and children) were killed when Russia had to kill the terrorists. It was sad and inevitable.
Elon Musk correctly said that the Hamas terrorists had to be killed, and that many civilians (including children) would also die in this task.
People conflate Israel’s desire to depopulate Gaza with the need to kill every Hamas terrorist. Bernard should be less of a pussy and more of a realist – Hamas delenda est.
Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Dec 2 2023 21:09 utc | 133
Anyone with a heart and soul would respond emotionally to such atrocities; that you deride his humanity only described your lack of it.
“Hamas delenda est” Cato the Elder was talking about Carthage that still was a competing nation against Rome in the 2nd century BC not an open air prisoner camp as Gaza is today..
Your morality is abhorrent.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 3 2023 12:02 utc | 272

Mushroom | Dec 2 2023 21:22 utc | 143
The way to grow mushrooms is to keep them in the dark and feed them shit.
The term “mushroom compost” can be applied to the medium, called substrate, that mushrooms are grown in. One of the most popular commercial blends of mushroom substrate is a mix of wheat straw, gypsum, and chicken or horse manure. Other ingredients can be used, but these are some of the most common.
Another term that comes to mind is “there’s none so blind as those who will not see”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 2 2023 21:54 utc | 144
Well ‘magic mushrooms’ will enlighten the Soul and banish ‘intellectual darkness’.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 3 2023 12:07 utc | 273

Tommylotto, your statement “The October 7 atrocities are just the most recent example that the Palestinians refuse to live side by side in peace. They insist on fighting this out from the river to the sea.” is absurd. What do you mean “the Palestinians”? Those within israel who get humiliated or see their proprieties seized at will? The children who get slaughtered?
They have no planes, no army, no boats, so the propaganda made by Netanyahu and his ilk is just what it is, war propaganda.
Do you support fake religious crackpots who boast that they are going to destroy one temple to the monotheist god (the Aqsa mosque) to replace it with another temple to the same god, this time called Yahu among other names used later for the same One god?
Or you think religious wars just worked well and should be extended into the 21st century?
The same way the Israelis have used a collective mass psychosis resulting from their being slaughtered by Eastern Europeans and locked themselves in a quagmire of reproducing this behaviour on the nearest victim, Hamas is the result of dehumanization and being locked in an overpopulated prison for years. The responsibility lies with an impotent UN and a complicit Western world. Why would you want to absolve them?

Posted by: Minaa | Dec 3 2023 12:08 utc | 274

I am asking you again, what are Russia and China doing to help the Palestinians?
Try replying without a personal attack followed by a non-answer this time.
Posted by: Mushroom | Dec 2 2023 22:08 utc | 146
China and Russia are following two of Sun Tzu’s maxims: 1. Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.
2. If your enemy is destroying himself don’t interfere
But perhaps you no more than this man on how to overcome your enemies?

Posted by: canuck | Dec 3 2023 12:12 utc | 275

From ISWs “Iran report”.. we seem to be getting to the point where that name will be justified. Quite something to unpack here.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken discussed Iranian-backed threats to US forces in Iraq during a phone call with Iraqi Prime Minister Mohammad Shia al Sudani on December 1.[28] Blinken called on the Iraqi central government to protect US personnel in Iraq and to pursue the perpetrators of recent attacks against US forces. The Islamic Resistance in Iraq—a coalition of Iranian-backed Iraqi militias—claimed 74 attacks on US positions in Iraq and Syria since the Israel-Hamas war began. The group threatened on November 30 to escalate against the United States inside and outside Iraq if Israel resumes operations in the Gaza Strip, which Israel did after the humanitarian pause ended on December 1.[29] Sudani emphasized the Iraqi central government’s commitment to protecting international coalition advisers stationed in Iraq.[30] Iranian state media highlighted Sudani’s condemnation of the November 22 US airstrikes on Iranian-backed Kataib Hezbollah sites in Jurf al Sakhr, Babil Province, which he described as a “violation of Iraqi sovereignty.”[31]

Blinken is trzing to enroll Iraq to protect its bases.. those Iraq voted to close and US kept in place. Blinken did not officially ask to refrain from response against Israel or supporting other groups or the IRGC. First things first I guess.
“Advisers” my a**..
The condemnation makes this a grudging concession aka “under duress”.
Also aka “we still want our bakshish”.

