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December 14, 2023
Accepting Defeat In Ukraine

In early November the Economist published an interview and several pieces by the commander in chief of the Ukrainian army, General Zaluzny. As I summarized:

Zaluzny's central thesis is that the war is currently at a stalemate. It has become positional, with no large maneuvers being possible. He compares it to the war in Europe in 1917. There, he says, a change only happened through the introduction of new technologies (i.e. tanks).

I for one think that Zaluzny is mistaken. The war is not at a stalemate. Russia has clearly the advantage as it is free to maneuver along the whole frontline and to attack wherever it likes. It does not do so in full force because the current situation allows it to conveniently fulfill the order its commander in chief had given to it – to destroy the military capabilities of Ukraine.

Finally a western mainstream writer has caught up with those facts. Lee Hockstader, the Washington Post's columnist for European affairs,  opines:

In Ukraine, the risk isn’t stalemate. It’s defeat.

Hockstader laments the lack of support from the U.S. and Europe for the new demands the Ukraine is making. He states:

Without those infusions of cash, arms and munitions, even the disappointing status quo over the past year, in which Ukraine has not managed to recapture much territory, is unlikely to endure.

Andriy Yermak, a top aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, told a Washington forum last week that the “big risk” is that Kyiv’s troops could “lose this war.”

That message should jolt policymakers on both sides of the Atlantic. The danger, as Ukraine’s top general warned publicly last month, isn’t simply stalemate. It is that Ukrainian forces, running low on equipment, might be compelled to fall back, shorten their defensive lines and abandon territory.

It’s essential to think about what Ukraine’s defeat means, because it would be as much a strategic disaster for the United States and its NATO allies as a tableau of terror for Ukraine. Dual cataclysms, equally stark, played out on different timetables.

Well, yes. The West has shot its wad and it proved to be sterile.

There will be no terror for Ukraine, just the loss of the ethnic Russian people, industries and land the communist – Lenin, Stalin and Khrushchev – had for whatever reasons attached to it. The rest of it will be a smaller, more poor and purely agricultural rump state without access to the sea. This was obvious from the very beginning to anyone with a clear view of the balance of the forces involved in the war.

As I wrote on February 24 2022, the very day Russian forces entered Ukraine:

Looking at this map I believe that the most advantageous end state for Russia would be the creation of a new independent country, call it Novorussiya, on the land east of the Dnieper and south along the coast that holds a majority ethnic Russian population and that, in 1922, had been attached to the Ukraine by Lenin. That state would be politically, culturally and militarily aligned with Russia.


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This would eliminate Ukrainian access to the Black Sea and create a land bridge towards the Moldavian breakaway Transnistria which is under Russian protection.

Excursus:

The yellow part of that map marked 'Ukraine in 1654' was actually the land of the Eastern Orthodox Zaporozhian Cossacks. Under threat from the Catholic Lithuanian-Polish Commonwealth, which at the time held the green parts under serfdom, they negotiated the Pereiaslav Agreement (1654) with Russia and pledged allegiance to the Tsar. They area thus became an autonomous part of Russia.

End Excursus

The rest of the Ukraine would be a land confined, mostly agricultural state, disarmed and too poor to be build up to a new threat to Russia anytime soon. Politically it would be dominated by fascists from Galicia which would then become a major problem for the European Union.

Thanks to Stalin's additions to the Ukraine three countries, Poland, Hungary and Romania, have claims to certain areas in the Ukraine's western regions. If they want to snatch those up again it is now probably the best time to do so. Despite being part of NATO, which likely would not support such moves, those three will have domestic policy difficulties to withstand the urge.

Since then we learned that Novorussiya will not be an independent state but a genuine part of Russia. So be it. Meanwhile analysts like Hockstader still delve in fantasies:

A complete Ukrainian military collapse is unlikely, at least in coming months. Kyiv’s armed forces remain well-led and motivated, and they are husbanding equipment to prepare for shortfalls. But it is equally unlikely to expect a negotiated cease-fire with Russia that would maintain existing battle lines. To believe in that seemingly anodyne outcome is to misjudge Putin — again.

This is not misjudging Putin, but misjudging the capabilities left to Ukraine. It has run out of men and material. There are daily videos of this or that Ukrainian army unit condemning its leaders and announcing to leave its positions. The potential of a collapse of Ukrainian army is real.

