Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
December 28, 2023
Biden Needs To Come To Israel’s – And His Own – Rescue

For now Israel seems to lose its war against the Palestinian resistance.

The October 7 attempt to gain hostages by Hamas and Islamic Jihad was successful. Israeli outrage about it should have been directed against the Israeli government and its army for their chaotic response. They likely killed more Israelis than Hamas did.

But outrage was instead instigated against the external enemy. In this case all Palestinians.

A united Israel urged its government to wage revenge. The government's announced aim is to remove Hamas. That however is impossible to do to a social movement with deep roots in its society. The real aim is to remove all Palestinians from Gaza, to either kill them or to dump them in some foreign land. This would be followed by an attempt to remove all Palestinians from the West Bank before capturing and annexing the south of Lebanon.

However no foreign country is likely to support such a genocide and to take up the burden of millions of unruly refugees.

The Israeli government still wants to satisfy its people but has no way to achieve that.

Meanwhile the resistance against Israel, which has been built by Iran over several decades, is increasing its response. It aims to press Israel into conceding defeat and to liberate the Palestinians from their Zionist occupiers.

Changing a society's mind requires a slow and long response. In the north Hezbullah is slowly escalating its tit-for tat war with the Israeli army. Some 100,000 Israeli civilians have fled from the border zone. The Ansar Islam movement in Yemen has blocked maritime traffic to Israel's Eilat port. The U.S. attempt to counter that has failed:

Despite the US calling the Red Sea tensions "an international challenge" requiring a united response, the initial coalition support was limited, with only 10 nations, including Bahrain as the sole Arab state. The Pentagon later announced that 20 countries had joined the coalition, with Greece and Australia among the new members.

In a setback to the US, France, Spain, and Italy have declined their participation in the alliance.

Local resistances in Iraq and Syria are attacking U.S. troops deployed in those countries. As long as its troops are there the U.S. can to nothing to prevent that.

There are also threats to Israel's Mediterranean coast line. Hezbollah has the ability to close down Haifa and and other Israeli ports. Missiles, cruise missiles and drones from Gaza, from Lebanon, Yemen and from resistance fighters in Iraq and Syria continue to target Israel day by day.

With more than 350,000 Israeli troops mobilized and Palestinian workers from the West Bank banned, Israel's economy is, for lack of workers, in deep trouble.

Its military forays into Palestinian cities in Gaza have so far achieved little results but incurred significant losses. All the army can do is to destroy those cities block by block. But Hamas continues to fight back, even in rubble.

The current plan is to make Palestinian life in Gaza so miserable that leaving it will be for them the only alternative to certain death. But leaving whereto when no one wants to take them?

That is a question Israel and its U.S. backers fail to answer.

With the war going into a prolonged, unsustainable phase the Israeli government needs to do something else, or fail.

It plans to open a new front in Lebanon against Hezbollah. But a repeat of the 2006 war, which Israel lost, can not be risked. To fight Hezbollah on the ground Israel needs active U.S. backing, not only by U.S. delivery of weapons, but by U.S. forces on the ground.

A new U.S. war in the Middle East  against a well prepared enemy is the last thing President Biden needs for his re-election campaign.

Pictures of Israeli settlers and their army raiding Ramallah to steal money from Palestinian money exchanges also lead to more negative voter responses.

Hamas says it can fight the war for several months.

Biden needs to shut the war down.

Either he does that now or his chances of a reelection will decrease even further.

Comments

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 3:10 utc | 206
…due to the influence exerted by Britain and it’s Anglo-offshoot America on the origin governments of these South/East Asian communities …
Photo of JFK as he receives call from ambassador that Patrice Lumumba has been assassinated….authorized by Pres DDEisenhower.
https://ratical.org/ratitorsCorner/LearnsPLassassinated.jpg
Backstory: PATRICE LUMUMBA
One of Africa’s anti-colonial and nationalist leaders was the charismatic Congolese Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba. In June, 1960, he had become the first democratically elected leader of the Congo…Kennedy’s support for African independence was well-known…
…3 days before JFK’s inauguration…the CIA had Lumumba brutally assassinated after torturing and beating him. According to Robert Johnson, a note taker at a National Security Council meeting in August 1960, Lumumba’s assassination had been approved by President Eisenhower when he gave Allen Dulles, the Director of the CIA, the approval to “eliminate” Lumumba. Johnson disclosed that in a 1975 interview that was discovered in 2000.
On January 26, 1961, when Dulles briefed the new president on the Congo, he did not tell JFK that they already had Lumumba assassinated nine days before. This was meant to keep Kennedy on tenterhooks to teach him a lesson.
On February 13, 1961, Kennedy received a phone call from his UN ambassador Adlai Stevenson informing him of Lumumba’s death. There is a photograph by White House photographer Jacques Lowe of the horror-stricken president sitting in the oval office answering that call that is harrowing to view. It was an unmistakable portent of things to come, a warning for the president.
Backstory reference: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/life-and-public-assassination-president-john-f-kennedy-cia

Posted by: chu teh | Dec 29 2023 4:49 utc | 201

Thank you, karlof1 at | Dec 28 2023 20:37 utc | 113
I got to Lavrov’s statement: “…First of all, we will be guided by the opinion of the Palestinians themselves…”
‘Nuff said.
Hopefully a related comment from my reading of Plato’s The Republic. Nearly done with Book V now, and my realization so far is that rather than seeing how a perfect city or state (constructed with the use of logos, so imagined at best) shows how the perfect human being would behave – the reverse so far is true, since in actuality it is human beings who are actively involved, and enjoyably so, in erecting that state ‘in speech’. Much, much better way than physically reducing the adjoining neighborhood to rubble. To prove what point?
Netanyahu and his crowd would most certainly better have been employed imitating Socrates and friends. If nothing else, The Republic did its own version of Gazafication without disturbing a single pebble beneath Athena’s temple. Plato intended and built a masterpiece that has survived, so much as Lavrov says, being guided by the opinions of Athenians themselves, even if most of those opinions were assenting; only the brief explosive remark in opposition now and then to recharge the argument, not recharge munitions.
One person did die. Socrates. There were Netanyahus (and Bidens) in his day as well. Some Palestinian shall found the next Athenaeum in Gaza.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 29 2023 4:53 utc | 202

It seems that almost everyone has ‘forgotten’ the obstacles which prevented Trump from appointing his preferred picks for the Trump administration. Many, many such positions remained vacant until end of his term.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 29 2023 4:26 utc | 215
Those obstacles are our famous ‘checks and balances,’ designed to prevent change that doesn’t suit the class which has always dominated the actual conduct of government in the US.
I regularly ask people to perform the following thought experiment:
Pretend that you have just been elected President of the US. State your top ten ‘day one’ priorities. Now make a list of the cabinet members you want to appoint to carry out your plans. Then explain how they will get confirmed by the Senate.
So far, no one of any political persuasion has risen to the challenge. Once upon a time opposition movements had Shadow Cabinets that addressed the issues that came before the actual government. This was useful, because it showed voters who would be responsible for achieving promised policies. In actual practice, though, the cabinet is picked by the deep state, and the permanent apparatus of the state goes on as usual.