Iranian Armed Forces General Staff (AFGS) Chief Major General Mohammad Bagheri traveled to Baghdad on December 2.[32] Bagheri will meet with senior Iraqi military and political officials, including Sudani and President Abdul Latif Rashid, during his visit.[33] Iranian state media reported that Bagheri will discuss “fighting terrorism, developments in the region, bilateral defense cooperation, and border cooperation” with these officials. Bagheri is Iran’s most senior military official. He oversees the AFGS, which is responsible for military policy and strategic guidance, among other duties, for the Iranian armed forces.[34] The AFGS, along with the Khatam ol Anbia Central Headquarters, additionally commands, controls, coordinates, and supports Iran’s conventional army, the IRGC, and the Law Enforcement Command under the supreme leader.[35]

Sudani? The list of topics is telling, terrorism doesn’t need to mean Hamas, “developments” are obvious. Cooperation is the headline, so Iran/Iraq are aligning to form the core of Resistance.

Bagheri’s visit to Baghdad notably follows Sudani’s phone call with Blinken. The Iraqi central government has previously coordinated with the Iranian regime following meetings with US officials. Sudani recently met with Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei in Tehran on November 6 after meeting with Blinken in Baghdad on November 5, for example.[36] Bagheri’s visit is also noteworthy given how rarely he travels abroad.

Guess something backfired here, maybe Iran smells weakness in Blinken’s words or bribes were insufficient. I think we see Resistance aligning to a point where scattered US bases become a liability and a united front starts paying off.

Iranian Foreign Affairs Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian held a phone call with his Omani counterpart Badr al Busaidi on December 1.[37] Abdollahian stated that Axis of Resistance leaders told him that they will give a “more regrettable and harsher” response to Israel if it resumes operations in the Gaza Strip during his visit to Beirut on November 22. Abdollahian met with the deputy chairman of Hamas’ Political Bureau in the Gaza Strip, Khalil al Haya, PIJ Secretary General Ziyad al Nakhalah, and LH Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah during his visit to Beirut.[38]

With Oman (and Yemen) already aligned, the geographical gaps are Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. I think these need to cut economic ties to the US first – watch OPEC, Yuan swaps and Treasuries for signals.
Bad news for shipping in the Persian Gulf in any case.
This is reaching the point where both Israeili nuclear threats and US strategic bombing are rendered ineffectual, power dynamics are shifting.

Artesh Navy Commander Rear Admiral Shahram Erani announced that Iran, China, and Russia will hold a naval exercise during the 2024 Maritime Security Belt naval war game.[39] The three countries last held a naval exercise in the Gulf of Oman in March 2023 as part of the trilateral Maritime Security Belt they established in 2019.[40]

Cavalry is on the way. Can’t have Yemen and Oman clobbered if they sabotage shipping. I expect some accident to befall US ships soon or someone getting stuck in Suez canal.
Still waiting for news from Egypt. Machine gun emplacements and arty at the Israeli border, still looking for intelligence on that area. There will be escalation strategies ready to execute when Gazans are pushed against the border.

Posted by: SOS | Dec 3 2023 12:14 utc | 276

@Gerry Bell | Dec 3 2023 8:33 utc | 249
Since the war in Gaza started some in IT security and other niche software areas have been having hassles getting product support from Israel. Questions are being asked why those products were purchased in the first place. The Hi-Tec – IT industry is Tel Aviv based, some few buildings blown up there will deprive Israel of its most Western high earning industries, the rest of the country is basically similar to Greece, agriculture on dry, stony ground, not much earning potential. The De Beers group (Anglo American) started off in South Africa, diamonds mined there and everywhere else make their way to Israel to get cut and polished. All the value is made in the cutting and polishing. Most of Israel’s funds probably come from the international Jewish businesses, the multinationals, and of course the US congress.
Nice link to the Gospel IT system there b.

