"Palestinian Terror Operative" Means Anyone Still Alive
The Zionist soldiers incredibly frightened and insane:
Initial IDF probe: Hostages were shirtless, waving white flag when soldiers opened fire - Times of Israel
The IDF provides new details of yesterday’s tragic incident in Gaza City’s Shejaiya neighborhood, during which three Israeli hostages who managed to escape Hamas captivity were shot dead by troops.According to a senior officer in the Southern Command, citing an initial probe, the incident began after one soldier stationed in a building identified three suspicious figures exiting a building several dozen meters away.
All three were shirtless, with one of the figures carrying a stick with a makeshift white flag, according to the investigation.
The soldier, who believed the men moving toward him was an attempt by Hamas to lure IDF soldiers into a trap, immediately opened fire and shouted “terrorists!” to the other forces.
According to the probe, that soldier killed two of the men, while the third, who was hit and wounded, fled back into the building from which he came.
At that stage, the commander of the battalion, who was also in the building where the soldier shot from, went outside and called on the forces to halt their fire.
Meanwhile, sounds of someone shouting “Help” in Hebrew were heard by the troops in the area.
Moments later, the third man came out of the building to which he fled, and another soldier opened fire at him, killing him.
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Still, the IDF said it understands what led the soldiers to do so.In Shejaiya, the senior officer says the IDF has not identified any Palestinian civilians in recent days.
The officer says troops have killed at least 38 Palestinian terror operatives in Shejaiya in recent days.
"Palestinian terror operatives" seems to be a synonym for 'anyone still alive'.
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Posted by: KMRIA | Dec 16 2023 13:37 utc | 2
I mean Israeli military telling the truth-what the fuck is going on?
Posted by: canuck | Dec 16 2023 13:34 utc | 1
They killed Israeli's. The people of Israel think those lives are real and warrant dignity, so they must tell the truth about how they are killed. But Palestinians are considered subhuman and worthless and can be slaughtered with impunity and justified by lies.
Posted by: bill wolfe | Dec 16 2023 13:39 utc | 3
After September 11th it took quite some time for people to discern that they were being
fed an official story which was worthy of a Henry Kissinger.
Why wait months and years to realize that Oct 7th was not what you are being spoon fed?
More information will leak out, for sure.
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The IDF & Mossad knew the details of Hamas' plan a year ago. Mossad spooks on the ground in Gaza told the IDF when to withdraw -which they did- the majority of it's troops away from the border with Gaza just in time for Oct 7th.
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It wasn't Hamas' plan that unfolded on Oct 7th. It was Hamas' plan wrapped in Mossad's & IDF's plan, wrapped in Netanyahu's plan for ethnically cleansing Gaza.
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If Mossad/CIA can bring down skyscrapers in NY they can certainly cut their own communication systems around Gaza thus delaying the response to the Hamas jail break and enabling Hamas's Oct 7th "success".
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The IDF implemented the Hannibal Directive thus multiplying the number of casualties on Oct 7th. These casualties enraged and united the Zionist masses in a blood rage, giving license to Netanyahu to carry out his plan of ethnically cleansing Gaza.
Posted by: librul | Dec 16 2023 13:40 utc | 4
@Posted by: canuck | Dec 16 2023 13:34 utc | 1
Why is the IDF telling the truth, you ask.
Too many witnesses.
Posted by: librul | Dec 16 2023 13:43 utc | 5
@Posted by: canuck | Dec 16 2023 13:34 utc | 1
Why is the IDF telling the truth, you ask.
Imagine if this is the 'limited hangout' version, how bad is the real version?
Also, the witnesses would have been fragged by special Mossad units if at all possible.
Posted by: librul | Dec 16 2023 13:48 utc | 6
Maybe this partial truth telling by the IDF is an indication of splits in Israeli policy. Yemeni blockade is beginning to hurt. Maybe some are looking for a way out.
Posted by: Aniteleya | Dec 16 2023 13:55 utc | 7
To start answering my own question in an earlier thread (and not off the topic here) about what is going on in Congo, there was this bit of news in September: The Democratic Republic of Congo will move its embassy in Israel to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
And there is stuff about Israel keeping Mobutu in power decades ago.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 16 2023 13:56 utc | 8
They were shirtless to show they were unarmed, probably because they knew how dangerous it would be surrendering to soldiers conditioned to see every civilian as a suicide bomber.
Posted by: Gerard Mc Cullagh | Dec 16 2023 13:59 utc | 9
I mean Israeli military telling the truth-what the fuck is going on?
Posted by: canuck | Dec 16 2023 13:34 utc | 1
It's very puzzling. I can only assume that within the IDF there is major revolt brewing. And doing coverups of more events is going to be more trouble than it is worth. While Israelis do not care about anyone but themselves and are content to see Palestinians slaughtered in any way possible, at some level, it must be terrifying to them that the IDF can slaughter them too with no consequences. And being that so many have served in the IDF and are familiar with it, I imagine there is big trouble within the ranks.
