Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
December 28, 2023
Biden Needs To Come To Israel’s – And His Own – Rescue

For now Israel seems to lose its war against the Palestinian resistance.

The October 7 attempt to gain hostages by Hamas and Islamic Jihad was successful. Israeli outrage about it should have been directed against the Israeli government and its army for their chaotic response. They likely killed more Israelis than Hamas did.

But outrage was instead instigated against the external enemy. In this case all Palestinians.

A united Israel urged its government to wage revenge. The government's announced aim is to remove Hamas. That however is impossible to do to a social movement with deep roots in its society. The real aim is to remove all Palestinians from Gaza, to either kill them or to dump them in some foreign land. This would be followed by an attempt to remove all Palestinians from the West Bank before capturing and annexing the south of Lebanon.

However no foreign country is likely to support such a genocide and to take up the burden of millions of unruly refugees.

The Israeli government still wants to satisfy its people but has no way to achieve that.

Meanwhile the resistance against Israel, which has been built by Iran over several decades, is increasing its response. It aims to press Israel into conceding defeat and to liberate the Palestinians from their Zionist occupiers.

Changing a society's mind requires a slow and long response. In the north Hezbullah is slowly escalating its tit-for tat war with the Israeli army. Some 100,000 Israeli civilians have fled from the border zone. The Ansar Islam movement in Yemen has blocked maritime traffic to Israel's Eilat port. The U.S. attempt to counter that has failed:

Despite the US calling the Red Sea tensions "an international challenge" requiring a united response, the initial coalition support was limited, with only 10 nations, including Bahrain as the sole Arab state. The Pentagon later announced that 20 countries had joined the coalition, with Greece and Australia among the new members.

In a setback to the US, France, Spain, and Italy have declined their participation in the alliance.

Local resistances in Iraq and Syria are attacking U.S. troops deployed in those countries. As long as its troops are there the U.S. can to nothing to prevent that.

There are also threats to Israel's Mediterranean coast line. Hezbollah has the ability to close down Haifa and and other Israeli ports. Missiles, cruise missiles and drones from Gaza, from Lebanon, Yemen and from resistance fighters in Iraq and Syria continue to target Israel day by day.

With more than 350,000 Israeli troops mobilized and Palestinian workers from the West Bank banned, Israel's economy is, for lack of workers, in deep trouble.

Its military forays into Palestinian cities in Gaza have so far achieved little results but incurred significant losses. All the army can do is to destroy those cities block by block. But Hamas continues to fight back, even in rubble.

The current plan is to make Palestinian life in Gaza so miserable that leaving it will be for them the only alternative to certain death. But leaving whereto when no one wants to take them?

That is a question Israel and its U.S. backers fail to answer.

With the war going into a prolonged, unsustainable phase the Israeli government needs to do something else, or fail.

It plans to open a new front in Lebanon against Hezbollah. But a repeat of the 2006 war, which Israel lost, can not be risked. To fight Hezbollah on the ground Israel needs active U.S. backing, not only by U.S. delivery of weapons, but by U.S. forces on the ground.

A new U.S. war in the Middle East  against a well prepared enemy is the last thing President Biden needs for his re-election campaign.

Pictures of Israeli settlers and their army raiding Ramallah to steal money from Palestinian money exchanges also lead to more negative voter responses.

Hamas says it can fight the war for several months.

Biden needs to shut the war down.

Either he does that now or his chances of a reelection will decrease even further.

Comments

Israel and Judaism still exist and will continue when your descendants are sex slaves to muslims and africans.
Heheheh
Posted by: Hebrew Warrior | Dec 28 2023 18:56 utc | 73
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Why, thanks for explaining that so clearly!
I especially appreciate the “your descendants” bit, which hints at a deconstruction of the Hebrews’ obsession with shiksas.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 28 2023 20:15 utc | 101

We have to remember that nuclear weapons have not been used since 1945 …
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Dec 28 2023 20:10 utc | 107
And you know that for sure? As it was not admitted nor on MSM.

Posted by: Joey | Dec 28 2023 20:16 utc | 102

And for comic relief, we have the “esteemed” sentor Lindsey Graham, once again calling on the US to bomb Iran…
https://www.rt.com/news/589834-lindsey-graham-bomb-iran/ Thank god no one listens to him…. What an embarrassment, even if he/she is doing it for theatrics/show

Posted by: ctiger | Dec 28 2023 20:21 utc | 103

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 28 2023 19:51 utc | 103
Hamas was founded in 1987.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Dec 28 2023 20:21 utc | 104

Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 28 2023 19:21 utc | 89–
Thanks for your reply. IMO, there’s no “perhaps” about it as the clincher is Lavrov’s Izvestia article that was referenced in the question, it’s title: “On Staging as a Method of Western Policy.” The interviews are now translated, “Lavrov’s Two Interviews–TASS & Channel 24/Ria Novosti”, while the Izvestia article is linked within but is in Russian, although I intend to translate and publish it later today since it’s front-and-center again. Combined, the two make for a long read and the topics are global in scope, not just Palestine and Ukraine.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 28 2023 20:37 utc | 105

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 28 2023 19:40 utc | 101
But that’s the point. Unless we can blame the US, and I certainly consider the leaders of the US to be the most evil bastards on the planet, then no one cares about genocide. And you know as well as I do the UN certainly doesn’t care about genocide anywhere.

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Dec 28 2023 20:45 utc | 106

B links to an article in the Electronic Intifada. However, the New York Times recently published two articles on the conquest of the Be’eri kibbutz and general Hiram’s role there too.
The first article gave what it claims to be a detailed account of what happened on that day:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/12/22/world/europe/beeri-massacre.html
The second article – published five days later – discusses a public discussion in Israel as a consequence of the first article. And that discussion focuses on the role of Hiram:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/world/middleeast/israel-beeri-hiram-hamas.html

Posted by: Wim | Dec 28 2023 20:46 utc | 107

Trubindi1 @ 63:
You need to read RT very carefully. Its “journalists” either come from the same colleges and universities that prepare “journalists” for Western mainstream news media or the culture at RT is immersed in the same or similar values as their Western counterparts. Or RT’s people are coming from universities in Russia employing academics who are sympathetic to the West and its agendas. The article you linked to reads very much as though parts of Lavrov’s speech were selected deliberately to put him and Moscow in a spot so as to appear hypocritical. The aim may be to hobble the Russians from supporting Syria and Hezbollah if Israel brings its war to Lebanon generally.
RT could have chosen a better analogy between Israel’s war on Palestine and the post-Maidan Kiev regime’s war on the people of Donbass in eastern Ukraine. That analogy was surely staring RT in the face. Why didn’t RT pick that instead?
There is also the possibility that Israel is deliberately modelling its genocide on what it sees and interprets of Russia’s SMO in Ukraine.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 28 2023 20:51 utc | 108

“The true character of the fake Zionist Regime was revealed as hundreds of thousands of fake “Israelis” broke every speed limit heading for Ben Gurion airport on 7 October to flee back to where they belonged.”
Posted by: anon | Dec 28 2023 15:50 utc | 13
This has been happening for some time now, where upon graduation debt -free Israelis would claim their parents’ citizenship and emigrate. Estimates are at least 1-1.5 million Israelis live in the US. Numbers are hard to find since the destination countries don’t consider them immigrants and Israel has a powerful incentive not to disclose any tracking results they may have.
I expect to see these numbers expand rapidly in the coming weeks. Military service was not a problem when it involved harassing unarmed Palestinians, protecting settlers and “mowing the lawn” from 30,000 ft against an enemy without an air force. Now it is rapidly looking like a ground war against an experienced and armed enemy, both in Gaza and in Lebanon, and the economy will be hit by the drafting of its most productive citizens, as well as disruptions in shipping, investment and relations with neighboring countries.
Look for a sharp increase in emigration from the Israel war zone, with a commensurate loss of its most productive citizens, both in terms of military and economic value. Look for the proportion of the fanatical religious zealots who lack marketable skills and desire to bear arms, who bloodthirstiness won’t match their military skills, just when Israel is at its weakest politically.
Israel is in deep trouble.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Dec 28 2023 20:54 utc | 109

genocidal | Dec 28 2023 20:45 utc | 115
*** I insist that it Israel that is facing extinction. Israel is the victim, Israel is the underdog.***
Maybe its potential downfall will have something to do with the perpetually whining zionazi cult’s insistence that everyone else on the planet is subhuman and must — with no questioning or dissent permitted, then or now — become their slaves?

