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December 06, 2023

Bombing Gaza

At times it is so outrageous that even a major western news-agency can't help but to state the truth.


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The truth is this is now Joe Biden's and America's genocide of the Palestinians.

I won't hold my breath for Reuters to report that fact.

Posted by: Emily Dickinson | Dec 6 2023 9:34 utc | 1

And when you realise it's the entire arab world including Saudi Arabia that is preventing US/Israel to start a direct war against Iran, you know a lot of things are changing rapidly and a lot of mask are off.

Posted by: W | Dec 6 2023 9:35 utc | 2

This will just make reconciliation that much harder, Israel...
USA, enabling a friend into folly is not being much of a friend...
Arab monarchies, patience is a virtue until it's not...

Do better!
/wags finger

Posted by: titmouse | Dec 6 2023 9:42 utc | 3

Baby Jesus under the rubble!

I find this video snippet of AlJazeera worth to be forwarded in social networks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxFl_pd_bE

"If baby Jesus were to be born again, he'd be born in the rubble in Gaza ....and once again persecuted by the 'chosen ones'."

Posted by: Framarz | Dec 6 2023 10:12 utc | 4

"...even major western news-agency can't help but to state the truth."

It is an indicator of the degeneration of Empire that for those tasked with informing the population, telling the truth is the exception to the rule. It should be obvious that this is unsustainable as those responsible for making crucial management decisions in the running of Empire base their decisions on the same lies used to delude the rest of the population. Decisions based in delusion have a poor track record, and we see the results in the wheels coming off the Empire at every historical event. Fortunately for the Empire of Delusions, there are a lot of wheels to go before it completely crashes and burns, but that number of wheels is finite.

On an individual and personal level, the Empire's presstitutes justify their lies by noting that the US is a country at war. The presstitution industry has always known it has an important role to play in promoting war, and in fact that's their patriotic duty. The thing of it is the US has been at war their entire lives. The presstitutes entered that field of employment fully aware the truth was their principal opponent. They know they are engaged in information warfare. They just never stopped to realize they are "the baddies". The western presstitutes are the villains.

Keep the above in mind on the rare occasions western presstitutes let the truth slip. As our host points out, sometimes the imperial narrative's divergence from reality is so outrageous that the imperial presstitutes have no choice but to let some truth leak through to maintain some scrap of credibility among at least the most credulous.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 6 2023 10:29 utc | 5

The disgusting Western Media is so dedicated to making stuff up about "Israel's (non-existent) right to self-defense" that it has completely 'forgotten' that mass-murdering civilians to achieve a political goal, as "Israel" is doing, is the quintessential definition of TERRORISM.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 6 2023 10:37 utc | 6

I have seen the video, a mixture of bad journalism and bad faith.

They have to admit that Israel is not bombing the designated safe areas. Therefore, the designated safe areas are 1) not bombed and 2) safe. However, they bomb where there are hamas tunnels, which they bloody well should (and will, whether you like it or not).

Typically for such biased journalism, we don't get to hear any Israeli official *on this very matter* (that is: have the Israeli bombed the exaqct places where they told the civilians to take refuge?), only the UN guy, whining about hygienic conditions as he is expected and paid for to do. I'd love to know how many of these Hamas bastards are on the UN payroll btw.

Reuters is pushing the lukewarm, but real, Biden ceasefire agenda, trying to make the Israeli look bad, because Biden is between a rock and a hard place and would dearly love for the Israeli to stop making him look bad with the Squad.

Unfortunately for them, Israeli doesn't care for what Reuters, or Biden, or the Squad think.

Meanwhile, the Israeli keep doing their job without looking right or left, and without worrying about all the crying girls on Youtube and elsewhere, first of all Mr Mercouris, with his.... extremely.... slow.... motion..... whine.... almost.... every.....day. I have to put the speed at 1.75 to get a decent flow.

At this point, the Israeli's determination and resilience surprises even me, who have been on their side since the Italian commies pushed against them every day of the week, and twice on Sundays, in the Eighties.

As the Germans would say: Hut ab!

But please don't be influenced by the hard facts on the ground.

Venting your frustration here beats having a heart attack, for sure.


Posted by: Augusto Pi | Dec 6 2023 11:16 utc | 7

Augusto Pi posting @ 11:16

An utterly shameful screed. So much for the attorney defending the undefendable. What amazes me is that Reuters itself has actually resorted to telling the truth about the situation in Gaza. That revelation is equivalent to a journalistic earthquake. Truth will always out...even while there are those who desperately defend the murderers and liars.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 6 2023 11:29 utc | 8

every.....day. I have to put the speed at 1.75 to get a decent flow.
Posted by: Augusto Pi | Dec 6 2023 11:16 utc | 10

Happens when age. Try Prostatron for better flow.

Posted by: Horace | Dec 6 2023 11:38 utc | 9

looks like Yemeni Ansarallah hit some targets again ...
https://t.me/s/CumtaAlertsEnglishChannel

Posted by: Framarz | Dec 6 2023 11:40 utc | 10

Framarz 6

Great message in that video.

Posted by: KingCobra | Dec 6 2023 11:41 utc | 11

I am quite impressed by the in-your-face attitude of Israel with regard to the destruction they are causing. We are shown all kinds of drone videos showing entire apartment complexes being leveled by an enormous bomb of some kind, bunker busters exploding deep underground with blast coming from manhole covers distributed around the center of the target. The destruction is really phenomenal! Seems like they are trying to erase all signs of civilization and restore to pre-human settings.

And Hasbara has hired even more full time workers who have to attack Harvard for not following the Israeli narrative and now all these allegations of rape. According to CNN and other talking heads, Hamas fighters took time to rape many women before shooting them in the head. Apparently there are no surviving rape victims in Israel.

I like the line about those who permit murder and do nothing to stop it are as guilty as those who actually do it. So where does that put us? If we are not actively opposing genocide, does that make us complicit as well?

Posted by: dan of steele | Dec 6 2023 11:42 utc | 12

The problem is this: Hamas conducted a successful military raid on Oct 7. Regardless of LIHOP, MIHOP and anti-Palestinian MSM propaganda, the fence breach in itself is major egg on face.

In zero distance fighting with Hamas in N Gaza, Israel is losing badly. Its soldiers post pics of themselves looting and desecrating houses. Meanwhile how many of you have seen the video yesterday in which the fighters pop up RIGHT NEXT TO an Israeli campsite to survey it?

The more Hamas humiliate Israel in face to face fighting, the more genocidal Israel becomes with NATOstan support. That's how they/we are. Terrorising civilians is all they/we know. How dare a ragtag militia endanger our last settler colonial project? UK, US, EU, Can, Aus, NZ and Israel are the “WEOG” (Western Europe and Others) group within the UN, the only non-regional dialogue group. All the settler colonialist countries collaborate to use the UN, ICC etc to retain control.

Since Oct 7, Israel, cheered on by 93% of 30 WEOG countries has increased the torture of Palestinian hostages as if it wasn't bad enough already. A photo of Palestinian men on Oct 8: dozens tied up, naked, blindfolded, on the ground with numbers painted on them. Many have horrifying huge bloody bruises. Carpet bombing civilians, genocide, ethnic cleansing …. the precedent has been set by 32 years of war on Asia and Africa by WEOG (from when USSR deterrence dissolved). The only difference is that Israel compresses killing in time and space.

https://archive.org/details/the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east-by-oded-yinon-israel-shahak-yinon-oded-shah/page/n19/mode/2up?view=theater&q=iran
Oded Yinon plan: NATOstan’s geopolitical strategy since early 1980s is a badly failing implementation of this plan. Tail. Dog. Whatever.

EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE to me between 500,000 dead Iraqi kids over 20 years or 10,000+ Palestinian kids in 60 days??? Is it worse because the kill rate is double? Or as a ratio of total population?

Pepe Escobar frames Empire’s support for Israel as war against “multipolarity” or alternative to Empire.

But Crooke echoes Isaac Herzog saying it’s a "clash of civilizations" (Civilized Eurogenociders vs everyone else). In his Dec 4 article at SCF Crook spouts the xenophobic crap he can’t say directly to Judge Nap: “…influx of persons, some who are hostile to European culture and ‘white imperialism’….In Germany, native-born Germans are now a minority amongst minorities. “

(That is false foreign born people in Germany are 15%). Anyone against genocide is on the “barbaric side”.

Crook who got his start as an Empire foot soldier supplying arms to Taliban gives us an insight into the logic of Empire: Afghans always kicked British Empire ass so let’s get the goat herders (no disrespect) to fight the USSR for us….we have failed since we attacked Russia in 1917. Once we’ve dealt with USSR...

Dancing Israelis etc. let us go after Taliban. It was the BBC that reported WTC 7 falling before it fell.

Crook’s War of Terror refugee xenophobia aims to keep normal people divided. The problem is not just corrupt politicians. Being AGAINST Empire's wars is supporting "terror".

When I first saw the huge protests across NATOstan I felt that oppressed hard-working classes of NATOstan identify with Palestinians. They work alongside the hard working immigrants that make Crook cry.

Recently this Malcom X type character posted a video echoing my thoughts saying, We are all in the same struggle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awzgOK5i7pc

I suspect now that Ukraine is losing, Crook etc. are in Moscow to persuade influential “European and Christian” Muscovites that all is forgiven, they can (re)join the civilized genocidal world just as long as they don't resist genocide. Johnson hobnobs with Victor Bout.

My question to barflies is simpler: where do you want your tax dollars to go? Healthcare, homelessness and education or more war against “terror” to create the refugees that give Crook and other xenophobes so many sleepless nights?

ps: Note to Crook fangirls: I don't object to Crook's analysis. Rather than attacking me explain Crook's xenophobia and why he never discusses how in his 30 year MI6 career he contribued to the wars that created this crisis.

Posted by: pq | Dec 6 2023 11:57 utc | 13

'If we are not actively opposing genocide, does that make us complicit as well?' -- dan of steele

We can now retire the long-running debate about why ‘good Germans’ failed to speak up against Hitler’s excesses: today ‘good Americans’ look away from clear, real-time evidence that their munitions are being used in the cynical slaughter of an urban population, by a phony ‘ally’ which they lavishly subsidize.

‘Good Germans’ were innocent Boy Scouts, compared to today’s patently complicit ‘good Americans.’

Posted by: Jim H | Dec 6 2023 11:59 utc | 14

Posted by: pq | Dec 6 2023 11:57 utc | 16

Crooke is a weasel. Slippery and British (retired from government service). That probably says it all.

Posted by: Joey | Dec 6 2023 12:25 utc | 15

Posted by: Augusto Pi | Dec 6 2023 11:16 utc | 10

It was obvious from the get go that your tolerance of child genocide you possess a soul; now reading your tawdry prose one can also confirm that you that you also lack a brain.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 6 2023 12:25 utc | 16

The Zionist bloodsuckers are digging their own grave.
They are busy sowing the wind.
And they will soon reap the whirlwind.
And that goes for all the bought and paid for Shabbos whores like Biden, Johnson and Schulz, and all the other blackmailed whores like Clinton on the Epstein tapes.

Posted by: anon | Dec 6 2023 12:29 utc | 17

What position have the Chinese taken on the destruction of Gaza?

The Chinese have extensive investment in Israel, and Israelis have been planning for at least 15 years to ally with China when the US hegemony takes its last gasp.

With regard to b's later posting, regarding failure of Elensky's call to US Senate: that sounds like part of the grand plan and reminiscent of the schemes in WWI-WWII : create a "land without a people" for people who want the land, then scare the crap out of sheeple that the PTB need to migrate to that land.

These two genocides are working hand-in-glove.

Posted by: ChasMark | Dec 6 2023 12:31 utc | 18

Posted by: pq | Dec 6 2023 11:57 utc | 16

Crooke is a weasel. Slippery and British (retired from government service). That probably says it all.
Posted by: Joey | Dec 6 2023 12:25 utc | 19

Mr. Crooke is well read, a successful diplomat , massive experience in the ME -as well he speaks carefully and thoughtfully. .

Your weak, vapid ad hominin attack on the man only illustrates your own intellectual inadequacies.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 6 2023 12:32 utc | 19

I wake up,
It's dark and cold outside, bathroom, coffee, grilled toasts w butter.

On the smartphone: "they" - the chosen victims - bombed Gaza again ... killed scores ... burnt kiddos en masse ...


Coffee's delicious, toasts crunchy ... snow gorgeously shinning under rising sun , trees bending graciously under the weight ...

How could I not be guilty?

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Dec 6 2023 12:51 utc | 20

canuck @21: "There are many pacific, moral Jews."

Weird observation: 100% of the decent Jews that I've been acquainted with have been atheist (this does not mean 100% of atheist Jews are decent... gotta be careful with the logic here folks). In fact, there are a number atheist Jews ranking among the most awesome people I've ever met.

Conversely, 100% of the religious Jews I've ever met have been insufferable assholes... complete rubbish as human beings.

Strange how that works. Perhaps it has something to do with believing oneself to be among "the Chosen"? Kinda like how 100% of people who imagine themselves to be "exceptional" and above the rest are total douchebags too. Maybe there is a pattern here... what do you think?

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 6 2023 13:00 utc | 21

Middle East Eye reports:

After five days of intense Israeli attacks in western Gaza City, tanks retreated from some of the residential areas they have been attacking since the end of the truce on Friday.

In their wake, they have left widespread destruction and death.

Mohammad al-Hajjar, an MEE contributor, was trapped at home with his family, like many Palestinians in the city.

He said anyone who dared to move was immediately targeted with gunfire from tanks and drones. For five days, it was so quiet in the neighbourhood that you would be able to hear a pin drop, he said.

"When someone shouted 'God is great' in defiance, the house he was in was shelled," Hajjar recounted.

"We tried to keep silent and avoid windows as much as possible."

On Wednesday morning, the Israeli tanks retreated for a distance of about 300 metres, without explanation. Families, coming out after five days of siege, are now assessing the extent of the damage left behind.

Hajjar says he saw three bodies strewn on his street when he stepped out to dump the rubbish for the first time in days.

"One of them was shot about 20 metres from my house," Hajjar said.

People who attempted to flee amid the attacks were shot, he added, with some escaping the bullets and others dying on the spot.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 6 2023 13:06 utc | 22

Brief article on ZH relates US sanctions on West Bank settlers for the first time since the Clinton years. As if that will make a difference in Israeli policies and actions. Many of those West Bank settlers may be immune to withholding US travel visas anyway due to their dual US/Israeli citizenship. What article did not mention was Trump’s tacit approval of ongoing West Bank settlement; his son-in-law Jared Kushner financed (and benefitted financially from) several settlements.

US is putting forth a public face of “moderation” and “balanced justice” while continuing to supply the IDF with all the means for genocide. It is their actions, not their words, that will be judged.

An earlier post on this thread mentions Baby Jesus in the rubble, which brings to mind today’s Western calendar celebration of St. Nicholas Day. As St. Nicholas was a deeply holy bishop in what is now Turkiye, renowned for his love for children, he is a good soul to ask for intercessory prayers for peace.