Posted by: Honzo | Dec 29 2023 4:54 utc | 203

I’m no scholar. Just a farm boy who enlisted in the infantry in 1989 and was taught to hate the Muslims and subsequently fought them for over the last 30 years.
I’ll tell you what I’ve seen in Afghanistan and Iraq. They’re just farmers and small businesses owners who just want to raise their families and be left the hell alone just like any American in the blue collar class.
Taliban, Al- Queda and ISIS etc. Those are fake CIA Muslims. Created by western intelligence agencies to create division and war.
Then we invite pissed off denizens of those countries into the USA as “refugees” when we know damn well they are going to retaliate.
When the director of the FBI testifies before Congress and declares that there are active and ongoing investigations into ISIS terrorist cells in all 50 states he has just perpetrated the perfect blackmail upon the Congress and the American people.
What choice do we have but to increase their budget and forfeit more of our liberties so that they can keep us safe?
When anyone tells you we have to fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here. Just break eye contact and walk away. People who say that are either morons or liars.

Posted by: RLTW | Dec 29 2023 4:54 utc | 204

Now I know why Martyanov hates RT.
Thanks for the added context to Lavrov’s poor comparison, Karlof1
There was another poster who said the Mossad agent at RT has broken cover.
Others here has alluded to Russia pushy footing around with the “Jewish” community.
I can only imagine Mr Lavrov must be physically and mentally worn down from the unbelievableworkload for someone his age. I remember him submitting his resignation back at the start of the Syrian campaign.
I do not believe he tried to equate Palestinian to the Nazis.

Posted by: Suresh | Dec 29 2023 5:01 utc | 205

Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 3:10 utc | 206
re : …the influence exerted by Britain and it’s Anglo-offshoot America on the origin governments of these South/East Asian communities …
Photo of Pres. JFK stricken on call from Ambassador that Patrice Lumumba has been assassinated.
https://ratical.org/ratitorsCorner/LearnsPLassassinated.jpg
Backstory at https://www.ZZ.com/political/life-and-public-assassination-president-john-f-kennedy-cia
Extract:
PATRICE LUMUMBA
One of Africa’s anti-colonial and nationalist leaders was the charismatic Congolese Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba. In June, 1960, he had become the first democratically elected leader of the Congo, a country savagely raped and plundered for more than half a century by Belgium’s King Leopold II for himself and multinational mining companies. Kennedy’s support for African independence was well-known and especially feared by the CIA, who, together with Brussels, considered Lumumba, and Kennedy for supporting him, as threats to their interests in the region.
So, three days before JFK’s inauguration, together with the Belgian government, the CIA had Lumumba brutally assassinated after torturing and beating him. According to Robert Johnson, a note taker at a National Security Council meeting in August 1960, Lumumba’s assassination had been approved by President Eisenhower when he gave Allen Dulles, the Director of the CIA, the approval to “eliminate” Lumumba. Johnson disclosed that in a 1975 interview that was discovered in 2000.
On January 26, 1961, when Dulles briefed the new president on the Congo, he did not tell JFK that they already had Lumumba assassinated nine days before. This was meant to keep Kennedy on tenterhooks to teach him a lesson. On February 13, 1961, Kennedy received a phone call from his UN ambassador Adlai Stevenson informing him of Lumumba’s death. There is a photograph by White House photographer Jacques Lowe of the horror-stricken president sitting in the oval office answering that call that is harrowing to view. It was an unmistakable portent of things to come, a warning for the president.

Posted by: chu teh | Dec 29 2023 5:06 utc | 206

Post 222, above, need to insert unmentionable source in Backstory URL. Try longform for ZH.

Posted by: chu teh | Dec 29 2023 5:10 utc | 207

“One person did die. Socrates. There were Netanyahus (and Bidens) in his day as well. Some Palestinian shall found the next Athenaeum in Gaza.”
Posted by: juliania | Dec 29 2023 4:53 utc | 218
Thanks for that post juliania. Your mention of Socrates reminds of Refaat Alareer.
The sun won’t be seen here for another 3 weeks at least but your last line is a
warming ray of hope. The long arc of justice…

Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 29 2023 5:18 utc | 208

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 2:35 utc | 198
It could ultimately jeopardize the relationship Russia has built with China, for it won’t be long until the Chabad casts a greedy eye over to the far east and begins to covet the treasures of Russia’s slanty-eyed neighbours …
And what if the Jewish Zionist faction in the West should come to an accord with the Chabad Lubovitch faction in Russia? Will they execute a controlled demolition of the Russian federation as they did with the USSR and with Tsarist Russian Empire before that?

In Helmer’s latest piece about shipping in the Red Sea some of the Israeli connections are with Chinese shipping lines. The Suez route goes back millennia; I read of how by the early 1400s major Jewish trading houses there going back six centuries already had mansions in major Chinese port towns.
‘Jews’ grew from multi-generational trading house networks rooted in a world where hardly anyone travelled further than twenty miles from their birthplace and where each local jurisdiction featured firm feudal authority. But traders negotiating deals between such jurisdictions needed a different status, over time generating exceptionalism on their part and resentment on the part of the locals.
To see where Jews have enjoyed influence, zoom out. Yes, there are tightly wound skeins like the Chabad or Rothschilds, but wherever there has been significant trade there you will find them. Probably in China there are long-standing links with international Jewish maritime houses connecting India, Persia, Arabia, Russia and Europe (Tongs?). Thus most of the Western-sourced financing of the current Chinese expansion probably comes via these long-established ‘Jewish’ trading networks.
No doubt they are involved in the multipolarity movementwhich may well be their brainchild. Anti-Empire multipolarists blank out the implications of the international cooperation evidenced with Covid, upcoming worldwide CBDCs and officially aligned BRICS, WEF and UN Declarations.
Hmmm….. either the Jews are about to be exodus-ed again, or they will end up all over both Israel and Ukraine controlling East-West trade via the Gaza Canal + global CBDC management.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 29 2023 5:28 utc | 209

Posted by: chu teh | Dec 29 2023 5:10 utc | 223
Hi chu teh, a recent synopsis of Lumumba era by The New Yorker:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/11/06/the-lumumba-plot-the-secret-history-of-the-cia-and-a-cold-war-assassination-stuart-a-reid-book-review

Posted by: Menz | Dec 29 2023 5:34 utc | 210

Posted by: Honzo | Dec 29 2023 4:54 utc | 219
(“Checks and balances”)
Yes! Thanks for the reminder. The very essence of Mock Democracy…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 29 2023 5:47 utc | 211

Arya – آریا 🇮🇷
@AryJeay
📝READ: The constant repeated Zionist aggression on Syria means that the drone attack by Iraqi Resistance was exactly on target.
The drone attack by the Iraqi resistance yesterday, targeted the PIK Airfield, south of Eliad in the occupied Golan Heights. This airfield is utilized by the israeli “Elbit” military company to test its aircraft & drone systems.
This attack must’ve been a painful one & sensitive for the israelis.
https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1740505620900372682

Posted by: Menz | Dec 29 2023 5:51 utc | 212

Re: Existence of Israel
It’s my impression that no one is against Jewish people buying property in the Levant and setting up a life there. What people find questionable (criminal?) is the brutal stealing of property.
Compare Miami with , say, Nirim . In Miami; Jewish people have for some 80 years buying up property in uncoerced transactions between willing parties. No one believes Jews should leave Miami. Jews feel secure in Miami.
On the other hand, in Nirim, the property was simply taken in brutal ethnic cleansing. This happened in hundreds of places and continues to this day.
https://www.plands.org/en/articles-speeches/articles/2019/when-the-denial-bubble-bursts-an-israeli-kibbutz-faces-the-nakba
UNR 194 and to some extent UNSC 2334 address the question of finally paying for the property taken.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 29 2023 5:52 utc | 213

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 2:35 utc | 198
PS. I suspect a Big Deal has gone down, something like:
The ‘Western Elites’, especially its tightly organized ‘Jewish’ contingents, will deliver the West to the multipolarists, a front for a later One World Order, starting with bifurcation between the developed West and everyone else. The West will be contained, weakened and brought down from within, probably by 2030, without a world wide Nuclear Winter War.
In return for this, first they get Israel without Palestinians plus maybe also the rump state of Ukraine with Odessa which will become the main maritime entryway from the Orient to the Occident by way of either the existing Suez canal which they will possess or if not an alternative via Gaza, thus controlling one of the most vital world trade routes through the Red Sea through Gaza to Odessa. Second, they will run the West because CBDC’s will join governance and finance (totalitarian fascism) via “AI” algorithms making compliance a snap – they can remotely turn off your lights, lock your doors, make your car not start, block payments etc.
So the ‘Jewish’ networks will run the West ensuring there will be no nuclear war after which they and the RoW will create a new Round Table, Rule by Peers, but after not too long, guess who will end up at the head of that Table? (Hint: as foretold by the Prophets!)
What do you – or anyone else – think?