I do not think Al Qassam have given their version but then again the captives could have been taken captive by another group. I find it a bit strange that the three did not try to escape from Gaza. They seem to be military age men.
Abu Obaida statement from Dec 15
Our fighters increasingly believe that the enemy is using mercenaries in its operation, which it claims to be a war of existence and national dignity.”
Posted by: pq | Dec 16 2023 14:00 utc | 10
The IDF soldiers must have been trained at the US police academy. Shoot first, then see who they were.
Posted by: CIROC | Dec 16 2023 14:00 utc | 11
Hannibal Directive training shows
Note - the killed Israelis were all caputured soldiers who escaped. POWs not hostages
Posted by: Exile | Dec 16 2023 14:01 utc | 12
Why are the Israeli soldiers telling the truth?
In Talmudic Judaism, the moral obligations of Jews towards other Jews vs non-Jews is very different. This is astonishing for non-Jews to understand. To be God’s Chosen People and explicitly also means everyone else is not Chosen and of little value before God. The Commandment “Thou shall not kill” applies only to killing another Jew.
Here is an excellent book by Israel Shahak, with forwards by Gore Vidal and Edward Said, which deals with this very dark reality about Talmudic Judaism.
Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 16 2023 14:11 utc | 13
Why would IDF tell the truth, however selectively? My old observation is that for all the talk about innocent victims, IDF goes truly bonkers when soldiers are killed. Civilians, especially liberal minded like music festival attendees who dance during the Shabbat are much, much less important.
In this case, I suspect that the "hostages" were military, Hamas claims that they released the civilians during the ceasefire. So killing them without Hannibal directive justification is seriously bad for military morale. Remember that IDF is a conscript army, the service is as serious an issue as religion, Israel is effectively under dual theocracy: Torah and military, both important.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 16 2023 14:14 utc | 14
Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 16 2023 14:11 utc | 13
But isn't the scandal here and Oct 7 that Israel has killed its own?
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 16 2023 14:15 utc | 15
@Posted by: Exile | Dec 16 2023 14:01 utc | 12
Yes!
Not sure if this is what you fully intended but it triggered a thought for me.
We are getting the 'limited hangout' version from the Izzie propagandists.
They don't want the hostages coming out and telling the world what they witnessed on Oct 7th (re: Hannibal Doctrine).
So when possible the IDF silences the hostages forever.
Posted by: librul | Dec 16 2023 14:16 utc | 16
I mean Israeli military telling the truth-what the fuck is going on?
Posted by: canuck | Dec 16 2023 13:34 utc | 1
They killed Israeli's. The people of Israel think those lives are real and warrant dignity, so they must tell the truth about how they are killed. But Palestinians are considered subhuman and worthless and can be slaughtered with impunity and justified by lies.
Posted by: bill wolfe | Dec 16 2023 13:39 utc | 3
If so why have they barred an investigation of Israeli deaths at the hands of the IDF executing either the Hannibal doctrine or just blind panic on October 7?
Hannibal Directive training shows
Note - the killed Israelis were all caputured soldiers who escaped. POWs not hostages
Posted by: Exile | Dec 16 2023 14:01 utc | 12
Do you mean that these three were taken captive after the ground invasion started? (that they are not from the Oct 7 group).
Posted by: Pq | Dec 16 2023 14:18 utc | 18
Now, if I was one of those hostages who'd just escaped from my captors in a war torn city and came across my fellow countrymen and saviours, I wouldn't make a white flag with a stick, no, I'd start roaring and shouting at them telling them who I am while positioned behind a very thick wall.
Hostages these days!! The IDF can't be blamed for their deaths, sure an Israeli looks the same as a Palestinian with the shirt off their back.
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Dec 16 2023 14:19 utc | 19
The military on Friday identified the three hostages as Yotam Haim and Alon Shamriz, abducted from the Kfar Aza kibbutz, and Samer Talalka, abducted from nearby Nir Am kibbutz, all kidnapped by Hamas on 7 October.
You are right, they are probably Oct 7 Hannibal witnesses so they were Hannibaled themselves....
I don't think IOF want any more Oct witnesses
Posted by: Pq | Dec 16 2023 14:22 utc | 20
Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 16 2023 14:11 utc | 13
Sometime in the late 1950s, that world-class gossip and occasional historian, John F. Kennedy, told me how, in 1948, Harry S. Truman had been pretty much abandoned bv everyone when he came to run for president....LOL!. I'm hooked.
Thanks.
Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 16 2023 14:23 utc | 21
Remember that IDF is a conscript army, the service is as serious an issue as religion, Israel is effectively under dual theocracy: Torah and military, both important.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 16 2023 14:14 utc | 14
I don't buy that statement as the most religious Jews, the Orthodox, are pacifists and do not participate in the army.
PROTEST IN SANA
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1735704426961047769
Posted by: ld | Dec 16 2023 14:24 utc | 23
https://twitter.com/i/status/1735679727535358461
NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART
Posted by: ld | Dec 16 2023 14:26 utc | 24
The number of journalists murdered by the Zionist Regime over the past couple of months has now exceeded 90.