Posted by: Ciaran | Dec 6 2023 13:15 utc | 23

Crooke is a weasel. Slippery and British (retired from government service). That probably says it all.
Posted by: Joey | Dec 6 2023 12:25 utc | 19

Mr. Crooke is well read, a successful diplomat , massive experience in the ME -as well he speaks carefully and thoughtfully. .

Your weak, vapid ad hominin attack on the man only illustrates your own intellectual inadequacies.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 6 2023 12:32 utc | 26

Analyse your blurt. The first is correct.Indeed he speaks carefully and thoughtfully and convincingly to you. So was Laurence (of Arabia)-thoughtful and convincing. Also British. Try to use your intelligence if you have any. Look, try to at least, beyond the expressed opinion for the implied and purposely omitted. Maybe that is beyond your imagination level.
The second para in your comment applies exactly to you.
Only the western opinion counts. The rest have to obey.

Posted by: Joey | Dec 6 2023 13:19 utc | 24

Somewhat off the narrative of current Israeli actions but related to earlier posts about Crooke’s statement regarding Germany’s demographics:

The Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan for miscegenation of all European tribes is alive and well, has been the basis for creating the current demographic trends in Europe via immigration of, at first, Turks into Germany, Algerians into France, and Pakistanis, Indians, and Nigerians into the UK. The major second wave has been occurring since the Israeli/US-inspired Syrian conflict.

The plan is recognized via a biannual award from the EU. That Jewish elites are behind that plan is not documented but makes logical sense, as the original plan sought their preservation as a master race over the mixed blood populace created by the plan. If they indeed are behind the plan, it is another example, along with their attack on the US warship Liberty, of how they bite the hands that feed them. The turning of US public opinion against the Israelis, especially by younger persons, is long overdue.

Posted by: Ciaran | Dec 6 2023 13:44 utc | 25

In line with your comment #23, Ciaran:

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/12/06/not-a-penny-nor-a-bullet-off-the-table/
The U.S. vice president, secretary of state and defense secretary are using unusually blunt language against Israel’s massacres of Palestinians. But the money and weapons keep flowing, says Joe Lauria.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 6 2023 14:34 utc | 26

https://twitter.com/incontextmedia/status/1600493875746963457

Video of an elderly Zionist recounting tales of atrocities he committed and laughing about it.

I have known two Israelis who left Israel for good because they were surrounded by this. I do not believe I have ever known an American Jew who would not join in the laughter. To include all the Jewish Marxists I once knew. Used to know a group of Russian Jews who came here in early 80s, they wanted nothing whatever to do with American Jews just because of this. Half of those Russian Jews had lived briefly in Israel, preferred the camps near Vienna and waiting to living with monsters like the one in video.

They are monsters.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 6 2023 14:36 utc | 27

https://english.almanar.com.lb/1995842

A church in Bethlehem has created a nativity scene resembling the situation in war-torn Gaza, as Christmas this year approaches amid brutal Israeli onslaught on the besieged enclave.
The nativity scene at the Evangelical Lutheran Christmas Church shows a toy baby wrapped in the traditional Palestinian keffiyeh and placed in debris and rubble.
While the keffiyeh symbolizes Palestinian identity, history, and struggle, the debris represents destruction in Gaza, where over 16,000 people have been martyred by Israeli indiscriminate war, most of them children and women.
The toy baby, symbolizing Prophet Issa (Jesus), is believed to represent the thousands of children buried beneath the rubble in Gaza.
“Church families met last week and built it together. It was a moving experience for our families. During the service on Sunday, some people were in tears,” Reverend Doctor Munther Isaac, the church’s pastor, told The New Arab on Tuesday.
Bethlehem is believed to be the birthplace of Prophet Issa (AS). Thousands usually flock to the West Bank city every year on Christmas to celebrate his birth anniversary.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 6 2023 14:44 utc | 28

Lebanese TV reports:

16:06 Al-Qassam fighters strike Israeli enemy forces in northern Khan Younis, targeting a house where a number of Israeli soldiers hid, a Merkava tank, a personnel carrier


Comment - tally now up to 98 Merkavas claimed. Slightly over 20% of IDF active in service Merkavas.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 6 2023 14:49 utc | 29

Question:

Are all the IDF reserves still called up to active duty ?

Posted by: Exile | Dec 6 2023 14:51 utc | 30

pq is right about Crooke. His recent take on 'traditional values' and his attacks on homosexuals and other exemplars of the 'identitarian' smokescreen were bad- the guy is an old fashioned British Public Schoolboy of the prefect class who disapproves of Yanks yanking and Israelis playing einsatzgrupen games.
Still there is a tiny baby of the sort of Anglican honesty, that hypocrites copy, swimming in the bathwater of MI6 'diplomacy. and he often hits nails squarely.

As to the post itself. There is nothing new about the Empire and its agents committing genocide- 15,000 in sixty days isn't much for the forces that turned the mayans into a minority in Guatemalas's countryside, bombed north Korea until it was one big Gaza and turned the rivers of Java into corpse filled gutters of blood.
And the media didn't go out of its way to cover those events either.
The difference is actually the opposite of the normal charge against presstitution: as 'b' says this time they can't hide the truth. But that's a technological not a moral advance- social media, cell phones and TV screens everywhere have ensured that this counter-revolution 'will be televised.'

Posted by: bevin | Dec 6 2023 14:57 utc | 31

Circumstances are making it very clear that Ritter's view has been correct:
The October 7 Hamas Assault on Israel: The Most Successful Military Raid of this Century, Scott Ritter, Nov 13, 2023
https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/the-october-7-hamas-assault-on-israel

What were the objectives of this raid? According to Hamas, the purpose behind the October 7 raid were threefold.

First, to reassert the right of the Palestinian people to a homeland not defined by the Abraham Accords.

Second, to release the more than 10,000 Palestinians held prisoner by Israel, most without having been charged with a crime, and none with any notion of due process.

Third, to return the sanctity of the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, Islam’s third holiest place, which had been desecrated repeatedly by Israeli security forces over the past years.

To accomplish these goals, the October 7 raid needed to create the necessary conditions for victory. This was achieved by humiliating Israel sufficiently to provoke a predictable outcome—the implementation of the Dahiya Doctrine of collective punishment against the civilian population of Gaza, combined with a ground attack on Gaza that would lure the IDF into what was in effect a Hamas ambush.

The taking of hostages was meant to provide Hamas with negotiating leverage for the release of the 10,000 prisoners held by Israel.

### end of excerpt from Scott Ritter's piece.

The same intel (Light Forces) that created our solar system know what They are doing & help whenever circumstances permit. If They solved our problems for us, we would learn nothing. Look on the bright side if you can.

"Tactica Adversa is the tactical exhausting of the adverse. Precisely, when the Light Forces wish to fulfill some plan on Earth, They make allowances for all possibilities, envisioning even the worst circumstances, so that success can be guaranteed even under the worst conditions. ... Thus, from the worst is derived a benefit. When such tactics are applied, the enemies often contribute to the success. - Helena Roerich, LHR I, p 448

"We think, and our leaders think, that we can go on in the old ways, exactly as we have done — more competition, more greed, more of the same, and it will just go on, we will win. It is not so any longer; it does not work. If two-thirds of the world's population are living in poverty then the economic system does not work. If we think that they will go on without asking that it work for them, then we are sorely out of step with reality. - Benjamin Creme

Posted by: Toby C | Dec 6 2023 15:06 utc | 32

No one should be taken in by Arestovich‘s shit, he operates at the extreme end of Ukrainian-globalist cynicism.

https://t.me/llordofwar/253229

◾Ex presidential advisor Arestovich realised the poor choices of the Ukrainian establishment:

- We apparently spilt our blood only to find ourselves in the camp of the losing side.
So far, I see the president of Germany flying to Qatar and whom they forgot to meet... And we're told stories about the isolation of Putin on the world's arena. Whereas Putin is met with a cavalry parade in Qatar.