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 29 2023 6:00 utc | 214

Re: 40 IDF KIA in House Demo
On Wednesday there was a report that a group of ID was lured into a booby trapped house, when the charges exploded, the entire force was KIA. Hankster said he saw a video describing the action, but lost the link.
Anyone have confirmation ?
BTW – It was also claimed that 7 Merkavas were struck on Thursday, but that simply seems a bit too much, waiting on confirmation before adding to the tally of 135 Merkavas since 2.Oct

Posted by: Exile | Dec 29 2023 6:05 utc | 215

” Too many people will be duped by the RT item
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 28 2023 23:29 utc | 152 ”
What does this have to do with RT?th link I posted is to MFA Russia where anyone can read the transcript.
For me I saw a clear shift in position after Putin’s election announcement. Before they seemed more neutral, now they seem to be Israel aligned.
I’m sure Putin is already popular enough but the Zionist lobby can break a popular candidate in some countries and Russia is one of them. So it sounds like he is not taking chances.

Posted by: Pq | Dec 29 2023 6:19 utc | 216

Menz | Dec 29 2023 5:34 utc | 226
Thanks for that link re PLumumba. Around that same time I knew briefly the Capt. of KNkrumah’s presidential yacht as our paths crossed in Naples’ port. Shortly after, KN was to survive repeated assassination attempts. That was the time I first put attention on Africa. It was bewildering.
Re the photo of JFK, I had never seen it before this week.
It rocked my recall of those innocent times wandering thru my last coins and trying to eat raw fish.
https://ratical.org/ratitorsCorner/LearnsPLassassinated.jpg
BTW, I just learned that David S. Lifton left his body a year ago. He did great analysis of JFK’s assassination [Best Evidence] and was working on a follow-up “Final Charade” that I suppose will not see publication.
I’ll stop here before I mention the probable killer of RFK.
I have lived in bewildering times.
I will stop here before I mention the probable killer of RFK.

Posted by: chu teh | Dec 29 2023 6:29 utc | 217

@ Posted by: Pq | Dec 28 2023 23:38 utc | 156
Regarding Assad’s comments on the WW2 narrative — The Myth of the Good War by Jacques Pauwels.

Posted by: Earlybird | Dec 29 2023 6:32 utc | 218

Posted by: Jane | Dec 29 2023 1:04 utc | 180

Lavrov’s comments seem like a bizarre contradiction to statements made by top Russian politicians and officials.

Thanks. That’s my impression as well.

Posted by: Alchemist | Dec 29 2023 6:33 utc | 219

“taught to hate the Muslims”
Posted by: RLTW | Dec 29 2023 4:54 utc | 220
Appreciate your sharing how you came to a realization that people “over there” are normal people who want to get on with their life.
Does it make any sense then that these people would suddenly wake up
and think, I know, I don’t have any money but I am going to halfway round the world to a country where I don’t even speak the language and will be treated like an undesirable terrorist to “retaliate”….
Do you think it’s possible that like 30 years ago you are being conditioned to hate again?
Almost all of the “terror” attacks by the “other” on North American and European soil have been ones with glaring holes in the narrative and alleged “perpetrators” who always seemed to be “known to intelligence”.
Every. Single. One.
When there is a terrorist act in Syria or Turkey, the scenes are horrifying, as in Gaza. Yet the ones in the West have very strange photos that only raise questions.
I’m not saying that refugee flows can’t feel destabilising or threatening but the refugees are victims just like you / me of unhinged policies. If a “retaliation” is staged, it will be by intelligence agencies who need to keep populations fearful and divided.

Posted by: Pq | Dec 29 2023 6:44 utc | 220

For me I saw a clear shift in position after Putin’s election announcement. Before they seemed more neutral, now they seem to be Israel aligned.
Posted by: Pq | Dec 29
It’s that tapeworm I mentioned earlier.
Causes weird twitches …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 6:58 utc | 221

Almost all of the “terror” attacks by the “other” on North American and European soil have been ones with glaring holes in the narrative and alleged “perpetrators” who always seemed to be “known to intelligence”.
Every. Single. One.
=================
Absolutely

Posted by: Exile | Dec 29 2023 7:07 utc | 222

Jewish American Mac Blumenthal ( of the Greyzone Newssite) asks:
Whar is wrong with Israelis ?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4vKuB1su43c

Posted by: Exile | Dec 29 2023 7:12 utc | 223

ZH has a posting up with the title
Israel: Time For Diplomacy With Hezbollah Running Out As Expanded War Looms
the quote from Reuters

Hezbollah fired more rockets and drones at Israel than it has in any previous day, according to a security source, which Israel’s army said it shot down.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 29 2023 7:26 utc | 224

As for possible realistic outcomes of the war. I do not think Israel will be successful in their aim to drive out the Palestinians from Gaza. And the world will not look quietly on, if the end-result will be hunger catastrophes, typhoid or cholera epidemics, or some of all the other things that typically come with a large number of people in a small area with unclean water, no sanitation, destroyed infrastructure, etc.
Israel needs an exit-strategy. USA needs an exit-strategy.
What is the possibility that Egypt can be enticed to move back in an assume control of Gaza? Would Israel accept such an outcome? Would Egypt be interested. The don’t like Hamas/Islamic Brotherhood. But supposedly there are massive gas resources in the sea which would fall to Egypt. So maybe they could be enticed.

Posted by: Rune Denmark | Dec 29 2023 7:34 utc | 225

As the genocide against the people of Gaza in Palestine by the Zionists and US is entering into its fourth month, it’s good to see two testimonies from two different people: one is from an Israeli soldier with disability caused by operations he has conducted against the Palestinians; the other is from a 10-year-old Palestinian school girl who has been subjected to brutal genocidal operations and has lost her home, her school, and all her schoolmates.
The contrast between the two is noteworthy. The two spirits are on full display. I’ve put the links to the videos and believe watching them with attention and listing to them with care (even though one is in Arabic and the other in Hebrew) would be quite useful. The body language in both cases is something to be seen.
Transcript of the first video, a testimony by Avihai Levi, an Israeli soldier:

“I participated in several wars and operations, and as I hear this lady speaking falsely, you talk about the disabled in the army while the disable are sitting here, abandoned by you. You abandoned us, and I’m speaking about myself and him. You have abandoned us shamelessly. Our spilled blood places a duty on each one, of you, to take care of us. I’ll give you an example. I became paralyzed and extremely violent. I have debts of over 800,000 shekels. I’m restricted from all directions. This is my wife [turning back pointing to a woman behind him]. I almost killed her with my hands last year. I urinate on myself at night. I’m scared. I can’t sleep in the bedroom. If I don’t drink a whole bottle of alcohol every day, I can’t sleep at all. I’ve been waiting for any help from you for a year and a half. I’ve been waiting for a loan for a year and a half. Why should I declare bankruptcy? I’ve been pleading with you for a year and a half to get a loan in order not to declare my bankruptcy. Why don’t you take responsibility and get me out of this garbage we’re in? I struggle every day. I hit my wife every day. I urinate on myself. Understand, and you talk about weak people?! I have a head injury from an RPG [shouting]…I’m talking to you as if an RPG is hitting me, and I’m fighting. I smell the scent of corpses. I gathered the injured with my hands. Where are you?”