But don't worry.
The British government has hosted a conference on media freedom, and harassment of journalists ....... in Russia, China and Iran.......
The British invented hypocrisy.
if there were gold medals for hypocrisy Britain would have a chest full of them.
Still, if Britain didn't have double standards, it wouldn't have ant standards at all.
Posted by: anon | Dec 16 2023 14:26 utc | 25
The problem with decades of the Izzraelis dehumanizing the Palestinians is that it eventually bleeds over to their own people.
If you dehumanize one group of people it's a short step to eventually dehumanizing ones own.
This becomes obvious under pressure, in times of stress and tragedy: The human mind doesn't distinguish between "them" and "us" and in the end we're all just animals to be gunned down on site ...
Probably the reason for all the mass shootings in the USA.
A culture of dehumanisation.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 16 2023 14:29 utc | 26
"Outrage as Saudi accounts promote ancient Arabian goddesses amid attempt to revive national heritage"
What's next? Women counting for more than a camel or half a man?
Posted by: Antonym | Dec 16 2023 14:31 utc | 27
The white flag just appeared as breaking news in the New York Times.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 16 2023 14:32 utc | 28
all kidnapped by Hamas on 7 October.
You are right, they are probably Oct 7 Hannibal witnesses so they were Hannibaled themselves....
I don't think IOF want any more Oct witnesses
Posted by: Pq | Dec 16 2023 14:22 utc | 21
They were probably never abducted by Hamas to begin with. Perhaps never even in Gaza.
The "white flag" story is probably just that ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 16 2023 14:32 utc | 29
Outrage as Saudi accounts promote ancient Arabian goddesses amid attempt to revive national heritage"
Posted by: Antonym | Dec 16 2023 14:31 utc | 28
Ah, finally some progress.
Beats worshipping a giant black dick like the Hindutvas do, or a thousand armed female goddess ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 16 2023 14:33 utc | 30
Armchair conspiracy weavers at it again. Since the advent of firearms, friendly fire has been lethal to friend and foe alike. Any where up to 20% of casualties are the result of friendly fire—seeking conspiracy when industrial level warfare provides the solution is simply fantasy projection.
Of course the IDF soldiers are scared shit less, that is also the reality of industrial warfare. It has been a maxim in urban warfare to NEVER expose oneself for this very reason.
Posted by: Zargo | Dec 16 2023 14:36 utc | 31
How would the IDF fare against a peer adversary?
I'm not impressed by their current status.
This isn't the army of 67 or 73.
Posted by: jpc | Dec 16 2023 14:37 utc | 32
Repost:
The war is gradually spilling over and it seems the hotbed is Red sea
warships operating in Red Sea, Gulf of Oman, Gulf of Aden, Persian Gulf, Arabian Sea
Posted by: sentience | Dec 16 2023 14:38 utc | 33
From previous Palestine thread:
So Israeli soldiers saw three unarmed civilians and killed them, thinking they were Palestinians. I see no mistake.
The Israeli government has repeatedly stated that bringing home all of the hostages is one of its principal aims in the war.
Welcome home folks.
Posted by: Leuk | Dec 15 2023 23:54 utc | 145
Good taste aside, I had to suppress a chuckle in response to Leuk's quip.
It's simultaneously comforting and alarming that Jews have as much trouble distinguishing Jews from Human Beings as I do.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 16 2023 14:39 utc | 34
The IDF soldiers must have been trained at the US police academy. Shoot first, then see who they were.
Posted by: CIROC | Dec 16 2023 14:00 utc | 11
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FWIW it’s the other way around: All over the USA, police forces receive training from the IDF.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 16 2023 14:39 utc | 35
But isn't the scandal here and Oct 7 that Israel has killed its own?
Jonathan W @ 16
I wondered about that also. Not every Jew ascribes to Talmudic Judaism, so it is not black and white. These 3 Israelis who were killed had clearly escaped and were coming to the IDF for help. The killing of Jews by the IDF on Oct 7th (pretty much like the bombing of Gaza with no heed of the hostages), was more a mix of fog of war / killing frenzy and the Hannibal Directive, IMO.
Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 16 2023 14:40 utc | 36
Of course the IDF soldiers are scared shit less, that is also the reality of industrial warfare.
Posted by: Zargo | Dec 16 2023 14:36 utc | 32
They're scared shitless of concentration camp inmates they've had bottled up for decades in a hermetically sealed prison?
The most powerful military in the middle east, backed by a superpower and aided by the west, still "shitless" when confronted by those without even the fraction of the firepower?
Who are these Palestinians? Children of Nephilim?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 16 2023 14:40 utc | 37
Armchair conspiracy weavers at it again. Since the advent of firearms, friendly fire has been lethal to friend and foe alike. Any where up to 20% of casualties are the result of friendly fire—seeking conspiracy when industrial level warfare provides the solution is simply fantasy projection.