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 6 2023 15:42 utc | 33

^^^ Sorry, wrong thread =(

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 6 2023 15:44 utc | 34

Relevant content:

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/90985

Video in English 🇺🇸 Former US President Jimmy Carter admitted the horror of what is happening in Palestine and that American politicians are forced to support Israel due to lobby pressure.

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 6 2023 15:47 utc | 35

questions.
Should there be successful war crimes findings against IDF and Likud and leaders.. can the state be forced to pay reparations to rebuild Gaza? Would militarily supporting countries be included in having to make reparations?
If so and a two state solution is agreed.. would the arabic states especially those hosting Palestinian refugees support that and financially additionally? Considering the emnity between the Palestians and occupiers is a two state possible ...when many are saying now the only solution has to be a shared state, does that increase the possibility of reparations to be used for that?

Would a single state be an "opportunity" for true reconciliation of sorts between the peoples(oh gosh heck how on earth) .. I can imagine that establishing that might need an overall monitoring supervisory body eg to deal with the settlers that Isr. has permitted.. would that be UN? Or who?Arabic plus????

The shock and consequences of reparations would have a tremendous effect of shattering Isr. and supporters delusions about an occupying state to be acting in self defence.. huge ecomnomic and societal shocks ie a possibility of Isr hardliners settlers resistance and sense of betrayal ... how would that affect circcumstances? Palestine needs mnore space but so do the settlers .. and Palestine must have a sustainable economy . Refugees currently misplaced (and having more right to return than settlers to extend occupation)could return so what else would be required to enable that? Having a sustainable economy in their own state(if 2 state) would require what-land for growing crops (would he increasingly needed also in west bank).

Regarding the oil reserves offshore - could That be "awarded " or confirmed to be Palestinian and does that only work if a 2 state solution?But if for the longterm greater but more painful to initialise "good" a Palestinian-Isr one state is agreed , does that mean the oil reserves also benefits Isr.?Or might be a sort of saving grace for them to accept a 0ne state?

aljazeera programme today .. examined is Isr. a failing state. Fund for peace (fragile states index) . Very interesting .
One contributor says that the international realisation of the true horrors of IDF etc and particularly the settlers behaviours is starting to be recognised within Isr. itself and also lots of Israeli people are leaving ..splits within Jewish communities external and internal losses, concerns over zionism rightwing theoracies, within economy at the moment cost of the war etc and this may have an effect on the government, external viewpoints re what exactly does IDF military rule buffer zones etc mean within Gaza -arabic countries especially seem very concerned about this.

Explains why there is a certain realisation or stated "intention" by USA and Isr.that the IDF actions must finish within a few weeks and USA says will sanction settlers and Isr
must control them to avoid such internal tensions are just token efforts for Isr and to keep USA funding going and salvage some kind of public relations ?

Posted by: Jo | Dec 6 2023 15:49 utc | 36

@ canuck Right now there are two basic ways of looking at Palestine

Up vs down class struggle: a resistance movement fighting against oppression, apartheid and now genocide. The resisters are firstly Palestinians but all others on the Axis of Resistance, including those in NATOstan who see that Empire’s business model is too greedy, corrupt and broken to be sustainable.

Horizontal clash of “values” between nations: Forces of Light liberating folks through Wars of Terror since 1991 and now Genocide. Forces of Darkness: all who disagree.

My problem is not with Crook per se, but ALL those like him who keep pushing us back to War of Terror “them vs us” narrative that had been dormant while COVID reigned supreme. In a panel on the Jadaliyya website on law, many of the "legal" arguments that Israel tries to use to justify war crimes and torture come directly from the War of Terror.

Germany: police crackdown on Palestinian protest organizers. France: the “terror attack” where you see police standing around looking serious with lots of flashing lights.

USA / Canada: people getting fired, doxxed, blacklisted for being anti genocide.

New York Times and Reuters and others got a letter from 14 Attorney Generals in the US trying to clamp down on any fair reporting on Hamas as a participant in this conflict.

In a MacGregor interview I saw today, the host Cyrus Janssen said in a well meaning way, “well you can expect the children living in Gaza to become extremists”. How F*g racist can you be in an ignorant way?

The IOF is totally not extremist terrorism but he is already sticking an extremist label on Nakba descendants where a teenager has lived through SEVEN massacres by Israelis: 2008, 2012, 2014, 2018, 2020, 2021, 2023 and witnessed stuff so horrifying we can’t even imagine it.
As for Germany, in 2022 there were 13.4 million foreigners of which 70% are from EUROPE and AUSTRALIA.

As Canuck said, there is no reason a “well read, a successful diplomat, with massive ME experience who speaks carefully and thoughtfully” cannot also be a xenophobe who willfully spreads misinfo in a last ditch effort to save Empire.

As for Germany, in 2022 there were 13.4 million foreigners of which 70% are from EUROPE and AUSTRALIA.

The foreign population from Turkey which goes back to the postwar Gastarbeiter program has decreased slightly from 2015 to 2022.

The population from Syria + Afghanistan + Iraq has gone from 634k in 2015 to 1.6 million in 2022.

Crook gets hysterical about these 1.5 million refugees in Germany when in fact Pakistan, Turkey and Iran together host 9 million refugees, which is way more than the 2.5 million refugees in France, Germany and Italy. How about we stop waging war to create refugees?

All I want is to get away from xenophobia and Wars of Terror. Btw Putin was met grandly in Abu Dhabi now to Saudi Arabia. This is a big F U to Empire that they did not "arrest" him for protecting children in war zones.

https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Society-Environment/Population/Migration-Integration/Tables/foreigner-citizenship-time-serie.html

Posted by: pq | Dec 6 2023 15:55 utc | 37

Posted by: Ciaran | Dec 6 2023 13:44 utc | 25

Soooo, who wants to be the first person to mention Barbara Lerner Spectre, the comments she made about Europe learning to be multicultural, & her associates on the Advisory Board of 'Our Common Destiny'?

Posted by: Ffrank | Dec 6 2023 15:58 utc | 38

It looks like Biden is busy peddling Zionist fairy stories about mass rapes etc.
You have to hand it to those Zionist folk, nobody can match their hasbara lie factory.
As soon as you debunk one of their lies, they spew out a dozen more.

Posted by: anon | Dec 6 2023 16:01 utc | 39

Augusto Pi posting @ 11:16

An utterly shameful screed. So much for the attorney defending the undefendable. What amazes me is that Reuters itself has actually resorted to telling the truth about the situation in Gaza. That revelation is equivalent to a journalistic earthquake. Truth will always out...even while there are those who desperately defend the murderers and liars.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 6 2023 11:29 utc | 8

Thank you-you expressed my opinion better than I could.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 6 2023 16:03 utc | 40

canuck @21: "There are many pacific, moral Jews."

Weird observation: 100% of the decent Jews that I've been acquainted with have been atheist (this does not mean 100% of atheist Jews are decent... gotta be careful with the logic here folks). In fact, there are a number atheist Jews ranking among the most awesome people I've ever met.

Conversely, 100% of the religious Jews I've ever met have been insufferable assholes... complete rubbish as human beings.

Strange how that works. Perhaps it has something to do with believing oneself to be among "the Chosen"? Kinda like how 100% of people who imagine themselves to be "exceptional" and above the rest are total douchebags too. Maybe there is a pattern here... what do you think?

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 6 2023 13:00 utc | 21

I concede that many religious Jews were, are, will be 'complete assholes'; however, ironically, Orthodox Jews are complete pacifists. The IDF and police chronically harass them physically as they disdain their pacifism.