Posted by: gT | Dec 3 2023 12:19 utc | 277

“I think Satanyahoo is very hard trying to get a bigger war running and he may get there sooner then we think
Just imagine for a few thousand Zionist devils the whole planet will burn with billions eventually being killed
Either humanity wakes up timely and takes care of the devils in a brutal manner or that’s it and the lights go out”
Posted by: 🌶️Mike | Dec 3 2023 1:14 utc | 200
I’m not religious, though I was baptized as a Presbyterian, I am a skeptic, not an atheist However, the Book of Revelations is seemingly becoming, unfortunately, ‘revelatory’.
Revelations 10: 6
“And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:”

Posted by: canuck | Dec 3 2023 12:29 utc | 278

“The longer our species takes to stop this genocide, the more it says about how much trauma at various levels will be experienced by everyone. Can humanity stand up to the self licking trauma cone of Might-Makes-Right bullying? ”
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 3 2023 1:00 utc | 197
Amen.
“Don’t expect justice if might is right”
Socrates

Posted by: canuck | Dec 3 2023 12:46 utc | 279

Artesh Navy Commander Rear Admiral Shahram Erani announced that Iran, China, and Russia will hold a naval exercise during the 2024 Maritime Security Belt naval war game.[39] The three countries last held a naval exercise in the Gulf of Oman in March 2023 as part of the trilateral Maritime Security Belt they established in 2019.
Posted by: SOS | Dec 3 2023 12:14 utc | 277

Next year’s “Maritime Security Belt” includes also naval units from Pakistan, Oman, Brazil, India and South Africa.
In another note, about one week ago, it’s now officially confirmed that Russia deliver SU35 fighters to Iran. This has been subject of negotiations since start of Russian “SMO” in Ukraine.

Posted by: Framarz | Dec 3 2023 12:50 utc | 280

Warsaw Ghetto “Uprising”.
Posted by: sarz | Dec 3 2023 8:38 utc | 250
Warsaw Enclave. Decidedly Not Conclave.
So sayeth Idiotic Artificial Intelligence Computer Programming for Cleansing.

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 3 2023 12:52 utc | 281

Why…?
Posted by: Minaa | Dec 3 2023 12:08 utc | 275
Parents are first teachers.

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 3 2023 12:56 utc | 282

“Odysseus, despite all his brilliance and strength, still the fool could not read a map or ask for directions. Yet, his journey of failings alone was an untaught but lived lesson in life.
The Christ, despite being called the son of god, and perishing on the cross, bearing the hopes and faith of his followers, yet called out in despair: “eloi, eloi lamaa sabachtani?”. My lord, my god, why hast thou forsaken me?”
Arch 253
Between Odysseus and Christ you should have put Socrates. Even though Socrtes could have exiled himself from Athens and lived after being convicted of ‘impiety and corrupting the young” instead he committed voluntary suicide drinking the hemlock-this was the model for Christ sacrificing himself on the cross.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 3 2023 13:06 utc | 283

The sad truth is nothing is going to change. The middle eastern countries real god is money and so will ultimately do nothing. China and Russia yap a lot but are scared as well. In the end, at least for now the US can do whatever it wants with no consequences. I hope that does change at some point in the future. Thank you so much for all of the timely and relevant updates.

Posted by: James T | Dec 3 2023 13:09 utc | 284

Almost two months later and *now* we are just learning that
IDF/Mossad had Hamas’ plan for Oct 7th since 2022!
NOW we are learning about it? Only Now? Should go back and read all the
early October articles describing what a big surprise this was for the IDF.
They were all BS.
Here is a limited hangout article from the NYT.
If this is the limited hangout version
what truth is being sheltered?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html
archive is here, if you prefer:
https://archive.is/peLT8

Posted by: librul | Dec 3 2023 13:11 utc | 285

@Posted by: librul | Dec 3 2023 13:11 utc | 286
Here is one blog’s take on the it.
https://armageddonprose.substack.com/p/vindicated-israeli-intelligence-knew