Transcript of the 2nd video, an interview by a reporter from Al-Alam with the Palestinian:
Palestinian Girl: All night, I couldn’t sleep. My eyes would keep closing and I would jump from sleep. Would close my eyes, I would wake up…I didn’t even understand how I fell asleep.
Reporter: What is your message for the world?
Palestinian Girl: I want to speak about my country and explain.
Reporter: Would you return to your home?
Palestinian Girl: Certainly. This is my homeland. I am steadfast in staying in my homeland to my last drop of blood, to my last breath. Until my breathing stops and I die. After that, too, I get buried in my homeland. I get buried in the agricultural land of my homeland. In the land where I’m buried, they will farm.
Reporter: Wouldn’t you like to leave your homeland?
Palestinian Girl: Never!
Reporter: Even with this cold, hunger, lack of medicine? Still, you don’t want to leave?
Palestinian Girl: No! We won’t go anywhere! We stay!
Reporter: Is that how much you love Palestine?
Palestinian Girl: Yes, I love it this much. Palestinian kids will not abandon Palestine.
Reporter: O, Arab and Muslim nations, and the world! These are the words of a child who has endured bitter cold and hunger. O, you, Zionist regime, you brought hunger to this kid, you destroyed her home, but she still tells you that I have Palestinian blood in my veins. Is it so?
Palestinian Girl: Yes! And I have message for Netanyahu and the enemy: God suffices me. God is my best support in facing you. We will teach you! O, those of you who has brought cold on us and destroyed hour homes, we will show you who is fighting you. Whether we win or die, this is not our end. We fight you and stand up to you generation after generation. England, Italy, and other world powers stand beside you; God, the Almighty, the Owner of universe, the Glorified, the Merciful, the Powerful is with us.
Reporter: Do you have any news about your home? Do you know whether it is still standing or has been destroyed?
Palestinian Girl: I know that it has been bombed and destroyed. I left all my toys. I will return there. I will set up a camp over it. I’ll put up a tent over the ruins, the rubbles of my home. The biggest tent! And this is how I will stand up to them and I will raise the Palestine flag.
Reporter: God Protect you. Do you go to school? What grade are you?
Palestinian Girl: I am in the 3rd grade.
Reporter: Do you know they have demolished the schools?
Palestinian Girl: I know that my school has been destroyed. I know all my girl classmates have been killed. They have been martyred and have gone to God.

Posted by: mt | Dec 29 2023 7:38 utc | 226

The IDF soldier testimony will be repeated 300,000 times more – the IDF conscripts and weekend warriors are experiencing serious PTSD already. Hence, the widespread Blind Rage atrocities.
Blame the Likud for this tragedy.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 29 2023 7:51 utc | 227

Arch Bungle
Something wrong in my inner time clock when I’m prevented from celebrating Muslim family culture when a Sikh shop owner makes my wife work on Xmas Day so that Muslims can enjoy their day off shopping together and my guest has to buy a takeaway.
Who’s in charge of this mess?
A senior Labour MP in our next Herr Starmer Govt. So glad I got that off my chest. It’s a national holiday in the UK@ $$,!€£¥.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 29 2023 7:55 utc | 228

@Trubind1 | Dec 28 2023 22:29 utc | 137

I think US also concerned about Hasan (Hezbollah) speech in Jan 3rd… especially since assassination. Will he call for full on 3rd Infitada… is that why it’s on 3rd?

It is the 4th anniversary of the murder of General Soleimani, obviously.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 29 2023 7:56 utc | 229

The US is busy sanctioning the rest of the world. From the Financial Times:
US cracks down on money flow to Iran-backed Houthis. Treasury imposes sanctions on entities in Turkey and Yemen after attacks on commercial vessels around Red Sea.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 29 2023 8:27 utc | 230

Paul Rogers’ opinion piece in the The Guardian on December 21:
Israel is losing the war against Hamas – but Netanyahu and his government will never admit it

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 29 2023 8:30 utc | 231

At least Putin cannot threaten Israel with the ICC, since he has an arrest warrant against himself. I am inclined to see it this way: just as in the case of Ukraine, Russia does not want to be seen as an entity that threatens other states’ sovereignty. The Soviet Union sent Ukraine as an “independent state” to the UN. The Soviet Union was also the first state to recognize Israel. Full-throated support to Hamas would undermine that. Let’s be honest, Hamas is not so clear about Israel’s right to exist either. There are some statements that seem to support it but are they really credible or just opportunistic? That is the question.
If Russia were now perceived to be a superpower that threatens other states’ existence the same way the US does, it would pull the rug from under the “multipolar world”.
But Russia also has to keep its powder dry for another reason. Even if international media does not report it widely, the safety of Saint Petersburg is now an issue due to the developments in the Nordic countries. Defense Cooperation Agreements with the US were signed by three Nordic countries just before Christmas. We know what “defense” means.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 29 2023 8:55 utc | 232

In short, I see the statements coming from the Kremlin as an expression of Russia positioning itself as a superpower. But a different kind of superpower.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 29 2023 8:59 utc | 233

Herr Starmer Govt. So glad I got that off my chest. It’s a national holiday in the UK@ $$,!€£¥.
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 29 2023 7:55 utc | 244
There’s your problem right there.
A zionist Jew runs your country.
Add the UK to my list of states turning to shit under Jewish rule:
1. Judea (done)
2. USSR (done)
3. Ukraine (done for)
4. Izzrael (doing)
5. Argentina (dead in the water)
6. England (circling the drain)
7. America (on slow boil)
Wouldn’t put these folks in charge of a trailer park …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 9:27 utc | 234

The contrast between the two is noteworthy. The two spirits are on full display.
Posted by: mt | Dec 29 2023 7:38 utc | 242
Thank you for the effort. I’d seen both separately and remembered them because they are so powerful.
I see Palestinians focusing only on survival, resilience and resistance.
Regarding Assad’s comments on the WW2 narrative — The Myth of the Good War by Jacques Pauwels.
Posted by: Earlybird | Dec 29 2023 6:32 utc | 234
Thank you. Will read.
@Exile all videos are on Al Qassam and Al Quds telegram (or mirror channel. I think by “destroyed” they mean rendered inoperable. Even by destroying treads on tanks they need to be taken away which creates a whole new set of ambush opportunity.

Posted by: pq | Dec 29 2023 9:35 utc | 235

Israel’s right to exist
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 29 2023 8:55 utc | 248
What is your definition of right to exist? Please define. Sincere question.
Even wikipedia agrees there is no such term recognized in international law. It’s part of the Zionist mythology like “right to self defence”. Does Hamas accept Israel’s right to exist is a follow on to Pier Morgan’s “BUT do you condemn Hamas”.
1. Right to exist as a state wholly dependent on American taxpayer subsidies?
2. Right to exist as an apartheid state?
3. Right to exist forever as an occupying power? (ICJ 2004, waiting on ICJ 2024 ruling)
4. Right to exist despite violating EVERY SINGLE CONDITION that it’s right to exist was contingent upon.
5. Right to exist by murdering in 1948 the UN negotiator tasked with implementing UNSC 194? Who does that?
6. Right to exist as an entity that threatens free speech across the Collective Waste?
I see an Israel that does already exist and has been obliterating an indigenous people’s right to exist for at least a hundred years.
I would argue that if Zionist movement / Israel had not behaved like a terrorist, apartheid settler colonial regime it’s right to exist would not be questioned. And those violent actions occurred for almost a century before Hamas existed.