On November 2 I also wrote about the 47th Ukrainian brigade:

During the last days tanks from the 47th brigade (Leo 2) and 10th mountain brigade (T-64BM/BV) have been seen, and were destroyed, near Avdiivka. Both brigades had only recently been mauled during their hopeless attacks at the southern front. It does not make sense to throw what is left of them into another battle without reconstituting them. The whole experience and knowledge these brigades had gained will be lost with them.

Yesterday, the Ukraine friendly Military Watch Magazine confirmed my opinion:

Ukraine’s Elite 47th Mechanised Brigade Surrounded and Low on Ammunition: Critical Front Faces Collapse

The Ukrainian Army’s elite 47th Mechanised Brigade stationed in the town of Avdiivka in the disputed Donetsk region has been surrounded and forced to contend with growing ammunition shortages, according to multiple reports from Ukrainian and Western sources. British reports indicate that the brigade was meant to attack a Russian column before it linked up with assault infantry on the northern flank of Avdievka, but failed to do so due to a lack of ammunition. The brigade’s efforts to stop the advance of Russian forces in Avdievka were described by The Times as “desperate,” fuelling perceptions of an “inevitable collapse” of Ukrainian positions, and diminished hope of preventing a Russian victory by the beginning of the New Year holidays.

A serviceman from the 47th Brigade, cited only as Sergeant Danylo, observing when interviewed over the past week “a shitty situation” as the shell shortage forced soldiers to make impossible life-and-death decisions.“We had 10 times more ammunition over summer, and better quality… American rounds come in batches of almost identical weights, which makes it easier to correct fire, with very few duds. Now we have shells from all over the world with different qualities, and we only get 15 for three days. Last week we got a batch full of duds.” Thus instead of firing on Russians as soon as they came within range, Ukrainian personnel increasingly had to wait to be sure the Russians were heading for their positions and to only engage large groups. Munitions produced by European states have very frequently been faulted for their quality, and at times been considered near useless, with Italian equipment being particularly notorious for its poor quality, in contrast to superior equipment either inherited from the Soviet era or produced in by the United States.

Now tell me again that these are "well-led and motivated" forces which are "husbanding equipment to prepare for shortfalls". Neither rings true to me.

Hockstader continues:

For the Kremlin dictator, a “compromise” would involve Ukraine’s subjugation and dissolution as an independent state. That would include regime change, with Zelensky in exile (or dead), as well as an end to Kyiv’s aspirations to join the E.U. or NATO.

If he is right, the timetable of that ending would be accelerated if Congress and the E.U. fail to approve fresh support. That would leave Ukraine’s government unable to maintain basic services, and its military increasingly short of artillery ammunition, air defense capability and other equipment. Ukraine’s already badly battered front-line forces would become more brittle. Russian territorial gains would be accompanied by murders, rapes, kidnapping of children and other Russian war crimes on a chilling scale.

That grim scenario would be a staggering blow to Western prestige and credibility, revealing that pledges to back Ukraine for “as long as it takes” were empty.

Yes, those pledges, by Biden and others, were indeed empty. That is why he has recently changed his talk:

Amid a Republican standoff and polarizing politics that puts new aid to Ukraine at risk, President Joe Biden emphasized his administration's willingness to support Ukraine, but the language was different. He said the US will be there for Kyiv "as long as we can."

It's a change in tune from previous messaging that the US would be a staunch and fierce ally to Ukraine, aiding it for "as long as it takes" to defeat Russia's invasion.

The West can no longer support the proxy war it had started.

History will now follow its destined path.

Comments

Congress in recess. Therefore there will be silence regarding Ukraine until it reconvenes next year. And after three weeks of silence there could well be a political/media agreement continue to ignore it down the memory hole. Need all hands on deck to attack Trump to keep the ratings game alive. Yammer some Israeli shit if the cognitive dissonance meter needs a boost.
Sorry Ukraine… your 15 minutes of fame is over.