The Zionist idea of being 'The Chosen" bears quite a resemblance to our current, young, Woke people-'Being Special'.

A noxious idea whatever ethnic group spews it with the notable exception of nubile, young beautiful women of any race, they are always 'special' to me.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 6 2023 16:14 utc | 41

Because the US controls the global economy, the Jews have unlimited resources. Hamas does not. So, eventually, Israel would necessarily win. But it could take well over a year.

I don’t think it’s a goal anymore. Now they’re just trying to kill as many people as possible in the hopes that the survivors will leave the country as soon as they get the chance. They’re going to move them to white countries, of course. I think we need a map of conservative Zionism supporters so we can put the Palestinian refugees next to them. They’re the ones making this possible.
It’s going much worse than the Second Battle of Fallujah, which only took six weeks.

So now they’re just going back to killing people randomly with no military objective.

They’re announcing where they’re bombing through a cellphone app and telling people to run back and forth across the grid.

https://www.unz.com/aanglin/israel-announces-expansion-of-ground-operation-to-all-of-gaza-bombs-refugee-camp/

Posted by: ld | Dec 6 2023 16:30 utc | 42

Re: Reparations

UNR 194 (11.Dec 1948) mentions Israel paying for damages. ICJ opinion (2004) also mentions Israel paying for damages. It’s not ambiguous.

The Israeli central bank has $200 billion of assets. There are also many hundreds of billions of assets owned by Israeli citizens located outside of Israel. Finally, plenty of Israeli billionaire citizens live overseas ( for example Larry Ellison etc)

The example of Washington siezing Russian Central Bank Assets, Russian Citizen Assets, and Russian business assets comes to mind.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 6 2023 16:31 utc | 43

@Posted by: canuck | Dec 6 2023 16:14 utc | 41

I kinda like being amongst various types, even pushy and obnoxious. But that is me.
I try to imagine what it would be like if everyone was white and anglo saxon,
coiffed and ever pleasantly smiling.

I think of what is said to have happened to many a white woman settler that colonized
the open prairies. The prairies were an endless sea of sameness and the settlers
painted the interiors of their humble homes with white-wash. Every day nothing but
white walls and windows open to uniformity. They are said to have gone batty.

Watch this video and particularly the audience. To live amongst those homogeneous
smilers forever would be my hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPgmIO_73DU

Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2023 16:53 utc | 44

bevin @31: "The difference is actually the opposite of the normal charge against presstitution: as 'b' says this time they can't hide the truth. But that's a technological not a moral advance- social media, cell phones and TV screens everywhere have ensured that this counter-revolution 'will be televised.'"

I apologize if my post suggested the Empire was in moral decline. The decline is in terms of power and influence. Despite the brutality, for a period the Empire did have an overall progressive economic character. The Empire could slaughter in the Global South, but since it was delivering the goods the rest of the world would politely avert their eyes from the unseemly scene.

The Empire is no longer driving any economic progress. It has degenerated into empty brands and logos, so now there is no longer any reason for the RoW to be deferential. Presstitutes in prior times could occasionally offer light criticism of the Empire's behavior without being a threat to the Empire. That's not the case anymore. Now the truth only comes out when the presstitutes have no other choice.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 6 2023 17:08 utc | 45

questions.
Should there be successful war crimes findings against IDF and Likud and leaders.. can the state be forced to pay reparations to rebuild Gaza? Would militarily supporting countries be included in having to make reparations?
If so and a two state solution is agreed.. would the arabic states especially those hosting Palestinian refugees support that and financially additionally? Considering the emnity between the Palestians and occupiers is a two state possible ...when many are saying now the only solution has to be a shared state, does that increase the possibility of reparations to be used for that?

A couple brief answers:

Individual perpetrators
Those found guilty in criminal trials can be obligated to pay reparations to the victims. This also applies at the International Criminal Court (ICC). The Court has trust fund for victims from which reparations can be paid.

States
States can indeed be ordered by courts to pay reparations. That also applies at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) which settles disputes between states.

States that were complicit in the crimes, and their officials, can also be ordered to pay reparations.

It must be noted that all that is legally quite complex.

No one knows how these historic, tragic events in Palestine will end and what kind of a solution will result.

The only principled fair and just solution is - one democratic state. Democratic in a true sense, as opposed to the western plutocracies which advertise themselves as democracies.

The Arab states have already expressed their intention to rebuild what has been destroyed.

In my view the US/Israel should pay for the reconstruction and pay reparations to individual victims.

Posted by: JB | Dec 6 2023 17:08 utc | 46

https://youtu.be/oFRtBs65xvo?si=a6RpdNg3wpuC6kFA

To defend Eilat from Houthi missiles Israhell is being forced to use it's arrow missile defense system for the first time as far as I can tell.

While it's good (for them) that they have these things it's a sign of things to come that they have to bring out their best.

One wonders what next once the Iranians learn the characteristics of arrow.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 17:32 utc | 47

The Empire is no longer driving any economic progress. It has degenerated into empty brands and logos

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 6 2023 17:08 utc | 45

You underestimate the power of onlyfans, tinder and X ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 17:34 utc | 48

Any opinions on this video?
Titled: “Do you really know what happened on October 7th?”
Clearly targeted at young audiences.

https://twitter.com/propandco/status/1729421076902367340

Apologies if this has been posted previously.

Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 6 2023 17:43 utc | 49

U.N chief Guetterez invokes article 99:

https://youtu.be/fHHPepOmOb4?si=5MJc6AHc9OsaC_R8

Not sure what this will achieve that all the other useless UN articles failed to achieve but it sure sounds serious ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 17:53 utc | 50

Dan of steele ( Dec 6 2023 11:42 utc | 12 ) wrote:

I like the line about those who permit murder and do nothing to stop it are as guilty as those who actually do it. So where does that put us? If we are not actively opposing genocide, does that make us complicit as well?
Yes it does, although the less power we have the less so. It is one existence, one objective reality (despite at least 8 billion subjective ones if not untold more), we are not separate.

I'm not accusing the random person on the street or the people commenting here for participation in genocide, but when nation states essentially do nothing they are clearly culpable, and when nearly all nation states either do nothing or do things they know will amount to nothing then they —and we— end up guilty.

Guilty in much the same way we all became nazis whether we like or approve it or not when (if, as applies) our countries went to war with Russia by supporting nazi-led ex-Ukraine.

None of this is to deflect any guilt or blame from those directly responsible and involved such as Israel, zionists, the US, all powerful nations, and so on.

I see no reason to add onto the personal conscience of either Greg Galloway ( Dec 6 2023 12:51 utc | 20 ) or myself or anyone else "ordinary" like us; the point is to state the fact and increase awareness of how this is a failure of humanity as a whole.

We are meant to better than this (if nothing else then my our own past collective ideals), we have strived to be better than this (thus not only the existence of the UN and the various law on war that go back before the existence of the UN), all because we already know from thousands of years of human history what the cost is and where it ends, but we have failed to live up to all the aspirations and inherited systems created to enable us to be better. That this happened is a massive defeat of humanity as a whole.

· · · ·

Rather OT a very nice/"best" and admirable jewish person I've known was religiously observant although I'm not sure just how much so (it's not like I tagged along to the synagogue or jewish celebrations and the subject of religion never came up). I know the person was a Lib Dem (that's a small and traditionally third largest UK political party, this was many decades ago) but that's not really neither here nor there either.

Aside from that I would like to point out that part of the tragedy of things such as nazism and zionism or extreme islamism or wacky US-style pretend christianity or fanatical absolutist ideologies etc. (which now includes plenty of "centrism" and "liberalism") is that plenty of those people —except for and ignoring their temporary or topical insanity— are or certainly could be perfectly nice and likeable people. Of course the more steeped in the insanity they are and the longer they are the less there is left and in the end there's nothing much but a deep crust of fossilized evil (thus the examples given in the thread so far where people have in essence completely voided their humanity).