Posted by: pq | Dec 29 2023 9:51 utc | 236

The general consensus among Israelis I know, some former IDF pilots/soldiers, is that Israel is finished. To say that the Israel/US axis did not account for this when planning this action over a year ago is completely misguided. The question, then, is why. No one is asking this.
Posted by: Elmore Pumares | Dec 28 2023 15:47 utc | 11

Stop trying to interpret individual conflict theaters as disconnected. The whole world is in play now, and there is really only one conflict.
The WEF/Davos crowd have been telegraphing their intentions to depopulate the planet for quite some time now. “Useless eaters…”
Ukraine, and now Palestine, soon Iran, Russia, and China, are all escalation steps toward full-scale WWIII.
Once the “whole house is on fire”, it seems predictable to me that the US “will be forced” to defend “Democracy™” with nuclear & biologic weapons.
A final population of 0.5 Billion is desired.
The Parasite-class (“elites”) have been preparing their island bunkers for some time now.
To those who say the West will never engage in nuclear/biologic war, take a close look at the health of vast swaths of North American farmland (pesticide drenched), and the lessons of Chernobyl (“life goes on”). The same crowd pushing for Armageddon are also advocates of TransHumanism & embracing Cyborg-style implant technologies. They could end up looking like the people in the last scene of the original “Planet of the Apes” and still think they won.
Within a couple of years, AI + Robotics will have made 90% of humanity unemployable. Why wait till the hungry masses come looking for heads-to-roll to begin “the Great Cull”?
Finns had an 80 year working treaty with Russia. They now have US assets painting a big target on them. How do these actions express a concern for the health and safety of Finnish people?
“We are all Palestinians now,” because (like the oh-so-expendable Ukrainians) the majority of us are next in line for liquidation (by completely unforeseeable but carefully gamed-out “events”).
Wait for it.

Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 29 2023 9:59 utc | 237

Posted by: pq | Dec 29 2023 9:51 utc | 252
Those states that have recognized Israel are disinclined to “unrecognize” it, Russia being one of them and indeed the first one through the Soviet Union.
But fair enough. If the situation is indeed comparable to Nazi Germany, then a postwar situation would need to be comparable too. Postwar Germany was not exactly a successor state to the earlier Germany for many reasons such as the massive territorial changes and the occupation by the Allied. Perhaps something similar is in the works, hard to tell. It is safe to say that Israel as it exists NOW is finished.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 29 2023 10:06 utc | 238

genocidal | Dec 28 2023 18:06 utc | 48
apparently logic is a completely alien thought process to you. Please explain how tunnels are used as an offensive weapon.
btw, I know what you are and certainly do not expect a reasoned response

Posted by: dan of steele | Dec 29 2023 10:28 utc | 239

Posted by: SG | Dec 28 2023 16:06 utc | 18
Interesting point of view. But, there are also large differences between Russia and its invasion of Ukraine and Israel and its invasion of Gaza. The most important one IMO is that both Ukraine and Israel are subsidized by the West, and that is a major weakness. They cannot fight based on their own power. That factor gives credence to b’s take instead of to yours: that Israel will fail while Russia will succeed because Russia is independent while Israel is subsidized.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 29 2023 10:40 utc | 240

Jonathon W 254
Both parties, the Zionists and the Islamists, are trying to intensify the war at the moment. Islamist imams as always use verses of the Qur’an about the enemies of Islam to try to silence advocates of negotiation and peace.
Zionists do the same.
The way is neither that nor this. Islamists using the curse of Allah on Polytheistt persecutors of Islam against voices of reason will draw the curse of Allah upon themselves for changing the meaning of the Word of God, which the the Jews and Christians also did before them.
Putin is right to utterly condemn Muslim Brotherhood for starting a war a year ago by shipping weapons from Ukraine to Gaza, obviously with full knowledge by Mossad.
If we run the world by terrorism, there will be no world left.
Of course the genocide has existed for over one hundred years, but something is wrong when the Islamists collaborate with the Zionists , because the Qur’an expressly forbids this.
There is always a path to diplomacy when the extremists on both sides are prevented from distorting the facts.
The United Nations upholds the legal right of the Palestinians to coexist on their original land with anybody else who simply wants to live there legally.
All peoples of faith from the three peoples of book can find a legal and peaceful solution so long as the fake Jews, fake Christians and fake Muslims are excluded from the debate.
The United Nations is the only tool we’ve got. If it needs reforming , so be it.
Fundamentalist voices from Rapture wonks, fundamentalist voices from Muslim Brotherhood and fundamentalist followers of the fake Talmud ALL want war, murder, destruction. The Qur’an affirms that the priests rabbis and Mullahs will be at the forefront of War.
They need to be firmly put in their place and locked up, while men and women of reason and compassion, knowledge and humanitarian wisdom sort it out.
That’s what will happen if the human race wants to survive 2024. No other road will lead to peace, and no road to war in a nuclear age will ever lead to anything other than total destruction.
You ain’t seen nothing yet. Give the adults in the room a chance to sort it out or fry. No other choice.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 29 2023 10:49 utc | 241

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 29 2023 10:49 utc | 257
Good stuff. Hopefully the signs we are seeing are precursors to a fundamental change in “how the world works”. It may seem like Putin is getting on board with the WEF but I think the change that is going to come is more fundamental and genuine – so fundamental in fact that it inevitably takes time to materialize.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 29 2023 11:26 utc | 242

RE: Posted by: Giyane | Dec 29 2023 10:49 utc | 257
There are no “adults” in the room.
The weapons from Ukraine a year ago mean nothing in this 70 year conflict.
This is about oil and control of the ME after Ottoman and shipping lanes. This isn’t about MB either. Or the “Palestinians”. It’s China mainly, “taking out Iran’s oil fields” as Lindsay Graham states, is about China.
Russia as usual is slow on the take and action, haplessly defending its Syrian port as well as Black Sea, while West looks to dominate and choke all shipping lanes globally.
“War is upon you”….
As they say in Lord of the Rings ( you may not want war)
When the alternative isn’t Peace, but subjugation, then a choice for war must be made. The “UN” was never, nor has ever, prevented or stopped conflicts. It simply chooses a side to punish. It’s a worthless, corrupt, “mob rule” organization that the sooner abandoned, the better off the nations will be. Russia is trying to put new wine in the old wine bottle out of its fear and loathing of “war”. Russia keeps fighting the same enemy invasions century after century instead a breaking the wine bottle.
I don’t think the ME is interested in following Russias historical footsteps in that regard, neither is China. Both suffered UK subjugation & humiliation.
Perhaps Russia should just sit this next war out and defend its borders and shut up. They want to continue their endless centuries of wars and humiliation by West, as even now, then relegate themselves to background noise and allow others to defend themselves.
I’m guessing Syria has had enough of Russia’s subjugation.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 29 2023 11:57 utc | 243

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Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 29 2023 12:25 utc | 244

They speak of “Adults in the room” but it is the children who show us the way:

13:41 Clases erupt between Palestinian youth and Israeli occupation forces in Kfar Qaddum, east of Qalqilya in the West Bank

The children are being murdered in the streets. The ‘Great Powers’ stand indolently by – paralyzed by ‘morality’.
And the children, seeing that the Adults have forsaken them, now fight for a chance to live.