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 28 2023 21:00 utc | 110

RE: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 28 2023 20:51 utc | 117
Agree about RT. Getting worse every year. But, I’ve read similar Russian responses by various Russian agents that want to convolute Ukraine with Israel or various “middle ground” geopolitical stances, which is all fine. Sovereign nations should have their own interests and views. It’s not Israel that’s “modeling” SMO, they happily publicly tell everyone their ethnic cleansing genocide aims, Russia is making the comparisons, for their own domestic balance.
Russia stated today, after picking up their “refugees & citizens”… that now they’ll take 1500 Gazans “that want to leave”…. Assisting in displacement & relocation of Palestinians.
So, it wasn’t a singled out idiotic word salad slop of a poorly context edited article of Lavrov’s famous interview that he skirting issues as he does, it’s the official position of the Kremlin. And IMO, hypocrisy.
There are some areas that cross all Sovereigns…
1)Genocide of people anywhere… particularly civilians.
2)War crimes.
3)Ethnic cleansing & forced displacements.
Rationalizing, politicizing, sugar coating, excusing or comparing, has no place in international affairs & action during these actions.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 28 2023 21:09 utc | 111

Genocidal @ 115:
Israel does not lack resources when the US and other Western nations send billions of funding, weapons and military equipment to Tel Aviv / Jerusalem every year.
At the same time, Israel’s neighbours are either kept poor and/or politically and economically crippled through military invasions (Iraq, Syria), coups or being compelled or forced to trade with the West on terms favourable to the West. All of these restrictions on Israel’s Arab and other neighbours benefit Israel directly or indirectly and reinforce that nation’s delusion of being the most advanced or progressive country in its part of the world. In that sense, Israel is no victim or underdog.
If Israel does face extinction, that is the fault of its leaders, especially of Netanyahu who over the past several years has undermined Israeli politics in his obsession to escape jail time for him and his wife Sara for numerous acts corruption and the misuse of public money. He is not the only rat in Israeli politics – for him and his wife to have dominated the country for so long, the system already had to have been dysfunctional – but his presence and the network of people who support him (including outsiders like the late Sheldon Adelson) are the biggest taint on the country.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 28 2023 21:10 utc | 112

That said, would you agree that perhaps Lavrov was mainly hinting at hypocrisy and inconsistency in Israel’s words and actions
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 28 2023 19:21 utc | 89
Not tough to make a straight call. Cuba did it. I guess they’re just not as “sophisticated” as Lavrov.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 28 2023 19:53 utc | 104
I agree with both of you.
Lavrov’s word salad basically says: “If Israel can do what it wants in Gaza, nobody should criticize our SMO.” However, in doing so he likens Palestinians to Ukronazis. Which is ridiculous, nasty and supremely ironic. Lavrov is too smart to do something like that by mistake. Judge for yourself. I think Russia sees its connection to Israel as its reentry to the “Garden” even if it is hedging its bets with the Jungle in BRICS, SCO.
https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1923676/
Question: Our time is drawing to a close, but we still have an important topic – Gaza Strip. Israel has already announced that the war will go on for months. Allegedly, Hamas is destroying.
Although the Americans have been flirting with him for a long time. You even wrote a year ago article in « Izvestia » about all kinds of dramatization. What was the result? Was it also some kind of staging of Hamas’s attack on Israel? How to perceive all this? Some even think that the destruction of the Gaza Strip – is a special operation to dig a parallel Suez Canal from the Gulf of Eilat through the Negev desert. There are three hundred kilometers. With modern technology and money – it’s easy. What was that? What is the essence of this geopolitical process?
Sergey Lavrov: Now there are many conspiracy theories.
Just the other day, our television and social networks once again transmitted a message from one of the Western media, Western journalists, researchers (in my opinion, S. Hersh also published this), that the entire Israeli leadership a year before October 7 this year was warned by intelligence of an impending large-scale terrorist attack.
I can not allow (if true) that no preventive measures have been taken. Moreover, I know how much the Israeli army and its security forces are able and always ready to deliver preventive strikes.
It reminded me of another conspiracy theory when, on September 11, 2001, twin towers were attacked by terrorists, after which the war in Afghanistan began and the project « the Great Middle East » was announced.
There were other less bloody conspiracy theories – landing on the moon. Until now, no one can finally calm down. Although, it would seem, in all three cases such a number of people should have known what was happening. This still remains unclear. Strange.
I don’t even want to admit that normal people can sacrifice hundreds of their fellow citizens in order to have some kind of excuse, or trample on a terrorist organization that they hate and want to completely destroy it, or get some economic, logistic benefits.
You said that Israeli Prime Minister B. Netanyahu announced that Hamas should be completely destroyed as a military force. It looks like demilitarization. He also said that extremism must be destroyed in Gaza. It looks like denacification. Moreover, it’s not very clear to me why the previous Israeli government, when Y. Lapid was the prime minister (before that he was the Minister of Foreign Affairs, then became the prime minister), so reacted to the beginning of our special military operation. His reaction was amazing to me. Like, as Russia dared to use force against the civilian population, annexed Ukrainian territories.
It was not fair. We talked about this with him. I don’t know how he is analyzing and describing the events now, but Israeli Prime Minister B. Netanyahu, despite numerous criticisms from around the world and the fact that he was in a serious situation, he did not allow and does not allow himself any statements regarding Russia. Telephone conversations with Russian President Vladimir Putin took place twice (eleven, 2). The Israelis, like the Egyptians, helped us evacuate our citizens who were held hostage or simply wanted to leave the Gaza Strip.
We need to be very careful about our common history with Israel. And above all, to the history of the fight against Nazism. This is the main thing that unites us historically. This is the foundation of our genetic code if you want.
The Holocaust and the extermination of the multinational Soviet people – are things of the same order, except for numbers. 6 million people. – Holocaust and more than 20 million people. – peoples of the Soviet Union.
A year ago, the Israeli ambassador to Kiev during a press conference on the day of remembrance of the victims of the Holocaust to the question of how he relates to the singing of S. Bandera, R. Schuhevich and other Nazis in Ukraine, use and honor this symbolism, said nothing. He was asked if this means that Israel has changed its attitude. He answered « no » and said that for the Israelis they are still Nazis, unacceptable, and that will be forever. But, they say, Ukraine has a difficult history. I understand why Ukrainians treat these figures and political structures like that. This is already scary.

Posted by: pq | Dec 28 2023 21:12 utc | 113

Biden could mutilate a baby on live TV and still get elected.
The ballots aren’t real. The Uniparty Deep State controls the entire game.
Biden may not be the candidate who becomes President, but the Uniparty will win regardless of who it is.
And the Uniparty supports Israel without question, lacking the spine to stand up to the Genocidal Zionist Apartheid government.
Does anyone believe that Trump is not a Zionist too? The dude could not fellate the Israelis hard enough while he was President.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 28 2023 21:20 utc | 114

For Palestinians living under Zionist Occupation, the reality of daily life is indistinguishable from Poland under Nazi Occupation.
But that may be unfair – to the Nazis.
The Nazi Occupation only lasted 5 years.
The Zionist Occupation is 15 x as bad.
It has lasted 75 years, 75 years too long.
Posted by: anon | Dec 28 2023 19:33 utc | 98
Your iignorance is profound. In the five years of Nazi occupation 6 million Poles died—in 1939 Polands population was over 30 million by 1945 there were only 24 million. In 1948 there were 750000 Palestinians living in the British Mandate. Today over 2 million live in Israel, another 2 million in the Wear Bank and 2.5 million in Gaza.
Compared to the Russian conquest of Grozny (1/8 of the civilian population killed in 5 weeks). the Israeli assault on Gaza is no worse than Assad’s war on Aleppo—such short sighted memories—just two years ago B was all over the evils of jihadist, now we have a love fest.

Posted by: Zargo | Dec 28 2023 21:24 utc | 115

Israel depends 100% on the US for its survival.
US hegemony is in terminal decline. The US will never again at any time in the future be more powerful or have any more influence than it does at this moment.
That has got to be a bad feeling for Israel.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 28 2023 21:28 utc | 116

I insist that it Israel that is facing extinction. Israel is the victim, Israel is the underdog. They are being attacked on multiple fronts. They are dwarfed by it’s enemies in size, resources and populations.
Posted by: genocidal | Dec 28 2023 20:45 utc | 115
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If Israel is facing extinction, it is because it has made choices all along the line—since the earliest Zionist era—that have led exactly to this place.
Even now, facing likely or at least very possible extinction, it continues to make the worst choices.
The only thing that is remotely tragic about it is the millions o lives that have been blighted and destroyed by Israel’s and Zionists’ atavistic ideologies and visions.
Even Yayweh must be rolling his eyes and groaning, “Oy vey. WTF, guys.”

Posted by: Jane | Dec 28 2023 21:30 utc | 117

Posted by: genocidal | Dec 28 2023 20:45 utc | 115
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Not that you would as you do not strike me as a serious thinker, read the Glorious Quran.
The future of the West Asia has already been foretold.
When the Jews broke their covenant with God, not to mention engaging in the sinful Zionist racial belief system, their best outcome was to be the wards of the Muslims, who still observe the original mandates from God (no pork, no interest finance, one God, a worship-centric existence centered around cleanliness, charity and morality), passed down through all of his Messengers from Adam to Mohammed, peace be upon them all.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 28 2023 21:46 utc | 118

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/from-vietnam-to-gaza-abu-obeida-issues-new-statement-text/
Random excerpts
“Every nation on earth that has been occupied has wrested its freedom through blood, body parts, and combat. We have the best evidence and proof in Vietnam, Afghanistan, South Africa, Iraq, Algeria, Lebanon, and others.”
“Since the beginning of the ground aggression, our fighters have targeted more than 825 military vehicles, including troop carriers, tanks, bulldozers, trucks, and other vehicles.
“Our priority is to stop the aggression against our people and end the criminal Nazi genocide that the enemy has been waging for 12 weeks against our innocent civilian people, following its failure on October 7th, and its further failure in the ground war.
“Stopping the aggression is the most important priority. We feel the extent of the pain, suffering, injustice, and savagery that our people face in front of the world, this official world divided between a criminal oppressor and a helpless spectator, watching a cowardly and aggressive force pour out its wrath and the accumulation of its failures on the innocent and the safe.
“Accordingly, there are no exchange deals or other proposals that we can accept before the aggression against our people is completely stopped.
“Gaza has exposed all the lying and shameful organizations and institutions that carry the sword of human rights against oppressed nations, only to protect and beautify the ugly image of forces of injustice, occupation, and aggression.