Posted by: comrade simba | Dec 15 2023 6:34 utc | 201

@ Activist Potato | Dec 15 2023 5:56 utc | 197 about my escalation comment
I think that F16s need to fly soon to keep Ukraine from having to capitulate. No F16s are going to fly out of Ukraine but can and will out of “other NATO now” countries.
The inclusion of Ukraine under the NATO umbrella is the lipstick on the pig justification for trying to balance the air game in Ukraine and extend the end game……this just might spark a shock/awe moment brought to us by Russia.
I am sure glad I bought the front row seat to our civilization war…../s

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 15 2023 6:42 utc | 202

EU is going to open process of Ukraine gaining EU memberschip. That will make Ukraonians fight and die harder.
That is Ukro dream, now fullfilled. That is more important to them then anything else. Psychologicaly that is their victory.

Posted by: zorge | Dec 15 2023 8:18 utc | 203

EU is going to open process of Ukraine gaining EU memberschip. That will make Ukraonians fight and die harder.
Posted by: zorge | Dec 15 2023 8:18 utc | 201
Why would that work now when it’s the same carrot that’s been dangled in front of them for years already?
Are Ukrainians donkeys?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 15 2023 8:29 utc | 204

A side bar from RT
Russian President Vladimir Putin has admitted that he should not have put so much trust in Washington and its allies during his first presidential terms, calling it “naive.” He should have placed his trust squarely in the Russian people, he told a major press conference on Thursday.
Asked by a journalist what he would have advised his younger self from more than 20 years ago, Putin said that he would first have cautioned himself against “excessive gullibility” in relations with “our so-called partners” – a term he has repeatedly used when describing the collective West.
The president said that one “must believe in the great Russian people, for this belief is a basis for success in Russia’s renewal… and development.”
Putin also gave a positive assessment of his political trajectory from 20 years ago, saying that he would have generally told his younger self: “You’re on the right path, comrade,” citing a popular aphorism commonly attributed to the Russian revolutionary and first Soviet leader Vladimir Lenin.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 15 2023 8:36 utc | 205

Hungary vetoes almost all EU decisions on Ukraine, including the eighth tranche of 500 million euros in military aid, 5 billion euros from the European Peace Fund for military support in 2024, 20 billion euros in military support for Ukraine and another 50 billion euros in the EU budget to provide macro-financial assistance to Kiev over the next four years.
Still in the game?

Posted by: Jo | Dec 15 2023 8:37 utc | 206

186.. better check the economics…UK is flatlining…risks of a dodgy bond market….Russia economy to grow by 3% plus next year.UK never been so highly taxed …etc

Posted by: Jo | Dec 15 2023 8:45 utc | 207

That is Ukro dream, now fullfilled. That is more important to them then anything else. Psychologicaly that is their victory.
Posted by: zorge | Dec 15 2023 8:18 utc | 201
In your home village, is it known about a country called Turkey? They’re a candidate since eu was invented, forever on the outside.
Actually only partially on the outside, they can sell their crap in Bulgaria, Romania and other slave factories from the “garden”. They’re banned only in western eu because the products they make are worse than low level from China, food has no taste and they don’t follow any pesticide rules either.
Also no one can get into eu without getting into nato first.

Posted by: rk | Dec 15 2023 8:49 utc | 208

thanks Karlof1 148

Posted by: Jo | Dec 15 2023 9:26 utc | 209

About that “EU membership”. Not gonna happen, at least in a timeframe that is relevant for Ukrainians. Just a larger carrot in front of the donkey.

Legitimate
#layout
Why today’s decision on the case of Ukraine/Moldova joining the EU does not mean anything, although it sounds loud.
The news spread across all media that the European Council decided to begin negotiations on the accession of Ukraine and Moldova to the EU. The office people took this news as a mega win, but as they say, “the devil is in the details.”
Negotiations will begin only in March, and for the full accession of Ukraine and Moldova, about 70 more unanimous votes of the European Council will be needed.
For the EU, this decision cost almost nothing, but it is extremely necessary to motivate Ukrainians to continue fighting when there is negativity, disappointment, devastation, poverty, lawlessness, etc. all around. For the Moldovan government, this is an attempt to sell its voters the “European dream” and increase its falling ratings after losing the regional elections, in the hope of winning the 2024 elections.
For Ukraine (and Moldova) to fully join, at least 3-5 years are needed. Everyone understands that Ukraine will not last that long, especially without CONSTANT major Western financial assistance. Every year it will be more and more difficult for Ukraine to get funding for the “game”. Devastation will increase, the army of disabled people will grow, cemeteries will grow, and cities will die out. And at one point the credit stream will dry up and everything will collapse. What we have been talking about for a long time will happen – the exchange/distribution of the territory of Ukraine between all participants in the game.
As usual, Western partners give Ukrainians unfulfilled dreams so that they will continue to fight for the interests of transnational corporations and the military-industrial complex. This is the whole tragedy of the situation.
We are almost 100% sure that no one will take Ukraine into the EU. But they will constantly throw the bone in order to squeeze the maximum profit out of the Ukrainian case.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 15 2023 9:30 utc | 210