“The Kingdom of God belongs to those who are like these children.” — Issa Ben Yusuf

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 12:39 utc | 245

I am of the mind that the escalation in Gaza including the manipulation of Hamas into the action it took, is wholly related to the failure to defeat Russia by fair means and foul and the particular failure to finally retake their ancient land of Crimea and the two seas it straddles as the crossroads of the world.
The false flag by the Zionazis acts as the causus belli as the real attack upon the Donbass and Russians did a decade ago by the coup in Ukraine.
Lavrov is correct in making the observation that is what the illegal apartheid entity has attempted to do. To make the false equivalence.
Because one is local Russians fighting the banderist Nazi brainwashed Ukrops – the other is ZioNazis fighting the Semitic locals.
Many of whom are Jewish, Christian and various other beliefs but none are European invaders pretending to be semites.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 29 2023 12:41 utc | 246

RE: “Wait for it.”
Posted by: retroflecks | Dec 29 2023 9:59 utc | 253
Agree. “One Ring to Rule them ALL”… WEF.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 29 2023 12:42 utc | 247

RE: Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 29 2023 12:41 utc | 262
It’s more the failure of Russia in both Syria & Ukraine to mean what they say and say what they mean. Their “strategic patience” is an open door for provocations and opening new fronts. US made out like bandits in Ukraine. Got NS2 blown up, killed 1/2 million Slavs, and subjugated all of EU and got Arusha to relocate it Sevastopol fleet and made Black Sea unusable.
Not bad for 2 years worth of work and 100 billion.
Now, moving on to Iran… (China) …oil…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 29 2023 12:52 utc | 248

(fake)james | Dec 28 2023 18:52 utc | 71
what disappoints me is the rampant antisemetism that israel still faces some eighty years after the holocoust
curious isn’t it? There was a lot of ill feeling toward Jews for a very long time….one might say since they first started writing about their adventures which started about 4000 years ago. where ever they go they are constantly fighting and smiting, persecuted and enslaved, trying to be top dog. Yet they remain isolated from other tribes and will not or cannot peacefully co-exist. When a child has trouble with every other child, runs into trouble with every school he goes too, and is always getting into fights a normal person would say there is something not quite right with the child. That argument does not apply to this group however.
Because thinking and caring people were disgusted by the horribly efficient way of exterminating undesirables a successful campaign of forbidding anything negative against the Hebrews was implemented throughout Europe and north America. Severe laws are in effect in Europe and a similar narrative established in the US. A strong Jewish presence in Hollywood as well as mainstream media enforced the notion that one could not say anything negative and this is so prevalent in the US that people are afraid to say the word Jew. They will use the term a person of Jewish descent.
While I am ranting, I think we should make an effort to tell the story as it really happened in Gaza. Everyone will agree that a nation has the right to defend itself when attacked. However as far as I can tell Hamas actually attacked militant settlers and Israeli military who were in Palestine and not in Israel. Occupiers should not have the expectation that they can plunder and pillage at will without ever suffering any consequences.
/rant

Posted by: dan of steele | Dec 29 2023 13:03 utc | 249

RE: “And the children, seeing that the Adults have forsaken them, now fight for a chance to live.”
“The Kingdom of God belongs to those who are like these children.” — Issa Ben Yusuf
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 12:39 utc | 261
Agreed. It’s why all their machinations & weapons of war will fail.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 29 2023 13:06 utc | 250

@Kassandra
“@2
Regarding the Israel / Palestinian situation, I think the best source for predicting the outcome is the Bible.
Which one? The Septuagint with the two Books of Maccabees sponsoring the Mitzva #188 in the Talmud, or the Proverbs 3:17-19 and the resulting obligation to offer peace first, in the sense of Mitzvah #4?
The problem are the ones who choose.”
Perhaps the Israelis would be wise to invoke the Qur’an itself in a bid to bring Hamas and Co. to the table to work out a peace plan:
Qur’an 8:61 “And if they incline to peace, then you should incline to it; and put your trust in God; He is the All-hearing, the All-knowing.”

Posted by: John S | Dec 29 2023 13:54 utc | 251

i don’t even know what a right to exist is, but if there is such a thing Israel has forfeited it. Palestine needs its country back. Jews and Palestinians and Christians coexisted peacefully in the MIddle East for some time from what I’ve read, I hope that time can come again, but not as long as there is an ethnic supremacist Jewish state.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 29 2023 14:17 utc | 252

Exile 106.
==========
All barflies should read the article linked about the problem of the haridim in Israel.
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/haredim-not-arabs-or-iran-are-the-biggest-threat-to-israel-opinion-672968#google_vignette
The ironies that abound in this situ as described in the article (from 2021) are simply jaw-dropping. Viz.

. . .
It’s not from the Palestinians, important though they are (as I argued on these pages), nor from the wider Arab world or even Iran. The greatest danger is from within: the rapidly expanding haredi state-within-a-state whose current dynamic cannot continue without ending the country’s brittle tenure as a Western-style democracy with per capita income to rival Britain or France.
As we know, the haredim cling to a rigid interpretation of Judaism which tolerates little deviation from ancient traditions. [[[[But but but, isn’t ancient tradition the premise of the supposed legality of the Zionist State?]]]
This can be traced to the decision some 70 years ago by David Ben-Gurion to grant draft exemptions to students at yeshivot. Back then this applied to several hundred genuine scholars.
This arrangement turned Torah study into an arguably unprecedented obsession in which all haredi men are pushed to lifelong seminary duty, first to avoid the draft and then essentially as a source of welfare.
As a consequence less than half of haredi men are part of the workforce, the lowest participation level of any identifiable group in Israel – and, tellingly, far less than haredim in other countries. The minority who do work tend to populate a vast religious bureaucracy that includes supervisors of the mikvaot ritual baths, kashrut food certifications, and other apparatchiks. [[[So US dollars help support a huge religious bureaucracy of freeloaders in a country with an established religion, along with the freeloader settlers]]
Women in the community . . . produce [on average] 7.1 children – far more than in any identifiable group in Israel. . . .Thus the community doubles itself every 16 years, four times the rate of the rest of Israel. [[another demographic nightmare for the rulers of Occupied Palestine!!]] . . .
TENSIONS HAVE long been high because of the ballooning draft exemptions, a flashpoint amplified by the almost uniform haredi support for the right wing (ironic, given early haredi opposition to Zionism). Many see this as perpetuating a conflict in which they refuse to fight (they are also a disproportion of West Bank settlers). [[Whoa! From Williamsburg to the West Bank!]]
It is out of deference to the haredim that Israel continues to allow all religions monopoly over formal marriage, granting Orthodox Judaism . . .authority over conversions. Thus many of the Russian-speaking immigrants are not recognized as Jews . . . [[From what era? From what country?]]
This entire arrangement is acquiesced to and funded by Israel’s non-haredi majority whose way of life it stands to destroy by virtue of the birthrate. Partly that is out of fear of being branded intolerant – a classic problem of liberals in dealing with illiberalism. [[[oh dear, branded intolerant!! ]]]
For Right-leaning parties to join the Center-Left in upending the current suicide march, they would need to abandon all hope for a future government that is uniformly right wing –. . .
This means that the fate of Israel rests with the Palestinians. If Israel and the Palestinians find a way to reach peace (or at least defang the conflict), a critical issue that gives the right wing meaning in Israel will disappear. [[[So “defanging the conflict” is only desirable because it helps the Occupiers—not because the occupied have any rights. Why should the Palestinians have any motivation to strengthen the Occupying state that hates them?]]
If they do not, then the Right may never find the courage to break decisively with its haredi flank.
Anyone who cares about Israel surviving therefore has a second reason to yearn for peace [[No further comment.]]