Posted by: Pq | Dec 28 2023 21:49 utc | 119

I’ve heard that the New Jerusalem was supposed to be a Holy Land, a City of God, where the three confessions that worshiped there could live in harmony together. A Talmudic Despotism whose last defining act is to commit genocide on the Palestinians (a Semitic People) can not be anything but a depraved and unholy project.

Posted by: Copeland | Dec 28 2023 22:10 utc | 120

Palestinian babies nurse antisemitism from their mother’s milk and thus must be killed. Women and children in Gaza are the same as Hamas fighters and thus must be killed. Palestinians are subhuman and thus must be killed. Jews own the land from the river to the sea and thus the Arabs on these lands must be killed or ethically cleansed.
Unbelievable to hear these words from the mouths of Jews who have lectured the world for the last 7 decades about how they are the greatest victims in human history because of the “holocaust” and their “genocide” as they simultaneously slaughter Arab women and children and declare it to be their right to do so. Because they are “Gods chosen people.”
How the mask has fallen from the faces of these demonic Ukrainian Eastern European Invaders. These self-proclaimed uber-victims who brand themselves as Semites whilst they commit genocide upon the actual Semites.
Given the Jewish apparent propensity to lie about absolutely everything that is currently happening, did the “holocaust” really occur? I am beginning to wonder.

Posted by: RLTW | Dec 28 2023 22:12 utc | 121

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 28 2023 21:20 utc | 124
Slight edit to your comment: Biden could murder a baby on TV and still get (S)elected if in fact the Deep State swamp and vast network of mega-donors to the DNC still need his services as an empty suit and front man for their agenda. If not, someone else will be (S)elected and those empty suit ciphers will replace Biden and Kamala. We will then be subject to another fraudulent “democratic election” process, bullshit horse race, farcical debates, election week/night media shenanigans, and all. Followed by more of the same, “nothing will fundamentally change.”

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 28 2023 22:25 utc | 122

“Regarding the Israel / Palistinian siuation, I think the best source for predicting the outcome is the Bible.” Paul Melonas@2
Tonight is the Feast of the Holy Innocents when Christians remember the day when King Herod, afraid that the new born child would turn out to be the redeemer of his people ordered the killing of all first born male children in Palestine.
The current Israeli cabinet has similar fears-that Palestinian boys will grow up to liberate their country- and seems to be following Herod’s policy of killing them all.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 28 2023 22:26 utc | 123

Posted by: pq | Dec 28 2023 21:12 utc | 123
I agree with you. Karlof posted the full text of Lavrov’s speech to his Substack and after reading it, the comparison of the Palestinians to Nazis/Ukronazis is unmistakable and pretty disgusting.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 28 2023 22:26 utc | 124

Israel anxious to expand war and bring US troops in. US wants Israel to “finish” its campaign this week. Austin getting …?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/austin-gallant-discuss-stabilization-phase-to-follow-current-stage-of-gaza-war-pentagon/ar-AA1maaWg
The read is some stabilization plan “that will follow major combat operations”? ( past? Now ? Future?). The picture shows a very at odds hostile one of Gallant & Austin.
Guessing Israel and many in US want a wider war, maybe bring in Iran even. Many in US already not liking the Syria/Yemen/Iraq pin pricks. Not sure who will win out.
I think US also concerned about Hasan (Hezbollah) speech in Jan 3rd… especially since assassination. Will he call for full on 3rd Infitada… is that why it’s on 3rd? Or just more encouragement of eventual freedom of Palestinians? Perhaps continue Hamas path as now?
FYI: “Second Uprising’; Hebrew: האינתיפאדה השנייה Ha-Intifada ha-Shniya), also known as the*** Al-Aqsa Intifada, was a major uprising by Palestinians against the Israeli occupation, characterized by a period of heightened violence in the Palestinian territories and Israel between 2000 and 2005.
I don’t know. Anything is possible. No new international moves worthy of reporting.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 28 2023 22:29 utc | 125

Trubindi @85, you are not talking about racism but the natural apprehension of strangers and their ways that gives rise, at worst to xenophobia.
Racism is a much more philosophical thing, a combination of various currents in class society which was developed into a pseudo science, of the sort we find practised here, often enough, in the various phobias including that called, in the tradition of racist pseudo sciences, anti-semitism.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 28 2023 22:30 utc | 126

I agree with you. Karlof posted the full text of Lavrov’s speech to his Substack and after reading it, the comparison of the Palestinians to Nazis/Ukronazis is unmistakable and pretty disgusting.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 28 2023 22:26 utc | 135
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Yeah, looks like a cop-out pilpul to me.
I was disgusted when Net appeared to be lofting this justification rationale, and I am just as disgusted when Lavrov does this. More so, because Net is a piece of scum, and Lavrov is not.
I feel that Russia has a lot of coming to terms with its own role in the Palestine disaster (history of Jews in Russia and other slavic lands). I don’t expect this to happen now, under the current pressures—-but I also don’t expect to hear Lavrov give Netanyahu a false-syllogism-based rationale for the Gaza genocide.
Russia has never, AFAIK, taken a racist view of Ukrainians when Putin spoke of deradicalization. In fact, Russia is the best friend the Ukes ever had. (I have said this before.)
To label “radical” those of a particular “race” (Palestinians) that one wants to eradicate because they are in your way as you proceed to steal all of their land is transparently lame.
How come Lavrov accepts such sloppy, evil BS?

Posted by: Jane | Dec 28 2023 22:46 utc | 127

RE: Posted by: bevin | Dec 28 2023 22:30 utc | 138
I was actually talking about both. Apprehension is a short step to hostility depending on many factors. But I do know what you are saying. As for US though, it’s race hating and race baiting to hate, go back far and wide as one of the many tools for division and control (not just in US… but many rulers use it) even to date. It’s “philosophy” for those that ponder and examine its origins. But for most people, it’s simply how you were told to think of others and believe in a negative irrational way. It’s meant to be a confusing dichotomy for the masses.
Because it’s all a lie.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 28 2023 22:49 utc | 128

The two books of Maccabees are not in the Hebrew Bible, only (in Greek) in the Christian Bible.

Posted by: Lysias | Dec 28 2023 22:49 utc | 129

Tom Q Collins @ 135:
I read the posting @ 123 to mean that Lavrov sees Israel’s actions as mimicking Russia’s SMO, as Israel interprets Russia’s campaign.
However as you will have noted, and other barflies have mentioned, the Russians take care not to harm civilians or damage civilian infrastructure (unless the Ukrainians are using civilian structures for military purposes), and their soldiers do not humiliate Ukrainian soldiers. The Russians would be well aware that their own soldiers, when captured by Ukrainians, are subjected to torture.
What Israel is doing looks like what Russia is doing – but in this case, what looks and quacks like a duck isn’t necessarily a duck.
The highlighted part can be interpreted differently. Lavrov acknowledges Russia and Israel have a common enemy and history in common – and perhaps one of those two parties needs reminding who and what its real enemy is and what its real history is. The other party is Russia.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 28 2023 22:52 utc | 130

“Why cant the Muslim world tolerate a tiny Jewish State on the Jewish ancestral homeland ?”
genocidal 143
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Because they are engaging in genocide of the original inhabitants of their “state” in order to achieve their “tiny” state. And also because their religious “manifest destiny” is not confined to a “tiny” state.
Genocidal has chosen her/his name well.
Thanks!

Posted by: Jane | Dec 28 2023 23:07 utc | 131

Apart from its imperial sponsors-acting under US orders- Israel enjoyed almost zero significant support in the rest of the world.
The one exception was India, where the government shares Israel’s ideological racism. According to MK Bhadrakumar that has changed. India’s automatic support for the Genocidal state has ended. The BJP may be bad but they aren’t as crass and evil as the scum running Israel.
“….Although India expressed “solidarity” with the Israeli people over the brutal violence on October 7, it cannot condone the vastly disproportionate Israeli retaliation since then, blithely calling it a matter of Israel’s ‘right to self-defence’. On December 13, India voted in favour of a resolution in the UN General Assembly that demanded an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas conflict.
“This was the first time India supported such a resolution since the war broke out more than two months ago. Such a stance puts India on the right side of history, as the 193-member UNGA overwhelmingly adopted the resolution at an emergency special session, with 153 nations voting in its favour…”
https://www.indianpunchline.com/indias-turnaround-on-palestine-has-more-than-meets-the-eye/

Posted by: bevin | Dec 28 2023 23:08 utc | 132

Like Bernie Sanders, DJT is just another tool. The DJT-phenomenon, OTOH, seems to be the genie that is out of the bottle. Perils of unleashing ot.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 28 2023 17:15 utc | 36
True, true. But, you never know. Perhaps, seeing their last hope crushed by Dem lawfare, all those vets will start a real insurgency, with guns this time, even. That might shake things up. Force our Zionazis to do a domestic genocide.
And to all the nasty Zionazi trolls on here today, I’m going with a delightful retort courtesy of AB: when you wake up screaming from nightmares of Hamas, I’ll be there smiling too!
I just can’t get over these Zionazi cowards. So cocky from killing scores of women and children. It’s like Mike Tyson beating a random eight year old to death in public then celebrating how tough he is. I suppose the trauma of getting your asses beaten repeatedly over history has made you all crazy or something. Just sad on all sides.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 28 2023 23:12 utc | 133

Posted by: Exile | Dec 28 2023 19:28 utc | 92
You’d know where we can learn more about these ?

Posted by: Stephane | Dec 28 2023 23:13 utc | 134

Lavrov has jumped the shark with this statement. There is no rowing back from this, irrespective of whether this is a bad translation. If there is nuance, it is not evident to the man in the street. Definitely a shot to the foot, just as the global south we’re getting behind them. Expect more uncertainty from the erstwhile partners in the new model.