Posted by: Zargo | Dec 16 2023 14:36 utc | 32
This is good to bear in mind when you hear stories of Russians killing each other in Chechnya. Stories that led the west to vastly underestimate Russia's capabilities. It is just the white flag element that makes one really appreciate the valiance of your "explanation" here.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 16 2023 14:44 utc | 38
@Posted by: Zargo | Dec 16 2023 14:36 utc | 32
100% of AIPAC dual-loyalists believe the attack upon the USS Liberty was a case of mistaken identity.
Posted by: librul | Dec 16 2023 14:46 utc | 39
We can criticize, we can condemn IDF, we can talk about civilian victims, but in the end what counts is only victory. In its ruthless way, IDF has won. By crime, by genocide, but it won the war.
Nobody would lift a finger to save Palestinians. In the modern world, with populations dumbed by endless consuming and media brainwashing thee is no place for weak or human.
Russia should learn a big lesson from Israel on how to defend itself.
Posted by: zorge | Dec 16 2023 14:47 utc | 40
100% of AIPAC dual-loyalists believe the attack upon the USS Liberty was a case of mistaken identity.
Posted by: librul | Dec 16 2023 14:46 utc | 39
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Let’s be fair and not accuse AIPAC types of dual loyalty. After all, they have no loyalty to the USA.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 16 2023 14:49 utc | 41
Note - a few days ago it was reported that 20 IDF have been KIA‘d by friendly fire in Gaza.
Also note - about a week ago, it was reported in the West Bank a IsraeliJew was also shot execution style by IDF. Apparently this was on his knees with his hands up, he had unbuttoned his shirt to show he wasn’t wearing a suicide belt / also loudly proclaiming he was a Jew. IDF simply killed him in cold blood.
Posted by: Exile | Dec 16 2023 14:52 utc | 42
"We can criticize, we can condemn IDF". Thanks. But...
So your advice is that Russia should shoot those waving a white flag to truly defend itself because it is okay for Israel to do it? Are you for real?
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 16 2023 14:52 utc | 43
So what’s the score now of how many illegal settlers have been killed by be illegal apartheid regimes stormtroopers ?
I mean compared to the Hamas freedom fighters since that supposed surprise invasion, it seems the trigger happy zionazis are much more efficient & more than happy with killing all the wrong type of Zios… you know like they did in the ‘camps’.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 16 2023 14:54 utc | 44
I strongly endorse zios eliminating zios, but this should indicate to anyone with two brain cells that the "hostages" are far safer with HAMAS than with their zionazi compatriots.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 16 2023 14:58 utc | 45
Israeli Zionist do not only think of Palestinians as human animals. They think all non-Jews are sub-human, and this is evident in how they have killed journalists and UN workers. These attitudes are deep seated in Talmudic teachings.
Israel Shahak writes:
“I had personally witnessed an ultra-religious Jew refuse to allow his phone to be used on the Sabbath in order to call an ambulance for a non-Jew who happened to have collapsed in his Jerusalem neighbourhood. Instead of simply publishing the incident in the press, I asked for a meeting with the members of the Rabbinical Court of Jerusalem, which is composed of rabbis nominated by the State of Israel. I asked them whether such behaviour was consistent with their interpretation of the Jewish religion. They answered that the Jew in question had behaved correctly, indeed piously, and backed their statement by referring me to a passage in an authoritative compendium of Talmudic laws, written in this century. I reported the incident to the main Hebrew daily, Ha'aretz, whose publication of the story caused a media scandal.”
Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 16 2023 14:58 utc | 46
Posted by: canuck | Dec 16 2023 13:34 utc | 1
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Thus far, the best thing the Israeli government can do for its cause of genocide is to send its PR staff on vacation. This has been a public perception disaster.
There are a lot of myths about Jews. That they exercise outsize control politically abroad, and that they are all Nobel winners from the "startup nation". The truth is that they manipulate the corruptible and control nexus' like education, media, and entertainment through tribal nepotism.
From my observation, Jews (generally) are quite incompetent. That they kill their soldiers and civilians isn't surprising. This country survives on foreign aid and industrial espionage (what they call "entrepreneurship" 😂).
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 16 2023 14:59 utc | 47
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I don't buy that statement as the most religious Jews, the Orthodox, are pacifists and do not participate in the army.
Posted by: canuck | Dec 16 2023 14:24 utc | 23
Are you sure about that? I am under the impression that a core of bearded pigtailed religious Jews are essential to the 'legitimacy' of squattlements.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 16 2023 15:05 utc | 48
IDF dancing on graves
https://twitter.com/i/status/1735811983369187367
Posted by: ld | Dec 16 2023 15:06 utc | 49
It is also interesting for someone to say that victory is all that counts when the ostensible objective of the war is to liberate the hostages and, when they are, the IDF itself kills them. So how does the "victory" excuse the war crime even within those "realpolitik" (a misnomer) parameters?