“All wars are bankers wars.”
Russia is helping to resolve the lack of monetary expansion in what was a relatively peaceful world.
Get it?
While your all rootin’ for Putin, he is pleasing the Rothschilds at the expense of a million Slavic Christian lives.
What a hero!

Posted by: Little Black Duck | Dec 15 2023 9:37 utc | 211

Here’s a look at the current status of the Ukrainian conflict as the West’s desperation only grows.
Endgame: Hail Mary in Ukraine
https://www.beyondwasteland.net/p/endgame-hail-mary-in-ukraine

Posted by: KevinB | Dec 15 2023 9:38 utc | 212

Posted by: zorge | Dec 15 2023 8:18 utc | 201
Not that you’ll respond but what do you think would happen if (and Ukraine is a long long way from membership) a big if Ukraine joins the E.U.?
Do you think the war would magically stop? Do you think Russia will give back Crimea? Or would Russia continue on to Kiev remove the regime and withdraw Ukraine. from the E.U.?
Or better yet keep Ukraine in the E.U. but change the Kiev regime and give Russia a veto on E.U. actions.
Think these things through child.

Posted by: James M | Dec 15 2023 9:39 utc | 213

https://peremogi.livejournal.com/69271839.html
At the position in Zhytomyr, three arrivals of Kinzhal aeroballistic missiles at about 16:30 on December 14 destroyed the radar and 5 launchers of the MIM-104F Patriot PAC-2/3 complex, which had just arrived as military aid from Germany.
Earlier, since April 2023, Patriots have been destroyed at Kyiv’s Zhulyany airport and in Odessa, with Kh-31PD, Iskander and Kinzhal missiles.
This is the fifth complex lost in Ukraine.
Meanwhile, they have their own atmosphere: The enemy (Air Force spokesman Y. Ihnat) announced the “interception” of one Kinzhal out of four.
They would have written three at once! One was “intercepted” by the radar and two by the launchers.
By the way, 5 launchers (20 missiles or 80 missile defense missiles or their combinations) is about 30% of the stock of PAC-2/PAC-3 missiles in Germany.
The photo shows a fire and an uncontrolled scattering of anti aircraft missiles.
The day before, the Russian Aerospace Forces struck military airfields in western Ukraine in the Ivano-Frankivsk and Vinnytsia regions, as well as in Starokostyantyniv in the Khmelnytskyi region.
The official representative of the Ukrainian Air Force, Yuriy Ihnat, complained that near Ivano-Frankivsk, a blow was struck at the location of Ukrainian pilots who are preparing to be sent to the West to retrain in the control of American F-16 fighters.
Like, “the Russians knock out pilots.” Liar, Mr. Ignat – Ukraine’s remaining Su-24 front-line bombers, which were adapted for British Storm Shadow/SCALP long-range missiles, are based at these airfields.
Also at these airfields there are arsenals of Western ammunition, which come here through Poland. So the strike was pinpoint and specifically for military purposes. Future F-16 pilots will be wiped out in the sky if they manage to take off.
Details of the destruction (infantmilitario/115125) of the Patriot air defense system have appeared.
A battery of Patriot air defense systems sent by Germany to Ukraine was destroyed by a Kinzhal missile strike near Zhytomyr, west of Kyiv. There is also a claim that it could have been a battery, partially divided between Kyiv and Odessa, and that it was withdrawn to the west after the shelling of the center of Kyiv. Five launchers and one command vehicle, and one air surveillance radar were destroyed. Also destroyed were 80 ready-to-fire missiles worth $5.5 million and 160 spare missiles in stock. Their cost is $1.32 billion.
Over the past eight years, the US has ordered between 108 and 328 new MIM-104 missiles.
With a single blow, Russia wiped out annual production. During the attacks on Kyiv, the air defense system was integrated with the radar of the AEGIS complex and early warning and control aircraft in Poland and Romania and tried to shoot down the Kinzhals, but was destroyed.
Thus, the number of Patriot air defense batteries destroyed in Ukraine has increased to four!