Posted by: Phalanges | Dec 28 2023 23:21 utc | 135

There are some areas that cross all Sovereigns…
1)Genocide of people anywhere… particularly civilians.
2)War crimes.
3)Ethnic cleansing & forced displacements.
Rationalizing, politicizing, sugar coating, excusing or comparing, has no place in international affairs & action during these actions.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 28 2023 21:09 utc | 121
So, Israel having acquired its foothold through terrorism and murder, is now trying to complete the slow-burn eradication of the native population of Palestine, with the material support of the US- but Russia is responsible because they don’t wave their magic wand and make all the violence stop? Oh… I get it- you want virtue signaling! That always helps.

Posted by: Honzo | Dec 28 2023 23:26 utc | 136

Refinnejenna | Dec 28 2023 20:51 utc | 117–
Thanks for your additional effort to refute that abysmal RT item. RT simply should have provided the entire part of the interview, not something grabbed completely out of context, AND as I pointed out, there’s some extremely important context within the question known to both Lavrov and Kiselev but crucially not to the audience or RT’s readers–Lavrov’s Izvestia essay from July 2022. Now I’ve translated that essay and combined it with the chat Putin had today, “Putin Chats with Rostec CEO & Lavrov’s Izvestia Essay, “On Staging as a Method of Western Policy””. Now that you know Lavrov’s article was about the staging of provocations to bring about armed aggression or other political outcomes, what Lavrov’s reply becomes much clearer.
Too many people will be duped by the RT item and I’ve already experienced that sort of reaction at my substack by someone who hadn’t yet read all there is to read on that issue. There’s a reason many compare RT with British tabloids, and we’re discussing one of them.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 28 2023 23:29 utc | 137

FACT: No genocide is or has ever been committed by Israel. Learn some history.
Posted by: genocidal | Dec 28 2023 23:23 utc | 150
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Ya da ya da.
Get on the Internet—and watch it.
Oh, BTW, in addition to genocide, rampant Israeli sadism is on display.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231227-1000-children-have-undergone-amputations-without-anaesthesia-in-gaza
“1,000 children have undergone amputations without anaesthesia in Gaza” [[Check out the photo, if you have the stomach for it.]]
“Wounded Palestinian children, are taken to hospital after Israeli attacks on December 23, 2023 in Khan Yunis, Gaza. [Belal Khaled/Anadolu via Getty Images]
“Some 1,000 children have had limbs amputated without anaesthesia in the Gaza Strip since Israel began its brutal bombing campaign on 7 October, the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF) has said.
“It added that allowing the continued shelling of Gaza means greenlighting the killing of more children.
“The Ministry of Health in the Gaza Strip has previously stated that nearly 70 per cent of the casualties of the aggression were children and women.
“The Palestinian death toll from ongoing Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip has surged to 20,674, the Health Ministry in the territory said yesterday.
“Ministry spokesman Ashraf Al-Qudra also said that 54,536 people had been injured in the months-long offensive.
“The Israeli onslaught has left Gaza in ruins, with half of the coastal territory’s housing damaged or destroyed and nearly 2 million people displaced within the densely populated enclave amid acute shortages of food and clean water.”

Posted by: Jane | Dec 28 2023 23:35 utc | 138

So much for trying to provide total context versus people not interested in the whole story. But I should have expected that.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 28 2023 23:35 utc | 139

@ karlof1 | Dec 28 2023 23:35 utc | 154
keep on doing what you do and ignore the riffraff… people are either going to pay attention or they will listen to the crazies – some of which are frequenting moa as of late.. thanks…

Posted by: james | Dec 28 2023 23:38 utc | 140

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 28 2023 22:52 utc | 142
The fact that Russia’s surgical SMO has nothing in common with Israel’s genocide and all the torture, stealing, hospital destruction in the West Bank too is exactly the point.
Lavrov should/could have said that Net had flipped reality on its head.
What on earth is this common enemy business? Nazis are no more. (After WWII, many of the top brass joined NATO where they are attacking Russia and supporting Israel).
Zionists worked hand in glove with the Nazis to encourage emigration to Palestine.
What is a Nazi anyway? Most of Western Europe collaborated with the Nazis rather than fight them for many years.
I highly recommend Assad’s speech at 33 minutes on WWII. He talks of how the USA financed the Nazis, even after the war started and did not intervene in 1941 when asked to by Stalin. The plan was to let the Nazis and Communists weaken each other. Then when defeat seemed imminent, they joined the winning side, held a show trial, conducted Operation Paperclip and staffed NATO with Nazis.
https://www.youtube.com/live/NGmNUgyO22M?feature=shared
This guy also has a good talk with Ganser.

Posted by: Pq | Dec 28 2023 23:38 utc | 141

Garland Nixon has another excellent, pedagogic, rant on today which covers some of the issues raised here by some barflies about the mask having been ripped off the collective waste imperialist monster — the vampire revealing its true nature for ordinary folk to see, who are aghast.
(It is an hour-long talkalogue, conducive for people who do stuff which is physical but not mentally engaging, like cooking, weight lifting, wjatever.)
Garland’s point about the ruling class needing foreign mercenaries to put down an internal hue-and-cry-uprising-for-justice is sadly, probably, accurate.
“Israel — The Neocon Suicide Pill”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b925P7la5Z0

Posted by: suzan | Dec 28 2023 23:55 utc | 142

Correction to 157
Delete “sadly”
Wrong placement.

Posted by: suzan | Dec 28 2023 23:59 utc | 143

Correction to 157
Delete “sadly”
Wrong placement.

Posted by: suzan | Dec 28 2023 23:59 utc | 144

Female captives held by Hamas and subsequently released have reported that they were treated with great respect and courtesy by their guards.
They had a free run of the house in which they were held, and allowed to use bathrooms and lounges whenever they wished. The guards treated them “like queens”, and were not allowed to touch them, or if they did, held a towel between them and the female so there was no direct contact.
Compare this with the routine murder, torture, humiliation, beatings and concentration camp treatment experienced by Palestinians of all ages and both sexes seized as hostages by Zionist Regime forces.

Posted by: anon | Dec 29 2023 0:02 utc | 145

Arch a few weeks ago Israel released a similar video for the UK audience. But played upon a white woman waking up to masked intruders to be kidnapped and implied raped. Not sure what happened to that video. Doubt the UK government demanded it to be taken down.

Posted by: Hankster | Dec 29 2023 0:07 utc | 146

On Lavrov’s remarks:
There seems to be a translation problem, but not only. What was Lavrov actually intending to say? Doesn’t sound good.
What is clear is nothing new. Russia is pursuing its national interests, as it always stresses. In this pursuit it forsakes principles when it deems expedient.
The problem that occurred in relations with Iran just a few days ago, which Iran rightly sees as extremely serious, is now compounded by these Lavrov remarks.
Here’s a reaction in the Palestine Chronicle:
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/objectives-of-israels-and-russias-war-nearly-identical-did-lavrov-shift-position-on-gaza/
Let’s not forget that Russia considers the 7 October Hamas action a terrorist act, that Russian official media refer to Hamas as “radical” movement (meaning extremist), that Lavrov just recently explicitly stated that Russia will “never” accept any threat to Israel’s security and that Russia is pushing for a two state solution with a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders.
It is also glaring (and boring) that Russia is using every public opportunity/debate about the Palestinian issue to attack the US as the sole responsible for the decades-long Israel-Palestine problem, without presenting a concrete way forward, let alone a vision, except the worn-out two-state solution and 1967 borders, and recently an international conference. It has been very critical of Israel’s current actions in the UN, and that is to its credit.
Overall, Russia is not playing a constructive role, let alone a progressive one, that could be expected of it in these dramatic and historic events which are testing everyone.

Posted by: JB | Dec 29 2023 0:08 utc | 147

I think what Bidet does is irrelevant because the actual owners of Amerikastan have decided their next puppet in the White Louse will be Nikki Haley.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 29 2023 0:12 utc | 148

james (?)| Dec 28 2023 22:01 utc | 130
*** i agree..like it or not the jews are the chosen people..bible pretty much predicts hamas will be pushed into egypt..judea will be incorporated next but it will be a long while before samaria is***
“Chosen” by their own sleazy cult leaders….
You choose to cite “bible” as absolute justification for activities of theft, murder and extortion … plus of course genocides, about which your side has a somewhat unique and seriously kinky “religious” fetish.
Even atheists on the zionazi side spout such self-serving, cobbled-up “religious” crap.
Very selective biblical references — conveniently omitting to mention that the very same claimed deity had finally and unambiguously “un-chosen” the Jews.
Who are therefore, in both religious and secular terms, a bunch of chancers and delusionists not in fact “chosen” by anyone or anything but themselves.