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 16 2023 15:26 utc | 50
About the ruling religion in Israel. The only recognized form of Judaism are Orthodox, meaning, American Reform and Conservative are not recognized. However, even though there is official rabbinate in Israel, actually two, Ashkenazi and Sephardi, there are Orthodox group with their own rabbis who do not recognize the official religious authority, but are recognize as legit Jewish. And some of those are pacifist.
In the past I was confused, because between the wars, in Poland the main division among religious Jews was Hasidim and Orthodox, none of the two Zionist, but now Hasidim are included among Orthodox. Each Hasidim sect recognizes only their "head rabbi", tsadik, as the ultimate authority. The most prominent strain in Israel is Modern Jewish Orthodox which is very supremacist and militaristic, I think it controls Ashkenazi rabbinate.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 16 2023 15:27 utc | 51
Second Daily SITREP day 70
excerpt …..In a continued display of bravery and determination, the Palestinian resistance has persisted in their fight against the invading Israeli occupation forces in Gaza for the 70th day. The resistance fighters have dealt significant blows to the ranks of the occupation forces, resulting in numerous casualties and the destruction of military equipment.Over the past 72 hours, Al-Qassam Brigades stated that 36 soldiers were killed and dozens more were injured. Additionally, the resistance fighters successfully destroyed 72 military vehicles, either completely or partially. Abu Ubaida, the spokesman for Al-Qassam Brigades, conveyed that not only were the Israeli occupation soldiers killed and wounded, but the resistance fighters also seized their equipment and belongings.
This was a consequence of the incursive occupied forces targeting missiles, anti-fortification devices, and individuals, initiating close-range clashes, attacking their rescue teams, and facing sniping operations.
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2001694
Comment - two weeks ago the tone of these SITREPs was somber, then gradually they turned triumphant. Today’s SITREP is positively giddy with victory. TBD
Posted by: Exile | Dec 16 2023 15:28 utc | 52
colossal protest happening in Yemen right now
must see
https://twitter.com/i/status/1735779387667292658
https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1735763338502476001/photo/1
Posted by: ld | Dec 16 2023 15:32 utc | 53
I don't buy that statement as the most religious Jews, the Orthodox, are pacifists and do not participate in the army.
Posted by: canuck | Dec 16 2023 14:24 utc | 23
Are you sure about that? I am under the impression that a core of bearded pigtailed religious Jews are essential to the 'legitimacy' of squattlements.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 16 2023 15:05 utc | 48
I don't buy that statement as the most religious Jews, the Orthodox, are pacifists and do not participate in the army.
Posted by: canuck | Dec 16 2023 14:24 utc | 23
"As of now, the vast majority do not join the military. Last year, fewer than 10 percent of eligible Haredi men were drafted into the IDF, as opposed to more than 80% of non-Haredi Jewish men. (Arab Israelis also receive a blanket exemption from the draft.)Oct 31, 2023"
So it seems that a small fraction of the Orthodox do join the IDF
There is something seriously wrong with the Israelis. Almost as if they have made a pact with the other side!
Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 16 2023 15:35 utc | 55
My armchair conspiracy theory is that the IDF is "telling the truth" because some even in the IDF are getting fed up with Zargo-style apologists.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 16 2023 15:37 utc | 57
It's simultaneously comforting and alarming that Jews have as much trouble distinguishing Jews from Human Beings as I do.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 16 2023 14:39 utc | 34
That's a disgusting thing to say.
Posted by: Pemdas | Dec 16 2023 15:38 utc | 58
"The Zionist soldiers incredibly frightened and insane"
In my observations, luckily, only from reports, "frightened and insane" is a rather normal state on battlefields, battle anger balancing the instinct of self-preservation in an unstable equilibrium. Unfortunately, even the commanders who are not personally on battlefield are affected by war amok, and that extends to the politicians, historians and the population at large. Of course, this tendency varies enormously between individuals.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 16 2023 15:43 utc | 59
Jonathan W | Dec 16 2023 15:37 utc | 57
To quote the Saker, hope dies last. To think that any humanity might be awakening in the IDF towards the Israeli actions in Gaza is not understanding the brainwashing of Zionism, IMO. This will only end when Israel is forced to end it by external pressure or resounding defeat.
Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 16 2023 15:50 utc | 60
[email protected] are trained by Shin Bet if they were trained by IDF occupiers George Floyd and every man, woman, child, old or young on the street that day would be dead.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 16 2023 15:50 utc | 61
Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 16 2023 15:50 utc | 60
This brings us back to your initial point. The IDF does not care about killing Gazans but this time it went too far and killed fellow Jews.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 16 2023 15:52 utc | 62
Posted by: Pemdas | Dec 16 2023 15:38 utc | 58
Why? The comment makes perfect sense. The IDF mistook Israelis for Amlak, human animals. In other words, they themselves cannot tell Jews from non-Jews.
Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 16 2023 15:53 utc | 63
The helpless and growing frustration of the world's pro-Palestine civilian population is beginning to remind me of an incident in the 6-part BBC doco Black Box which tracks air crash investigators.