Posted by: patriot destroyed | Dec 15 2023 9:47 utc | 214

Further to my comment @209
Bare in mind that the Ukrainian army is almost entirely a conscripted one.
And the population is primarily sympathetic to Russia, so they say.
What a champion!

Posted by: Little Black Duck | Dec 15 2023 11:09 utc | 215

In Transcarpathia in western Ukraine, a village council deputy detonated a grenade during a session meeting. He himself died, 11 people were injured.
https://twitter.com/SenoreAmore/status/1735614032575348928

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 15 2023 11:18 utc | 216

unimperator @214
Any idea what the council was arguing about? My guess is mobilization, but I don’t understand Russian or Ukrainian.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 15 2023 11:31 utc | 217

Winston # 10 — Thanks for the link !
I’ve been following the agricultural land grab in Ukraine and first ran into one of the players in Kiev 2008 . It was Iowa State Univ. dba John Deere. Since back then, the land had to be owned by at least one Ukrainian citizen and he/she was allowed foreign business partners. I picked Nibulon to follow , mainly after the Ukrainian owners were killed in a ” Russian missile attack” on their residence or so said by the Ukrainian news , which is about as honest as the CIA or Mossad is. Nibulon, which has a rather nice port facility in the Nikolaev area has 2 foreign partners also and I’ll be watching this since I know where that that port is and it’s 1/2 days drive , once the war is over.
Although I haven’t gotten thru all of the Oakland research, they forgot to tell us that 90% of the Ukie wealth was in the hands of the Jewish Oligarchs. And I hope they discuss the deal that the Chinese had with Yanukovytch for farmland and the port they started to build in Crimea. I’m sure the Russian Chinese interests in Ukraine had a large influence on – when the MaiDan in Kiev was to take place also – спасибо

Posted by: GMC | Dec 15 2023 11:34 utc | 218

In Serbia there are many highly educated rich Russians.
They work for the western companies and are extremely arrogant.
Russia is lucky without them.

Posted by: zorge | Dec 15 2023 11:46 utc | 219

EU is going to open process of Ukraine gaining EU memberschip. That will make Ukraonians fight and die harder.
That is Ukro dream, now fullfilled. That is more important to them then anything else. Psychologicaly that is their victory.
Posted by: zorge | Dec 15 2023 8:18 utc | 201
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That’s great news for elensky and his handlers. It’s terrible news for actual Ukrainians of (ever increasing) conscriptable age.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 15 2023 11:50 utc | 220

In reply to #210
if EU (VdL & co) decides so, UKR could be a full EU state in a week. Rules are made to be bent.

Posted by: mauro | Dec 15 2023 12:37 utc | 221

Au contraire, the US goal, articulated early on by the incompetent SECDEF, was to weaken Russia. The UK goal was to steal as much money as possible. Mission accomplished.
I suppose now I will be told that Russia is stronger now then when this fiasco started. To that I say “sure Pal”.
Posted by: Realist | Dec 15 2023 2:17 utc | 187
Russia is stronger now since the inception of the SMO:
1. The 20% of the Ukraine Russia now controls has trillions of future revenues in minerals and fossil fuels.
2. The Russian army is bigger.
3. Russian economy grew 5% in last quarter while the West is just barely growing.
4. Russia has developed new modern warfare strategies.
5. ROW is more behind Russia than before the SMO
6. US debt is becoming larger with its Uke contributions thereby it be comes weaker.