Don't judge groups by the worst nor the best one can manage to find, accept that very few people are one-dimensional.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 6 2023 18:11 utc | 51

thanks b...

it is such a sad situation where the usa is fully responsible for this, and many within the usa political system are in complete denial over it... then there is the general public feed manure in the msm 24-7... meanwhile innocent people continue to die, while israel mocks the whole process with the concept of their right to defend themselves... only an idiot would believe that.. apparently there are a lot of idiots to go around.. maga - make american go away... thats roger boyds, but i am stealing it..

Posted by: james | Dec 6 2023 18:12 utc | 52

Titled: “Do you really know what happened on October 7th?”

Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 6 2023 17:43 utc | 49

The narrative presented in this video accords with the information I've gathered from pro Palestinian sources since 7 October.

It aligns with my conception of what is accurate. I would venture it aligns largely with the narrative presented by b and others like Scott Ritter, Alistair Crooke, Garland Nixon, Richard Medhurst and Norman Finkelstein ...

I would present it as the canonical narrative of "what happened and why" on 7 October onward.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 18:14 utc | 53

Arch Bungle @48: "You underestimate the power of onlyfans, tinder and X ..."

They do seem mighty and immortal, but so did CompuServe and MySpace.

"Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 6 2023 18:14 utc | 54

@Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 18:14 utc | 53

Thanks for your reply.
It seems like it is getting some exposure despite yt banning it, apparently.
Every bit helps, and hopefully it will prompt people with limited knowledge to become more curious and seek out additional sources.

Posted by: tawharanui | Dec 6 2023 18:31 utc | 55

Interesting article on "voltairenet.org". It is not yet available on their English page: https://www.voltairenet.org/article220094.html
Mrs. Al Khater is the Qatari minister of international cooperation. On 25 November she went to Israel and spoke to the war cabinet. She also visited Gaza. It appears Qatar has direct authority over Hamas Gaza. A blunder from her part to speak so directly? The Israeli opposition parties which are now also part of the war cabinet, were surprised.
If 7 October is a false flag where high ranking people "let" things happen, then Netanyahu must have colluded with Qatar. Then Qatar is more of an enemy to Israel than Iran.

Posted by: Teraspol | Dec 6 2023 18:33 utc | 56

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 18:14 utc | 53

ahahha you are such a brick, a true Hamas foorlicker, what kind information you gathered from palestian sources?

LIHOped , false flag? what shit you want to tell us else ??, btw you have nothing better to do
to spend your time on this shit forum writing pointless crap comments for your filter bubble audience.
get a real life you turd

Posted by: bunglesuckshamasdick | Dec 6 2023 18:38 utc | 57

William Gruff | Dec 6 2023 17:08 utc | 45

You are right and add needed perspective.
I actually returned to this thread thinking that I had been a little too 'flip' in discounting the importance of the victims of these victims of Imperialism's later stage massacre (their number is surely reaching its end.)
When the Butcher's Bill of the modern era (1945-) of US hegemony is drawn up the paltry achievements of such amateurs as Genghis and Hitler (apologies to the Khans) will shrink into insignificance. The world that Truman and Dulles introduced is only comparable, historically, with the Bubonic Plague or the epidemics that their ancestors brought with the Bible.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 6 2023 18:39 utc | 58

https://truthout.org/articles/why-journalists-must-speak-out-about-gaza/

This op-ed was co-published by In These Times, Mainline, Mondoweiss, Prism, The Real News Network, Reckon, Scalawag and Truthout.

Why Journalists Must Speak Out About Gaza
Attacks on journalism and media are dangerous to us all.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 6 2023 18:39 utc | 59

The New Testament quotes Jesus as saying in Luke 18:25 that "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Jesus and the rich young man).

Where does AIPAC get funds to control US policy makers? Blpwback from our "aid" to Israel? Are those that control AIPAC so very rich?

Who else is getting rich? And then the brutal and ambitious and untruthful regime in Israel gains WHAT?

Posted by: medo | Dec 6 2023 18:45 utc | 60

ahahha you are such a brick, a true Hamas foorlicker,

Posted by: bunglesuckshamasdick | Dec 6 2023 18:38 utc | 57

Looool! Hahaha!

I knew the roaches would come streaming out of the sewers the moment I posted that and sure as night follows day here one shows up!

Eat shit, you zionazi fellatoroid!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 18:50 utc | 61

The Empire is no longer driving any economic progress. It has degenerated into empty brands and logos

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 6 2023 17:08 utc | 45

You underestimate the power of onlyfans, tinder and X ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2023 17:34 utc | 48

I'm with Gruff on this one

Posted by: canuck | Dec 6 2023 19:13 utc | 62

Posted by: ChasMark | Dec 6 2023 12:31 utc | 18

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How do you reconcile that opinion with China standing with Iran, and working to resolve the ancient hatred between Sunni and Shia?

Perhaps the world is not black and white, and we (specifically you) don't understand much of the context of the massive gray areas.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 6 2023 19:17 utc | 63

Posted by: canuck | Dec 6 2023 19:13 utc | 62

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I believe that Brother Bungle was being sarcastic.

And Brother Gruff is, of course, correct that America sells ideas and symbols, not knowledge, resources, or production.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 6 2023 19:18 utc | 64

Regarding the above post...

'ps: Note to Crook fangirls: I don't object to Crook's analysis. Rather than attacking me explain Crook's xenophobia and why he never discusses how in his 30 year MI6 career he contribued to the wars that created this crisis.

Posted by: pq | Dec 6 2023 11:57 utc | 13'


Well, I started reading your post, and it was just rant rant rant.

So won't 'attack' you.
I will simply not read any more from you, I will discount you.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Dec 6 2023 19:46 utc | 65

William Gruff | Dec 6 2023 17:08 utc | 45

You are right and add needed perspective.
I actually returned to this thread thinking that I had been a little too 'flip' in discounting the importance of the victims of these victims of Imperialism's later stage massacre (their number is surely reaching its end.)
When the Butcher's Bill of the modern era (1945-) of US hegemony is drawn up the paltry achievements of such amateurs as Genghis and Hitler (apologies to the Khans) will shrink into insignificance. The world that Truman and Dulles introduced is only comparable, historically, with the Bubonic Plague or the epidemics that their ancestors brought with the Bible.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 6 2023 18:39 utc | 58

Hate to burst your destruction bubble but nature herself is the worst killer. By far. Bubonic plague was tough but it takes about 15th place in killing humans when one factors in natural disasters. Ice ages, the Younger-Dryas period (12,700 years ago to 111,800 years ago caused by meterior showers ) killed thousands of species- homo sapiens were down to one family, Neanderthals wiped out..

Yes the US blah, blah yes mankind might kill millions even billions in self destruction in a nuclear catastrophe -some would survive. such that mankind's self destruction impulses pales compared to the ferocity of nature.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 6 2023 19:48 utc | 66

the people of gaza are hamas,they participated in the looting and raping,they are happy to be human shields,(it works better than iron dome or patriot missiles).What did hamas think was going to happen.no blowback??.Very important point is that the IDF and the general staff were embarrassed and humiliated by the breach.Lower level Israeli intelligence has warned for months that hamas was practicing and planning an invasion,The General in charge of Israeli intelligence and the General who is chief of staff brushed it off.If Israel was not at war they would be court marshalled.Sites that go on and on about ''civilians'' and the children always the children.That is a cheap manipulation targeted at the idiots of the west.12 million ukrainians fled ukrain,6 million syrians fled syria,only the arabs in gaza are stopped from leaving.Why is that ? Because its about the children GFY.Its about not wanting Israe to end the 75 year war with the arabs

Posted by: homer d | Dec 6 2023 19:52 utc | 67

dan of steele | Dec 6 2023 11:42 utc | 12
"I like the line about those who permit murder and do nothing to stop it are as guilty as those who actually do it. So where does that put us? If we are not actively opposing genocide, does that make us complicit as well?"