An airliner takes off from Washington DC in winter, fails to maintain altitude, bounces off a bridge, crashes through the ice on a river, and sinks. A dozen or so people manage to get out of the plane but are so disoriented and/or injured that they can't save themselves.
A huge crowd gathers on the bridge and river bank and Emergency Services are in attendance BUT, apart from one helicopter, nobody else is helping the people in the water.
As the narrator says "One bystander can no longer look on helplessly. He dives into the water to help a drowning woman into the helicopter harness."
That's what will happen with the Gaza Genocide. 'Someone' is going to say "Fuck this! Those people need my/our help!"
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 16 2023 16:01 utc | 65
Haredim, not Arabs or Iran, are the biggest threat to Israel - opinion
By DAN PERRY Published: JULY 5, 2021
…. As we know, the haredim cling to a rigid interpretation of Judaism which tolerates little deviation from ancient traditions. They can be found in the US, Belgium, Britain and elsewhere, always forming tight-knit communities, but only in Israel is there a toxic firewall between them and fellow citizens.This can be traced to the decision some 70 years ago by David Ben-Gurion to grant draft exemptions to students at yeshivot. Back then this applied to several hundred genuine scholars.
This arrangement turned Torah study into an arguably unprecedented obsession in which all haredi men are pushed to lifelong seminary duty, first to avoid the draft and then essentially as a source of welfare. Whereas other university students pay tuition, haredim receive stipends for as long as they study, if possible for life…..
Posted by: Exile | Dec 16 2023 16:03 utc | 66
To kill "anyone still alive" is clearly not about any hunt for Hamas. All Gazans shall die or flee Gaza -- that's the only coherent reading of West-sponsored terror.
“Sinai is a pressure-pot. Gaza is something that would make the entire Sinai peninsula blow up,” Mohannad Sabry, an expert on Sinai at King’s College London’s defence studies department, told MEE.
“But Israel is giving Palestinians two options, either you die under hellfire or flee to Egypt. The real question is what if the influx happens?
“Will Egypt fire on Palestinians? That’s a nightmare. But if Egypt allows any Palestinians to settle in Sinai, it would basically mean Cairo is green-lighting a second Nakba. Egypt has no good options.”
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 16 2023 16:06 utc | 67
More whistling in the dark by the Ziosplaining keyboard-warriors? "We won, we won, we won"... Kind of funny, but what else should and could be scripted by the best PR team of the world?
Okay, supposed the RoW confirms your delusions and buys some pieces of your superb Iron Dome (if there are still some patriots to arm the downgraded version which you sell to those who are not part of the chosen folk) and some software for crowdcontrol - will you stop killing or will you need some more confirmation and false adoration? What do you need to feel reassured? Some more dead children? Some more humiliation of defenseless doctors and nurses? Some light shows sponsored by bought and bribed western politicians? Another babbling of Genocide Joe? Or another PR show with Blinky?
What do you really need to feel safe again?
Posted by: Darkness | Dec 16 2023 16:08 utc | 68
I mean Israeli military telling the truth-what the fuck is going on?
Posted by: canuck | Dec 16 2023 13:34 utc | 1
They killed Israeli's. The people of Israel think those lives are real and warrant dignity, so they must tell the truth about how they are killed. But Palestinians are considered subhuman and worthless and can be slaughtered with impunity and justified by lies.
Posted by: bill wolfe | Dec 16 2023 13:39 utc | 3
If so why have they barred an investigation of Israeli deaths at the hands of the IDF executing either the Hannibal doctrine or just blind panic on October 7?
Posted by: canuck | Dec 16 2023 14:17 utc | 17
It goes like this:
The troopers out in the field want to stay alive, and with great frequency, come to think of their rifle as a security blanked. That produces the shoot first and ask questions later attitude. Rookies in combat, which is likely here, are apt to be unduly fearful and shoot people by accident. Veterans are apt to shoot people indiscriminately as a mater of personal policy.
The other side of it is that governments with great frequency give to some of their agents the ability to break the law, right up to killing people. This is commonly implemented informally. Technically the actions are illegal, but the perps never get prosecuted. That is why the IDF can implement the Hannibal doctrine. They never get prosecuted. We do the same thing with our special forces, and we go about killing people in foreign countries with our drones. Let a private citizen from the United States kill somebody in a foreign country, and it is not likely that the United States would do what it could to give them immunity from prosecution.
A government allowing some people to break the law is so routinely accepted that in fictional versions it is taken for granted. James Bond is one of the more famous versions of it. He has a "license to kill." That is consistent with British law? Not everything goes by enforced rules.
Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 16 2023 16:08 utc | 69
From my observation, Jews (generally) are quite incompetent. That they kill their soldiers and civilians isn't surprising. This country survives on foreign aid and industrial espionage (what they call "entrepreneurship" 😂).
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 16 2023 14:59 utc | 47
I am not going to generalize, but my personal experience has always been that they nitpick over the small things while the real money in the deal is taken by the other side (me), as you fight them over the petty stuff.