This was written in 2021. It seems to me to be an admission that Israel cannot survive its internal contradictions even if it succeeds in beating Hamas and genociding the Palestinians.
, and suggest that the Haredi in Israel are kind of analogous to AIPAC and the Israel Lobby within the USA. Mainly, everyone is afraid of them!

Posted by: Jane | Dec 29 2023 14:18 utc | 253

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 29 2023 12:25 utc | 260
Thanks. The guy’s website with other stories from other contributors:
https://www.doubledown.news/

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 29 2023 14:19 utc | 254

Posted by: Jane | Dec 29 2023 14:18 utc | 269
The Haredi may be welfare Queens but at least they don’t let their men march off to War.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Dec 29 2023 14:52 utc | 255

@Johan Kaspar | Dec 29 2023 10:40 utc | 256

The most important one IMO is that both Ukraine and Israel are subsidized by the West, and that is a major weakness. They cannot fight based on their own power.

Neither can Hamas. Between Hamas and Israel the most self sufficient actor is Israel: Gaza has no economy, no food, no water, no fuel, no energy.

Posted by: SG | Dec 29 2023 14:59 utc | 256

….. Gaza has no economy, no food, no water, no fuel, no energy….
FYI – concentration camps usually don’t have active economies

Posted by: Exile | Dec 29 2023 15:07 utc | 257

Pertinent to this and the Ukraine thread:
https://scheerpost.com/2023/12/28/patrick-lawrence-to-retrieve-history/
The children. One wonders how the ICC charges against Putin will compare.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 29 2023 15:09 utc | 258

Posted by: SG | Dec 29 2023 14:59 utc | 272
Irrelevant reply. You were comparing Russia and Israel, not Ukraine and Hamas.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 29 2023 15:16 utc | 259

Brillent thread.
Its had me on the edge of my seat, thanks all.
So basicaly Russia, Putin and Lavrov are saying they are fighting nazi’s. And that the izzies amarica and england should be fighting nazi’ sounds good to me.
First find your nazi then fight back.
I,v been saying that right here for maybe 8 years.
And spare me the mental gymnastics seeded by the nazi,s.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 29 2023 15:19 utc | 260

Exile | Dec 29 2023 15:07 utc | 273
*** FYI – concentration camps usually don’t have active economies***
So all the stuff about camp inmates used as labour in nazi Germany was a lie?

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 29 2023 15:20 utc | 261

There is also the possibility that Israel is deliberately modelling its genocide on what it sees and interprets of Russia’s SMO in Ukraine.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 28 2023 20:51 utc | 117
Baloney!
I a window of 20 month Russia has “absorbed” vast numbers of Ukraines military
and killed about 20k civilians in the process ( cocounting those killed by UKR counter fire )
in a window of 2 month Israel managed to kill 20+k civilians. Numbers for “absorbed” Hamas fighters seem to be negligible while Habitats for 2 Million people have been devastated.
If Israel imitates anyone they take their cue from the US.

Posted by: MAKK | Dec 29 2023 15:21 utc | 262

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 29 2023 15:20 utc | 277
i don’t think a forced labor camp is an active economy in any ordinary sense.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 29 2023 15:32 utc | 263

Why cant the Muslim world tolerate a tiny Jewish State on the Jewish ancestral homeland ? If the Muslim world would accept that there would be no Israel war. I have come to believe along lines the slogan “If the Arabs lay down their arms there is peace in the region. If the Jews lay down their arm in Israel there is a Holocaust of the Jews.”
Posted by: genocidal | Dec 28 2023 23:00 utc | 143
##################
It’s Zionists (racial supremacists) that are the issue. Also, God has not promised a Jewish state. That is a manufactured mythology dreamed up by Zionists. Many Orthodox Jews do not support having an Israeli state.
Jews don’t have to lay down their arms. God has already decreed that they will be the wards of the Muslims, who will protect them and create space for them to practice their religion in peace. And I suspect, to rein in the worst impulses of the Jewish culture.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 29 2023 15:52 utc | 264

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 29 2023 15:52 utc | 280
What you say is very fine, Love Donbass. Very fine indeed.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 29 2023 15:57 utc | 265

To clarify, historically the Jews have always wandered from God. Moses goes to receive the 10 Commandments, and when he returns, they have created and started worshipping idols, despite Aaron begging them not to do so, they threaten Aaron’s life and he is forced to remain silent until Moses returns.
Jesus AS had to flip the tables in the temple when Jews were changing money in God’s house of worship.
Jews repeatedly betrayed treaties and agreements formed with the Prophet PBUH during the Hijrah (migration to Medina in the earliest days).
I’m not saying that every Jew is a bad person. I am saying that Jewish culture generally hasn’t walked the straight path, and hasn’t been notorious for its loyalty.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 29 2023 15:58 utc | 266

Thank you Tom a for the Patrick Lawrence link

Posted by: Migueljose | Dec 29 2023 16:02 utc | 267

So basicaly Russia, Putin and Lavrov are saying they are fighting nazi’s…
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 29 2023 15:19 utc | 276
They mean the other kind of nazi’s. You know, selective by design. With full understanding. It is a kind of a ‘forked tongue syndrome’. Also known as hypocrisy.

Posted by: steve 2 | Dec 29 2023 16:03 utc | 268

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 29 2023 15:09 utc | 274
I join Migueljose in thanking you, Tom, for an excellent link.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 29 2023 16:08 utc | 269

God has already decreed that they will be the wards of the Muslims, who will protect them and create space for them to practice their religion in peace.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 29 2023 15:52 utc | 280
A little known fact. When Omar ra, the second Khalifa arrived to receive the keys of Jerusalem after the conquest by Khalid bin Waleed ra, the condition for the surrender set by the Patriarch was ‘ban the Jews from the city’. Omar ra petitioned that they should be allowed to visit their places of worship to which the Patriarch agreed but maintained that a ban remain on them taking up residence.
A very telling incidence and begs the question why did the Patriarch want the ban. Today, the descendants of the same people who petitioned for them are being slaughtered.

Posted by: sal | Dec 29 2023 16:19 utc | 270

@ Ahenobarus 146
“Perhaps, seeing their last hope crushed by Dem lawfare, all those vets will start a real insurgency, with guns this time, even. That might shake things up. Force our Zionazis to do a domestic genocide.”
I guess you don’t live in the US and have poor understanding of American reality. Most vets are a form of welfare rats, happy to support the forces that send them paychecks. Yes, there are notable exceptions, but most vets are ignorant because they don’t give a sh*t. It would take unusual circumstances to make them suddenly care, and I think all they would really care about under any circumstances is their own sweet ass. The rules have no real need to fantasize about “domestic genocide”, which is the one of the few circumstances that could cause real upheaval. Ain’t gonna happen, if only because the “blue on blue” violence would be for fools, of which there aren’t so many. America is full of ignorant people, but “blue on blue” is even worse. So, no.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Dec 29 2023 16:20 utc | 271

My last on this thread – thank you very much, Jane | Dec 29 2023 14:18 utc | 269!
A very revealing post.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 29 2023 16:26 utc | 272

Trubind1 251
There are no adults in Judaism , Christianity or Islam, just overmassaged egos using religion for politics and intellectual posturing. But we cannot let their self- adulation vapourise the
tools we have inherited from WW1 and WW2.
75 years of smug dick-waving in the audience of public broadcasting cannot cancel the legal framework for dealing with conflicts. We cannot declare that because of the existence of carefully manufactured porn, real sex is no longer important. Real sex makes babies.
International Law contradicts the lies of priests and politicians.
Humans need guidelines, not drivel.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 29 2023 16:38 utc | 273