The US is a fascist totalitarian state and effectively - by law - a prison. A nice prison for many, perhaps, but we residents have exactly zero to say in this matter. YES, we are complicit. Our rulers make sure we are. There is a part of me wants to line up most of our "leaders", machine gun them, garrot them, gut them, whatever. Good luck with that. We have NO choice. This is NO democracy. They murder in OUR name, with our money, our resources. Oh, use smaller bombs our Israeli bros, and we'll keep shipping you big ones to replace them. It's good for business.

Regime change begins at home. It's past time. Sooner or later the US is going to get slapped down hard. Good. And then the ugliness will turn inward. Not so good. All these wars come home.

Posted by: oracle | Dec 6 2023 20:04 utc | 68

@ pq

Somehow I get the impression that your misspelling og Crooke’s name is deliberate…

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 6 2023 20:07 utc | 69

16:06 Al-Qassam fighters strike Israeli enemy forces in northern Khan Younis, targeting a house where a number of Israeli soldiers hid, a Merkava tank, a personnel carrier
Comment - tally now up to 98 Merkavas claimed. Slightly over 20% of IDF active in service Merkavas.
Posted by: Exile | Dec 6 2023 14:49 utc | 29

Update your numbers, this is not North Khan Younis, it's Al-Shojaiya East of Gaza City
https://www.t.me/syriankhabar/35174

Today all fronts were active even Deraa in Syria! I think a new forced ceasefire come soon.

Posted by: Framarz | Dec 6 2023 20:17 utc | 70

Any opinions on this video?
Titled: “Do you really know what happened on October 7th?”
Clearly targeted at young audiences.

https://twitter.com/propandco/status/1729421076902367340

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Comment - very powerful and indeed targeted to younger audiences. Note that has 3 1/2 million views so far.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 6 2023 20:29 utc | 71

Posted by: homer d | Dec 6 2023 19:52 utc | 67

What did hamas think was going to happen.no blowback??.Very important point is that the IDF and the general staff were embarrassed and humiliated by the breach.Lower level Israeli intelligence has warned for months that hamas was practicing and planning an invasion,The General in charge of Israeli intelligence and the General who is chief of staff brushed it off. If Israel was not at war they would be court marshalled.

This is also a very interesting comment that nobody has made.

"Its about not wanting Israe to end the 75 year war with the arabs"

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Lets ignore points in which we will never agree. You seem to know a thing or two about Israel.
Why do you think Netanyahu and IDF did not accept the warnings? Do you think it is possible that eliminating the Palestinians by moving them to Egypt was the plan all along or was it just their hubris (which seems too simplistic on an operation this consequential)? It seems that Israeli's are elated that they might finally get rid of the Palestinians, so it is difficult to see it is as a random rage fest event from the humiliation. If it was the plan, who do you think wants the War and would coordinate with Hamas? Is that Netanyhu or is it the US? If is the US, Israel seems to run our State Department and Congress, so who are you talking about?

Posted by: Turk 152 | Dec 6 2023 20:29 utc | 72

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/3788?single

Multiple hits on tanks by fighters. Note the zero infantry protection, and how secure the fighters feel by the time they spend right next to the enemy

Posted by: Hankster | Dec 6 2023 20:32 utc | 73

The following is true for the Palestinians as well:

Friendly Neighborhood Comrade
@SpiritofLenin
James Baldwin: "When any white man in the world says, give me liberty or give me death, the entire white world applauds. When a black man says exactly the same thing, he is judged a criminal and treated like one."

https://twitter.com/SpiritofLenin/status/1732464430900773144

Posted by: Menz | Dec 6 2023 20:34 utc | 74

Those Ukrainians fighting the war aren't gonna want to live in Ukraine, they're gonna want to join their families taking refuge in the EU.

Solves the issue of EU membership for Ukraine to Russias satisfaction.

Maybe offer what's left of Ukraine to the Zionists, solve the ME problem.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 6 2023 20:35 utc | 75

Hamas Daily SITREP

https://english.almanar.com.lb/1996480

Comment - return of triumphant tone; extraordinary video of fighters popping up 5 meters from a IDF encampment with IDF conscripts oblivious. This might be the attack that was claimed to have destroyed 60 IDF in tents a few days ago.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 6 2023 20:38 utc | 76

43 46

thanks for reply.

Posted by: Jo | Dec 6 2023 21:01 utc | 77

It's very difficult to get why pq insists on rubbishing Crooke so much (even down to deliberately misspelling his name). Crooke is just an ex-spook, much like McGovern or Johnson on Napolitano's show. Such people had to follow the official line when they were in post, and could only speak out after retirement. It's no good criticising him, as pq does, for being inconsistent between his active career, and post-retirement. No doubt he was obliged to do many nasty things in post, whether he liked it or not.
The things about Crooke, however conservative he is, is that his predictions about Gaza have proved to be 100% right, ahead of anyone else. It is not a question of some grand "clash of civilisations", which pq objects to. It is rather a question of the liberation of a territory occupied by foreign, European, colonists. How much this is true is shown by a Youtube by Avi Shlaim about his youth as an Iraqi Jew in Israel, where he's constantly treated as a racial inferior by the Ashkenazi schoolteachers. His father formerly rich businessman in Baghdad, is unemployed, in part because he can't speak Hebrew properly, only Arabic, the language of the inferior enemy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pt-DquOSL0. The battle today is about the liberation of any colonial territory. Naturally the cultures are different, as in any of the British colonies.

What counts in a commentator is the value of his predictions and analysis. and that rates high for Crooke.

Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 6 2023 21:07 utc | 78

dan of steele | Dec 6 2023 11:42 utc | 12
“I like the line about those who permit murder and do nothing to stop it are as guilty as those who actually do it.”

As well known for centuries, guilt for crimes should be objective, not subjective, crimes of omission are the same as crimes of commission, even in the absence of formal duties, and punishments for such crimes should extend ideally to the families of the guilty, so that will make them think twice before committing the objective crime of doing nothing to stop other crimes. For example all the gazans who could have stopped HAMAS from massacring or abducting israelis, and viceversa. I guess that once "objective" justice is made the land "between the river and the sea" will have no inhabitants left of either side. :-)

Also consider for example the dozens of millions of people who die each year around the world of sickness and hunger because the "objectively" mass murdering racist white supremacists of "the west" refuse to pay higher taxes to provide worldwide food stamps and free healthcare to the poor billions of "people of global majority". I guess that merely saying "I am not be brother's keeper" is in itself a crime, because avoiding the "responsibility to protect" is "objectively" a crime. :-)

Posted by: Blissex | Dec 6 2023 21:14 utc | 79

Thank you for bringing out the truth b

Posted by: Fadi | Dec 6 2023 21:15 utc | 80

@ Laguerre | Dec 6 2023 21:07 utc | 78

well said laguerre.. thank you..

Posted by: james | Dec 6 2023 21:18 utc | 81

Reuters has a posting title I find interesting

Saudi Arabia urges US restraint as Houthis attack ships in Red Sea

the sub title

Saudi Arabia has asked the United States to show restraint in responding to attacks by Yemen's Houthis against ships in the Red Sea, two sources familiar with Saudi thinking said, as Riyadh seeks to contain spillover

Wasn't Saudi Arabia fighting the Houthis within this past year?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 6 2023 21:19 utc | 82

Laguerre @78

There is no such thing as an ex-spook.