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 29 2023 0:17 utc | 149

So much for trying to provide total context versus people not interested in the whole story. But I should have expected that.
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 28 2023 23:35 utc | 154
Dearest Karl
Every pearl!
Many, like me do not comment but read your comments blog/ substack religiously.
Karlof1…. The first commenter I look for every visit to MOA
so much gratitude over the years for all your excellent insights comments and translations.
Thank You

Posted by: ld | Dec 29 2023 0:20 utc | 150

RE: “So much for trying to provide total context versus people not interested in the whole story. But I should have expected that.”
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 28 2023 23:35 utc | 154
I think what you provided in your post and blog is solid and an excellent insight to the domestic and geopolitical wading all nations are having to navigate through because of their very divided citizens as well as taming flames, that Lavrov and others are trying to keep themselves available to insure cessation of hostilities. And other points of view that from their own perspective. Nevertheless, pointing out “context” always has value.
I would just like to see some shoes thrown at the next UNSC meeting when the US begins their bs message b4 their veto. Just some simple, down to earth, truthful shoe thrown to make it clear.
Citizens for the most part are done with the psycho babble, the history lessons, the political word salad speeches, the oil salesmen pie in the sky, the anger “showman” narcissistic speeches and the endless parade of lies and insincerities.
We read and listen to all of what the “global leaders” and their agents around say. Yet, no one hears us.
No one hears the citizens at all. No one.
None of them (global “leaders”) are worth repeating, or evaluating or analyzing. Only mocking for their insipid lies, greed annd insincerity.
They hear nothing but their own voices.
I simply decided it was time to do the same.
It wasn’t personal. Keep up your good work. It is valuable.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 29 2023 0:21 utc | 151

“Why cant the Muslim world tolerate a tiny Jewish State on the Jewish ancestral homeland ?”
genocidal 143
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Because they are engaging in genocide of the original inhabitants of their “state” in order to achieve their “tiny” state. And also because their religious “manifest destiny” is not confined to a “tiny” state.
Genocidal has chosen her/his name well.
Thanks!
Posted by: Jane | Dec 28 2023 23:07 utc | 144
Thanks for the reality check, Jane, you hit the nail squarely on the head.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 29 2023 0:24 utc | 152

Elmore Pumares ( Dec 28 2023 15:47 utc | 11 ):
That is an interesting thought.
Then (as you say): why?
Why did they choose this?
· · · ·
Exile ( Dec 28 2023 15:37 utc | 7 ) wrote:

“B,
Welcome back !
Please note the current round of hostilities began on 2.Oct with the attack on the Al-Asqa Mosque. The 2.Oct is the date to be used 😀”

100% agree on everything.
I do strongly disagree with B on the following:

“However no foreign country is likely to support such a genocide and to take up the burden of millions of unruly refugees.”

I keep pointing out the implicit and outrageous widespread global governmental support for genocide.
———————————————————
“We didn’t do it” is the new “I only obeyed orders”.
———————————————————
They (all these governments with all their power) have deliberately wasted nearly three months on claims of “talk” and without putting any real pressure on Israel neither diplomatically, economically, or military.
They could choose to change that and start doing such things right now but they don’t and won’t.
They all want the genocide to be over and done with already.
It is a very obvious truth.
If what I write is wrong then there would no longer be any genocide taking place.
· · · · · ·
On US “politics”:
Is there any reason not to assume they’ll simply kill both Biden and Trump before the election? Is there any reason at all they wouldn’t?
Likely Biden first then Trump after a small pause of a few weeks.
Harris becomes the new Ford and everything trundles along with people wailing about what a great guy Genocide Joe was and what flavor of shit they were eating when they heard the news.
· · · · · · · · · · ·
Lavrov:
Apologism isn’t pretty, not when done by Lavrov, not when done on account of Lavrov.
It should be very easy for anyone to say that what Israel does is very wrong. Instead we get strange statements and very wobbly equivalences.
I see no reason to defend or excuse powerful people who will not stand against clear and obvious genocide.
Why would anyone tarnish themselves on their behalf? Do they realize they make themselves complicit? There’s no “fairness” to hide behind on this topic, no “grey areas”: we’re talking about genocide.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 29 2023 0:25 utc | 153

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Dec 28 2023 20:45 utc | 114
I don’t disagree with your assessment of the US or UN (inasmuch as it’s just a neutered lapdog of the US where matters of importance to people like those who comment here are concerned).
I still disagree with your categorization of what’s going on in Niger as “genocide” much less state sanctioned and executed ethnic cleansing such as what Israel has always been doing, and especially now. People are not being killed primarily because they are Christian or Muslim in that case, but rather because of disagreements on the use of land and accusations of theft or the ruining of once good grazing land.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 29 2023 0:32 utc | 154

And by the way… a general point that should be made perfectly clear for all.
No one should believe that anyone who does not care enough about 2 million dying to genuinely try to stop it would somehow magically have ever actually cared about 6 million dead.
Or any of the other tens or hundreds of millions dead including all the tens of millions of dead Soviets.
Is that betrayal easy enough to understand? Does it get through?

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 29 2023 0:36 utc | 155

Israel is killing thousands and thousands of people, this talk about 150 dead soldiers is nothing but an attempt to hide the extermination of hundreds of thousands of peasants

Posted by: OohCanada | Dec 29 2023 0:38 utc | 156

The hasbara trolls seem to me incapable of rationality; they keep on bawling and sniveling that these comments threads are full of jew hatred from anti-semites. Which is a bizarre conclusion, a wildly untrue take on what goes on here.
I daresay i feel pretty sure that EYE am the ONLY poster here who actually hates not only almost all jews but judaism itself. Quite unlike the rest of posters, I don’t believe that judaism is even a religion in any true sense of the word. It is at best a club and at worst a cult. A club or cult no non-jew can join precisely because jews proudly proclaim they see non-jews as less than human. I do not find it reprehensible to despise people who follow writings that say a million of me are worth less than one of their fingernails. To the contrary i find it sane and wise and essential to declare them dangerous and to defend myself – and humanity – from them.
So, unlike everybody else in here, and unlike every Palestinian I ever met, it is EYE alone who wishes to see every last jew uprooted from Palestine and sent packing – to anyplace where the population is armed and able to defend themselves from the jews, who again, are dangerous to a humanity who must become properly alarmed by their beliefs and their intentions.
Unlike the rest of posters here, I see ‘egalitarian jew’ as an oxymoron. Since they believe they have no peers, they will stand forever in mankinds way as the rest of us try to forge the egalitarian future that is our only way forward if we wish to survive, let alone thrive and have peace and plenty. Much, MUCH more needs to be said about this crucial point, but I’ll leave it for now.
If there really are jews who really do see my (and everyone’s) life and rights as truly equal to their own, i have no problem with that rare jew. But unlike the vast majority of other posters in here, I just don’t believe many of them exist. Because lying is what jews do, because deceiving us goys is a commandment to the terrible talmud tribe, i will never be able to be sure any truthful jew is talking to me. that is sad, but it’s their rules, not mine, that are the determining factor in the matter.
I think i am also the only one here who repeatedly gags at all the ludicrous sympathizing and/or empathizing with israeli and other jews coming from many if not most who write here. All the nauseating defending of same, the calls that we need to ‘understand’ ‘these poor mislead israeli jews’ make me literally sick. And the hasbarats studiously ignore that it just never seems to end, it goes on here day and night in these comments threads while the Palestinian moms dads sisters brothers doctors nurses teachers reporters poets intellectuals – and babies – and more babies – get blown to bits, kidnapped, executed in cold blood, disappeared, bulldozed, denied medicine, denied anesthesia – and on and on – and while the Palestinian hospitals, ambulances, homes, shelters, schools, bakeries, buildings, roads, universities, libraries… the culture of a fine people is being erased; at least it will be if the jews are allowed to continue.
Seriously – raise your hand if this comment of mine is making you disapprove of me for my hatred of jews. Nah, you don’t even need to bother – i already know how very much i am disliked here for my anti-jew and anti-judaism attitude. It’s my POINT.
I think i am quite alone here in my conclusion that jews who don’t renounce judaism have forfeited rights to respect and freedom. Because they have demonstrated beyond doubt they are too dangerous to allow to roam free amongst the human tribe they see as their worthless inferiors. No different than any other murderer who picks random victims so is a danger to everyone, locked up they must be.
Seems to me the vast majority of posters here made it their serious business to learn the truth about the history of the zionist project since at least the late 1800’s, and of the illegitimate establishment of illegitimate “israel” – and still y’all insist we must make the ole judaism is not zionism distinction. I used to think that, too. Then I read more, learned more about jews and judaism.
Who invented zionism? Was it jews? Who invented “israel”? Was it jews? Somebody else besides jews – only helping jews? Who constructed the US jewish lobby with its ironclad grip on the entire US government? Was it jews? Who turned us foreign policy into war after wars against jew’s enemies? who brought us nakba1 and now nakba2? Is judaism, aka “the tribe,” the culprit? who has succeeded in pitting the dumbed-down Christians against the Muslim world?
Why is genocide joe willing to bankrupt the usa to fight for the jews? Why is donald trump meanwhile running ludicrous ads on teevee in amurdica absurdica saying he alone can protect us from Hamas terrorists coming over the border with mexico? Why are my fellow countrymen so unbelieveably mal-informed? Who owns the media here? jews!
To repeat it for the last time: I feel quite sure that I am the ONLY poster here who actually hates not only most jews but judaism itself. My sense of self-respect and sense of self-defense may be stronger than most people’s.
I wish Hamas, AnsarAllah, Hezbollah, Iran etc etc etc- were half as angry and mean as I am. They have a ways to go.
There’s really nothing above this line worth debating, and yes i expect to be kicked out of here, but before i go i am reposting a comment below that I hope will get some discussion this time around:
“I’ve seen several references … to “Normal Jews”. What is a Normal Jew? Do they go to synagogue? Do they follow the teachings of their rabbi? In which case they will have been indoctrinated with the teachings of the Talmud since birth and by default will be supremacists in outlook.
Or are secular Jews “Normal Jews”? If one is not following the teachings of the rabbis or attending synagogue, can one still be called a Jew? Jewishness is not a race, how then would one account for the Ethiopian Jews? Or the Ashkenazi? It is a supremacist religion, based on being the “chosen people” of their god. So if secular Jews reject the teachings of the rabbi, are they still jews?
Secular jews still enjoy the ability to network with the whole Jewish diaspora to gain advantage in life, specifically against the goy. So in this respect, they are still following rabbinic teachings (Talmud). So are secular jews just lazy jews who still get the benefit of their Jewish faith?
Again, what is a “normal Jew”? As I mentioned previously, jews have institutionalised the bearing of false witness. One only has to look at the quote from Blinken above to see that. All I know is that, as a minority exercising overwhelming influence in the world today, expecting “normal jews” to make any difference to the state of play is naive and self deceptive.”
Posted by: Phalanges | Dec 22 2023 9:42 utc | 191
My apologies to Phalanges for reposting their post in my hate-full one.
God bless Palestine