Posted by: sal | Dec 29 2023 16:19 utc | 279
###############
Thanks for that comment. Most of the people following Palestine in the internet media these days are secular, and have no background on the history of the region or people involved.
Take the Nakba. Palestinians receive Jews as refugees and within 20 years those same guests are throwing their hosts out of their houses.
This didn’t start on Oct 7th. This goes back centuries, and even more recently, several decades.
Arab leaders have generally exercised peace and tolerance with Jews. If Muslims wanted to erase Jews from the world, they could have done so many times during the last 1,500 years.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 29 2023 16:52 utc | 274

We cannot in any shape or form allow the genocide of a nation be committed in public by the over-excited voyeurs of treble penetration theological war porn.
If the United Nation has no balls , or female metaphorical equivalent, then it urgentlybneeds to grow some. Fast . Before the three religious lunatics fully take over the asylum. Russia and China must grab the steering wheel from the kamikaze drivers and assert control over the whole eschatological orgasm.
Russia and China have been doing this successfully for 40 years since the invasion of Yugoslavia by Islamic jihad.
They need to show the manipulators of escatological meowing the teeth of dogmatic Law.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 29 2023 16:59 utc | 275

“It [Israel] plans to open a new front in Lebanon against Hezbollah. But a repeat of the 2006 war, which Israel lost, can not be risked. To fight Hezbollah on the ground Israel needs active U.S. backing, not only by U.S. delivery of weapons, but by U.S. forces on the ground.”
You just answered your own question.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 29 2023 17:50 utc | 276

Even without Israel’s debacle Biden has zero chances to be re elected. I still wonder how his team can even think he can if he solves Israel conflict.
The question is not if Biden will be beaten, the question is by whom?

Posted by: Virgile | Dec 29 2023 18:04 utc | 277

Martina | Dec 28 2023 17:32 utc | 41
They don’t want the [Amalekites] to go anywhere. They want them to die.
Yes, and the one edit clarifies Zionists’ determined, stated intent in Palestine. Otherwise, the grotesque horrors on the ground in Gaza, and growing in the West Bank, are inconceivable and incomprehensible. Calling Israel’s determined all-out slaughter in Gaza “defensive” is itself disgustingly offensive.
Netanyahu’s dog-whistle reference to “Amalek” means that Zionists’ don’t just “want them to die.” They want to annihilate them, IMO, wipe them off the face of the earth. Netanyahu claims a divine mandate from Mammon (aka Yahweh) to:

“…strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey [and beloved family pets].’ ” (1 Samuel 15:3)

For its genocide, the greater promise to this singularly chosen ‘race’ is then global supremacy:

Yahweh “will raise you higher than every other nation he has made”; “You will make many nations your subjects, yet you will be subject to none” (Deuteronomy 26:17-19 and 28:12)

It should be clear by now that Israel has already subjugated the US Empire. It owns, defacto, the US president, US Knesset, DOJ, MSM, big tech, Hollywood, banking, and even the Criminal Reserve. Should their Shabat Goy falter and should their messianic, dominionist Talmudic prophecies somehow fail —— and they will —— then the shadow of the apocalypse looms, the Samson Option. Escalation management has never been more critical.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Dec 29 2023 18:24 utc | 278

One more:
Posted by: mt | Dec 29 2023 7:38 utc | 235
Thank you, mt.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 29 2023 18:30 utc | 279

Even without Israel’s debacle Biden has zero chances to be re elected. I still wonder how his team can even think he can if he solves Israel conflict.
The question is not if Biden will be beaten, the question is by whom?
Posted by: Virgile | Dec 29 2023 18:04 utc | 286
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His team doesn’t care because the key members of his actual team (people who move the machinery of DC) will persist into future administrations, regardless of party. Bureaucracy is a kind of cancer.
It doesn’t matter who replaces Biden. It could be anyone. They will cater to the MIC, they will bow down before AIPAC, and they will demonize China, Iran, and Russia.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 29 2023 18:54 utc | 280

Posted by: dan of steele | Dec 29 2023 13:03 utc | 258
Good one, dan of steele!

Posted by: juliania | Dec 29 2023 18:56 utc | 281

South Africa v Israel submitted to ICJ
enc: ICJ statement, SA application for provisional measures

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 29 2023 19:55 utc | 282

sln2002 | Dec 29 2023 19:55 utc | 291
Thank you. That is significant coming from S. Africa, so familiar with Apartheid. Genocide by Israel is a horrific leap beyond — into the abyss. Is this a first?

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Dec 29 2023 20:38 utc | 283

Posted by: genocidal | Dec 28 2023 19:44 utc | 99
Israel should never have allowed the building of an unprecedented terror tunnel network in Gaza.

Unprecedented? The israelis and other fake jews build their torture tunnels everywhere.

Israel must learn it will be condemned by the “world” no matter how humanely they defend themselves.

Israel… humanely. Now that’s some really sick word salad.

“World” opinion will not lift a finger to prevent another Jewish Holocaust.

Jewish holocaust exactly. Has there ever even been a genocide of millions on the planet without khazars instigating and manufacturing it?

Israel is in a situation of kill or be killed.

Israel is always in a situation of kill, torture, enslave. No matter what anyone else does.

Israel must rain hell fire on it’s enemies.

Fitting. Agreed, they must. You can see it in their faces. And afterwards a soak for eternity in the fire lake.

Posted by: Michael A | Dec 29 2023 22:45 utc | 284

Just to note, the name of the movement/government in Yemen is Ansar Allah, not Ansar Islam.

Posted by: Jeff Melton | Dec 30 2023 3:41 utc | 285

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 29 2023 16:59 utc | 284
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Make du’a for the martyrs. I don’t understand why you would have expectations of kafir institutions to provide justice.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 30 2023 4:33 utc | 286

Exile | Dec 29 2023 15:07 utc | 273
*** FYI – concentration camps usually don’t have active economies***
So all the stuff about camp inmates used as labour in nazi Germany was a lie?
Posted by: Cynic | Dec 29 2023 15:20 utc | 270
Step back and rethink your moronic comment.

Posted by: RB | Dec 30 2023 9:04 utc | 287

Posted by: genocidal | Dec 28 2023 23:00 utc | 143
Palestine is the ancestral land only for Mizrahi Jews who lived there and other Arab countries peacefully for thousands of years. Israeli Ashkenazi on the other hand are white Europeans without any genetic connection to the ME, thus they are colonialists, on top of being racists.

Posted by: RB | Dec 30 2023 9:12 utc | 288

Palestine is the ancestral land only for Mizrahi Jews who lived there and other Arab countries peacefully for thousands of years.
Posted by: RB | Dec 30 2023 9:12 utc | 297
“The Promised Land” was not empty land.
IMU the process of taking possession was rife with aggression and forceful displacement.
definitely not the synergistic migratory diffusion history saw in Greece.

Posted by: MAKK | Dec 30 2023 15:07 utc | 289

RB | Dec 30 2023 9:04 utc | 296
For there to be “economic activity” there has first to be an economy.
The present UK regime regards unemployment as “economic inactivity”.
(an assertion which is hugely wrong, but they make it anyway)
Therefore, by political establishment / orthodox economist criteria, if there is no “work” being done, there is no economy.
So if there was no economy in concentration or prison camps, therefore there could not have been work done there by the inmates.
Go argue with your own political establishment and its logic.
Which isn’t mine — it is your own!

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 30 2023 18:39 utc | 290