Posted by: librul | Dec 3 2023 13:13 utc | 286

Good Sunday barflies.
First thing : DON’T FEED THE TROLLS.
We know there are many paid to carpet bomb some sites. We know military’s have psyops the 77th, II , GCHQ, etc the 5+1 Eyed frankenmonster Golem – is what stalks the electro scape as a multi headed beat. It is those kids earning their Xmas silver who are risking their integrity and whatever soul they may or not believe in by such activity. As they say about some who carry a stench all their lives exuding from their pores that would turn fresh milk sour by just entering the dairy room.
I’m particularly wearing of the ‘fake’ James game. There is a simple solution- ‘Real James’.
What says you?
2nd – I know it’s decking halls season and glitter and trees and fairytales of Santa and Xmas stories – where Christ and Judaism arc are conflated to make the most oversold story in the world. All media and advertising and commerce. Bibles in every hotel room, endless iterations of Christianity , the choices of the sugary beverages are just as many – but when it comes down to it they share their basic ingredients down to the nth degree. Just the odd chemical to change the outward colour , the brand on the tin that we buy and gobble it down in.
The fact is Christianity and Judaism are Pepsi and Coke. The OWNERS are the same. The controllers are the ancients, the leftover Roman Empire, then The Holy Roman Empire, it’s financiers who moved from the Temples to the Vatican, long ago as they retreated from the mass of humanity and its new religions. But, not so long that their history is unknowable , it’s not extinct like the Dinosaurs.
They formed and re-formed through the generations, they bought and sold princes and kings and conquerors, they built Nations just to gather Peoples Wealth Creation more efficiently and to set them up against each other to profit from every side! They set the nations to conquer the earth and enslave it ever more perfectly with each iteration of Empire. They created a hybrid mongrel state the US which became the melting pot that a Golem was born of – The US. They changed their names throughout history and shapeshifted – but they will always be the Zion Kings. These who can mass convert their millions of slaves and servants to a new religion overnight while remaining themselves as worshippers of the one true god the most powerful of all – Money.
That which buys soldiers, mercenaries, and the praetorian guards that they can hide behind forever.
The Peoples and their daily PERSONAL religions are traduced and exploited by the Few Zion Lords of all the World. They use and abuse honest believers as they sit upon the thrones clad in their fairytales of God.
The +1 in my formulation of the 5 Eyes is that embodiment and pinnacle of the Millenia long transmutations it is the most powerful and final tip of the spear, a Golem Irresistible Force shaped by the shapeshifters through the Eurocentric History for a hundred generations. It is of course the Illusionary State, the Illegal Apartheid Entity that was give life by attaching a piece of paper to its dirt form.
Well the World this planet Earth and the majority of Humanity is the Immovable Object Reality that the make believe Irresistible Force is yet again aimed at, it will be resisted yet again. It’s certitude shattered by the reality of Humans who don’t kneel , don’t succumb and willingly suffer to endure.
Bless the Resistance, the Iranians and Syrians; Venezuelans and Cubans; the pummelled Palestinians, the Russians and the Chinese for their endless endurance against the Slavers of the World who will this time lose forever.
Because WE are the MANY and THEY are the oh so FEW.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 3 2023 13:22 utc | 287

I’ll try again, because US posters are not particularly interested in picking up
responsibility for their country’s genocide in Palestine so long as it can all be blamed on Israel.
When the US wants access to Caucasian and Russian oil, rubs the bottles of its Turkish Genies BoJo and ErdoGo to create a Ukrainian and Armenian genocide.
Similarly, when the US wants access to African, Brunei , Myanmar, South American oil , it runs the bottles of its genies to create the matching genocides, BoKo Haram, AlQaida, etc.
When the US wants access to Middle
Eastern oil , it rubs the bottle of its Genies, Angela MerKill, ErdoGo, NajisyaPoo, to create Islamic State to create Genocide in Syria.
Now it wants to trash the Gulf , it rubs the bottles of its Gulf Scum , Muslim BroTurd and NajisyaPoo , to create genocide in Palestine.
If the US really didn’t want ongoing Genocide to distract us all from its conquest of Greater Israel, why has it been shipping weaponry for WW3 to Najisya Poo ?
The criminals are the US NonceCons who want Global Hegemony, not the pimps like Najisya Poo and Muslim Brotherhood.
The solution needs to come from Xi and Putin, against the real perpetrators.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 3 2023 13:26 utc | 288

How to prevent peaceful struggle?
https://www.wired.com/story/palestinians-claim-social-media-censorship-is-endangering-lives/

Posted by: Minaa | Dec 3 2023 13:31 utc | 289

Posted by: tommylotto | Dec 3 2023 11:35 utc | 270
Israel doesn’t have a right to exist, it is a colonial project which has always employed ethnic cleansing methods.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Dec 3 2023 13:39 utc | 290

@Posted by: Arganthonios | Dec 3 2023 13:39 utc | 291
Don’t feed the trolls.