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Dec 29 2023 0:39 utc | 157

Can someone explain to me what Lavrov can possibly by this extremely bizarre statement ? WTF Lavrov ?
” Israel’s declared goals of its ongoing operation against Hamas militants in Gaza seem nearly identical to Moscow’s in its campaign against the Ukrainian government, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said in an interview with RIA Novosti on Thursday. ”
https://www.rt.com/russia/589831-lavrov-israeli-gaza-hypocrisy/

Posted by: Moonie | Dec 29 2023 0:41 utc | 158

Mohamad Bazzi
@BazziNYU
·
4h
There’s an Arabic proverb for this kind of hypocrisy: “He kills the victim, and marches in his funeral”
Secretary Antony Blinken
@SecBlinken
·
9h
This has been an extraordinarily dangerous year for press around the world. Many killed, many more wounded, hundreds detained, attacked, threatened, injured – simply for doing their jobs. I am profoundly grateful to the press for getting accurate, timely information to people.

Posted by: Menz | Dec 29 2023 0:44 utc | 159

Link to 175
https://twitter.com/BazziNYU

Posted by: menz | Dec 29 2023 0:45 utc | 160

genocidal | Dec 28 2023 23:00 utc | 143
*** Why cant the Muslim world tolerate a tiny Jewish State on the Jewish ancestral homeland?***
Perhaps because the land the zionists now occupy belongs to its real native inhabitants — many of whom would actually have been the “Hebrew” natives a couple of thousand years ago (and who subsequently changed their religion) unlike the ‘Khazar’ invaders who quite recently — and very violently — stole it and have been actively trying to eradicate them.
As for “toleration” … what, of a malignant cancer with religiously spouted intentions to expand and ultimately enslave everyone, everywhere?
The moslems and everyone else have been tolerating and appeasing zionist meglomania and trouble-making for far too long as it is. As a result, look what a mess the world is in.

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 29 2023 0:47 utc | 161

” Too many people will be duped by the RT item and I’ve already experienced that sort of reaction at my substack by someone who hadn’t yet read all there is to read on that issue. There’s a reason many compare RT with British tabloids, and we’re discussing one of them.
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 28 2023 23:29 utc | 152 ”
But why would RT engage in this kind of behavior when it is run by a friend of Putin’s ?
” RT (formerly Russia Today or Rossiya Segodnya; Russian: Россия Сегодня) is a Russian state-controlled international news television network funded by the Russian government. ”

Posted by: Moonie | Dec 29 2023 0:55 utc | 162

Why cant the Muslim world tolerate a tiny Jewish State on the Jewish ancestral homeland ? If the Muslim world would accept that there would be no Israel war. I have come to believe along lines the slogan “If the Arabs lay down their arms there is peace in the region.If the Jews lay down their arm in Israel there is a Holocaust of the Jews.” A
Posted by: genocidal | Dec 28 2023 23:00 utc | 143
1. Why can’t Israel stop taking Palestinian land and homes by force?
2. Why does Israel ratchet up their abuse and humiliation of Palestinians? Stripping men naked guarantees future consequences
3. Why did the Israeli Government/Army condone the invasion of the Al-Aqsa Mosque- and invasion certain to bring retaliation.
4. If your claim is based on the Bible, Old Testament, Torah/Talmud, then every other religion on the Planet has a claim founded in the words of the scribes who scratched the narratives.

Posted by: kupkee | Dec 29 2023 0:56 utc | 163

So much for trying to provide total context versus people not interested in the whole story. But I should have expected that.
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 28 2023 23:35 utc | 154
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Hmm, same response to an earlier case where you state that readers are too stoopid to reach their own conclusions on the basis of the texts provided, simply because they deviate from your interpretation.
Provision of complete texts is greatly appreciated.
To me there is still a major problem with what Lavrov stated.
I explained my view. Lavrov still appears to accept the equivalencies that Netanyahu uses to identify and justify his genocide operation with the SMO in Ukraine. Lavrov seems to accept an argument that equates Hamas with Ukrainian Nazis and sidesteps the issue of many Ukrainian Nazis being Jews. When he says that Russia and Israel are on the same page regarding Nazis. So, just use the language like a Procrustean bed.
As for “I should have expected that”—why?
Because someone disagreed with you before?
With all due respect, that is not an argument. Sounds like a sulk.
Furthermore, the political analysts at the Palestine Chronicle seem to agree with me, and not with you. Doesn’t make them right, but it does make your putdown of me and others wrong.
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/objectives-of-israels-and-russias-war-nearly-identical-did-lavrov-shift-position-on-gaza/

. . . ‘Denazification’?
But according to Lavrov, the Israeli and Russian goals are more or less the same, which include “demilitarization” and “denazification”.
It is unclear how Lavrov, who has historically defended the rights of Palestinians, and earlier in the day, spoke for the need for justice in Palestine, believes that Israel’s action in Gaza includes “denazification”.
Lavrov’s comments seem like a bizarre contradiction to statements made by top Russian politicians and officials.
These comments included a comparison made by Russian President Vladimir Putin on October 13 between the Israeli siege on Gaza and the Nazi siege on Leningrad during World War II.
Additionally, Russia’s own ambassador to the United Nations, Vassily Nebenzia, has made similar comparisons in strongly worded statements against the Israeli war.
Yet, according to RT, Lavrov believes that “the fight against Nazism is what historically unites Russia and the Middle Eastern country (Israel).”
His words exactly, according to RT, were: “Therefore, we need to be very careful about our common history with Israel and, above all, the history of the fight against Nazism. This is the main thing that unites us historically.”

Posted by: Jane | Dec 29 2023 1:04 utc | 164

Why would anyone tarnish themselves on their behalf? Do they realize they make themselves complicit? There’s no “fairness” to hide behind on this topic, no “grey areas”: we’re talking about genocide.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 29 2023 0:25 utc | 169
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Amen, enough with the genocide-excusing pilpul.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GENOCIDE.
Amputating children’s destroyed limbs with no anesthesia.
Starving and thirsting thousands.
In addition to, simply, bulldozing them into ad hoc graves.
The ground of Gaza is screaming.
Very disappointed in Lavrov.
They have a Jewish problem in Russia, that is clear. It looks to me like Lavrov doesn’t dare call out Jews in either the Ukraine or Israel.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 29 2023 1:12 utc | 165

” They have a Jewish problem in Russia, that is clear. It looks to me like Lavrov doesn’t dare call out Jews in either the Ukraine or Israel.
Posted by: Jane | Dec 29 2023 1:12 utc | 181 ”
To be fair most of the world is afraid of calling out the chosen. IMHO, no logical, rational reason has ever been put forth as to why. It boggles the mind how 8 billion are afraid of 15 million.

Posted by: Moonie | Dec 29 2023 1:23 utc | 166

I insist that it Israel that is facing extinction. Israel is the victim, Israel is the underdog. They are being attacked on multiple fronts. They are dwarfed by it’s enemies in size, resources and populations.
Posted by: genocidal | Dec 28 2023 20:45 utc | 115
Izzrael is a colonial settler occupation.
It’s extinction is just.
‘genocide’ of settler colonial occupiers is justified. Mercy shown to them is divine, not mandated.
The underdogs are in Gaza, many of them dead in their incubators before even knowing they were underdogs.
Your hasbara doesn’t work on forums like these, you may have more luck in the yahoo comments section.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 1:23 utc | 167

Genocidal == ziologicGPT bot poop

Posted by: Stonedar | Dec 29 2023 1:29 utc | 168

“If the Arabs lay down their arms there is peace in the region.If the Jews lay down their arm in Israel there is a Holocaust of the Jews.”
Posted by: genocidal | Dec 28 2023 23:00 utc | 143
When the Arabs lay down their arms and marched peacefully they were gunned down as sport.
We saw this in the Great March of Resistance where the IDF goons spared nobody: children, the disabled, the old, journalists, medics.
The Great March of Resistance was proof shown to the world, not that any more was needed, that non-violence was not the solution.
If the Zionist Jews all left the middle east they’d find land reserved for them in the old Jewish oblasts of Russia. No holocaust will happen.
The best thing one can do for a colonizer is “lay down your arms”, it makes the culling so much easier …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 1:37 utc | 169

Posted by: Stonedar | Dec 29 2023 1:29 utc | 184
There’s a reason chatGPT is a Jew-run project …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 1:38 utc | 170

Posted by: anon | Dec 29 2023 0:02 utc | 160
Female captives held by Hamas and subsequently released have reported that they were treated with great respect and courtesy by their guards.
Except when the Israeli propaganda machine uses female subjects like these:
Michael Tracey
@mtracey
This “NJ woman” moved to Israel, joined the military, worked in the IDF social media unit, and was living on a soldier commune. But to the casual headline reader, just an unsuspecting “NJ woman”
Hamas attack left lasting scars for NJ woman.
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1740466009839112427

Posted by: Menz | Dec 29 2023 1:43 utc | 171

kupkee@ 056
Occupied Palestine is NOT the homeland of most American and Canadian Jews, as they are primarily Khazarians who are as a people almost totally innocent of sporting any DNA from the ancient Hebrews. So why the whining?