Nature? Genetics? Hubris? I don't know.
Posted by: kupkee | Dec 16 2023 16:13 utc | 70
So incredibly telling on so many levels. The IDF has revealed that it targets literally everyone that moves, even if unarmed and wearing civilian clothing (or no clothing at all). They revealed that in spite of their claims of droves of Hamas surrendering, none have surrendered because Israel would gun them down instantly. They've revealed their troops have no training or combat ability and frankly panic even at the sight of someone waiving a white flag. They've revealed they don't even have the message discipline to cover it up any more. And, of course, their online cheerleaders trying to blame Hamas for this, have again revealed how disastrously bad their propaganda operation is.
All of this matches what Palestinians and non-western observers have been saying the entire time, but to see all highlighted so starkly in a single moment is stunning.
Posted by: Bob | Dec 16 2023 16:17 utc | 71
Genetics?
Posted by: kupkee | Dec 16 2023 16:13 utc | 71
Certainly not. Scratch that family off the list of scientific speciation.
Posted by: snl2002 | Dec 16 2023 16:20 utc | 72
ZH has a posting up with the title that is the message
Israel Resuming Hostage Talks After Ugly Details Emerge Of 'Friendly Fire' Incident
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 16 2023 16:25 utc | 73
@ g-70
“In mainstream interpretations of the Ten Commandments, the prohibition against killing is considered a universal moral principle that applies to all people, not just a specific group like Jews.”
Yes, but not in the Talmudic interpretation. This is fact, not conjecture. Don’t take my word for it. Investigate it for yourself. It is actually quite an eye-opener.
On a separate note, I dislike the phrase “all Jews”, or all any-group for that matter. We have been given eyes and a brain to discern differences. Many Jews are horrified by what Israel is doing in Gaza, and the lies they have been sold under Zionism. These Jews are my brothers and sisters in peace.
Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 16 2023 16:26 utc | 74
What's next? Women counting for more than a camel or half a man?
Posted by: Antonym | Dec 16 2023 14:31 utc | 27
Black Madonna.
oh. wait....
Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 16 2023 16:26 utc | 75
It's, sickening, insane Israelis on a killing spree
Killing even their own people
I guess untill someone stops them they won't stop untill there is nobody left in Gaza
And the EU and the US still fully support the horrors
Posted by: 🌶️Mike | Dec 16 2023 16:28 utc | 76
“israeli soldiers are protecting their homeland...no need for antisemetic comments”
james | Dec 16 2023 16:25 utc | 74
Correction #1: they are brutally subduing an uprising in an occupied territory.
Correction #2: criticism of Israel or Zionism is not anti-Semitic. Calling Palestinians or Arabs human-animals is anti-Semitic.
Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 16 2023 16:31 utc | 77
We can criticize, we can condemn IDF, we can talk about civilian victims, but in the end what counts is only victory. In its ruthless way, IDF has won. By crime, by genocide, but it won the war.
Posted by: zorge | Dec 16 2023 14:47 utc | 40
Wrong tense, at about twenty thousands palestinians dead there is still two millions more to go.
Posted by: Satepestage | Dec 16 2023 16:32 utc | 78
You can see the connection between our US "Law Enforcement Officers".
Posted by: so | Dec 16 2023 16:36 utc | 79
there are Orthodox groups with their own rabbis who do not recognize the official religious authority
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 16 2023 15:27 utc | 51
This statement agrees with my observations of orthodox organizational hygiene in US America—the state of New York, in general representing "the official religious authority" of the US Constitution, and NYC, in particular representing the unofficial religious authorities of localized politics—representative democracy, if you prefer.
Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 16 2023 16:40 utc | 80
@ g-70
“In mainstream interpretations of the Ten Commandments, the prohibition against killing is considered a universal moral principle that applies to all people, not just a specific group like Jews.”
Pay any attention at all to how the Ten Commandments is applied, it is routinely not applied to warfare. People in war are killed, but it is not called murder. That is, except for those who are trying to impose a moral doctrine that is not common. It has ever been thus.
Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 16 2023 16:40 utc | 81
What's next? Women counting for more than a camel or half a man?
Posted by: Antonym | Dec 16 2023 14:31 utc | 27
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Still worth much less than a cow in your country, Mr. Hindutva.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 16 2023 16:45 utc | 82
is routinely not applied to warfare. People in war are killed, but it is not called murder.
Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 16 2023 16:40 utc | 83
True. Neither is "genocide" called "war".
After many decades of studying codified "state-sanctioned" violence my understanding is, such elliptical expressions are pervasive symptoms of dissociative personality disorder. A skill, not a genetic defect.
Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 16 2023 16:51 utc | 83
“Will Egypt fire on Palestinians? That’s a nightmare. But if Egypt allows any Palestinians to settle in Sinai, it would basically mean Cairo is green-lighting a second Nakba. Egypt has no good options.”