The only way to become an ex-spook is if the country you spooked for no longer exists (ex: Putin and the Soviet Union). It's exactly like claiming one is an ex-gangster from the Crips or La Cosa Nostra while those organizations still exist. It is a meaningless claim.

Of course, that doesn't mean to disregard what a supposed ex-spook says. It just means to keep in mind where it's coming from.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 6 2023 21:41 utc | 83

Wasn't Saudi Arabia fighting the Houthis within this past year?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 6 2023 21:19 utc | 82

Yemen has been a target because US UK want to control both ends of the Red Sea. Sisi is already in place and will be in place for another decade if a reform goes through as planned. He is really the #1 rotten apple in this whole thing after the NATOstan powers. Yemen has resisted.

The fact that it was always referred to as "Saudi led" intervention told me it was categorically never a Saudi "led" thing. UK / UK picked the targets in Yemen, provided and maintained the equipment, the Saudis / UAE were told to pay up and fly. It started before MbS was in charge, he put an end to it.

The assistance was requested by Hadi who was some sort of UK US stooge. "Internationally recognized" for me means stooge of US / UK and not supported by local people.

I suppose Saudi and UAE took the path of least resistance on that one. The Houthis are not technically "Iran backed". They get some support from Iran but they are nobody's puppets.

Posted by: pq | Dec 6 2023 21:45 utc | 84

Israel needs to disappear. The indoctrinated, mostly racist jewish people living there now need to be given a livable future, unlike what these fools are currently doing to the Palestinian people. What is the end game for this chaos? Are any adults in charge here? To me it looks like Israel is currently committing suicide by going on an uncontrolled murder spree.

Posted by: NewJerseyJoe | Dec 6 2023 21:46 utc | 85

Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 6 2023 21:07 utc | 78
«The battle today is about the liberation of any colonial territory.»

Many commenters here seem to have claimed that settler colonialists like the Zulus in southern Africa and the Uyghur in Dzungaria or the Han in Taiwan or the nipponese in Hokkaido (or the muslim arabs in Morocco and Algeria, or the poles in eastern Prussia or the czech in eastern Austria) have it coming and should be exterminated like [human animals] [orcs] especially if they have committed wholesale ethnic cleansing and massacres and genocides like the Zulus and the Uyghur did to the "natives" (were the bantus and the oirats settler colonialists too?).

Or are some settler colonialists less equal than other settler colonialists?

How far back should settler colonialism be undone to liberate the "native" populations?
Should the Mexica settler colonialists be pushed back to Aztlan to north of the Rio Grande or exterminated, to liberate the "native" people they oppressed and massacred, for example?

Posted by: Blissex | Dec 6 2023 21:50 utc | 86

Posted by: Blissex | Dec 6 2023 21:50 utc | 86

I'd be quite happy (and the world would be a much better place) if all the invaders left the Americas and it went back to the First Nations.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 6 2023 22:11 utc | 87

It is not a question of some grand "clash of civilisations" It is rather a question of the liberation of a territory occupied by foreign, European, colonists.

Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 6 2023 21:07 utc | 78

Thank you for agreeing with me!!!!!!

It is Crooke who keeps pushing civilization clash in his articles and book (less so in his interviews). I have repeatedly said I have no issue with Crooke's analysis of weekly developments on the ground in Gaza. It is basic and straightforward. I objected specifically to his xenophobic / Islamophobic quote from his recent SCF article. It is a theme he has pushed consistently for the last 15 years since he left MI6.

Ray McGovern is an encyclopedia of historical knowledge, a great human being and NOT a bigot like Crook.
I would never compare the two.

We are at a point where international pressure could shut Israel's slaughter down and I pray that happens.

I find xenophobia dangerous because in the event things escalate in West Asia, we will again be pushed into War of Terror type narratives in order to support Israel.

I see a huge amount of xenophobia in Europe and in North America but the European flavour is more specifically Islamophobic whereas the American flavour of xenophobia is more inclusive and also targets Central oAmericans and other Asians. The way to get support for war to support Israel is to play to people's prejudices about foreigners and other religions. Crook echoes the Islamophobia that I see from Borrell, Von der Leyen and most of the US Congress. The same people who promote imperial policies then start freaking out at the consequences of their own policies.

Posted by: pq | Dec 6 2023 22:32 utc | 88

Joey, Augusto Pi, PQ = Israeli trolls

Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Dec 6 2023 22:43 utc | 89

@ Blissex | Dec 6 2023 21:50 utc | 86

Desperate trollish smoke-blowing.

You can start by asking yourself: When was a Right of Return enshrined in international law?

Also, with specific regard to the territory of the USA: Ever thought of asking the First Nations what they want?

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 6 2023 22:43 utc | 90

@ Blissex | Dec 6 2023 21:50 utc | 86

Desperate trollish smoke-blowing.

First answer the question: When was “Right of Return” enshrined in international law?

Then, with specific regard to the original peoples of what is now the USA: Perhaps we could ask them what they want?

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 6 2023 22:50 utc | 91

Al manar 1 min ago

In response to the crimes committed by the enemy against our people in Gaza, the Islamic Resistance fighters in Iraq announced, in a statement, targeting the US occupation base, Ain Al-Asad, in western Iraq with a drone, hitting the target directly.
According to another statement, the Islamic Resistance fighters in Iraq targeted the US occupation base, Harir, in northern Iraq with a drone, hitting the target directly.
The Islamic Resistance fighters in Iraq targeted, for the second time today, the US occupation base Ain Al-Asad in western Iraq with a drone, hitting its target directly, a third statement mentioned.
Iraq’s Islamic Resistance had affirmed that it will continue striking the US occupation bases as long as the US-backed Israeli war on Gaza continues.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 6 2023 22:50 utc | 92

60,000 Jews rallied in America against Israel's brutality and genocide..the anti-Zionist faction here is not small..But the billionaires have never cared about such crimes...they are always looking for the next billion from Uncle Stupid...

Posted by: pyrrhus | Dec 6 2023 22:50 utc | 93

Hamas has a way with the US/Zionist war machine -

ISRAELI ARMY SPOKESMAN: Sinwar is underground and our mission is to reach him and kill him.

Well, take a look:
https://twitter.com/PalestineChron/status/1732495272696000945

Posted by: JB | Dec 6 2023 22:51 utc | 94

Russia should destroy all of Israel's illegal settlements, after giving the inhabitants 24 hours to leave. See how Israel likes being bullied.

Posted by: D J G | Dec 6 2023 23:33 utc | 95

Killing Palestinians is doing Satan's work. Killing Jews is doing God's work.

Posted by: Jill Kewes | Dec 6 2023 23:43 utc | 96

" I'd be quite happy (and the world would be a much better place) if all the invaders left the Americas and it went back to the First Nations.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Dec 6 2023 22:11 utc | 87 "


Would you be equally happy if all non Europeans left Europe and went back to their parts of the world ?

Posted by: Moonie | Dec 6 2023 23:46 utc | 97

Sooo many hasbarats, duplicate posters, name thieves, trying to make MoA look bad for its open door policy on comments. I guess it was to be expected, as Israel probably has the largest per capita online propaganda budget in the universe.

P.s. fake james @98, probably the same person who previously posted as D J G.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 6 2023 23:52 utc | 98

Sorry my bad, not D J G, I meant Jill Kewes above.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 6 2023 23:53 utc | 99

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 6 2023 23:52 utc | 99

Please don't accuse me of using multiple names, or of being hasbara.

Posted by: D J G | Dec 6 2023 23:54 utc | 100

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