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 29 2023 1:47 utc | 172

The differences between the Russian SMO and the IDF Gaza war are dramatic.
The Russian SMO is mostly a classic symmetric war effort along clearly defined front lines. Opposing forces tug and pull and modify the front lines. Currently Russia is doing major pulling and winning too.
By contrast the IDF Gaza war is clearly asymmetric in nearly every single way. From the “settlers” attack on the Al Asqua Mosque on Oct 2nd, to the Hamas and PIJ attacks on the IDF FOP’s and kibbutz’s, to the resistance to the IDF ground invasion, all classic asymmetrical actions, no fixed front lines.
The IDF is now fighting in an environment this generation of soldiers has no exposure to. The ruins of 90% of the housing and business stock due to IDF airstrikes has made for an ideal operating theater for irregular but highly trained insurgents using modern Russian and American made anti armor ATGM weapons. Using heavy MBT and IVF armor in a Stalingrad style urban battle scene shows how little respect the IDF had for Hamas and PIJ formations.
In this case respect comes at a very high price. Hundreds of MBT’s, IVF’s and APC’s have now been destroyed by the insurgents…..estimates now vary on IDF casualty figures but somewhere between 1K to 2K KIA’s and 5K to 6K WIA’s seems reasonable. Videos of Reserve IDF soldiers casually lounging about in the ruins and making themselves clear targets in a combat zone abound. Added to the fact that the IDF still has not secured Gaza City leads one to believe that the IDF hubris has vanished.
This a Falluja style battle that is a stalemate…….stay tuned the IDF is now at wits end as the War Cabinet becomes a recriminations society…..

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Dec 29 2023 1:48 utc | 173

check out journalist Alan MacLeod’s take on UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres’s use of the passive voice in one of his tweets, Dec 23, 2023.
here’s Guterres’s tweet text:
“136 of our colleagues have been killed (by whom? – Alan M. writes in) in 75 days – something we have never seen in UN history
Most of our staff have been forced from their homes. (by whom? – Alan M. writes in)
I pay tribute to them & the thousands of workers risking their lives (Who is putting them in danger? – Alan M. writes in) as they support civilians in Gaza.”
see here:
https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1740441233397522899
2023 has been an incredible year for the use of the passive voice.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 29 2023 1:49 utc | 174

Posted by: Hebrew Warrior | Dec 28 2023 18:08 utc | 49
Iran-Arab-Muslim countries need the palistinians as the tip of a spear to destroy Israel. That is one key reason those countries will not absorb the palistinians. Plus palistinians have caused havoc in the Arab countries they went into. It may come down to Israel just taking off the gloves once and for all and giving a sample of what happens when Israel faces extinction.
Iran, Yemen, Syria, Iran are declaring unprovoked war in Israel. Israel has the right to a unleash hellish fire on them.
Posted by: genocidal | Dec 28 2023 18:23 utc | 59
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Do you freaks ever read history? Do you think the Palestinian struggle with the Israel Nazis started on 10/7?

Posted by: Ed | Dec 29 2023 1:50 utc | 175

Israeli settlers are some of the most evil people on the planet.
Many are American freeloaders who come to steal Palestinian’s homes and live a life financed by the Israeli govt and Jewish billionaires like Jared Kushner.
According to international law, each settler is a war criminal.
https://twitter.com/expatvibes/status/1739588971095552436

Posted by: Menz | Dec 29 2023 1:55 utc | 176

“If the Arabs lay down their arms there is peace in the region.If the Jews lay down their arm in Israel there is a Holocaust of the Jews.”
Posted by: genocidal | Dec 28 2023 23:00 utc | 143
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If Palestinians lay down their arms, Israel mows the lawn.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 29 2023 1:58 utc | 177

sure what happened to that video. Doubt the UK government demanded it to be taken down.
Posted by: Hankster | Dec 29 2023 0:07 utc | 162
Only in the West would such nonsense be tolerated.
Which is why I characterized the South Korean government’s response as uniquely Asian. It’s not generally possible to saddle Asians with the White Man’s guilt of past Jewish persecution – they really don’t care.
But they do care about order, stability and not infecting their populations with unproductive mind viruses like undue preferential concern for a tiny White Jewish minority.
Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism has had a role to play here in immunising Asian cultures against Jewish elitism.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 2:01 utc | 178

Do you freaks ever read history? Do you think the Palestinian struggle with the Israel Nazis started on 10/7?
Posted by: Ed | Dec 29 2023 1:50 utc | 191
Calm thyself.
You’re dealing with a mindless bot paid to paste standard hasbara talking points into a blog, probably assisted by an LLM of some sort – something that once was human, now subsumed by the machine.
There’s nothing but a faceless, soulless entity behind the keyboard.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 2:05 utc | 179

B, does Biden have any agency on this?
It’s not that he’s senile, it’s the way the president’s chair works. Does any US president have any real agency on such important issues?
Take Bush junior and Obama. Different parties, different ideals, different personalities, same foreign policy on key issues.
Those guys are the front, the sell-boys, not the ones taking the decisions.
Trump was an exception, being a wild card, one that still toed the line against China though and was even more obedient to Israel than usual.
I think the shots are called by a complicated, non-homogeneous network of entrenched bureaucracies, national security nomenklatura, Wall Street vultures and MIC, moguls, and mostly by inertia on all the above.
I think they’re hesitant to launch an open war in the ME not because they care about Biden’s reelection, but because their war games play out high chances of quagmire and disaster, loss of speed against China, of world trade, capital and global standing.
If they don’t get the US military more actively involved, they risk losing their foothold in the ME, and therefore an important piece on the chessboard with far-reaching consequences.
Either way, things don’t look good for the Empire. Israel’s genocidal madness is dragging it down.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Dec 29 2023 2:15 utc | 180

Very disappointed in Lavrov.
They have a Jewish problem in Russia, that is clear. It looks to me like Lavrov doesn’t dare call out Jews in either the Ukraine or Israel.
Posted by: Jane | Dec 29 2023 1:12 utc | 181
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Golly gee Jane why are you disappointed in Lavrov? The Zionist own the US government to the point that no one is allowed to speak Zionism, genocide, or the Israeli apartheid rule over Gaza and all Palestinian people in Palestine, by the MSM. Even the Universities in the US have made a mockery of academic freedom by forbidding any discussion on campus about Israel’s 75-year colonization by of Palestine: In the US the first amendment is now a dead letter.
But you are disappointed in Lavrov? What do you want Lavrov to do; drop a Nuke on Israel?

Posted by: Ed | Dec 29 2023 2:33 utc | 181

The Chabad Lubovitch Jewish fifth columnists are like a tapeworm threaded through the brain of Russian society.
Dormant and passive most of the time but becoming apparent in strange ticks and jerks of the host when the host attempts to execute certain movements and activities.
Thus, we see how lavrov made his initial comments about Hitler being Jewish (and lavrov would know since he has the entire Soviet intelligence archive at his disposal) but then we see how quickly this grand personage was smacked down into diplomatic compliance.
Thus we see how izzrael can bomb Syria with wild abandon, and even kill Russians at will, but the Russian’s passively accept it.
Thus we see how Putin can rail at the West, call them Nazis, call them agreement incapable, colonizers and imperialists yet gaze completely past the fact that the neocon cabal driving Western foreign police is almost exclusively a Jewish Zionist project inextricable from the interests of izzrael.
Unless Putin succeeds in very carefully and surgically removing this fifth column it’s role as a keystone in the multipolar order will likely be corrupted to the ends of that fifth column.
For sure, Putin is not fully under the heel of these fifth columnists, for if he were, Russia would have met the same fate as every other state run by Jewish interests:
– The USSR – down the toilet.
– Izzrael – a dumpster fire
– Ukraine – a dumpster fire
– America – a slow motion controlled demolition
– Argentina …?
See the pattern?
It could ultimately jeopardize the relationship Russia has built with China, for it won’t be long until the Chabad casts a greedy eye over to the far east and begins to covet the treasures of Russia’s slanty-eyed neighbours …
And what if the Jewish Zionist faction in the West should come to an accord with the Chabad Lubovitch faction in Russia? Will they execute a controlled demolition of the Russian federation as they did with the USSR and with Tsarist Russian Empire before that?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 2:35 utc | 182

Israeli settlers are some of the most evil people on the planet.
Many are American freeloaders who come to steal Palestinian’s homes and live a life financed by the Israeli govt and Jewish billionaires like Jared Kushner.
According to international law, each settler is a war criminal.
https://twitter.com/expatvibes/status/1739588971095552436
Posted by: Menz | Dec 29 2023 1:55 utc | 192
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Someone posted video on a prev. thread, I think from Dec. 26, with a young fellow who provided a lot of info on the foundations and Jewish billionaires who are funding the illegal settlements. Providing the $$$$ to build them. I just tried to find it and couldn’t spot it.
Perhaps someone can post that again and extract from it the names of these billionaires and the Jewish NGOs they support that actually pay for the illegal settlements’ construction.
If any of these are US nonprofits/NGOs it means they are avoiding paying taxes in the US and funding illegal settlements abroad. And opportunistic Jews from Brooklyn are being fleecing the US taxpayer in order to steal and shoot at Palestinians. And Israeli construction companies are also being financed by US NGOs and hence the US taxpayer.
Is any of this actionable, legally?