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 16 2023 16:06 utc | 67
The Egyptian people have no say in this matter.
The origins of the mil. dictator's family may provide a clue as to why the govt. is hindering survival of the besieged.
Posted by: steve 2 | Dec 16 2023 16:52 utc | 84
Israeli security services trained the guards at Abu Ghraib
Just following approved procedures
Posted by: Exile | Dec 16 2023 16:59 utc | 85
The Egyptian people have no say in this matter.
The origins of the mil. dictator's family
Posted by: steve 2 | Dec 16 2023 16:52 utc | 86
I suspect, you'd be doing a favor to everyone reading this thread, if you reviewed the last 15 years of political "stability" in Egypt and better yet the last 60, rather than relying on your imagination or Thierry Meyssan's.
Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 16 2023 17:00 utc | 86
“Will Egypt fire on Palestinians? That’s a nightmare. But if Egypt allows any Palestinians to settle in Sinai, it would basically mean Cairo is green-lighting a second Nakba. Egypt has no good options.”
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 16 2023 16:06 utc | 67
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Why would Sisi and his uniformed thugs be any kinder to Palestinians fleeing Israeli thuggery than they are to their own people?
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 16 2023 17:01 utc | 87
……I am not going to generalize, but my personal experience has always been that they nitpick over the small things while the real money in the deal is taken by the other side (me), as you fight them over the petty stuff.
Nature? Genetics? Hubris? I don't know.
Posted by: kupkee | Dec 16 2023 16:13 utc | 71……
Also when making an offer to them always inflate your price by 30-50% - let them chisel you down to a 20% markup. They think they got a deal. Works every time. ( I was in construction industry in NYC for a long time, so learned quickly )
Posted by: Exile | Dec 16 2023 17:01 utc | 88
are pervasive symptoms of dissociative personality disorder. A skill, not a genetic defect.
Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 16 2023 16:51 utc | 85
With considerable frequency a "disorder" is a behavior that the psychoanalytic community doesn't like. The older version was to treat anything they didn't like as a mental illness. Calling it a disorder a more refined method of asserting their opinion on social matters and claiming that it is science.
Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 16 2023 17:02 utc | 89
b - your title and last line sum it up clearly and directly.. clear madness and extreme ugliness on the part of israel... this country will be the death of the planet if they don't cease and desist.. what kind of sick ideology drives these fuckers??
Posted by: james | Dec 16 2023 17:03 utc | 90
Perhaps the three soldiers were summarily executed for the "crime" of having allowed themselves to be captured/desertion as a warning to other recruits that they must stand and fight?
Posted by: Wæsfjord | Dec 16 2023 17:03 utc | 91
Open Question: What are the functions of the "second estate" in your corner of the "secular" world?
Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 16 2023 17:05 utc | 92
@ Moses22 | Dec 16 2023 16:26 utc | 76
i agree with you, in particular your last sentence.. people need to be clear on all of that.. the zionist ideology is indeed the problem..
Posted by: james | Dec 16 2023 17:05 utc | 93
Haaretz assumed straight away that it was Hamas who killed them. Or maybe the IDF lied to them.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-15/ty-article/idf-rescues-three-bodies-of-hamas-slain-israeli-hostages-from-gaza-including-two-soldiers/0000018c-6cb4-de43-affd-fcb6e9450000
Two of those killed by the IDF were their own soldiers.
Posted by: Brendan | Dec 16 2023 17:07 utc | 95
@ g is for ghoul
Get well soon.
For others: I am looking for an article Ron Unz wrote where he conducted thorough research, crunched the numbers found, and thus provided the proof that jews have committed more mass murders than any other group in history. Read it last year, I think, but can't seem to find it now. Any help much appreciated.
Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Dec 16 2023 17:09 utc | 96
The problem Israel has is that they can't really get rid of Hamas without doing in the population. Meanwhile that has become so politically contentious that of they continue it could terminate their country owing to the accumulation of enemies, most of them Arabic. Viewed solely as a provocation, the Hamas raid has turned into a great success.
Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 16 2023 17:10 utc | 97
a "disorder" is a behavior that the psychoanalytic community doesn't like.
Posted by: Jmaas | Dec 16 2023 17:02 utc | 92
And yet I just quoted the APA Dictionary of Psychology. I also could quote WHO.int ICD, the current DSM, and the complete works of Sigmund Freud.
Thank you for proving the rule of dissociation.
Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 16 2023 17:14 utc | 98
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 16 2023 14:58 utc | 45
I strongly endorse zios eliminating zios
Those Israeli hostages were not soldiers.
This screw-up has inspired protests against the government that I hope will grow, and pick up the call for a ceasefire.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 16 2023 17:15 utc | 99
"Kill Anything That Moves" by Nick Turse is a good book about the Vietnam War.
Posted by: Lysias | Dec 16 2023 17:21 utc | 100
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Did the IDF PR people go out on strike?
I mean Israeli military telling the truth-what the fuck is going on?
Posted by: canuck | Dec 16 2023 13:34 utc | 1