Posted by: canuck | Dec 15 2023 12:39 utc | 222

Posted by: bored | Dec 14 2023 18:38 utc | 110 …………

They’re trying but many of their missiles are being shot down by Ukrainian air defenses. Just today the Slavyangrad telegram channel (hardly a pro Ukrainian source) stated Ukraine shot down a Kinzhal missile over Kiev. The Kinzhal is one of Russia’s most advanced (if not the most advanced) missiles and Ukraine is able to down them……..

where did you get this from?
on Slavyangrad are reports about Ukrainian Sources
and even these are not in agreement about what missle !!!
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Slavyangrad V.V Putin-2024!
14 Dec, 05:33
The number of 48N6 missiles that attacked Kyiv today is measured in the thousands, and the Russian Federation continues
to produce them. This was reported by Defense Express editor-in-chief Oleg Katkov.
“The missiles that attacked Kyiv today are about a range of more than 280 km. That is, the range of these missiles is most likely
over 300 km. These missiles are still of Soviet production. Therefore, their number in Russia is significant,” Katkov said.
“The Russian 48N6 missile, with which the Russian Federation attacked Kiev, was the main one before the S-400 complex.
Although this missile was produced back in Soviet times, Russia continues to produce them. It is difficult to name the exact number
of these missiles. However, most likely, we are talking about a range with three zeros.
That is, a thousand units and Russia continues to produce them. Therefore, there is simply no point in counting them,”
the expert said.
#Source Ukrainian Strana
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Slavyangrad V.V Putin-2024!
14 Dec, 17:39
More explosions reported in Starokonstantinov, Zhytomyr, and Zhulyany airport area (Kiev)!
Ukrainians report 6 Kinzhals. All shot down, of course…

Posted by: ghiwen | Dec 15 2023 12:54 utc | 223

Posted by: ghiwen | Dec 15 2023 12:54 utc | 223
There was a video filmed from inside Kiev when the Kinzhal/Iskander strikes happened. Clearly a resonating/rumbling sound could be made out from the video, the resonance going through the land mass. There were probably 5 explosions in the 20 second period.
Not a single Kinzhal has been shot down with Nato air defense systems, for which there is a single reason. The reason is the Kinzhal rises into the edge of space (where Nato AD can’t reach) and comes down pretty vertically in an angle of 75 degrees. US PAC-2/PAC-3 MIM-104 systems have a dead angle. Every AD system has a dead angle, even S-400. The only way it could be theoretically possible if they set up an AD network, but even then the radars can’t track Kinzhal nor hit it if shooting away further back.
I’m not sure S-400 missiles would be used for ground strikes. It has been floated since Autumn 2022 periodically, it’s more likely BS made up by Kiev to support the narrative that RUAF is (was) out of other ground missiles. But since then we have heard a lot of reports that RUAF can nowadays use 2 Iskanders on a single target with a small time interval usually, to maximize damage.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/95527

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 15 2023 13:04 utc | 224

A naked postmortem of Ze with his Third Reich tattoo ensemble is all I want for Christmas.
Russia’s fighting plan has given his lousy regime time enough to suicide its would-be glorious Ukrainian Reich into a horrible, probably mortal shambles. This war-plan was not, historically, the Russian model. Those did not include, for instance, Ze’s mansion-buying sprees or the fattening of his thieving cohort’s riches or so many Russian soldiers’ lives ended.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Dec 15 2023 13:33 utc | 225

Allow me to correct you El. Russias fighting plan was victorious over the combined weight of the West. It has effectively reversed the sanctions and is now slow bleeding the West while minimizing her own caultaties. In fact, it seems like exactly the right strategy, given that loss of life was inevitable Going faster meant more deaths, not less.
I’ll go with the Russian MOD here. They have strategic nous, unlike the NATO dipshits. Conventional wisdom is useless…as is the opinion of generals who have only come close to wars like this when reading a book.
NATO reminds me of that movie with Tom Cruise and aliens when they die they reset time. He is explaining to the allied Supreme commander…you don’t understand how to fight this war and never will. They are incapable of learning. This is what happens when you select for compliance and nepotism instead of skill.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 15 2023 14:52 utc | 226

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/95699

🇺🇸🇵🇸 Interesting details have been reported by the American channel CNN based on a report prepared by the Office of the US Director of National Intelligence. According to the document, approximately 40-45% of the airborne munitions used by the Israeli Air Force in the Gaza Strip were conventional unguided bombs and other destructive weapons.
Previously, photos from IDF air bases have already surfaced on the Internet, showing combat aircraft carrying old 340-kg M117 bombs from the Korean War of the 1950s, among other things. There was also evidence of the Israeli use of Zuni unguided missile pods from the era of the Vietnam conflict.
All of this clearly demonstrates that unguided projectiles still have relevance in high-intensity conflicts. Maximum efficiency is achieved by skillfully combining less expensive and more widely available “conventional” ammunition with high-precision ammunition, depending on the goals and objectives.
It’s ironic that until recently, renowned experts dismissed free-falling bombs and simple artillery shots as relics of the past century and laughed at the Russian Armed Forces. However, just two years later, they themselves are now advocating for an increase in the production of traditional unguided 155 mm ammunition.
#Israel #Palestine #USA
@rybar