Posted by: librul | Dec 3 2023 13:43 utc | 291

“That which buys soldiers, mercenaries, and the praetorian guards that they can hide behind forever.”
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 3 2023 13:22 utc | 288
A very powerful post, thanks.
I do have one quibble on the above.
The PTB I call the Anglo/Zionists but as you acknowledge they are chronic ‘shape shifters’ but lineally the same. The Praetorian Guard was established by Octavian, then Augustus, in response to his uncle’s assassination.
Augustus used German mercenaries that had no ties to Roman nobility they were ‘outsiders’.
The Ottoman Sultans used the same idea when their Praetorian guard were Janissaries, Christians that had no connection with the court or the harem.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 3 2023 13:46 utc | 292

Third page MOA comments are a lot like the third hour of a heavy drinking session. Everybody thinks they have the solution to everything, knuckle-heads still arguing with dunder-heads over nothing, and angry old men start shaking their fists at clouds rainbows.

Posted by: jokohomo | Dec 3 2023 13:47 utc | 293

Sudani?
Posted by: SOS | Dec 3 2023 12:14 utc | 277
all of a piece
Recalling, (a) innumerable AFRICOM bases, “US America’s Security in Africa“, (b) Mali “coup” Jan 2022, (c) Munich Security Conference 2022: Ukraine and Sahel Alliances, (d) 2022-2023 malign Russian influence, Grain from Ukraine to “The Horn”, and Wagnerpobia agitprop, (e) umpteenth SAF v. RSF “prox war” Apr 2023, (f) UN MONUC/MONUSCO (20 Dec) and UN MINUSMA (31 Dec) scheduled exits 2023, (g) Kuleba’s aborted 2022 tour to place embassies in select W. African states, (h) Niger 2023 “military coup”, quashed AFRICOM-proxy ECOWAS “military intervention”
kyivpost | Videos Show Ukrainian ‘Big Israel’ Special Forces ‘Cleaning Up’ Wagner Fighters in Sudan(6 Nov 2023)

…According to a source in Ukraine’s security and defense sector, an operation is currently ongoing to “clean up the Wagner PMC, their local terrorists and the Russian Federation’s special services” in the African country. Speaking to Kyiv Post, the source added: “The footage probably shows the work of special units of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine (HUR).” He declined to give details citing security concerns. The source said the footage had been filmed “in the last two weeks”, in an unnamed Sudanese urban location. Kyiv Post has not independently verified either video.
[…]
The Ukrainian government has neither officially acknowledged deployment of field operators to Sudan nor conduct of operations targeting Wagner fighters in the country. Last month CNN reported a series of drone strikes targeting Wagner-backed rebels near Sudan’s capital were “characteristic” of Kyiv’s special forces. Ukrainian news portal RBC-Ukraine contacted Ukraine’s HUR spokesperson Andriy Yusov at the time for clarification on the situation in Sudan, to which he replied: “We can neither confirm nor deny this.”
Why is Ukraine operating in Sudan?
“You can also recall the words of General Budanov that Ukraine will destroy Russian war criminals anywhere in the world, wherever they are,” Yusov also said….

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 3 2023 13:47 utc | 294

vox populi Nuland flag, illustrated

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 3 2023 13:58 utc | 295

jokohomo 294
And I’ll show you young man , with so many reasons why
There but for fortune Go you or I
You or I. Mmmmm

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 3 2023 14:04 utc | 296

https://twitter.com/i/status/1730783467804168214

Posted by: ld | Dec 3 2023 14:19 utc | 297

https://twitter.com/i/status/1731270123015614747

Posted by: ld | Dec 3 2023 14:20 utc | 298

https://twitter.com/i/status/1731297844881945050

Posted by: ld | Dec 3 2023 14:21 utc | 299