Posted by: Jane | Dec 29 2023 2:35 utc | 183

” And what if the Jewish Zionist faction in the West should come to an accord with the Chabad Lubovitch faction in Russia? Will they execute a controlled demolition of the Russian federation as they did with the USSR and with Tsarist Russian Empire before that?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 2:35 utc | 198 ”
Wow Arch, I dont think I ever heard you speak like that before. Is reality setting in ?

Posted by: Moonie | Dec 29 2023 2:42 utc | 184

RE: “It may come down to Israel just taking off the gloves once and for all and giving a sample of what happens when Israel faces extinction.”
Posted by: genocidal | Dec 28 2023 18:23 utc | 59
***yawn*** soon please!
…I’ve a good idea….
15 rounds Israel vs Lebanon
No US/UK/Egypt/Jordan/Syria/Iran/France/EU/China/Russia
Turkey/Pakistan/Saudi Arabia/Yemen assistance
***Just mono y mono—- IDF vs Hezbollah ****
No mercs or foreigners
Both contenders can get any internationally legal weapons from any source (No nukes -No Chems -No Bios)
No limits on infrastructure. All power, water, ports, bridges & oil rigs up for legitimate targets. All hospitals, clinics, universities, banks, housing, factories… legitimate targets.
Now I’m not so bored since I spiced up your “threat”….

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 29 2023 2:46 utc | 185

Wow Arch, I dont think I ever heard you speak like that before. Is reality setting in ?
Posted by: Moonie | Dec 29 2023 2:42 utc | 200
I usually get smacked down for being ‘anti-semetic’ …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 2:46 utc | 186

” CCTV visited the area several days ago and found locals witnessing the US base at Al-Tanf supporting jihadists. Will the jihadists stay loyal to the US?”
One answer to that question is to look at the South Asian community in Britain. It adores the stable , legalised structure of Britain, because it knows that the home-grown alternative is pure corruption, nepotism and serfdom.
Once inside the spaceship the jihadists are the strongest or maybe the only supporters of the West. Us locals hate our right wing rulers because we have tasted socialism, using the national resources to help the people. We brits have never tasted the feudalism of Asian and Arab country societies.
What does that mean for Palestine?
It means that the Jews hate their greatest admirers who only want to be given a place at the table of Western Civilisation. Hamas is fighting for political inclusion in Israel while Jewish exceptionalism is genociding them for just existing.
Muslims need to fight for their own, distinct vision of society, instead of trying to find shelter in their enemies society.
What Islam needs is a state of its own, maybe Syria. Let the Israelis do their stupid thing in Israel in exchange for a single country where real Muslims can practise real Islam, not the weird concoctions of Wahabbi Salafites or Sufi Woofies.
Otherwise we Muslims end up being photocopies of non-Islam. Will the West or the East ever let us do our own thing?
Like Afghanistan?. No, because the whole world would emigrate to that Muslim nation, leaving them without worker drones.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 29 2023 2:47 utc | 187

If the truth is antisemitic then we’re all guilty. Carry on with pride good sir.

Posted by: Moonie | Dec 29 2023 3:08 utc | 188

Any updates on the genocide of Christians in Nigeria or do we not care because they’re only blacks
Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Dec 28 2023 16:49 utc | 30
…I still disagree with your categorization of what’s going on in Niger as “genocide” much less state sanctioned and executed ethnic cleansing such as what Israel has always been doing, and especially now
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 29 2023 0:32 utc | 170
See the difference?
To get up to speed in Niger since Aug 1, browse lesahel.org; compare the “junta” to Le Monde, RFI, and France 24.
To ge up to speed in Nigeria since, say, 2010, browse for Boko Haram by feature story covering the Sahel G5, ECOWAS, Sahel Alliance, AFRICOM, Michelle Obama girls, Al-Qaeda-in-*, MONUSCO and jihad, MINUSMA and extremists, Abacha and Buhari.

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 29 2023 3:08 utc | 189

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 29 2023 2:47 utc | 203
>One answer to that question is to look at the South Asian community in Britain. It adores the stable , legalised structure of Britain,
Bwahahaha. Tell that to Julian Assange.
>because it knows that the home-grown alternative is pure corruption, nepotism and serfdom.
Which, ironically is most often due to the influence exerted by Britain and it’s Anglo-offshoot America on the origin governments of these South/East Asian communities (examples abound).
All across South, East Asia the quality of life is improving as these cultures rid themselves, however slowly, of British, French and American colonial rule. The result is a remarkable reduction in the corruption, nepotism and serfdom you mention.
And all the while corruption, nepotism and serfdom increases in the West.
It won’t be long before the South Asian communities you speak of elect to leave the sinking ship.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 3:10 utc | 190

by the thousands they slither out from Satan’s crevice; infesting threads and stinking up the atmosphere with their vulgar desperation.
Not to win over but to repel and enrage.
Feasting on hatred … their own and inciting ours.
… here is a reminder why they must be disempowered and divested of wealth.
the true face of zion
https://francesleader.substack.com/p/i-dont-argue-with-israeli-propaganda

Posted by: ld | Dec 29 2023 3:26 utc | 191

A lot of kapos commenting today.

Posted by: Wilikins | Dec 29 2023 3:30 utc | 192

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 2:35 utc | 198
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I take on board all that you say.
I have said similar on a previous thread and my post was chucked.
Namely, that Russia must come to terms with the role of Jews in Russian society and governance (historically speaking), and also with the fact that the most destructive carriers of the virus of political Zionism came from Russia and other Slavic lands. Thus, Russia must come to terms with its own (historical and cultural) contribution to the disaster in Palestine and the forces that may be holding it back from totally rejecting, from decrying, from doing something to stop the Gaza genocide. The world looks to Russia somehow to provide this moral and substantive/active leadership, and . . . pffft.
But you put it more succinctly.
It looks like in a sense Russia might have the same problem as the USA. I just watched this video with Scott Ritter. At about 30:00 he starts talking about Jonathan Pollard, the Israel Lobby, and the scourge of political Zionism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoIgloYGSTs

Posted by: Jane | Dec 29 2023 3:51 utc | 193

But you are disappointed in Lavrov? What do you want Lavrov to do; drop a Nuke on Israel?
Posted by: Ed | Dec 29 2023 2:33 utc | 197
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Drop something on Israel. A truth bomb.
Show that the Zionists are not in control in Russia, as they are in the USA.
Not align Russia with Netanyahu.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 29 2023 3:55 utc | 194

UAE calls (again) for UNSC meeting, this time referring to “West Bank”…
(My 2 cents… Austin probably set it up with UAE after Gallant meeting. OR UAE fears Al Aqsa close to being bombed “by mistake”…)
No idea if UNSC will take it up, no idea if open or closed. No idea what UAE wants out of meeting.
Here’s link:
https://www.msn.com/en-ae/news/national/palestinian-crisis-uae-calls-for-urgent-unsc-meeting-on-escalating-situation-in-west-bank/ar-AA1maeBH
“Palestinian crisis: UAE calls for urgent UNSC meeting on escalating situation in West Bank”
“The UAE Mission to UN spokesperson, Shahad Matar, has said in a tweet that he country has called for an urgent United Nations Security Council meeting tomorrow, December 29.”
I know Egypt was supposed to meet with Hamas (?) Friday to discuss ceasefire deal. But, Israel wasn’t going to accept anything Hamas wants so waste of time there.
This looks like another waste of time as well.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 29 2023 3:55 utc | 195

Might have to do with this as well. “Israel sorry it used “wrong bombs” on Camp.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israels-military-says-it-used-the-wrong-bombs-in-strike-on-a-gaza-refugee-center-that-killed-at-least-86-people/ar-AA1mavHD

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 29 2023 4:00 utc | 196

Nation State Lebanon holds firm against Israeli pressure:
BBC News—“snapshot” section
“14:00
‘The party that should hold back is Israel’ – **Lebanese ambassador to UK”**
“Earlier we reported a warning from Israeli minister Benny Gantz to the Lebanese government that it needed to act to prevent Hezbollah’s attacks on northern Israel.
He said Israel would intervene if the militant group continued firing across the border.
Lebanon has responded to the warning. Ambassador to the UK Rami Mortada told the BBC World Service’s Newshour programme that Lebanon was “on the receiving end of the attacks” and “the party that should hold back is Israel”.
“We are not interested in escalation – all sides need to de-escalate,” he said.
Asked about Hezbollah’s actions, he said it “has its own modus operandi”.
When pushed further, Mortada added: “I don’t think now is the time to explain that modus operandi – they are represented in the Lebanese government and they take Lebanese interests into consideration.”
In terms of the wider region, the “spillover from Gaza is very difficult to contain… we need an immediate ceasefire.. to stop the carnage” there, he said.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 29 2023 4:18 utc | 197

Arch Bungle 206
We’re nearly in Pakistan already . Neofeudalism beckons. so where they going to go? Erdoganistan?

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 29 2023 4:18 utc | 198

It seems that almost everyone has ‘forgotten’ the obstacles which prevented Trump from appointing his preferred picks for the Trump administration. Many, many such positions remained vacant until end of his term.
Imo, he would have realised that the only people who would/could be approved by tptb were neocons. So my theory is that he decided to suck up to Jewrael and find out if it would make a difference to his appointments dilemna. As we aĺl know, it made no difference whatsoever – (talk about ungrateful assholes!).
If he gets a second term, any sucking up he does will be designed to help Amerikkka’s neocon traitors to ambush themselves.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 29 2023 4:26 utc | 199

We’re nearly in Pakistan already .
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 29 2023 4:18 utc | 214
Count your blessings. At least you can enjoy your “neo-serfdom” with curry and tandoor instead of bland mash and turnips.
I for one would welcome our new less culinary-challenged feudal overlords …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 29 2023 4:33 utc | 200