A rare low quality post from Rybar.
Israel is firing unguided bombs and rockets into Gaza precisely because it leads to enormous civilian casualties. There is a shrinking operations niche for such weapons, an entirely plausible increase in the risk to the launcher aircraft and those weapons will cease to be economical against all but the most diminished opponents.
As to cannon shells, they cannot be fired without guns and the guns cannot operate silently, metal shells cannot be made invisible to radar, unguided shells cannot manoeuvre in flight to mask their point of origin. There is no cat & mouse argument that can dial out the cost of the cannons or their conspicuous operational signatures.
Ukraine’s curators didn’t even try to provide their hapless protégés with the means to cut a hole in Russia’s surveillance-artillery complex, the counter-offensive was doomed without it.
Just how much should we read into the weapon choices of a conflict that seems designed to offer just enough hope to lure Ukrainians to their deaths without any real chance of victory.

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 15 2023 15:47 utc | 227

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has said his government will have around 75 more opportunities to block Ukraine’s path towards EU membership, and that allowing accession talks to begin is a political gesture by Brussels.

Posted by: Jo | Dec 15 2023 17:48 utc | 228

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has said his government will have around 75 more opportunities to block Ukraine’s path towards EU membership, and that allowing accession talks to begin is a political gesture by Brussels.
Posted by: Jo | Dec 15 2023 17:48 utc | 228
And he vetoed the 50 bil.

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 15 2023 18:57 utc | 229

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 14 2023 22:25 utc | 154
That’s what I said.

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 15 2023 20:01 utc | 230

Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 15 2023 8:36 utc | 205
*** A side bar from RT
Russian President Vladimir Putin has admitted that he should not have put so much trust in Washington and its allies during his first presidential terms, calling it “naive.” He should have placed his trust squarely in the Russian people, he told a major press conference on Thursday.
Asked by a journalist what he would have advised his younger self from more than 20 years ago, Putin said that he would first have cautioned himself against “excessive gullibility” in relations with “our so-called partners” – a term he has repeatedly used when describing the collective West. ***
Is it credible that a former senior officer of the KGB could be so hugely blinkered?

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 15 2023 21:40 utc | 231

Is it credible that a former senior officer of the KGB could be so hugely blinkered?
Posted by: Cynic | Dec 15 2023 21:40 utc | 231
Not sure that a man we are led to believe was a KGB Lt Col linguist working in the back of beyond in East Germany could be regarded as a “senior officer” in the way you intend.

Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 15 2023 23:03 utc | 232

Re: Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Dec 14 2023 14:02 utc | 37

It appears the RF has learned just how obsolete Navies are, the US is the one that seems to have not learned yet, I am waiting for the Houthis to sink a Carrier to pound that lesson in.

You will be waiting for eternity then.
When was the last time a US Carrier was sunk by an enemy combatant in theatre?
Answer me that and you’ll know why this is something the Houthis will never achieve.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 16 2023 7:20 utc | 233

Cynic
Putin believed Russia had a role as a great Eurasian power – from Lisbon to Vladivostok was a favorite speech of his. And this should, and could have come to pass, and would have been an enormous benefit to the people of Europe. Alas, the US had other ideas, and here we are.
Also, remember Russia was quite weak back then, and very reliant on the West for things like aerospace parts etc. After many years of sanctions they have become increasingly self-reliant and are able to do what they are doing today. That may not have been possible at the time.

Posted by: Glasshopper | Dec 16 2023 11:31 utc | 234

Posted by: paxmark1 | Dec 14 2023 20:02 utc | 128
Correct me if I’m wrong (I often am), but isn’t the 750kV backbone of the grid essential to keep the numerous NPPs safe from potential spontaneous kinetic disassembly?

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Dec 18 2023 22:05 utc | 235